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Speaker 1: Watt guess and O. Watt doesn't play that position but

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Speaker 1: down ahead of free agency, which is now just over

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Speaker 1: a week away. But first remembering March First, it's Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode four O one, and it starts now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com, Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to the right

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Speaker 1: throws near sight of fitz pot Penis into the end

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Speaker 1: zone for the touchdown. Here's Craig Griele and Mike directing, Well,

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Speaker 1: it was one week ago today, MJ. We were all stunned, shocked, surprise,

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Speaker 1: whatever adjective you want to attach to it to convey

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Speaker 1: that feeling the Cardinals had signed. J. J. Watt, I'm

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Speaker 1: still feeling the effects theoria, if you will. But we

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Speaker 1: and let's see, let's pull the curtains back a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think just the excitement. Now we can't say we're

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Speaker 1: But JJ Watt commending the room pros pro and anytime

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, the JJ Watts signing kind of put a

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Speaker 1: small obstacle as we were going position by position leading

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Speaker 1: Watt because I do think his signing affects what the

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Speaker 1: I think this is where a lot of the discussion

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Speaker 1: You've got J. J. Watt edge rusher, supremely talented, but

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals do have two edge rushers who are set

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Speaker 1: to become unrestricted free agents, a sign Reddick and Marcus Golden.

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Speaker 1: This debate has been talked about, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: get more into it as far as the outside linebacker

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Speaker 1: who's an exclusive rights free agent. He most likely will

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Speaker 1: to be available week one. So that's what the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: So let's discuss. You do have Debon Canard. He was

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Speaker 1: not as productive as the Cardinals were anticipating when they

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Speaker 1: there's Golden out there as well as possible options for

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. You take a look at, you know, some

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Speaker 1: you know, started off fine, a Canard set up started

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Speaker 1: two of those three, I think the Cardinals had higher expectations.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the outside linebacker position. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know how I feel a position of spending and

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Speaker 1: if Chandler Jones is making twenty million this year fifteen

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Speaker 1: can lower that contract number depending on obviously both coming

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Speaker 1: to terms. But I think Hassan Reddick clearly is going

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Speaker 1: be more, maybe a Calvin Beecham, that the Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: going to say, hey, we want you back. But also

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Speaker 1: you know the CAP's going down, so go out there

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Speaker 1: but find out what you're worth, and you know, then

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Speaker 1: we'll start talking hard numbers. But right now the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: And I think when you look at Marcus Golden, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think his energy and what he brings it at

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Speaker 1: be the option there. You can't resign everyone. Now, probably

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Speaker 1: how it plays out. Ahead of the JJ Watts signing,

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Speaker 1: we discuss here on this Monday, March eighth, what happens

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Speaker 1: tomorrow the next day, who knows, but you brought it up.

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Speaker 1: Let's just go over some of the details real fast.

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Speaker 1: Franchise and transition tag. Those windows are open and will

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Speaker 1: remain so through March ninth, though that might change. Don't

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Speaker 1: is what the window is right now. The Cardinals do

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Speaker 1: have the option one or the other, not both, as

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Speaker 1: they did a year ago. But the franchise tag pays

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Speaker 1: an average of the top five salaries at said position,

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Speaker 1: transition tag the average of the top ten salaries at

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Speaker 1: name that people keep bringing up. Franchise tag probably in

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood of fifteen million, transition tag thirteen million, it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, sir. You can do some massaging

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Speaker 1: everyone liked what Reddick was able to do last year.

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Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that we had to wait until his fourth

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Speaker 1: if that's possible, especially in light of what the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: And here's the reason why the NFL hasn't come out

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Speaker 1: This is going to be eighteen weeks, only one bye week.

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Speaker 1: So once they come up with that number, then I

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Speaker 1: But you certainly going in right now, you would have

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah and Todd McShay. There have now done a

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Speaker 1: number of different mocks, but a couple of their mocks

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Speaker 1: have had a Gregory Rousseau out of Miami or Jayalen

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Speaker 1: Phillips from Miami Peg to the Cardinals at number sixteen.

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Speaker 1: If you want to address to try to get some

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Speaker 1: help at an outside linebacker position younger, but then maybe

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Speaker 1: you bring them along and a little bit slower. I

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Speaker 1: just had a flashback. Well, we were talking about the

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Speaker 1: d lineman and you start up mentioning who the guys

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Speaker 1: were available. J J watch JJ. We threw his name

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Speaker 1: out there, and then as quickly as we threw his

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Speaker 1: name out there, we kind of quickly dismissed it as well,

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Speaker 1: just because of how much it would appear to costs

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Speaker 1: for a team to acquire a J. J. Watt. And

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Speaker 1: then I did suggest that, hey, you know, if he

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Speaker 1: wants to come on on a one year deal or whatever,

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Speaker 1: or a cheaper option by all means. But yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was that was a conversation that we'll probably all live

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Speaker 1: to regret. Well, you did say pick up the phone,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it can't hurt to ask him, and what

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Speaker 1: do you take? Yes? And Steve says similar things. You know,

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Speaker 1: when he was on ninety eight seven Newsmaker Week. Hey,

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Speaker 1: once he became available, you know, we started looking at

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Speaker 1: the film and he said, hey, it can't hurt to

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Speaker 1: pick up the phone. The reason why I say that

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Speaker 1: Shack Bear twenty eight likely get the franchise tag it

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Speaker 1: for his sake. Probably wants a long term deal. But

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Speaker 1: they gotta worry about Chris Godwin. It looks like Brady's

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Speaker 1: going to take a little bit less imagine that to

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Speaker 1: help out another chance to get another ring, but depres

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Speaker 1: coming off an injury. He's gonna have to have surgery again.

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Speaker 1: You didn't see his name. You won't see his name

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Speaker 1: because he's gonna have to have another surgery. He could

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Speaker 1: return to the Tennessee if they were in the running

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Speaker 1: for JJ Watt. According to reports, Leonard Floyd twenty eight

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Speaker 1: years old, that a really nice job was a high

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Speaker 1: draft pick in Chicago, went out there and you know

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Speaker 1: he got a chance to play with Michael Rockers and

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. That secondary he did it. He's twenty eight

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Speaker 1: years old. Matt Judaine Juden at twenty eight years old,

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Speaker 1: looks like you know, he plays Campells isn't getting younger.

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Speaker 1: They got some guys get along a tooth there. He's

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Speaker 1: at perfect age twenty eight, he's probably gonna get paid. Now.

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Speaker 1: The other guy's interesting, Melvin Ingram. You know they've changed

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Speaker 1: coaching staffs there, so you wonder is he gonna fit

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Speaker 1: there thirty one years old? So I think some of

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Speaker 1: these guys that you know, not the guys that are

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Speaker 1: twenty eight and twenty six, I think those guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna get paid. It's not like every single guy's gonna

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Speaker 1: get a one year deal, but I think when you

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Speaker 1: look at that thirty one thirty two, I think can

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Speaker 1: get a guy in a one year deal as a

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Speaker 1: situational pass rusher. Something to consider when you talk about

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Speaker 1: free agency, and the other thing to consider when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the whole Hassan Reddick conversation is, I know

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Speaker 1: the numbers are out as far as what the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: are paying JJ Watt over this two year period that

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Speaker 1: he'll be playing as of right now, it's a basically

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Speaker 1: you got to look at it as two years, twenty

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Speaker 1: eight million. If he's very productive, then he'll earn fifteen

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Speaker 1: and a half million per year that he's under contract.

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Speaker 1: But you look at it and go all right, an

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Speaker 1: average of fourteen million a year. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: want to pay JJ Watt a known commodity that amounts?

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Speaker 1: Or do I roll the dice and see if a

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Speaker 1: Son Reddick can do it again for a second season

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Speaker 1: and transition tag him for about thirteen million. That's what

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Speaker 1: you're basically weighing if you're the Cardinals as far as

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Speaker 1: whether to tag Hasan Reddick or look somewhere else, or

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Speaker 1: just say, you know what, outside linebacker, We're fine right now.

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Speaker 1: Let's divert our attention and resources somewhere else. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: go back a year ago this time. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: didn't know if the Cardinals were going to try to

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Speaker 1: sign a long term deal to Kenyan Drake. Clearly, you

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Speaker 1: know he was looking at two or three years. We

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Speaker 1: know running backs have been devalued. There were some reports

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Speaker 1: that other teams are going to throw a three year

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Speaker 1: deal at them. So when we woke up that morning,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals did tag Kenyan Drake at eight point four

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Speaker 1: million dollars, and that chewed up a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the cap. Obviously, they still had rookie and his Kylin

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Speaker 1: Morian his rookie contract. They had acquired Hopkins at that

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Speaker 1: point got rid of David Johnson's contract, so there was

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Speaker 1: some wiggle room there. Now, hypothetically they could put the

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Speaker 1: tag on Reddit. The only problem is if they put

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Speaker 1: the tag on, that tells me they're gonna tag them

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Speaker 1: to trade them. Cardinals only have five draft picks. I know,

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Speaker 1: it's not fantasy football. There was more more details. If

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Speaker 1: you tag him, that counts against your cap, so all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden that money goes against the cap. Whence

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Speaker 1: the players signed the contract. A couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: Josh Normal was tagged, they took the cap off on

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Speaker 1: he end up going to Buffalo. So you don't want

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Speaker 1: to get too cute here. They've invested in wat and

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Speaker 1: how much money can you put it outside linebacker? And

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Speaker 1: again I think Golden could be a more realistic option,

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Speaker 1: and then try to bring Chandler's tag down and then

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Speaker 1: try to fill out the depth there. Again, as you

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Speaker 1: pointed out, Guardecks probably not going to be available until

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Speaker 1: late in the year. And then you know, Kylie fits

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Speaker 1: he's a really good depth guy. He's exclusive, right, so

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Speaker 1: they'll make him a tender and Guardeck again is a

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Speaker 1: restrictive free agent. Curious to see what the Cardinals try

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Speaker 1: to bring him back at, but he won't be ready

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Speaker 1: until the second half of the season at best. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: ninety three defensive snaps for Guardak last year and he

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Speaker 1: had seven sacks, seven tackles for loss, and ten quarterback hits.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind those were his first defensive snaps of

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Speaker 1: his career. I don't see that number increasing, obviously because

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Speaker 1: he's coming up an injury. But I just think he's

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Speaker 1: one of those situational guys you don't want to push

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Speaker 1: it too much. And I know there's hey, let's see

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Speaker 1: what he can do with a full I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: Given his size at six two thirty two plus. Jeff

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Speaker 1: Rogers doesn't want to lose someone like that on special teams,

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Speaker 1: and he's so valuable on special teams to where, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's find a balance on whether we can utilize Dennis

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Speaker 1: Gardeck to get the most out of someone of his

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Speaker 1: stature and his ability. We know, if you're a backup

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, you have to play on special teams.

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Speaker 1: And to me, the fact that he's a special teams player.

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Speaker 1: You know, we saw Zeke be the punt protector last year.

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Speaker 1: I think Guarda can do that make the calls? So,

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Speaker 1: but I think what he's proved is he can play

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Speaker 1: in a pinch. You know, if your your star player

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Speaker 1: goes down for a game or a possession or a

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Speaker 1: quarter or two weeks, he can come in there and play.

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Speaker 1: You gotta surround him with better players. But he's really

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Speaker 1: cut his niche on special teams. So if you're a

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Speaker 1: backup on this team, but again, you can't count on

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Speaker 1: them because we just don't know how the ACL is

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Speaker 1: gonna heals. I know it's not going to be for

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Speaker 1: lack of effort, though, burd Gang. If you missed last

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Speaker 1: week's Big Red Rage with defensive coordinator Vance Joseph, you

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Speaker 1: more information. We continue here on Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hunday Partner of the Arizona Cardinal. Sticking with our

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Speaker 1: linebacker conversation, but let's go inside MJ and look at

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Speaker 1: what the Cardinals might do because depth here is perhaps

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Speaker 1: an issue. Moving forward, two players that you know of

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Speaker 1: under contract, Jordan Hicks and Isaiah Simmons. You've got three

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Speaker 1: players signed to future contracts, Jamal Carter, Donald Rutledge, and

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Speaker 1: Evan Weaver. The former sixth round pick a year ago,

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Speaker 1: spent all season on the practice squad. And then you've

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Speaker 1: got Ezekiel Turner, who's a restricted free agent. My guess

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Speaker 1: is that he will be back, hasn't played a lot

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Speaker 1: on defense. But Davandre Campbell and Tanner Vallejo, those two

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Speaker 1: players are unrestricted. My guess is that Campbell will look

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Speaker 1: for another opportunity elsewhere, and Valejo might be someone that

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Speaker 1: they bring back for depth and because of his ability

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Speaker 1: to play on special teams. But when you look at

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Speaker 1: the inside linebacker position, it's good to start with a

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Speaker 1: Hicks and a Simmons. So I do think Isaiah Simmons

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Speaker 1: is ready for a full sixteen game load. As far

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Speaker 1: as hey, you got your feet wet, you showed some flashes.

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Speaker 1: There were some ups and downs, but now we're going

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Speaker 1: to make you a full blown starter next to Hicks.

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Speaker 1: You know, you gotta give Jordan Hicks a lot of credit.

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Speaker 1: You came in here, and he's the kind of voice

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Speaker 1: a reason on defense. He's a signal caller, you know.

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Speaker 1: I do think he's logged a lot of snaps, and

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Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals at some point I'm gonna to

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Speaker 1: try and find someone behind him. Isaiah Simmons is different linebacker,

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Speaker 1: a week side versus a strong side linebacker or middle linebacker.

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Speaker 1: But you know, he's played all sixteen games, one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighteen tackles, eleven tackle for losses. So he's like

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Speaker 1: your signal caller out there, and he gets everyone lined

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Speaker 1: up and hopefully with Watt and the healthy Jordan Phillips

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Speaker 1: and Zach Allen, you know, he's making tackles at the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage versus four or five yards down the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. I mean, he only can do what

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Speaker 1: the guys in front of him do. So I like

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Speaker 1: the veteran presence there kind of commons good things down

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Speaker 1: for the defense. And then I'm just really bullish about

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons. I mean we saw flashes. You know, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know how strong he was in training camp, just

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Speaker 1: hitting the bags, watching him every day, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be looking forward to watching JJ Watt when he hits

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Speaker 1: those bags in training camp, just to see the difference.

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Speaker 1: But he was physical on the field and he's an

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Speaker 1: a racer. He can make a lot of different plays.

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Speaker 1: His natural position as weak side linebacker. He will cover

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Speaker 1: tight ends. That's going to be after some of his

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Speaker 1: role now if Campbell's not on the roster, but he's

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Speaker 1: going to be a three down linebacker. You know. I

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Speaker 1: always say I want him to rush the quarterback, but

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Speaker 1: there's so many different things you can do with him

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Speaker 1: if JJ Watt or Chandler's getting double teams. So I'm

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Speaker 1: really bullish on him. He needs an offseason, like a

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys do. He needs a couple of

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Speaker 1: preseason games and he'll play a lot faster. But he

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Speaker 1: gained confidence last year in a limited role, and they

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Speaker 1: increase his snap total over the second half of the season.

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Speaker 1: A problem solver is what we have heard that Isaiah

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Speaker 1: Simmons can do, and I think we did see glimpses

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Speaker 1: of that last season. You go back to the one

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Speaker 1: big play that stands out and certainly stands out for

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Speaker 1: Simmons as well, that I think was a sign of yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can play in this league, and that was the

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Speaker 1: interception of Russell Wilson in overtime on Sunday Night Football

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Speaker 1: that allowed the Cardinals to win that contest. Certainly one

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Speaker 1: of the signature moments not only of Isaiah Simmons this season,

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Speaker 1: but the Cardinals season as well. Don't forget Simmons also

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Speaker 1: play and has played well on special teams. He was

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Speaker 1: one of those first guys down the field, not afraid

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Speaker 1: to get as Ron Wilfley likes to say, stick his

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Speaker 1: nose in the fan if you will, not afraid of contact.

642
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: He finished third on the team in special teams tackles.

643
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: And you're talking about Dennis Gardack, Ezekiel Turner, guys that

644
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: made their name on special teams. And when you are

645
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: a top ten pick, sometimes maybe the ego takes a

646
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: little bit of a blow and say, you know what,

647
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: we need you here on special teams as opposed to

648
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: on defense. But I'll give Simmons credit, he took it,

649
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: ran with it and said, you know what, I'm not

650
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: big enough or I am no bigger than anyone else.

651
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: I'll do what you ask me to do. I do

652
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: think we'll see him less on special teams this coming season,

653
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: because that means we'll see him more than the thirty

654
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: four percent that we saw the total defensive snaps he

655
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: played last year. He's young, Craig, he can he can

656
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: do good. Just keep throwing him out there. Hey, the

657
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: more you can do, right, Yeah, I mean that's something.

658
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: But the reason why he's active on game day that

659
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: we weren't talking about him being inactive like some of

660
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: the other draft picks, and when you're not starting, and

661
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: he got a chance to play more when Campbell went

662
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: down and they went with that jet package. You know,

663
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: playing special teams, you get a chance to run down

664
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: the field and hit someone you know you're standing on

665
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: the sidelines. That may not happen for a few plays.

666
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: And I like what you wrote on our prep sheet

667
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: here the next Devin White. Now, the reason I the

668
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: reason I brought it up is because during and I

669
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: reference this a lot here on Cardinals Cover two on

670
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: other platforms, because I just was so impressed by what

671
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensively did throughout the postseason. And the

672
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: more you watch Devin White, the more you know people

673
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: were talking about his speed is athleticism and you're looking like, well,

674
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: is that what Isaiah Simmons potentially could be? Devin White

675
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: six feet two thirty seven, Simmons six four two thirty eight.

676
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: White ran a four four two at the combine, Simmons

677
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: a four three nine. Now you know what's between the

678
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: years and how smart are you on the football field.

679
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: That is where White certainly has an edge just because

680
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: of more experience, but based off the measurables, if you will,

681
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: there's no reason why and Isaiah Simmons can't be the

682
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 1: Cardinals Devin White. The biggest difference is who's who's playing

683
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: in front of him, Sue Jpp Barrett. I mean Vita Vea.

684
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean they're occupying that and he scraps up. And

685
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: he's got a great tutor in Levante David, who's a

686
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: free agent. I just think when you're six feet in

687
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: your two thirty seven, you can you can you have more,

688
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: a little bit more to Jilly. Isaiah is much taller,

689
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: even if he gets any ninety percent of Devin White.

690
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: Devin White and you're gonna laugh when you hear this,

691
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: but there are people out there that think, when you

692
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: start looking at a young twenty one, twenty two year old,

693
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: he may be the best inside landbacker in football. And

694
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles said, not so much as a player, And

695
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: I told it. We've talked about this before. The way

696
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: he attacks the game and as smart is like ray

697
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: Lewis getting guys lined up. Now he's benefited from Lavonte David.

698
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: Hopefully Simmons could benefit from Jordan Hicks. Well, it's good

699
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: you bring up who are you playing with? Who have

700
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: they surrounded you with? Because that certainly means you know,

701
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: are you how much are you as a team asking

702
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: of you? Because if you have to do it all,

703
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: then that makes it more difficult. But if you have

704
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: solid teammates around you, then of course that maybe you

705
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: can not freelance, but you can be a little bit

706
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: more freer in what you are allowed to do with

707
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: your athleticism. Certainly it's something to consider. Bird Gang. Again,

708
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm not predicting anything, but if you're looking for a comparison,

709
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: and I do think the Cardinals would love to see

710
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons be that guy. The only question, and you

711
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: brought it up as far as you know the instincts

712
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: a Tyrn Matthew. Maybe it doesn't have the physical tools,

713
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: but he makes up for it because he knows where

714
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: the football is going to go before the football gets there.

715
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: That is what a good defender does, regardless of where

716
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: you're playing. It's the anticipation because of your smarts, your

717
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: film study, knowing what the other team is going to

718
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: do before they know what they are going to do.

719
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: You anticipate, not guess. You're anticipating what's going to happen.

720
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: And that's why you can be there either when the

721
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: ball arrives before the ball gets there, and you force

722
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: that takeaway that I think is what we saw a

723
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: lot of out the Buccaneers defensively, especially in the postseason.

724
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: They were well prepared. Now the Cardinals have to follow

725
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: suit and be that prepared team to become that next

726
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: great defense or for Simmons, that next great inside linebacker. Yeah,

727
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: and when you look at it, I mean we haven't

728
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: even focused on on the Buccaneers secondary how good they

729
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: were as a unit, you know, after they lost that

730
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: game against the Chiefs during the regular season. So yeah,

731
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: it's just you know Isaiah, he told Ruddick last year

732
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: when he came to the silence, I can do this, Hassan,

733
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: I can do this. Well. I think he figured it

734
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: out real quick. The games a lot faster. You know,

735
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: you can play nine different positions in college. We're here.

736
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: They kind of slow played them at an inside linebacker.

737
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: But when when you're reacting and not thinking, you can

738
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: play a lot faster. And that's that's watching film. That's

739
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: what Tyrn Matthew did. You can see White watches a

740
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: ton of film. Like the guys were mentioning, they don't

741
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: want to be just good, they want to be great.

742
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: They want to leave a mark on this game. And

743
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: you hope he follows that suit because that's suit because

744
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: he is the eighth overall pick. And when we look

745
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: at this draft, you know the only two defensive players

746
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: were draft higher based on position, Chase Young and Jeff Acutis.

747
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: So you know, this is the year. I think his

748
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: second year when we talked about one, a year two.

749
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: But again, he needs an offseason. You can say that

750
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: for every guy, he's going to continue to make mistakes,

751
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: but I do think that they're depending on what this

752
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: team does. As far as you know, last year you

753
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: added to Andre Campbell before you got Simmons, so you

754
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: could you could slow play Simmons along and if there

755
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: was a mistake made I e. Week one at San Francisco,

756
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he'd be on the sidelines

757
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: and you'd see more of dev Andre Campbell. But I

758
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: think this year you would hope that even if he

759
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: does make a mistake or two, keep him out there,

760
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: let him learn from those mistakes, let him sit there

761
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and stew about it on the football field. Not that

762
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: it's going to cost you a play or two within

763
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: that set of downs or that series. But you don't

764
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: punish him if you will, for taking him out because

765
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: he made that mistake. And I do think that's what

766
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: was learned this past season, that you know, you're getting

767
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: more of that experience, and then of course with that

768
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: experience comes more confidence in your ability to maintain your

769
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: spot on the football field. And I would keep bringing

770
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: up the Bandary Campell. I don't want to gloss over him,

771
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: but because I do think he served a purpose last

772
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: year and was a great addition. He bet on himself.

773
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: He didn't get that long term deal, but a one

774
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: year contract with the Cardinals. I don't know what a

775
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: market for him is going to be like, but he

776
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: was certainly a great signing and certainly someone that I

777
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: think was very productive and a spot the Cardinals desperately needed,

778
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: and then thus allowing Simmons to come along slower and

779
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: play more later in the season. Well said, because I

780
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: just glossed over. You know, we know covering the tight

781
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: ends was a huge issue. I mean, they're in seventeen

782
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: eighteen touchdowns a few years ago, and we talked to

783
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: Vans every Thursday. He knew the question was coming. He

784
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: did a great job. I mean, again, if you're trying

785
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: to cover the number one wide receiver and the two

786
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: and they're trying to cover the runaback coming out of

787
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: the flat, there are times tight ends are going to

788
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: be open. And they weren't his wide open this previous season.

789
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: They were in the two years ago. So that helped guy.

790
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: I agree with you. You know he didn't. We didn't

791
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: hear from a lot just because we weren't in the

792
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: locker room. But he answered the questions and I thought

793
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: he brought some physicality to this defense. But Craig, I

794
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: was just thinking, though, so when you're the opposing team

795
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: preparing for the week, and then your quarterback on game

796
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: day and you're breaking the huddle. Where's Chandler Johns Okay? Wow,

797
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: there's J J. Watt Okay. And then there's Buddha Baker's

798
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: he coming down in the box, and we don't know

799
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: who the corners are, so I don't want to give

800
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: you names. And then all of a sudden, there's Isaiah's Simmons.

801
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this guy six four, he can he can

802
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: if I don't see him over the middle. And again

803
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: go back to Week one last year, give Kyle Shannon

804
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: Kreddy went right after him, but he made it. He

805
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: made stride over the course of the year, and I

806
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: do think he'll be a three down linebacker. Hopefully it

807
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: doesn't come off the field like White and some of

808
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: these guys that had the athleticism to play sideline to sideline. Yeah,

809
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: you can play him all over the field. And I

810
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: think as the season progressed, we saw that. And I

811
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: know they said, no, he's an inside linebacker, but that's

812
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: what was said. What we saw it was him at inside.

813
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: We saw him at outside. We saw him play a

814
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: little slot corner sometimes deep safety. Now wasn't a lot

815
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: of snaps, but still enough to where, hey, we have

816
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: this tool, how do we best utilize him and his

817
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: skill set to get the most out of him and

818
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: help our defense. And you bring up the tight end numbers,

819
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: let's give them to your bird game, because we always

820
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: magnified the negative and doesn't really talk about when things

821
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: get corrected. And the Cardinals certainly did correct that tight

822
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: end problem, if you will. Seventy four catches, eight hundred

823
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: and eight yards and three touchdowns three tds tied for

824
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: the fewest by a tight end. As far as looking

825
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: at the total numbers for the entire season by comparison

826
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen ninety six catches one one hundred forty eight

827
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: yards and sixteen touchdowns some of the worst numbers defensively

828
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: when trying to cover tight ends. And we talked about

829
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: it weekly. I don't think we talked about defending the

830
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: tight end, but once or twice during the course of

831
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: last season MJ and those were short conversations, very short,

832
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: and give Campbell a lot of credit. There's times that

833
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker get draws that assignment. I do think that

834
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: jet package getting your playmakers on the field kind of

835
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: able to mix it up or Vans is trying to

836
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: create pressure. We know close to forty percent they blitz

837
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: the highest in the NFL. And then on the back end,

838
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: you know clearly, you know they did more production from

839
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: the corners. And then you know when you look at

840
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: Jalen and Deontay Thompson, they just going to stay healthy.

841
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: And I like that pairing with Buddha Baker. But yeah,

842
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, Buddha Baker, we can go back and look

843
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: at where he lined up very he played a lot

844
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: more snaps, so he's going to have more opportunities. But

845
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: that's two guys where you really just can't pigeonhole into

846
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: their positions, their position less less players, Buddha Baker and

847
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons. And I don't know if you can have

848
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: too much those guys, but the fact that position flexibility

849
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: is really important if you want to create depth on

850
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: your roster. Last point, as far as inside linebackers are concerned, Yes,

851
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: there's some free agents out there. Yes there are some

852
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: guys that might be available at number sixteen that the

853
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: Cardinals might be interested in. I just don't think that's

854
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: a role need. As far as the draft is concerned,

855
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: especially at that sixteenth overall pick. But the three players

856
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: who signed futures contracts Jamal Carter, Donald Rutledge and Evan Weaver.

857
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: I'll let you talk about Weaver because I know you're

858
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: bullish on him as well. But Carter and Rutledge are

859
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: two interesting players for no other reason than this one.

860
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: Carter twenty eight career games, and he's got familiarity with

861
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: vanch Joseph. The two are together in Denver in twenty seventeen,

862
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: and Carter is making a move from safety to linebacker.

863
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: Six foot one, two hundred and fifteen pounds. Rutledge is

864
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: someone who's six one two ten signed with the Colts

865
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: as a rookie free agent a year ago and was

866
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: released amongst the final roster cuts. So two players that

867
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: certainly have the measurables, if you will, the size of

868
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: an inside linebacker for Carter, can you make that transition

869
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: from safety closer to the line of scrimmage, especially inside

870
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: the box. And then you have Weaver MJ. There's a

871
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: reason the Cardinals drafted him in the sixth round. It's

872
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: just unfortunate it didn't materialize this past season. He was released,

873
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: brought back and spent the entire season on the practice squad. Yeah,

874
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: and they had to make a decision. You probably looked

875
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: at that fifty second or fifty third guy, and I

876
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: think they didn't want to expose Eno Benjamin to the

877
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: waiver wire, so they put him on the fifty three.

878
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: He was an active all year. I just like Weaver.

879
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: You know, he's under size six two two thirty seven.

880
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: He was the PAC twelve Player of the Year at Cal.

881
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: You know, he's just waiting for the opportunity. And it

882
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: had to be hard because you know, he's kind of

883
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: been the guy his whole life and he's been you know,

884
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: been counted out. I think he could be really comes

885
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: special teams player. I think he can add some depth,

886
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: you know. But Carter's interesting, Craig when you start mentioning

887
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: him moving two fifteen a little bit lighter. But maybe

888
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: he's a guy that can, you know, do some different things.

889
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: And when we talk about teams playing a lot of

890
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: eleven personnel, that means you got to go nicol the

891
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: majority of the time, So you want to get your

892
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: playmakers on the field. Can he play in the slot,

893
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, where he can cover some of those crossing

894
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: routes in twenty eight games. And we know Vans based

895
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: on some of the Cardinals players they've signed, whether in

896
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: free agency or have the interest in. Vans has a

897
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: voice and he's not going to go to bat for

898
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: someone and put his name on the you know, on

899
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: it and say well, I'm just doing this because I

900
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: like the guy. No, he has to be able to

901
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: come in here and help the football team. And again

902
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: it's a futures contracts here allowed ninety players in the

903
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: off season, so hey flood the position because if you

904
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: lose some guys at inside or outside linebacker, you're going

905
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: to have to create some depth. And I do like

906
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: the fact that he does have NFL experience. Well you

907
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: look at a Dematopeco Jonathan Joseph, two players that were

908
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: brought in because of their relationship with Bans Joseph. And

909
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: yet it works the other way. Someone gets released and

910
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, he played with so and so or

911
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: he was coached by so and so and nothing materializes.

912
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: It works both ways. You know them and know maybe

913
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: why it wouldn't be a great fit. But for Carter,

914
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: there's a reason why he was signed to a futures

915
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: contract and is now on this roster and potentially, perhaps

916
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: maybe could find a footing with the Cardinals here in

917
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. We'll have to wait and see on

918
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924
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Speaker 1: Cardinals moves and in of course, the twenty eight unrestricted

925
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: free agents that the Cardinals have, how many of those

926
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Speaker 1: are retains and where does a Cardinal potentially move on

927
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: as far as twenty twenty one is concerned? And J

928
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: final message, final words. When we look at this linebacker

929
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: position post J. J Watt, to me, it just doesn't

930
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: seem to be as much of a necessary need to

931
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: address here in the off season because of one man,

932
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: and that would be JJ Watt. I still think, you know,

933
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: if they're able to retain one of the two, and

934
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: you know, Golden versus Reddick and again Reddick see two

935
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: years younger. He's more of a legitimate pass rusher. I

936
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: think Golden's more versatile to a standpoint that he could

937
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: stop the run. You know, different different practice players, even

938
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: though they both show up on game day. So I

939
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: think on paper, depending on what happens with Knard, I

940
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: think we have an idea what the starters could look like.

941
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: Is now, what's the depth going to look like at

942
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: that position? And again, I think they're going to try

943
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: to get some one year deals. Right now, they only

944
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: have five draft picks, so to sit here and say

945
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: they would use a draft pick on that, we'd have

946
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: to wait and see for free agency. But I do

947
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: think you're going to have to create some depth. I

948
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: like where they are with the starters. I do like

949
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: the two defensive tackles and Lucky Foe two and Richard Lawrence.

950
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: I like the development of Zach Allen, but I do

951
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: think when you look at that linebacker, you're gonna have

952
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: to provide more depth. I think they can line up

953
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: right now with four guys. Now it's a matter of

954
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: who are the next four guys, and those guys we

955
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: might not know until later in the offseason when you

956
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: talk about second, third, fourth wave, and then maybe a

957
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: time time sign as we get closer and closer to

958
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Speaker 1: training camp. On that note, we will put a lid

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Speaker 1: on this edition of Cardinals Covered two, presented by Hunday,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special things

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Speaker 1: to our executive producer, Jim A four, Mike Drecky, I'm

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Speaker 1: Greig Riel Loup. We'll talk to you next time you're

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