WEBVTT - #526 Packers Unscripted: Draft debrief, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted social

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<v Speaker 1>distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer,

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<v Speaker 1>joined as always by my trusted colleague West Hodko. It's

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<v Speaker 1>coming to you from our humble abodes. We're here to

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<v Speaker 1>recap the two thousand twenty Packers draft and west The

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<v Speaker 1>three days went just exactly as we predicted, right, we

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<v Speaker 1>knew everything that was going to happen. This was this

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<v Speaker 1>was completely boring and and you know whatever, Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was exactly how you could have predicted it, and and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly it played out just as everyone expected. Here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I love about it. I mentioned I think on one

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<v Speaker 1>of our live streams that I could not have been

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<v Speaker 1>more wrong on the Packers first three picks. I talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the quarterback, the running back, and the tight end positions,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't anticipate that those would been higher positions

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<v Speaker 1>for them. I also talked about in the past death

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<v Speaker 1>taxes and defensive linemen. Well, guess what twenty eight years

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<v Speaker 1>streak ended during the draft, the Packers drafting a defensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 1>So because as we know now there it appears that

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Garvian is gonna be listed as a as a linebacker.

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<v Speaker 1>So all these things together it makes up what I

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<v Speaker 1>think is the magic and sort of the uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>process of the draft that you never can be too

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<v Speaker 1>certain what's gonna happen. There's always gonna be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of passionate reactions to it. And here the Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>Packers are with a nine player class that you can

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<v Speaker 1>listen to Matt with FLOORA and Brian goodakuins on Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>Evening that they feel pretty good about. Yeah, if if

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<v Speaker 1>you had told me during all of our preview shows

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<v Speaker 1>over the last couple of weeks, which in some ways

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you can take all those shows and

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<v Speaker 1>just throw them in the garbage because what we previewed

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<v Speaker 1>is absolutely not what happened. But that being said, if

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<v Speaker 1>you had told me that the Packers would not select

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<v Speaker 1>a wide receiver or a D defensive lineman in the

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<v Speaker 1>entirety of their draft, which turned out to be nine picks, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that was maybe the one thing we got right. We

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<v Speaker 1>both said they would take nine players, and I said

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<v Speaker 1>they'd trade up. I said they'd up. That's right, You

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<v Speaker 1>did say that, I said, I did. I said that

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<v Speaker 1>would maybe be the least likely occurrence in the first round,

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<v Speaker 1>so totally off there. But no, I I fully expected

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers to take a wide receiver. I fully expected

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<v Speaker 1>them to take a defensive lineman. That did not happen.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of it had to do with the way

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<v Speaker 1>things fell, obviously, and where the Packers had players ranked

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<v Speaker 1>on their board, but quite frankly, West, we might as

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<v Speaker 1>well start at the top because the first pick, and

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<v Speaker 1>what the Packers did their trading up from thirty to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six, giving up a fourth round pick to select

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan's Love, the quarterback from Utah State as the potential

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<v Speaker 1>air apparent to Aaron Rodgers down the road. That's really

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<v Speaker 1>the move that sort of set everything else up, because

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<v Speaker 1>then if the Packers had certain guys targeted and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to move to some different spots in the draft,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't really have the draft capital to move around

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<v Speaker 1>anymore after what they did in the first round. And

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<v Speaker 1>as I've continued to say, an inbox and otherwise Brian

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<v Speaker 1>goodicunts knew the consequences of that move of trading up

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<v Speaker 1>to get a quarterback in the first round, to set

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<v Speaker 1>the stage to pass the torch somewhere down the road

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<v Speaker 1>from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan's love. He knew the consequences,

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<v Speaker 1>he knew the ramifications, he knew how it would impact

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<v Speaker 1>and limit his abilities throughout the rest of the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>But he did it anyway. And I just think that

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<v Speaker 1>speaks to how highly he thinks of Jordan's love and

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<v Speaker 1>his potential for being that next great quarterback for the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Packers whenever it is, however many years down

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<v Speaker 1>the road it is, that he eventually takes over. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I made this point to you over the weekend, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it was on our Saturday or was

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<v Speaker 1>it our Friday morning livestream. Everything kind of blurs together

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit after that, um, But I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>made this point in that easy thing for Brian Goodkins

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<v Speaker 1>to do would have been to draft the receiver at

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<v Speaker 1>thirty or draft Ross Blacklock or all these other guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I do have to point this out though,

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<v Speaker 1>because we were all about we're we're making the points here,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I'm gonna play the old budsman of

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<v Speaker 1>some of this. All the Packer fans out there that

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<v Speaker 1>were saying, why did you trade up to take Jordan's

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<v Speaker 1>love at twenty six when we could have Denzel Mims

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<v Speaker 1>at thirty. Well, Denzel Mims ended up going fifty nine overall.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not that we all are geniuses and and gms,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, waiting in the wings. But be that as

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<v Speaker 1>it made. The easy move for Brian Goodkins would have

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<v Speaker 1>been to actually just take one of those positions. He

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<v Speaker 1>stuck to the courage of his convictions, though. They trusted

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<v Speaker 1>their board, and that board showed them that Jordan's love

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<v Speaker 1>was an exceptional value for them at twenty six. Now

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<v Speaker 1>where this goes from here, I don't know, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a hot minute before we probably talked to

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers and hear what his thoughts are on this.

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<v Speaker 1>We did see the pourts out that Rogers already has

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to love. They've communicated certainly, Brian Goodacin is

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<v Speaker 1>also place that called the Rogers, So Matt Lafleur did

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Matt Lafleur as well, exactly, And for that

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<v Speaker 1>that's the way this goes. And and Rodgers knows it

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<v Speaker 1>better than anyone. The value of potentially accepting a younger

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<v Speaker 1>guy behind you that is a big prospect, much like

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers was in two thousand five. He had to go

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<v Speaker 1>the really hard way in the NFL for those first

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<v Speaker 1>three or four years, a way that really no quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>should have to do. Because Jordan's Love didn't ask to

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<v Speaker 1>get drafted by the Green Bay Packers. He just asked

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<v Speaker 1>to get drafted and in the first round. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that has an exceptional story. He's overcome so

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<v Speaker 1>much in his personal life, and he's a really good

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<v Speaker 1>football prospect. He's raw. There are areas that he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to refine in his game, and now he

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<v Speaker 1>has time to do that. Yeah, And the way I

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<v Speaker 1>view this, you know, as I said before, Brian Goodacin

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<v Speaker 1>is obviously thought very highly of him with the move

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<v Speaker 1>that he made and what he sacrificed and everything to

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<v Speaker 1>move up and get Jordan's Love of But I think

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<v Speaker 1>he he sees, he sees the the entire situation, the

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<v Speaker 1>parameters of everything, as the right situation for Jordan's Love,

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<v Speaker 1>Because Brian Goodacuns just said on multiple conference calls throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend, Jordan's Love has a lot to learn. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got a long way to go. He is not ready

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<v Speaker 1>to play in the NFL from day one, and he

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<v Speaker 1>probably won't be ready to play in the NFL at

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<v Speaker 1>day three sixty six. Either, what I mean is the

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<v Speaker 1>start of year two for him. He sees Jordan's Love

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<v Speaker 1>as a developmental guy with an incredibly high ceiling. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you have Aaron Rodgers under contract for multiple years. You

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<v Speaker 1>have Aaron Rodgers not talking about retirement like Brett Farve

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<v Speaker 1>was fifteen years ago. So Jordan's Love does not have

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<v Speaker 1>to play right away, barring an injury, of course, which

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<v Speaker 1>no one wants to happen with Rogers. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where Jordan's Love has the time to breathe,

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<v Speaker 1>to learn to grow before the torch is ultimately passed.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Brian goodacun is just trying to set up

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<v Speaker 1>the franchise is for the future. But Goodakusta on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor both made it very clear this is not starting

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<v Speaker 1>some ticking clock on Aaron Rodgers. This is not their

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<v Speaker 1>message of some kind to push him out the door

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<v Speaker 1>sooner than later. They want Aaron Rodgers to go after

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowls here with the Green Bay Packers, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>just protecting the franchise for the inevitable when Rodgers is

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<v Speaker 1>no longer at his at the peak of his powers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they need to move on that. The Packers are

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<v Speaker 1>still going to have a productive, winning quarterback at the

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<v Speaker 1>most important and difficult position in sports. That's what this

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<v Speaker 1>pick was all about. Yeah, and I'm gonna remain accountable

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<v Speaker 1>to my words and one of the things I said

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the draft processes, you know, you look at these

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<v Speaker 1>future Pro Football Hall of Fame teams are Pro Football

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame quarterbacks, very few of them have hair parents,

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<v Speaker 1>and right now, at this very moment, Tom Brady probably

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<v Speaker 1>still doesn't. I mean, in with the New England Patriots,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't even draft one, so um to have an

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<v Speaker 1>air apparent. It's interesting to set that up, to set

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<v Speaker 1>up that lineage. But the more after I heard Goody

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<v Speaker 1>Kunsen Lafloor talk about the decision afterwards, the more its

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<v Speaker 1>started to make more sense to me of why they

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<v Speaker 1>went that direction, what they thought. First off, Brian Goody

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<v Speaker 1>Quins is not going to talk about his board. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to say what they felt. The value was

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<v Speaker 1>past number twenty six, past Jordan's love. So we're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna That's gonna be something probably for a book someday

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<v Speaker 1>to understand, you know, where things were sitting at that

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<v Speaker 1>point in time, Well, it's been fifteen years and nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>gotten Ted Thompson to talk about his board two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>five either, So I think we'll all be waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>eternity for those details to be released. But go on,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't mean to interrupt, you know, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is is that there are worse ways to

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<v Speaker 1>invest a first round draft pick, because I think the

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<v Speaker 1>way everyone's thinking is that number thirty, whoever that guy was,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be a pro bowler. He's gonna be hall pro.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't work like that. This whole situation. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>taking risk, it's all weighing the cost ben fit analysis

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out if this person is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to play. And what they're seiling is sure, you

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<v Speaker 1>want every single one of those picks in the late

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<v Speaker 1>twenties to beat Kenny Clark, but it doesn't work out

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<v Speaker 1>that way. Sometimes it's guys that just don't make an impact,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have That's why it's important to trust your

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<v Speaker 1>board and trust your prospects. So what the point I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to illustrate with all this is that they put

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<v Speaker 1>an investment into a first round pick into a quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>that is going to inherently hold its value because there's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be intrigue across the entire football uh the National

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<v Speaker 1>Football League this year of and and beyond of where

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan loves development is at, and potentially other teams that

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<v Speaker 1>could be interested down the way. Brian Goodkuts. You've heard

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<v Speaker 1>me say it for the four hundredth time. He likes options.

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<v Speaker 1>This is another option now, and that's just the way

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<v Speaker 1>it goes. Yeah, Well, looking at looking further down the road,

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<v Speaker 1>at the rest of the Packers picks in this draft,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to you know, of the of the

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<v Speaker 1>Day three guys. But I think you talk about Jordan's

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<v Speaker 1>Love as the potential air apparent, you know, quarterback of

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<v Speaker 1>the future. I think a lot of the Packers picks

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<v Speaker 1>on Day three are guys who are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>competing more for backup roles, special teams roles in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of their potential impact as rookies. But if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the picks on Day two, I think those are

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<v Speaker 1>the guys who have an opportunity to get on the

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<v Speaker 1>field a fair amount in their rookie seasons. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about running back A. J. Dillon from Boston College

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<v Speaker 1>the second round draft pick, and then tight end Uh

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<v Speaker 1>guavar Uh Deguarra Josiah. Sorry, I lost his first name

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute there. Josiah Deguire, the tight end from

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati was the Packers third round selection. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>you said it West and you repeated it as well,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Goodakun. I'm sorry. Matt Lafleur made it very clear

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<v Speaker 1>at the scouting combine that he wanted a third running

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<v Speaker 1>back to go with Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams. And

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<v Speaker 1>so when the receivers that the Packers liked at the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the draft, a lot of them went off

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<v Speaker 1>the board. I think early in the second round. The

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<v Speaker 1>Packers were down there at sixty two. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the draft capital to move up and get one of

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<v Speaker 1>those guys, so they took the running back late in

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<v Speaker 1>the second round. And this is a two seven pound

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<v Speaker 1>back who runs a four or five three with a

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<v Speaker 1>forty plus inch vertical jump, a ton of power, a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of speed, and a ton of athleticism. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a really, really intriguing prospect who brings a skill set

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<v Speaker 1>and physical attributes to the backfield that Aaron Jones and

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<v Speaker 1>Jamal Williams don't necessarily have This is a completely different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of guy. Yeah, I think he probably has forty

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<v Speaker 1>pounds on Aaron Jones. I mean I don't. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance to watch any of his prospect primate, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you wrote one of the but I mean, like the

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<v Speaker 1>the fit, the footage that we had on our website.

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<v Speaker 1>I've only seen a couple of highlights. But can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell Spoff and I are on like four hours of

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<v Speaker 1>sleep at this point. By the way, it was long

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<v Speaker 1>weekend everyone. Sorry, just bear with us. I took a

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<v Speaker 1>nap on Sunday. I think that was the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taking a nap in like fifteen years. Uh No,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you look at some of his his combine footage,

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a guy who doesn't skip leg day. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean just absolute treat trunks, uh in terms of his hips,

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<v Speaker 1>in in his thighs, everything. This guy is built to last.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was his message, Mike. When he was talking,

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<v Speaker 1>he answered all the questions. He was very polished. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it was very professional. It was he was interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to, very engaging. But he did make it a

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<v Speaker 1>point in the middle of the news conference to actually

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<v Speaker 1>speak out to Packers fans because the question was asked

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<v Speaker 1>of him. Okay, you you ran the ball eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>plus times in three years at BC. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that takes some tread off your tires?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's an indication of your durability? He said, Hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a workhorse. I am ready to be a

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<v Speaker 1>workhorse in the that illustration that shows that I can

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<v Speaker 1>handle whatever the Green Bay Packers want to throw at me.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Joe Owns is the man. Jamal Williams is the

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<v Speaker 1>great change of pace that was set up with the

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<v Speaker 1>way that this offense has constructed last season. But we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it with the Baltimore Ravens, Mike, and we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>it with the San Francisco forty Niners. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>best teams in the National Football League. Now, Mike, they

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<v Speaker 1>are not one yard rusher that's gonna make the All

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<v Speaker 1>Pro team and have all these other accomplishments. It's awesome

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<v Speaker 1>what Christian McCaffrey's done. Carolina Panthers didn't have a whole

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<v Speaker 1>heck of a lot of success last year, though. Packers

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to make this very dynamic. They're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>spread this thing out there trying to be more versatile,

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<v Speaker 1>and A J. Dillon brings a different compliment to those

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<v Speaker 1>other two backs. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get into fantasy football discussions because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even play that game. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if Aaron Jones is gonna be able to repeat his

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<v Speaker 1>plus touchdowns, because when you have a tune and forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven pound running back, once that balls inside the five

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<v Speaker 1>yard line, I'm not so sure Aaron Jones is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get as many of those inside the five yard line

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<v Speaker 1>carries as he did a year ago. But that he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I see A J. Dillon, you know, and Matt Lafleur said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got to prove it. He's got to compete with

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<v Speaker 1>these other guys on the roster. He's got to earn

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<v Speaker 1>his playing time. But I think they envision him as

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<v Speaker 1>a young running back adding a third dimension to uh

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<v Speaker 1>to the backfield and to the ground game, and and

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<v Speaker 1>getting playing time as a rookie. And I think Josiah Deguire,

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<v Speaker 1>the tight end from Cincinnati, is is much in the

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<v Speaker 1>same boat. Now. The thing that's being thrown around here

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<v Speaker 1>about Daguia is that is the term h back, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're more of an xs and ose guy than I am.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna throw this h back thing to you

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<v Speaker 1>so you can explain to the fans, Okay, when they

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<v Speaker 1>hear h back, what is everybody talking about? What? What?

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<v Speaker 1>What does this mean? Okay, So there's two things to

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<v Speaker 1>this one. I think h back gets kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>bad reputation because in the most literal standpoint of it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a hybrid tight end that you can use

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<v Speaker 1>in the backfield as sort of a pseudo fullback, and

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<v Speaker 1>he can do some stuff off of that, you can

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<v Speaker 1>do some motioning off of that. I think would be disingenuous,

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<v Speaker 1>and I trust me, I've written part of it too.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be disingenuous to look at and say, all

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<v Speaker 1>the packers use a third round picked on an h BAC.

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<v Speaker 1>That means it's an undersized tight end that you're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to use inline like normal. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>about A. J. Daguerre and I had a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>really look into him, you know, when I wrote the

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<v Speaker 1>story on Friday night and then following up on on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a guy that was just an absolute Swiss

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<v Speaker 1>army Knife and Cincinnati. He finished as one of only

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<v Speaker 1>two tight ends in school history that finished with over

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand receiving yards. And that other one, as everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>been saying, wasn't Travis Kelsey, it was Brent Sellek, who

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<v Speaker 1>also had his own decorated career in the National Football League.

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<v Speaker 1>He and I made this point in three things as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as we were done on Saturday night, Mike, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to know how excited Matt Lafleur is about getting

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<v Speaker 1>a J. A. J. Josiah Deguara, get it right, getting

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<v Speaker 1>him in the offense. Listened to his conference call on

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night. Lafleur was great. He he was awesome for

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes. I thought he touched on a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things that need to be touched on. But when the

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<v Speaker 1>ast she was asked of him, of Daguara, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the longest answer. It was the most impassioned answer. You

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<v Speaker 1>could tell that this was something that Matt Lafleur and

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Ludikins talked about. They wanted to bring in a

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<v Speaker 1>guy between that Danny Vitality, J. Sternberger, somebody that fits

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<v Speaker 1>right in the middle of all that that they think

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<v Speaker 1>can be a playmaker and Taguara was that guy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at what the Packers did on Day two,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know everybody you know was upset that they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't draft a wide receiver, and you know there are

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<v Speaker 1>other areas that they didn't address with their picks in

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<v Speaker 1>the second and third rounds, But what they got was

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<v Speaker 1>productive college players. A. J. Dillon had over four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>yards and thirty eight touchdowns in three seasons at Boston College.

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<v Speaker 1>And Josiah Deguara, you know you mentioned his receiving yards

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<v Speaker 1>as a tight end. He caught twelve touchdown passes over

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<v Speaker 1>his last two seasons for the Bearcats. That's that that's

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate production, and that that's as a receiver, not taking

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<v Speaker 1>into account the blocking and the other potential responsibilities he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to have there. So when it comes to this

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<v Speaker 1>draft last I see the Packers picks on Day two

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<v Speaker 1>as the guys that you might see the most on

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<v Speaker 1>the field as rookies. They do have to earn it.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't really know where this offseason and the training

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<v Speaker 1>camp and everything else is going to go from here

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<v Speaker 1>and how it's going to lay out because there's so

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<v Speaker 1>much uncertainty, But those are the guys that that I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when it comes to rookie impact, Uh, those

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<v Speaker 1>day two picks are the guys. Yeah. And something else

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<v Speaker 1>that I've touched on in the past Jay Sternberger last year,

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<v Speaker 1>I preach patients with him. He was a young guy.

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<v Speaker 1>They had older veterans at that position, and it takes

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<v Speaker 1>time to learn that tight end possession in this league.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the way that Matt Laflour is gonna use

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<v Speaker 1>Josiah Deguarre and we're gonna need months in months ahead

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<v Speaker 1>to fully understand exactly what their vision is for this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that is going to really hasten this

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<v Speaker 1>whole process for him getting into the National Football League.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were asked to you know, is this gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a Danny Vitalily, This is gonna be a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that plays fifteen snaps good cons and the floor both

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<v Speaker 1>said no, I mean, this is a guy that he

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<v Speaker 1>projects is so much more than that. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>can just step back and look at what they've done

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<v Speaker 1>with the tight end position, you still have Mercedes Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>your traditional in line tight End's gonna be the big blocker,

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna be able to catch some passes for you

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<v Speaker 1>here and there, but beyond that, it's all hybrids. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Tony in a converted wide receiver. It's Jay Sternberger.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the biggest tight end of the world, but he

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<v Speaker 1>showed last year he could fit a lot of those

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<v Speaker 1>move tight end tendencies, and I think that's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that led them down this road to just Joside Deguara.

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<v Speaker 1>The last point I want to make. The receiving position

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly important. Davante Adams is one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>at it. But you've gotta understand. You gotta look into

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<v Speaker 1>the sand a little bit and see what's coming up

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<v Speaker 1>here with the tide. This isn't the four and five

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<v Speaker 1>receivers spread anymore. This thing has changed. There's more running backs,

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<v Speaker 1>there's more tight ends, there's more versatility. Adams, Lazard, Devin Funcius,

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<v Speaker 1>Marcos Velda Scantling. These guys are still gonna get a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to play, and they're still gonna be on the

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<v Speaker 1>field a heck of a lot. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you're at a position now, at least with the construct.

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<v Speaker 1>Just reading the tea leaves here that you need to

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<v Speaker 1>have six or feavers on the roster and all of

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<v Speaker 1>them need to run four fours. There's a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>that that's going into this right now than what I

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<v Speaker 1>think people are giving credit for in the social media space. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's a good note to end on

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<v Speaker 1>for today. I know I said we would get to

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<v Speaker 1>the Day three picks that we've gone on quite a

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<v Speaker 1>while here. So yeah, let's say let's save our Day

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<v Speaker 1>three discussion for our next show later this week. We

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<v Speaker 1>will pick up where we left off, but for now,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to call it a wrap on this edition

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<v Speaker 1>of Packers Unscripted. Thank you for watching, everybody. We will

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<v Speaker 1>see you next time.