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Speaker 4: Andrew Cuomo in linked audio has an analysis of why

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Speaker 4: he lost Ron Mom Donnie, and it's kind of dead on.

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Speaker 4: Let's listen to some of this.

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Speaker 5: All the polls had me up fifteen points, and all

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Speaker 5: the geniuses say, you know, you're up fifteen points. You

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Speaker 5: want to play it safe, you want to play it safe,

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Speaker 5: and he was nowhere on the radar screen. We played

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Speaker 5: it safe. I didn't engage him, I didn't debunk him enough,

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Speaker 5: wasn't aggressive enough, which is really ironic because all my

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Speaker 5: life I'm too aggressive.

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Speaker 6: I'm too combative. I'm too tough.

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Speaker 5: There was an explosion of the under thirty vote. Under

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Speaker 5: thirty white socialists who voted three, four or five times

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Speaker 5: what anyone had ever seen, and that totally changed the

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Speaker 5: numbers young people who came out. They were socialists and

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Speaker 5: they were propalistan And I would wager that in that

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Speaker 5: primary more than fifty percent of the Jewish people would

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Speaker 5: from undone. This socialist wave in the Democratic Party, this

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Speaker 5: AOC Bernie Sanders going across the country. The No Kings

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Speaker 5: brought out, brought out hundreds of thousands of young people

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Speaker 5: at rallies all across the country, basically fueled by anti Trump.

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Speaker 5: But anti Trump then fits with socialism, that fits with

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Speaker 5: pro Palestinian and he was the perfect vehicle for this

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Speaker 5: under thirty wave of reform and a new reality.

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Speaker 4: Oh so, Cuomo quoto, it's all interesting, But Cuomo acknowledging

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Speaker 4: that more than fifty percent of Jewish voters in New

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Speaker 4: York Yes voted from Mom Donnie is so striking because

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Speaker 4: if you follow the mainstream media coverage of this election

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Speaker 4: and the result, you would think that Jewish New Yorkers

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Speaker 4: are now deeply under threat because of the election of

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Speaker 4: Mom Donnie that this is this is a scary situation

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Speaker 4: that all Democrats need to condemn Mom and make sure

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Speaker 4: that Jewish people in New York are safe from the

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Speaker 4: scourge of the Mom Donnie movement. Yet the same people

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Speaker 4: pushing that message understand that actually the reverse is true. Yes,

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Speaker 4: fifth more than more than a half of Jewish voters

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Speaker 4: voted for Mom Donnie because they support him.

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Speaker 1: They either he didn't care about the.

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Speaker 3: Ort or whatever, or they actually supported it and they

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Speaker 3: were like, yeah, I'm Jewish, but I don't really care

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Speaker 3: as much about Israel. I think the way they're conducting

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Speaker 3: themselves is ridiculous. This has been a hallmark of the

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Speaker 3: pro Palestinian movement, especially on the left now for years

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Speaker 4: Who also acknowgs to that in an interview with Hugh

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Speaker 4: Hewett Donald Trump. Yes, he was like, Hugh, you know what, like,

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Speaker 4: lots of the people on these at these campus protests

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Speaker 1: Kids, which we knew because he was like, yeah.

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Speaker 4: There's some misguided kids. It's they're not outliers like it's you. Now,

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Speaker 4: he meant it as a negative because he was angry

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Speaker 4: polling democratic, so he's angry. So he's like, oh, to

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Speaker 4: these kids, uh. But when you acknowledge that fact, it

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Speaker 4: just flips the entire thing on its head. Yes, like

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Speaker 4: how can how can all of this be anti Semitic

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Speaker 1: And yeah.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is, though, is that that audio directly

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Speaker 3: contradicts the messaging then of a Cuomo campaign, which is

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Speaker 3: all about, oh, he's an anti Semi. He's ridiculous, and

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Speaker 3: that's part of the reason. That's basically what's animating his

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Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 3: It's obvious these people are supporting Coomo specifically to make

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Speaker 3: sure that Mamdani doesn't win. So he can both admit it,

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Speaker 3: the oh he's anti Israel, and it's you know, he's

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Speaker 3: anti Israeli's an anti Semi and that's why you shouldn't

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Speaker 3: vote for him. That's part of what makes it so

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Speaker 3: ridiculous because his analysis is absolutely correct.

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Speaker 4: I don't quite understand Cuomo's assessment that mom Donnie came

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Speaker 4: from nowhere, Like the at least the last month of

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Speaker 4: the campaign, it was clear that this was a close race.

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Speaker 4: At the very least it was going to be close.

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Speaker 1: And he did a terrible job, obviously if.

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Speaker 4: He really couldn't see it coming even at the end,

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Speaker 4: it's like, what are you doing, man, this is going

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Speaker 4: on here. Incredible. So that's fairly reasonable autopsy that's actually

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Speaker 4: real from Cuomo. So and it valuable to him because

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Speaker 4: he is apparently planning to run in the general election.

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Speaker 4: Who knows there was enough money. Anything's possible, you know,

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Speaker 4: Mom Donnie can't like completely rest on the laurels of

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Speaker 4: the nomination. But thetional Democratic Party, through the DNC, is

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Speaker 4: running its own autopsy of twenty twenty four. We can

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Speaker 4: put up this New York Times Ellen up on the screen,

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Speaker 4: and according to reporting from the paper here, the researchers

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Speaker 4: not going to look at the question of whether or

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Speaker 4: not Biden should have run for reelection, the question of

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Speaker 4: whether he should have dropped out much sooner, the question

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Speaker 4: of whether there should have been an open primary, the

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Speaker 4: question of whether it should have been handed to Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 4: or even the decisions that the Harris campaign made on

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Speaker 4: what to run on. Yes, they're not going to look

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Speaker 4: at that.

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Speaker 3: How can you possibly have a real like, here's what's funny.

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Speaker 3: The RNC, then after Romney's loss, was more honest in

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Speaker 3: its autopsy than the DNC, and that autopsy, either way,

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Speaker 3: was incredibly stupid. The idea behind that autopsy was we

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Speaker 3: need to endorse amnesty. They're like, oh, Romney's meanness towards

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Speaker 3: immigration is the reason that he lost, right and self support, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Self deport and all that.

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Speaker 3: That was too mean and that's why we actually need

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Speaker 3: a pro open borders candidate. And then in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 3: the other way, Donald Trump wins the election on a

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Speaker 3: on a build the wall message, just to show you

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Speaker 3: how dumb these autopsies are. But even that autopsy was

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Speaker 3: more honest at the very least because it tried to

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Speaker 3: be like, Okay, what are some of the key decisions

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Speaker 3: we think that we should address it. They were totally

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Speaker 3: wrong obviously in retrospect. But here they're not even going

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Speaker 3: to look at it. Like they say the quote the

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Speaker 3: expected to review key decisions by the Harris campaign, like

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Speaker 3: framing the election is a choice between democracy and fascism.

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Speaker 3: Refraining from hitting back after ads from Donald Trumps to

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Speaker 3: attack miss Harris on transgender rights that have royal Democrats

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Speaker 3: in the month of how can you have any serious

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Speaker 3: discussion like that means then that the real Democrat This

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Speaker 3: sounds cringe as hell to say. That means that the

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Speaker 3: real democratic autopsy is taking place on the podcast. It's

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Speaker 3: not taking based in the mainstream media. Right, they're not

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Speaker 3: asking any uncomfortable questions except Biden's age, But they're not

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Speaker 3: talking about the issues. The issues are all being hashed

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Speaker 3: out right now between Podsave America and Crystal you know

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Speaker 3: and all these other like left podcasters who are trying

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Speaker 3: to decide what the hell went wrong in the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four election.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: But that's the craziest part about this is then what

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Speaker 3: is the part What is the purpose of the DNC

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Speaker 3: at this point? Like is it not to win an election?

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Speaker 3: Apparently not it's to protect the people who are.

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Speaker 1: In power, not even in power, who were in power, Ryan, Like,

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Speaker 1: you've got to explain, like where this comes from, how

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Speaker 1: is this possible?

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Speaker 4: So what they are looking at, according to the Times

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Speaker 4: here and Jane Klebo, deputy DNC says it in the

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Speaker 4: article here, they're going to look at where they spent

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Speaker 4: their money, and particularly where the super pac, the outside

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Speaker 4: super pac spent its money. And her argument is that

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Speaker 4: what they're what they're finding is that the amount of

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Speaker 4: much and they need to invest it in kind of

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Speaker 4: on the ground organizing and other things that aren't just

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Speaker 4: broadcasting cable TV, and those super PACs already pushing back saying,

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Speaker 4: we actually didn't spend that much on TV. We spent

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Speaker 4: much more of a kind of mechanical argument, like around

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Speaker 4: tactics rather than you know, substance strategy, which you could

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Speaker 4: at what tactics work and then leave the substance to

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Speaker 4: the battle between AOC and Bernie on one hand, and

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Speaker 4: Fetterman and Jumor and whoever elsewhere, and then once that

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Speaker 4: also they're just afraid that they're going to offend all

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Speaker 4: the powerful people who stood by and allowed these dumb

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Speaker 4: Maybe you don't need an autopsy to be like, this

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Speaker 3: Okay, but put it on Putting it on paper actually

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Speaker 3: here's what went wrong.

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Speaker 1: It was a disaster.

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Speaker 3: you don't have to go You just have to lay

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Speaker 3: be like, look what went wrong here?

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Speaker 1: Why didn't they push back against this view?

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Speaker 3: Wasn't a mistake in twenty nineteen for Kamla to give

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Speaker 3: an interview and say that the FEDS should fund gender

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Speaker 3: transition surgeries.

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Speaker 3: Rob Manual's going out there saying it is, like, maybe

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Speaker 3: you disagree with them, that's fine, but it should obviously

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Speaker 3: be part of the debate. You should analyze that decision

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Speaker 3: a qualitative decision. Look at it issue by issue, and

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Speaker 3: then also look at the key decision of Biden's even

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Speaker 3: run again and say, obviously this was a disaster. Was

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Speaker 3: this ever a winnable race? That's an open question. I

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Speaker 3: actually I'm not really sure if it ever was. It

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Speaker 3: might have been lost from twenty twenty one onwards with

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Speaker 3: Biden's approval rating, but I don't know. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: tend to think that every election is ten technically winnable,

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Speaker 3: right at any point. You know, it's just all about

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Speaker 3: the It's just all about the decisions that you make.

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Speaker 4: From there, AOC is tangling again with the party's base.

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Speaker 4: Parties left. You can put up C three here. So

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Speaker 4: there was an amendment, So she writes here, and I'll

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Speaker 4: give you the background. She writes here, Marjorie Taylor Green's

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Speaker 4: But I I do think that it's genuine rather than cynical,

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Speaker 3: It's completely mistake and I got Soger, I'm the show.

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Speaker 4: I'll do the resit ching. I gotta do Sager Scott

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Speaker 4: All right, Thanks you guys later for tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: All right, turning now to Epstein story, which I will

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Speaker 1: But when you're sick, man, it's a tough thing.

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Speaker 3: All right, Let's go ahead and put this up there

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Speaker 1: Attorney General DoD Blanche.

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Speaker 3: The Department of Justice does not shy away from uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: that there is no blackmail scheme, no conspiracy, no crimes

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Speaker 3: that implicates anybody else. What they continue President Trump has

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Speaker 3: Pam BONDI I have communicated with counsel from Miss Maxwell

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Speaker 3: First and foremost is this, the Deputy Attorney General, the

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Speaker 1: That's number one. That almost never happens.

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Speaker 3: number two. According to the Deputy Attorney General in that statement,

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Speaker 3: She was prosecuted for human trafficking victims, specifically to Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 3: a lot of other powerful people have a lot of

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Speaker 3: incentive for Maxwell to say I didn't know anything about

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Speaker 3: anybody broad or powerful people. It was just me and Jeffrey.

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Speaker 3: That actually is what you would want to say right

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Speaker 3: now to get a sweetheart deal no from the deputy

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Speaker 3: attorney general from the Trump administration. If you start implicating

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Speaker 3: all kinds of quote third party individuals, then things get

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Speaker 3: a little bit complicated. And then what the government can

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Speaker 3: say is, look, we went to Gleane, we offered her

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Speaker 3: a deal, she gave it. She told us it was

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Speaker 3: only her and Jeffrey. It's not a full fledged quote

447
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Speaker 3: investigation because it doesn't follow any of the money. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't look at any of the intelligence connections. The things

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Speaker 3: that I've detailed now on this show and on other

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Speaker 3: shows now for weeks, specifically about Epstein, the sources of

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Speaker 3: his wealth, Leslie Wexner, about Aloud Barrock, Leon Black, what

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Speaker 3: was going on with this one point? What four billion

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Speaker 3: in suspicious activity reports come in in and out of

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Speaker 3: Epstein related accounts from different financial institutions. So there is

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Speaker 3: a high chance of a cover up actually in the

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Speaker 3: way that this is all being conducted, and possibly even

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Speaker 3: on the way to a pardon.

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Speaker 1: Because at this point, if you're.

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Speaker 3: Glaine and you're looking at the conduct of the Trump administration,

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Speaker 3: you know, would it really behoove you to implicate implicate

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Speaker 3: a bunch of third party individuals, or would it be

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Speaker 3: better for you at this point it to say, actually,

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Speaker 3: it was just me and Jeffrey. Everything else is just

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Speaker 3: completely you know, everything else is a quote conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 3: My father was never a Mosad asset, even though we

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Speaker 3: got a state funeral in Israel, and we can all

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Speaker 3: just move on very carefully. So that's something very important

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Speaker 3: to say. There's a second, very interesting clip here from

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Speaker 3: Tim Dillon, who has revealed now to Alex Jones that

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Speaker 3: he recently had dinner last week with Jade Vance and

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Speaker 3: Vice President of the United States, and that the Vice

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Speaker 3: President told Tim Dillon that all of the quote thousands

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Speaker 3: of hours of footage was just personal pornography for Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: Epstein's personal use, and it didn't implicate anybody powerful. Here's

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Speaker 3: what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: I'm administration, but heavily amplicated. I'm not going to name names.

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Speaker 6: And so you nailed it when you brought up net Yahoo.

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Speaker 7: So so let me if you've got time here after

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Speaker 7: we have all the time in the world. I just

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Speaker 7: want to add, when Bondi said we have ten thousand

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Speaker 7: hours of video, she said, we have ten thousand hours

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Speaker 7: of video. I had dinner last week with the Vice president.

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Speaker 7: He told me that that was commercial pornography. They do

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Speaker 7: not have videos of any powerful person in a compromising position.

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Speaker 1: That's the party line that they're going with.

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Speaker 7: If that's the case, why would Pam Bondi call it evidence.

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Speaker 7: Why would she say it's evidence. She's not an idiot,

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Speaker 7: she's the attorney general. Why would she say she has

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Speaker 7: files on her desk? If none of these implicated anybody,

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Speaker 7: it just feels like they're they're covering something for sure.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 3: According to Tim who recently had dinner with the Vice president,

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Speaker 3: the vice president told him that actually it's just commercial footage,

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Speaker 3: and there's no footage of powerful individuals. Now, that's very

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Speaker 3: interesting because that would actually presume that at the highest

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Speaker 3: levels of the White House they did review some of

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Speaker 3: the quote Epstein files. That's something that the President and

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Speaker 3: his team have denied. Remember they're saying it was just

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Speaker 3: by the FBI and the DOJ. So at some level,

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Speaker 3: at the highest levels of our political leadership, they did

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Speaker 3: review this.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, and they're saying, hey, don't worry about it. All.

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Speaker 3: The footage actually was just commercial pornography for his own

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Speaker 3: personal use.

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Speaker 1: It didn't implicate any higher level people.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't fit necessarily at all, right, with the fact that

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Speaker 3: there were hidden cameras found in the Virgin Islands and

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Speaker 3: the New York residents and at many of these other places.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps you know it's not sexual material, but what if

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Speaker 3: it's blackmail material involving business deals, for involving intelligence operations.

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Speaker 3: This is just what gets to the whole crux of

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Speaker 3: the matter. According to Tim, he told the Vice President,

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Speaker 3: if you don't release it all, you're done, and you're

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Speaker 3: going to look like you're implicated in a cover up.

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Speaker 3: So these two things just look very, very very sketchy

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Speaker 3: if you ask me. And perhaps there's some recognition there

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Speaker 3: at the highest levels of the White House that they've

519
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Speaker 3: actually are making a big mistake. But also at the

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Speaker 3: same time, there is some very sketchy behavior in terms

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Speaker 3: of the conduct of Republicans themselves, especially the congressional Republicans,

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Speaker 3: who are basically joining together to make sure there's not

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Speaker 3: a single vote on the House floor about the Epstein files.

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Speaker 3: So let's remember right now, Rocanna and Rocanna and Thomas

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Speaker 3: Massey have a joint I think it's a resolution or

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Speaker 3: an amendment that would, for if voted on, would force

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Speaker 3: the release of the Epstein files from Congress, who basically

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Speaker 3: mandate the administration release any and all information that they

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Speaker 3: currently have.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: As THEO Vaughn has pointed out, why can't we put

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Speaker 3: Rocanna and Thomas Massey bill for a vote up this week?

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Speaker 3: At Speaker for Johnson at JD Vans JD Vancer Force,

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Speaker 3: who appeared on Theo's show. Now, Speaker Johnson, when asked

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Speaker 3: about this, says that he will not allow a vote

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Speaker 3: on the House floor ahead of the forthcoming August recess,

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Speaker 3: effectively shutting down any potential vote on the Epstein files

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Speaker 3: going forward because he wants to trust the government.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 8: Here's what I would say about the Epstein files. There

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Speaker 8: is no daylight between the House, Republicans, the House, and

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Speaker 8: the President on maximum transparency. He has said that he

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Speaker 8: wants all the credible files related to Epstein to be released.

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Speaker 8: He's asked the Attorney General to request the grand jury

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Speaker 8: files of the court. All of that is in process

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Speaker 8: right now. My belief is we need the administration to

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Speaker 8: have the space to do what it is doing, and

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Speaker 8: if further congressional action is necessary or perfead, then we'll

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Speaker 8: look at that. But I don't think we're at that

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Speaker 8: point right now because we agree which president.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at that very very carefully.

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Speaker 3: So he says specifically that he will shut down any

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Speaker 3: vote on the Epstein files because he wants to quote

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Speaker 3: allow the administration the space to deal with the space

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Speaker 3: to deal with what to release the files that you

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Speaker 3: allegically support no, or to not release all the files,

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Speaker 3: or to say that only it's the credible evidence, or

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Speaker 3: you know, the stuff that is pertinent. And these are

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Speaker 3: all the terms and the definitions of things that matter

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Speaker 3: when you're not actually committed to releasing all the information

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Speaker 3: that you literally said that you would do if you

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Speaker 3: were elected president.

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Speaker 1: And that's really what gets it all down to it.

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Speaker 3: And more importantly, from this point forward, there's actually a

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Speaker 3: piece of procedural news which is totally crazy, is that

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Speaker 3: right now the House of Representatives has effectively been shut

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Speaker 3: down to make sure that there is no vote on

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Speaker 3: the Epstein files. So let me kind of explain this.

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Speaker 3: So what has happened is that they are not allowing any.

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Speaker 1: Quote rules vote.

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Speaker 3: They will not report a single rule this week for bills.

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Speaker 3: They're shutting down the entire House floor for the week

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Speaker 3: just so they don't allow a vote on the Epstein

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Speaker 3: files to allow that bill and a vote for people

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Speaker 3: to be able to come together and to vote specifically

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Speaker 3: to release the files. That is the level to which

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Speaker 3: the House Republicans have now moved to shut all this

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Speaker 3: stuff down.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: So you have here the House Republicans coming together to

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Speaker 3: protect the administration. You have the administration opening up these

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Speaker 3: talks with Glaane Maxwell.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what comes out of it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's be honest, like it looks pretty sketchy,

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Speaker 3: and it looks in particular in the direction of if

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Speaker 3: she were willing to say it didn't implicate anybody else.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of where I would if I were her.

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Speaker 3: That's how i'd want my pardon, isn't it. She's going

589
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Speaker 3: to spend twenty years in jail. Otherwise. You've got apparently

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Speaker 3: the Vice President telling Tim Dillon that they reviewed the

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Speaker 3: footage and it's just all commercial pornography, doesn't implicate anybody

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Speaker 3: brought her. But of course they're ignoring all the financial documentation,

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Speaker 3: all these other files and all these other things that

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Speaker 3: they at the time said that a journalist should be

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Speaker 3: willing to look into, remember whenever they were on the

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Speaker 3: campaign trail or whenever they held previous office. And then

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Speaker 3: you have the current pressure from the government right now

598
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Speaker 3: going after institutions that have reported here about the Trump

599
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Speaker 3: Epstein connection. Let's put this one up there finally, then

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Speaker 3: on the screen from the Wall Street Journal. The White

601
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Speaker 3: House has actually removed the Wall Street Journal from Scotland

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Speaker 3: press pool as Trump is set to travel there over

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Speaker 3: the Epstein report.

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Speaker 1: So again, it's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of complicated, and we've talked about it a little bit here.

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Speaker 3: The White House press pool is like a select small

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Speaker 3: group of journalists that travels with the president. They go

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Speaker 3: on Air Force one, and you kind of work together

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Speaker 3: and you send your reports to the rest of the press,

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Speaker 3: and you're kind of the representative of the global press,

611
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Speaker 3: not necessarily of your own paper. Well, what they've done

612
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Speaker 3: here is they've actually removed the Wall Street Journal White

613
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Speaker 3: House reporters who had nothing to do with the story

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Speaker 3: from the press pool over the Epstein story. Now, I mean,

615
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Speaker 3: they've done this type of stuff before with the Associated

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Speaker 3: Press and the whole Gulf of Mexico thing. I think

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Speaker 3: it's stupid, but it just goes to show the level

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Speaker 3: of freak out from the Trump administration right now against

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Speaker 3: the journal. I know Crystal and Emily talked about this yesterday,

620
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Speaker 3: but you've got this weird meeting between Jade Vance and

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Speaker 3: the Murder family two days before the Epstein story comes out.

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Speaker 3: Remember Trump himself said Rupert said he would take care

623
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Speaker 3: of it in his truth about the story around the

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Speaker 3: letter that was eventually released.

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Speaker 1: You've got all this Trump administration behavior.

626
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Speaker 3: Now you've got the fact that they filed for what

627
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Speaker 3: ten billion dollars of defamation in court. I can't wait

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Speaker 3: for that suit to go forward, By the way, because

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Speaker 3: you know, Trump said I can't wait to.

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Speaker 1: Get Ruper Murdock under oath.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I can't wait to get Trump under

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Speaker 3: oath about the story as well. I hope he fights

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Speaker 3: it all the way to the end. I'm absolutely certain

634
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Speaker 3: he'll win.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: Also, they should release the They should release the journal

637
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Speaker 3: for journalistic purposes at this point the bound book which

638
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Speaker 3: allegedly had the letter in it, show everybody what it is.

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Speaker 1: But look the handling on this.

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Speaker 3: It continues to be incredibly strange, weird. The conduct of

641
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: the US government right now just only points in the

642
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: single of a cover up you can deduce for reasons

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Speaker 3: for yourselves. So with all of that being said, let's

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Speaker 3: turn now to Maha and my guest, doctor Lane Norton,

645
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: to talk about sugar coke and the seed oils debate.

646
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Speaker 3: Very excited now to be joined by my friend doctor

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Speaker 3: Lane Norton. He is and I'm going to get his

648
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Speaker 3: full bio correct PhD and nutritional science co founder of

649
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Speaker 3: the Carbon Diet Coach Nutrition coaching app. A carbon by

650
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Speaker 3: the way, a product that I use and Lane, you

651
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Speaker 3: and I go way back, but for our purposes here,

652
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Speaker 3: what I wanted to have you on to the show

653
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Speaker 3: for is to break down all of this discussion that's

654
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Speaker 3: bubbling up right now to the highest levels of the

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Speaker 3: US government around seed oil so more recently and cane

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Speaker 3: sugar coke as well as let's put this up here

657
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Speaker 3: on the screen. This is the latest quote MAHA victory

658
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Speaker 3: from Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Kennedy

659
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Speaker 3: endorsing here Steak and Shake, who's saying start in August first,

660
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Speaker 3: Steak and Shake will offer Coca Cola with real cane

661
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Speaker 3: sugar in glass bottles.

662
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Speaker 1: America deserves the best.

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Speaker 3: They're branding themselves make America Healthy Again, RFK Junior's signature slogan.

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Speaker 3: They previously this fast food chain had replaced quote seed

665
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Speaker 3: oils with beef hallow fries, presenting themselves as a healthier option. Now,

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Speaker 3: since you are a PhD in nutrition science and you've

667
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Speaker 3: given hours of content, you've reviewed all of the data,

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Speaker 3: I just want you to break down at a nutritional

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Speaker 3: science level, whether this is a quote healthier option for

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Speaker 3: people to be drinking cane sugar coke as opposed to

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Speaker 3: high fructose con syrup coke, having fries that are cooked

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Speaker 3: in beef towel versus having fries that are cooked in

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Speaker 3: seed oils.

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Speaker 6: So you made a.

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Speaker 9: Good point, which is is it healthy compared to because

676
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Speaker 9: that's really what we want to know. And first off,

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Speaker 9: I want to say that I'm glad that people in

678
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Speaker 9: US government are taking an interest in health and nutrition

679
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Speaker 9: and promoting health promoting behaviors.

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, I think.

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Speaker 9: People's personal biases are really getting in the way here,

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Speaker 9: and this is something I think with RFK is going on.

683
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Speaker 9: Is known as a naturalistic fallacy, which is, if something

684
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Speaker 9: occurs in nature, it must be better for us. And

685
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 9: in some cases that's true, but in some cases we

686
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Speaker 9: have plenty of man made things that take away protein.

687
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Speaker 6: For example, which is an ultra processed.

688
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Speaker 9: Food, but has been shown to reduce levels of inflammation,

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Speaker 9: improve glucose control, improve I even think levels of liver fat,

690
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Speaker 9: and basically metabolic health. So I think we got to

691
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Speaker 9: be careful with lumping things into big categories. Now, when

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Speaker 9: it comes to replacing high fructose corn syrup sweetened beverages

693
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Speaker 9: with cane sugar, again, the only reason I can think

694
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Speaker 9: that people would think this is healthier is because cane

695
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Speaker 9: sugar is natural Biochemically, there is very little difference between

696
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Speaker 9: cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup. Cane sugar is sucrose,

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Speaker 9: and sucrose is fifty percent is a disaccharide, which is

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Speaker 9: a glucose.

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Speaker 6: Molecule linked to a fructose molecule.

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Speaker 9: So fifty to fifty high fructose corn syrup is fifty

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Speaker 9: five percent fructose and forty five percent glucose. If you're

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Speaker 9: telling me that a five percent difference and fruit dose

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Speaker 9: content is somehow going to change our nation's health, I

704
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Speaker 9: would say that you're basically putting your energy into stuff

705
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Speaker 9: that is not going to make a darn bit of difference.

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Speaker 9: And I'm looking at right now dozens of randomized control

707
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Speaker 9: trials in humans where when they substitute high fructose corn

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Speaker 9: syrup in a one to one ratio with other sugars,

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Speaker 9: there's zero outcomes that are different in terms of body weight,

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Speaker 9: body fat, liver fat, metabolic health, insulin resistance, because.

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Speaker 6: It's still sugar.

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Speaker 9: And even if you want to go down that road,

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Speaker 9: I mean, people make a big deal out of sugar,

714
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Speaker 9: but the reality is our sugar intake has actually declined

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Speaker 9: over the last twenty years, while obesity has continued to rise.

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Speaker 9: And when you look at isocoloric. So when I say isocholoric,

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Speaker 9: I mean in feeding trials when they control total calories

718
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Speaker 9: but they substitute in other forms of carbohydrate for sugar. Again,

719
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Speaker 9: you don't really see a difference in metabolic health outcomes

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Speaker 9: or body weight or body fat. And there was even

721
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Speaker 9: one randomized control trial that was very well controlled. They

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Speaker 9: provided all the food to participants and they looked at

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Speaker 9: over one hundred grams of sugar intake per day versus

724
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Speaker 9: about ten and same total calories, protein, carbohydrate, fat intake

725
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Speaker 9: was still the same, and they found that both groups

726
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Speaker 9: lost basically the exact same amount of body fat and

727
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Speaker 9: all their blood markers improved in both groups. Now, I'm

728
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Speaker 9: not saying that eating sugar or high fructose corn strup

729
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Speaker 9: is a good idea because people it is not satiating,

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Speaker 9: and people over consume it, and so you know, if

731
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Speaker 9: you're gonna eat a lot of sugar, it's not like

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Speaker 9: people drink a coke and they go, well, that was

733
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Speaker 9: forty grams of carbohydrate, so I'm.

734
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Speaker 6: Gonna skip posta tonight.

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Speaker 9: No, they just take it in on top of whatever

736
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Speaker 9: else they're eating. So I think the real damage messaging

737
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Speaker 9: here is that somehow, because you've substituted in cane sugar,

738
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Speaker 9: you haven't reduced overall calories, that this is healthier.

739
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Speaker 6: It's not.

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Speaker 9: There's no there is no evidence this is going to

741
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Speaker 9: make an actual difference for people. And I think the

742
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Speaker 9: uncomfortable truth and I default to something called Aukham's razor,

743
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Speaker 9: which basically the lay interpretation is when all things are equal,

744
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 9: the simplest answer is usually true. The average calorie intake

745
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Speaker 9: in the United States of America is three thousand, five

746
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 9: hundred and forty per day, and the average physical activity

747
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 9: is less than twenty minutes per day, and that is

748
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Speaker 9: why we.

749
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Speaker 6: Have a health crisis.

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Speaker 9: And people don't want to deal with that uncomfortable truth

751
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Speaker 9: and the responsibility and accountability that comes along with.

752
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Speaker 3: It, right, And I think that's such an important point

753
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Speaker 3: and lane every time I try to bring attention to this,

754
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Speaker 3: and to be clear, I agree with the message make

755
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Speaker 3: America healthier, grin, I think it's great. But I'm told

756
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Speaker 3: very often that cane sugar coke is better than drinking

757
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Speaker 3: diet coke, and that it's not about the calories saga,

758
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: it's a lot, It's all about the ingredients and so

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Speaker 3: I would love for you to basically get into that

760
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Speaker 3: because they are rejecting not only a message or a

761
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Speaker 3: theory of thermodynamic not the law of thermodynam it's not

762
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Speaker 3: theory about calories and calories out. They're accepting a framework

763
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Speaker 3: in which the quote chemicals, the pestified, pesticize, the ingredients

764
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Speaker 3: are themselves responsible for the health crisis that we find

765
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Speaker 3: ourselves in America, and not.

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Speaker 1: The what is it? What is it?

767
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Speaker 3: They said, it's the thirty four hundred calories per day

768
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Speaker 3: that the average American intake plus. Okay, I would love

769
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Speaker 3: for please respond to that argument. Why you know they're

770
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Speaker 3: in their framework cane sugar coke is better than diet coke.

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Speaker 9: Then they simply have not read the human randomized control trials.

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Speaker 9: I mean, here's the argument against diet soda. Well, these

773
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Speaker 9: compounds in it are carcinogenic.

774
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Speaker 6: No, no, they're not.

775
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Speaker 9: These are some of the most studied compounds in the

776
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Speaker 9: history of mankind.

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Speaker 6: Can you find rote studies.

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Speaker 9: Where they feed ten thousand times.

779
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Speaker 6: The dose of what you could ever get and they

780
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Speaker 6: see weird things happen?

781
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, try feeding ten thousand times the dose of

782
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Speaker 9: anything and see if weird things happen. Yeah, I'm not

783
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Speaker 9: surprised that weird stuff happens. And the question is, I

784
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 9: mean I did this on my videos all the time.

785
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Speaker 9: I'm like, if only we had human randomized control trials

786
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Speaker 9: where they look, oh wait, we do so if we

787
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Speaker 9: look at if they tell people to drink diet soda

788
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Speaker 9: in place of regular soda, what happens, and very consistently

789
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Speaker 9: in the research literature, people lose significant amounts.

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Speaker 6: Of body weight.

791
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Speaker 9: There was actually a very recent fifty two week randomized

792
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Speaker 9: control trial where they.

793
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Speaker 6: Had people either drink soda or diet.

794
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Speaker 9: Soda or water, I actually believe, And what they found was,

795
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Speaker 9: I think on average, people lost about six and a

796
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Speaker 9: half kilograms Okay, so like fourteen pounds in freedom units

797
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Speaker 9: just by subbing in diet soda. And they actually lost

798
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Speaker 9: a little bit more than the group that drank water.

799
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Speaker 9: It wasn't a big difference, but it was a difference.

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Speaker 9: I'm not saying if you like drinking water, you don't

801
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Speaker 9: have to drink diet So it's not what I'm saying,

802
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Speaker 9: And I'm not saying that diet soda has some sort

803
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Speaker 9: of magical fat burner in it that makes.

804
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Speaker 6: It burn to water.

805
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Speaker 9: But people who are used to drinking soda, if you

806
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Speaker 9: replace that with either water or diet soda, what that

807
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Speaker 9: says to me is that people drinking water probably were

808
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Speaker 9: seeking out a sweet taste somewhere else because they weren't

809
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Speaker 9: getting it from that, Whereas the group that was drinking

810
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Speaker 9: diet soda, they felt more satiated because they satisfied that

811
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Speaker 9: sweet taste. And then if we look in the meta analyses,

812
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Speaker 9: we basically see that diet soda there was one looking

813
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Speaker 9: at glycemic load. Because some of these people will say, well,

814
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Speaker 9: diet sodas released insulin and etc.

815
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Speaker 6: No they don't, they don't. In fact, the.

816
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Speaker 9: Conclusion of a recent meta analysis of dozens of human

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Speaker 9: randomized control trials basically you said that diet so it

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Speaker 9: basically that the same effects as water.

819
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Speaker 6: Okay, And we do see because people.

820
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Speaker 9: Lose weight, not because of anything magic, but people's HbA

821
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Speaker 9: one C goes down, which is a marker for insulin sensitivity.

822
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Speaker 9: And then like even going to the you brought up

823
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Speaker 9: the seed oyls thing too, and I do want to

824
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Speaker 9: touch on that.

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Speaker 1: Oh we're gonna get to that door.

826
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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, oh okay, okay, Well yeah.

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Speaker 9: I mean when you look at the dietsade of stuff

828
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Speaker 9: people say it's carcinogenic, it's not. Over eighty percent of

829
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Speaker 9: the research studies say that it's not carcinogenic, and the

830
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Speaker 9: ten percent that say maybe, and the other ten percent

831
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Speaker 9: that say like yes, it's always either weak epidemiology association

832
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Speaker 9: data or it's it's in animal studies giving super high doses.

833
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Speaker 9: And I'm even thinking about one epidemiology study from Spain.

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Speaker 6: It was one hundred thousand. People got a lot of

835
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Speaker 6: press about five years.

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Speaker 9: Ago, and this is where the news will report certain

837
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Speaker 9: headlines and either they don't understand science and read the

838
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Speaker 9: full paper, or they just don't care and they just

839
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Speaker 9: want to get people scared. So this study showed that

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Speaker 9: at no intake of aspartame that was the reference group,

841
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Speaker 9: compared to the reference group, the group consuming a low

842
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Speaker 9: or moderate amount of aspertain had a relative risk increase

843
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Speaker 9: of just under twenty percent for cancer. Now, when I

844
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 9: say relative risk increase, I don't mean you go from

845
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Speaker 9: a five percent absolute risk to a twenty five percent.

846
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Speaker 9: Relative risk increases means you go from five to six percent,

847
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Speaker 9: because twenty percent of five percent is one percent.

848
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Speaker 6: So I just want to I want to frame that.

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Speaker 9: Appropriately for people, because they don't understand relative risk either.

850
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Speaker 6: So a twenty percent relative risk increase, But what about

851
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Speaker 6: why didn't they bring up.

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Speaker 9: The group that was the high group, like the high

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Speaker 9: intakes of aspartame, because the risk actually went down compared

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Speaker 9: to the moderate or low group. Now, please, I want

855
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Speaker 9: anybody out there to let me know what is carcinogenic

856
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Speaker 9: at a low dose but not carcinogenic and a high dose.

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Speaker 9: Somebody please explain that to me. And so again, these

858
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Speaker 9: weak epidemiology studies, I'm sorry, I just don't buy them.

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Speaker 9: And they're not supported by any real hard human data.

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Speaker 1: This is very important. Now let's get to the seed

861
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Speaker 1: oils thing again.

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Speaker 3: I have watched this stuff run like a craze across

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Speaker 3: the Internet to the point where I have people in

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Speaker 3: my own life who are explicitly going out of their

865
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Speaker 3: way to quote avoid seed oils.

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Speaker 1: I can live with that if it's an internet phenomenon.

867
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Speaker 3: But now I'm watching the United States government, and I

868
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Speaker 3: want to be clear, it's not that I'm against making

869
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Speaker 3: people healthy using government policy or whatever to try and

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Speaker 3: encourage it. What I'm concerned about in this case is

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Speaker 3: the Secretary of Health and Human Services saying this is

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Speaker 3: a healthy meal, drinking cane sugar coke, beef tallifries and

873
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Speaker 3: a cheeseburger. Or for example, lately there is a new

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Speaker 3: effort by the government lane to get laised chips to

875
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: replace seed oils with avocado oil. And that's the thing,

876
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 3: is that it's the presumption that the seed oils and

877
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: not the caloric density of this highly palatable chip itself

878
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 3: that people are eating, is the problem. I don't want.

879
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: It's like the fat free craze of the nineteen nineties,

880
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: right where people go to the grocery store and they say, oh,

881
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: it's fat free, and that's why it's quote healthy. Well,

882
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: that created a permission structure for people to continue to

883
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: up their caloric dose. And I say this because I'm

884
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: susceptible to it until I started looking at your content

885
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: and others. I'm the person buying and reading the influencers

886
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 3: and all this other stuff while struggling with my weight

887
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: for over twenty years. Right, and so you've looked at

888
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: the data on the seed oils. Let's go and put

889
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: this up there on the screen and you look specifically

890
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: at the data replacing seed oils with canola and I'll

891
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: let you read out the.

892
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Rest of these with saturated fat.

893
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: Tell us in detail here what the data shows us

894
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,479
Speaker 3: about replacing seed oils with saturated fat.

895
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

896
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 9: So this is what's really important, is if you're talking

897
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 9: about adding something into the diet or removing something from

898
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 9: the diet, the question. One of my favorite political commentators

899
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 9: was Thomas sol and I always liked one of the

900
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 9: things he said is if somebody is making a claim,

901
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 9: your first question should be compared to what, So, okay,

902
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 9: seed oils are.

903
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 6: Bad, compared to what?

904
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 9: Because I agree, like one of the biggest sources of

905
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 9: added calories over the last few decades is added oils.

906
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 9: In that way, seed oils have contributed to the obese

907
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 9: crisis because they're calorically dense and they're in a lot

908
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 9: of ultra processed foods and people cut them out and

909
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 9: they say, well I feel better. Well, you stopped eating

910
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 9: junk food. It wasn't the seed oils you lost weight.

911
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 9: It wasn't the fact that you were not eating seed oils.

912
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 9: It was the fact that you stopped eating so many

913
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 9: damn calories.

914
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 6: Now, with the.

915
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 9: Seed oil data, specifically, if we replace in a one

916
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 9: to one ratio with saturated.

917
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 10: Fat, So at worst for seed oils you get a

918
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 10: neutral effect on metabolic health like liver fat, insulin sensitivity,

919
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 10: you get inflammation, You get a neutral effect at worst,

920
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 10: And a lot of studies show that replacing saturated fat

921
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 10: with polyunsaturated fats from seed oils like canola oil, improve inflammation,

922
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 10: reduce liver fat, they improve insulin sensitivity, they improve intothelial function.

923
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 6: And then if we look at the.

924
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 9: Long term data, Now this is cohort data, which is

925
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 9: a form of epidemiology, but the reality is you can't

926
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 9: do thirty year nutrition randomized control trials. It's just impossible

927
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 9: to do. Nobody is going to stick to a diet

928
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 9: for that long. Unfortunately, as I know as a coach,

929
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 9: people just have really poor adherents.

930
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 6: But if we look at the cohort data.

931
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 9: If we look at people who consume more seed oils

932
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 9: versus people who consume more saturated fat, what do we

933
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 9: see when it comes to mortality, heart disease, and cancer.

934
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 9: And what we see very consistently in the literature is

935
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 9: people who consume seed oils or plant oils in place

936
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 9: of saturated fat live longer. They have lower rates of

937
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 9: cardiovascar disease, and some studies show lower rates of cancer

938
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 9: and some studies don't, So I'm not sure if that's

939
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 9: a real effect, but certainly for heart disease and mortality.

940
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 9: And again, this is one of those things when the

941
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Speaker 9: anti seed oil people get in debates with me, the

942
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 9: best studies they can cite are studies that so reducing

943
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 9: saturated fat does.

944
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 6: Not improve health outcomes.

945
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 9: And I'm like, oh wait, wait, didn't we just move

946
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 9: the goalpost though, because you're saying seed walls are bad.

947
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 9: Now you're just saying, well, saturated fat isn't bad. But

948
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 9: if you're going to argue that seed dolls are bad,

949
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 9: if you are going to make that argument, then you have.

950
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 6: To argue that saturated fat is bad for you, because

951
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 6: at every metric it is either a neutral or worse

952
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 6: effect by consuming more saturated fat in place of seedlls.

953
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 6: So this idea that you're.

954
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 9: Going to put beef talo into fries and that's going

955
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 9: to make people healthier, it's absolute lunacy. It's ridiculous. And

956
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 9: I actually got invited to go on this Maha trip

957
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 9: to Congress last year and I declined it. And the

958
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 9: reason I declined it was because I knew this was

959
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 9: going to happen. What was going to happen was they

960
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 9: were going to ban some random ingredients in.

961
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: Food, artificial food. Nobody was food dye.

962
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, and nobody was going to actually want to deal

963
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 9: with the reality, which is people eat too much and

964
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 9: move too little, because that is a very very difficult

965
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 9: problem to solve because it is multifaceted. It is it

966
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 9: involves socioeconomic things, it involves the way our whole society

967
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 9: is set up, and hey, to be fair, I don't

968
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 9: know what the answer is. I don't know what the

969
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 9: answer is, but I think coddling people and lying to

970
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 9: them and telling them, well, your fries, your ultra processed

971
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 9: sources of refined sugar and fat are now fried in

972
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 9: beef tallow rather than seed alls.

973
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 6: Okay, now steak and shake is healthy. Like, get out

974
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 6: of here.

975
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 9: Like it is an absolute freaking It is a distraction

976
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 9: from the real problem. And quite frankly, you can tell

977
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 9: it makes me sick that this is getting so much

978
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 9: played because it is literally going to do absolutely nothing

979
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 9: other than make a few politicians feel good about themselves,

980
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 9: pat themselves on the back, and Steak and shake's going

981
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 9: to get some free press.

982
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: That's actually what I'm worried about is that steak and

983
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: shit people. There are a lot of good meeting people

984
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: who trusted RFK Junior or trust MA or whatever. They're

985
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: going to go and they're going to get that coke

986
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: and they're gonna be like, this is healthier, babe.

987
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.

988
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: You know, they said make America Healthy has been endorsed

989
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 3: by this Secretary for Health and Human Services. People want

990
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 3: to have all the time in the world to read

991
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 3: your work or to listen to your videos or watch interview.

992
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: They put their trust in this person. The President appointed him,

993
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: and he's using the full force right now the US

994
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: government to basically prop the stuff up.

995
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's the last.

996
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: Thing I want to kind of get into with about

997
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: what the evidence points us in the direction, because again,

998
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: and it's not just about cancer. The core claim is

999
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: that the artific I remember fruit loops RFK. I think

1000
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 3: he was on our show and he's talking about fruit loops.

1001
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 3: He's like, in Canada, they don't have food dye, right,

1002
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: And I checked the macros and actually they're basically the

1003
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: same the macros in terms of the sugar for fruit loops.

1004
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 3: So like the core you know proposition being put forward

1005
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 3: is that the problem with American fruit loops is the

1006
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 3: fact that there's food dye in it as opposed to

1007
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: all of this sugar, right, and that you're feeding this

1008
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: to your child for breakfast, and whether that is a

1009
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: healthy choice or not.

1010
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: So then it gives companies the easiest out.

1011
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 3: In the world of like, oh, sure we'll put it

1012
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: in avocado oil whatever. Yeah, maybe our marginal cost will

1013
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: go up, but then people will actually buy more of

1014
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: it because they think it's healthy as opposed to what

1015
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: you just talked about here, it's all about this calories.

1016
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: And you know, that's really the final thing I'd write

1017
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 3: for you to get into is I was talking with

1018
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: Andrew Huberman, our mutual friend, about how gop one drugs

1019
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: kind of did the proposition of calories, calories and calories

1020
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: out right. It's like, people take the GLP one drug

1021
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 3: ozembic is what I'm referring to for the lay person, and.

1022
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: They stopped, they stopped eating eating more.

1023
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 3: They not only lost weight, they got all their biomarkers

1024
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: are trending in a much better direction, especially for people

1025
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: who were obese.

1026
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: It didn't have anything to do with pesticide.

1027
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: But I know a lot of people on ozempic they

1028
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 3: eat a ton of junk food. I went to Japan,

1029
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: one of the healthiest countries in the world. Do you

1030
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: know how much deep fried food that they eat in

1031
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: seed oil? They're all skinny, they look pretty good, and

1032
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: they live a long time, and a lot doesn't seem

1033
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 3: to have anything to do with seed oil, has a

1034
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: lot to do with coloric intake.

1035
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: So that's the final thing I'd like to tee you

1036
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: up on.

1037
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, it's the I'm not saying that calories

1038
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 9: are the only thing that matter.

1039
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 6: I want to be very clear.

1040
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 9: There are some other things that matter, but in terms

1041
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 9: of the big rocks that you can pick up to

1042
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 9: put your focus into it, it's the biggest thing that

1043
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 9: matters for at least for metabolic health and using weight.

1044
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 9: I mean, you want to talk about something being toxic.

1045
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 9: Too many calories are toxic because at a certain point

1046
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 9: you exceed you only really have a few places to

1047
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 9: dispose of excess glucose and lipid, and that is in

1048
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 9: liver can store a little bit of glycogen and fat,

1049
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 9: muscle can store some glycogen and fat, but your big,

1050
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 9: biggest depot is your adipose tissue. But your adiposites, your

1051
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 9: fat cells can only reach a certain size, about one

1052
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 9: hundred microns in diameter apiece, before they become essentially non viable.

1053
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 9: Where you now you've run out of places to put

1054
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 9: it into, and now it starts backing up into the bloodstream.

1055
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 9: And that's why you have elevated blood glucose, blood lipids

1056
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 9: in people who have type two diabetes and compromise insulin sensitivity.

1057
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 6: And so what are you going to do?

1058
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 9: You've got to make space somewhere where your body can

1059
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 9: make more fat cells, but that it never does it

1060
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 9: at a rate that can catch up to the excess

1061
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 9: lipid and glucose that's in the blood stream.

1062
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 6: And so uh, if you just.

1063
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 9: Exercise, just exercise, Okay, you don't even have to lose weight.

1064
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 9: But sixteen weeks of resistance training in obese men with

1065
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 9: type two diabetes was shown to improve insulin sensity by sensitivity.

1066
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 6: By forty five percent. Wow, Okay, we saw in some

1067
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 6: of our in the lab.

1068
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 9: I was in a graduate school lab of Don Lahman

1069
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 9: at University of Illinois. He was doing a human randomized

1070
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 9: control trial in women and basically saw people's blood markers

1071
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 9: when they lost just like ten to fifteen pounds. They

1072
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 9: saw them start to resolve almost immediately. You don't need

1073
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 9: to do a ton of exercise or lose a ton

1074
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 9: of weight to begin to get metabolically healthy. It will

1075
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 9: happen relatively quickly. That is your body's natural state. And honestly,

1076
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 9: it takes pushing it past a really ridiculous point to

1077
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 9: get to where we are.

1078
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 6: But that's where we are because.

1079
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 9: You can not only in the nineteen fifties we had

1080
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 9: ultra process. We have cakes cookies, but you had to

1081
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 9: go to the bakery you had, or you had to

1082
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 9: make it yourself. Now you don't even have to wait.

1083
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 9: You can just get on door dash, have somebody pick

1084
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 9: it up from the circle k and bring it to

1085
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 9: your house. So these are the problems we're dealing with,

1086
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 9: and you mentioned it.

1087
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 6: For fifty years, fat loss research focused on metabolism. How

1088
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 6: do we speed people people's metabolism up?

1089
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 9: And people who are obese, well, they got to have

1090
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 9: slow metabolisms, or people with type two diabetes, they gotta

1091
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Speaker 9: have slow metabolisms. Not only does the research not support

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00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 9: that people with type two diabetes or people who are

1093
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 9: obese have, if anything, faster metabolisms than people who are

1094
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 9: lean when they actually put them in a metal ball

1095
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 9: chamber and measure them and oh is it if calories

1096
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 9: don't matter. Isn't it interesting When we put people in

1097
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 9: metabolic ward trials where they're basically in food jail and

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00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 9: they have to eat what the researchers.

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00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 6: Give them, they all lose weight.

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Speaker 9: Wow, somehow, you know, And then people will say, well,

1101
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 9: you know, you can eat so low that your metabolism

1102
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 9: slows down, and all this stuff. Yeah, all these concentration

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00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 9: camp photos of people who were obese because they didn't eat.

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Speaker 6: Enough, Like, come on, get out of here.

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00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 9: This is all just an excuse for people to shirk

1106
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 9: personal responsibility because calories in, calories out. The thing people

1107
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 9: don't like about it is the inherent truth that there

1108
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 9: is personal responsibility in this and the GLP one mimetics,

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00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 9: as you mentioned, for fifty years we focused on metabolism,

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00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 9: and then for the last ten years we focused on appetite.

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00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 6: And what happened.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the research data that's coming out now basically

1113
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 9: says these GLP ones are stopping obesity in its tracks

1114
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 9: and reversing it. And in fact, food companies are actually

1115
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 9: really worried because people are consuming less calories now. So

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00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 9: these GLP ones, they don't increase metabolic rate, they don't

1117
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 9: do anything so spec well, they do something special other

1118
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 9: than they are the most powerful appetite suppressants known to man.

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Speaker 9: And if we look at the difference between obese people

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Speaker 9: and lean people, it is not on the metabolism side,

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00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 9: it is on the appetite side.

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Speaker 6: People who are obese are obese prone.

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Speaker 9: They tend to get more of a reward from food,

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Speaker 9: They tend to not have the same sensitivity to satiety

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00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 9: signals as lean people, and they also tend to dissipate

1126
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 9: less energy through spontaneous movement compared to lean people. So,

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00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 9: just to explain what that is briefly, you have like

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00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 9: a certain amount of movement you do without even thinking

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00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 9: about it, like fidgeting, like what I'm doing in my

1130
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 9: hands right now. This would be considered non exercise activity, thermogenesis,

1131
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 9: postural movement. Those little bitty movements actually add up quite

1132
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 9: a bit over the course of a day. And we

1133
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 9: have seen very clear research going all the way back

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00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 9: to the early nineties, showing that people who are obese

1135
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 9: resistant phenotype essentially that if they overeat, they actually tend

1136
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 9: to just spontaneously, without realizing it or intentionally doing it,

1137
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 9: they spontaneously increase their physical activity to compensate for it,

1138
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 9: whereas people who are obese prone don't tend.

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Speaker 6: To do that.

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Speaker 1: Got it, Lane, This is so so helpful.

1141
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: Last word from you at where can people find your

1142
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 3: new podcast and all off your work so.

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00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 9: You can find me as biolane on all social media platforms.

1144
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 9: My website's biolane dot com and my new podcast is

1145
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 9: the Doctor Lane Norton Podcast.

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Speaker 6: I hope you guys will go check it out.

1147
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 9: If you want no bs, straight shooting truth, I give

1148
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 9: it to it straight without much frills.

1149
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Speaker 3: He certainly does, and that's why he is the goat

1150
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Speaker 3: of all of them. Thank you very much, sir for

1151
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 3: joining us. We appreciate you.

1152
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Speaker 7: Man.

1153
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Speaker 1: That's right, and he's ripped.

1154
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: That's really ripped, with no steroids, no drugs, all natural,

1155
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: the hard way, and he actually.

1156
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: Tells you people how to do it.

1157
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 3: It's not easy, not easy to say, it's not easy

1158
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 3: to easy to do it, but you would at least

1159
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: show us the way that it can be done.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, sir. We appreciate you. Thanks Buddy,

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: We will have a great show for everybody tomorrow with counterpoints,

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Speaker 3: and then we'll see you all then