1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Oh, a good time of my Steve Taskers. Do to 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: do do, let's not time good Thursday afternoon. Everybody, welcome, 3 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to One Bills Drive, John Murphy, Steve Tasker in 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: our studio here, the one Buffalo Studio for one Bills 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: Live from now until three o'clock with a lot to 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: talk about today. Thanks for tuning in. I'm gonna talk 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: about the Bills obviously, talk about the NFL, a lot 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: to talk about. A couple of good guests as well, 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: and uh, we're are what did I figure out today? 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: Less now, less than three weeks away from free agency 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: in the NFL that starts on March thirteenth, a week 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: away from the NFL Scouting Combine. We're gonna be there 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: next Wednesday, Thursday Friday, a couple of months away from 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. We have hit the meat of the 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: off season in the next couple of months here, Steve. 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: I'm excited about the meat in a vegetarian diet. No, 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: we're starving now for content for the most listen. I 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: will I'm trying to hijack the show today just so 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: our friends out there. No, I'm trying this. Zion Williamson, 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: the basketball player. I am fired up about it. The 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: duke basketball player, who is good enough to play in 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: the NBA, by all accounts, is the best college basketball 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: player in the country, got tweaked his knee last night. 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: He's gonna be I'm not a docter. I'm just guessing. 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: I'd say it's not a catastrophic injury when we've seen those. 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: His shoe fails, he slips, goes down, and tweaks his knee. 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: So now the thing is, everybody's saying, well, guys, should 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: set huge risk for him and all the money he 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: potentially can make in the NBA for him to be 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: playing with these college kids. Maybe get hurt, maybe something 31 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: could happen. He literally has like eight weeks left in 32 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: the season, right, not even not even it's got six 33 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: weeks left in his college career and probably a maximum 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: of ten games fifteen games, and everybody's telling him he 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, or making the case that he should bail 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: out and not play. And and it also brings up 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: the argument and Murph and I've been going back and 38 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: forth about this. It brings up this argument about it 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: should you pay college athletes? And I'm I am so 40 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: so you know, I'm I feel strongly about this um 41 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and I'm kind of twisted 42 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: Murph's arm that we should spend the entire day. My 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: argument is, there's if it's not broken, don't fix it. 44 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: And I don't think college athletics is broken now. Certainly 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: there are cheaters, and there are aberrations to guy's getting 46 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: around the rules. You don't want any of that. But 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: the one thing I would change about the whole thing 48 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: is and if a kid wants to come out of 49 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: high school and give the NFL a shot, let him. 50 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: If a kid wants to come out of high school 51 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: and give pro pro basketball a shot, let him. The 52 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: problem is that once those kids try and do that, 53 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: there's no going back to the They can't go play 54 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: college football after that. They can't do it. And because 55 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: the NCAA has rules and regulations about nolink professional athletes play, 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: it's an amateur, it's an amateur sport, which is also 57 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: their rationalization for giving the kid a fifty two thousand 58 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: dollars a year education plus a stipend, plus room and 59 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: board and meals and tuition and keeping them an amateur. 60 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how they make that argument, but they do. 61 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: But my point is, listen, the rules that are there now, 62 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: this one and done in the NCAA basketball thing, and 63 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: only after your junior year can you come out in 64 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: the NFL. They're there, actually, in my opinion, to protect 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: the kids, so many kids from rolling the dice too 66 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: early in their life to understand what their future might 67 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: or might not hold. And I think, and I just 68 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: don't have a I just don't have a problem with 69 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: the way it's presently constructed. Certainly, I don't want cheaters. 70 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: And you don't want guys paying kids under the table 71 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: or on side deals. You don't their dad's getting paid. 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: You don't want all of that. I mean, you can 73 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: think back decades and you can think of all the 74 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: shady stuff that's happened that was actually legal but looked 75 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: like what are you doing. Stuff like that has happened 76 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: throughout the course of the history of the game. But 77 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: I just I don't I'm not a fan of college 78 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: athletics and college athlete no matter how much money the 79 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: school's making, how much money the TV networks are making, 80 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: you don't want to pay these kids. You're already giving 81 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: them a great education, You're giving them something that should 82 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: be as valuable to them as anything they've ever had 83 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: in their lives. And people are saying it's I just 84 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: don't think it's unfair. That's my point, that's my real point, 85 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: because a lot of people are saying it's just unfair 86 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: to have these kids playing in these national TV games 87 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: and not get paid. Well, there's a lot there to unpack, 88 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to. I'm first of all, I have 89 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: trouble figuring out what Zion Williamson's minor Nie Sprain has 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: to do with any of this. This is not a 91 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: catastrophic injury. The kid's career does not appear to be 92 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: in jeopardy as NBA careers. I'm not sure how not 93 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: just used to, but the entire country, thanks to ESPN, 94 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: is talking about what this means, big picture wise, what 95 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: are we doing wrong and college athletics. Look, my contention is, 96 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: and I'm a big college basketball fan, much more than 97 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: college football, but big time, big time college sports is 98 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: fundamentally corrupt. It is It doesn't make any sense at 99 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: all to put these games on ESPN, CBS, ABC, Fox, 100 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, to generate millions of dollars and not pay 101 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: the participants at all. It's fundamentally corrupt. It encourages and 102 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: allows for cheating, recruiting issues, eligibility cheating, It encourages bad behavior, 103 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: I think on the part of college athletes. And you 104 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: say the rules, I guess the NCAA rules are there 105 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: to protect kids. Not so sure about that. I think 106 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: those rules are really designed to protect the networks and 107 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: the conferences and the college administrators to make sure that 108 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: this incredible cash generating endeavor continues on. I think that's 109 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: what the NSA does. I think that's what the NBA 110 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: does with the you know, allowing players are in after 111 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: one year. I think that's what the NFL does. It's 112 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: a it's a partnership. The NBA looks at NCAA Division 113 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: One basketball is a training ground, and so in exchange 114 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: for that, will let you keep these guys for one year, 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: these guys who most of whom the players are going 116 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: to be in the NBA, most of them probably don't 117 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: wind up with college degrees at all. The NFL does 118 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: the same thing to you know, the Power five college 119 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: football conferences. Look, we want you guys to help us 120 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: develop these players as much as you can, and in 121 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: doing so, we'll wait to draft him for a couple 122 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: of years. We won't interfere, mostly because there's millions and 123 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: millions of dollars at stake for both the networks, for 124 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: the college conferences, the college administrators, individual coaches and administrators 125 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: in college, and the NFL and the NBA. So it's 126 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: fundamentally corrupt, that's being said. I like college basketball a lot. 127 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: I follow a couple of teams very closely. I accepted 128 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: the fundamentally corrupt nature of the sport at the highest levels. 129 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: I would look forward to someday maybe that all falls apart. 130 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: You know, some people thought, Shoot, a year ago, I 131 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: thought that the FBI investigation into college basketball, which is 132 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: not yet complete, I thought that might be the beginning 133 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: of the end for big time college basketball. Apparently it's not. 134 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: The economic forces are so strong to preserve this system 135 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: they have that it might not ever go away. Paying players, 136 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, they get, they get their education, they get 137 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: their scholarships, they get a stipend that's changed over the years. 138 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: They don't get meaningful money for the you know, the 139 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: network revenue that they generate. It's not anything near what 140 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: they are worth it in terms of that. To be 141 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: honest with you, Steve. This is why I'd prefer professional 142 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: football over college football because, look, make no mistake about it, 143 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: We're about making money here. The Buffalo Bills are about 144 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: making money as every other NFL team is about it. 145 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: There's no illusion about for the good of the school 146 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: or for our alma mater. And let's have a tier 147 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: in our arm when we sing the alma mater. Professional football, 148 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: the Bills, thirty one other teams. Our business endeavors to 149 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: make money, and I think college football, I think American 150 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: sports would benefit by wiping out that illusion when it 151 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: comes to big time college sports. What's that got to 152 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: do with Zion Williamson? Though I don't know, I think 153 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: the reason is because it brings out a point that 154 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson is going to be an NBA player, and 155 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: he could be an NBA a NBA player right now, 156 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: and he's not allowed to be right. That's the problem. 157 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: And the fact that he tweaked his knee, and it 158 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: brings up the he tweaks his knee Particut, what if 159 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: he had a Kirk Cousins injury. We've seen some bad 160 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: injuries on basketball called for the guy breaking his lord. 161 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: What if that happened to him and all of a 162 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: sudden and something happens like Kirk Cousins, where all of 163 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: a sudden he gets an infection and there's complications and 164 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: he never does play. And because of his one year 165 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: that he had to play at Duke University and the 166 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: injury that he sustained. Then, yeah, Alex Smith, the Alex 167 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 1: Smith injury that he sustained and there were complications that 168 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: he may play, may not even be able to play 169 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: this year. Zion Williamson at risk for never playing in 170 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: the NBA, never earning a dime with this prolific skill 171 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: that he's that he's got, and all because he was 172 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: forced to go to college for a year. So that's 173 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: that's the reason it comes up with Zion Williamson. And 174 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: here's my point about that. And and you think, I guess, 175 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: I think, I don't want to speak for you. I'm 176 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: getting from you. You think college athletes in general are exploited. Yeah, right, good, Yeah, 177 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: And that's and that's a good point that you say. 178 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: The good ones Zion Williamson. You can make a strong 179 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: case for that. But here's the point, Murph. You got 180 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: thousands upon thousands upon thousands of kids playing college athlete. 181 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: You got to make rules for all of them. And 182 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: when you get a generational player like like a Kobe 183 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: bryant Um, Dominique Wilkins, uh, Darryl Dawkins, Connie Hawkins, these 184 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: players who came out of high school or whatever and 185 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 1: went to the NBA quicker And I don't I don't 186 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: know if I got all the names right, if all 187 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: they all did that, But all these players who went 188 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: to the inbor did not play college basketball. Those are 189 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: generational players. They happen. It's a handful of guys over 190 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: the course of a couple of decades. You got to 191 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: make rules for everybody. And if the aberrations are still okay, 192 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: they're still gonna play in the NBA. They're still going 193 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: to have great and long and prolific careers. That's why 194 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: you got to go with the rules. And that's why 195 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: I don't think. I do not believe that college foot 196 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: athletes are taken advantage of. And I acknowledge that the schools, 197 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: the television networks, and whatever else you want to me 198 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: mention are making a ton of money off of it. 199 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: But here's the problem. If you if you don't think 200 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: the college athletes like the deal they've got, they can quit. 201 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: They don't have to go to school. They can wait. 202 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: You'd go to the G League and in the in 203 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: the Pro league, or yeah, he could go to the 204 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: Pro League and play. He couldn't go to the NBA. 205 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: He'd go to Europe and play. You could do anything 206 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: he wanted. But here's the thing, and this is why 207 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: I agree with you. The one and done, the three 208 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: years and out. You can do that. But here's the problem. 209 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem in taking that off. Say hey, 210 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: if the kid's good enough, let him play whenever it is, 211 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: if he's fifteen years old, then he can play in 212 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: the NBA. I'm all about it. The problem is this, 213 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: There's gonna be two hundred kids who think they can 214 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: because they can, like I was telling you, they can 215 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: out dribble everybody in their neighborhood, and they think that's 216 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: all it's gonna take for them to be an NBA player. 217 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: Then they walk into an NBA camp, they're three feet 218 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: shorter than everybody, and everybody dunks on them and can 219 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: dribble circles around them. They find out they're not that good. Well, then, 220 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: because they signed with an agent, because they signed a 221 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: pro contract or a tryout. They can't go to the NCAA. 222 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: They can't get back in college athletics. Now you can 223 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: say now that they can. Now after there's freshman year, 224 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: they can go out and they can check and test 225 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: the waters and the NBA guys will say, hey, you're 226 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: not gonna go until the third round or whatever. You're 227 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: not gonna you're not gonna make a roster. Then they 228 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: can say, Okay, now I'm gonna go back and play 229 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: in the NCAA. You can do all of that, but 230 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: you're'll gonna have kids. They're not gonna go to high 231 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: school because they don't think they'll have to. They're not 232 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: going to go to college. You're not going to pursue 233 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: that academically. Colleges won't be able to get them in 234 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: or they won't be able to stay eligible. They're not 235 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: gonna make they're gonna helping these guys. And I'm not 236 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: saying that only because of the NCAA. Are they working 237 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: hard in school, But you you're gonna you're taking a 238 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: bunch of kids down the road and there's no it's 239 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: a dead end. It's a dead end. I don't think 240 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: you should I don't think you should belittle the trade. 241 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: The universities give these athletes to get them to play 242 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: for them. The schools give them a great opportunity, great education, 243 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: great environment, college town environment. Yeah, but that's it doesn't 244 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: come close. It does not come it's free. It does 245 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: not compare to the money being generated by these games 246 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: on TV. You know it doesn't. It doesn't come close. 247 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: Great opportunity. Yeah, okay, thank you very much. I you 248 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: know I need how about some cash instead of this opportunity. 249 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: I think that would be the argument if I were 250 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: a player. You know, it's fine. Thank you. Thank you 251 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: for the the scholarship, thank you for the books, thank 252 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: you for the room and board, um, thank you for 253 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: putting me in a nice college town for a year 254 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: or two. But it doesn't measure up with what you're getting. 255 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: Mister athletic director, you know four or five million dollars 256 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: a year coach, college basketball coach, Well, listen, that's how 257 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: do you make four or five Listen? The guys who 258 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: make decisions and a leadership level always get compensated more. 259 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean, the athletic director and the head coach are 260 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: going to make more than the special teams player. It's 261 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: inequitable though, That's what I'm saying. I thought a lot 262 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: about you don't think everything, not at all. Certainly, it's 263 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: how much money we're guessing here. Zion Williamson already has 264 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: generated millions dollars for ESPN, for CBS, for Duke, for 265 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: the Atlantic Coast Conference, and he has one year of 266 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: college education in recompense. Let me ask you this, it's 267 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: not even how much money would Duke basketball have made 268 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: this year if Zion Williamson didn't exist, would be the 269 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: same thing. It's a business. There's number one. They're on 270 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: network TV all the time. Yeah, but not be the 271 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: same Are you saying they would fill them? They would 272 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: fill that spot with Zion Williamson, b the next best 273 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: college player. I mean, they're do Right or a powerhouse whatever. 274 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: So and they'd still sell out whatever arena, Cameron Arena, 275 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: they'd still sell out. They'd still be on TV A 276 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: handful of teams, the handful they're on every week there well, okay, 277 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: the other way they play at Syracusenset. Okay, but but 278 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: the point, you know, the point is it's a it's 279 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: goes and that's why if somebody there's a thousand, literally 280 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: a thousand kids standing in line for one of the 281 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: spots on the Duke basketball team. And just like that, 282 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: on every ACC team, SEC team, there's a thousand kids 283 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: that wish they were there, And not all of it's 284 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: about basketball. What do you mean some of those kids 285 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: just want to get a lot of kids would just 286 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: trade places with them, just be at school without having 287 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: to take two hundred grand in debt. Yeah. I can't 288 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: argue with any of that. I don't know what we're 289 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: arguing about. We're arguing not don't even know. It's not 290 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: you're telling me it's not fair. I'm telling you it's 291 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: integrat corrupt, incredibly fair. No, it's not fair. Oh I 292 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: think it's fundamentally corrupt. If it's not fair, then they 293 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: don't take the deal and don't play basketball. I want 294 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: to pay. Okay, well you can't. Let you do it. 295 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: You can play basketball anywhere you want. You won't make money. 296 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: Un Let you do it our way. If you're not 297 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: making money here, that's not the American way. It's not 298 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: what we do in America. If you're listen, you're not 299 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: gonna make money. You're not You're not gonna make money 300 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: doing it your way either. If you're a ninety nine 301 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: nine percent of the people, you don't have to go 302 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: to college and put in a four year apprenticeship for 303 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: some college. If you're in a talent, talented musician who 304 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: sells out arenas, there isn't a There isn't a musicians league. 305 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: There isn't a competitive league for musicians. You don't have 306 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: to do it with anybody else. You don't need a team, 307 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: you don't need a you don't need a band. You 308 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: don't need a league where you're gonna go in and 309 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: play a concert with six other bands and see who wins. 310 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: It's not competitive. That's different. It's completely different. I don't 311 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: know about that. I'm telling you it's not unfair. It's 312 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: not unfair. The fact that the fact the deal that 313 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: they're given Division one athletes, it's not fair. The thing 314 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: that's unfair might be, like I said, the fact that 315 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: if they're good enough, they can't move on. Yeah, that's 316 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: part of the inequity. Yeah that's but it's not that 317 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: they're not getting paid. Look, here's what people are saying 318 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: about Zion Williamson. He did not need to play college 319 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: basketball to make the NBA. His livelihood. He could have 320 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: gone and directly played in the NBA and been pretty good. 321 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: Probably he did not need it, and yet he had 322 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: no option. If he wanted to pursue this career goal. 323 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: He had to do at least one year in college. 324 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: He chose Duke and that many people and I don't 325 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: have a big problem with it because it's the way 326 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: it's been for years, but that lack of an option 327 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: for him or maybe you know, thirty other college basketball 328 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: stars this year, that's what many people view as inequitable. 329 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: And I see that, and this is where you and 330 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't know the numbers on this. I think there's 331 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: one Zion, No, there's there are other kids in the NCAA. 332 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: You'd be hard pressed to find multiple players who would 333 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: step on. Now. Maybe they would make an NFL NBA roster, maybe, 334 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: but you gotta know there are guys out there in 335 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: the NBA who've been doing it for fifteen years, and 336 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: this kid's gonna come in and bet and he just 337 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: doesn't have to know how to do it. He doesn't 338 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: have the development to do it. I'm telling you this. 339 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: You don't make rules for the entire NCAA because there's 340 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: three guys play and who shouldn't have to play there 341 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: there's more than three. I believe that. I doesn't. I 342 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: disagree every year. I disagree. Okay, I just see how 343 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: many new players in the NBA are there every We 344 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: got to look that up. Get our cracks, don't get 345 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: crack research staff on it. Dozens. There's only what is there? 346 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: Twenty eight teams, twenty nine teams. Yeah, there's rookies all 347 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: over the place because they're cheap, because they can run 348 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: all day. Lots lots. What's this got to do with 349 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson. I'm back to that again. He had a 350 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: tough right, you know what I was saying. He bring 351 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: us to like the fact that he shouldn't have to 352 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: be playing for free in college. Kenyon Martin and remember 353 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: that name, back about eighteen years great college. He was 354 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: the best college basketball player at the University of Cincinnati. 355 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: Blew out his knee in a conference tournament game before 356 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament and never really hit the kind of 357 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: NBA career that many people thought he would have. Right, 358 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: not fair to him twenty years ago, eighteen years ago, 359 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: kind of a similar situation. I don't know if Zion 360 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: Williamson has hurt that badly that this will impact him 361 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: long term. It appears not. They're describing it as a 362 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: mild knee spring and he could be back in a 363 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: week or two. But it's essentially the same situation. A 364 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: guy who does not really need to play in college 365 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: basketball putting it on the line and sacrificing maybe his 366 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: chances to make it big in the NBA. Not fair. 367 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm not crying about it because I accepted that's the 368 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: way it is. I think it's part of the fundamental 369 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: corrupt nature a big time college basketball and football. It's 370 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: it's corrupt, fundamentally corrupt. Why is it? I don't corrupt 371 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: seems like the wrong word to me. Well, I believe 372 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: it is corrupt. Why because the players are not compensated, 373 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: Because there's millions of dollars being generated that the players 374 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: never see. That's corrupt. Because colleges conferences do things like 375 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: recruiting violations and eligibility transgressions recruit players. Well, if you're 376 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: gonna say cheating, I mean there's I mean that's corruption. Yeah, 377 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not acceptable. Nobody accepts it as 378 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you might accept it as a given but 379 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: I'm I'm saying it's it's against the rules. They're not 380 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: letting that happen. They don't want that goes on. It's pervation. 381 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: It can you can say that, but that's not part 382 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: of the rules. They're not trying to they're not legislating cheating. 383 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: In trying to legislate it out. There's so much My 384 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: point is, there's so much money at stake they can't 385 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: get it out. There's so much incentive, money incentive for coaches, administrators, 386 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: schools to generate millions of dollars every year that they're 387 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: going to ben they're gonna but Ben Corners and get it. 388 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: I get it. But to be corrupt. But the thing is, 389 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: the thing structured, the way it's structured isn't corrupt. If 390 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: you if everybody followed the rules, you're saying, it would 391 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: not be corrupt. Everybody doesn't follow the rules because there's 392 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: so much money. It's right, Okay, So because everything is 393 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: corrupt because there's penalties called and everybody's cheating. Right, So 394 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: if they throw a flag in the NFL, it's corrupt 395 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: because somebody's cheating. If they miss a call, it's corrupt 396 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: because they're cheating. And they get away with it. That's 397 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: you're you're splitting hairs here. It's not set up to 398 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: have guys cheat. It's set up to be fair. It's 399 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: set up to make money. It is set up to 400 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: make money. Yeah, but yeah, that's all. And it's about 401 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: I believe that big time college sports. Yeah, it's not 402 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: about fairness. It's cut of corners here. You're yeah, you 403 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: set up to generate millions of dollars and it does effect. 404 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: But it's fair. It's like a great legitimate business. It's 405 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: not fair to the players. You don't get paid, then 406 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: they don't have to play. That's not fair. What do 407 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: you mean it's not fair. They can say no, don't 408 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: hate the D. They can say no and not play basketball. 409 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: They can play in Europe, they can play in the 410 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: D League. They can turn pro and go and play 411 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: in a minor league basketball. They can make money doing it. 412 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: Then they'd make it probably about the same money they're 413 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: getting in return for a college education, about fifty grand 414 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: a year. Because they don't go along with the multimillion 415 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: dollar corrupt. Why don't guys do that? I finish, They 416 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: don't go along with the multimillion dollar corrupt system generated 417 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: by network TV and the big conferences and the colleges 418 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: and the college presidents. By the way, they don't comply 419 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 1: with that, they are forced to do something else, make 420 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: a little bit less money, go to Europe to play 421 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: because they're eighteen instead of nineteen or twenty. That's not fair. 422 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: Not fair. Now I can agree with that, Okay, I 423 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: can agree with that. They should if they if they 424 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: think they're good enough, let them go. But the NCAA 425 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: can have rules and they say, listen, if you're turning pro, 426 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: you're not playing in our sport. And then what are 427 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: they gonna do? What are these hundreds of things? You 428 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: can take your two top thirty guys, a couple of 429 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: dozen guys off the NCAA thing. What are the two 430 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty other fifteen or fifty thousand other kids 431 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: over the next ten years who think they can play 432 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: who can't. What are they going to do when the 433 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: nca IT says you turn pro, you're not in an 434 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: amateur athlete anymore. Well, they made a bad decision to 435 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: live with that. What could happen is if they take 436 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: the money out, take the TV out, take the money out. 437 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: Maybe we have modified amateur athletics. Maybe you know, it's 438 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: a good model for the Steve, and we get it 439 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: locally here Kennisius, Niagara, Bontaventure, and even you be Look, 440 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: not too many of these guys are going to play 441 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: basketball for money. When it's all said and done, they 442 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: are here, many of them graduate, and they are here 443 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: to get a degree and play college basketball and maybe 444 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: win a conference championship, maybe win a championship. Pretty good model, 445 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: I think for the way, yes, the way it used 446 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: to be and the way it could be good again. 447 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: Just to scale it down. We don't need, you know, 448 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: we don't need fourteen college basketball games on Saturday afternoon 449 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: all over my TV. And I like college basketball, but 450 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: we don't need that. You don't need to generate them 451 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: those millions of dollars. Maybe it'd be a better game, 452 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: maybe certainly be a purer game and a game if 453 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: you took all that TV money out of it. But that, well, 454 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: here's this. I'm not being a jerk here. That's not 455 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: gonna happen. I get you. I know it's not gonna happen. 456 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: But here's the thing too, Murph. When they step inside 457 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: the lines and the official tosses the ball up on 458 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: the tip off. What's corrupt about that? There's still a game, yeah, 459 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: I mean they still run the game fair and they 460 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: and they and they watch it close and they they 461 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: officiate these kids. Is still a great game, right, no question? 462 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: What all those guys have been paid to attend to school, 463 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: Some of those guys have been given them improper advantages 464 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: and and all sorts of And how would that change 465 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: if you start paying them a free willie nilly. I'm 466 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: not saying Alabama can start paying to a tag tagle 467 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: whatever they can get it. What do they can get 468 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: him for? Is that what you want? I don't want. No, 469 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: I don't want that. No better. If this is the 470 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: fair way, don't pay any of them. They're all there 471 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: for the same reasons to play and to advance either 472 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: their football career or their life. I don't know if 473 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: it's better or both the best way. I'll say that 474 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: that the cruxt of our problem. Then what would fix it? 475 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: I told you to take them TV take the money 476 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: on it, just because as soon as you take the 477 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: money out of people are gonna get more interested in 478 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: and they're going to start asking to watch it. They're 479 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna put it right back on TV because 480 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: people will be clamoring to watch them. Look, this is 481 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: fantasy land because it will never happen, because it does 482 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: generate so much television money and does generate so much 483 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: so many ratings for college football and college basketball that 484 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: the thing is, how do you how do you fix 485 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: it in its current state to be both accessible to 486 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: all of us who want to watch fifteen college basketball 487 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: games every weekend, right, and and have a guy like 488 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson not have to play. I don't know. Do 489 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: you think it would be as interesting if guys like 490 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson had an opportunity to go and just play 491 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: in the NBA. It would make the NBA may be 492 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: more interesting? Yeah, I believe right, Yeah, I don't know. 493 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: It's corrupt. I don't corrupt made only because there's cheaters, 494 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: But it's not. The rules aren't set up to be corrupt. 495 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: They you're telling me it's a corrupt business from start 496 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: to finish, like they like they're they're not giving these 497 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: kids anything, right, they're just pulling these kids off the 498 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: street and putting them in a sweatshop. It's corrupt because 499 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: there's so much money at sake that people will bend 500 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 1: the rules and break the rules. Well, they do that 501 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: in every sport. They do in the NFL, they do 502 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: that in Major League Baseball, they're doing hockey. We gotta 503 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: take a break. I'm not sure what we just spent 504 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: the last one and then us talking about. We got 505 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: Dion Lacy coming up next to He is a linebacker 506 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: special teamer who just signed a contract, a one year 507 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: deal to come back to the Buffalo Bills. We'll talk 508 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: with him when we return. One Bill's Live presented by 509 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: Collat of Health from One Bills Drive on Buffalo Bills Radio. 510 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to one Goals five. John Murphy's Steve Tasker 511 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive from the a Pro Sports Trade 512 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: Needs Center, home of the Boat Show. It's underway. I 513 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: just took a walk through there, Steve. There's there's people 514 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: here in the I know, it's kind of cool. It's 515 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: like Thursday. Yeah, they're here and they're here. Pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, Hey, 516 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: coming up in a moment, Uh, Dion Lacy's gonna join us. 517 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: He's gonna check in with us, the Bills linebacker special 518 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: teamer who just signed a one year contract keeping keeping 519 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: him on the roster. He'll be his third season with 520 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: the Bills. Dean Lacy joining us. Andrew Brand's gonna join 521 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: us at one o'clock. You want to bounce some of 522 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: your ideas about Oh yeah, yeah, he's the guy, the 523 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: business of sports guy from ESPN. Formally, Um, what would 524 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: you ask him? So? What do you think? What do 525 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: you think is inherently the problem with nca athletics. I mean, 526 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: we're getting a lot of stuff about should they get 527 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: paid or not. I don't think they should. I think 528 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: they're getting paid enough or traded compensated well enough. And 529 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: I and Murph is it corrupt? And we'll ask him 530 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: if it's corrupt like you think it is. Okay, see 531 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: what his take is. I want I want to know, 532 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: you want to know. He's like the business of sports gurus, right, 533 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: he's the guy. So I can't wait to talk to 534 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: him and your Brent coming up at one o'clock Today. 535 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: At two o'clock, we've got Greg Rosenthal on the show 536 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: with us Today. Greg Rosenthal from NFL dot com, the 537 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: co hostly Around the NFL podcast, will talk with him 538 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: about some of the stuff going on around the National 539 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: Football League these days, including uh, you know the Steelers situation. 540 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: We talked a lot about the Steelers yesterday, a little 541 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: bit more with him today talking about free agency, which 542 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: is now a little bit less than three weeks away, 543 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: and of course to combine next week all of that 544 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: coming up here on the show today. Our Twitter poll, 545 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: we have not introduced that. Let's do that. We think 546 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: we got a good one. We were deep into her, 547 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: we were you got into that around eleven o'clock today 548 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: you got you were like a dog with a bone. 549 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: You know, It's just what I was gonna say. I'm 550 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: like a dog with a bone with this thing. I 551 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: can't let it go. Why you you you came up 552 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: through that system? I know, I know. Did you feel 553 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: at you kidding me? I was getting over I thought 554 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: I was like awesome. I was playing in the Big ten. 555 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: I didn't have any any I mean, I had dreams 556 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: to play in the NFL, but I knew I was 557 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: smart enough. No, man, it's going to take a couple 558 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: of things that happened just my way to get a 559 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: chance to even get a whiff. You know, I'm not 560 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: gonna get I didn't think I was gonna get drafted. 561 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: I didn't think I was going to get a chance 562 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: to try out, and and and I did you know, 563 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: so I felt fortunate. In your senior year at Northwestern, 564 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: the prospect of a potential NFL job had to be 565 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: somewhere in the back of your head. If you had 566 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: blown out your knee in your senior year with one 567 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: game to play or whatever, right, would you have thought 568 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: to yourself, Man, this system is not working for me. No, 569 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: huh no, because it's it's kind of what you're saying 570 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: about the Zion Williams and say that. No, I was 571 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: ready to play in the NFL, probably be a middle 572 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: round graphic. I was ready to come into the NFL 573 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: as young Steve Tasker. And now I can't because I 574 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: blew out my knee. What did I bought? My shoes 575 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: fell apart, and I blew out my knee? What did 576 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: I what was all that about? Felt a little bit cheated, 577 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: a little bit. No, I would have felt disappointed that 578 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: I never got a chance to maybe give it a 579 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: shot or maybe pursue it. But I never really thought 580 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: it was gonna happen. I thought it was gonna be 581 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's a pipe dream. And I didn't think 582 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: I was even gonna get an opportunity. I didn't think 583 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: I was even gonna get signed to a rookie free 584 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: agent contract, let alone drafted, because and that never happened 585 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: until after the season was over, when I started running 586 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: for scouts and Scott and I never I didn't get 587 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: invited to the combine. I wasn't even that good. I 588 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: didn't get invited. I had scouts that would drop by 589 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: at a moment's notice to the Northwestern's campus and I'd 590 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: get I'd get a notification, they'd call me or whatever, 591 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: like heynck On tomorrow, the Bengals guy is gonna be here. 592 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: Can you be there at ten twenty am? I was like, 593 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: you bet, you know, so I'd be there right right. 594 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, so it was different. I'm I'm I think 595 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: more the norm than a guy like Zion Williamson. You 596 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: were more than I was, more than norm, maybe maybe subnorm. 597 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: But there are more potential pro athletes in your situation 598 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: than in Zion Williamson's, obviously, that's what you're saying, right, Yeah. 599 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: Well absolutely, the league, Well, the NFL's big, bigger than 600 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: it is, I mean bigger, I mean bigger, Pete, more 601 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: people in it, more guys more players by far. Hey 602 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: what do you make of you know? And it's a 603 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: lot of it. I ascribe to people willing to take 604 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: shots at the big target, Nikes, as big a target 605 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: as you get on the American sports landscape. Zion Williamson 606 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: wearing Nikes his shoes blowout leading to the injury to 607 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: his right knee last night in the game against North Carolina. 608 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: Duke is a Nike school. Obviously they probably get paid 609 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: and Duke gets again the money millions of dollars to 610 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,719 Speaker 1: wear and promote Nike uniforms, shoes, the whole thing. But 611 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: many people today are just noting the what um, It's 612 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: not irony, it's it's it's notable that the Nike shoes 613 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: blow out for the pre eminent college basketball player in 614 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: the country, leading to a knee injury that's going to 615 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: take him out of the lineup for a little bit. 616 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: It's it's worth noting. I don't know if it's worth 617 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: poking fun at Nike. They certainly don't try to make 618 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: bad shoes, but they make a lot of shoes, and 619 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: there's gonna be there probably deficient shoes. He hear me, 620 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: I told you when I was I played high school basketball. 621 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: And I was a small town. I mean, everybody played 622 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: every sport, right, so it was that small of the school. 623 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: My shoe blow out exactly like that, just like that 624 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: in a game. And that was thirty years ago, twenty 625 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: eight years ago. It was like forty years ago. Um. 626 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: Now I didn't get hurt. I didn't go down like 627 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: he did. Um because I was a little wiry kid, 628 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't a big big Yeah, it happened 629 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: to me exactly like that, and it's not a big deal. 630 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean I came off borrowed, and of course I 631 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: had to borrow a pair of shoes. They didn't have 632 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: like sixteen pair of my shoes in my locker like 633 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: they do with Zion weakness and right, But it's amazing 634 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: to see that shoe blow out and he and he 635 00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: walks off and listen, if that doesn't happen, he that 636 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: that injury is because that shoe blew out. Yep, there's 637 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Now, maybe you can say that 638 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: he would have rolled his ankle or something, but you know, 639 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: he's made that move a thousand times. Yeah. I don't 640 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: know anything about shoe manufacturers, but I'm sure it has 641 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: something to do with the force exerted by Zion Williamson 642 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: and the sharp cuts he's juiced in making, and the 643 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: desire for all these players and football players too, they 644 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: have the lightest possible foot where they can. Right, you 645 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: don't want something that feels heavy, but you want something 646 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: that gives you support. And there was a fine line 647 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: there and everybody's line. And here's the thing, too, is 648 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: everybody's different. Yeah. I mean you look back at this, 649 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: you think about how far the shoe. I mean, we 650 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 1: talked about Pete talk about technology. You look back at 651 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: Bill Russell, Wilt chamber on those those guys are playing 652 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: in canvas, Chuck Taylor's you know, back in the day, 653 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: and they those things never blew out. You know those 654 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: things will be around after the apocalypse. But you know 655 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: those things there were tanks, but now you know the 656 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: leather uppers and all that stuff. These shoes and plus, 657 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: let's face it, these guys were like size fifteen shoes. 658 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they just pop them off 659 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: the assembly line. I think they I don't know whether 660 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: they get them custom fit or whatever, but you can 661 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: bet it's harder to make a shoe size fifteen than 662 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: it is size you know ten And I also think 663 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: in many cases, great players, especially big great players like 664 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson, put those shoes strong players. Yeah, they're making 665 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: sharp cuts. He weighs over two hundred and fifty pounds. 666 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: He's moving fast, cutting hard, and he's got athleticism that 667 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: most shoes don't have to deal with. Right, And I'm 668 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: not coming to Nike's rescue here, but it's hard to do. 669 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: You get guys that are outside the norm either. You 670 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: should have heard Roy Williams the North Carolina go not 671 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: of course to this pregame, but also post game. He 672 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: was listen, that whole game changed when he came out. 673 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: He's different. He's a different cat, just like Lebron's a 674 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: different cat, like Wilt Chamberlain was a different cat. You 675 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: get these guys that are outside the norms. It's hard 676 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: to build equipment for him. Like that. Carolina won the 677 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: game of handling, and that had a lot to do 678 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: with it, obviously Williamson's injury. The former president was there, 679 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: that was kind of cool seeming, Barack Obama right behind 680 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: Duke's bench, and when Williamson came out, he's encouraging him 681 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: and stuff. There's pretty cool. Yeah, he's a hoop fan 682 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, Yeah, thinks he's pretty good. I don't 683 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: know if he should. Hey, we're gonna hear how he 684 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: feels about paying college. I'd like to hear what the 685 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: former president has um. All Right, our topic of the 686 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: day is not about college athletes, not about Zion Williamson. 687 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: It is about the Bills because that's what our show 688 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: is one Bills live and and about. You know, we 689 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: know we talk about Josh Allen all the time, right, 690 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: and we're not tired of it. We'll talk about him 691 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: whenever you want. But Bills have some work to do 692 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: on other the other side of the ball as well, 693 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: including defense. A good young defense finished second in the 694 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: league last year. There's some candidates we believe and our 695 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: producer candidates for guys who are gonna take the next 696 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: step in their careers on the Buffalo defense. And our 697 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: question today show topic Twitter poll who will be the 698 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: breakout player on defense for the Buffalo Bills In twenty nineteen, 699 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: we were talking about it, thinking about making it the 700 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: whole roster, who'd be the breakout player? And we thought, well, 701 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna get Josh. Everybody's gonna say Josh right, so 702 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 1: we limited to defense. Who will be the breakout player 703 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: defensively for the Buffalo Bills in twenty nineteen. You can 704 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: call us up let us know what you think eight 705 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: oh three oh five fifty or toll free one eight 706 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty. You can tweet 707 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: in a response. We'll read it on the air on 708 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: our tweet sheet. You can vote in the Twitter poll. 709 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: The Twitter polls up. We've got more than five hundred 710 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: votes in so far. Who will be the breakout player 711 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: on defense for the Bills in twenty nineteen? Could it 712 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: be Levi Wallace? Starting corner at the end of the 713 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: year last handful of games, did a pretty good job, 714 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: got very high grades from some of the grading sites, 715 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus, etc. Levi Wallace an undrafted rookie free 716 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: agent from Alabama a year ago. Would he be a 717 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: good candidate for the Bills breakout player on defense? Could 718 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: it be Jack Lawson in what should be an important 719 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: year for his career right last year or the former 720 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: first round draft pick under the contract does not appear 721 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: that the Bills are gonna exercise their fifth year option, 722 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: so Shack goes into year four, had some good moments 723 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: last year. Bills need more pass rush pressure, maybe they 724 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: get it from Shack Lawson. Will Shack Lawson be the 725 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: breakout player on defense? Could it be Tremaine Edmonds, last 726 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: year's first round draft pick. The middle linebacker had a 727 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: pretty solid rookie year, Certainly room for improvement. Certainly by 728 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: the end of the year, Tremaine Edmonds was making a 729 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: lot more plays and appearing to be a lot more comfortable. 730 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: Is there somebody else you have in mind? On the 731 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: Twitter poll right now, with five votes in seventy two 732 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: percent of you say the breakout player on defense will 733 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: be Tremaine Edmonds. Eleven percent say Levi Wallace the corner, 734 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: eleven percent say Shack Lawson, six percent have somebody else 735 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: in mind? Give us a call. Let's discuss eight oh 736 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: three oh five fifty toll free one eight eight eight 737 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty. I would go with Tremaine Edmonds, 738 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: And I know he's the chalk right now, but I 739 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: just think he had some good moments, got better as 740 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: the year one along. I think Tremaine Edmonds has a 741 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: comfort level in this defense that he'll be able to maintain. 742 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: Now calling the plays defensively, getting people lined up and thought. 743 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: By the end of the year, he began to let 744 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: his athleticism shine, and I think he is a superior athlete. 745 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: Obviously he's got great size, needs more work I think 746 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: in terms of dropping into coverage, and maybe he can 747 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: be even a more effective pass rusher. But it might 748 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: pick for the breakout player defensively for the Bills would 749 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: be the guy who's got the ton of talent Jeremy 750 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 1: and Edmunds. He'd be my pick. You got anybody see, 751 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: I hate to do it, but I gotta agree with 752 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: you because it's easy to look around that roster and say, hey, 753 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: Matt Malone's got to bounce back and they need a 754 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: big year from him. He need a guy like Harrison 755 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: Phillips to come in and take over for Kyle Williams. 756 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: He could be a breakout player for the Bills. You'd 757 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: like to see Trent Murphy come in and earn the 758 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: money he signing the big contract coming over from the Skins. 759 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: Maybe get weak because the Bills need an edge rusher. 760 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: Maybe his presence on the other side of Jerry Hughes 761 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: gives this defense some help because Jerry Hughes is accepted 762 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: as a as a very good, if not elite, pass 763 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: rusher in the NFL. He gets very productive on the 764 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: other side, and they need some help away from him 765 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: to help. So maybe one of those guys could make 766 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: a case for But for me, you said it right there, Murphy. 767 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: At the end of the season, you started to see 768 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: him just play athletically, just play free. You know, he 769 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 1: knew what he was doing. He had a good hand 770 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: on it. He was starting to see teams, particularly at 771 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: the end of the year. In that last game against 772 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: the Dolphins, where he'd seen that team once before. He 773 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: kind of felt more comfortable in that game, and you 774 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 1: saw him get a sack, you saw him run around 775 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: and make all those plays. You saw him just play 776 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,479 Speaker 1: more free athletically, and that's when a player's is best. 777 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen the best of Tremaine Edmonds. 778 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: You look at Tredavious White, you know, what more does 779 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: he have to do? I mean, he's a he's a 780 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: truly great player already. But Tremaine Edmonds is one of 781 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: those guys that I think does have another gear and 782 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna be on the field enough to show it 783 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: to us, and he's gonna get and I think mentally 784 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: he's gonna catch up to where his body is physically 785 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: and he'll be able to play free and be more productive. 786 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: I hope that's the case he breaks out. Who do 787 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: you got who will be the Bill's breakout player on defense? 788 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen from the tweet sheet from Wandering Jack, 789 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: he says Edmonds had an excellent rookie year, but a 790 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: full year in a pro offseason program and in the 791 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: film room, he can become a defensive superstar. Luke Keathley. 792 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: In mcdermot's system, a dark horse is horrible. Harry Harrison Phillips, 793 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: he was a beast. I don't know if he was 794 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: a beast. I think I think the Bills would like 795 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: to get more from Harrison Phillips, don't you think so. 796 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: We talked about putting him on the breakout player list, 797 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: but personally I did not see enough from him in 798 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: his rookie year to think that he would be a 799 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: strong candidate to breakout and have a big role to play. 800 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: There's opportunity there. Col Williams has gone. Somebody in the 801 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: middle of that defense are gonna have to jump up. 802 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 1: Maybe it's gonna be Jordan Phillips. Maybe Jordan Phillips belonged 803 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: on this list, but yeah, I think Edmonds is my 804 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: tap candidate that would be the guy I would I agree, 805 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: I agree. And when we mentioned Matt Milano too, He's 806 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: a guy that has always i mean, even from the 807 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 1: word go, he always played instinctively. He's really been one 808 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: of those guys that kind of came out and didn't 809 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: worry about or didn't look like he was worried about. Wow, 810 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: I've got to drop six steps here. I gotta drop 811 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: into this curl hook zone and then I'm gonna do 812 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: what Then I'm gonna wait and see what I'm supposed 813 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: to do next, and if he does this, I do. 814 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: Milano just came out and started running around. He knew 815 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: what his assignments were. Don't get me wrong. I'm just 816 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: saying Milana was a guy who just ended up around 817 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: the football all the time, and that's why he was 818 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: so productive. I mean, the guy just played instinctively and 819 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: you never heard him, you know, so having said that, 820 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: you never heard him complain like how Milana was kind 821 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: of in the wrong spot he was doing. The guy's 822 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: always around the football and that's not easy to do 823 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: all the time. And so when he comes back, and 824 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: as I think he will, I've seen him around the facilities. Yeah, 825 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: I saw him. It's been a week or two, but 826 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: he's around, you know, starting to bristle at the training 827 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: staff because they're saying, hey, you can't do that. You 828 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: gotta wait, and you know you gotta wait another two weeks. 829 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: That it is a good sign. That's that's typical of 830 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: a football player wanting to do more on their rehab 831 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: than they really want him to do. Those guys want 832 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: to you know, you want to work hard and then 833 00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: you know you set yourself back if you do that. 834 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: It's good to see him in He's you know, you 835 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: forget you kind of forget about guys when they get hurt, 836 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: you know, until you see him coming around and they're 837 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: working hard trying to get back out of Matt Malone's 838 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: one of those guys. So it's fun to think about 839 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: him bouncing back from what was headed towards a really 840 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: good year before was derailed. I gotta tweet about Milana. 841 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: Did you read that? Is he got there? Eli Padilla says, 842 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: I think it will be Matt Milano. He has shown 843 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: awesome potential and was getting better. That's a good point. 844 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: He was getting better, wasn't he? And yeah, left the 845 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: lineup after the Jets game in early December, but there 846 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: was kind of a gradual improvement to Milano's game. Big 847 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: plays is Steve mentioned a lot of plays around the ball, 848 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: and I think he could break out. He could get better, 849 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 1: and the number one priority for him will to get healthy. 850 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: That's like what he's got to do first. So yeah, 851 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: come back and being contributed and it's all and he's 852 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: Matt Milano's an easy named. Tiffany Daniels also says I 853 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: voted to other because he loves Matt Milano's game. He's 854 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,479 Speaker 1: versatile linebacker, has great instincts, having a solid season before 855 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: he got hurt. I see him coming back strong with 856 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: this broken leg and making a big plays throughout the 857 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season. Mat Milano's really quickly be burst onto 858 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: the scene for Bills fans, and he's never left even 859 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: when he got hurt. Another one from the tweet sheet, 860 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: I say, Shack Lawson on the condition that we draft 861 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: his teammate Christian Wilkins, let the Tigers loose. Clemson Tigers 862 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: Wilkins is a defensive tackle from Clemson. Charlie Casserley, who 863 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 1: is an NFL former GM on an NFL media person, 864 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: now covers the league. He says he had the Bills 865 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 1: taking him in a mock draft. So Charlie Castley thinks 866 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: the Bills might be looking at at Christian Wilkins, the 867 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: defensive tackle out of Clemson, and that would be could 868 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: made him with Shack Lawson, the Clemson Tigers would come 869 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: up to Buffalo and Reek Havoc. Okay, all right, more 870 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: on this. He'll be the Bills breakout player on defense 871 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. If you have thoughts on Steve's topic 872 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 1: of the day about now, what are you laughing about? 873 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: You felt passionate about a minute ago. I have strong 874 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: feels about it because everybody's got this opinion about it. 875 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: I lived it, yeah, and I got some and I 876 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: you don't tell me they're being unfair to these athletes. 877 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: They are. And you can say what you want to 878 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: be incruple Murphy. Everybody's gonna cheat in life. There's gonna 879 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: be cheaters everywhere. You can't say that's what's wrong with 880 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: the business. You can How would you fix it? How 881 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 1: would you fix the business us? You know, what would 882 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: you do with the money? I guess is the real thing? 883 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: You give it to the players say no, I wouldn't 884 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: do that. I wouldn't do that because then you get 885 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: money out of it. That's what I say. Yeah, you're 886 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: not gonna do that, though, I mean, that's why not. 887 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,879 Speaker 1: The reason it exists is because of the money. No, no, no, no, 888 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: no no. There was college sports before the money got crazy. Yes, 889 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,359 Speaker 1: there were tons of Yeah, nobody cared. Well, yeah, maybe 890 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: that's what we need we don't need. Maybe money is 891 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: the corrupting agent. We have all this passion that we 892 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: need to get rid of and just not care anymore. 893 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: From College Athletic and Little Go Away, we're gonna take 894 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: a break. We're coming back with more. The phone line's open. 895 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: You can discuss whatever you'd like. Eight oh three five 896 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,439 Speaker 1: fifty toll free one eight eight five fifty two five 897 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: fifty one Bills Live from One Bill's Drive. And this 898 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back, One Goals Live from 899 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: One Goals Drive, John Murphy see Tasker one Buffalo Studio. 900 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: The boat shows going on in the other room. A 901 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: lot of nice boats in there. Steam they always catch. 902 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,839 Speaker 1: It's like every time you go shop and windows shop. 903 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: Me's like, you see a lot of stuff looks really 904 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: good in the store, but you got to think about 905 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: what it's gonna mean if you buy it. Yeah. I 906 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: had that conversation yesterday and the boat show with his 907 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: name is Rob from smith Boys, one of the marinas. 908 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: They have a product, and there are a ton of boats. 909 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,240 Speaker 1: And I asked him a basic question. I said, what's 910 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 1: the average number of days a Buffalo boat owner uses 911 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: his boat? Because you know, you feel the same way 912 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: I think about this. I'd like, man, I'd get a boat, 913 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: but when are we gonna I'm gonna have it any 914 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: July and August maybe. And you know he gave you 915 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: the industry answer too. He tell me the Buffalo industry. 916 00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 1: And did I tell you this? Yeah, I said, believe 917 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: it or and I trust him. I'm sure this is right, 918 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 1: believe it or not. The average boat owner in Buffalo 919 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: gets the same usage out of their boat on an 920 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: annual basis as a boat owner in Florida. And you 921 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: were like what I was And he said really, And 922 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,920 Speaker 1: he had a great rationality. He said, here's the reason. 923 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: When you're in Florida. Today's forty or today's eighty and 924 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: sunny and calm water. It's gonna be that way tomorrow. 925 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: We can't. Let's not do it today, We'll do it 926 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: tom They put it off, they take it for granted 927 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,879 Speaker 1: and don't go out as often. And in Buffalo, when 928 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: you get a good day boat go, yeah we're going. 929 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: You gotta use those days. Right, So he says, on average, 930 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: you use it in Buffalo about as often as you 931 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: do in Florida. But the attitude is different. Obviously, Yeah 932 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: you got you gotta use it in in Buffalo and 933 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: Florida you can use it whenever you want. That's the difference. 934 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: Rob was a good salesman because he's sold me that, 935 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 1: and I didn't dispute it because he's the expert. And 936 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: then he started talking about the smart way to do it, 937 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: where to keep your boat, how you need to have 938 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: it accessible ready to go in the water, so you 939 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: don't have to trailer. It's somewhere. Go through all that 940 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: every time you want to use it. He said. The 941 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: people who normally wind up getting rid of their boats 942 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: after a year or two in Buffalo are those who 943 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: haven't on a trailer and say, well, let's drive here 944 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,319 Speaker 1: and launch our boat. You said that aggs in an hour, 945 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: at least an hour and a half in and out 946 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: to every boat excursion you take, he said. The smart 947 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: people pay the money and get a slip somewhere, you know, 948 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 1: and just knock it up somewhere, go out to the 949 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: boat and turn them and cut it on and go. Yeah, 950 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: that's right, he's selling me. I told him. I talked 951 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: him again. By the end of the week, I'll probably 952 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: have a boat parked outside that I hope you do, 953 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: because it's always better have a friend with a boat. Yeah, 954 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: there's some great looking boats, and I don't I don't 955 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: want to big listen. I don't even I'm not a 956 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: boat guy. I told you, I get csick. Yeah, but man, 957 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: oh man, when you walk through the boat show, you 958 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 1: want a boat, and they got every size you could 959 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: ever really want a boat. Oh my gosh, everything from 960 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: the skit you know, to do you know the jet 961 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: skis jet skis to cabin cruiser. Yeah, oh my god, 962 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: it's great. And and plus all the accessories, the docks, 963 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: the floating docks and all that yigity act. I was 964 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: actually in the in the market forward floating. I got 965 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: a pond in the back, you know. Yeah, And what 966 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,760 Speaker 1: did you want? A boat? No, a dock? A floating 967 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: dockor you get out on the water and not have 968 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: to climb in from the bank of the pond, you 969 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: know that kind of thing. So I like a floating 970 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 1: dock better than a than a posted you know, solid 971 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: did you'd have to swim to or no? No, no, 972 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: off the off the bank? Okay, So you know I 973 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: got you. That's the only thing I would Actually, they've 974 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: got all that out there. I know, I know I 975 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 1: was there, all right. Well, the boat show goes on. No, 976 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: Don Lacy, we expected to hear from him, just signed 977 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: to a new contract with the Bills. Going into his 978 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: third season with the Bills, special teamer made some key plays. 979 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: I remember what that's like. Man, you signed that new contract, 980 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: and oh, I don't back exactly. I'm like, I am 981 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: so done, I'm gonna I'm gonna go work out or something. 982 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. We didn't hear from him, We did not. 983 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: That's our bad our. Twitter poll who will be the 984 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,279 Speaker 1: breakout player on the Bill's defense. Nobody is voting for 985 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: Dan Lacy, but seventy two percent of voting for tremin Edmonds, 986 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: eleven percent for Shack Lawson, ten percent for Levi Wallace, 987 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 1: seven percent of somebody else in my on the tweet 988 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: sheet from Ronnie Eastam Harrison Phillips, he says, certainly deserves 989 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: the nomination, but I'm going with Levi Wallace. He is 990 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,319 Speaker 1: an undrafted player. No one outside of the Bills fan 991 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: base knows teams will shy away from Trey White and 992 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: soon realize Wallace is no pushover. He'll finish top five 993 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: in the league for pass breakups. Oh that's a bold prediction, man, 994 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,399 Speaker 1: it's a smart Yeah. Take two I think looks another level. 995 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: We talked about a pro football focus and the various 996 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: sites that great players gave Levi Wallace an extremely high 997 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: grade enough to get your attention. You're like, whoa, really, 998 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: he did play pretty well And and the our tweet 999 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: partner there, Ronnie Eastam is right. Teams are avoiding Trodevius 1000 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,720 Speaker 1: going the other way. That's where they run into Levi Wallace. 1001 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: I think that's a couple of good points made by 1002 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: Ronnie east We had, yeah, and you talk about team 1003 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: players having breakout seasons and what it means, and we've 1004 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: we've kind of half heartedly joked. I'm really joked, but 1005 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 1: this is, you know, the happiest six and ten franchising 1006 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: the league because we feel, you know, Bills fans and 1007 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: you and I both Burth feel like it was last 1008 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: year was a springboard and we're headed up. There are 1009 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: other franchises around the league that are not the Jacksonville Jaguars. 1010 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: I don't think you can dispute. They took a big 1011 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 1: step backward last year and they kind of rolled all 1012 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: their chips to the table trying to win that tremendous 1013 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 1: defense two years ago that got into the championship game. 1014 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: They could not finish the deal against New England and 1015 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: the championship game, but they did go into Pittsburgh and 1016 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: win a big time shootout against the Steelers, And you 1017 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: talk about the window of opportunity and you think about this. 1018 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:33,840 Speaker 1: So the Jaguars with Tom Coughlin Blake Bortles their quarterback. 1019 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: He said after their last game he does not expect 1020 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 1: to be back with the Jacksonville Jaguars. So, and we 1021 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: all know Blake Bortles has been the butt of jokes. 1022 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 1: The Jaguars are going to pay take a twenty million 1023 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: dollar cap hit this year for Blake Bortles. Blake Bortles 1024 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: is costing the Jacks twenty million dollars this year. I 1025 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 1: don't know if they recover from that. I mean, they're trying. 1026 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,479 Speaker 1: They're in the they're in the market for Nick Foles. 1027 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,439 Speaker 1: So if they get Nick Foles plus have twenty million 1028 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 1: dollars for Blake Bortles, that'll be what fifty million bucks 1029 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 1: they're spending on one spot and one of those guys 1030 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,759 Speaker 1: isn't even on their roster. I don't think they can 1031 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: recover from that. Yeah, that's a bad, bad move. Oh well, yeah, 1032 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 1: all right, so much for that, and we'll see if 1033 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 1: j Jalen Ramsey what he what he thinks about that? 1034 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,880 Speaker 1: When they don't play the Bills this year, though, do they? 1035 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: They do not? They do not. I think that's a 1036 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: that's a rivalry that's going away this year. Yeah I 1037 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:39,759 Speaker 1: do too, but no, Yeah, that's uh, that is that's 1038 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,359 Speaker 1: a window that I think has slam shut. All Right, 1039 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: we got a break here. Andrew Brandt, who covers the 1040 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: business of sports, something that we've spent a lot of 1041 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: time talking about. In the first hour of the show. 1042 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: He'll be joining us when we return, Come on back. 1043 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Klaida Health from One Bill's Drive. 1044 00:50:53,480 --> 00:51:09,360 Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio Bills Radio Network Stories. Update 1045 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,840 Speaker 1: update from One Bill's Drive with the Bills announced that 1046 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 1: they have resigned one of their key special teamers from 1047 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: a year ago. They're bringing back linebacker Dion Lacy a 1048 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,360 Speaker 1: one year contract agreement. Lacey's played the last two seasons 1049 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: for the Bills, thirty two games in all. He's twenty 1050 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: eight years old. He was third on the team and 1051 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,239 Speaker 1: special teams tackles last year, behind Sir and Neil and 1052 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: Lafayette Pitts. Dion Lacy was an exclusive Bright free agent. 1053 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,600 Speaker 1: He has resigned with the Buffalo Bills. Steelers general manager 1054 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert says that the Pittsburgh Steelers are unquestionably Ben 1055 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,840 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger's team. He says Roethlisberger is the unquestioned leader of 1056 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,720 Speaker 1: the Steelers locker room and has the freedom to publicly 1057 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: criticize teammates if he sees fit. That in response to 1058 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,719 Speaker 1: questions after the Antonio Brown situation has gone big in 1059 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,400 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh this last week. Biggest question for the Jacksonville Jaguars 1060 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,239 Speaker 1: the quarterback position Jaguars president Tom Coughlin, who was asked 1061 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: about the future aboordal chesterday. He says, Blake is the 1062 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: quarterback with the Jaguars right now, and right now is 1063 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,720 Speaker 1: the key to that response. The dangers of Lamar Jackson 1064 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,959 Speaker 1: running too much overrated, according to his offensive coordinator, Greg Roman, 1065 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: now the Ravens offensive coordinator. He says, the whole danger 1066 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,480 Speaker 1: thing is a little bit overrated. He plans on using 1067 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson running the football again in his second year 1068 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,320 Speaker 1: in the league. Hockey News the Savers in Tampa tonight. 1069 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,799 Speaker 1: They play the Lightning tonight at Tampa Bay based off 1070 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 1: at seven thirty. Casey Middlestat as a point in each 1071 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: of his career road games against Tampa, including his first 1072 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: NHL goal on April eighth. The NHL trade deadline three 1073 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 1: pm on Monday. This show will not be on Monday. 1074 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 1: The Hockey Instigator Show will be a five hour show 1075 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: starting at ten am on Monday. Duke freshman sensation Zion 1076 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,120 Speaker 1: Williamson forced out of last night's game against North Carolina 1077 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,399 Speaker 1: after just thirty six seconds of play. Duke coach Mike 1078 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: Cheschefski calls says it's a mild niece Brain. The Blue 1079 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 1: Devils lost to North Carolina last night eighty eight seventy 1080 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,279 Speaker 1: two the final score. And that's the update from One 1081 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,760 Speaker 1: Bill Drive, John Murphy Steve Tasker in our one Buffalo 1082 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,360 Speaker 1: studio beginning now. We're number two. One of our favorite 1083 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,080 Speaker 1: guests on the line with us right now, sports business expert, 1084 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,759 Speaker 1: the host of the Business of Sports podcasts and a 1085 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,799 Speaker 1: contributor on a weekly basis to MMQB dot SI dot com. 1086 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,799 Speaker 1: Happy to have Andrew Brant on the line with us 1087 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,480 Speaker 1: on the Subway Fresh Take Online. Good afternoon, Andrew, Thanks 1088 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 1: for joining us day. We really appreciate the good afternoon. 1089 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,239 Speaker 1: Good to be with you, guys. It's always Steve and 1090 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: I have been in a I don't know if it's 1091 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 1: a heated discussion, but an intricate discussion about Zion Williamson 1092 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,320 Speaker 1: and what it all means, what it means to the 1093 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:44,520 Speaker 1: concept of amateurism in college sports. I'm just blown away 1094 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,799 Speaker 1: by what a big deal this has become. People get 1095 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,920 Speaker 1: injured all the time. Why are we having debates about 1096 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,840 Speaker 1: the fairness of amateur standing for college basketball players? What 1097 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: do you think? Yeah, I'm a little cynical today. It 1098 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,320 Speaker 1: just seems like all these people come out of the work. 1099 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,080 Speaker 1: It happened when Trevor Lawrence had a good game in 1100 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: the National Championship and people were like, wait a minute, 1101 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 1: he can't come out of college. Well, it's been the 1102 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,399 Speaker 1: rule forever, and now people are realizing Wait, I don't 1103 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,920 Speaker 1: know what they're thinking now what he's still in college 1104 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,839 Speaker 1: and could get paid. I don't know what all this 1105 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,160 Speaker 1: is the problem that people have. As I tweeted this morning, 1106 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,280 Speaker 1: First of all, understand what the rules are. The rules 1107 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,319 Speaker 1: are eligibility rules and have absolutely nothing to do with 1108 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,799 Speaker 1: college sports. They have to do with pro sports. So 1109 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,800 Speaker 1: the rule you need a year removed from high school 1110 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 1: in the NBA and the year and three years removed 1111 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: from high school in football are not, to emphasize, not 1112 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 1: NCAA rules. They are NBA and NFL rules. They have 1113 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 1: nothing to do with colleges or conferences or schools. They 1114 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 1: have to do it pro sports. Why are those rules 1115 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,799 Speaker 1: in place, Andrew? Because they were negotiated collectively. Well, I 1116 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,680 Speaker 1: know what, I know how they got there, But why 1117 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,880 Speaker 1: are there? What was the rationale? Do you know? I mean, 1118 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,800 Speaker 1: it's a good question because I remember back in the 1119 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,440 Speaker 1: day when I was in Green Bay. Jean Upshaw used 1120 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,200 Speaker 1: to come and do his annual visits and we have 1121 00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,240 Speaker 1: a nice visit every you know, I was an agent. 1122 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: I knew seen and I asked about that once, just 1123 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 1: like just like you asked me, and he just looked 1124 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,480 Speaker 1: at me and he said, can you imagine a nineteen 1125 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: year old running into ray Lewis? And you know that 1126 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:43,239 Speaker 1: that sounds nice? But Jadeveon Clowney could run into ray Lewis, 1127 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:48,799 Speaker 1: I mean at nineteen. So it's a I don't know 1128 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 1: why I think that it's a co opt between the 1129 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,799 Speaker 1: union and the league to pardon my French, screw the 1130 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,400 Speaker 1: young players because who cares about that? I mean, where's 1131 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:07,480 Speaker 1: their representation and collective bargaining? It's not Yeah, So I 1132 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:12,439 Speaker 1: always say this, the easiest issue in collective bargaining is rookies. Right, 1133 00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,359 Speaker 1: They're gonna fight about franchise tagging money, and they're gonna 1134 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: fight about commissioner power, and they're gonna fight about this. 1135 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,279 Speaker 1: Let's just get the rookies out of the way and 1136 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,359 Speaker 1: screw that. I mean, that's easy, that's easy. Andrew, Can 1137 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,279 Speaker 1: I offer this possible explanation for why that rule is 1138 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 1: in place. And I said this the last hour to Steve, 1139 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,560 Speaker 1: and I don't want to sound jaded or cynical, but 1140 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,400 Speaker 1: I think the leagues have an interest in protecting a 1141 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:40,000 Speaker 1: developmental device, both NBA and NFL and B. I also 1142 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,439 Speaker 1: think there's so much money at stake, so much TV 1143 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,439 Speaker 1: money at stake, that they all kind of say, hey, 1144 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,799 Speaker 1: let's keep this going. We're all making money. Networks you're 1145 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 1: making money. Conferences, schools, you're making money. NFL and the 1146 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 1: NBA certainly are making enough money. I just think it's 1147 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,000 Speaker 1: sort of a it's economically driven by by entities that 1148 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,400 Speaker 1: want to see everybody continue to, you know, cash in 1149 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 1: on the olden cow. What do you think? Yeah, and listen, 1150 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sound like a shill here for college sports 1151 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 1: because I am against the paper play because of to me, 1152 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 1: the issue is more equity among college athletes than worrying 1153 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 1: about the Zion Williamson's and the Johnny Manzell's and the 1154 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:28,640 Speaker 1: pick a name Trevor Lawrence. Right, those are the outliers. Gosh, 1155 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's so you gotta pay this guy? Or 1156 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,080 Speaker 1: are you gonna pay the third string offensive lineman? I mean, 1157 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,320 Speaker 1: are you gonna pay the fourteenth man on the bench 1158 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,200 Speaker 1: and college basketball, are you gonna pay women's athletes? That 1159 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,920 Speaker 1: was that was my point too. Yeah, Andrew, You're you 1160 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: gotta make rules for the entire group of players. And 1161 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,280 Speaker 1: you've got guys that that fall outside that. You've got 1162 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,640 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson, You've got and I mentioned a bunch of guys, 1163 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,480 Speaker 1: Connie Hawkins and Darryl Dawkins and these guys that have 1164 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 1: been outside the norm. You don't make the rules for 1165 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,480 Speaker 1: those guys. You make the rules for everybody else, and 1166 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,400 Speaker 1: those guys kind of fallow out. Yeah, you can say, 1167 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 1: you can say Zion Williamson is maybe sacrificing one year 1168 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,960 Speaker 1: of a pro deal because he has to play in 1169 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,959 Speaker 1: the NCAA. But the rules are there, and for me too, 1170 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,600 Speaker 1: for the for most fore percent of the players and 1171 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:23,480 Speaker 1: athletes in Division one, right, right, and listen, I run 1172 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 1: a program my day job, of all all my six jobs, 1173 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,280 Speaker 1: I run a program at Villanova University. We have won 1174 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 1: two of the last three NCAA basketball championships, two of 1175 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: the last three. That program makes maybe a couple of 1176 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:46,360 Speaker 1: million dollars, Okay, two of the last three championships. Maybe 1177 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: we made a million or two dollars out of that program. 1178 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 1: College football makes a lot more, even if you're an 1179 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,000 Speaker 1: average team. But in Villanova we have twenty five sports, 1180 00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 1: right one one makes money one. So imagine paying twenty 1181 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,919 Speaker 1: four sports that are already in a deficit. And that's 1182 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,439 Speaker 1: that's universal, that's not just here right now. What would 1183 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,240 Speaker 1: happen though? I mean that's the real problem too, is 1184 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 1: it not, Andrew? Because if if you do turn it 1185 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,720 Speaker 1: loose like that, wouldn't team wouldn't you know? Universities like 1186 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: Alabama just say, hey, we've got two sports. We've got basketball, 1187 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,040 Speaker 1: we've got football. We don't have a diving team, a 1188 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 1: baseball team, we don't have a field hockey team. They 1189 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: just all those other sports would go to the waistie. Well, 1190 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,040 Speaker 1: that's the argument. And you know, people who are you 1191 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,560 Speaker 1: paid for place? They know they won't. You'll just maybe 1192 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,120 Speaker 1: you wouldn't pay Nick Saban twelve million a year. You 1193 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,160 Speaker 1: pay six million a year. That's not enough money. And 1194 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,360 Speaker 1: then the question is, well Nick Saban will go somewhere 1195 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 1: else for twelve million a year. So I don't know 1196 00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,640 Speaker 1: Lineral what the answer is, but I do think a 1197 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:02,800 Speaker 1: real question to ask about zyn William say, eight months ago, 1198 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,920 Speaker 1: he could have gone to a G league or something 1199 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,800 Speaker 1: like that for like one hundred thousand dollars. One hundred 1200 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,720 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, do you think he'd go to G league 1201 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,240 Speaker 1: or go to Duke? I get it. I'm totally with you. 1202 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm totally I agree he turned down one hundred thousand 1203 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: dollars and go to Duke. And I think all those 1204 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Duke guys would. Why why is that, Andrew? Why do 1205 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,520 Speaker 1: you believe that? Because I think too, basketball is a 1206 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:34,160 Speaker 1: big is a bigger brand than G League. And I 1207 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,160 Speaker 1: also say this, what if he was in high school, 1208 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:41,920 Speaker 1: came out and got drafted by Orlando or Sacramento, I 1209 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,280 Speaker 1: think he'd rather go to Duke. Yeah, well, there you go. 1210 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,080 Speaker 1: That's a good point too. And I agree with you 1211 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,480 Speaker 1: that UM, But I don't want to ask you to 1212 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,000 Speaker 1: after we put this kind of this, we fixed the 1213 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 1: NCAA problem, I got something else I want to ask 1214 01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:00,800 Speaker 1: you to. M Colin Kaepernick settled his UM his suit 1215 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,280 Speaker 1: with the NFL. What are the ramifications of that? And 1216 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 1: I know nobody knows the amount of the settlement, But 1217 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,920 Speaker 1: do you think now that that has all happened to 1218 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,280 Speaker 1: come to his fruition. Do you think teams are going 1219 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: to be more willing to sign him or what do 1220 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,920 Speaker 1: you think the ripple effect is, Steve, I don't think 1221 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,600 Speaker 1: he'll ever sign and I think the owners would rather 1222 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,960 Speaker 1: pay him as a what I would guess like a 1223 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,040 Speaker 1: third string than sign him. And I'm guessing it just 1224 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,960 Speaker 1: is just total guests that the settlement is basically like 1225 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,680 Speaker 1: thirty million a million a team, which is what a 1226 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:37,000 Speaker 1: third stringer costs quarterback. So they're basically each team's paying 1227 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:42,040 Speaker 1: like a third stringer to not have to sign him. 1228 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,400 Speaker 1: So you know, I think that they paid him off 1229 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,320 Speaker 1: and I don't think he'll ever play again. He may 1230 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,600 Speaker 1: play in another league, But listen, I'm more surprised Colin 1231 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 1: Kaepernick settled than the NFL settled. I really am why, 1232 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:03,480 Speaker 1: because this was a mission that they felt they had 1233 01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:09,920 Speaker 1: real evidence for and to expose the NFL or something 1234 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,760 Speaker 1: that is untoward and something in is racist or something 1235 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:20,360 Speaker 1: that is prejudicial. And I am in no way saying 1236 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,920 Speaker 1: len Kaepernick is not someone to be looked up to 1237 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,560 Speaker 1: for taking a stand, but I'm surprised he went for 1238 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,919 Speaker 1: the money rather than pursue something he thought was real 1239 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,320 Speaker 1: and he'd been in pursuit of it for now two years, 1240 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,400 Speaker 1: and from the NFL's point of view, I'm sure lawyers 1241 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,760 Speaker 1: got up in front of him and said, guys, I 1242 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,000 Speaker 1: don't think we have a smoking gun, but we don't 1243 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,720 Speaker 1: want all this out there, you know when Discovery starts 1244 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,240 Speaker 1: next month. So I get it from the NFL, and 1245 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:50,960 Speaker 1: you're right. See, we're never going to know the money, 1246 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: and anything that's leaked out there is probably not gonna 1247 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,960 Speaker 1: be true, So we'll never know what he's held for. 1248 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:59,200 Speaker 1: Could Kaepernick argue that he made his case successfully and 1249 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,600 Speaker 1: that his chances of having a meaningful playing career have 1250 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,360 Speaker 1: now gone by the wayside because so many years have elapsed. 1251 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,360 Speaker 1: I mean, could that be the motivation for Kaepernick? Yeah? 1252 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean I keep going back to the old idea 1253 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:18,560 Speaker 1: of distraction. And you know, look at Antonio Brown. Dealers 1254 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,200 Speaker 1: or another team will have Antonio Brown and their roster 1255 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:26,760 Speaker 1: Kareem Hunch is signed for a front line player. Teams 1256 01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,720 Speaker 1: will deal with distraction for a for a down the 1257 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,480 Speaker 1: line player. They won't. And it could be Colin Kaepernick, 1258 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:38,880 Speaker 1: it could be Tim Tebow, it could be Michael Sam 1259 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,520 Speaker 1: They're not going to deal with it for a second 1260 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,320 Speaker 1: or third stringer. And that's what Kaepernick is in everybody's eyes, 1261 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,080 Speaker 1: even you know, take apart everything else, take everything else 1262 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,560 Speaker 1: out of the equation talent wise, He's seen as a backup, 1263 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,280 Speaker 1: right right? Yeah? I agree, And and they think that's 1264 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,840 Speaker 1: the only reason that they don't sign him. I don't 1265 01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 1: I don't know about clusion. I don't know whatever. I 1266 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,200 Speaker 1: know this. There's a lot of owners out there. It 1267 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,360 Speaker 1: doesn't matter who colludes with them. You can't tell them 1268 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: what to do. They're gonna do whatever they want. So 1269 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how you prove collusion in that case. 1270 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:13,320 Speaker 1: But nevertheless, they settled it, and as you knew it would, eventually, 1271 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,560 Speaker 1: the league moves on and you've got Leva what do 1272 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,400 Speaker 1: you make We've been talking about it for the last 1273 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,040 Speaker 1: couple of days. Levion Bell set out this year and 1274 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,160 Speaker 1: now Antonio Brown wants to trade and probably is gonna 1275 01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,760 Speaker 1: get it. The Steelers seem like a hot mess. Where 1276 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,880 Speaker 1: do you think Levion Bell is gonna land? And after 1277 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,640 Speaker 1: all said and done, is it gonna be worth it 1278 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,880 Speaker 1: for him to have set out this last year? Financially? 1279 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,640 Speaker 1: You know, I've been saying all year, there's no way, 1280 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Levon Bell made a good decision. It's not gonna make 1281 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,840 Speaker 1: up fourteen and a half million dollars. I still don't 1282 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,160 Speaker 1: know why he did it. I was wrong every week 1283 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,200 Speaker 1: for seventeen weeks. I said he'd come back for eight 1284 01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,920 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five thousand a week. As an agent, 1285 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,240 Speaker 1: I was an agent. I could never advise client to 1286 01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:01,919 Speaker 1: do that, especially running back, and I just don't see it. Yeah, 1287 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't see a team breaking the bank on Levan Bell. 1288 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,520 Speaker 1: You know, people always line up teams like the Jets 1289 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,280 Speaker 1: that have big cap room, and I don't see the 1290 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,560 Speaker 1: Jets doing that. I don't see any team doing that 1291 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,120 Speaker 1: the Colts. The Colts seemed happy with their cheap running backs. 1292 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,400 Speaker 1: A lot of teams do. And I'm not saying no 1293 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,000 Speaker 1: one will sign Levan Bell, but to think he's going 1294 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,480 Speaker 1: to get a Todd Gurley plus contract, I don't see it. 1295 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,360 Speaker 1: And I see no business sense of what he did 1296 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,840 Speaker 1: last year, even if he got hurt. Even if he 1297 01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,120 Speaker 1: got hurt, he would have gotten paid, like Earl Thomas 1298 01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:43,880 Speaker 1: got paid and Levian Bell did not. And they're both 1299 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,520 Speaker 1: free agents right now. Right Andrew Brant, sports business expert 1300 01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,880 Speaker 1: on the Line with us and the other Steeler, Antonio Brown. 1301 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,600 Speaker 1: You mentioned a moment ago Andrew about how teams will 1302 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,600 Speaker 1: not pay big money for a potential distraction at age 1303 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,200 Speaker 1: thirty with what the way his season ended in its 1304 01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,800 Speaker 1: last year. Where does Antonio Brown come down on that line? 1305 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,920 Speaker 1: Is he a potential distraction that might prevent team for 1306 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,720 Speaker 1: me and interested in him in a possible trade? Yeah? 1307 01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, guys, I'm out here lonely on a 1308 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,600 Speaker 1: lonely island saying that Antonio Brown's still going to be 1309 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,120 Speaker 1: a Steeler really, And the reason I say it is 1310 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,320 Speaker 1: because as someone who managed a cap for ten years, 1311 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 1: to see it's twenty one million dollar cap hole for 1312 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,480 Speaker 1: a guy no longer on the team. That would drive 1313 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,640 Speaker 1: me so crazy. And that's what it would happen if 1314 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,200 Speaker 1: they trade him, No matter what they got back, he'd 1315 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,520 Speaker 1: be counting twenty one million. That debilitates your team right there. 1316 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,600 Speaker 1: The other thing is he himself has really made him, 1317 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:45,000 Speaker 1: in my mind, untradeable because who wants that, right Like, 1318 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,840 Speaker 1: who's gonna sit around with GM in a front and 1319 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,360 Speaker 1: a coach sit around and in their office today and 1320 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,200 Speaker 1: say we really want to bring that on our team. No, 1321 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:58,720 Speaker 1: nobody wants that. I understand the talent. But when the 1322 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,200 Speaker 1: Steelers go out to the mark and I'm still not 1323 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,640 Speaker 1: sure they are going out to the market, maybe they're listening, 1324 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna be hearing. In my mind, they're gonna be 1325 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,760 Speaker 1: hearing things like fourth round pick right, maybe third? Maybe third. 1326 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean that you're gonna give up Antonio Brown for that? 1327 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. And I think it's interesting too that 1328 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,080 Speaker 1: it's the same kind of mentality that that they that 1329 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,400 Speaker 1: all the people used to say about Kaepernick that was 1330 01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 1: going to be a distraction and all of that, And 1331 01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,280 Speaker 1: it's the same argument they're using about Antonio Brown, about 1332 01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,480 Speaker 1: him a guy who can turn it on and shut 1333 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,160 Speaker 1: it off and become a problem just with a decision, 1334 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,760 Speaker 1: and you have no control over that decision. So it 1335 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,200 Speaker 1: is a little bit of a risk. I had one 1336 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,640 Speaker 1: more thing I wanted to bring up with you, and 1337 01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,800 Speaker 1: this will be my last topic. The AAF got a 1338 01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,960 Speaker 1: big infusion of cash this week from I believe it's 1339 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:53,240 Speaker 1: Tom Dundon. What do you think that means for its future? 1340 01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,720 Speaker 1: If anything? Well, yeah, first, give me a chance to 1341 01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:02,080 Speaker 1: plug my podcast, The Business of Support with Andrew Brandt, 1342 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:07,120 Speaker 1: A recent guest two weeks ago, AAF founder Charlie Ebersol, 1343 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,400 Speaker 1: and as founders are, he was very bullish about the 1344 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,000 Speaker 1: league and I did ask a lot about investment and 1345 01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,120 Speaker 1: you can hear it on my podcast. He talked about 1346 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,439 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley, he talked about former NFL players, he talked 1347 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:24,800 Speaker 1: about former NFL management, He talked about the Churning Group 1348 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,840 Speaker 1: which owns Barstool Sports, And to me, you walk away 1349 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,200 Speaker 1: from that like they, oh, they're really well funded. But 1350 01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,960 Speaker 1: then the news you just talked about, which really was shocking, 1351 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,439 Speaker 1: shocking in a good way for the league that they 1352 01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,280 Speaker 1: got a quarterbillion dollars that'll float them at least a 1353 01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:45,000 Speaker 1: year or two, and then shocking that they needed it. 1354 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,080 Speaker 1: I don't get it. After talking to him and think 1355 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,960 Speaker 1: and then you hear about payroll issues week one, I 1356 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,519 Speaker 1: was shocked. But now this guy's the chairman of the league, 1357 01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,760 Speaker 1: who knows what percent of the league he owns. He 1358 01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,240 Speaker 1: is that white whale everyone looks for in their in 1359 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,480 Speaker 1: growing a business, and he believed in it. So kudos 1360 01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,479 Speaker 1: to them for bringing him in. By the way, you 1361 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,439 Speaker 1: know those people listening who are investors, they can tell 1362 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,800 Speaker 1: better than I can. How diluted those existing partners are 1363 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,280 Speaker 1: right now with this guy taking over the whole league, 1364 01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,840 Speaker 1: so I don't know if that investment prior investment is 1365 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,800 Speaker 1: any good right now. So it seems like this guy 1366 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,439 Speaker 1: is the White Knight and the league's going to be 1367 01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,320 Speaker 1: healthy for a while. But shocking they needed him. Yeah, 1368 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,840 Speaker 1: and I just had one question on this topic too, Andrew. 1369 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,800 Speaker 1: Two things. Actually, they're on TV, but this to me 1370 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,160 Speaker 1: was the signal that they're not making any meaningful money 1371 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,320 Speaker 1: on TV. The second thing is how much of this 1372 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,280 Speaker 1: is geared up for the eventual Many people believe the 1373 01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:55,439 Speaker 1: eventual legalized gambling portion that the Alliance seems to be 1374 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,080 Speaker 1: well positioned to take advantage of with their with their 1375 01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:59,559 Speaker 1: app and some of their other things. Do you think 1376 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,720 Speaker 1: that's what they're trying to do, stay alive until they 1377 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,320 Speaker 1: generate this new income somehow from legalized gambling. Yeah, I mean, 1378 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,400 Speaker 1: bar ever, saw I talked about this app a lot 1379 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: that hadn't I don't think has really come online yet, 1380 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,160 Speaker 1: but gambling is a big part of it, you know, 1381 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,360 Speaker 1: And then got great reviews week one, as you saw 1382 01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,559 Speaker 1: with the transparency of the replay. Those are the things 1383 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,160 Speaker 1: they can do with the NFL product to make it better, 1384 01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:26,000 Speaker 1: market more fanalizing for younger viewers, especially a shorter product 1385 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,360 Speaker 1: or running clock two and a half hours versus three 1386 01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,040 Speaker 1: and a half hours. That's all good. Ultimately, they're not 1387 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,080 Speaker 1: going to match week one ratings probably, And as you 1388 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,040 Speaker 1: mentioned it, the buy the NFL network by I think 1389 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,720 Speaker 1: is not a buy. I think it's just putting it 1390 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,800 Speaker 1: on TV Forum and the NFL Network having some programming. 1391 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,519 Speaker 1: So yeah, this is not They're not making big money, 1392 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,920 Speaker 1: any money out of the broadcast side, I don't think. 1393 01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,920 Speaker 1: And then the attendance issue. I mean, San Antonio's drawn 1394 01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,559 Speaker 1: like bonkers, but the rest of them, I wonder. So listen, 1395 01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,639 Speaker 1: the last common is we go into every league thinking 1396 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,600 Speaker 1: there's no way they'll survive. This one now has a 1397 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,560 Speaker 1: chance because of this guy Dundon. Yeah, Andrew, thanks for this. 1398 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,880 Speaker 1: Every time you're on, I think to myself, you cannot 1399 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,599 Speaker 1: really follow sports in today's America without following sports business, 1400 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,559 Speaker 1: and you do it better than anybody. Thank you very much, 1401 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,479 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Take appreciate it. Andrew Andrew Brandt is 1402 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,479 Speaker 1: our sports business expert, the host of his Business of 1403 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,840 Speaker 1: Sports podcast. He talked about that in the interview he 1404 01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,759 Speaker 1: did with Charlie Eversaw about the Alliance of American Football, 1405 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,160 Speaker 1: also as a regular contributor weekly column for MMQB dot 1406 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,320 Speaker 1: SI dot com. I feel better now about the Zion 1407 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,000 Speaker 1: Williamson situation after hearing him talk about it. I just 1408 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,599 Speaker 1: feel like he's right, He's right. You know. There there again, 1409 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm back to my fundamentally corrupt Zion Williams is Certainly 1410 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,080 Speaker 1: Williamson is certainly an outlier in terms of talent and 1411 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,840 Speaker 1: ability to generate money. But I do think that he's 1412 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,320 Speaker 1: sort of crystallized Steve, the fact that college basketball and 1413 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,280 Speaker 1: college football, the two big pillars of American college sports, 1414 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,320 Speaker 1: are kind of they're they're built on business. It's not 1415 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,320 Speaker 1: about the colleges. It's not about the kids, it's not 1416 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,160 Speaker 1: about the players, it's not about the athletes. It's certainly 1417 01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,640 Speaker 1: not about student athletes. It's about generating money from television. 1418 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,599 Speaker 1: And that's and as he said, those are league rules, 1419 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,880 Speaker 1: NBA rules, and NFL rules. We knew that that kind 1420 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,040 Speaker 1: of regulate who is able to play and who that's 1421 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,439 Speaker 1: how long you have to stay and until somehow that changes, 1422 01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,920 Speaker 1: and there's no incentive for it to change. Right, we're 1423 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,439 Speaker 1: gonna have to live with this. I guess that's a 1424 01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,000 Speaker 1: that's a bargain that I made with myself a couple 1425 01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,280 Speaker 1: of years ago when I came to the conclusion that 1426 01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,639 Speaker 1: the college sports there's something really wrong with college sports. 1427 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,240 Speaker 1: And it's interesting too, because there's a couple of points 1428 01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,479 Speaker 1: about what you said. One, there's no incentive to change 1429 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,679 Speaker 1: the NFL rule because nobody negotiates on behalf of guys 1430 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,240 Speaker 1: that aren't in the league. Yet that's a really good 1431 01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,840 Speaker 1: point that nobody, nobody cares about the guys who aren't 1432 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:51,400 Speaker 1: in the league, yet they don't care. And secondly, the 1433 01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,880 Speaker 1: fact that the outliers are the ones that bring it 1434 01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,799 Speaker 1: into stark focused like guys like Zion William. Yeah, he's different, 1435 01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:02,040 Speaker 1: and the rules are made to, you know, to protect 1436 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,639 Speaker 1: the masses. And he made a great point about Villanova. 1437 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,800 Speaker 1: They won two out of the last three national championships. 1438 01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:15,200 Speaker 1: The big sports money generating games and teams fund the 1439 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,479 Speaker 1: minor sports. They provide scholarships to the rest of the 1440 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,880 Speaker 1: student athletes that can attend on scholarships like they for 1441 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,360 Speaker 1: the baseball team, for the for the field hockey team, 1442 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,599 Speaker 1: for the women's team, for all the all the other 1443 01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,559 Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't that are taking losses. They're funded by 1444 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,479 Speaker 1: those big time sports teams. So there is some good 1445 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,519 Speaker 1: that comes out of it. It's not just going into 1446 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,479 Speaker 1: somebody's pocket. It does go back to some of the 1447 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,560 Speaker 1: students in the school. I will say this, and I 1448 01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,080 Speaker 1: mentioned this briefly to you in our opening segment a 1449 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,120 Speaker 1: year ago. When it came, it was just about a 1450 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,679 Speaker 1: year ago now, right before the NCAA Tournament, the FBI 1451 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:51,640 Speaker 1: had been investigating college basketball corruption at various schools, Arizona, right, 1452 01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,160 Speaker 1: it was a big one. It was it was big. 1453 01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,080 Speaker 1: And here we are a year later, and nothing has changed. 1454 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,160 Speaker 1: Because I remember thinking a year ago, all right, this 1455 01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,200 Speaker 1: is it. Somebody's gonna have to come in and clean 1456 01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:03,320 Speaker 1: oute college basketball. Nothing happened. Nothing happened. I mean, Sean 1457 01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,439 Speaker 1: Miller in trouble at Arizona, a couple of other schools 1458 01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:10,160 Speaker 1: that the the investigation is not complete, but still nothing change. 1459 01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,280 Speaker 1: Something fundamentally changes because of the money. That's what I believe. 1460 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,760 Speaker 1: And it's and it's frustrating too, because what happens, they 1461 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,920 Speaker 1: shuffle something people around. He goes in this school, that 1462 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,000 Speaker 1: AD's gone, he's at this school now that nothing changes, 1463 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,720 Speaker 1: they just change chairs. Yep, all right. Am I being 1464 01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,479 Speaker 1: told that Dean Lacey might join us now in the 1465 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,240 Speaker 1: next couple of minutes? Yes, I am. I'm excited. You're 1466 01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,840 Speaker 1: being told that we've been told that before. Let me 1467 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,840 Speaker 1: just remind you of half an hour it might happen 1468 01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,040 Speaker 1: and we come back, Come on back. One Bill slide 1469 01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,559 Speaker 1: presented by Collatta Health from One Bill's Drive. This is 1470 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:55,639 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's radio come back down rope seem tasker here 1471 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,599 Speaker 1: in Orchard Park. One Bill slide from One Bill's Driver, 1472 01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,799 Speaker 1: presented by Collatta Health. One little bit of Bills news Today. 1473 01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,400 Speaker 1: Linebacker Dan Lacey, want of Buffalose pre eminent special teamers, 1474 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,639 Speaker 1: has signed a one year contract that came out today 1475 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,680 Speaker 1: and Dean Lacey's on the subway fresh take kintline with 1476 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,839 Speaker 1: us right now? Uh, Dean, you gratulate where you calling from? Alabama? 1477 01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,080 Speaker 1: You're home in Alabama today? Yes, I'm from Alabama. How 1478 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:22,880 Speaker 1: you doing? Congratulations? Congratulations man, that's awesome. I think you've 1479 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,200 Speaker 1: You've found an NFL home here now and it'll be 1480 01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,360 Speaker 1: three years coming up for you. Dan talking about what 1481 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,920 Speaker 1: went into this decision to sign up for another year 1482 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:34,000 Speaker 1: with the Bills. Basically, I told my agent, you know, 1483 01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:35,880 Speaker 1: I want to stay with the Bills. I didn't want 1484 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,240 Speaker 1: to go anywhere else. I like what the Buffalo Bills 1485 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,719 Speaker 1: organization has going on with the team and with the staff, 1486 01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,400 Speaker 1: and I want to be a part of it. We talked. 1487 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,080 Speaker 1: We talked, Murph and I kind of laughingly that the 1488 01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,240 Speaker 1: Bills finished the season six and ten. It's not a 1489 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,360 Speaker 1: really good win last year a lot of things. You know, 1490 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,479 Speaker 1: you'd love to have any huge amount of more wins 1491 01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,240 Speaker 1: than that. I mean, you gotta be disappointed it. But 1492 01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,960 Speaker 1: by the same token, this may be one of the 1493 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,280 Speaker 1: most optimistic franchise is about their future in the league. 1494 01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,479 Speaker 1: Is that what's happening in the locker room? Do you 1495 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,800 Speaker 1: guys feel that way? We feel we're way better than 1496 01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,880 Speaker 1: six and ten. No, the guys they want to win. 1497 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,439 Speaker 1: That's that's what I love about the Buffalo bill team. 1498 01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,280 Speaker 1: Everybody comes to work every day to get better and 1499 01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,519 Speaker 1: to win. You know, we didn't get what we wanted 1500 01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,360 Speaker 1: at the end of the year, but we know we 1501 01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,400 Speaker 1: have in the locker room and don't show them on 1502 01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,680 Speaker 1: the record, but we know what we have. I was 1503 01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,960 Speaker 1: wondering DM with you know, obviously six wins last year 1504 01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,519 Speaker 1: and not the record people are looking for, and things change. 1505 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,200 Speaker 1: The special teams leadership has changed, they have he farwell. 1506 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,439 Speaker 1: Now is a new special teams coordinator. Have you talked 1507 01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,920 Speaker 1: with with the new special teams coordinator and if you 1508 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,240 Speaker 1: had much thought about what might change for you and 1509 01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,880 Speaker 1: the other special teamers. I haven't had the chance to 1510 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,679 Speaker 1: talk with them yet. Maybe when I get up to Buffalo, 1511 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,560 Speaker 1: we might have a conversation about what's gonna happen with 1512 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,559 Speaker 1: the special teams. But I'm eager to learn from them 1513 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,320 Speaker 1: and eager to get started with them. You were part 1514 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,040 Speaker 1: of the one of those guys that have played through 1515 01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,720 Speaker 1: this new transition for the new kickoff rules. What were 1516 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,240 Speaker 1: the What do you guys think of the new kickoff 1517 01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,880 Speaker 1: and what it looks like and how it came you know, 1518 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,479 Speaker 1: how it came about on the field. What did you 1519 01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,200 Speaker 1: guys think of the new kickoff rules? Everything was fine, 1520 01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, we don't get the five yards start off. 1521 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,519 Speaker 1: But my thing was the only issue that I had 1522 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,880 Speaker 1: when the flag got thrown on me was our back 1523 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,960 Speaker 1: foot has to stay down through the kick and can't 1524 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,080 Speaker 1: have our back foot up and you know that it 1525 01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,960 Speaker 1: kind of had me hesitant on when the takeoff and 1526 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,640 Speaker 1: when the time up the kicks, I have to re 1527 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, reprocess my mind frame on that and make 1528 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,120 Speaker 1: sure my backfoot stay down. Other than that, the kickoffs 1529 01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,960 Speaker 1: is great. Yeah. Did you notice that not very many 1530 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,439 Speaker 1: kickoff returns happened until well late in the year we 1531 01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,560 Speaker 1: started to see him a little bit more. What do 1532 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,080 Speaker 1: you guys think about late in the year when he 1533 01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,280 Speaker 1: started actually having to cover these kicks. Guys was eager 1534 01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,679 Speaker 1: and happy to the opportunity to have opportunity to make plays. 1535 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,920 Speaker 1: Um early in the year, you know, you don't really 1536 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,880 Speaker 1: have a lot of wins and things of that nation. 1537 01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,240 Speaker 1: Once it got late in the season, we have that 1538 01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,640 Speaker 1: on our side. So guys, you know, cover kicks with 1539 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:11,000 Speaker 1: what they love to do on special teams and make plays. Yeah, 1540 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,960 Speaker 1: and what's your favorite special teams unit to plan? What 1541 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:19,960 Speaker 1: do you like doing kickoff? Really? Why that's the tone setting. 1542 01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,360 Speaker 1: Even with the new rules, you can still set a tone. 1543 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,480 Speaker 1: Go down there and do something. Yeah. If the opportunity 1544 01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,000 Speaker 1: presents itself in Buffalo Fills Union Pool, they we're coming forward. 1545 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,200 Speaker 1: How do you how do you set the tone? Is it, 1546 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,400 Speaker 1: field position, a big hit, all of the above, What 1547 01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:37,880 Speaker 1: do you think what's the best way to set the 1548 01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,400 Speaker 1: tone on a kickoff? The best way to set the 1549 01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:44,479 Speaker 1: tone and kickoff is the field position. It don't have 1550 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,240 Speaker 1: to be a big hit. If a big hit comes, 1551 01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,679 Speaker 1: you know, take it. But if we have an opportunity 1552 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,000 Speaker 1: depending that's the opport team inside of the twinning, we'll 1553 01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,679 Speaker 1: take it every time. Yeah. And I've always said, Dean, 1554 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,559 Speaker 1: maybe you can. I said the world would be a 1555 01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,200 Speaker 1: better place if everybody got to cover a kickoff once 1556 01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,519 Speaker 1: a week. Why is I don't know. It's a great 1557 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,000 Speaker 1: way to take your aggressions out. And it's good, it's nice, 1558 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:09,760 Speaker 1: it's good physical meditation. I think, Um, we just want 1559 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:10,800 Speaker 1: to We don't want to keep you a long. We 1560 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:12,760 Speaker 1: just want to congratulate you on the new contract. We 1561 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,720 Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you here at training camp. What's 1562 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,200 Speaker 1: the next thing for you? Um? For OTAs and that 1563 01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:19,559 Speaker 1: kind of thing. When do you When will you next 1564 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:24,840 Speaker 1: being Buffalo? Probably in Buffalo late March. What do you 1565 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,200 Speaker 1: come back early? So yeah, that's a couple of weeks 1566 01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:28,880 Speaker 1: earlier I think from when you're required to be here 1567 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,439 Speaker 1: huh or asked to be here anyway, what do you 1568 01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,240 Speaker 1: do from now until then? What's your off season been 1569 01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,240 Speaker 1: like them? My off season has been spending to out 1570 01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,200 Speaker 1: the kids and doing mostly small muscle workout, get my 1571 01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,800 Speaker 1: muscle memory up, muscle endurance. So we're gonna get ready 1572 01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,400 Speaker 1: to get in with the team and run around and 1573 01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,960 Speaker 1: you're back in the decent playbook. You'll be fun. You 1574 01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,519 Speaker 1: know what I'm thinking about, and I do, we do 1575 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,760 Speaker 1: want to let you go. But my partner, Steve here, 1576 01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,519 Speaker 1: his son plays in the Canadian Football League for Hamilton. 1577 01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,200 Speaker 1: How many years now, Steve? Six years? Six? Six or seven? Yeah? Again, 1578 01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,600 Speaker 1: you played three years right in Edmonton? Would you be 1579 01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,120 Speaker 1: would would you have been able to make it in 1580 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,080 Speaker 1: the NFL now on your third year with the Buffalo 1581 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,000 Speaker 1: Bills if not for those three years with the Edmonton 1582 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,759 Speaker 1: eskimos uh that that played a big part in getting 1583 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,519 Speaker 1: meet back to the NFL to build my resume and 1584 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,320 Speaker 1: give my name out there that everyone knows who I 1585 01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,720 Speaker 1: am and what I can bring to the table. You 1586 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,360 Speaker 1: want a Great Cup? What what city was the Great 1587 01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,240 Speaker 1: Cup in when you won that in twenty fifteen Winnipeg 1588 01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:32,280 Speaker 1: and then Total Oh yeah, I remember it's it was cold. 1589 01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,839 Speaker 1: Who'd you play? Who is the who's your opponent? Uh? 1590 01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,760 Speaker 1: Ottawa Redblacks? Right? Yeah? Play against here? Father time? Yeah, 1591 01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,679 Speaker 1: father time. Yeah. He finally called it quits forty two. Yeah, 1592 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,120 Speaker 1: that's great. Congratulations, that was great. And I tell you 1593 01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, with my son being up there, I've watched 1594 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,559 Speaker 1: a lot of Canadian football. Uh, it's a much different game. 1595 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,240 Speaker 1: Is there anything you wish that the NFL would do 1596 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,760 Speaker 1: that the Canadian Football League does? Uh? Put the no 1597 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,439 Speaker 1: frest cats ruler for stuffutine, so they have to return 1598 01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,720 Speaker 1: the ball. Would you get would you keep the five 1599 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,400 Speaker 1: yard halo rule? No, I'll make it down the three 1600 01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:12,200 Speaker 1: three yards. That's what I'm talking about. Heydon again, congratulations, 1601 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:13,960 Speaker 1: thanks for spending a few minutes with us here today, 1602 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,240 Speaker 1: and we'll see you up here in a couple of weeks, 1603 01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:20,200 Speaker 1: all right, Thanks. Thanks. Dean Lacy, Bills special teamer, greed 1604 01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,160 Speaker 1: the terms today in a one year contract. It will 1605 01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,000 Speaker 1: be his third season with the Bills. He's played sixteen 1606 01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,000 Speaker 1: games in each of the first two years here. No starts, 1607 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,560 Speaker 1: mostly special teams work. Loves covering kicks. Was that what 1608 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,519 Speaker 1: was your favorite unit? Kicking kickoff is always more fun 1609 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,160 Speaker 1: than punt. Why why more fun than punk coverage? Well, 1610 01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:38,920 Speaker 1: first of all, well for me, I mean I didn't 1611 01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,720 Speaker 1: have two guys beating me up all the way down 1612 01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,599 Speaker 1: the field and from the from the snap and then 1613 01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,040 Speaker 1: can kickoff. Yes, more space, more space to run around, 1614 01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,320 Speaker 1: move and make plays. And and you knew it was 1615 01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,960 Speaker 1: much more simple, much more simple and much more physical, 1616 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:55,799 Speaker 1: you know, play because it was all more read and react. 1617 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't so much punt team. You've got a little 1618 01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,680 Speaker 1: more responsibility than you do on kickoff. I'm sure this 1619 01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:03,880 Speaker 1: sound this may sound like a stupid question, but I'm 1620 01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,320 Speaker 1: not afraid to ask stupid questions. I'm sure you have 1621 01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,519 Speaker 1: rules and plays on kick coverage, you know, a scheme, 1622 01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,320 Speaker 1: stuff that you try to do, but a lot of 1623 01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,720 Speaker 1: it I would think is just instinctive open field reaction. Right, 1624 01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,680 Speaker 1: it is. You do have some responsibilities and you can 1625 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,000 Speaker 1: do anything you want on kickoff, which is why kickoffs 1626 01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:22,120 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. You can do anything you want 1627 01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,280 Speaker 1: to be very creative as long as you know your responsibility. 1628 01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,439 Speaker 1: And for me, for instance, one of the things I did, 1629 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,920 Speaker 1: I would line up on to the right of the kicker, 1630 01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,680 Speaker 1: next to the end, close to the sidelines, but not 1631 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,880 Speaker 1: the end line, and my responsibility was to keep the 1632 01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:41,519 Speaker 1: returner inside me. I couldn't let him go to my right. 1633 01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,080 Speaker 1: I had to keep him on my left and to 1634 01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,360 Speaker 1: turn him back to my teammates right. It was contained, 1635 01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:48,280 Speaker 1: they call it. Why would you be containing? Not the 1636 01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,120 Speaker 1: far out because he would drop off and he'd be safety. 1637 01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,320 Speaker 1: He would drop off and be the last line of defense, 1638 01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,800 Speaker 1: and if the guy got through, he was there ready 1639 01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:58,439 Speaker 1: for it. He would just kind of snuggle up and 1640 01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,439 Speaker 1: make sure that he would you know, if if the 1641 01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:02,960 Speaker 1: guy looked like he's gonna break it, he would be 1642 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,120 Speaker 1: worth the open spot was and make the tackle. He 1643 01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,320 Speaker 1: was he was a safety. So I was the last 1644 01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,600 Speaker 1: guy on the end as we covered the kick, and 1645 01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:10,960 Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun because I could do 1646 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,639 Speaker 1: anything I wanted as long as that guy didn't run 1647 01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:18,080 Speaker 1: out around him off your shoulder. And that was very simple. Um, 1648 01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,600 Speaker 1: it's a great way to a great way to make 1649 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,560 Speaker 1: it living, Murph, I gotta tell you you should try it. 1650 01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Covering kicks is awesome. Um. Wolfley a 1651 01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,479 Speaker 1: great special teamer, Yeah, one of the all time great. 1652 01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,040 Speaker 1: I interviewed him once and he got talking about pretty 1653 01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,839 Speaker 1: much the same thing. How every American man would benefit 1654 01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:38,880 Speaker 1: from covering a kickoff. He said, I don't care. You 1655 01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,320 Speaker 1: can wear your suits and ties and bring a briefcase. 1656 01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,719 Speaker 1: But it would be great if you could discover one kickoff. 1657 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,360 Speaker 1: He's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, it'd be no road rage. Yeah, 1658 01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,040 Speaker 1: and none of that stuff would ever have But you'd 1659 01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:50,200 Speaker 1: be you know, because you get rid of all that 1660 01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,080 Speaker 1: in your kickoff. You can you can jump in and 1661 01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,160 Speaker 1: it was it's a lot of fun. Plus you're running 1662 01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,720 Speaker 1: his know, and you're young and in shape too, right, 1663 01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,360 Speaker 1: so you're you're flying down the field and you know, 1664 01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,320 Speaker 1: you can confront guys. You can fool them. You can 1665 01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,280 Speaker 1: beat them physically, you can run over them, or you 1666 01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,640 Speaker 1: can run around them. You can joke them and make 1667 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,120 Speaker 1: them you know. It's just is that all gone now 1668 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,000 Speaker 1: with the kickoff rules? It's not. It was like it was. 1669 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna sound like a couple of old guys. But 1670 01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,360 Speaker 1: kickoffs used to be a lot more fun. They were 1671 01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,280 Speaker 1: dangerous too. I mean, I got you know, you can 1672 01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,600 Speaker 1: get part of the Yeah, it is part of it. 1673 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,439 Speaker 1: It's a little bit. It's fun to be the guy 1674 01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,000 Speaker 1: ringing them up, not not the guy that's you know, 1675 01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:30,640 Speaker 1: getting runner um. It is. It's it was dangerous, no 1676 01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,240 Speaker 1: question about it was. It was, but like all sport, 1677 01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,360 Speaker 1: it was you know, life is a risk. Uh. And 1678 01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:38,519 Speaker 1: I always felt I always felt extremely safe covering kicks. 1679 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,240 Speaker 1: I really did. I thought it was a great, so 1680 01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,200 Speaker 1: much fun to play. And it's you know, it's you know, 1681 01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,200 Speaker 1: you feel like you convince yourself that's what you were 1682 01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,559 Speaker 1: born to do, you know. So it's I agree with him. 1683 01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,680 Speaker 1: A kickoffs are a blast. They really are. And I 1684 01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,640 Speaker 1: and I was really relieved when I went to that 1685 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,680 Speaker 1: kickoff summit during the off season this last year. The 1686 01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,639 Speaker 1: league is really committed to keeping it in the game. Uh. 1687 01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,559 Speaker 1: And for good reasons, not just the fact that it's 1688 01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,800 Speaker 1: fun or but it also if they start changing a 1689 01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:10,200 Speaker 1: game drastically because this play is too dangerous, well let's 1690 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,360 Speaker 1: just make it less dangerous. Because if you take that 1691 01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:16,080 Speaker 1: play out, then the natural conversation goes to, Okay, what's 1692 01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,160 Speaker 1: the next most dangerous play? Well, then you got to 1693 01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,160 Speaker 1: take that one out, and then you know, and then 1694 01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,599 Speaker 1: it's seven on seven and we're in shorts and T shirts. 1695 01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's no fun. So they're going to keep 1696 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,840 Speaker 1: it in the game, and the game's gonna continue to 1697 01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,880 Speaker 1: be a big, physical game played by big scary guys, 1698 01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,519 Speaker 1: and it's it's a blast to have it that way. Hey, 1699 01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,120 Speaker 1: we thank Dion Lacy for joining us on the Subway 1700 01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:38,880 Speaker 1: Fresh State hutline presented by Subway restaurants, probably locally owned 1701 01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,960 Speaker 1: and operated. Talking about the Buffalo defense today. Whatever you'd 1702 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,960 Speaker 1: like to talk about is open for discussion, by the way, 1703 01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:45,960 Speaker 1: But if you'd like to talk about the defense and 1704 01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:49,479 Speaker 1: talk about who the breakout player is, that's our Twitter 1705 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,920 Speaker 1: poll who will be the breakout player on defense for 1706 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,320 Speaker 1: the Bills in twenty nineteen. We've got about seven hundred 1707 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:57,080 Speaker 1: and fifty votes in on this so far, and overwhelmingly 1708 01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,800 Speaker 1: seventy you say the breakout player defense for the Bills 1709 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,679 Speaker 1: will be Tremaine Edmunds going into a second year. Twelve 1710 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,559 Speaker 1: percent of you say it'll be Shack Lawson, nine percent 1711 01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,320 Speaker 1: say it'll be cornerback Lee by Wallace, just seven percent 1712 01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,200 Speaker 1: of have somebody else in mind? Give us a call, 1713 01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:14,479 Speaker 1: let's discuss eighth three five fifty, toll free one eight 1714 01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,640 Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty or whatever else 1715 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,840 Speaker 1: you'd like to talk about. Zion Williamson and his issue. 1716 01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,240 Speaker 1: We talked about that a lot at the top of 1717 01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,599 Speaker 1: the show and with Andrew Brandt, everything's on the table. 1718 01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,519 Speaker 1: Come on back, let's discuss John Murphy, Steve Tasker, One 1719 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,479 Speaker 1: Bills Live presented by a Lot of Health from One 1720 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:40,559 Speaker 1: Bills Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. One Bills Live 1721 01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,920 Speaker 1: from One Bill Drive. Steve and I spent the break 1722 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,240 Speaker 1: talking about Sabers Hockey. You're gonna watch tonight there, Steve? 1723 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,720 Speaker 1: You bet? You do you have any You have high 1724 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,360 Speaker 1: hopes for this game Sabers at Tampa's seven thirties. You 1725 01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,600 Speaker 1: go right to the heart of the matter. What do 1726 01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,680 Speaker 1: you expect though, I team in the league? Yeah, so 1727 01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,439 Speaker 1: it's a certainly a yard stick. I want to see 1728 01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,160 Speaker 1: what they do, they better. I want to see him competing, 1729 01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,400 Speaker 1: and you know we're having too. If they win, it's 1730 01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:08,040 Speaker 1: gonna be one of those games where after the game, 1731 01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:09,960 Speaker 1: they're all gonna say, hey, nobody believed in us, they 1732 01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,759 Speaker 1: accept us. It's gonna be you know, we banded together. 1733 01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:13,920 Speaker 1: This is what we got in this room. Is a 1734 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,680 Speaker 1: kind of character we've got in this room. And then 1735 01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,000 Speaker 1: the next you know, then they go on a three 1736 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,040 Speaker 1: game losing, streaking again, you know, well again gets me 1737 01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,400 Speaker 1: to these that's the roller coaster we're on with this team. Yeah, 1738 01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,120 Speaker 1: how much hope do you have for this game and 1739 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:25,880 Speaker 1: the rest of the seas. I always have hope for this, 1740 01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, this game. I always have hope for big picture. 1741 01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not so optimistic, but this game, sure, 1742 01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:34,719 Speaker 1: let's go. Let's see what you got. Seven thirty tonight 1743 01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:38,720 Speaker 1: Savers and Tampa Bay in Tampa Bay. The fifth rank 1744 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:43,240 Speaker 1: Michigan Wolverines are in action tonight for an alternative. They 1745 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,040 Speaker 1: are playing at Minnesota. They beat Minnesota a couple of 1746 01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,160 Speaker 1: weeks ago, four weeks three or four weeks ago? Is 1747 01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:51,439 Speaker 1: that the like? Did they beat him? Like by forty two? 1748 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,240 Speaker 1: By two? It was a tough one. They got a 1749 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,000 Speaker 1: shot at the buzzer from Charles Matthews beating Minnesota. I 1750 01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,639 Speaker 1: got criticized on Twitter for the other day for talking 1751 01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,360 Speaker 1: too much Michigan basketball. They must be crushing you today. 1752 01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,000 Speaker 1: I just you would have to talked about Nadoes and 1753 01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,360 Speaker 1: the ub Bulls. They're great. They're nationally ranked as well, 1754 01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,400 Speaker 1: I believe nice. Yeah, I've been to a couple of 1755 01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:19,160 Speaker 1: Ubis this year. For the first time in over ten years. 1756 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,680 Speaker 1: I attended the ub Bulls game this year. Yeah, you're 1757 01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,719 Speaker 1: a front runner. We all know that. I am totally 1758 01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,120 Speaker 1: a bandwagon jump Yeah. Um, what do you think? It's 1759 01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,160 Speaker 1: fun too? It's a good game, good atmosphere. Who's going 1760 01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,760 Speaker 1: to be the breakout player for the Buffalo Bills defensively 1761 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,760 Speaker 1: this year? Give us a call, let's discuss. I got 1762 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,519 Speaker 1: a call on the line, not about this topic from Brian. Brian, 1763 01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,400 Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on the air with us. Hey, how 1764 01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,920 Speaker 1: you doing, guys? Good? Good, that's good. Uh. Several years back, 1765 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,360 Speaker 1: I got one of the whole of one of the 1766 01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,160 Speaker 1: old Buffalo Bills press guide. But I, you know, go 1767 01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,640 Speaker 1: over you know, past games and blah blah blah. Yeah, 1768 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,160 Speaker 1: preseason game Buffalo player I think in nineteen sixty two. 1769 01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,719 Speaker 1: And Steve, since you were talking about your son playing 1770 01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,639 Speaker 1: the Canadian Football League, I believe they played a preseason 1771 01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,720 Speaker 1: game against the Hamilton Tiger Cats in a preseason and 1772 01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,560 Speaker 1: I just kind of wondering if guys can research or 1773 01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,559 Speaker 1: find out how they played the game, because Canadian football 1774 01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,920 Speaker 1: rules are different and as opposed to the NFL. Well, 1775 01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:14,920 Speaker 1: that's a good question, and I know that they did 1776 01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,560 Speaker 1: play that game. You've you ever heard that, Steve. I 1777 01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,960 Speaker 1: have no reseason game against the tie Cats. I believe 1778 01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,120 Speaker 1: in Canada, right in Hamilton's right, Bran, Well, it was 1779 01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,679 Speaker 1: there or was here. But I know they they played 1780 01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:28,960 Speaker 1: against the Tiger Cats, you know, back when Buffalo was 1781 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,320 Speaker 1: just being you know, starting out, and uh, I believe 1782 01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,679 Speaker 1: the Tiger Cats won the game. But I don't know anything. 1783 01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything how they played it, what rules 1784 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,599 Speaker 1: played or what. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't have any 1785 01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,599 Speaker 1: information about it either. Um it kind of see rings 1786 01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,400 Speaker 1: a bell on the horizon of my mind, like I've 1787 01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:50,160 Speaker 1: crossed paths with it before thinking about it. But um, well, no, 1788 01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,599 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that game. No, I'm gonna say, 1789 01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:54,240 Speaker 1: if you guys maybe could research it or something and 1790 01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,439 Speaker 1: find out, Well, we got we'll have somebody on it now. 1791 01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure we got somebody in the back room. He's 1792 01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,400 Speaker 1: frantically typing away. Oh yeah, yeah, if I could turn 1793 01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,240 Speaker 1: my computer on, i'd look it up. Yeah, I'm looking 1794 01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,519 Speaker 1: at I don't have the preseason results in front of me, 1795 01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,280 Speaker 1: but that's I know they played, and I'm not sure 1796 01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,320 Speaker 1: what rules they played under. That's an interesting question. How 1797 01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,000 Speaker 1: that came about? What do you think we need a 1798 01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:18,720 Speaker 1: preseason game, Hamilton need one? Typically m CFL preseason at 1799 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,080 Speaker 1: least now is over right? And right? I mean the 1800 01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:25,639 Speaker 1: season starts in what July CFL regular season, No, it's over. 1801 01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,280 Speaker 1: It starts May first and it goes. They have three 1802 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,920 Speaker 1: by weeks, eighteen regular season games and the Gray Cup 1803 01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,760 Speaker 1: has always played on Thanksgiving weekend. So when did they 1804 01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:38,280 Speaker 1: start regular season? Two weeks that May for mid May 1805 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,800 Speaker 1: June feet for sure. Yeah, yeah, they go fast. And 1806 01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:44,920 Speaker 1: that's why we That's why we camp with my son 1807 01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,120 Speaker 1: in the wintertime because we can't do it in the summertime. 1808 01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,840 Speaker 1: Oh that's why. I see, that's why. Yeah, all right, 1809 01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,160 Speaker 1: we'll look at it. We'll see if we can find 1810 01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,439 Speaker 1: something out about that. Brian, thank you. We got one 1811 01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:55,920 Speaker 1: more hour ago. We're gonna talk with Greg Rosenthal, NFL 1812 01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:59,519 Speaker 1: dot com writer cohostly Around the NFL podcast, a variety 1813 01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,040 Speaker 1: of NFL issues for Greg rosenhal When we come back, 1814 01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,760 Speaker 1: you come back as well, Greg Rosenthal. It is One 1815 01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,160 Speaker 1: Bill's Live presented by Kalata Health from One Bill's Drive 1816 01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:23,800 Speaker 1: and this is Buffalo Bills Radio Hills Radio Network Stories US. 1817 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,680 Speaker 1: It comes from One Bill's Drive. The Bills with a 1818 01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:29,000 Speaker 1: bit of news today resigning linebacker Dion Lacy, one of 1819 01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,559 Speaker 1: their premier special teams for formers the last couple of years. 1820 01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,040 Speaker 1: It'll be Lacy's third season with the Bills. He's played 1821 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,240 Speaker 1: in all sixteen games in each of the last two seasons. 1822 01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,040 Speaker 1: Finished third on the team and special teams tackles for 1823 01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,240 Speaker 1: the Bills this past season, behind sirand Neil and Lafiette Pitts. 1824 01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,680 Speaker 1: We just talked to Dion Lacy on the show a 1825 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,240 Speaker 1: couple of minutes ago. A special team stalwart, he was 1826 01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,920 Speaker 1: an exclusive rights free agent. He is back with the Bills. 1827 01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:55,320 Speaker 1: Dion Lacy around the NFL, the Steelers general manager Kevin 1828 01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:59,519 Speaker 1: Colbert says the team is unquestionably Ben Roethlisberger's team. He 1829 01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,439 Speaker 1: called the Roethlisberger the unquestioned leader of the locker room, 1830 01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,439 Speaker 1: and he said, yes, Roethlisberger does have the freedom the 1831 01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,880 Speaker 1: publicly criticized teammates if he sees fit. Roethlisberger says his 1832 01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,479 Speaker 1: role as team captain in a fifteen year veteran gives 1833 01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:16,800 Speaker 1: him to credibility to criticize teammates even after being criticized 1834 01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:21,360 Speaker 1: for having an owner's mentality. According to his teammate Antonio Brown, 1835 01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:24,960 Speaker 1: who is actively seeking a trade from Hamilton, Tom Coflin, 1836 01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,160 Speaker 1: the executive vice president of the Jacksonville Jaguar, says Lake 1837 01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:31,080 Speaker 1: Bortles is our quarterback right now. That's what he said 1838 01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,679 Speaker 1: an answer to a question and a radio interview. Coughlin 1839 01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,719 Speaker 1: and GM Dave Caldwell handed Portals a three year extension 1840 01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,200 Speaker 1: with twenty six and a half million dollars in guarantees 1841 01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,280 Speaker 1: last February, and he did not even finish the season 1842 01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,120 Speaker 1: as their starter. Jacksonville has been the team most commonly 1843 01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,640 Speaker 1: linked with adding former Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles to 1844 01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,640 Speaker 1: their roster. Buffalo sabers in action tonight in Tampa to 1845 01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,479 Speaker 1: take on the NHL's top team. It's a seven thirty 1846 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,080 Speaker 1: face up. Savers have lost three in a row, trying 1847 01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,200 Speaker 1: to get a win, trying to get off that losing 1848 01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,200 Speaker 1: streak with a tough game at Tampa tonight. Buffalo is 1849 01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,880 Speaker 1: home over the weekend for one more game before the 1850 01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:09,240 Speaker 1: NHL trade deadline. Duke freshman sensation Zion Williamson was forced 1851 01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:11,840 Speaker 1: out of last night's game against North Carolina just thirty 1852 01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,840 Speaker 1: six seconds into it with what Blue Devil's coach Mike 1853 01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,519 Speaker 1: Zhevsky calls a mild Nie Spring and Syracuse coach Jim 1854 01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,559 Speaker 1: Beaheim was behind the wheel of a car that hit 1855 01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:23,559 Speaker 1: a pedestrian last night on a highway in Syracuse, killing 1856 01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,920 Speaker 1: the man. According to Syracuse. Please, what a terrible story 1857 01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:30,040 Speaker 1: from Syracuse. That's tough to read. Yeah, all right, let's 1858 01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:31,960 Speaker 1: move on to the show as we continue to talk 1859 01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:34,439 Speaker 1: about the NFL. Joining us right now on the subway, 1860 01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:37,920 Speaker 1: fresh take countline NFL dot Com writer Greg Rosenthal. He 1861 01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,280 Speaker 1: is a co host of the Around the NFL podcast. 1862 01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,599 Speaker 1: It's been with the NFL dot Com since twenty twelve. Greg, 1863 01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,800 Speaker 1: John Murphy's team tasker up here in Buffalo. Thank you 1864 01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:49,800 Speaker 1: very much for joining us today, Gohead. You wrote an 1865 01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,320 Speaker 1: interesting thing that got our attention. One thing that each 1866 01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:56,599 Speaker 1: team in the NFL can do to improve their chances 1867 01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,960 Speaker 1: to get in the Super Bowl. Tell us about that concept. Obviously, 1868 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,439 Speaker 1: sea many teams, possibly including the Bills, need more than 1869 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,960 Speaker 1: just one thing, right they do, and so for some 1870 01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:09,360 Speaker 1: of the teams, it's kind of getting on the road 1871 01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,400 Speaker 1: to it. Although you know, in the NFL, you never 1872 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,519 Speaker 1: know you, you wouldn't have said the two thousand and 1873 01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,080 Speaker 1: one of Patriots or or the two thousand and nine 1874 01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:18,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals or had any chance to get to the super 1875 01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,680 Speaker 1: Bowl before those seasons, and they did it, and for 1876 01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,360 Speaker 1: the Bills. You know, this was written back before the 1877 01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,280 Speaker 1: super Bowl. Actually, just kind of when when fans are 1878 01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,760 Speaker 1: looking for a reason for hope, and I think it's 1879 01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:31,920 Speaker 1: something you guys, I'm sure I've talked a lot about, 1880 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,920 Speaker 1: and that's give Josh Allen a chance, and that's given 1881 01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,080 Speaker 1: more support with the line, with the talent around him, 1882 01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,400 Speaker 1: because I don't think as it's currently constituted, he has 1883 01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:45,519 Speaker 1: enough of a chance to be the best quarterback keepings. Yeah, 1884 01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,200 Speaker 1: it's interesting too that you said that. We here in 1885 01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,320 Speaker 1: Buffalo were saying it a lot, even in today's show. 1886 01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,680 Speaker 1: It's a pretty optimistic group for a six and ten 1887 01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,479 Speaker 1: squad last year, But it does all center around fixing 1888 01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:58,120 Speaker 1: the offensive line in front of him, give him some 1889 01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:01,599 Speaker 1: weapons on the outside. He was the most compelling player 1890 01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:03,920 Speaker 1: on the team to watch week to week, and it 1891 01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,720 Speaker 1: was easy to see the improvement he made. But just 1892 01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:08,960 Speaker 1: how far can they go even if they do give 1893 01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,960 Speaker 1: him a good offensive line and give him some weapons 1894 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:16,439 Speaker 1: on the outside sometimes that maybe that's all it's gonna take. 1895 01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,200 Speaker 1: But certainly maybe there's probably some other things that you 1896 01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,280 Speaker 1: see from the outside looking in that the bill should 1897 01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:25,920 Speaker 1: try and fix. Well, certainly they're counting on Sean McDermott 1898 01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:30,360 Speaker 1: to provide, you know, a real advantage schematically defensively that 1899 01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,479 Speaker 1: they're gonna have a sound because and for the most part, 1900 01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,680 Speaker 1: I think, you know, given the talent and everything, he 1901 01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,280 Speaker 1: has done that so you're gonna have to figure out 1902 01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,360 Speaker 1: how to win close games. But I think if you look, 1903 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, there's almost no position on the offense that 1904 01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:48,720 Speaker 1: they couldn't improve upon, like literally that they need help 1905 01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:52,200 Speaker 1: everywhere on the offense. And then you know, defensively, sure 1906 01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,519 Speaker 1: you'd love to haven't find an edge rusher in the 1907 01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:57,519 Speaker 1: draft or free agency because that's a little bit of 1908 01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,960 Speaker 1: a deeper position, just just to help help balance out, 1909 01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:02,920 Speaker 1: because that's the weapon for a quarterback too. Having a 1910 01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:07,040 Speaker 1: great people thy Greg, which team has the easiest route 1911 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,559 Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl isn't in fact the defending champions. 1912 01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:11,680 Speaker 1: I mean, what would the Patriots be looking to do 1913 01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:13,880 Speaker 1: to enhance their chances of going back next year and 1914 01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,519 Speaker 1: winning next year? No? I you know, I don't. I 1915 01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,760 Speaker 1: think the Chiefs I would immediately put as a team 1916 01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:22,560 Speaker 1: that would have an easier route. I mean the Patriots, 1917 01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,040 Speaker 1: they have a Trey Flowers of the free agent. They're 1918 01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,679 Speaker 1: only wide receiver they have right now is Julian Edelman. 1919 01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:31,200 Speaker 1: A million things came together for them defensively at the 1920 01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:32,840 Speaker 1: end of the last year. I think they kind of 1921 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,160 Speaker 1: played above their heads. So it's a typical Patriots offseason 1922 01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,240 Speaker 1: where they're probably gonna make just as many changes as 1923 01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,000 Speaker 1: a team like the Bills, because that's just that's just 1924 01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,280 Speaker 1: how they do things. And I think they're going to 1925 01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,200 Speaker 1: be looking for, you know, speed on the outside, certainly 1926 01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:51,920 Speaker 1: on offense if Gronk is retiring, they're gonna just pass 1927 01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:55,559 Speaker 1: catchers in general. And they really haven't done a great 1928 01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:59,600 Speaker 1: great job in the draft drafting defense. It's an older secondary, 1929 01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,160 Speaker 1: and so they need to hit and they have some 1930 01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,320 Speaker 1: picks this year in the top hundreds quite a bit. 1931 01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,439 Speaker 1: So they need to hit on some picks this year 1932 01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:08,880 Speaker 1: because they might say, good night of three Flowers, which 1933 01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,920 Speaker 1: team and do you think needs to improve or will 1934 01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,120 Speaker 1: be the biggest get the biggest jump if they improve 1935 01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,800 Speaker 1: their quarterback spot, because there's a couple out there that 1936 01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,720 Speaker 1: are looking for quarterbacks, and everybody's always looking for that guy. 1937 01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,760 Speaker 1: But which team will take the biggest jump and is 1938 01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,479 Speaker 1: ready to win if they just get the right trigger man. 1939 01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,080 Speaker 1: I think the Jaguars. It's funny this is a unique 1940 01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,200 Speaker 1: NFL right now that there's actually not that many teams 1941 01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,360 Speaker 1: looking for a quarterback. And you know, I kind of 1942 01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:36,160 Speaker 1: did an article about the quarterback market, and you know, 1943 01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:39,600 Speaker 1: the Jaguars certainly are, the Redskins certainly are, but they 1944 01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,880 Speaker 1: have a stream situation where they're paying Alex Smith's starting 1945 01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,840 Speaker 1: quarterback money and they're just gonna have to find another 1946 01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,280 Speaker 1: one because they're not counting on him playing this year. 1947 01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,160 Speaker 1: The Giants could be, but they're kind of playing this 1948 01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:54,000 Speaker 1: waiting game with Eli Manning, and I think Nick Foles 1949 01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,479 Speaker 1: is the guy they'd be interested in. But of those 1950 01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:59,360 Speaker 1: three that are I think the most desperate, Miami is 1951 01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,719 Speaker 1: another one a strow in there. I think the jaguarths 1952 01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,759 Speaker 1: have a chance if they can get a good quarterback. 1953 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,719 Speaker 1: With the defense that they have, and really they scheme 1954 01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,880 Speaker 1: up pretty good on offense for the most part last year. 1955 01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:11,960 Speaker 1: With the talent they have, they could get right back 1956 01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:13,760 Speaker 1: in the unit. I mean, part of that isn't A 1957 01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,639 Speaker 1: great part of that is the result of five first 1958 01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,519 Speaker 1: round quarterbacks last year, all five became starters. That quarterback 1959 01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,840 Speaker 1: demand was sort of taken care of for many teams 1960 01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,920 Speaker 1: in last year's draft. I would think, huh, absolutely, And 1961 01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,800 Speaker 1: then you look at the draft before too. You know, 1962 01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:32,040 Speaker 1: with Mahomes and Watson, you know that was not supposed 1963 01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:36,320 Speaker 1: to be a great Quarterbisky right Trubisky too is starting, 1964 01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,040 Speaker 1: and so you've had a really great young influx, and 1965 01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,880 Speaker 1: then the older guys like Freeze and Brady and Roethlisberger, Rivers, 1966 01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,080 Speaker 1: they're not going away. So right now you actually your 1967 01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,360 Speaker 1: most teams, I would say about twenty seven twenty eight 1968 01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:52,519 Speaker 1: teams know what they're gonna do, and there's about four 1969 01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,560 Speaker 1: or five that it's actually a good offseason to to 1970 01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,720 Speaker 1: kind of looking for these guys. But as you guys know, 1971 01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,800 Speaker 1: it's not easy to find quarterbacks. You in this draft, 1972 01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,519 Speaker 1: in the Nick Foles and in Teddy Bridgewater are probably 1973 01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:06,200 Speaker 1: the best that are going to be available in free agency. Yeah, 1974 01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,479 Speaker 1: for a league that has been looking for quarterbacks for 1975 01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,400 Speaker 1: a long long time, all of a sudden there seems 1976 01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:12,800 Speaker 1: to be some pretty intriguing guys out there that have 1977 01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,800 Speaker 1: put together pretty good seasons kind of from out an 1978 01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,680 Speaker 1: owner case, Keenum being one of those guys from kind 1979 01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:21,800 Speaker 1: of out of nowhere. He lands with the Vikings and 1980 01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,639 Speaker 1: has a great season and then ends up in Denver 1981 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,840 Speaker 1: and can't duplicate it. Now, it looks like he'll probably 1982 01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,280 Speaker 1: be gone from Denver now that they've traded for Joe Flaco. 1983 01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:34,519 Speaker 1: I mean that the musical chairs continues, but still it's 1984 01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,599 Speaker 1: the most important spot on the football team, and there's 1985 01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:41,240 Speaker 1: still seems to be some places that may retrade. I mean, 1986 01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:45,200 Speaker 1: Cheddy Bridgewater seems to be a hotter commodity week by week. Yeah, 1987 01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:47,880 Speaker 1: I think he's a guy when you look at there. 1988 01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm really curious with the Redskins and then the Giants 1989 01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:53,160 Speaker 1: are going to do. Those are teams that you don't 1990 01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,519 Speaker 1: think want to get into a rebuild that. You know, 1991 01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:59,200 Speaker 1: the Redskins situation with Alex Smith, you know, listeners, I mean, 1992 01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,080 Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, it's one of the toughest in sports 1993 01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,200 Speaker 1: right now. They are not expecting him to play football again. 1994 01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:06,040 Speaker 1: I think if he does, it'd be a pleasant surprise, 1995 01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,920 Speaker 1: but he is guaranteed starting quarterback money for the next 1996 01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:13,080 Speaker 1: two seasons because of the contract he signed when he 1997 01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,040 Speaker 1: went there, and so they're going to have to try 1998 01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,320 Speaker 1: to figure out how do we put this thing together 1999 01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:19,920 Speaker 1: when we're already paying another guy twenty million dollars on 2000 01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,559 Speaker 1: the cap, and that's where they're gonna have to get creative. 2001 01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:24,959 Speaker 1: Maybe with a guy like Keenum, and I think Bridgewater 2002 01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:26,559 Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense. I think he would 2003 01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,840 Speaker 1: fit in pretty nicely with Jake Gruden. With all the 2004 01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,400 Speaker 1: troubles I think the Redskins have had over the years, 2005 01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,120 Speaker 1: I think Jake rud has been a really good play 2006 01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:36,640 Speaker 1: caller and done a good job with his quarterback With 2007 01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:39,639 Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal from NFL dot com, he's a co host 2008 01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,599 Speaker 1: of There Around the NFL podcast. You and your team 2009 01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,559 Speaker 1: wrote an interesting story lately about kind of I think 2010 01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:50,880 Speaker 1: an under rated, undervalued part of the upcoming offseason moves. 2011 01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,559 Speaker 1: And that's not who gets signed in free agency, who's 2012 01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:57,120 Speaker 1: getting drafted, who gets cut. It's big teams make decisions. 2013 01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,799 Speaker 1: The Bills made a decision last Friday the led Charles Klago, 2014 01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,200 Speaker 1: which was forecast in your post. But who teams let go? 2015 01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,439 Speaker 1: A lot of it is contractual that says a lot 2016 01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:09,960 Speaker 1: about which direction NFL teams are heading, doesn't it? It does? 2017 01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,719 Speaker 1: And we're we're putting together our top hundred free agents 2018 01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,000 Speaker 1: that just you know, did my rough draft of it. 2019 01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:16,840 Speaker 1: But it's going to change quite a bit because a 2020 01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,919 Speaker 1: lot of these guys are intriguing. I mean, Malik Jackson's 2021 01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:21,960 Speaker 1: the guy I think it's gonna get cut justin Houston 2022 01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:24,880 Speaker 1: because he's making twenty million dollars, is going to get cut. 2023 01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,919 Speaker 1: Ryan canna Hill, you know, the quarterback for the Dolphins, 2024 01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,720 Speaker 1: could get released, I think. And there's Gerald McCoy if 2025 01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:33,880 Speaker 1: he gets cut by the Bucks, which there's some talk 2026 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,240 Speaker 1: that he might. To me, he goes near the top 2027 01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:41,160 Speaker 1: of this free agency list. So the group that you're 2028 01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:43,160 Speaker 1: kind of looking at, with all these lists that are 2029 01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:45,160 Speaker 1: out there, who could we pick up in free agency? 2030 01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:47,640 Speaker 1: It's so far from complete. And I think one thing 2031 01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,880 Speaker 1: to watch next week as the combine starts in the 2032 01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,320 Speaker 1: GMZO all start hanging out is I think you're going 2033 01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,360 Speaker 1: to see more and more trades we saw this last year, 2034 01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:57,200 Speaker 1: and I think you'll see some of these guys that 2035 01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,600 Speaker 1: would normally get cut, like a the Shawan Jacks that 2036 01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,800 Speaker 1: get traded for you know, a fifth round pick or 2037 01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:04,760 Speaker 1: something like that. You know, you sign up for one 2038 01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:06,600 Speaker 1: year of Sean Jackson and you give up a late 2039 01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:09,120 Speaker 1: round pick. That's That's how some seems like the Rams 2040 01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:11,400 Speaker 1: and the Eagles and the Patriots especially, who have done 2041 01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:14,760 Speaker 1: it well, have gotten great veterans over the last years. Greig, 2042 01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,439 Speaker 1: I got a guess that in the Bill's personnel department 2043 01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,519 Speaker 1: upstairs in next door building to us, not only do 2044 01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:23,080 Speaker 1: they have a list of potential free agents, but potential 2045 01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:26,160 Speaker 1: trade availabilities and guys are going to be street free 2046 01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,320 Speaker 1: agents cuts, right. I mean, they've got to do the homework, 2047 01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:31,240 Speaker 1: get into that range of it if they're gonna approach 2048 01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:33,360 Speaker 1: the next couple of the next six weeks or so, 2049 01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:37,280 Speaker 1: approaching in a meaningful fashion. Oh absolutely. I mean, you know, 2050 01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:42,000 Speaker 1: those pro personnel guys work long hours. Yeah, that's a 2051 01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,240 Speaker 1: lot of what they're doing in November, December, January, when 2052 01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,200 Speaker 1: you know they're they're not quite as busy on the 2053 01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:50,559 Speaker 1: pro side. They're finding guys to bring in, but they're 2054 01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:53,320 Speaker 1: getting these lists ready and they are absolutely ready for 2055 01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,200 Speaker 1: let's say, Okay, Sean Lee gets cut by the Cowboys. 2056 01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,720 Speaker 1: Is that a guy that could possibly fit you know, 2057 01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:02,640 Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon who I just mentioned with the Giants, or 2058 01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,320 Speaker 1: Jason Peters even for the Eagles. Is that a guy 2059 01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:07,400 Speaker 1: that you you know, I know, yeah, you guys have 2060 01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:10,519 Speaker 1: had your great experience history here with him, right. Is 2061 01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:12,840 Speaker 1: that a guy that another team's gonna maybe you know, 2062 01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:15,439 Speaker 1: smell around that that could we trade for him for 2063 01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:17,639 Speaker 1: a late round pick because he's worth so much money 2064 01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:19,960 Speaker 1: and so they're doing all that work. And I think 2065 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:23,000 Speaker 1: that the best gms right now are the most flexible ones. 2066 01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,479 Speaker 1: I think the Eagles and the Ram to me really 2067 01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,600 Speaker 1: stand out in the Patriots too, of the teams that 2068 01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,479 Speaker 1: have been really creative with how they've used their trades 2069 01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:33,439 Speaker 1: over the last few years. If you look with the 2070 01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:35,519 Speaker 1: Patriots that like the guys in the Super Bowl, you know, 2071 01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:38,719 Speaker 1: Cordarell Patterson, Philip store Set, you know, these aren't star 2072 01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:42,640 Speaker 1: players that they're playing meaningful roles. Kyle van Noy, you know, 2073 01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:44,840 Speaker 1: those are guys that they've picked up for six round 2074 01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,760 Speaker 1: draftis Jason mccordy's another one in trades kind of at 2075 01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:50,519 Speaker 1: this time of year, didn't make a lot of noise, 2076 01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:52,640 Speaker 1: but they ended up being really good players. When you 2077 01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:54,519 Speaker 1: and you said about this time of year. What do 2078 01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,960 Speaker 1: you think, you know, when's the time frame for this? 2079 01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:59,560 Speaker 1: You know, if it does happen, this little rash of 2080 01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,080 Speaker 1: trade age that has become more common in the NFL, 2081 01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,559 Speaker 1: what triggers it and when can we expect it? Well, 2082 01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:08,200 Speaker 1: we saw the Joe Flacco and that's early and technically 2083 01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:10,360 Speaker 1: it's against the rules. And I do wonder if the 2084 01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,040 Speaker 1: league won't come down on this that you know, it's 2085 01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:16,160 Speaker 1: not sup post to happen until those three days before 2086 01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,920 Speaker 1: that the league year starts, which is March ninth. I 2087 01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:21,799 Speaker 1: believe this year, but I think it'll really start happening 2088 01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,560 Speaker 1: next week in Indianapolis, because that's when everyone's in the 2089 01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:27,320 Speaker 1: same town and you start talking. And that's last year 2090 01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,080 Speaker 1: when some of these trades started to trickle out. I 2091 01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:33,120 Speaker 1: can think of Marcus. Marcus Peters trade to the Los 2092 01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,800 Speaker 1: Angeles happened then and then and then it really picks 2093 01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:39,320 Speaker 1: up basically when free agency starts suddenly, they'll be kind 2094 01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:42,360 Speaker 1: of a wave of these types of movies. Hey, yeah, Greg, 2095 01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:45,920 Speaker 1: we're two days into the period when teams can slap 2096 01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:48,320 Speaker 1: a tag on a player. Am I missing something? Isn't 2097 01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:51,439 Speaker 1: in one franchise or transition tag us yet in the 2098 01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:54,479 Speaker 1: NFL right now, there's no and I get and I 2099 01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:58,760 Speaker 1: understand why. In most cases, you know, the player doesn't 2100 01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,280 Speaker 1: want it, and so they're going to use every hour 2101 01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:05,439 Speaker 1: or most of the hours in this window to use 2102 01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,720 Speaker 1: the tag to try to work out a long term deal, 2103 01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:10,280 Speaker 1: because I think that shows a good space effort by 2104 01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:12,760 Speaker 1: the team. But in the end, there's a lot of 2105 01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,080 Speaker 1: players that are going to get tacked the market. Florence 2106 01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,800 Speaker 1: d Ford, Frank Clark, Jadevian Clowney like these either no 2107 01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:22,120 Speaker 1: brainers like they are happening if a long term deal 2108 01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:24,400 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. And that's really the key to it. I mean, 2109 01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:27,280 Speaker 1: these teams have this window to get it done and 2110 01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,120 Speaker 1: then that's it. And do you think that the transition 2111 01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:33,400 Speaker 1: or the franchise tag and the transition tag it's a 2112 01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:36,040 Speaker 1: little brother. Do you think that's going to stick around 2113 01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,640 Speaker 1: for any while longer, because it seems it seems like 2114 01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,760 Speaker 1: it's time for that to go away. That's a really 2115 01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,439 Speaker 1: interesting question. Honestly, I haven't thought about it that much 2116 01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:47,519 Speaker 1: that the next CBA is coming up in twenty twenty 2117 01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:50,919 Speaker 1: one to twenty twenty two, and I think you're absolutely 2118 01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,600 Speaker 1: right that that's something that the players will try to 2119 01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:57,400 Speaker 1: adjust to get as a piece that they are given back, 2120 01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, for something. Maybe they make it, maybe they 2121 01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:03,400 Speaker 1: just back it off where you can use it one time, 2122 01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:05,320 Speaker 1: you can't use it two years in a row. I mean, 2123 01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,120 Speaker 1: some of these guys that are getting it two years 2124 01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:09,600 Speaker 1: in a row, I think maybe they get rid of that. 2125 01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:11,800 Speaker 1: But that is something I totally agree to me that 2126 01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,280 Speaker 1: they could they could try to get rid of for 2127 01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:16,040 Speaker 1: the next CBA. And the tags are used so differently 2128 01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,439 Speaker 1: now than they were even three to five years ago, 2129 01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:21,360 Speaker 1: aren't they, Greg. I mean, it wasn't even an envisioned 2130 01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:22,920 Speaker 1: that tags will be used the way they are now. 2131 01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:25,920 Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, I think that's true. And I 2132 01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:29,520 Speaker 1: think one of the under you know, kind of reported 2133 01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,320 Speaker 1: parts of this whole salary cap era is, you know, 2134 01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,519 Speaker 1: there's just way more room now than there was five 2135 01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:36,240 Speaker 1: years ago. And that's why I think the tags are 2136 01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:40,000 Speaker 1: a little different in that it's because the salary cap 2137 01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,719 Speaker 1: has gone up so much. I think salary cap space 2138 01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:46,400 Speaker 1: actually has become a little overrated. There's some teams that just, uh, 2139 01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, I believe I'm trying to think of what 2140 01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:53,880 Speaker 1: the bills have right now behind the Cults and the Jets. 2141 01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,920 Speaker 1: It's great to have that flexibility, but when most of 2142 01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:01,320 Speaker 1: the league has enough rooms, I'm you know, what they need, 2143 01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:04,439 Speaker 1: it's not as big of an advantage, you know. I mean, 2144 01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,240 Speaker 1: there's only so many great players in free agency that 2145 01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:10,040 Speaker 1: you want to sign, and the key is drafting enough 2146 01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:13,040 Speaker 1: guys that you want to spend big money on that 2147 01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:16,280 Speaker 1: are your guys that you keep long term, because sometimes 2148 01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's like the Browns, they're not gonna be 2149 01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:19,519 Speaker 1: able to spend the Cult are going to be able 2150 01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:21,479 Speaker 1: to spend one hundred million dollars in free agency. It's 2151 01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,920 Speaker 1: not necessarily a huge advantage over the teams that have 2152 01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:28,280 Speaker 1: let's say forty fifty million, because because that's puny great. 2153 01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:30,840 Speaker 1: To that point, I get an interview with our general 2154 01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,040 Speaker 1: manager a couple of weeks ago, and we're talking about 2155 01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:34,960 Speaker 1: free agency, and I just wrote up the story today, 2156 01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,559 Speaker 1: which is why this quote was in my mind. Brandon 2157 01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,040 Speaker 1: mean talking about a million. You know, they have eighty 2158 01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,960 Speaker 1: million dollars eighty two million dollars cap space, But here's 2159 01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:46,320 Speaker 1: this quote, Brandon mean, we've got cap room and we're 2160 01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,280 Speaker 1: going to use it to fill some holes. But we've 2161 01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:50,080 Speaker 1: also got to be wise with our money so that 2162 01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:52,840 Speaker 1: when these veteran guys are headed into years three and 2163 01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:56,160 Speaker 1: four for Dabus White Milano, that those people when they 2164 01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:58,439 Speaker 1: come up, we have money to spend. So right, it 2165 01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:01,360 Speaker 1: goes exactly what you're saying. Smart general managers of which 2166 01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:03,280 Speaker 1: I believe Brandon Mean is one of them, know that 2167 01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,240 Speaker 1: don't go crazy spending your your salary cap money. Know 2168 01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:08,800 Speaker 1: that you're going to have to keep it for the 2169 01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,080 Speaker 1: guys that you've drafted that you want to keep around, 2170 01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:14,800 Speaker 1: absolutely because you know those guys. Hey, you know when 2171 01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:17,639 Speaker 1: it's free agency, you know, most free agents get there 2172 01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,400 Speaker 1: for a reason. Now, sometimes it's something with a contract 2173 01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:23,160 Speaker 1: or just a particular situation and it's a great pickup, 2174 01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,840 Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's always a little bit buy 2175 01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,519 Speaker 1: or be aware if a team lets a player go. 2176 01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:30,479 Speaker 1: So you want to be able to target, You want 2177 01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:32,600 Speaker 1: to be able to have a three year plan like 2178 01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:34,920 Speaker 1: like Brandon Beans does of course, and then I think 2179 01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:37,640 Speaker 1: that the way you really win in free agency is 2180 01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,840 Speaker 1: teams that have done it with these short term deals. 2181 01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:45,160 Speaker 1: Now that okay, we're keeping our money open long term. 2182 01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:47,360 Speaker 1: The Vikings have done a good job I think signing 2183 01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:49,720 Speaker 1: a lot of guys long terms, but hey, we can 2184 01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:52,720 Speaker 1: we're making a push. Now, Let's sign Sheldon Richardson to 2185 01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:55,880 Speaker 1: a one year contract. Let's let's get a veteran running 2186 01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:58,519 Speaker 1: back like Olatavia's Murray for one year and they fit 2187 01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:00,720 Speaker 1: holes for one year, but they don't hurt you too 2188 01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:03,800 Speaker 1: much long term. And it's interesting too, because really, the 2189 01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:07,320 Speaker 1: hottest commodity on the trade market right now seems to 2190 01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:10,080 Speaker 1: be Antonio Brown and he seems to be his own 2191 01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:13,920 Speaker 1: worst enemy. What do you make of that situation? Do 2192 01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:15,600 Speaker 1: you think where's he going to land? And there's some 2193 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, we just had Andrew Brandt on a minute ago. 2194 01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,439 Speaker 1: He thinks he'll still be a Steeler because there's going 2195 01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:22,240 Speaker 1: to be a hard market to get rid of him. 2196 01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:25,559 Speaker 1: I do think the Steelers are more likely than almost 2197 01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,360 Speaker 1: any team that, if they didn't get the right offer, 2198 01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:31,920 Speaker 1: would try to make this work. I think the best 2199 01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:34,640 Speaker 1: offers will probably come in April, and so this is 2200 01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:37,439 Speaker 1: just a story that everyone who covers the NFL is 2201 01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:41,200 Speaker 1: going to be sick of by that if not already, right, 2202 01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:43,040 Speaker 1: if they're not already, because I think I think it's 2203 01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:44,800 Speaker 1: going to be Draft day I think a team though, 2204 01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:46,920 Speaker 1: like the forty nine Ers, the one I would watch 2205 01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:50,280 Speaker 1: really closely, who has draft picks, who on draft Day 2206 01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:53,720 Speaker 1: can start trading down accumulating them, and then you use 2207 01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,519 Speaker 1: a first round draft pick to trade Antonio Brown. I 2208 01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:59,920 Speaker 1: ultimately think he's too good and he's too hard to work. 2209 01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:02,320 Speaker 1: It's not a guy who's known as a guy who 2210 01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,800 Speaker 1: slacks off. I mean, he takes his craft seriously, even 2211 01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:07,920 Speaker 1: if he's been a pain for the Steelers, and he's 2212 01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:10,559 Speaker 1: a Hall of famer who's still playing at a very 2213 01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:13,120 Speaker 1: high level. I have a hard time believing a team 2214 01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:14,880 Speaker 1: that doesn't want to get better. Let's say, like the 2215 01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:17,240 Speaker 1: forty nine Ers that needs some help. We'll take a 2216 01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:19,559 Speaker 1: chance on him. Keep an eye on that one. Hey, Greg, 2217 01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:21,840 Speaker 1: thanks for spending some time with us here today. Great 2218 01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:24,360 Speaker 1: work at NFL dot com. Hope we talk again soon. 2219 01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:27,000 Speaker 1: Thank you. Austen talking to you guys. See you, Leader 2220 01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:31,040 Speaker 1: dot Com writer co host of the Around the NFL podcast, 2221 01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:33,800 Speaker 1: joined us on the Subway Fresh take outline presented by 2222 01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:37,599 Speaker 1: Subway Restaurants proud to be locally owned and operated. Steve. 2223 01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:40,240 Speaker 1: We're less than three weeks away from free agency. The 2224 01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:42,720 Speaker 1: opening of free agency March thirteenth, and I was thinking 2225 01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:45,000 Speaker 1: about it today, which is why when Greg had that 2226 01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:49,240 Speaker 1: statement about, you know, saving some of your cap space 2227 01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,479 Speaker 1: for the players already on your roster. Right, I'm beginning 2228 01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:53,720 Speaker 1: to wonder if the Bills make anything more than a 2229 01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:56,559 Speaker 1: ripple in the free agent market. Look, we've talked about 2230 01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,080 Speaker 1: it for a couple of weeks. Here what the Bills 2231 01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:00,320 Speaker 1: can do in free agency. We will talk about it 2232 01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:04,040 Speaker 1: again over the next three weeks because we're starved for content. 2233 01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:08,280 Speaker 1: But seriously, it sounds like and I was looking over 2234 01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:10,640 Speaker 1: the quotes. I talked to uh Brandon Bean at the 2235 01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:14,719 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. I talked to Joe Shane, the personnel director 2236 01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:17,519 Speaker 1: of the vice president of or the Bill's assistant GM, 2237 01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:20,680 Speaker 1: and Dan Morgan, the vice president of player personnel, and 2238 01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:23,040 Speaker 1: they all said pretty much the same thing, being said, 2239 01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:25,120 Speaker 1: we will use our money, we'll fill some halls, but 2240 01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:28,240 Speaker 1: we want to continue to draft, developed and sign our own. 2241 01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean getting to wonder if they'll make anything more 2242 01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:32,240 Speaker 1: than just a little ripple in the free agent market. 2243 01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:35,200 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna sign more than one player free 2244 01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:37,040 Speaker 1: agent market. And I don't mean you know, I mean, 2245 01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:38,800 Speaker 1: obviously they're going to because I got to fill out 2246 01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:40,559 Speaker 1: their roster. But I think in this free agent market 2247 01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:42,880 Speaker 1: veterans around the National Football League, it'll be more than 2248 01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:46,040 Speaker 1: one guy. But I think it'll be a guy. For instance, 2249 01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:49,120 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example like a Malik Jackson, whom 2250 01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,240 Speaker 1: this according to Greg Rosenthal, who he just hung up with. 2251 01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,559 Speaker 1: He says, listen, he's enjoyed a sneaky good three year 2252 01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:59,000 Speaker 1: run in Jacksonville. He was not a huge liability, but 2253 01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:02,879 Speaker 1: he was a smart part time role. He was supposed 2254 01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:05,439 Speaker 1: to make thirteen million bucks this next year. So the Jags, 2255 01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:07,479 Speaker 1: he expects the Jacks to cut a guy like Malik 2256 01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:09,840 Speaker 1: Jackson who's actually played pretty well for him, but they're 2257 01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,240 Speaker 1: not getting thirteen million dollars of value from him. Plus 2258 01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:15,320 Speaker 1: the Jaguars, because of the Blake boardles twenty million dollars 2259 01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:18,040 Speaker 1: hit on their cap. You know, they can't afford guys 2260 01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:21,120 Speaker 1: like that. You could get a guy like Malik Jackson 2261 01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:24,000 Speaker 1: for maybe six or seven million dollars a year that 2262 01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:26,760 Speaker 1: doesn't break your bank. He's a solid, rotational player who 2263 01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:28,960 Speaker 1: gives you some good product production. Now that's not going 2264 01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:30,960 Speaker 1: to be a big splashy move, but those are the 2265 01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,880 Speaker 1: kind of moves where the six or seven million bucks 2266 01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,519 Speaker 1: you give a guy like Malik Jackson, you get six 2267 01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:38,920 Speaker 1: or seven million bucks of production. And when you get 2268 01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,640 Speaker 1: enough guys doing that, you're getting value out of your 2269 01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:44,240 Speaker 1: roster and you win games that way. And it sounds 2270 01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:47,160 Speaker 1: like a math problem to win games, but that's kind 2271 01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:49,160 Speaker 1: of the way you have to think about it. So 2272 01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:51,240 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the level of free agent 2273 01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm looking at. We had a DT king Kabulla on yesterday. 2274 01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,120 Speaker 1: She described the tight end for the Steelers. It's probably 2275 01:52:57,120 --> 01:52:59,280 Speaker 1: going to be a free agent Jesse James. He's not 2276 01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:02,120 Speaker 1: the fastest guys, not the heaviest guy. He's a good 2277 01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:04,639 Speaker 1: blocker and oka blocker. You're not gonna have to break 2278 01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:06,240 Speaker 1: the bank to get him. But when you get on 2279 01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:09,479 Speaker 1: the field, this guy produces. So that's the kind of guy. 2280 01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:12,040 Speaker 1: You can bet that the Bills will be looking for 2281 01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:14,000 Speaker 1: guys that are going to play up to their value 2282 01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:17,120 Speaker 1: that they have to pay him, because you know, stereotypically 2283 01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:20,120 Speaker 1: you always feel like you always overpaid for those guys. 2284 01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:21,960 Speaker 1: And if you can get those guys to play up 2285 01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:26,400 Speaker 1: to their potential whatever that money is, that puts you 2286 01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:29,040 Speaker 1: closer maximizing your roster. Yeah, we've been say I'm gonna 2287 01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:30,559 Speaker 1: stop saying it, but we've been saying and I've been 2288 01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:32,680 Speaker 1: guilty of it for a couple of weeks now since 2289 01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:34,840 Speaker 1: last season ended. The Bills have a ton of cap space. 2290 01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:37,000 Speaker 1: They do. Only the Colts and the Jets have more 2291 01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:40,439 Speaker 1: eighty two points something million dollars in cap space this year. 2292 01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:45,400 Speaker 1: But to think, what depends on what website you go on. 2293 01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:47,639 Speaker 1: But yes, they're up to the top of the league. 2294 01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:49,160 Speaker 1: They're the top five of the league at least with 2295 01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:51,400 Speaker 1: cap space. To think that they're going to go on 2296 01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:54,040 Speaker 1: a spending spree, I think is flawed thinking. I don't, 2297 01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:57,519 Speaker 1: especially given their track record, what they've done in free agency, 2298 01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:00,560 Speaker 1: the type of signings they've made. Um, I don't know. 2299 01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:02,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't look for that. Let's not hold out too 2300 01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:04,559 Speaker 1: much hope for that. I wouldn't either. But here's the thing, 2301 01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:07,160 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't even be afraid. I mean, they're sitting 2302 01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:11,040 Speaker 1: here this I'm at over thecap dot com. They've got 2303 01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:14,280 Speaker 1: him at four seventy nine million dollars left. But I 2304 01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't even be afraid to go into the end of 2305 01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:19,479 Speaker 1: the season say, having forty five or fifty million bucks 2306 01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:21,760 Speaker 1: in deb cap space. If during the season, all of 2307 01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:24,439 Speaker 1: a sudden we find out they signed Tradevious White to 2308 01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:26,640 Speaker 1: an extension. I don't even know if he's eligible for 2309 01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:28,439 Speaker 1: an extension, but you know what I mean, one of 2310 01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:31,200 Speaker 1: their top draft picks from four, four years ago or 2311 01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:33,360 Speaker 1: five years ago, they signed him to an extension. Now 2312 01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:35,200 Speaker 1: they've got him wrapped up for a couple of years. 2313 01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:37,800 Speaker 1: They signed, say, a guy like Micah Hyde to an 2314 01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:40,560 Speaker 1: extra year onto his contract and start handing it out 2315 01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:44,480 Speaker 1: to guys who are really being productive. I'm telling you 2316 01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:46,480 Speaker 1: what though, I'm I'm I'm all for it if they 2317 01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:48,520 Speaker 1: can get a guy on their roster that's really going 2318 01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,600 Speaker 1: to play well for him and whoever it is from 2319 01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:52,520 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, but I'm always excited to see him 2320 01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:55,240 Speaker 1: sign guys, Murph. I want to see a guy that's 2321 01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:59,080 Speaker 1: on a spot we really need receiver. Yeah, I agree. 2322 01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:01,520 Speaker 1: I mean, they did it. Spend Long. Spencer Long is 2323 01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:05,400 Speaker 1: one of their starting five right now. Given his pedigree 2324 01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:07,800 Speaker 1: and what I saw from him last year with the Jets, 2325 01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:12,280 Speaker 1: he played for them, started for them last year, He's 2326 01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:14,400 Speaker 1: got to be plugged in right now. Probably on their 2327 01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:16,040 Speaker 1: depth chart at one of the top one of the 2328 01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:18,680 Speaker 1: top two guard spots on their on their roster. Hey yeah, 2329 01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:21,200 Speaker 1: news from around the league. The Bengals finally have hired 2330 01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:24,640 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. They hired Giants defensive backs coach Lou 2331 01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:27,440 Speaker 1: and A Rumo. He was the defensive backs coach in 2332 01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:30,880 Speaker 1: New York with the Giants. He worked with new Bengals 2333 01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,160 Speaker 1: head coach Zach Taylor on this coaching staff of the 2334 01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:36,839 Speaker 1: Dolphins for a couple of years twenty twelve through twenty fifteen. 2335 01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:38,760 Speaker 1: And we have an answer. We had the caller a 2336 01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:42,120 Speaker 1: little bit earlier on talking about the the CFL game 2337 01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:44,480 Speaker 1: that the Bills played, and you got the details on 2338 01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:49,040 Speaker 1: that or I've got it's a Montreal Gazette article was 2339 01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:52,280 Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen, eighteen sixty was nineteen sixty one? I got 2340 01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:56,520 Speaker 1: mine was nineteen yeah, okay, maybe it is nineteen sixty one. Yeah, 2341 01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,840 Speaker 1: it is August ninth. Then they the Hamilton Tiger Cats 2342 01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:02,800 Speaker 1: eat the Buffalo Bills thirty eight to twenty one. They 2343 01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:07,360 Speaker 1: were playing Canadian rules. Yeah, yeah, they played Canadian rules 2344 01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:12,880 Speaker 1: and um, let's see, uh yeah, and it was you know, 2345 01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:16,240 Speaker 1: they jumped out to a big lead and uh and 2346 01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:19,000 Speaker 1: the Bills couldn't couldn't close the gap, so it was 2347 01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:22,520 Speaker 1: they ran a pair of touchdown shook up their later 2348 01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:26,720 Speaker 1: as the Cats drove to a touchdown. Fourth, it was Hamlet, Yeah, 2349 01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:30,920 Speaker 1: there was in Hamilton's and it was Canadian rules they played. Yeah, 2350 01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:32,840 Speaker 1: they played the Canadian rules. And and the words they 2351 01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:35,480 Speaker 1: use in the article, I can't even follow when they 2352 01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:38,080 Speaker 1: started talking about, you know, the game and who was playing, 2353 01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:40,320 Speaker 1: and they've got yeah, I don't know what, I don't 2354 01:56:40,360 --> 01:56:42,520 Speaker 1: know what it is, but it's a strange. It's a 2355 01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:45,200 Speaker 1: strange article as nineteen sixty one, so it was fifty 2356 01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:49,640 Speaker 1: sixty years ago. But they threatened to wipe out the 2357 01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:52,120 Speaker 1: tie Cats margin. They the Bills ran a pair of 2358 01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:54,640 Speaker 1: touchdowns and shook up the tie Cats on other occasions, 2359 01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:57,160 Speaker 1: only to fall apart later as the tie Cats drove 2360 01:56:57,480 --> 01:56:59,880 Speaker 1: to a field goal and a converted touchdown that came 2361 01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:04,360 Speaker 1: in the dying minutes, when Constantino, fourth and last of 2362 01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:07,960 Speaker 1: the Hamilton's quarterbacks, the fourth quarterback to play, found Ralph 2363 01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:12,640 Speaker 1: Goldston on a sixth yard forward pass that sent the 2364 01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:15,120 Speaker 1: Hamilton Tiger Cats back all the way. How many people 2365 01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:17,920 Speaker 1: go to a typical tie Cats game well this one had. 2366 01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:21,880 Speaker 1: It's a twenty five thousand seat stadium and they sell 2367 01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,960 Speaker 1: it out. That would be a It will never happen 2368 01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:27,000 Speaker 1: on a regular basis. But if the Bills played the 2369 01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:29,720 Speaker 1: tie Cats here or in Hamilton, people would come to 2370 01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:32,520 Speaker 1: watch it, don't you think. I think, yeah, Hamilton people 2371 01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,520 Speaker 1: would come. Buffalo. It would depend on what you know, 2372 01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:39,640 Speaker 1: what rules. I think people would be into that. Let 2373 01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:44,320 Speaker 1: me see, I never happened. Yeah, it will never happen. 2374 01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:47,480 Speaker 1: It will never happen. And I can't believe I wrote. 2375 01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:50,280 Speaker 1: I read it, and I can't believe. I can't find 2376 01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:55,240 Speaker 1: the spot where it says it was Canadian rules. Yeah, 2377 01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:56,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't find it either. I thought I was only 2378 01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:00,160 Speaker 1: the same article. All right, Well, all right, hey, we 2379 01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:01,960 Speaker 1: got NFL true and false coming up. We got a 2380 01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:03,920 Speaker 1: little bit of news on a former Bills running back 2381 01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:06,120 Speaker 1: who maybe coming back to the NFL. All of that 2382 01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:08,200 Speaker 1: when we return. You're welcome to join us. Phone lines 2383 01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:10,960 Speaker 1: open eight O three five fifty toll free one eight 2384 01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:14,240 Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty one. Bill's Live 2385 01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,560 Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health from one Bill's Drive. This is 2386 01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:36,680 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Roll a little along with One Bill's 2387 01:58:36,720 --> 01:58:39,560 Speaker 1: Live from One Bill's Drive, John Murphy, Steve Tasker, thanks 2388 01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:43,320 Speaker 1: for tuning in today. This came across overnight, Steve, did 2389 01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,800 Speaker 1: you see this? Carlos Williams, former Bills draft pick, former 2390 01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:51,040 Speaker 1: running back the league. The NFL has decided to reinstate 2391 01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:53,000 Speaker 1: Carlos Williams, a fifth round pick of the Bills in 2392 01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:56,240 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, at a great rookie year, looked like he 2393 01:58:56,440 --> 01:58:58,800 Speaker 1: was on for big things. Appeared in eleven games that 2394 01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:01,800 Speaker 1: first year, five hundred seven teen yards. The next year 2395 01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:04,360 Speaker 1: fell off, and then then of course showed up to 2396 01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:06,880 Speaker 1: training camp out of shape the following year. Got a 2397 01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:09,320 Speaker 1: four game suspension in July of twenty sixteen, and the 2398 01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:11,920 Speaker 1: Bills released him in late August of that year. Well, 2399 01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:16,000 Speaker 1: Carlos Williams has been reinstated by the NFL, which means 2400 01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:17,640 Speaker 1: he is free to sign with another team if he 2401 01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:19,800 Speaker 1: can get somebody to commit. That'll be tough for a 2402 01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:21,760 Speaker 1: moment to be out of the league for a year 2403 01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:24,040 Speaker 1: and almost two years to try to come back at 2404 01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:25,800 Speaker 1: this point, he didn't he go to Pittsburgh for a 2405 01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:28,320 Speaker 1: while to camp. I think, yeah, he went to Pittsburgh, 2406 01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:32,320 Speaker 1: but didn't really make that roster. No. Yeah, he's struggled 2407 01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:36,240 Speaker 1: to stay in shape and stay free of suspensions. He's 2408 01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:41,880 Speaker 1: just got he's only been what has it does conditionally reinstated, Yes, 2409 01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:45,400 Speaker 1: which means he's probably got to go through you know, 2410 01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:50,080 Speaker 1: tests and the program or whatever. Yeah, he's and he's 2411 01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:51,360 Speaker 1: got to get in shape. I mean that was the 2412 01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:54,760 Speaker 1: thing that killed him here. He showed up thirty five 2413 01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:58,120 Speaker 1: pounds heavy after having a really nice rookie season, you 2414 01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:01,400 Speaker 1: remember that, right, and he has outstand ninety carries for 2415 02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:05,920 Speaker 1: five hundred yards. He was a pretty good player and yeah, 2416 02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:10,840 Speaker 1: just never he couldn't keep it going. He's one of 2417 02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:12,840 Speaker 1: those players that had a goal of playing in the NFL. 2418 02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Once he got there, he had nothing to play for. 2419 02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:16,640 Speaker 1: That was tough to and he just followed those when 2420 02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:19,320 Speaker 1: he fell apart here and then you hate to see it. Yeah, 2421 02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:22,120 Speaker 1: And I hope he takes advantage of the second chance 2422 02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:24,280 Speaker 1: he's been given to get on a roster somewhere. I 2423 02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:28,920 Speaker 1: really do. Um. I'm surprised he's not on the AF Yeah, 2424 02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:32,360 Speaker 1: a little bit late now, I would think, you know, yeah, hey, 2425 02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:34,480 Speaker 1: our Twitter poll today, we want to revisit that and 2426 02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:36,960 Speaker 1: let you know that it's it's kind of a runaway 2427 02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:39,640 Speaker 1: on the Twitter poll who would be the breakout player 2428 02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:41,600 Speaker 1: on the Bill's defense this year? Who do you guess 2429 02:00:41,680 --> 02:00:43,960 Speaker 1: it might be? And right now most of the seventy 2430 02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:47,400 Speaker 1: few percent say Tremin Edmonds, twelve percent say Shack Lawson, 2431 02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:51,200 Speaker 1: nine percent say cornerback Levi Wallace, and seven percent of 2432 02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:53,560 Speaker 1: somebody else. And I got some tweets on this from 2433 02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:55,800 Speaker 1: the tweet sheet who will be the breakout player for 2434 02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:59,120 Speaker 1: the Buffalo defense in twenty nineteen? Nick Blake I voted Edmonds. 2435 02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:01,760 Speaker 1: The man is not only huge but super athletic, will 2436 02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:03,760 Speaker 1: be the best inside linebacker in the NFL within the 2437 02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:08,720 Speaker 1: next few years. That'd be great Erkyll Eaton junior tweets 2438 02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:11,760 Speaker 1: in I think Tarn Johnson will come back from injury 2439 02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:13,240 Speaker 1: and have a stellar year. We didn't put him on 2440 02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:15,080 Speaker 1: the list of choices, but that's a good one. He 2441 02:01:15,200 --> 02:01:17,760 Speaker 1: had a good, really good rookie year. Terren Johnson fourth 2442 02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:20,520 Speaker 1: round pick, then got hurt, actually was hurt all season, 2443 02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:22,440 Speaker 1: played through it, couldn't do it anymore at the end 2444 02:01:22,440 --> 02:01:24,839 Speaker 1: of the year. But he can have a breakout campaign. 2445 02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:27,640 Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna be a slack guy. I would think, um, 2446 02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:31,640 Speaker 1: And I don't know if that means that it's critical 2447 02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:33,800 Speaker 1: and you gotta have one of those guys. I mean, ever, 2448 02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:37,160 Speaker 1: that's as crucial. It's as crucial as he used to be. 2449 02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Now that a nickel back. You know, you gotta have 2450 02:01:39,240 --> 02:01:42,280 Speaker 1: somebody like that. It's yeah, it's it's gonna be fun 2451 02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:44,320 Speaker 1: to watch. I think there's a lot of intriguing players. 2452 02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:46,080 Speaker 1: We got got to know a lot of them this year. 2453 02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:49,040 Speaker 1: They're they're resigning guys. Now, this soft season is going 2454 02:01:49,080 --> 02:01:52,640 Speaker 1: to be a blast, mostly because of the optimism surrounding 2455 02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:58,680 Speaker 1: the fact that everybody the expectations are legitimately raised from 2456 02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:02,360 Speaker 1: last year significantly. That's always a fun place to be. Yep. 2457 02:02:02,720 --> 02:02:05,560 Speaker 1: The sad part is when they don't meet those expectations, 2458 02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:07,640 Speaker 1: and the fun part is when they exceed them, the 2459 02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:10,360 Speaker 1: really fun part. So it's it's all out there for 2460 02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:13,640 Speaker 1: him and we're starting to get inklings of how that's 2461 02:02:13,680 --> 02:02:15,400 Speaker 1: going to look with the players they're signing. The gotta 2462 02:02:15,400 --> 02:02:17,280 Speaker 1: call on the line from Jim and Olean. Hello, Jim, 2463 02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:20,160 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Go ahead, you're on the air, hey, 2464 02:02:20,280 --> 02:02:24,720 Speaker 1: long time listener and love Steve Tasker you guys, Thank 2465 02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:27,320 Speaker 1: you I think I wanted to call in yesterday a 2466 02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,840 Speaker 1: couple of thoughts. Josh Allen, He's gonna be a good one. 2467 02:02:30,040 --> 02:02:32,880 Speaker 1: I had he didn't take this ten years back when 2468 02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,760 Speaker 1: Steve was playing, and now doing it all over again 2469 02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:39,600 Speaker 1: with the Motor Home and the Mafia land and the 2470 02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:43,000 Speaker 1: kids come down from college. We're having fun. So I 2471 02:02:43,120 --> 02:02:45,680 Speaker 1: think Josh Allen is gonna he's the answer. He's gonna 2472 02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:50,520 Speaker 1: be a good one. Thank the line, all right, Steven Movis. 2473 02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:53,240 Speaker 1: But how many offensive line in the NFL, which is 2474 02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:56,800 Speaker 1: in the whole world three hundred? Well, there's there's probably 2475 02:02:56,960 --> 02:02:59,720 Speaker 1: eight guys on thirty two teams. So if you can 2476 02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:01,840 Speaker 1: do the math, Murph, what is it two hundred and 2477 02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:06,280 Speaker 1: fifty probably liked he said, you would know two thirty 2478 02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:08,640 Speaker 1: two fifty in the world playing in the NFL. So 2479 02:03:08,720 --> 02:03:12,120 Speaker 1: I always remember Bill Parcels fifteen years ago, him and 2480 02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:14,600 Speaker 1: the offensive lineman and and I'm gonna teach them how 2481 02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:17,520 Speaker 1: to black and teach them. Thank Jim, We're gonna have 2482 02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:20,120 Speaker 1: a good offensive line. They're great athletes. All that ten 2483 02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:23,800 Speaker 1: I have. Oh, I guess I'm going I was glad 2484 02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:25,960 Speaker 1: they got rid of the offensive line coach. This year, 2485 02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:29,240 Speaker 1: and I'll be I'll listen, see what you guys think. Well, okay, yeah, 2486 02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:31,280 Speaker 1: we agree. That's the key. I mean, it's crucial to 2487 02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:33,520 Speaker 1: get those guys playing right. They're gonna probably try and 2488 02:03:33,640 --> 02:03:37,720 Speaker 1: upgrade them talent wise. Athletically. They were roundly criticized last 2489 02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:40,200 Speaker 1: year for not being athletic enough. Not that they weren't 2490 02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:42,760 Speaker 1: big enough, but they weren't athletic enough. They didn't move 2491 02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:45,680 Speaker 1: well enough up front. Those guys are hard to find, 2492 02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:48,240 Speaker 1: obviously or other every team would have ten of them. 2493 02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:50,880 Speaker 1: So we'll see if they can do it. But we're 2494 02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:57,200 Speaker 1: with you, Jim. That's job one this offseason. Thank you, Jim, 2495 02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:59,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for calling. Let's take a call here from 2496 02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:04,160 Speaker 1: Jay in Los Angeles. Hello, Jay, Hey, guys, how are 2497 02:04:04,160 --> 02:04:07,880 Speaker 1: you doing? Man? Good? Good? Just got a time of 2498 02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:10,720 Speaker 1: regarding the chat from here. Sorry, I'm gonna I'm gonna 2499 02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:13,880 Speaker 1: right now, hopefully that deeping goes away. Okay, what was 2500 02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:17,480 Speaker 1: he saying? I can't hear him? Right? Yeah, I would 2501 02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:20,040 Speaker 1: be appalled if the Bills didn't spend at least sixty 2502 02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:23,000 Speaker 1: to seventy thousand dollars rather Cat, there's no way you 2503 02:04:23,080 --> 02:04:26,200 Speaker 1: can tell me this team has any stars out it 2504 02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:28,560 Speaker 1: that we need to worry about signing long term right now. 2505 02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:34,160 Speaker 1: Nobody's proven. Man, what about Tardavius White two years? Bro, 2506 02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:36,600 Speaker 1: I need more than that, all right, and when he 2507 02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:38,720 Speaker 1: comes up to right, but let's not worry about that 2508 02:04:38,840 --> 02:04:40,920 Speaker 1: right now. Let's win. Yeah, Okay, I get you, but 2509 02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm not listen. I'm not gonna spend twenty seven million 2510 02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:47,520 Speaker 1: dollars on Malik Jackson. I'm not spending in bad contracts 2511 02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:49,400 Speaker 1: and just go blow it out anybody. I'm saying, Well, 2512 02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:51,480 Speaker 1: that's what we're saying. That's exactly what we're saying. Then 2513 02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:53,360 Speaker 1: I don't mind who they signed. You're right now, I 2514 02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:55,040 Speaker 1: don't care if they spend every dime of it, if 2515 02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:56,440 Speaker 1: they get guys that are going to play up to 2516 02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:59,600 Speaker 1: those contracts so exactly, you know, but they do need 2517 02:04:59,680 --> 02:05:02,200 Speaker 1: to remember that. You know, they're gonna have some really 2518 02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:05,600 Speaker 1: quality guys that they've drafted and they're trying to develop 2519 02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:07,600 Speaker 1: that are going to come that you do want to keep, 2520 02:05:07,840 --> 02:05:09,440 Speaker 1: and you got to make sure you have that money 2521 02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:12,480 Speaker 1: available when they do. What was the stat did you 2522 02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:15,320 Speaker 1: come up with it? Did Jay Harris? Earlier in the 2523 02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:16,920 Speaker 1: show in the other room, we were talking about it. 2524 02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:20,960 Speaker 1: Last year, there were what four free agents who made 2525 02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:22,960 Speaker 1: it to the Pro Bowl. They're one of them starters? No, 2526 02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:25,680 Speaker 1: there were zero free agents who were signed with a 2527 02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:27,560 Speaker 1: different team from the one they had the year before 2528 02:05:27,640 --> 02:05:29,320 Speaker 1: who made it to the Pro Bowl as a starter. 2529 02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:33,120 Speaker 1: And there were only four who were named because somebody 2530 02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:36,560 Speaker 1: didn't want to play or because they got hurt. Nobody 2531 02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:38,840 Speaker 1: who signed as a free agent last year from another 2532 02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:41,240 Speaker 1: team to any team in the NFL made the Pro 2533 02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:45,360 Speaker 1: Bowl this year. That should that should tell you something. Yeah, 2534 02:05:45,480 --> 02:05:48,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't tell you stay away entirely, but it tells 2535 02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:50,360 Speaker 1: you to be smart about it and don't go into it, 2536 02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,880 Speaker 1: which I feared, Jay, that you're going into this thinking, well, 2537 02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:55,400 Speaker 1: they got eighty two million dollars, they better, as you said, 2538 02:05:55,400 --> 02:05:57,520 Speaker 1: they better spend sixty million of it. Well, I don't 2539 02:05:57,520 --> 02:06:00,520 Speaker 1: know if that's the right approach. If the free agent 2540 02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:03,840 Speaker 1: crop isn't that good, what if the free agent this 2541 02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:07,440 Speaker 1: year's free agents don't hit the spots where you need players. Look, 2542 02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:09,480 Speaker 1: that'll all be determined in the next three weeks here 2543 02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:11,600 Speaker 1: when free agency begins. But I think that's the wrong 2544 02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:13,520 Speaker 1: approach to go in and say, we got all this money, 2545 02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:16,520 Speaker 1: we got to spend it. No, no, not really, you don't. 2546 02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:19,440 Speaker 1: There are needs, you know, there are guys they would rather. 2547 02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:21,440 Speaker 1: This is what I want to say. They would rather, 2548 02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:24,640 Speaker 1: and they've said it. They would rather draft and develop 2549 02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:26,720 Speaker 1: their own and have some money to keep their own 2550 02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,440 Speaker 1: when they become free agents. So that the specter of 2551 02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:32,880 Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmore leaving after his first contract, you know, leaving 2552 02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:35,160 Speaker 1: to go to a division rival, which drives people crazy. 2553 02:06:35,480 --> 02:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Maybe if you get a good player, you draft them, 2554 02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:39,560 Speaker 1: you develop them, maybe you have enough money to keep 2555 02:06:39,640 --> 02:06:42,360 Speaker 1: him and even lower level players, you know. I think 2556 02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:44,760 Speaker 1: that's what you're trying to avoid. Draft and develop is 2557 02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:46,440 Speaker 1: what they're looking at. They're not saying we're never going 2558 02:06:46,480 --> 02:06:48,480 Speaker 1: to sign a free agent. They will. You know, last 2559 02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:51,280 Speaker 1: year they did Lotu lay Trent Murphy. Two years ago, 2560 02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:55,040 Speaker 1: they did with free agents, even before Brandon be got here. 2561 02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:56,960 Speaker 1: But I think what I guess, what I'm trying to 2562 02:06:57,080 --> 02:06:59,920 Speaker 1: impart is the belief and the quote from Brandon being 2563 02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:02,520 Speaker 1: from three or four weeks ago that our number one goal, 2564 02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:05,520 Speaker 1: our number one mission, is to draft well and develop 2565 02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:07,760 Speaker 1: these guys and make sure if they develop in the 2566 02:07:07,800 --> 02:07:10,480 Speaker 1: good players, we have the resources to keep them here. 2567 02:07:10,600 --> 02:07:12,760 Speaker 1: And that go out and just spend money because we 2568 02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:15,600 Speaker 1: have it. What do you think? I totally agree with you, 2569 02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:19,360 Speaker 1: and it's there should be a chilling effect as the 2570 02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:22,560 Speaker 1: fact that when these players come out there, somebody's gonna 2571 02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:24,720 Speaker 1: jump up. And you always say it only takes one team, 2572 02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:26,880 Speaker 1: and it only takes one team to say, Hey, Levion 2573 02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:28,880 Speaker 1: Bell is our guy. We're gonna pay him. We're gonna 2574 02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:32,360 Speaker 1: guarantee him fifty million dollars in this deal. Levion Bell is, 2575 02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, and Antonio Brown, all these guys that come 2576 02:07:36,160 --> 02:07:39,560 Speaker 1: with baggage or whatever. Antonio Brown's gonna be thirty one 2577 02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:41,520 Speaker 1: years old, You're gonna sign him to what a five 2578 02:07:41,600 --> 02:07:46,800 Speaker 1: year deal? That's crazy, that's crazy. And I get it. 2579 02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:50,360 Speaker 1: Jay the caller from California. You know he's spend the money. 2580 02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:52,440 Speaker 1: We want to win now. But you know what, you 2581 02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:55,280 Speaker 1: don't spend it just to spend it. And it sounds 2582 02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:57,280 Speaker 1: like that's what you're saying. You're saying there's no stars 2583 02:07:57,360 --> 02:07:59,680 Speaker 1: on this team that are worth signing. And I think 2584 02:07:59,720 --> 02:08:02,160 Speaker 1: you're nuts. I think you got the number two defense 2585 02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:04,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL and you can say, hey, we didn't 2586 02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:05,840 Speaker 1: have a guy with twenty three and a half sacks. 2587 02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:08,240 Speaker 1: Oh hey, that's fine. But they got a pretty good 2588 02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:10,480 Speaker 1: group of guys over there. They're playing really well together 2589 02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:12,839 Speaker 1: in a culture that they're trying to build and sustain, 2590 02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:15,480 Speaker 1: and they're doing it exactly the right way. They did that, 2591 02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:18,800 Speaker 1: and they got eighty seven million bucks to spend to 2592 02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:21,680 Speaker 1: fix the other side of the football. They are right 2593 02:08:21,720 --> 02:08:23,880 Speaker 1: where they want to be. And don't think they're gonna 2594 02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:28,240 Speaker 1: like deviate from a plan just because you know, they're 2595 02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:30,080 Speaker 1: sitting there fat and happy all of a sudden and 2596 02:08:30,200 --> 02:08:32,040 Speaker 1: they're not, and the pan there's still six and ten. 2597 02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:34,400 Speaker 1: I want to win now too, everybody does. But the 2598 02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:37,080 Speaker 1: plan they have and they've articulated this is to win 2599 02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:40,400 Speaker 1: now and to win sustained over the long term, not 2600 02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:42,280 Speaker 1: to just spend a ton of money now so that 2601 02:08:42,360 --> 02:08:43,840 Speaker 1: you can say, oh, look at that, we got up 2602 02:08:43,880 --> 02:08:46,200 Speaker 1: to nine wins now and because we signed these guys. 2603 02:08:46,280 --> 02:08:48,880 Speaker 1: But in two years we'll be in cap jail again, 2604 02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:51,040 Speaker 1: or in two years we'll have to we wanted money 2605 02:08:51,040 --> 02:08:54,120 Speaker 1: to resign our good players like Rdavious White or Josh 2606 02:08:54,200 --> 02:08:57,480 Speaker 1: Ellen four years down the road. So yeah, I think 2607 02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Bill Saints are gonna have to come to grips with 2608 02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:01,160 Speaker 1: that over the next three weeks. Absolutely, you can look 2609 02:09:01,160 --> 02:09:02,800 Speaker 1: at it all these two there's a I read an 2610 02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:05,080 Speaker 1: article this morning that people are saying, listen, are the 2611 02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:07,640 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguar is gonna be done with Marcel Darius. They're 2612 02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:10,800 Speaker 1: gonna have done Louis. I mean right, it's gonna happen again. Yeah, 2613 02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:13,920 Speaker 1: they're gonna sign a big quarterback. You signed that. Yeah. 2614 02:09:14,120 --> 02:09:16,880 Speaker 1: If they try and get Nick Foles from Philadelphia, which 2615 02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:19,680 Speaker 1: everybody's pointing like that may happen, folds it. The likely 2616 02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:23,040 Speaker 1: landing spot is Jacksonville because they've got a window here 2617 02:09:23,720 --> 02:09:26,080 Speaker 1: that they can win now with the defense. They're playing 2618 02:09:26,160 --> 02:09:28,520 Speaker 1: with Leonard Fournett at running back and they got they 2619 02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:31,120 Speaker 1: got enough offensive weapons around Nick Foles that they can 2620 02:09:31,200 --> 02:09:34,840 Speaker 1: get it done. All they needs a quarterback, that's fine, 2621 02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:38,080 Speaker 1: But in two years they're gonna be four and twelve 2622 02:09:38,520 --> 02:09:41,920 Speaker 1: if they got with their contracts, like Marcel Darius with 2623 02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:46,080 Speaker 1: Blake Bortles giving him a twenty point eight million dollar 2624 02:09:46,240 --> 02:09:48,000 Speaker 1: cap hit this year and he's not even gonna play 2625 02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:50,600 Speaker 1: for him. I mean, that's it's you can't keep going 2626 02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:53,560 Speaker 1: that way. You can't keep winning. Um. I fear we've 2627 02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:56,360 Speaker 1: gone too long Steven. We cannot do NFL through falls. 2628 02:09:57,200 --> 02:10:00,560 Speaker 1: We should have a sound effect. It was a pretty 2629 02:10:00,600 --> 02:10:03,360 Speaker 1: good one too, but we'll save it. We'll do it tomorrow. 2630 02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:06,120 Speaker 1: All right, tomorrow. One least thing we have to do 2631 02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:09,160 Speaker 1: on f jam Pack Show. Yeah, all break Here, we're 2632 02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:11,480 Speaker 1: back with more. One bill slide presented by Colada Health 2633 02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:29,040 Speaker 1: from One Bill's Driving. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Okay, 2634 02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:31,440 Speaker 1: so what have we learned? It's presented by Advanced Alarm 2635 02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:34,720 Speaker 1: providing Western New York's homes and businesses with the finest 2636 02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:37,400 Speaker 1: and security and home theater, the preferred alarm and home 2637 02:10:37,480 --> 02:10:39,160 Speaker 1: theater provider of the Buffalo Bills. We had a great 2638 02:10:39,160 --> 02:10:43,080 Speaker 1: conversation with Andrew Brant, business of Sports editor for MMQB 2639 02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:46,880 Speaker 1: dot SI dot com, formerly of ESPN. Talked with Andrew 2640 02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:49,960 Speaker 1: brand about variety of things, including Levan Bell and his 2641 02:10:50,200 --> 02:10:52,400 Speaker 1: approach to free agency now that it looks like he's 2642 02:10:52,440 --> 02:10:56,120 Speaker 1: going to hit the free agent market. Yeah. I don't 2643 02:10:56,280 --> 02:10:58,960 Speaker 1: see a team breaking the bank on Levy and Bell. 2644 02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:02,320 Speaker 1: You know, people always line up teams like the Jets 2645 02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:05,160 Speaker 1: that have big cap room, and I don't see the 2646 02:11:05,240 --> 02:11:07,400 Speaker 1: Jets doing that. I don't see any team doing that. 2647 02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:11,000 Speaker 1: The Colts. The Colts seem happy with their cheap running backs. 2648 02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:14,240 Speaker 1: A lot of teams do. And I'm not saying no 2649 02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:17,760 Speaker 1: one will sign love him Bell, but to think he's 2650 02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:20,960 Speaker 1: going to get a Todd Gurley plus contract, I don't 2651 02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:24,800 Speaker 1: see it, and I see no business sense of what 2652 02:11:24,920 --> 02:11:27,640 Speaker 1: he did last year. A lot of people feel that way. 2653 02:11:27,640 --> 02:11:29,920 Speaker 1: If you miss the Andrew Brant interview, you want to 2654 02:11:29,960 --> 02:11:31,400 Speaker 1: go back, I think and listen. It'll be up on 2655 02:11:31,960 --> 02:11:34,080 Speaker 1: Buffalo bills dot Com a little bit later in this afternoon. 2656 02:11:34,120 --> 02:11:35,880 Speaker 1: We'll see when. I'll talk more about that in a moment. 2657 02:11:36,080 --> 02:11:38,640 Speaker 1: Also on the show today, Bills linebacker Dan Lacy, one 2658 02:11:38,680 --> 02:11:41,280 Speaker 1: of their premier special teamers, who signed a one year 2659 02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:44,680 Speaker 1: contract extension today. Dean Lacy told us why he decided 2660 02:11:44,720 --> 02:11:49,280 Speaker 1: to resign with Buffalo right now, we'll feel we'll be 2661 02:11:49,400 --> 02:11:52,840 Speaker 1: way better than six and seen the guy they want 2662 02:11:52,840 --> 02:11:55,680 Speaker 1: to win. That's definite. I love about the Buffalo Bills team. 2663 02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:58,520 Speaker 1: Everybody comes to work every day to get better and 2664 02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:00,960 Speaker 1: to win. You know, we get what we wanted at 2665 02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:02,720 Speaker 1: the end of the year, but we know we have 2666 02:12:02,840 --> 02:12:04,640 Speaker 1: in a locker room and don't show on the on 2667 02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:07,880 Speaker 1: the record, but we know what we have Dean Lacy 2668 02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:10,560 Speaker 1: stay and on with the Buffalo Bills Factor. Andrew Brand, Steve, 2669 02:12:10,640 --> 02:12:13,960 Speaker 1: you started off the show you were you were distressed, 2670 02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:15,640 Speaker 1: and we gave you the first twenty minutes of the 2671 02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:18,400 Speaker 1: show to talk about the Zion Williamson and what it 2672 02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:21,760 Speaker 1: means for professional athletes, what it means for college sports. 2673 02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:23,640 Speaker 1: Are you feeling better now than you were three hours ago? 2674 02:12:23,720 --> 02:12:25,600 Speaker 1: When I'm glad? I gotta thanks for giving me the 2675 02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:28,640 Speaker 1: chance to vent Murph. I know I boguarded the first 2676 02:12:29,000 --> 02:12:30,800 Speaker 1: half hour of the show because I was I had 2677 02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:33,760 Speaker 1: to vent about it. I used to be a Division 2678 02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:36,520 Speaker 1: one athlete, and I got a lot of positive experiences 2679 02:12:36,520 --> 02:12:38,520 Speaker 1: out of being that Division one athlete. I felt I 2680 02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:40,880 Speaker 1: got a big, a good return on the investment I 2681 02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:45,280 Speaker 1: made to Northwestern University. We never had a championship team, 2682 02:12:45,320 --> 02:12:47,280 Speaker 1: we never had a we even never went to bowl 2683 02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:49,960 Speaker 1: game as a football team, but the experience is one 2684 02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,480 Speaker 1: that I really enjoyed and it really helped me in 2685 02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:56,920 Speaker 1: my later year. So, uh, I get it. It's a 2686 02:12:57,040 --> 02:13:00,640 Speaker 1: big business, but that doesn't mean as a loser in 2687 02:13:00,760 --> 02:13:02,480 Speaker 1: that whole scenario. I don't think there's a loser in 2688 02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:04,720 Speaker 1: that equation. I really don't. We'll talk more about that, 2689 02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure as the weeks go along. Hey, next week 2690 02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:08,800 Speaker 1: we're going to spend time at the NFL Scouting Combine 2691 02:13:08,840 --> 02:13:11,200 Speaker 1: and Indianapolis. Steve and I will be doing our shows 2692 02:13:11,240 --> 02:13:15,000 Speaker 1: there Wednesday through Friday, February twenty seventh, February twenty eighth, 2693 02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:18,080 Speaker 1: and March first from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indie. 2694 02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:20,080 Speaker 1: We got one more show to do here tomorrow, but 2695 02:13:20,280 --> 02:13:22,600 Speaker 1: Combine Talk will be hot and heavy. It's the capital 2696 02:13:22,600 --> 02:13:24,560 Speaker 1: of the NFL for a couple of days next week 2697 02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:27,480 Speaker 1: and we'll be right there, Steve. Yeah, my first one. 2698 02:13:27,480 --> 02:13:29,080 Speaker 1: I've ever been there, not even as a player I was. 2699 02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:31,800 Speaker 1: It's going to be we'll show me around. Yeah, thank you, Okay, 2700 02:13:31,960 --> 02:13:34,720 Speaker 1: look forward to it. Thanks to our production assistants George Blast, 2701 02:13:34,760 --> 02:13:38,520 Speaker 1: Jeff Colton and Thomas Holder, Kelly Rude, JJ Tourto, Kevin Cargis, 2702 02:13:38,600 --> 02:13:41,080 Speaker 1: James roboll Our, producer Jay Harris. One more show to 2703 02:13:41,160 --> 02:13:43,400 Speaker 1: go this week that's coming up tomorrow, twelve noon to 2704 02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:45,240 Speaker 1: three pm. Make sure you join us for One Bill 2705 02:13:45,320 --> 02:13:48,280 Speaker 1: Slide presented by Colada Health from One Bill's Drive on 2706 02:13:48,440 --> 02:13:49,640 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio