1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted social 2 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: joined as always by my trusted colleague West Hodko. It's 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: coming to you from our humble abodes. We're here to 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: recap the two thousand twenty Packers draft and west The 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: three days went just exactly as we predicted, right, we 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 1: knew everything that was going to happen. This was this 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: was completely boring and and you know whatever, Yeah, it 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: was exactly how you could have predicted it, and and 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: certainly it played out just as everyone expected. Here's what 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: I love about it. I mentioned I think on one 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: of our live streams that I could not have been 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: more wrong on the Packers first three picks. I talked 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: about the quarterback, the running back, and the tight end positions, 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: and I didn't anticipate that those would been higher positions 16 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: for them. I also talked about in the past death 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: taxes and defensive linemen. Well, guess what twenty eight years 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: streak ended during the draft, the Packers drafting a defensive lineman. 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: So because as we know now there it appears that 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: Jonathan Garvian is gonna be listed as a as a linebacker. 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: So all these things together it makes up what I 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: think is the magic and sort of the uh, the 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: process of the draft that you never can be too 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: certain what's gonna happen. There's always gonna be a lot 25 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: of passionate reactions to it. And here the Green Bay 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: Packers are with a nine player class that you can 27 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: listen to Matt with FLOORA and Brian goodakuins on Saturday 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: Evening that they feel pretty good about. Yeah, if if 29 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: you had told me during all of our preview shows 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, which in some ways 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: I feel like you can take all those shows and 32 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: just throw them in the garbage because what we previewed 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: is absolutely not what happened. But that being said, if 34 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: you had told me that the Packers would not select 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: a wide receiver or a D defensive lineman in the 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: entirety of their draft, which turned out to be nine picks, Hey, 37 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: that was maybe the one thing we got right. We 38 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: both said they would take nine players, and I said 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: they'd trade up. I said they'd up. That's right, You 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: did say that, I said, I did. I said that 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: would maybe be the least likely occurrence in the first round, 42 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: so totally off there. But no, I I fully expected 43 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: the Packers to take a wide receiver. I fully expected 44 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: them to take a defensive lineman. That did not happen. 45 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: A lot of it had to do with the way 46 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: things fell, obviously, and where the Packers had players ranked 47 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: on their board, but quite frankly, West, we might as 48 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: well start at the top because the first pick, and 49 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: what the Packers did their trading up from thirty to 50 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: twenty six, giving up a fourth round pick to select 51 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: Jordan's Love, the quarterback from Utah State as the potential 52 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: air apparent to Aaron Rodgers down the road. That's really 53 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: the move that sort of set everything else up, because 54 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: then if the Packers had certain guys targeted and maybe 55 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: wanted to move to some different spots in the draft, 56 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: they didn't really have the draft capital to move around 57 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: anymore after what they did in the first round. And 58 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: as I've continued to say, an inbox and otherwise Brian 59 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: goodicunts knew the consequences of that move of trading up 60 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: to get a quarterback in the first round, to set 61 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: the stage to pass the torch somewhere down the road 62 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan's love. He knew the consequences, 63 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: he knew the ramifications, he knew how it would impact 64 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: and limit his abilities throughout the rest of the draft. 65 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: But he did it anyway. And I just think that 66 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: speaks to how highly he thinks of Jordan's love and 67 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: his potential for being that next great quarterback for the 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers whenever it is, however many years down 69 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: the road it is, that he eventually takes over. Yeah, 70 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: And I made this point to you over the weekend, Mike, 71 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: and I think it was on our Saturday or was 72 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: it our Friday morning livestream. Everything kind of blurs together 73 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: a little bit after that, um, But I mean I 74 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: made this point in that easy thing for Brian Goodkins 75 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: to do would have been to draft the receiver at 76 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: thirty or draft Ross Blacklock or all these other guys. 77 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: I do. I do have to point this out though, 78 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: because we were all about we're we're making the points here, 79 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm gonna play the old budsman of 80 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: some of this. All the Packer fans out there that 81 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: were saying, why did you trade up to take Jordan's 82 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: love at twenty six when we could have Denzel Mims 83 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: at thirty. Well, Denzel Mims ended up going fifty nine overall. 84 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: So it's not that we all are geniuses and and gms, 85 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, waiting in the wings. But be that as 86 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: it made. The easy move for Brian Goodkins would have 87 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: been to actually just take one of those positions. He 88 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: stuck to the courage of his convictions, though. They trusted 89 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: their board, and that board showed them that Jordan's love 90 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: was an exceptional value for them at twenty six. Now 91 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: where this goes from here, I don't know, and it's 92 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: gonna be a hot minute before we probably talked to 93 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and hear what his thoughts are on this. 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: We did see the pourts out that Rogers already has 95 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: reached out to love. They've communicated certainly, Brian Goodacin is 96 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: also place that called the Rogers, So Matt Lafleur did 97 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: as well. Matt Lafleur as well, exactly, And for that 98 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: that's the way this goes. And and Rodgers knows it 99 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: better than anyone. The value of potentially accepting a younger 100 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: guy behind you that is a big prospect, much like 101 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: Rogers was in two thousand five. He had to go 102 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: the really hard way in the NFL for those first 103 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: three or four years, a way that really no quarterbacks 104 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: should have to do. Because Jordan's Love didn't ask to 105 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: get drafted by the Green Bay Packers. He just asked 106 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: to get drafted and in the first round. This is 107 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: a guy that has an exceptional story. He's overcome so 108 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: much in his personal life, and he's a really good 109 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: football prospect. He's raw. There are areas that he's going 110 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: to have to refine in his game, and now he 111 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: has time to do that. Yeah, And the way I 112 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: view this, you know, as I said before, Brian Goodacin 113 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: is obviously thought very highly of him with the move 114 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: that he made and what he sacrificed and everything to 115 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: move up and get Jordan's Love of But I think 116 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: he he sees, he sees the the entire situation, the 117 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: parameters of everything, as the right situation for Jordan's Love, 118 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: Because Brian Goodacuns just said on multiple conference calls throughout 119 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: the weekend, Jordan's Love has a lot to learn. He's 120 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: got a long way to go. He is not ready 121 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: to play in the NFL from day one, and he 122 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: probably won't be ready to play in the NFL at 123 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: day three sixty six. Either, what I mean is the 124 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: start of year two for him. He sees Jordan's Love 125 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: as a developmental guy with an incredibly high ceiling. Well, 126 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: you have Aaron Rodgers under contract for multiple years. You 127 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers not talking about retirement like Brett Farve 128 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: was fifteen years ago. So Jordan's Love does not have 129 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: to play right away, barring an injury, of course, which 130 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: no one wants to happen with Rogers. So you have 131 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: a situation where Jordan's Love has the time to breathe, 132 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: to learn to grow before the torch is ultimately passed. 133 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: And so Brian goodacun is just trying to set up 134 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: the franchise is for the future. But Goodakusta on the 135 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: floor both made it very clear this is not starting 136 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: some ticking clock on Aaron Rodgers. This is not their 137 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: message of some kind to push him out the door 138 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: sooner than later. They want Aaron Rodgers to go after 139 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowls here with the Green Bay Packers, and they're 140 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: just protecting the franchise for the inevitable when Rodgers is 141 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: no longer at his at the peak of his powers, 142 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: and they need to move on that. The Packers are 143 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: still going to have a productive, winning quarterback at the 144 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: most important and difficult position in sports. That's what this 145 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: pick was all about. Yeah, and I'm gonna remain accountable 146 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: to my words and one of the things I said 147 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: throughout the draft processes, you know, you look at these 148 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: future Pro Football Hall of Fame teams are Pro Football 149 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterbacks, very few of them have hair parents, 150 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: and right now, at this very moment, Tom Brady probably 151 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: still doesn't. I mean, in with the New England Patriots, 152 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: they didn't even draft one, so um to have an 153 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: air apparent. It's interesting to set that up, to set 154 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: up that lineage. But the more after I heard Goody 155 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: Kunsen Lafloor talk about the decision afterwards, the more its 156 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: started to make more sense to me of why they 157 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: went that direction, what they thought. First off, Brian Goody 158 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: Quins is not going to talk about his board. He's 159 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: not going to say what they felt. The value was 160 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: past number twenty six, past Jordan's love. So we're not 161 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: gonna That's gonna be something probably for a book someday 162 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: to understand, you know, where things were sitting at that 163 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: point in time, Well, it's been fifteen years and nobody's 164 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: gotten Ted Thompson to talk about his board two thousand 165 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: five either, So I think we'll all be waiting to 166 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: eternity for those details to be released. But go on, 167 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to interrupt, you know, but I mean 168 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: the thing is is that there are worse ways to 169 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: invest a first round draft pick, because I think the 170 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: way everyone's thinking is that number thirty, whoever that guy was, 171 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a pro bowler. He's gonna be hall pro. 172 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: It doesn't work like that. This whole situation. It's all 173 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: taking risk, it's all weighing the cost ben fit analysis 174 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: to figure out if this person is going to be 175 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: able to play. And what they're seiling is sure, you 176 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: want every single one of those picks in the late 177 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: twenties to beat Kenny Clark, but it doesn't work out 178 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: that way. Sometimes it's guys that just don't make an impact, 179 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: so you have That's why it's important to trust your 180 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: board and trust your prospects. So what the point I'm 181 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: trying to illustrate with all this is that they put 182 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: an investment into a first round pick into a quarterback 183 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: that is going to inherently hold its value because there's 184 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: gonna be intrigue across the entire football uh the National 185 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: Football League this year of and and beyond of where 186 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: Jordan loves development is at, and potentially other teams that 187 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: could be interested down the way. Brian Goodkuts. You've heard 188 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: me say it for the four hundredth time. He likes options. 189 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: This is another option now, and that's just the way 190 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: it goes. Yeah, Well, looking at looking further down the road, 191 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: at the rest of the Packers picks in this draft, 192 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: and we'll get to you know, of the of the 193 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: Day three guys. But I think you talk about Jordan's 194 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,599 Speaker 1: Love as the potential air apparent, you know, quarterback of 195 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: the future. I think a lot of the Packers picks 196 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: on Day three are guys who are going to be 197 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: competing more for backup roles, special teams roles in terms 198 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: of their potential impact as rookies. But if you look 199 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: at the picks on Day two, I think those are 200 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: the guys who have an opportunity to get on the 201 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: field a fair amount in their rookie seasons. And we're 202 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: talking about running back A. J. Dillon from Boston College 203 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: the second round draft pick, and then tight end Uh 204 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: guavar Uh Deguarra Josiah. Sorry, I lost his first name 205 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: for a minute there. Josiah Deguire, the tight end from 206 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: Cincinnati was the Packers third round selection. And you know 207 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: you said it West and you repeated it as well, 208 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: Matt Goodakun. I'm sorry. Matt Lafleur made it very clear 209 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: at the scouting combine that he wanted a third running 210 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: back to go with Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams. And 211 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: so when the receivers that the Packers liked at the 212 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: top of the draft, a lot of them went off 213 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: the board. I think early in the second round. The 214 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: Packers were down there at sixty two. They didn't have 215 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: the draft capital to move up and get one of 216 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: those guys, so they took the running back late in 217 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: the second round. And this is a two seven pound 218 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: back who runs a four or five three with a 219 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: forty plus inch vertical jump, a ton of power, a 220 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: ton of speed, and a ton of athleticism. This is 221 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: a really, really intriguing prospect who brings a skill set 222 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: and physical attributes to the backfield that Aaron Jones and 223 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams don't necessarily have This is a completely different 224 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: kind of guy. Yeah, I think he probably has forty 225 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: pounds on Aaron Jones. I mean I don't. Did you 226 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: get a chance to watch any of his prospect primate, Well, 227 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: you wrote one of the but I mean, like the 228 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: the fit, the footage that we had on our website. 229 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: I've only seen a couple of highlights. But can you 230 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: tell Spoff and I are on like four hours of 231 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: sleep at this point. By the way, it was long 232 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: weekend everyone. Sorry, just bear with us. I took a 233 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: nap on Sunday. I think that was the first time 234 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm taking a nap in like fifteen years. Uh No, 235 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: But if you look at some of his his combine footage, 236 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: talk about a guy who doesn't skip leg day. I 237 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: mean just absolute treat trunks, uh in terms of his hips, 238 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: in in his thighs, everything. This guy is built to last. 239 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: And that was his message, Mike. When he was talking, 240 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: he answered all the questions. He was very polished. Um, 241 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: it was very professional. It was he was interesting to 242 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: listen to, very engaging. But he did make it a 243 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: point in the middle of the news conference to actually 244 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: speak out to Packers fans because the question was asked 245 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: of him. Okay, you you ran the ball eight hundred 246 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: plus times in three years at BC. You know what, 247 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: do you think that takes some tread off your tires? 248 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that's an indication of your durability? He said, Hey, listen, 249 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: I am a workhorse. I am ready to be a 250 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: workhorse in the that illustration that shows that I can 251 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: handle whatever the Green Bay Packers want to throw at me. 252 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: Aaron Joe Owns is the man. Jamal Williams is the 253 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: great change of pace that was set up with the 254 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: way that this offense has constructed last season. But we've 255 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: seen it with the Baltimore Ravens, Mike, and we've seen 256 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: it with the San Francisco forty Niners. Some of the 257 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: best teams in the National Football League. Now, Mike, they 258 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: are not one yard rusher that's gonna make the All 259 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Pro team and have all these other accomplishments. It's awesome 260 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: what Christian McCaffrey's done. Carolina Panthers didn't have a whole 261 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: heck of a lot of success last year, though. Packers 262 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: are trying to make this very dynamic. They're trying to 263 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: spread this thing out there trying to be more versatile, 264 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: and A J. Dillon brings a different compliment to those 265 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: other two backs. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. I mean, 266 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into fantasy football discussions because 267 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: I don't even play that game. But I don't know 268 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: if Aaron Jones is gonna be able to repeat his 269 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: plus touchdowns, because when you have a tune and forty 270 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: seven pound running back, once that balls inside the five 271 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: yard line, I'm not so sure Aaron Jones is gonna 272 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: get as many of those inside the five yard line 273 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: carries as he did a year ago. But that he said, 274 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: I see A J. Dillon, you know, and Matt Lafleur said, hey, 275 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: he's got to prove it. He's got to compete with 276 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: these other guys on the roster. He's got to earn 277 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: his playing time. But I think they envision him as 278 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: a young running back adding a third dimension to uh 279 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: to the backfield and to the ground game, and and 280 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: getting playing time as a rookie. And I think Josiah Deguire, 281 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: the tight end from Cincinnati, is is much in the 282 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: same boat. Now. The thing that's being thrown around here 283 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: about Daguia is that is the term h back, and 284 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: you're more of an xs and ose guy than I am. 285 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw this h back thing to you 286 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: so you can explain to the fans, Okay, when they 287 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: hear h back, what is everybody talking about? What? What? 288 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: What does this mean? Okay, So there's two things to 289 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: this one. I think h back gets kind of a 290 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: bad reputation because in the most literal standpoint of it, 291 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: it's like a hybrid tight end that you can use 292 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: in the backfield as sort of a pseudo fullback, and 293 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: he can do some stuff off of that, you can 294 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: do some motioning off of that. I think would be disingenuous, 295 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: and I trust me, I've written part of it too. 296 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: It would be disingenuous to look at and say, all 297 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: the packers use a third round picked on an h BAC. 298 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: That means it's an undersized tight end that you're not 299 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: gonna be able to use inline like normal. The thing 300 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: about A. J. Daguerre and I had a chance to 301 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: really look into him, you know, when I wrote the 302 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: story on Friday night and then following up on on Saturday. 303 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: This is a guy that was just an absolute Swiss 304 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: army Knife and Cincinnati. He finished as one of only 305 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: two tight ends in school history that finished with over 306 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: a thousand receiving yards. And that other one, as everyone's 307 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: been saying, wasn't Travis Kelsey, it was Brent Sellek, who 308 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: also had his own decorated career in the National Football League. 309 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: He and I made this point in three things as 310 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: soon as we were done on Saturday night, Mike, you 311 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: want to know how excited Matt Lafleur is about getting 312 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: a J. A. J. Josiah Deguara, get it right, getting 313 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: him in the offense. Listened to his conference call on 314 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: Saturday night. Lafleur was great. He he was awesome for 315 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. I thought he touched on a lot of 316 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: things that need to be touched on. But when the 317 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: ast she was asked of him, of Daguara, it was 318 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: the longest answer. It was the most impassioned answer. You 319 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: could tell that this was something that Matt Lafleur and 320 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: Brian Ludikins talked about. They wanted to bring in a 321 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: guy between that Danny Vitality, J. Sternberger, somebody that fits 322 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: right in the middle of all that that they think 323 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: can be a playmaker and Taguara was that guy. Yeah. 324 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: I look at what the Packers did on Day two, 325 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: and I know everybody you know was upset that they 326 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: didn't draft a wide receiver, and you know there are 327 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: other areas that they didn't address with their picks in 328 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: the second and third rounds, But what they got was 329 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: productive college players. A. J. Dillon had over four thousand 330 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: yards and thirty eight touchdowns in three seasons at Boston College. 331 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: And Josiah Deguara, you know you mentioned his receiving yards 332 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: as a tight end. He caught twelve touchdown passes over 333 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: his last two seasons for the Bearcats. That's that that's 334 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: legitimate production, and that that's as a receiver, not taking 335 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: into account the blocking and the other potential responsibilities he's 336 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: going to have there. So when it comes to this 337 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: draft last I see the Packers picks on Day two 338 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: as the guys that you might see the most on 339 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: the field as rookies. They do have to earn it. 340 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: We don't really know where this offseason and the training 341 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: camp and everything else is going to go from here 342 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: and how it's going to lay out because there's so 343 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: much uncertainty, But those are the guys that that I think, 344 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to rookie impact, Uh, those 345 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: day two picks are the guys. Yeah. And something else 346 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: that I've touched on in the past Jay Sternberger last year, 347 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: I preach patients with him. He was a young guy. 348 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: They had older veterans at that position, and it takes 349 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: time to learn that tight end possession in this league. 350 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: I think the way that Matt Laflour is gonna use 351 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: Josiah Deguarre and we're gonna need months in months ahead 352 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: to fully understand exactly what their vision is for this guy. 353 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: But I think that is going to really hasten this 354 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: whole process for him getting into the National Football League. 355 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: And they were asked to you know, is this gonna 356 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: be a Danny Vitalily, This is gonna be a guy 357 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: that plays fifteen snaps good cons and the floor both 358 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: said no, I mean, this is a guy that he 359 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: projects is so much more than that. And if you 360 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: can just step back and look at what they've done 361 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: with the tight end position, you still have Mercedes Lewis 362 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: your traditional in line tight End's gonna be the big blocker, 363 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: He's gonna be able to catch some passes for you 364 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: here and there, but beyond that, it's all hybrids. It's 365 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: Robert Tony in a converted wide receiver. It's Jay Sternberger. 366 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: Not the biggest tight end of the world, but he 367 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: showed last year he could fit a lot of those 368 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: move tight end tendencies, and I think that's one thing 369 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: that led them down this road to just Joside Deguara. 370 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: The last point I want to make. The receiving position 371 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: is incredibly important. Davante Adams is one of the best 372 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: at it. But you've gotta understand. You gotta look into 373 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: the sand a little bit and see what's coming up 374 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: here with the tide. This isn't the four and five 375 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: receivers spread anymore. This thing has changed. There's more running backs, 376 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: there's more tight ends, there's more versatility. Adams, Lazard, Devin Funcius, 377 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: Marcos Velda Scantling. These guys are still gonna get a 378 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: chance to play, and they're still gonna be on the 379 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: field a heck of a lot. But I don't think 380 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: you're at a position now, at least with the construct. 381 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: Just reading the tea leaves here that you need to 382 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: have six or feavers on the roster and all of 383 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: them need to run four fours. There's a lot more 384 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: that that's going into this right now than what I 385 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: think people are giving credit for in the social media space. Yeah, 386 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: and I think that's a good note to end on 387 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: for today. I know I said we would get to 388 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: the Day three picks that we've gone on quite a 389 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: while here. So yeah, let's say let's save our Day 390 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: three discussion for our next show later this week. We 391 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: will pick up where we left off, but for now, 392 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: we're going to call it a wrap on this edition 393 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: of Packers Unscripted. Thank you for watching, everybody. We will 394 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: see you next time.