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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you as always

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Speaker 1: so much fortuning in Let's give it up to the

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Speaker 1: one and only super producer, Mr Max Williams. First of

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Speaker 1: his name, and uh, look they called me Ben. No,

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Speaker 1: you and I are I would say we're big, big

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Speaker 1: fans of theatre and theatricality. Do you say? Do you

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Speaker 1: say thespian or thespian? You know, it depends on how

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Speaker 1: I feel about the person I'm describing. I'm gonna keep

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Speaker 1: it one hundred with you. If I like them, then

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Speaker 1: I really chew the scenery on that one, you know,

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Speaker 1: So they're like them? Yes, yeah, apologies to my college

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Speaker 1: actor friends if you just learned something about my opinion.

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Speaker 1: But but today, no, we're so excited. This is a

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Speaker 1: long one in the making. Man. You and I are

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Speaker 1: diving into a story concerning one of, if not the

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Speaker 1: most highly regarded English playwrights of all time. That's right,

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Speaker 1: Old Willie shakes himself. That's a street name. You might

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Speaker 1: know him as Shakespeare for Billium. But but we're not

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Speaker 1: doing it alone, dude, We're joined with We can say

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Speaker 1: this I checked off airman with an award winning actor, director,

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Speaker 1: and playwright, a friend of the show and the creator

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Speaker 1: of his own show, story Time. It's Mr will McFadden.

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Speaker 1: It is an honor and a pleasure to be here, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. William from one

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Speaker 1: William to another. How are you? I'm doing well. Also,

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Speaker 1: just a heads up, we had to change the name

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Speaker 1: to hashtag Storytime because Seth Rogan showed up and just

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Speaker 1: you know, elbowed us right out of there. So I

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Speaker 1: gotta you know, I mainly like Seth Rogan. I like

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Speaker 1: his uh, his openness about being high all the time,

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Speaker 1: but I was a little peeved about him, you know,

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Speaker 1: throwing his weight around. Yeah, man, read the room, you know,

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Speaker 1: just like see if there's another one out there before

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Speaker 1: you just you just gobble up that name. And then

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Speaker 1: he didn't even like he didn't even keep the show going.

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Speaker 1: I think he did, like it was like a COVID show.

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Speaker 1: And then like sort of things opened buck up again

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Speaker 1: and now he's like off, you know, making movies, and

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to cultivate beef between me and Seth Rogan

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Speaker 1: just as a marketing stunt. I got your back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because when I saw hashtag story Time, I just thought, Wow,

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Speaker 1: these guys are way better at marketing. Then I like

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Speaker 1: they put the thought into it. And uh, full disclosure,

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Speaker 1: I've been on story Time in the past, where has

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Speaker 1: given the opportunity to apologize to the good people of

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Speaker 1: Germany and uh to sing the praises a fifty cent

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Speaker 1: in Guatemala. And Noel, you've been on Storytime as well, right,

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Speaker 1: I have? I have. My episode was a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, and it was a story involving my hometown

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Speaker 1: of Augusta, Georgia and one of its native sons, Mr

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Speaker 1: James Brown. No relation, but I had got a cool

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Speaker 1: brush with with greatness when I was younger working in

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Speaker 1: a music store. And will you were kind enough to

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Speaker 1: let both me and Ben and some of our other

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Speaker 1: favorite colleagues. Lauren Vogelbaum Annie Reese has been on the show.

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Speaker 1: Who Am I missing? Mike John's literary maverick Extraordinaire of

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Speaker 1: Atlanta g a co founder of the Right Club literary

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Speaker 1: event which Ben has also participated. No challenge in the squad,

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Speaker 1: as Ben would say, so, really, thank you for for

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Speaker 1: giving us a voice. I've been telling this story for

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Speaker 1: years and never thought that I would have a chance

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Speaker 1: to kind of do like a defend a diversion of it,

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Speaker 1: which I am. That's what I'm calling the episode. It was,

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Speaker 1: It was. It was an honor having both of you,

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Speaker 1: and both of your stories are so entertaining and delightful.

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Speaker 1: And the people of Germany did not accept your apology benefit.

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Speaker 1: They called it severely adequate, which is not the same

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Speaker 1: thing as forgiveness. But we are We have asked you

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Speaker 1: on ridiculous history today, Will, because we vibe with each

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Speaker 1: other as you as you can tell ridiculous historians, we

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Speaker 1: wanted to hang out and we started talking with you,

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Speaker 1: Will and saying like, well, what are what are some

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Speaker 1: things that you are interested in historically? What are some

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Speaker 1: obscure things? What are some things that might be maybe

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Speaker 1: world of these stories? And you wasted no time, no hesitancy.

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Speaker 1: I loved it. You came right to us and you said,

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Speaker 1: you guys ever talked about Macbeth? Have that locked and loaded?

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Speaker 1: the Curse of McBeth. The Scottish play anybody, nobody, Okay,

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Speaker 1: It's like it's a very huge in England. You know,

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Speaker 1: lovely description. A naughty man killed another man and then

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Speaker 1: stuff happens exactly. That's all you really need to know.

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Speaker 1: the things that hath happened? Yes? Well, you know Macbeth's

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Speaker 1: all about ambition and also about destiny. Macbeth essentially wins

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Speaker 1: other tributes? Right? Uh do you guys hear I made

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Speaker 1: up a new word. It's plagiarism. I'm kidding. I didn't

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Speaker 1: The second was the king at this point just the

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Speaker 1: keeper of all intellectual property, Like you had to get

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Speaker 1: licensed or leave from the king to perform a play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm imagining, you know, like King's men going around being like, oh, yeah,

427
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Speaker 1: like this is an unlicensed Shakespeare show. You know nothing

428
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Speaker 1: to see it. I can see that. Yeah, this I

429
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. Guys, like the idea. Okay, you

430
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: can see someone appear to be stabbed in the torso

431
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: on stage, and it can look very believable. Right, so

432
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: even then you could say, hey, maybe that's a proper whatever.

433
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 1: But eyeballs are a lot harder to pull off realistically,

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Speaker 1: even in the modern days. So this was clearly a

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Speaker 1: fatal accident. And you know, I have to ask do

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00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: you think, and even if we're just speculating here, it's

437
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: a good question. Do you think this mccab series of

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Speaker 1: accidents and homicides would have made the play less popular

439
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: for the public or would it have been more compelling,

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00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: like would it have put more butts in seats? The

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Speaker 1: idea that it was dangerous m hm, so so it's

442
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: a big marketing scheme. I mean maybe they they cursed

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00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: the play themselves, you know, no, I have to say.

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00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean I have always found this to be one

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Speaker 1: of the more interesting and grabby Shakespeare plays. I like

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Speaker 1: witchy stuff. I think we all do. I like Murder,

447
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: most foul all that. I I think the Lady Macbeth

448
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: character is interesting. I like madness, you know. Um. I

449
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: think that's why it's sort of persevered, and it's also

450
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: been a apted. I think so many good bit more

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00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: for for screen than than in any other Shakespeare play

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00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: that I can think of, not to mention, like the

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00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: Very lab like the Sleep no more things, but running

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Speaker 1: from ages and various adaptations of it, because how you

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00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: portray the witches is always interesting. Like I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you guys have seen the uh the New um

457
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: Cohen uh Shakespeare. But the woman who plays the Witches,

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00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: Catherine Hunter, freaking fantastic, like contorting her body and literally

459
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: playing like all three and like are they in her head?

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00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: Are there three of them? You don't even know? Sometimes

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00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: they're just a reflection and it's just so cool. It's

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Speaker 1: very like bergman esque. The whole production of that film,

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00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I mean, it's so tight as Andronicus,

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00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: but it's laps. I love the love of the film adaptation.

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00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: I love the film adaptation of that by Julie Taymore.

466
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: It was, like, I think one of her only films.

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Speaker 1: She did a really kind of by my understanding, pretty

468
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: bad Beatles movie called Across the Universe. She's also famous

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Speaker 1: for like completely running that Spiderman musical into the ground,

470
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: turn Off the Dark. That was her uh And also

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Speaker 1: she's famous in a positive way for The Lion King.

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Speaker 1: She did all the production design for that. But Titus

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Speaker 1: is a really cool Shakespeare adaptation as where there's there's

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Speaker 1: something about Titus where it's like every on average, like

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Speaker 1: every seven lines, either a limb is hacked off or

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Speaker 1: somebody who dies the bloodiest of bloody plays see and

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00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: they say the guy doesn't have range. I'm kidding. People

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Speaker 1: don't say that about Yeah, I guess no. No. I

479
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: think that those are both interesting points because I think

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Speaker 1: maybe that's why Macbeth occupies this like a middle ground

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Speaker 1: between his like lighter work and more depressing work and

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00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: stuff like Ties is just too much because it's got

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Speaker 1: all of the chops of Titus. Literally, maybe not, it's

484
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Speaker 1: quite as many chops, but it's got like a lot

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00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: of the same drama and grotesqueness, but it's a little

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00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: more palatable. Yeah, I mean, I think shakespeare Titus was,

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Speaker 1: if I recall correct Lee, Shakespeare's first tragedy, tragedy historic

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00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: historians agree, yet like fifteen eighties something and like the

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Speaker 1: late fifteen eighties. So so by the time he gets

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00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: to make Beth, he's got he's he's learned a little

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00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: bit more more about the art of of subtlety, and

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00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, maybe maybe you can earn a death

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00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: or dismemberment as a slow Burton, right, right, maybe we

494
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Speaker 1: don't cook the children into a pie and feed it

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Speaker 1: to their mother. Sorry, it's okay. Yeah, I think I

496
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: think we've passed the statute of limitations from spoilers on

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00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, so people still keep making Make Beth,

498
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: and uh, I think we're going to get to an

499
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: interesting question about just how cursed it may be. But

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00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: to do that, we should probably walk through a few

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00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: more incidents. Because it wasn't always actors stabbing each other,

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00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: whether out of anger or whether out of acces it right, right,

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Speaker 1: There was one in three where a category to hurricane

504
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: struck England and caused a ton of damage, millions of

505
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: pounds worth of damage and killed seaman right as the

506
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Speaker 1: play was opening. So that was one from the gods

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00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: that is three thumbs, just to point out they got

508
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: to go collect those. Yeah. So, so natural forces are

509
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: conspiring against people saying the M word on and then

510
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: what what about when the play goes He's already gone

511
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: international in Europe, but what about when it crosses the pond?

512
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: Because we know that the US since its inception, also

513
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: loved Shakespeare. Pretty much everybody agreed this guy was thought

514
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: of is the best author in the language of all time.

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00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: He's the goat. That's right. Well, the famous Aster Place Rights,

516
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: which I feel like I could have its own episode

517
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: because we did it didn't. Yeah, so let's go back

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00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: to the Aster Place Riots episode and actually but that

519
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so that was two warring actors of the

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00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: great Edwin Forest and uh and then Charles McCready, which

521
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: I always think the other one is the British one

522
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: because Edwin Forest sounds like such a British name and

523
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: Charles McCready sounds like a real American name. But it's

524
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: the opposite, Mr McCready. What's that from? Mr mccrey, I

525
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: know what it is. I think it's Is it from

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00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Dark City? Is there a character named Mr McCready? I

527
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: think The Dark City such a good movie, such a

528
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: good movie. But please, Yeah, this one, uh, this one

529
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: really escalates quickly and then it gets unnecessarily violent, you know,

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Speaker 1: for like a riot springing from a public performance of

531
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: a freaking play. Yeah, it wasn't really so much about

532
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: the play and at the Astro place, right, it was

533
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: just they so happened to be both performing Macbeth. But

534
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: it was more about just like using this event as

535
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: an excuse to start a riot. I feel like, yeah,

536
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: and again that that episode walks through some of the

537
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: context there, But there is a real death toll. People

538
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: are dead, many more wounded, many more have some sort

539
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: of injury. It's it's not what you associate with a

540
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: night at the theater unless you will about the Curse

541
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: of Macbeth. Did you talk at all about the supposed

542
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: hissing that they were doing to each other back and forth? McCready,

543
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, there was definitely some real venom there.

544
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: They were going back. They were going to each other's productions,

545
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: and then when one of them would pause, the other

546
00:32:52,240 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: would be like, so great. But yeah, there was a

547
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: riot that ensued and and police were dispersed ended up

548
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: firing into a crowd and I believe around you know,

549
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: two dozen people or so, we're killed, insane and saying

550
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: and now we're getting to like modern history. Even so,

551
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: so it's weird when we talk about McCready and Forest

552
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: because they are not immortalized on film, right, so unless

553
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: you saw their performances in real time, you would be

554
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: reading reviews. So they maybe don't have the same stay

555
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: in power for a lot of people that actors do

556
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: once photography and once film go mainstream. And that's where

557
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: we see that the curse of Macbeth continues to actors

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00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: that you may know of today, folks, you may have

559
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: seen their work. I mean, I would say, Sir Lawrence

560
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: Olivier maybe the most famous Shakespearean actor of all time.

561
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: And and Olivier did a performance or production at the

562
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: Old vic In seven and he was preparing to play

563
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: Macbeth for the first time. And uh, the director and

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00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: I think the woman who was playing Lady mc duff

565
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: were in a car accident on the way to the theater.

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00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: Two days later, the dog belonging to the Old Vics

567
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: founder was run over by a car. So even dogs

568
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: aren't safe from this purse, even the theater pets. And

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00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: then Olivia was apparently so distraught by all of this

570
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: that he lost his voice and couldn't speak, and that

571
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: had that caused the opening to be postponed, and then uh,

572
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: three days after the show was opening, the director was replaced.

573
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: There was just just wrought with with horrible things. A

574
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: twenty five pounds stage weight apparently crashed down from the flies,

575
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: barely missing Sir Lawrence Olivier's head by inches. That's the stuff,

576
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: that's the stuff of theater chaos right there, you know.

577
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: And bags Willie Nilis Phantom of the Opera type stuff

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00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: right there, my friends. And then also uh, the woman

579
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: who was playing I believe Lady Macbeth died of a

580
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: heart attack just before dress rehearsal. And then the next

581
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: time the Old vic produced that show, the portrait of

582
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: of the the actress whose last name is Bayliss that

583
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: was hung in the theater. It fell from the wall

584
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: on opening night. Geez. And so in the in the

585
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: realm of the folklore we're exploring. Then the logic of

586
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: this curse would be that these disasters don't occur for

587
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: every production of the Scottish business. They occur when someone

588
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: anyone in the theater, whether actor, Crewe or civilian, says

589
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: Macbeth in the room, right in the building. It's apparently

590
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: it's okay to say it if you're performing the piece,

591
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: if you're doing that, because obviously you have to say

592
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: it a number of times, and if every time you

593
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: said it you had to go outside it spin around,

594
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: spit becaus and knock on the door and has for

595
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: permission really slowed down on the rehearsal process. But I

596
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: think the performance of the play in general is you're

597
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: you're undertaking your you know, your undergoing a cursed project,

598
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: a cursed script. So the accompanying superstition is, yeah, is

599
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: remnants from all of these productions throughout history that have

600
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: led to deaths and and accidents and horror. That's what

601
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, Like, it doesn't necessarily mean

602
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: it's only triggered by someone saying it out loud, And

603
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: I guess what what if? What if it's in the

604
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: in so it's it's in the course of doing the play,

605
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna say the name um. So it's basically the

606
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: whole implication is that the play itself is cursed, should

607
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: never be performed. In his name, should not be spoken

608
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: and in the hallowed halls of of the theater. Has

609
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: there ever been an adaptation where they just say the

610
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: M word every time they're gonna say Macbeth, like they

611
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: literally just say the M word. I would watch it.

612
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: We should do that one the first non curse production

613
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: of But when they get confusing is you got McDuff,

614
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: you got Lady Macbeth as well, So they have to

615
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: have different distinctions for each of those. Could just be

616
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: a different sound effects, you know McBeth is like and

617
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: like McDuff is like. That was too confusing. It should

618
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: be different, more different than that, maybe like a that's

619
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: too long? What we can workshop this? I like the idea, though, yeah,

620
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: I like if we didn't in word, I don't want

621
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: to overcomplicate this. But then for like, let's go with

622
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: your idea for for notable sound effects, you know, like

623
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: an ear is great, and then maybe I just want

624
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: to hear people say yeaws instead of a name or

625
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: a Wilhelm scream, you know, for Lady Macbeth. That could

626
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: be cool. Yeah, my my lord, one I would go

627
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: to that. I would go to that. And the question

628
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: would be, is would if they did it and did

629
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: it consistently, how long would it take for it to

630
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: not be funny anymore and for you just to be

631
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: like invested back in the drama of the play. I

632
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: can tell you from instantly or never, Yeah, I can

633
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: tell you from experience. It's a it's a two hour,

634
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: twentysomething minute production with a fifteen minute information intermission. So

635
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: maybe the best way to do it would be to

636
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: slowly beat me here, Max, slowly escalates until at the

637
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: end it's it's absurdest, you know what I mean. And

638
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: you're just noticing people by the way that they're dressed

639
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: in the sound effect like it's cacophonous, you know. I

640
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: would love that the sound design would need to evolve.

641
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: I am with you, like we will evolve with the

642
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: rising action of the play. I like this idea. Let's

643
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: do it the first ridiculous History theater production of Mick

644
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: w Yeah. Well, oh yeah, Max, that's you also have

645
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: to you also have to play one of the characters,

646
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: so clear, clear the schedule. You do this to me.

647
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: I love this spinoff idea of a ridiculous theater. Yea, yes,

648
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: well my stories out there in the in the theater.

649
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: And and the last last thing, there could be a

650
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: McDonald's tie in and one of the characters could just

651
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: be like there could be chicken. That could be you know, McCafe,

652
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: it could be Yeah, I see, guess we've talked about

653
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: this before, but like you know, we can finally explore,

654
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: like what happened to Ronald McDonald's. Yes, I've got the guy.

655
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: I did the research. I've got this one for next

656
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: a future episode. I want to try something that will

657
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: do you know what grimaces? Yeah, of course, like like

658
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: what what what species? Yeah? What is he? An anthropomorphic

659
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: version of oh um? I don't know how hippo came

660
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: to mind for some reason that I would have said.

661
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: I would have said yu vila perhaps, or um, you know,

662
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: some like a misshapen grape. But color. I thought he

663
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: was a sauce blob. There you go, because a nice

664
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: purple he's purple as hell. Max more mind, Yeah, he

665
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: is a taste bud. Get the sound cute and andish

666
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: just for you right now. It's gross. It's just gross.

667
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: They had so many other things they went past before

668
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: they got the sound. But I mean taste. But they

669
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 1: could have said, like so someone pitched tongue and someone

670
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: else said, nana, it's too much, too general, too sensual,

671
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: more specific. They probably called him taste buddy at first.

672
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: That's right there. What he's also huge, he's the biggest

673
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: of all of them. He's massive. Well, I think that

674
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: we are helping McDonald's here. We're presenting some clear business opportunities.

675
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: The M word is going to be a hit. Look

676
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: for it at a theater near you. But give us

677
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: some time, give us some time in the writer's room.

678
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, though, I gotta get to the

679
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: present day. I mean, there's some really good ones leading

680
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: up to a massive pop cultural phenomenon that happened not

681
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: three months ago. That's right, that was the reason why

682
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: I was on my mind. But just to fly through

683
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: some of the more recent ones. I love the one

684
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: about Charlton Heston who his his tights were soaked in

685
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: kerosene and his tights caught on fire during the performance,

686
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: and like he had burns all over his groins and legs,

687
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: which is tomorrow at tomorrow route what he has a

688
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: good point, oddcasting choice, like talk about a scenery each

689
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: youur and a very specific delivery, you know. And then

690
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: we also had Alec Baldwin in a production in who

691
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: he sliced open the hand of the actor playing McDuff

692
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: and shooting the face. I was gonna say, it's a

693
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: sad uh, you know, it's it's that we're seeing from

694
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: Alec babo. I don't mean to make light it is

695
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: a terrible thing, but it's like, yeah, I made a

696
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: joke about sailor thumbs. I mean, what's the statute of limitations?

697
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: There's also there's also uh, this is this was interesting.

698
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about modern celebrities because it

699
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: different philosophical, ideological reasons. But I was really interested that

700
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: you pointed out and some of the research will that

701
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: this came up during the what was the Academy Awards,

702
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: That's right. I I was watching the Oscars, which was

703
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: going fine and just a normal Oscars, and then you know,

704
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: something happened. And what I noticed was that Chris Rock

705
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: was on stage and he said, quote Denzel macbeth loved it,

706
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: and then right after he said that, I was like, oh,

707
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said that. You should have said that

708
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: you're in a theater, Chris, that's mad. Luck shouldn't have

709
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: said that. Went a little nuts too, while all the

710
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: Theato nerds took to Twitter and we're like oh. And

711
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: then moments later Will Smith was possessed by the ghost

712
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: of a witch and slapped Chris Rock in the face

713
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: m hm, unprecedented. And then later one one one quite

714
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: prestigious award. I don't know if you want to say

715
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: prestigious or prestigious. I just feel like prestigious sounds fancier, unnecessary,

716
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: Like it's like the it's like the thespian thespian question geeks,

717
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the mayonnaise. It's definitely dukes. Dukes,

718
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: English Royalty, gentry, Landed gentry are dukes. Yeah, if anybody

719
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: was like, would you like some dukes on your sandwich?

720
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 1: Or ham sandwich with some dukes? Like a spy, a spy,

721
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: I've found him, who are you working for? So there

722
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: was another one, and and I think it's I think

723
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: it's a neat book, and that this is the one

724
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: we're wrapping up with because as you, as you foreshadowed

725
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: just a second ago, Will, there is a reason, very specific,

726
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: recent reason that Macbeth was on your mind. So perhaps

727
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: we were incorrect when we thought this guy's just had

728
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: this locked and loaded for years. You know what brought

729
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: this story to the forefront of your mind when we

730
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: asked about cool stories from history. I mean it was

731
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: it was mainly the Chris Rock situation that it was

732
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: still rattling around in my head. But then also Daniel

733
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Craig is doing a production on Broadway, and I mean,

734
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: I feel like this is going to be more common

735
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: and not just productions of Macbeth. But they had to

736
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: cancel some preview performances because multiple people tested positive for

737
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, which is the new curse of of theater

738
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: and live events. Glad we had a golden little moment

739
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: where everything felt kind of normal again, and now it's

740
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: like everyone's again that all over again. We just fietfully.

741
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: It seems like the cases are mild, office party are

742
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: good bye office party because of because of COVID. It's

743
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: it's hitting everybody equally. Um obviously because of Macbeth, and

744
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: obviously because someone said Macbeth in the studio years ago.

745
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: I blamed Jonathan Strickland ak the quister, But we do

746
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: want to unless we do a disservice with the very

747
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: skeptical people in the crowd, we do have to point

748
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: out methodology here. There have been many many productions of

749
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: the Scottish business over the centuries, and you're not near

750
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: as likely to hear about the ones where things went

751
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: off without a hitch. Will and Nolan, Max and I

752
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: are well aware of this. But it's happened often enough

753
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: that people really do believe this superstition. They really do

754
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: believe that just maybe that that curse from like the

755
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: sixteen hundreds still around today. Right. I got one question, Ben,

756
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 1: the production that you were in, did anything wonky happen

757
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: or did anybody get hurt emotionally? Oh? Yeah, blood bath?

758
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: But uh that's a great question, Will, So we had

759
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: we did have a couple of people who dropped out.

760
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: We had one person who could no longer be in

761
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: the production because they got arrested, unrelated I think to

762
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: the play. But if for people who really believe in

763
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: this um, this curse or this superstition, then maybe that

764
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: would be something they could point to. I'll just tell

765
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: you it's uh, it's still. I have massive respect for

766
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: Shakespearean actors. I wouldn't consider myself one of those. Uh.

767
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: I have massive respect for anybody involved with with staging

768
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: a production of Shakespeare, because those things are intense, they

769
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: are long, and you really have to work to make

770
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: sure that it's it's relatable, you know what I mean. Yeah,

771
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: I I've never done a production of Macbeth. I would

772
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: love to, hopefully it goes well. I have been injured

773
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: once though, during a Shakespeare play. It was a Midsummer

774
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: Night's dream and I was stabbed in the throat, which

775
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: it was the back of my throat was punctured with

776
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: a fake flower that had a point like a metal

777
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: piece for twisties. For doing the twisties. Thanks, thanks, But

778
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: it was literally in the middle of the first fairy

779
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: Puck scene and I always put this flower in my mouth,

780
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: and for some reason, one of the buds had fallen off,

781
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: and the wire stabbed me and punctured the back of

782
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: my throat, and I had to continue doing the play,

783
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: and I had a mouthful of blood and I was

784
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: holy cow. A mouthful of blood is the name of

785
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: something that's a song punk band. It doesn't know. I

786
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: think it exists. It does exist. You're right, you're right.

787
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: It's like smiling through a mouthful of blood or laughing

788
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: with a mouth I can't remember it some god things.

789
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: But I have a theory, not a theory. It's just

790
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: a theory that refers back to the version of Macbeth

791
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: that I have the most fond memories of, which is

792
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: the sleep no More thing I talked about. There's no

793
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: dialogue in this version of McBeth at all. Uh, it's

794
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: just pantomimeed and like you know act, you know, dance

795
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: and stuff, and um, it's all you know the action.

796
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: You're aware of it from being familiar with the play.

797
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: But they don't speak, so no wonder. It has such

798
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: a long and illustrious run and they shut it down,

799
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: um for COVID, But it is back. The company is

800
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: called Punch Drunk. I think that does it, and they

801
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: use some other kind of immersive theater things, and I

802
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: just can't speak highly enough of it. If you're in

803
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: New York and it's a little pricey but absolutely worth

804
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: your time, it's like the coolest, most arts haunted house

805
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: that you'll ever set foot in. It's for four and

806
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: a half hour experience in the time just zips by.

807
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: It's well worth it. Yeah, I I have a I

808
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: have a question for you. Will This is just is

809
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: probably gonna be on the mind of a lot of

810
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: our fellow listeners today. Does the make Beth curse apply

811
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: specifically to the to the show Macbeth or is it

812
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: just for bolting to say the M word for any

813
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: product like have p will die during west Side Story

814
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: because someone with an ax to grind ran in it

815
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: was like and then ran back right. So I think

816
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: if yeah, if you get more granular with it, I'm

817
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: sure every fress been out there has some story to

818
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: share about somebody saying it in a theater and then

819
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: something going horribly awry. Um, so yeah, it's it's uh.

820
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: It does echo out and it reverberates out into any

821
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: production anything happening in a theater. If you are to

822
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: utter the name of that play, that character and not

823
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: cleanse yourself, you are opening yourselves up to the curse.

824
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: Or actors are just clumsy and uncoordinated. Yes, yes, And

825
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: which which remains the truest of the of the two possibilities?

826
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: We leave that to you. I think I don't know

827
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: about you guys, but I've gotta go run outside real quick.

828
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: It's been around three times. Curse loudly and spitted some

829
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: stuff just to make sure the weekend goes as planned.

830
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: In the meantime, what an amazing story, will And thank

831
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the show today. Could

832
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit more about where people

833
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: can find your work and uh, maybe a little bit

834
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: about what we meant when we said award winning play. Right, Yeah, Well,

835
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. It's been it's

836
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: been a pleasure. Um. But yeah, you can listen to

837
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: my podcast hashtag Storytime wherever you get your podcasts, and

838
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: definitely check out this season because, as we mentioned at

839
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: the top, Bends on it, Nol's on it, any Reese,

840
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: Lauren Foke, Obam, Mike John's a lot of great stories

841
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: on there. And then I, Yeah, I'm a huge theater

842
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: lover and I live in l A. And I'm I'm

843
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: always trying to involve myself in in different productions out here,

844
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: whether they want me or not. But I recently, uh

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Speaker 1: recently participated in a short play festival called the brisk Festival,

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Speaker 1: and uh I wrote and to a short play called

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Speaker 1: The Mating Ritual of Snails and it one the best

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Speaker 1: play and I won Best Director or something that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Is it just a bunch of snails just kind of

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Speaker 1: grinding against each other in slow motion like in Microcosmos?

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Speaker 1: More and more or less, it's two It's about two

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Speaker 1: snails meeting and going through their very interesting, unique mating process.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm referring to? The film Microcosmos

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Speaker 1: like a French nature documentary thing. It's the same people

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Speaker 1: that did Wing Migration, So it was like a very

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Speaker 1: early kind of high art kind of nature documentary. And

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Speaker 1: there's one sequence where it's just these two snails just

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Speaker 1: grinding their torsos against each other. It looks like a

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Speaker 1: thing that you can probably picture, uh, and the opera,

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Speaker 1: gorgeous opera aria playing in the background. And it's the

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Speaker 1: most hilarious and erotic thing that I've ever seen. And

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Speaker 1: it's a kids movie. You've probably seen the cover of it.

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Speaker 1: They didn't market it very well. Back when blockbushes a thing,

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Speaker 1: it's like a grasshopper wearing sunglasses on the cover and

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Speaker 1: it's called microcos So it's actually a artsy kind of

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Speaker 1: French um super what's the word. Yeah, micro kind of

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Speaker 1: like nature documentary about bugs and snails and things. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get into that this weekend. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: snails they do they make love for twelve hours? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's where Sting picked it up. I heard

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Speaker 1: Sting of the animal format but hilarious and ironic. I

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Speaker 1: had a few exes. You're described me that way? Uh

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Speaker 1: what better way? In thanks? Yeah? Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Do check out story Time, not just the episodes dull

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Speaker 1: and iron though, uh thill. We hope you enjoy those

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Speaker 1: as well. Of course, thanks as always to our own

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Speaker 1: kind of our our own. Kenneth brought up the one

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Speaker 1: and only Mr Max Williams. Max, Thanks for classic up

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Speaker 1: the show. Quick kiss to the sky from Max. Thanks

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Speaker 1: also to Alex Williams who composed this amazing soundtrack playing

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Speaker 1: this out NOL. Thank you to you. I once again,

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Speaker 1: I haven't said this on air, and I'm still trying

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Speaker 1: to convince you to take an improv class with me.

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Speaker 1: I think we would have so much. Oh dude. After

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Speaker 1: this next COVID wave, I was super down. It's something

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Speaker 1: that always terrified me in a previous life, but now

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, why not? You only live

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Speaker 1: once unless you flat through the eye during improv. That

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Speaker 1: could happen. Someone could point wildly, you know, and actually

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Speaker 1: go too far and just jam you right in the

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Speaker 1: eyeball or the throat. Lots of dangerous things can happen

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Speaker 1: in the theater. But you know what, it's all for

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Speaker 1: love of of the craft. He'll fly up for the

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Speaker 1: improv class. Hey, alright, let's do it. It's settled. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time, Foix. For more podcasts for my

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.