1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Murder in Illinois is a production of iHeartRadio. Kimberly Ellen 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Phillips had an undeniable and immediate impact on the young 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Chris Vaughn. Strikingly beautiful and two years older, she likely 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: seemed much more sophisticated and mature to the teenaged Vaughn, 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: who was just out of high school when they met. 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: Kimberly was raised in Saint Charles, Missouri, the daughter of Dell, 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: a lawyer, and Susan, a teacher. In high school, she 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed sports, especially volleyball. One of three daughters, Kimberly was 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: also an identical twin. It was that identical twin, Jennifer, 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: who would deliver a victim impact statement after Christopher was 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: convicted of killing his three children and Kimberly, which means 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: Vaughn would face a woman who shared the features of 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: the wife he was sentenced to life for having murdered. 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: He had a lot of friends before he met Kimberly. 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: Once he met Kimberly, she kind of got in between 16 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: him and any friends or oh was she called hard 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: sad cases that Chris just wanted to take home and 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: help him fix their problems. She would get rid of 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: them somehow, I am not sure how, but she would 20 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: make sure that Chris distanced himself between him and his friends. 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: According to his family, when Chris and Kimberly first started dating, 22 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: she consumed his world, his grades declined, and after she 23 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: became pregnant, he dropped out of college. But outwardly he 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: seemed happy, and as a couple they appeared happy, at 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: least initially. I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco and this is murder 26 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: in Illinois, Carrie. 27 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: And now do say good places a. 28 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: Fine? 29 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 4: Teach them to. 30 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: Listen to this. 31 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: Like many marriages and relationships, Christopher and Kimberly Vaughan's union 32 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: seemed relatively unremarkable, but people close to them, Chris's parents 33 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: in particular, could see that underneath outward appearances, there was 34 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: a complicated core, likely rooted in their very different upbringings. 35 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: Most of what we understand about Chris and Kimberly's relationship, 36 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: particularly in regards to kim and her family's behavior and 37 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: attitudes towards Chris, comes from his family, But we tried 38 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: to represent their relationship and marriage based on the information 39 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: we were able to obtain. Again, we reached out to 40 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: Kimberly's family multiple times, and to date they've declined to participate. 41 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: While those close to Chris were taken aback by the 42 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: way Chris entered his marriage, they weren't surprised by his 43 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: reaction to the situation. Here is his aunt Rose, Gail's 44 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: younger sister. 45 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 4: No, I was more shocked that. 46 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 5: He called me and told me that he. 47 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 4: Was going to have a baby. 48 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: Talking about Chris, especially as a father, remains very emotional 49 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: for Rose. 50 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 6: He actually called and tell me first, and I figured 51 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 6: he would do the right thing, and he did so. No, 52 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 6: I was not shocked about him getting married. 53 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: As we've mentioned, there had already been a number of 54 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: awkward interactions between the two families, most notably a few 55 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: not too successful dinners. But it was these early interactions 56 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: that started to give Gail and Pierre a glimpse into 57 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: what Kim's family was like, and in particular, how they 58 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: viewed Chris's family. Here's Gail. 59 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 6: Oh. 60 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 5: The first first time I felt really like something was 61 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 5: wrong with her family in liking us was when I 62 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 5: had invited them over for dinner just to get to 63 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 5: meet them, because we didn't really know these people. And 64 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 5: this was after the announcement that Chris and Kim were 65 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 5: going to be married, and I invited her mom and 66 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 5: dad over to our house and have dinner, and we 67 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 5: grilled some chicken, and she didn't really touch anything on 68 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 5: her plate, and she just didn't really talk to us. 69 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 5: And afterwards I thought it was a complete failure. I 70 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 5: had gone in to this dinner to try to figure 71 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 5: out her family period, you know, get to know somebody, 72 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 5: because these are going to be our family also. But 73 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 5: she made it quite clear that we were not going 74 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 5: to be her family. And they left and went home 75 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 5: and they didn't come back. We would offer them to 76 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 5: come over, you know, have dinner or just sit and talk, 77 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 5: and she said no. 78 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: Even at the wedding, there was little warmth between the 79 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: two families. Each side mostly kept themselves. Here again is 80 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: Gail's sister Rose. 81 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah. 82 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 7: Yeah. 83 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 6: Everybody tried to stay distant. Niceties was about all there was. 84 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 6: There wasn't any overly outgoingness. 85 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: It was very awkward, but by most accounts, it was 86 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: still a pleasant event, although Kimberly had relayed some unpleasant 87 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: issues regarding the planning. 88 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: Oh the wedding was beautiful. 89 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 5: Leading up to the wedding though for some reason, her 90 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 5: mom didn't like any if the choices, and it looked 91 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 5: like it was going to be more Kim's mom's wedding 92 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 5: than Kimberly's wedding. And I tried to go with Kimberly 93 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 5: to get her stuff that they wished me to get 94 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 5: form like the flowers, you know, and the day before 95 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 5: the wedding or hook soon before the wedding, her mom went. 96 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 4: To the florist and changed everything. 97 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 5: So it was quite a tug of war, and I 98 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 5: tried really hard not to make waves, but it was interesting. 99 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: Gail says that dysfunctional dynamic continued after the couple exchanged vows. 100 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 5: When we were doing the pictures after the wedding, Susan, 101 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 5: that's Kim's mom's name, got very upset with I'm not 102 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:04,119 Speaker 5: sure exactly what it was, but her mom, Susan's mom 103 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 5: kind of collered at her and told her to straighten 104 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 5: out and act right right there in church. And it was. 105 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 4: Interesting too. 106 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: Another memory from the wedding day stands out for the Bonds, 107 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: and it involves a comment that Susan Phillips apparently made 108 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: to Pierre's mother during the reception at the Phillips home. 109 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 5: Susan said something to my mother in law, which my 110 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 5: mother in law never told me what she said. But 111 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 5: my mother in law went home with us because that's 112 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 5: where she was staying for the wedding, and they left 113 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 5: with something that had been said between her and Susan. 114 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: That comment was apparently so offensive that Gail's mother in 115 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: law not only refused to repeat it, but insisted on 116 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: leaving the Phillips home immediately. 117 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 5: We did find out from her my mom in law, 118 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 5: that Susan had told her something or said something. 119 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 4: To her that just hurt her very badly. 120 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 5: She did not want to stay there, so we took 121 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 5: her home and we never found out what that was. 122 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: Pierre's mother chose to take that comment with her to 123 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: her grave. Still, the Vaughans contend they continuously tried to 124 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: forge a good relationship with Kim's family. 125 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 5: The Phillips invited us for dinner and they told us 126 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 5: to be there at six point thirty, and she says, oh, 127 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 5: take the whole family. Well, Kim told us, I didn't 128 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 5: talk to Susan, but Kim invited us over to her 129 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 5: mom's house in dad's house to have dinner. It's going 130 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 5: to be a Chinese restaurant type dinner, and we were 131 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 5: supposed to bring our other two sons, so it was 132 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 5: a family thing. So that dinner was again interesting. Chris 133 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 5: and kim tried to keep the conversation going and otherwise 134 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 5: it would just just fall Susan just it was either 135 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 5: her way or the highway. 136 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: And she asked us about, you know, hunting, and. 137 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 5: That's just the way our families have grown up through 138 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 5: the generations of going out and shooting a deer or 139 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 5: you know, a rabbit or a squirrel and bringing them 140 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 5: home and making them a dinner. She pointed out quite 141 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 5: a few times through this dinner that we were not educated, 142 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 5: so we really didn't have. 143 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: She didn't want to take our word for anything. 144 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 5: Because we did not have the paper pedigree that she 145 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 5: thought we were. 146 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 4: Supposed to have. 147 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: They're first born, Abigail, came soon after Chris and Kimberly 148 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: were married, and not long after, Kimberly was pregnant again 149 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 1: with a couple's second daughter, Cassandra. 150 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: Kim's Baum told her that if you were breastfeeding, you 151 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: can't get pregnant. Well, it doesn't exactly shin' true. 152 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: This is when Christopher decided to have a house built 153 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: and use this as an opportunity to make an effort 154 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: to keep the balance between the two families. He gave 155 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: a lot of consideration to the location. 156 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 2: Chris had done a lot of surveying and checking, and 157 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: they were exactly the same amount mileage wise between the 158 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: two family fans, So he was directly in the middle, 159 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: not even a quarter mile more or less, but exactly 160 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: so many miles between two families. 161 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: And then a few years after that, Kevin Chris had 162 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: their third child, a son, Blake. 163 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 4: So Sandy was. 164 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: Maybe fourteen months thirteen months younger than Abbey, and then 165 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: there was a little break there, and then about five 166 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: years later there was Blake. 167 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: Interesting, so it's almost like the same age difference between 168 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: your boys. 169 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's gonna hit me. When we had our little grandside, 170 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 8: I go, how this is amazing. You guys are following 171 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 8: in our footstep. Needless to say, her parents were not 172 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 8: happy about that, and. 173 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: With Chris and Kim living in their own house separate 174 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: from either of the families, Gallan Pierre were able to 175 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: spend a lot more time with their grandkids. 176 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 4: They were great. 177 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 5: Chris made sure we would get to see them, you know, 178 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 5: like every other weekend or something. They didn't just stop in. 179 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 5: We always seemed to have to make an appointment to 180 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 5: get to see them. But when we had them, it 181 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 5: was fantastic. Few were smart little kids. They didn't seem 182 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 5: to worry about mom and dad going out the door. 183 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 5: We just had a wonderful time. We took them to parks, 184 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 5: We played in our yard. I had a big house, 185 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 5: so we played, you know, hide and seek, and we 186 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 5: did crafty things for Maddi Grau. We painted masks of 187 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 5: paper plates and we just had a fantastic time. 188 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: Here they are in home video dying Easter eggs the 189 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: year before the tragedy. 190 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 9: Out No Young One. 191 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: Chris and Pierre are seated at opposite end of the table. 192 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: Abby and Cassandra on one side, while Blake caulls down 193 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: the other, stretching over the center of the table to 194 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: dip his egg as he negotiates for access to the colors. 195 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: All involved or smiling and engaged as usual. Gail is 196 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: behind the camera. Blake turns and waves to her with 197 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: a goofy grin. I asked Gail to share what she 198 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: remembers about each of the kids. Even with the pain 199 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: that accompanies her recollections, you hear her grandmotherly pride and love. 200 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 10: Well. 201 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 5: Abigail had her mom's complexion. She was a beautiful peaches 202 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 5: and cream type complexion with beautiful blue eyes, and she 203 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 5: had an intellect that was unbelievable. She acted a lot 204 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 5: like her mom, but she was more giving and loving. 205 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 5: I mean she hugged and stuff long. And then there 206 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 5: was Sandy. She has a little brunette with sparkly green eyes, 207 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,479 Speaker 5: and we used to call her a Sander the commander 208 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 5: because she would tell everybody, we're going to have a play, 209 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 5: and you're going to be Pluto, and you're going to 210 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 5: be the star, and you know, things like this. She 211 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 5: had a mind of her own, so she was our 212 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 5: little stubborn one. But she I mean, she would walk 213 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 5: out into a room and everybody would light up. She 214 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 5: just had a way about her. And then there was Blake. 215 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 5: Blake was only eight when he left, but she was 216 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 5: also a very smart little boy, very intelligent. She was 217 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 5: reading books three or four years above his grade level 218 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 5: and understanding them and he would retain knowledge. And he 219 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 5: was fantastic with baseball. I mean he could give you 220 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 5: the stats of any player on the Cardinals team, and 221 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 5: he was only eight. 222 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 4: It was remarkable. 223 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: For most accounts, Christopher loved his children and was an 224 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: excellent father. Gail shared many photos and home videos of 225 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: her son interacting with his children, like this one three 226 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: years before their deaths. Chris is seated as the kids 227 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: play the game Hangman with their grandparents outdoors. Cassandra is 228 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: running the game on a large drawing pad as Abbey 229 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: sits alongside. Blake pops up occasionally from his father's lap, 230 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: where he quickly returns to snuggle. Chris welcomes him each 231 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: time with a smile and a pat once the little 232 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: boy hops back onto his lap again. We want to 233 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: acknowledge that these memories are from Chris's own family, not Kimberly's, 234 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: but there is nothing to suggest Christopher would have been 235 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: capable of harming his children. Here's his aunt Rose. 236 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 6: He was always happy. I mean, he was always goofy. 237 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 6: The pictures that I. 238 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: Sent you The photos Rose is referencing covered the lifetime 239 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: relationship the two shared. While she's Gail's younger sister, there's 240 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: a fifteen year age gap between the two, which meant 241 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: Rose grew up closer in age to Christopher and more 242 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: like his cousin than aunt. The photographs she shared show 243 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: Chris through the years as a toddler, boy, teen, and 244 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: young father. They also reflect the Vaughn family's deep enthusiasm 245 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,479 Speaker 1: for outdoor sports, camping, and the wilderness on a multi generational, 246 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: extended family level. Throughout the range of time the photos represent, 247 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: Chris is more often than not wearing a broad, happy smile, 248 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: especially in the photos that show him as a father. 249 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 5: He's always got a goofy smile on. 250 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 6: He's always just the center of attention, having fun, just down. 251 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: To earth fun. 252 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: In one particular photo, he's standing on the beach hoisting 253 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: Abbey Inn, a bouncy infant up towards the camera with 254 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: one arm as he lifts the brim of her sunbonnet 255 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: back with his other hand, revealing the baby's beautiful gerber 256 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: like features. Kim Is standing in the background, arms of 257 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: Kimbo all three or smiling widely. 258 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 6: They were at our house in Winfield, and my husband 259 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 6: and I are like, well, let's go take them to 260 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 6: Lake Michigan. Let's see what the how the baby reacts 261 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 6: with the water. Because when I had mine. Whenever her 262 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 6: feet hit the water, she would jump up like a 263 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 6: little little jumping bean, And so everybody was on board 264 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 6: with it. So we went up to Lake Michigan, Kim 265 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 6: and Chris and Abby and my husband and I, and 266 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 6: that's exactly what she did. He tried to put her 267 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 6: little feet in the water, and she jok right back up, 268 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 6: and she would laugh and laugh and laugh. It was 269 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 6: just it was just a great day. It was warm, 270 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 6: it was beautiful. 271 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: Rose sent many other photos of Chris interaction acting with 272 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: his children, and they all reflect an engaged, doting father, just. 273 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 6: Love and warmth and amusement. He was highly amused by 274 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 6: the antics of his children, sometimes not remembering that he 275 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 6: was once like that and did the very same goofy thing. 276 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 6: He just he looked at them like these incredible little creatures, 277 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 6: just just wonderful. 278 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: Chris's youngest brother, Adam, also recalls his impression of Chris 279 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: as a father. 280 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 7: He was amazing. I still find myself applying some of 281 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 7: the things that I observed him doing with his kids, 282 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 7: I find myself attempting to do with mine. One of 283 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 7: the things that definitely stood out for me is just 284 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 7: how easily he could communicate to children. I mean, obviously, 285 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 7: I have four children on my own now, and I 286 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 7: am no strangers to the difficulties of parenting, so it 287 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 7: even puts it more into context on how he could 288 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 7: approach them on their level. He would actually make the 289 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 7: effort to physically neil or sit to where he was 290 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 7: high level with them and talk with them, and it 291 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 7: was just really amazing to see how how just that 292 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 7: change in altitude really changed the child's demeanor and allowed 293 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 7: them to be a little bit more communicative with them. 294 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: By the time he was twenty five, Christopher Vaughan was 295 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: a father of three. While Kimberly and Christopher seemed to 296 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: be adjusting well to the responsibilities of a growing family, 297 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: their relationship had become strained. Various insecurities plagued them and 298 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: started to take root, and the pressure from Kim's family 299 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: wasn't making it any easier. According to Gail and Pierre Vond, they. 300 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 11: Both had a problem with their education for insecurities. Yes, 301 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 11: I think Kim figured she would be better respected in. 302 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 12: Her own family, her side of the family if she 303 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 12: got this degree. 304 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 13: So many times we heard them make comments on things 305 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 13: and the family as a whole would not listen to 306 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 13: Kimberly because she didn't know what she was talking about, 307 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 13: because she didn't have the degrees to go with the conversation. 308 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: College degrees or lack thereof, obviously appears to have been 309 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: a huge sticking point with both families. 310 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: We were just tolerated because. 311 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 3: Because, like we said, they all had college degrees, and 312 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: according to them, if you had a college degree, you 313 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 3: were smarter than everybody else, and it didn't matter what 314 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 3: your degree was in or not. And you know, her mom, 315 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: her college degree was in language, so she taught German 316 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 3: in school. Her dad was a lawyer, but he was 317 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 3: a jag lawyer in the army or military, and then 318 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 3: when he came out, he was an ambulance chaser. You know, 319 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: if somebody pulled and broke the leg and you wanted 320 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 3: to sue somebody, he. 321 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: Was your guy. 322 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: Again, this is the Vaughn's perception, but it seems to 323 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: be one that's confirmed by multiple members and generations of 324 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: their family. Numerous instances in front of different members of 325 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: the Vaughn family that proceved negative judgment to the point 326 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: of insult, and it apparently extended to Kimberly. 327 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 5: According to what I understand. 328 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 3: When the family got together for a holiday or then 329 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: anything like that, they would exclude Kimberly from their conversations 330 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 3: because she wasn't smart enough, because she didn't have a college. 331 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: Degree, and from the Bond's perspective, Kim's and security wasn't 332 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: limited to her lack of a college education. They felt 333 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: the years of her mother's controlling influence had shaped Kim 334 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: into someone who apparently wanted attention, even at the expense 335 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: of her children. 336 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: She was almost jealous about their firstborn daughter, Abigail, because 337 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: Chris he was just so proud of her. He wanted 338 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: to take her in a stroller in the mall, and 339 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 2: Kim got really upset and she wouldn't let him do that. 340 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: Even though everybody saw the happy, bully, friendly side of Kimberly, 341 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 3: she was. 342 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: A lot like her mother. 343 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 3: More than anybody knows that there was a dark, mean side. 344 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: Even the kids called her a monster mommy. 345 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: Right when nobody else was around, that dark side would 346 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: come out. 347 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: The Bonds contend Kim's children were subject to a lot 348 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: of her outbursts, leading to the nickname. They would sometimes 349 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: use monster Mommy to describe her when she was angry. 350 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: I actually got to witness one of her Monster Mommy 351 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: episodes Christmas before this happened. It was crazy because. 352 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 5: It basically happened because Abigail decided she didn't want to. 353 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 4: Take a shower. 354 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: Kimberly said, yes, you mus take a shower. Well, she 355 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: is an upen age, Yeah, okay, mom's got to tell 356 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: their daughters what to do. 357 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 4: Okay, fine, But she took it to a. 358 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: Hair pulling, abusive, screaming, rustling type match with her. 359 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 4: Daughter, Abigail. 360 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 2: And this was happening upstairs in my house where the 361 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: kids were staying at that point, they were visiting. And 362 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: I went up the stairs. 363 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 5: And Sandy and Blake came and says, Monster Mommy doesn't 364 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 5: want to talk to anybody else. You've got to stay 365 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 5: away from her. Shall hurt you too? And they took 366 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 5: my hands and we went downstairs. I let the episode 367 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 5: happen upstairs, and I feel guilty about that now that 368 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 5: I didn't step in. 369 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: Stressed with the friction between the two families, Kim and 370 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: Chris's relationship started to struggle, but Chris was still on 371 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: the hunt for better and better jobs to take care 372 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: of his family and Eventually he found an opportunity in 373 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: Washington and used it to make things better. 374 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 5: Here's Gail Well it hit him John Chris's career. 375 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 13: Wherever he had the best job is where he went. 376 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 14: He had a job offer on the coast. 377 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 12: Up there, and he took it. 378 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 13: It made more money. 379 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 10: He could get a. 380 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 14: Bigger house and get Kim the vehicles she wanted, and 381 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 14: kids would be happy, and. 382 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 5: We'll taken care of And he went wherever the job 383 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 5: took him, he did. 384 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 3: But also so I think at the time they thought 385 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 3: that they got away from both of us, they have 386 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: a better chance of. 387 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 5: Keeping their marriage together. 388 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: He originally started out working for a big company as 389 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 3: a forensic computer guy, and then he started his own 390 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 3: company called stone Bridge, which was the name of the 391 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: streets they lived on. 392 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: When Chris got to Washington, he was doing computer and 393 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: tech work for multiple clients as a contractor for a 394 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: company that served other tech companies. Eventually he took his 395 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: skill set and branched out on his own, which leads 396 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: up to stone Bridge Consulting. Here again is private investigator 397 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: Bill Clutter, who's been involved with Chris's case since two 398 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: thousand and seven. 399 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 9: Chris head his own private tech agency and stone Bridge Investigations. 400 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 9: He was based in Bellevue, Washington, and he really developed 401 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 9: a special He had computer threns and he was remarkably 402 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 9: self taught. 403 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: Again, Clutter was on Vaughn's initial defense team and as 404 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: one of the people who knows Chris's story perhaps better 405 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: than anyone. 406 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, I recall in my conversations with Chris, you know 407 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 9: he was charging two hundred fifty dollars an hour as 408 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 9: a private investigator to do computer for instance, which is 409 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 9: subverting a fee. 410 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: In fact, Chris had catapulted himself into a six figure 411 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: salary well before he turned thirty. Pierre Vaughan slowly came 412 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: around to understanding that his son was forging his future 413 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: in a field that was the future. 414 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I agreed with him because I mean, I'm 415 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: not a tech person, but just what I saw in 416 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 3: the tech industry, it was just exploding with new things 417 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: in technology and things are fastly changing. The Phillips family 418 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 3: could did not understand why. 419 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 13: A kid without college could. 420 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 3: Advance this bath this far and make this kind of 421 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: money without a college degree, because they didn't understand computer industry, 422 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: and that's where Chris made his money. He went out, 423 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: and when he went to Washington, he worked for companies 424 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: like Boeing and Microsoft, and he worked for colleges that 425 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: needed computer forensics and security, and he was a top 426 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 3: guy in a field. 427 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: By the early two thousands, Chris seemed pretty happy and 428 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: his family was enjoying a more affluent life than they'd 429 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: had in Missouri. Chris's love of the wilderness was also 430 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: well served in that part of the country. Here's Bill Clutter. 431 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 9: Being in Washington, they had easy access to the outdoors 432 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 9: and nature, and that's really the environment that they seemed 433 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 9: to thrive. 434 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: And shared his adoration of all things outdoors with his 435 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: growing children. 436 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 3: Definitely, on the weekends when Chris had free time, he 437 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 3: would take kids hiking through the many parks they had 438 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 3: out the parks and forests they had, because out there 439 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 3: they had the great big redwoods or cedars or whatever 440 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: they are that are like, you know, ten foot a round, 441 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: humongus trees and stuff like that. 442 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: Chris's career also afforded Kimberly the opportunity to finally pursue 443 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: an online college degree. With Chris now working for himself, 444 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: the potential was there to expand his company and possibly 445 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: include her as part of the business when. 446 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: They moved to. 447 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: Washington State. 448 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: That's when she decided to join the Phoenix Educational program. 449 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: She wanted to get a degree in criminology so that 450 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: she could help Chris be a private investigator. 451 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: Chris earned an excellent working reputation in Washington and an 452 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: impressive array of clients and industry contacts. Soon recruiters were 453 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: reaching out with offers. Here's Bill Clutter again. 454 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 9: Through his networking in the state of Washington, he landed 455 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 9: an interview with a company called Navigant. The job was 456 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 9: stationed in Chicago, but it's a major company that provides 457 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 9: litigation support to the attorneys and law firms, and Chris 458 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 9: was given a job as a computer forensic specialist with 459 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 9: that company and resulted in the family moving from the 460 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 9: state of Washington to Oswego, Illinois, just outside of Chicago. Yeah. 461 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 9: I mean it was a job that was paying almost 462 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 9: two hundred thousand a year, incredible salary and an opportunity. 463 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: For Chris, plus bonuses I believe. 464 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah. 465 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: At the time of the murders, Chris was probably at 466 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 1: the height of his professional career. 467 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 9: Oh, he was totally at the height of his professional career, 468 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 9: in fact, that the company had agreed to invest in 469 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 9: a forensic slab that Chris would run. 470 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: Chris's parents were also elated to have him so much 471 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: closer to them in Missouri. 472 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 12: I was super. 473 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 11: Happy because they would be within driving distance to visit. 474 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: I was so excited, and they visited early on after 475 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: the move, when Chris and Kim were still living in 476 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: an apartment while their house was being built. 477 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 13: It was all Kim. 478 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 14: Kim was telling us how she was going to get 479 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 14: the house built and how she wanted it to look. Eventually, 480 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 14: it did turn out that way, but it was very, 481 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 14: very expensive. 482 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: And it wasn't what Chris had hoped for. 483 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 12: Actually, Chris wanted to do look for a farmhouse that 484 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 12: he could re work, rebuild or upgrade with a little 485 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 12: bit of property on it, and they ended up not 486 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 12: doing it and going with a. 487 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 13: Builder in a subdivision. 488 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: Kim wanted a big, fancy house with you know, shaw 489 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 3: off to all the neighbors and the Sina thing money 490 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 3: and status and so on and so forth. 491 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: And the happiness Chris had found in Washington with his 492 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: old business, despite his current success, started to fade. He 493 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: was no longer working for himself, and he no longer 494 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: had an easy commute or access to the outdoors and 495 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: wilderness that Washington had offered when. 496 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 3: He was in the house. He actually had to get 497 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 3: up the morning, drive to the train, and be on 498 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,239 Speaker 3: the train by a certain time early because otherwise, if 499 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: he tried to get on it later it was full 500 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 3: and he could he wouldn't make the work on time. 501 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 3: So he got up early, got to the train, took 502 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 3: the train in, went to work, and got off work 503 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: and come back, got in the jeep and kind of 504 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: home and then had to make Sucker herself. The only 505 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: interaction Chris really had was is that Blake was in 506 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: Scouts and Chris would take him the Scouts because Kimberly 507 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 3: didn't want anything to do with with the Scouts part 508 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: of it. 509 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: In fairness, Kimberly did serve at certain times as a 510 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: Brownian Girl Scout leader for her daughters. But to his family, 511 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: Chris seemed more isolated as his time in Illinois continued. 512 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: They perceived his happiness to be fading as his dissatisfaction increased, 513 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: and they worried about his marriage. 514 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: Here's Gail Vaughan, we known as Chris turning more into 515 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: a loaner. He would be in the family, but he 516 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: wouldn't really laugh and be as happy, and we just 517 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: figured it was marital problems or you know, something at work. 518 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: Just for this all happened just before we went on 519 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: our jeep outing in April. He was here with his 520 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 2: brother and his dad and he just sat at the 521 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: back of the boat and smoked his pipe. He loved 522 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: being outside, but he was always in thought. 523 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: It was sad and Pierre believes there was a troubling 524 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: reason why marriage troubles would have weighed heavily on Chris. 525 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 3: Chris was threatened by Kimberly's parents because he was a lawyer. 526 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 3: He said, if you ever mistreat my daughter, or if 527 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 3: you ever divorced my daughter or anything like that, you'll 528 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: regret it for the rest of your life because there's 529 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 3: so many laws. 530 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 2: That we can go after you. 531 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 3: For that, you'd have to work ten jobs just to 532 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 3: pay for it. 533 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: Again, we cannot confirm this threat was made, but the 534 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: couple did begin to lead separate lives under the same roof. 535 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: Chris would often have to try for his job with Navigant. 536 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: It wouldn't come out until after the murders but at 537 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: some point Vonn went to Mexico and wound up spending 538 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: the night with some women he'd met there, and he'd 539 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: also begun to frequent strip clubs, but not for the 540 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: reasons you might think. Here's his mother, Gail. 541 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: I wasn't as surprised about the strip club thing as 542 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: I was when he had gone to Mexico and found 543 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 2: comfort there. 544 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 3: The strip club thing was kind of a last stitch 545 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: effort or something. But what amazed to me is when 546 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 3: it came out in the trial is that when they 547 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 3: had the Gail from the strip club there, she just 548 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 3: said all. 549 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 4: He did was talk. 550 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 3: They did not have any kind of relationship or did 551 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 3: not have any interaction with them other than. 552 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: Just sit and talk for hours. 553 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 4: They would just sit and talk. 554 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: Chris's visits to Mexico and later the strip clubs would 555 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: wind up weighing heavily against him at his trial, but 556 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 1: we'll come back to that. And then came the day 557 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: that would change everything. Chris and Kimberly's anniversary was coming up, 558 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 1: and perhaps as a final desperate attempt to help salvage 559 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: their marriage, he made plans to visit Missouri. 560 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 5: On Sunday, June second, Chris left me a message on 561 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 5: our answering machine. He had planned to surprise Kim with 562 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 5: an anniversary trip to Herman. He wanted to go to 563 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 5: the bed and breakfast that they had originally went to 564 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 5: for their honeymoon. He planned to drop the children off 565 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 5: with us late Friday night, June fifteenth, and I'm not 566 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 5: sure if Chris and Kim would stay the night at 567 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 5: our house and continue on the next day, but we 568 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 5: never found out. 569 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: They were planning multiple visits, both the weekend getaway Chris 570 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: was planning to surprise him with for their anniversary, and 571 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: also a trip around July fourth for the kids to 572 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: stay with their grandparents. 573 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 5: June fourth, Pierre left a message on Chris's cell phone 574 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 5: to call back regarding the sixteenth and seventeenth of June. 575 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 5: June's fifth, Chris called me back. I suggested an alternative 576 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 5: plan to them driving all the way up. I had 577 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 5: said I would drive up Friday afternoon the fifteenth along 578 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 5: with my sister Nancy, and watched the kids at their 579 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 5: home instead of them coming to our house. 580 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: But Chris told Gail he'd get back to her on 581 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: that idea. Somewhere in the middle of their planning. About 582 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: a week before the trip, Gail got an unusual, out 583 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: of character call from Kem. Kim had emailed Gail about 584 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: the July trip and Gail had not yet responded, and 585 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: Kim was triggered. 586 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 15: On the sixth, jimberly called and she just started out 587 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 15: very loud, and she hollered at me for not answering 588 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 15: her e mail on the week we would have the kids. 589 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 4: She didn't introduce herself. 590 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 2: She just started loudly speaking, hollering. 591 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 4: Over the phone. 592 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 5: After I picked up the phone and said hello, I 593 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 5: had call her ID, so I knew it was Kim, 594 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 5: So I just kind of like held the phone away 595 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 5: from my ear as she vented. After about I stay 596 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 5: a good two or three minutes, her voice pitch went 597 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 5: down and we continued talking, and she calmed down the 598 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 5: entire conversation, and the conversation ended nicely. 599 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 4: So I'm not sure. 600 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 5: Why she was all ramped up when she began the call, 601 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 5: but by the end of the call it was a 602 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 5: fine She was just normally talking on the phone to Gail. 603 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: This sort of mood swing phone call seemed unusual for Kim. 604 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: There had been other Monster Mommy episodes, but this one 605 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: was something different that was. 606 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 4: Way out of character. 607 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 5: Usually Kim would call and say, hey, this is Kimberly, 608 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 5: and I would say, well, hello, there is Kimberly, you know, 609 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 5: and we would start a conversation. 610 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 4: But this one, you know, I picked up the phone 611 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 4: and she just started. 612 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 5: I mean, there was a screaming lady on the other 613 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 5: side of that phone. 614 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,959 Speaker 1: Chris would reach out in an attempt to smooth things 615 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: over as he worked with the kids to keep the 616 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: anniversary trip a surprise for Kim. 617 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 5: So on June seventh, I think Chris called and he 618 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 5: said the idea of I Nancy coming up to watch 619 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 5: the children as a go because he said there was 620 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 5: going to be a parade, and Blake was supposed to 621 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 5: be in the parade with his Scout group of Scouts, 622 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 5: and I think Abby was going to be in there 623 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 5: with her soccer team, and all the kids had something 624 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 5: to do, and they really didn't want to come up 625 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 5: to our house. They wanted to stay at their house 626 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 5: so they could go on this parade, you know. So 627 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 5: he says, yeah, that sounds good. He wanted us to 628 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 5: be there Friday around two two thirty ish, so that 629 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 5: he and Kim could leave soon after making it to Herman, 630 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 5: Missouri round between ten and eleven that night. 631 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: We were able to track down the proprietor of the 632 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: Missouri Bed and Breakfast. Chris claimed he called for reservations 633 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: for June sixteenth and seventeenth of two thousand and seven 634 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: to celebrate the couple's wedding anniversary, while she's asked that 635 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: we do not use her name. Fourteen years later, she 636 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: confirms the booking and what Chris said on that call? 637 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 10: Did I have a room? And I said yeah? And 638 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 10: he said, well, we stayed with you before in our anniversary. 639 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 10: We wanted to stay again. I said, oh, that'd be wonderful. 640 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 10: So I just took down the information and that was 641 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 10: the end of it. 642 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: Do you remember anything in particular about the conversation. 643 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 10: I didn't notice anything every ordinary, so he seemed pleasant. 644 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: Do you remember your thoughts when you realized that it 645 00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: was the same Chris. 646 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 10: Vaughan, Oh, thank guy, me can show up and shoot 647 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 10: her here. 648 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: The day before Gail was supposed to make that drive 649 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: up to see the kids with her sister, she got 650 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: an unexpected phone call. 651 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 5: On Thursday, June fourteenth. Yeah, at eleven o five, I 652 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 5: was contacted by a reporter from the Chicago Sun Times. 653 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 5: She introduced herself and asked me if I was Christopher's mother. 654 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 5: She continued to ask questions that she was doing a 655 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 5: write upon them. I asked her where this information was 656 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 5: to be used. That's when she told me of the 657 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 5: terrible accident that had happened that morning. Then she told 658 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 5: me that there were four dead and one was taken 659 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 5: to the hospital with non life threatening wounds. At this 660 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 5: point I told her I needed to talk to my 661 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 5: family and I hung up from her. 662 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 1: After this day, this moment, Chris's life and the lives 663 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: of his and Kim's family were forever changed. Chris was injured, 664 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: his three children were dead, His wife, Kimberly was dead, 665 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: all four from gunshot wounds. What happened that day fourteen 666 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: years ago remains an unfathomable mystery to many, including it 667 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: would seem the man serving life for having been convicted 668 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: of taking four I started communicating with a lone survivor, 669 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: Christopher Vaughan, more than a year ago. Here's an excerpt 670 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: from the very first letter, one of many I've received 671 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: from Christopher Vaughn, a man now identified by a five 672 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: digit prisoner number quote. I must let you know I 673 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: am as hopelessly confused now as I was then, if 674 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: not more so. Having spent a considerable amount of time 675 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: over the years in speculation, cannot say if I am 676 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: closer to the truth or further from it. Un But 677 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: like many things you'll soon learn when it comes to 678 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: the Vaughn family murders, nothing is as it seems. On 679 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: the next murder in Illinois, the unthinkable becomes reality. 680 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 7: The one that most vividly earned its image into my 681 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 7: memory was an aerial shot. 682 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 9: He could see. 683 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 7: Kimberly's form lying over in the front seat. 684 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 5: My sister came up from downstairs, but she says, what 685 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 5: are you doing? 686 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 13: On the fly is my family has been healed. 687 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: And Christopher Vaughan goes from grieving father to suspect where. 688 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 3: I met by recorders, Ray wanted to know why Chris 689 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 3: killed his family. 690 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: Murder in Illinois is a production of iHeartRadio. 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