Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt them. I would never hurt someone,
Speaker 1: a woman, a stranger, someone's dad. I try to help people.
Speaker 1: I do help people, don't I. I drive my brothers
Speaker 1: to emergency rooms and smile at nurses and I say please,
Speaker 1: I give hugs and I say I Love you to everyone.
Speaker 1: I am petite and proper and I have tact I
Speaker 1: don't say bitch or hunt. I write poetry and thank
Speaker 1: you cards. I remember birthdays and I take my mom
Speaker 1: out to eat at Stone Woods. What type of person
Speaker 1: could do this? I'm still asking myself in silence to
Speaker 1: this day. I am still trying to figure out this person,
Speaker 1: another side of me. She lives there still. Welcome to
Speaker 1: The Doctor Gang, a production of I Heart Radio and
Speaker 1: Katie Studios episode ten Time and Pressure. I'm Courtney Armstrong,
Speaker 1: a crime producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Lidecker. We've
Speaker 1: been working with producer Beth Greenwald on The Docherty Gang
Speaker 1: for months now. These three siblings have agreed to tell
Speaker 1: their story for the very first time, each from separate prisons.
Speaker 1: Lee Grace Docherty is at the Federal Correction Institute Aliceville
Speaker 1: in Alabama. Ryan Docherty is in the U S Penitentiary
Speaker 1: Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty is currently at the
Speaker 1: United States Prison of Atlanta in Georgia. Prison people are
Speaker 1: so quick to judge other people when they commit crimes.
Speaker 1: They don't know the reason behind why you're committeing that crime,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a big problem in the justice system.
Speaker 1: If there's a certain reason why you are doing something,
Speaker 1: then that needs to be taken into account and the
Speaker 1: effects of a crime of why you actually did that.
Speaker 1: Three of the FBI's US wanted criminals that the Dougherty
Speaker 1: siblings were not behind bars in Colorado after an eight
Speaker 1: day crime spree beginning in Florida that ended with a
Speaker 1: second police shootout. They were about to face the judge.
Speaker 1: On October thirty one, two thousand eleven, twenty year old
Speaker 1: League Race pled not guilty to charges stemming from a
Speaker 1: high speed chase in Waltzenburg, Colorado. Here'sly Grace's attorney, Patrick
Speaker 1: mccarbyl It looked like we were going to go to
Speaker 1: trial in the trial date was set to commence February.
Speaker 1: My sense was our judge, Judge A Pell, was really
Speaker 1: pressuring council in the District Attorney's office to settle these cases.
Speaker 1: You know, my senili He didn't want the circuits that
Speaker 1: would come with a trial with so much media attention.
Speaker 1: One trooper spoke out on the local news about Dylan's
Speaker 1: capture and some of his facts that were wrong. The
Speaker 1: third brother, who was still at the car trying to
Speaker 1: get into his trunk, who who I focused on the first.
Speaker 1: We think he was trying to get to the possibly
Speaker 1: even get to the A K forty seven that was
Speaker 1: in the trunk. We gave him a lot of commands.
Speaker 1: He eventually, I think when he saw all of us,
Speaker 1: gave up and lay down on the ground. I covered
Speaker 1: him while of Astonbury PD officer handcuffed him in searching,
Speaker 1: and then I went and joined the other troopers to
Speaker 1: search for the Brotherhood advent. Here again is Lee Grace's attorney,
Speaker 1: Patrick MCCARBYLL. There were a lot of press conferences and
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about the case, and of course
Speaker 1: the first thing I did is Lead Grace's attorney was
Speaker 1: asked for a gag order so that nobody could talk
Speaker 1: about this case and that we could keep information about
Speaker 1: the case out of the media, so that I could
Speaker 1: preserve a fair jury pool in the event that we
Speaker 1: would go to a jury trial, and of course that
Speaker 1: didn't last very long. There many of the officers in
Speaker 1: state patrolmen involved perceived awards, gave speeches. I asked our
Speaker 1: judge to hold them and contend, and and it was denied.
Speaker 1: Producer Beth Greenwald spoke with Ryan. There was metal of
Speaker 1: valor handed out to the Colorado Police and also the
Speaker 1: citizens who chased after you. The Colorado police, some of
Speaker 1: them were like some whole dirty gass cops. The statements
Speaker 1: that you make in the placement that you're at where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, we've seen for sure, you know
Speaker 1: the sister in the back and she was actuating the
Speaker 1: trigger of the gun. It's like, really, you saw somebody
Speaker 1: in a vehicle moving a hundred forty miles an hour
Speaker 1: actuating a trigger mechanism from a hundred meters plus, and
Speaker 1: then you were dumb enough with all your training that
Speaker 1: you received to park your car. It's station yourself in
Speaker 1: a crossfire situation because you're saying, well, we're worried for
Speaker 1: our lives that they're gonna shoot us, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to shoot back. Right, but you're gonna be dumb
Speaker 1: enough to station yourself at a direct crossfire where if
Speaker 1: you missed me a vehicle moving on a a hundred forty
Speaker 1: and you're like a hundred meters or fifty away from
Speaker 1: the road, you're gonna shoot your fucking fellow officer. Well,
Speaker 1: Ryan was discussing what he saw as bad policing. Some officers,
Speaker 1: like former Trooper Mark Bunetto, were recognized for their valor
Speaker 1: here he is. It's a great honor, right, It's not
Speaker 1: something that they just hand out, you know. There's very
Speaker 1: few recipients of it, and during the the whole history
Speaker 1: of the patrol, you know, so it was kind of
Speaker 1: it's kind of a big deal, you know. I had
Speaker 1: a big ceremony and everybody, you know, and the chief
Speaker 1: hands them out, you know, and yeah, so it was
Speaker 1: kind of cool. I got I got quite a few.
Speaker 1: I got that award and was also given the hundred
Speaker 1: Club of Denver. I got an award from them. I
Speaker 1: don't know why it was. I guess because I was
Speaker 1: the lead car or in the pursuit. Authorities seemed relieved
Speaker 1: to have finally apprehended the Doughertys, and there was no
Speaker 1: hesitation to put them on public display, especially in front
Speaker 1: of the media. Dylan's attorney, Kobe Becker, spoke with Beth.
Speaker 1: I believe it was in Colorado, um where at some
Speaker 1: point they were escorted out of a building and they
Speaker 1: were you know, I think this might have been it
Speaker 1: was either Dylan and Lee Grace or Ryan and Lee Grace,
Speaker 1: but they're you know, shackled together, and they were kind
Speaker 1: of let out a side door in front of the
Speaker 1: media by a guy holding a machine gun. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had a huge fight about that that it's parading because
Speaker 1: in WALLI Senburg, I think it's the same way now
Speaker 1: that the courthouse is closer, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're doing, but the courthouse was across the street from
Speaker 1: the jail and there was no real way to get
Speaker 1: inmates in secretly, like most jails have the tunnels that
Speaker 1: lead to the courthouse or whatever, but they didn't have
Speaker 1: a system like that, and so everyone was pissed. They
Speaker 1: fired at police officers, and Willsonburg fired at police officers
Speaker 1: from Fubblo fired at police officers, you know, FBI officers.
Speaker 1: So it was all just for show and Wall Senburg
Speaker 1: because they're so small. I wanted to be on the map.
Speaker 1: Here's Dylan. I think we just kind of got used
Speaker 1: to that. That was the whole dog and Tony Joe,
Speaker 1: if you'll if you can call it that, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they they, I will say the Sheriff's apartment in Colorado
Speaker 1: was very professional. They were always polite. I think they
Speaker 1: were you know, obviously did they said, sheriff didn't wake
Speaker 1: up and be like, oh, maybe the back of you know,
Speaker 1: crash here on my front doorstep tomorrow. Of course Saily,
Speaker 1: we did. And I think he didn't dealt with it
Speaker 1: the best way that he could, and I think he
Speaker 1: did a good job of that was, like I said,
Speaker 1: was always respectful to me. It was always you know,
Speaker 1: Curtis obviously couldn't let me go. Here again is Lee
Speaker 1: Grace's attorney, Patrick McCarville. This is perhaps one of the
Speaker 1: smallest county jails in the state. There's three pods. Two
Speaker 1: pods hold males, one holds females. The control center just
Speaker 1: announces to an inmate you have an attorney visit, and
Speaker 1: they remotely unlocked the doors and so Lee grades would
Speaker 1: walk go through several secure doors before she gets to
Speaker 1: what is called the judicial room to room about twelve
Speaker 1: feet by twelve feet with a desk and two chairs.
Speaker 1: And she's not shackled, nor is any of the inmates
Speaker 1: when they meet with attorneys, and at the time she
Speaker 1: was still recovering from the gunshot in her leg. Well,
Speaker 1: the attorneys figured out how to proceed with their cases.
Speaker 1: Dylan had another idea here again as Dylan's attorney Kobe Becker,
Speaker 1: and let me ask you this. I know when he
Speaker 1: was being held in Colorado, I mean there wasn't an
Speaker 1: incident where he and was planning on trying to break out.
Speaker 1: This was before he was arraigned, I believe, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is he's been captured. He's in jail. I think
Speaker 1: that at this point Lee Grace was in the same
Speaker 1: jailman in the female prison. Yeah, they were big held
Speaker 1: in Bubble County for a bit when this happened. Were
Speaker 1: you his representation? I was not. No. And when you
Speaker 1: heard about that, what did you think? I think it's
Speaker 1: the same thing, right, I mean they have been on
Speaker 1: this running away, getaway kind of thing, and so it
Speaker 1: was sort of hard for the course. And then after
Speaker 1: meeting Dylan, it made sense. You know, how am I
Speaker 1: going to get myself out of this situation, right, I
Speaker 1: mean that's how he lived his whole life, like things
Speaker 1: are bad? How am I going to get out of
Speaker 1: this situation? A jail cell search comes up Big Guess.
Speaker 1: Twenty six year old Dylan Dougherty is caught with an
Speaker 1: eight inch knife, mane up of metal, and a farewell
Speaker 1: letter addressed to the FBI and Werfino County Jail. Former
Speaker 1: neighbor Pastor Clanton recalls Dylan's farewell. Dylan had left a
Speaker 1: note saying, you got me, but I'm out of here,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of with humor, like the the accommodations
Speaker 1: are nice, but I gotta go. I gotta get my sister,
Speaker 1: you know. And he tried to escape to get out
Speaker 1: of the men's prison, to go to the women's prison
Speaker 1: to get his sister out, like he's gonna break her out.
Speaker 1: So their actions we're, like most people think, unbelievable. According
Speaker 1: to their rest affid David, it reads, I've enjoyed staying here,
Speaker 1: so don't take any of this personal. Dylan's plan was
Speaker 1: to escape through a hatch door that has access to
Speaker 1: the plumbing he had already tampered with the lock, tore
Speaker 1: out the insulation and climbed up to the ceiling. Footprints
Speaker 1: show he made it to the female cells and slipped
Speaker 1: a letter to his sister Lee raised Dougherty, telling her
Speaker 1: to get her belongings together. Dylan was going to go
Speaker 1: through the ceiling of the control room, dropped down and
Speaker 1: tie up the staff, taking their keys and walking out
Speaker 1: to freedom. I didn't know my brother Dylan how smart
Speaker 1: he is, and he's very widely. You know, Dylan is
Speaker 1: the type of think her agency side of the box,
Speaker 1: and I think when you get somebody a certain step back,
Speaker 1: his only way to do is at rack is to
Speaker 1: actually overcome it. So you know, if you give Dylan
Speaker 1: even a little bit of space or a little bit
Speaker 1: of time, he can think up a solution to anything.
Speaker 1: And that's just the way you Dylan is. He's a
Speaker 1: very all thinker, and he's a very strong and physically
Speaker 1: so if you put him in a box, he's gonna
Speaker 1: find a way out of that box. If that means
Speaker 1: destroying the box, if that means setting the box on fire,
Speaker 1: if that means climbing up the wall to like Spider Man,
Speaker 1: he's gonna do it. When you're sitting there and all
Speaker 1: you have is time and pressure, and when you're in
Speaker 1: that situation, you're just you're in stink. So you look for,
Speaker 1: you know, a way to survive in a better situation,
Speaker 1: and obviously escaping from you know, being locked up is
Speaker 1: one of those, you know methods. I mean, how did
Speaker 1: I just sign like I said? I mean, I just
Speaker 1: did the money. I want to be there. I don
Speaker 1: want to do the time, you know, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do a fire light dying in prison. And the
Speaker 1: actual mechanics of it were relatively simple that you're as
Speaker 1: very small as you all know. You know, the staff
Speaker 1: was kind of a little uh, I guess lack of daisical,
Speaker 1: you could say. But of course they changed a lot
Speaker 1: of things after that incident happened. Did you make it
Speaker 1: over to lead Race at any time? Yeah, yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: I was in the bed. I'm sure she remembers, as
Speaker 1: she was setting on the table watching TV, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was just likely race. You know, like how whispered
Speaker 1: to the van and she was like sort of startled
Speaker 1: because she's hearing my voice and she thought maybe she
Speaker 1: was It was like, I don't know what, I don't
Speaker 1: know what she thought it was, but you know, she
Speaker 1: started to crying. I was like, you know, he stopped crying.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I said, you know, it
Speaker 1: was just I said, it kind of like joggling. I
Speaker 1: was like, I said, I said, are you ready to go?
Speaker 1: You know? I said you want to? I said, do
Speaker 1: you want to leave here? Pretty much a rhetorical question,
Speaker 1: but you know, and she was of course, was like,
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, he actually was. He he had
Speaker 1: And I'm not laughing because it's funny or I'm I'm
Speaker 1: making light of the situation. If you give him enough time,
Speaker 1: he has enough energy, he's gonna find a way to escape.
Speaker 1: So I think that when he was making those plans,
Speaker 1: it was in his right stand line and he was
Speaker 1: going to escape. Now, whether or not he knew what
Speaker 1: was going to happen after we actually escaped, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I do you know that he hadn't been playned.
Speaker 1: In effect, the media spread news about the jail break.
Speaker 1: Jail officials claimed that they foiled an escape attempt masterminded
Speaker 1: by Dylan Doherty. Avadan Mileski is a psychologist who specializes
Speaker 1: in sibling relationships. He did not treat the Dougherties, but
Speaker 1: followed their case closely. Here he is speaking with Beth.
Speaker 1: Were you aware that Dylan tried to break out of
Speaker 1: jail with Lee Grace. He wrote a little letter to
Speaker 1: Lead Grace with information of how they're going to get out.
Speaker 1: That's just another piece of this puzzle. Were even once
Speaker 1: they're separate, they're not giving up. We need to get
Speaker 1: back together and we're going to help each other. They
Speaker 1: had found his footpints through the wall because he had
Speaker 1: worked in construction through where the pipes were, and they
Speaker 1: had found his shoeprint um he had made it to
Speaker 1: the women's prison. It's exceptional. Yeah, I think it speaks
Speaker 1: to first of all Dylan's intellect and his abilities, but
Speaker 1: ultimately he did it. Once again, I need to save
Speaker 1: my siblings. That was driving him. It's just once again
Speaker 1: that one constant thread throughout this entire story is that
Speaker 1: the healing power of the civil relationship. We're going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break here, we'll be back in a moment.
Speaker 1: A few weeks after Dylan's failed escape, the siblings all
Speaker 1: entered plea agreements. Colorado prosecutors dropped the multiple counts of
Speaker 1: attempted second degree murder. Here's the Grace's attorney, Patrick McCarville
Speaker 1: in Colorado lead led to three felonies attempted assault in
Speaker 1: the first degree on a peace officer and two counts
Speaker 1: of felony menacing, which is essentially pointing a weapon at
Speaker 1: a police officer. I believe in Lee Grace's plea agreements.
Speaker 1: At my insistence, she played it under a complicity theory,
Speaker 1: meaning that she aided and embedded her brothers in the
Speaker 1: commission of these crimes, but that she did not commit
Speaker 1: these crimes herself, and that was a subject of much
Speaker 1: litigation as we thought the cads who was the one
Speaker 1: in the back seat of the subar ruined Presa that
Speaker 1: was firing the gun at the pursuing law enforcement officers.
Speaker 1: Here again is Dylan's attorney, Kobe Becker. We went back
Speaker 1: and forth about his plea agreement. I think we try
Speaker 1: to get something less, but ultimately, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, he was like, you know, if this is
Speaker 1: what it is, this is what it is, and we'll
Speaker 1: just have to deal with it. And that's where he
Speaker 1: really differed from his brother and sister. I remember, because
Speaker 1: his brother was very scared, you know, he was obviously younger,
Speaker 1: but he was very scared and the stuff he was
Speaker 1: facing was much force or just in general. Lee Grace
Speaker 1: was quiet, She would not talk very much, but Dylan wasn't.
Speaker 1: He was remorseful for the things that he did, but
Speaker 1: he was never like this is the end of my life,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. They were originally facing a total
Speaker 1: of seventy three charges, including five counts of attempted murder
Speaker 1: in the second degree, but they made a plea deal
Speaker 1: with the court on April. Lea, Grace, Dylan, and Ryan
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to address the court before sentencing. I
Speaker 1: did not set out harm anyone. My only thought was
Speaker 1: to get my brother safely to another country and help
Speaker 1: him start a new life. Contrary a lot of people's relief,
Speaker 1: I never intendantier, I never tried to I never wanted
Speaker 1: to hurt anybody. It is true that I had had
Speaker 1: a desperation, and I'm I'm sorry for it, the shortes
Speaker 1: that I made. I wish, I wish I've done all
Speaker 1: things differently. I don't know really what things differently I
Speaker 1: have done, but I truly I'm sorry to to anybody
Speaker 1: that was involved, the police officers, any innocent bystoners that
Speaker 1: could have been hurt, and the actions that I did
Speaker 1: take are not to my character. I wasn't thinking, I
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking properly, wasn't thinking with the normal lindset that
Speaker 1: I have, And there's nothing I can do to change
Speaker 1: those I's just I just wish that the court would
Speaker 1: look at me, get the person. That's That's pretty much
Speaker 1: all I have to say, your honor, and I'm generally
Speaker 1: workful for what I happened. I'm sorry for my rather
Speaker 1: nowable the almost sixty when he gets out, and my sister.
Speaker 1: I am sorry for my life. And so Judge Claude
Speaker 1: Apple had the final word. This is not Robin Hood.
Speaker 1: This is just three D really stupid singing danger a
Speaker 1: lot of people's lives, and help you find some value
Speaker 1: and the rest of your life. Ryan received a sentence
Speaker 1: of eighteen years in prison after pleading guilty to five
Speaker 1: counts of menacing. Lee Grace got twenty four years for
Speaker 1: one count of attempted first degree assault and two counts
Speaker 1: of felony menacing. Dylan received the maximum sentence of thirty
Speaker 1: two years for first degree assault. Menacing refers to conduct
Speaker 1: that places another in danger or fear of injury or death.
Speaker 1: Here's Beth with Lee Grace. Were you guys punished for
Speaker 1: what could have happened or were you punished for what
Speaker 1: did happened? No, I definitely think we were punished for
Speaker 1: what possibly could have happened. And I understand that there
Speaker 1: were as police officers, there was lives in jeopardy that
Speaker 1: I do understand, and for that, I'm very sorry. I'm
Speaker 1: very You cannot apologize and just take any of that back.
Speaker 1: Once an act has been committed, you can't retract it.
Speaker 1: Dylan stayed positive and some of the praises of his attorney,
Speaker 1: Kobe Becker, who I have all the admiration in respect
Speaker 1: for and I can't thank her enough. This call was
Speaker 1: from the federal prison. She was a bulldog and a
Speaker 1: shark and a lady all at the same time. And
Speaker 1: I never saw her hands shaken with a paper in
Speaker 1: her hand. That woman has got ice water in her
Speaker 1: veins when it comes to that courtroom. But she was
Speaker 1: pregnant while she was representing me. Dry mother, Barbara Bell,
Speaker 1: says she was never asked to participate in her children's defense.
Speaker 1: I was never deposed and I was never even attempted
Speaker 1: to become never asked to become involved to my children's
Speaker 1: defense in any way, shape or form, except for compiling
Speaker 1: extensive psychiatric medical records for my daughter Lee Grace and
Speaker 1: mailing them to one of her attorneys. I did all
Speaker 1: that legwork myself, but it was never brought up at
Speaker 1: trial nor well there was no trial, it was never
Speaker 1: brought up during sentencing, and I was never included for
Speaker 1: I was never deposed or never given an opportunity to
Speaker 1: speak out on my children's behalf by any of their attorneys.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't realize you can still have
Speaker 1: witnesses testify even if a plea deal is agreed upon
Speaker 1: and sign it doesn't it's not all or nothing trial
Speaker 1: and you get to tell your story or plea agreement
Speaker 1: and you shut up. No, you are allowed to have
Speaker 1: the defense attorneys can call people that could mitigate sentencing.
Speaker 1: Patrick McCarville remembers meeting Barbara Belle. I was able to
Speaker 1: meet her mother at least once when she flew out
Speaker 1: to Colorado, but my investigator and I did a pretty
Speaker 1: deep dive into her family dynamic in anticipation of presenting
Speaker 1: a mitigation package to the district attorney or to the
Speaker 1: court at sentencing that her upbringing was insufficient and that,
Speaker 1: you know, therefore maybe she should get some leniency, that
Speaker 1: she never really had a chance in life, and that
Speaker 1: fell on deaf ears to some extent. Yes, Attorney Patrick
Speaker 1: McCarville talked to Beth about Lee Grace's state of mind
Speaker 1: after the verdict. A lot of my conversations with Lee
Speaker 1: when she was in the jail was talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: messages she got from her brother's you know, family, dynamic stories,
Speaker 1: and not too much interest in her criminal case. She
Speaker 1: was kind of resigned that she was going to do
Speaker 1: some time, whether it was in Colorado, Georgia, Florida, or elsewhere.
Speaker 1: She quickly adapted well to the jail. Essentially became a
Speaker 1: celebrity in the jail. And you know, I found it interesting.
Speaker 1: She became with the deputies that would escort her to
Speaker 1: court things of that nature. She was on a first
Speaker 1: name basis with all of them and would ask about
Speaker 1: their kids. Clearly, she was conversing with everybody, and she
Speaker 1: was the atypical inmate in the jail that she wasn't depressed.
Speaker 1: She was almost bombastic, and that continued. It really never
Speaker 1: evaporated her positive attitude. Of course, at sentencing she was
Speaker 1: a little depressed and sad, But for that moment she
Speaker 1: had a positive attitude and was going to make the
Speaker 1: best of her situation, regardless of the consequences. Was it
Speaker 1: that she was just resigned to it, or did she
Speaker 1: not have an understanding, I mean, you have now a
Speaker 1: federal charges for the bank robbery and then shooting at
Speaker 1: officers and all the eight or she just was kind
Speaker 1: of at piece because she couldn't control what was about
Speaker 1: to happen. Perhaps she would ask questions like is it
Speaker 1: possible for me to be sent into the same prison
Speaker 1: as my brothers. Her primary concerns were the welfare of
Speaker 1: Dylan and Ryan and not necessarily of herself. Here again
Speaker 1: is Kobe Becker speaking with Beth. My question for you,
Speaker 1: and again i'm model lawyer. The sentence it's hard, you know,
Speaker 1: when you say, well, the sentences seemed extreme because they
Speaker 1: shot at officers, they shot at the FBI, they rubbed
Speaker 1: a bank, But it seems like, you know, and hearing
Speaker 1: the sentencing and reading the files, you know what the
Speaker 1: recommended was, and it almost seems like they were charged
Speaker 1: for things that could have happened. Yeah, well, welcome to
Speaker 1: criminal law. When you shoot into a crowd and nobody
Speaker 1: has hurt, you are subjected to forty eight years and
Speaker 1: the state prison because of what could have happened. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're there. I could go on for days
Speaker 1: about the need for criminal justice reform. I don't even
Speaker 1: like to use the word justice system because it's not
Speaker 1: a just system. It is not a just system for
Speaker 1: indigent clients. It's not a just system for people that
Speaker 1: really don't cause any harm. To say, hey, we're going
Speaker 1: to punish these kids and put them in prison for
Speaker 1: thirty two years because you know, we're going to deter
Speaker 1: other people from shooting at law enforcement. Well, let's see
Speaker 1: how well that happened. How well did that work? Right,
Speaker 1: because clearly no one has shot at a cop since
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, we're sentenced ten years ago to
Speaker 1: to shooting at cops. Let's stop here for another quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a moment. The Docerts faced more
Speaker 1: court dates in Georgia and Florida, but they had one
Speaker 1: bright moment. Ryan picks up the story. The main guy
Speaker 1: at the jail gave us like an hour and a
Speaker 1: half in a visitation room to see each other after
Speaker 1: we got sentence. So that was cool because the county
Speaker 1: jail people knew us well enough and liked us well enough,
Speaker 1: and we had made friends with him well enough to
Speaker 1: be able to get that last hour visit together. Then
Speaker 1: we roll on out to the Feds. The Feds come
Speaker 1: get us. They fly us in a little tiny jet,
Speaker 1: just me, my brother and sister in three US marshalls
Speaker 1: where were chained to like a d ring to the
Speaker 1: floor of the plane and you know, you're shackled up
Speaker 1: like six ways from Sunday and cuffed up, and they
Speaker 1: flew us from there to Georgia. Georgia took about a
Speaker 1: year to work its way through the process. The Dougherty
Speaker 1: publicity parade played out once again when they landed in Georgia.
Speaker 1: Here's Beth with Ryan followed by the Grace. I was
Speaker 1: able to find like some footage and I think it's
Speaker 1: you and Lee Grace being walked outside of a courtroom
Speaker 1: in shackles and with a guy with a like M
Speaker 1: sixteen walking out in front of you and they kind
Speaker 1: of paraded you in front of the media. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: did that before we ever got to child, So I
Speaker 1: don't know how we're ever supposed to get the attend
Speaker 1: its fair or impartial ever anywhere. Really, I think it
Speaker 1: was just for show. And I think that when they
Speaker 1: feel embarrassed, they have to recoup, you know, their losses.
Speaker 1: They have to make a fan, they have to make
Speaker 1: a statement of you know, we lost one, we lost
Speaker 1: the battle, but we're gonna win the war. And I
Speaker 1: think that was what the statement they were trying to
Speaker 1: make is, these these three siblings are not going to
Speaker 1: embarrass us anymore. You know, they might have done it once,
Speaker 1: but there's no way in hell they're going to do
Speaker 1: it again. So I think a lot of that was
Speaker 1: her show, and I think you look at it from
Speaker 1: a legal perspective, they had to put their front down
Speaker 1: here again. Psychologists and sibling specialist Avadan Moleski. There's this
Speaker 1: video clip that one news outlet caught them when they
Speaker 1: were being led out of the Georgia court after their
Speaker 1: court appearance in Georgia. Right, they have to be up
Speaker 1: here and court in Colorado and in Georgia and Florida.
Speaker 1: So there's a small, little thirty second snapshot of both
Speaker 1: Ryan and Lee Grace walking out of the Georgia courtroom
Speaker 1: and they were being led into the US Marshall car
Speaker 1: and you see Lee Grace turnaround towards Ryan and give
Speaker 1: them a little kiss on the cheek, like this older
Speaker 1: sister and they're in this horrible situation, and this little
Speaker 1: outreach of love between an older sister and a younger
Speaker 1: brother that just really encapsulated for me this remarkable relationship.
Speaker 1: The docrit Is copped to plea deal again, this time
Speaker 1: in Georgia, and in December they were sentenced by Judge
Speaker 1: Hugh Lawson and Valdosta to thirty five years and eight
Speaker 1: months aged for robbing the local bank. Georgia took about
Speaker 1: a year to work its way through the process and
Speaker 1: we ended up lean out there being as they said,
Speaker 1: seventeen to nineteen years, and then the judge and court
Speaker 1: just gives us forty years. And I said in court,
Speaker 1: I said, man, this fucking kangaroo court. I said, how
Speaker 1: do you sleep with yourself at night with this sentence
Speaker 1: that you just shot like way over the move And
Speaker 1: then judge is like, oh, if you feel that way,
Speaker 1: appeal and you know, end of that. The Doughertys actually
Speaker 1: received sentences that went above and beyond the federal guideline range.
Speaker 1: My guideline range called for seventeen to nineteen years. They said, hey,
Speaker 1: sign this lee deal for seventeen to nineteen years. I
Speaker 1: signed for that, and then the judges like, I don't
Speaker 1: like this hold these thirty five years. But the fact
Speaker 1: that they're swinging against you is, hey, bro, you know
Speaker 1: that this gun itself carries a life sentence, right, so
Speaker 1: if you don't pleaded this, it takes this open flee
Speaker 1: of whatever the funk we decided to give you. Is
Speaker 1: your blessing is you do, You're gonna get hit with
Speaker 1: a fucking life sentence. That's the stick that they always
Speaker 1: threaten you with. Dylan was hit the hardest with both sentences.
Speaker 1: My sentence I was always supposed to be forty seven months.
Speaker 1: You know, I was with the bank robbery side of
Speaker 1: the side of the criminal you know, Enterprise carried was
Speaker 1: I think it was forty two forty seven months, and
Speaker 1: I think gave me four. So that kind of says
Speaker 1: it all right there. That was my guidelines, and that's
Speaker 1: what my federal attorney told me. In Georgia. Oh, they're
Speaker 1: gonna go with the guidelines. You know, that's what they're
Speaker 1: there for, and blah blah bla, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I can only laugh at that now, m But they
Speaker 1: don't have to go with the guidelines, folks. They're just
Speaker 1: guy's lines. They can do whatever they want at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. Mother Barbara Belle shares her perspective
Speaker 1: on how the trials and sentencing played out. I don't
Speaker 1: dare to hope, and realistically, I think my children so
Speaker 1: much publicity or surrounded their initial crime spree that everybody
Speaker 1: wanted to get their name in there, and everybody wanted
Speaker 1: to have a piece of the pie, piece of the
Speaker 1: famous pie. That they're over the top sentences when they
Speaker 1: signed plea agreements that they agreed they pleaded guilty of
Speaker 1: crimes with the agreement of twenty years in prison, and
Speaker 1: to have that overridden by a judge. Everybody wanted in
Speaker 1: on the publicity and part of the limelight. And now
Speaker 1: they're forgotten on one of the few that actually keeps
Speaker 1: in touch with them regularly. There are a few other people,
Speaker 1: but this is yesterday's news to most people. But me,
Speaker 1: I wake up every morning with this as fresh as
Speaker 1: if it happened yesterday. I'm in a three of bad mood. Now.
Speaker 1: I just kind of legal letter from my new attorneys
Speaker 1: that I have in Florida. In the letter said, well,
Speaker 1: I tend to that apparently much times I could start until,
Speaker 1: like in this case resolved, and I was un any
Speaker 1: impression that they would it would would start from the
Speaker 1: moment that I was seeking car. Sorry, just come up
Speaker 1: on ten years now, so from minus and easy that
Speaker 1: I'm not, I can create it for the time that
Speaker 1: I've served already. I don't know. It is crazy. Prison
Speaker 1: is basically a warehouse. You know, you have your room,
Speaker 1: you have your drawer, you have your locker. It's just
Speaker 1: a big storage facility where you just fit in the
Speaker 1: same unit pretty much all day long, all night long,
Speaker 1: and you just do your time day for day. And
Speaker 1: they do have um a prescription still line. But are
Speaker 1: any of these medications very good? No. They are drugs
Speaker 1: that make you sleepy, drugs that make you gain weight,
Speaker 1: drugs that make you look like ship. They are different
Speaker 1: people now. They regret what they did and they need
Speaker 1: to be out here making a valuable contribution to society
Speaker 1: instead of costing the taxpayers a hundred dollars a day
Speaker 1: each to keep them in Federal House. More on that
Speaker 1: next time. If you're over eighteen years old and want
Speaker 1: to see pictures of Lee Grace and Ryan Dougherty or
Speaker 1: find their addresses to write them in prison, go to
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Speaker 1: Beth Greenwald, Sean McEwen, and Joseph Morgan. Editing and sound
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