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Speaker 1: to me Eater Radio Live. It's eleven a m. Mountain time,

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Speaker 1: Mountain Standard time here in Montana. Who's who's phone?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, you know said you're an airplane. It's connected to

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Speaker 1: my computer and I am in airplane mode, but it's

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Speaker 1: still connects. That was Stephen Ranella.

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Speaker 3: We gotta we gotta clean this thing up here, guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm bothering. We do not have to have to. You

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Speaker 1: should tell Steve to come down even just like call me.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell him just to come down here if

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Speaker 1: he's here. Hold on one second, here, got a text

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Speaker 1: Steve come to studio.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this one's off to a real.

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Speaker 1: Record. Can't wait to get a text.

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Speaker 4: Message from Spencer says this is the worst radio Spencer.

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Speaker 5: Whenever Spencer's not hosting, you guys don't know those listeners

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Speaker 5: at home. Spencer brus himself a warm cup of coffee,

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Speaker 5: show and takes notes and judges pulls out a legal.

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Speaker 1: Path and he's just he's like, haha, watch those boys.

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Speaker 3: There may have been a text at one point that

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Speaker 3: said that was the worst radio live we've ever done.

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Speaker 1: Who was hosting that one?

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Speaker 3: I was involved?

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Speaker 1: I was involved too. I think it might have been

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Speaker 1: Corey to me and Corey is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it? Eleven am Mountain Time, Bozeman, Montana.

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Speaker 1: Yes? Do you want me to continue?

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get it back on the tracks here.

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Speaker 1: That's seven pm for our fellow Americans in Italy on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: February fifth, and we're live from me Eater World headquarters

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Speaker 1: in spring Like Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Jiannas Pteliz,

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Speaker 1: joined today by Seth Morris and Randa Williams. We've got

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today, including an interview from Cortina, Italy,

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Speaker 1: with Olympic biathlete Paul Schomer maybe Seamer I didn't ask

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Speaker 1: him and his coach Matt Emmons. We're also talking to

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Speaker 1: Colorado Wildlife Officer Demi Wright, who recently wrapped up a

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Speaker 1: big poaching case involving your mule deer. Then we'll look

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Speaker 1: at photos of ourselves from about twenty years ago, and

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Speaker 1: as always, will answer questions from the live audience. But

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Speaker 1: first let's get a few updates from the worlds of

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Speaker 1: Seth Randall and yours truly on this fourth to the

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Speaker 1: last episode of Meat Eater Radio Live. Oh but don't fret.

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Speaker 1: Make Eater Radio Live is going to be replaced by

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Speaker 1: the Meet Eater News with Cruise Show. Now that's a

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Speaker 1: working title. Let's just I think.

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Speaker 5: Wait, Steve wants the title to be the news show

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Speaker 5: Meat Eater Colon the news show.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't sound great either, but you know he's the

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Speaker 1: updates from the crew. Spencer came up with a good

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Speaker 1: thing that I like. It's like our news, your news

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Speaker 1: and the news, and what you can expect from that

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Speaker 1: would be like cruise stories, updates from us and then

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Speaker 1: kind of how we do stories, questions, corrections from you guys,

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Speaker 1: and then the news being like what really matters right

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Speaker 1: now in conservation news. So that'll be starting, I believe

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Speaker 1: March ninth, and it's gonna be a great show. What

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Speaker 1: else butcher and bamby hoodies. Can you see it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: This is what I was pasterning Steve about because this

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Speaker 1: is his idea. In my opinion, It is one of

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Speaker 1: the best T shirt hoodie designs we've ever come up with.

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Speaker 1: I do like it because it takes a anti hunting idea,

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Speaker 3: Boys, It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It's a very subversive concept. What's all

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Speaker 1: it has always there? Yeah? Yeah, it's just like your

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Speaker 1: Who those are going to sell like hotcakes?

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Speaker 1: A giant. I'm so sorry. Anyways, the hoodies just pop

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Speaker 1: looks like what you've got going on in your life

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Speaker 3: my household is uh. When I left this morning, it

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a big day in our household. We

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, see we had like Mingus is really my

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I just life is a degenerative process

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Speaker 1: So yes, yes, yes, uh ant let's talk about life, Seth.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're talking about this all the time these days.

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Speaker 5: Our first was two weeks there, so closer than man.

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Speaker 4: Everyone we talked to is like we had ours in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're one time in a peer one imports

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Speaker 1: like nice, it's perfect.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it was a date night. No. No,

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, when I'm skiing into the range, there's a

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Speaker 1: This is Bathlon Wait. Our first guest today joining us

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Speaker 1: Good there that The first time I watched that video,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, uh, for those that don't know, can

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Speaker 8: Prone and standing. So if you have a two shooting race,

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Speaker 8: it's one prone, one standing. A four shooting race it's

437
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Speaker 8: two prone, two standing. And for every mistarget you have

438
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Speaker 8: a penalty, either by having the ski of penalty loop

439
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Speaker 8: or a time penalty. And so it's all about skiing fast,

440
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Speaker 8: being efficient on the range and any targets.

441
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Speaker 1: Okay, obviously heart rate must play just like a huge,

442
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Speaker 1: huge it's gotta be a huge factor in like being

443
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Speaker 1: able to execute what you're doing. So tell me before

444
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Speaker 1: we get in, like how you do it, but like

445
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Speaker 1: what's your like resting heart rate. Then you're like racing

446
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Speaker 1: when you're on skis, and then the heart rate that

447
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Speaker 1: you're trying to actually when you're shooting, what you're trying

448
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Speaker 1: to get your heart rate too.

449
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Speaker 8: Yeah, so I mean resting heart rate. I would say

450
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Speaker 8: most nights I'm in the low thirties. So I'd say, like,

451
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Speaker 8: if I'm in like a good spot and I'm looking up,

452
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Speaker 8: I'll have my heart rate. I have an OR ring,

453
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Speaker 8: but the OI ring only tracks to thirty three, and

454
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Speaker 8: so there'll be sometimes or I'll be under that and

455
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Speaker 8: there'll be like gaps in it. And then heart rate

456
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Speaker 8: variability is another one that you look at for recovery

457
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Speaker 8: on the range.

458
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Speaker 2: I have a pretty low heart rate.

459
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Speaker 8: In this grand scheme of things when it comes like

460
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Speaker 8: max alright, so my max herrate is probably going to

461
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Speaker 8: be like one seventy five throughout the season, whereas like

462
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Speaker 8: some competitors they'll be up over two hundred.

463
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Speaker 1: Okay, And then so that's your max. When you're skiing

464
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Speaker 1: and you're going full bore. What's the heart rate that

465
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Speaker 1: you're trying to be at when you're trying to make

466
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Speaker 1: these shots?

467
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Speaker 2: Oh?

468
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Speaker 8: Man, I mean, honestly, I don't really look at my

469
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Speaker 8: heart rate too much. I think that the breathing is

470
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Speaker 8: what I really focus on, mostly because that's kind of

471
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Speaker 8: like the anchor of focus sometimes, so you like control

472
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Speaker 8: your breathing, because you can control your breathing or is

473
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Speaker 8: your heart rate is kind of like kind of like

474
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Speaker 8: all right, heart's gonna do what it wants. I would

475
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Speaker 8: say I'm probably shooting around one hundred and fifty beats

476
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Speaker 8: per minute most times that I'm I'm on the range

477
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Speaker 8: or more.

478
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Speaker 1: For those of you at home, like, I don't know

479
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Speaker 1: if you can even get to one hundred and fifty

480
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Speaker 1: beats a minute, but like, go ahead and try shooting

481
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Speaker 1: a gun at accurately with your heart doing one hundred

482
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Speaker 1: and fifty beats a minute. That's insane, all right, Paul,

483
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Speaker 1: Because we've interviewed you before on the show, not on

484
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Speaker 1: this show, but on the Mediator podcast. So I have

485
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Speaker 1: an idea of like the things that you've been through.

486
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Speaker 1: I follow you on Instagram, give us the sort of

487
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Speaker 1: rundown of the hurdles. I was talking with recently the

488
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Speaker 1: one of the main folks over at cross Cut, which

489
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Speaker 1: is Bozeman's biathlete sort of center shooting center, and I

490
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: mentioned your name and she's like, yeah, that guy has

491
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Speaker 1: been through more to get to what he's getting to

492
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Speaker 1: do now than like anybody else I know. I mean

493
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Speaker 1: it's just like, it's amazing, So give us a short

494
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Speaker 1: rundown of like the hurdles that you've had to go

495
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Speaker 1: through to be able to race this next week.

496
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think that.

497
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Speaker 8: When I was last sitting in your guys at studio

498
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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty two, I was asked the question like, oh,

499
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Speaker 8: how much long are you gonna go? And at that

500
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Speaker 8: point I was kind of like, I don't really know,

501
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 8: and I didn't really see myself competing for another four years,

502
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Speaker 8: and I think that decision was almost kind of made

503
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Speaker 8: for me. In twenty twenty three, I had a knee

504
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Speaker 8: injury that I actually had to get a knee surgery,

505
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Speaker 8: so I had to finish my season early, came home,

506
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 8: got surgery, rehabbed back from that surgery, made a full

507
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 8: come back, qualified for the World Cup. Was at the

508
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 8: pre World Cup camp in Finland, and my knee just

509
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 8: totally blew up, like just I didn't know what was

510
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 8: going on. I thought maybe it was just the travel

511
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 8: with some other things wasn't getting better. So I ended

512
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Speaker 8: up flying home from Finland, and at that point, not

513
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Speaker 8: only was I having some knee issues, I was actually

514
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Speaker 8: having a lot of other stuff going on in my

515
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Speaker 8: personal life as well. And I just remember sitting across

516
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Speaker 8: the table from my coach when I was in Finland

517
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Speaker 8: and just saying, like, I'm going home and I don't

518
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Speaker 8: know when I'm coming back, because like it just seemed

519
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 8: like everything was pretty chaotic at that point. I ended

520
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Speaker 8: up going home and I realized that my knee had

521
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 8: re injured itself, so I had to get a second

522
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Speaker 8: knee surgery. And basically what happened was the first surgery,

523
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Speaker 8: the injury that they had repaired just had failed, and

524
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Speaker 8: I was right back to where I was and it

525
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 8: was a knee scope, so they're like, hey, you should

526
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Speaker 8: be good to like ski pretty soon, and my knee

527
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 8: just was not responding. I would ski for about thirty minutes,

528
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 8: my knee would be swollen for two days. And so

529
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Speaker 8: at that point, I was like, I don't even know

530
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Speaker 8: if I can compete, much less if I want to compete.

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Speaker 8: And that kind of like put me in a really

532
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Speaker 8: interesting spot because it was kind of like maybe the

533
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 8: decision was made for me. I felt like my life

534
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 8: at that point was maybe steering me in a different direction.

535
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Speaker 8: Priorities that came that come before sport were things that

536
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Speaker 8: I think I was prioritizing at that time. But as

537
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 8: that year unfolded, Uh again, I think some some decisions

538
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 8: were made for me, maybe decisions that I would have

539
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Speaker 8: made for myself, and I ultimately felt like I should train,

540
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Speaker 8: train back. I went down to Stedman Clinic in Colorado

541
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Speaker 8: because my knee wasn't responding, and they said that I

542
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 8: should get another knee surgery, but they were gonna put

543
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Speaker 8: metal in my my knee, and I was just not

544
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Speaker 8: ready to put metal in my knee at my age.

545
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Speaker 8: It would have just kind of started me down another

546
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Speaker 8: path that I didn't really feel like was necessary. And uh,

547
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Speaker 8: I actually kind of started to get back into training

548
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 8: and then got to a point where I was like, man,

549
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Speaker 8: I finally feel like my knees responding.

550
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Speaker 2: I can train enough to be able to get back

551
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Speaker 2: to a high level.

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Speaker 8: And I really don't know what happened other than maybe

553
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Speaker 8: my body responded in such a way that I was

554
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Speaker 8: able to get back and slowly made my way back

555
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Speaker 8: at that time. Because I didn't compete that year before,

556
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Speaker 8: I was left off the national team, so I didn't

557
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Speaker 8: have any support from the national team. I lost my

558
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 8: health insurance, I was just training on my own and

559
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Speaker 8: thankfully was able to requalify for the team this past year.

560
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Speaker 8: Had to work my way back up through the ranks.

561
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Speaker 8: Was at World Championships and qualified for that basically like

562
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Speaker 8: last minute. I missed a lot of other chaotic things

563
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Speaker 8: going on, and that that makes me being here in

564
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Speaker 8: Italy right now talking to you guys something that I'm

565
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Speaker 8: like really grateful for because I definitely don't take it

566
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Speaker 8: for granted. There's plenty of things that could have derailed

567
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Speaker 8: me along the way and makes it makes it really

568
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Speaker 8: special to be able to compete this winter.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Okay, so you I don't know if I'm gonna

570
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Speaker 1: phrase this properly, but like what you made it to

571
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Speaker 1: the Olympics, which I think is you know, for most

572
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Speaker 1: of most people that that would be in of itself

573
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Speaker 1: like and it isn't amazing.

574
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Speaker 3: For everybody, just just generalize anybody.

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Speaker 1: It's an amazing accomplishment. But obviously you got a little

576
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Speaker 1: bit more ger in you than most of us. So

577
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Speaker 1: you're here, what's like, what is your focus set on?

578
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Speaker 9: Now?

579
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Speaker 1: What's your goal that you're there now?

580
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Speaker 8: Well, I think like for this year, I've set the

581
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Speaker 8: goal for myself top ten at the Olympics. I've gone

582
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Speaker 8: top ten at this venue before on the World Cup,

583
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Speaker 8: and so that's something that I've.

584
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Speaker 2: Really thought of.

585
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Speaker 8: I think another goal for our entire team that we

586
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Speaker 8: have and something that we hear about all the time

587
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Speaker 8: at the Olympics is Blatlon is the only winter sport

588
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 8: the US is yet to medal in at the Winter Olympics,

589
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Speaker 8: and it's kind of dubbed the last first medal, and

590
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Speaker 8: so I think our goal is really to see the

591
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Speaker 8: US win that that medal. I think we have some

592
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Speaker 8: chances in individual events, especially with my my teammate Campbell,

593
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Speaker 8: who last year won two silver medals at World Championships.

594
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Speaker 8: But we've been forth a couple of times in relays

595
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Speaker 8: this year on the on the World Cup, So I

596
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 8: think we really have our sites set on hopefully bringing

597
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Speaker 8: home that last first medal.

598
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Speaker 1: It listen, man, if you're telling me that you're you're

599
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Speaker 1: playing on possibly breaking top ten, I immediately think, well, if

600
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Speaker 1: he can do that, he could also go podium. Likely

601
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: that's only a few spots. And I know that you

602
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: guys know way more about this than I do, but yeah,

603
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: all right, awesome. I love to hear it. Let's talk

604
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Speaker 1: a little bit about how this biathon business uh like

605
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: relates to hunting. Matt, I was told that you actually

606
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Speaker 1: have hunted Shammy in the valley that you guys are

607
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: are compete well, that Paul is competing in this week.

608
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Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah?

609
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Actually I've been here four different times hunting for Shammy.

610
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Speaker 10: It's a beautiful valley. I call it like my second home.

611
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Speaker 10: Even though it's not just love coming here. I love

612
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Speaker 10: mountain hunting and I've lived in Europe now for thirteen

613
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Speaker 10: years and one of the things I missed about living

614
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Speaker 10: out west in the US was just mountain hunting, and

615
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 10: so I got an opportunity to be able to come

616
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Speaker 10: here and hunt Shammy and it's it's just awesome. So

617
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Speaker 10: I wasn't able to do it this past but hopefully

618
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 10: that's coming, you're I'll be able to do.

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Speaker 1: What does a hamp? Is that what you guys call it? Shammy?

620
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: Or do you do you pronounce it shamois?

621
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Speaker 6: I say shammy. Don't know that's right or not.

622
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, so, like what's a shammy hunt in that area?

623
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Speaker 1: Look like just gives a real quick rundown of like

624
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Speaker 1: a normal mourning Shammy hunt.

625
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Speaker 6: So all of my hunts actually have been mourning hunts.

626
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Speaker 2: Pretty much.

627
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Speaker 10: What we do is we get up before before sun up,

628
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 10: get up in the mountains. Usually we drive up with

629
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Speaker 10: a car up to a certain point.

630
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Speaker 6: And then you got a hike.

631
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Speaker 10: And sometimes it could be, you know, maybe just a

632
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 10: fifteen minute hike to get to a spot where you're

633
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 10: going to be spotting, or it could be a longer hike.

634
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 10: One year, we actually did go into about midday, so

635
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 10: we were moving around trying to spot some animals. This

636
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 10: isn't what we're looking for, Let's go over here. And

637
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 10: then we found some different ones. Not what we're looking for,

638
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 10: Let's go over here. So it took a little bit longer.

639
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Speaker 10: But once you get one down, usually you're up above

640
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 10: above two thousand meters, which is over six thousand feet.

641
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 10: I'm up above tree line. So once you get it down,

642
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 10: then it's you know, a matter of gutting it, put

643
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 10: it in a backpack hole. They put it in the

644
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 10: backpack hole. They don't cut it up because the only

645
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 10: weigh about probably sixty sixty five pounds roughly.

646
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 6: Put it in the backpack and then you're hiking back down.

647
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 10: So it could be, you know, a short hike depending

648
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 10: on where you parked, or it could be a fairly

649
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 10: long hike.

650
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Speaker 6: I mean, nothing like elk hunting in Colorado or something.

651
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: But sure, you know, you.

652
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Speaker 6: Get down and take it to the cooler where we

653
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 6: go and let it hang.

654
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Speaker 1: Are they pretty spooky critters? Or like, how sneaky do

655
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: you have to be to get within rifle range?

656
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 10: They see really well, So it depends on where where

657
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 10: you're at. Last year will not last year the year

658
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 10: before last. I don't know if that one was just

659
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 10: stupid or whatever, but we actually went across this opening

660
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 10: where he could see us, and I got to about

661
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 10: three hundred and fifty yards and decided, okay, he's if

662
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 10: we go any closer, he's going to bust. So I

663
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 10: was able to take the shot and knock him down.

664
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 10: Depends on where you're at. There's a lot of times

665
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 10: where you're trying to sneak in, sneaking in to get

666
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 10: to rifle range or good rifle range, which I would

667
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 10: say is, you know, two fifty to three hundred yards.

668
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 10: The closest shot I've ever taken, he was probably about

669
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 10: two thirty. You gotta kind of sneak behind rocks, try

670
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 10: to keep yourself hidden because they see well. And especially

671
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 10: if you've got a big group of them, you know,

672
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 10: maybe there's ten animals there, you've got ten different sets

673
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 10: of eyes looking at you, then you've got to be

674
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 10: a little bit more careful, especially if there.

675
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 6: Are females in if they're females with little ones, then

676
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 6: then you got to be really careful to get in

677
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 6: on the buck.

678
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: I know both of you guys hunt a fair amount.

679
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: Are there times when you guys are actually in the field,

680
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: maybe right after a shot or getting ready to preparing

681
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: for a shot, where you have a thought where you're like, oh,

682
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: my biathlon training is really paying off.

683
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean for sure, I think the biggest thing

684
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 8: that I've noticed is that one, I'm fit enough to

685
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 8: be able to get places that I need to be,

686
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 8: which is like a a huge benefit. But yeah, I

687
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 8: think that there's been a few hunts, Like in Montana,

688
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 8: I was hunting the Missouri breaks and like, uh, we

689
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 8: just like found a spot and it was no problem

690
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 8: to hike in six six miles or whatever.

691
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: And I mean we were just on elk all day

692
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: every day. And then I think a couple.

693
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 8: Of years ago, I actually drew a moose tag in

694
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Speaker 8: North Dakota and hunting there. I think that like one

695
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 8: the persistence, just like waking up every single day as

696
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 8: an athlete, you just know like, hey, it's a new

697
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 8: opportunity and just.

698
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: Got to be in the game if we're gonna be there.

699
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 8: But then also like when that target shows up and

700
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 8: the heart rate goes up, I'm I'm just like, okay, yeah,

701
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 8: we're just like. Doesn't mean that my trigger has to

702
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 8: be any bit different, doesn't mean that my anchor points

703
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 8: my sites everything else. Like my my focus goes immediately

704
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 8: to the things that.

705
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: I want to do to to take a good shot.

706
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that.

707
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 8: Comes from the fact that like I shoot tens of

708
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 8: thousands of rounds every single year, yeah with a rifle,

709
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 8: whereas with my with my moose, I shot it with

710
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 8: my bow. But like shooting and shooting, and I think

711
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 8: that's the biggest thing as a bo athlete, Like I

712
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 8: just I know I'm a better shooter than than I

713
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 8: was when I was younger, and I wasn't shooting nearly

714
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Speaker 8: as much as I do now.

715
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Speaker 10: Well, I also think Paul, the mental part of it

716
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 10: because when you're we kind of go on autopilot. It's

717
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 10: like we've done this so much, whether it's in biathlon

718
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 10: or precision shooting, you've performed so often under pressure that

719
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 10: when we're hunting, you get to that moment and you

720
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 10: just do the things that you've been trained to do,

721
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 10: the things that you've done, you know, thousands and thousands

722
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 10: of times, so that that training comes in very helpful.

723
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 10: You just you don't even think about it. You just

724
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 10: do the work that needs to be done.

725
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: Right. Okay, so you guys both shot. I don't even

726
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Speaker 1: know you guys. Do you guys have a rough number

727
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: in your head about how many rounds of twenty two

728
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: l R you've you've put down range?

729
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 8: Well, I want to make a decision here. Matt is

730
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 8: a he was an Olympic shooter, and how many metals

731
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 8: do you have? So he has three shootings in just

732
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 8: uh three medals and just shooting. So that's I mean,

733
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 8: he he probably shoots more as an athlete than I do.

734
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 8: I probably shoot about fifteen to twenty thousand rounds of

735
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Speaker 8: twenty two a year.

736
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Speaker 6: Yeah it wasn't. I probably shout about maybe twenty five

737
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 6: thousand a year.

738
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: And how many years.

739
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 10: I competed for Gee Whiz over twenty years, So it's

740
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 10: it's it's a lot.

741
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: That's fabulous. Oh that's a lot. I love powder so

742
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: that your fingers still stink like powder.

743
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,479
Speaker 1: I think for a real like a real take home

744
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: for folks watching and listening would be coming from you, guys,

745
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: like what are like each? Give me two reasons of why,

746
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: like what makes someone a I'm gonna use air quotes

747
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: a bad shot. Go ahead, Matt, you first.

748
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 10: All right, practice practice Everything comes down to practice.

749
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 6: I mean, aneso.

750
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 10: If you practice poor things, if you practice a lot,

751
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 10: you're doing it wrong. You're just gonna get good that

752
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 10: doing it wrong. So I think proper practice is number one.

753
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 10: A lot of people don't understand what proper technique is.

754
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 10: And it's as simple as position, breathing, trigger, control, follow through.

755
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 10: If you can do those things right, you're going to

756
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 10: hit a lot of targets or animals or whatever it

757
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 10: might be. So I think proper practice learning what proper

758
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 10: technique is and then just simply doing it doing.

759
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 6: It a lot.

760
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: Ball.

761
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think I think I like I see

762
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 8: it in I'm gonna say biath on and if I'm

763
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 8: watching hunting videos. Sometimes you see someone man, they're just

764
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 8: they don't have any good trigger work. And then they

765
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 8: also are just popping their head up to see if

766
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 8: they hit the target even before the shot goes off.

767
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 8: So like if your head's coming up before the recoil

768
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 8: goes you're more concerned about if you hit the animal.

769
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 8: I think that's a big thing. It's just having that

770
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 8: patience to be able to have that trigger squeeze, watch

771
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 8: it through the scope or your sites and see that

772
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 8: bullet hit the target.

773
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: I think that's a that's a huge one.

774
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: M It sounds like being a bad shot is not

775
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 1: an innate thing. Everybody just needs to shoot more, shoot

776
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: more often.

777
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 6: It's a skill, and I would say skills are trainable.

778
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: Yep.

779
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: Love that. Randall seth any questions for these fellas.

780
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: Man real quick. I don't I don't need the full

781
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: breakdown on your rifle, but it looks like it's a

782
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: straight poll a lot of stuff hanging off of it.

783
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 3: I'm curious if you could give us like the thirty

784
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: second rundown of what you compete with in terms of firearms.

785
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: And then also you must travel internationally with with your firearms.

786
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 3: Quite a bit, so I'm curious about that as well.

787
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, so pretty much every single by athlete's gonna shoot

788
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 8: the exact same action in barrel. It's an on shoots

789
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 8: Fortner and it's just a straightfold action. Reason being is

790
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 8: because of that action and also a reliable good barrel.

791
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 8: There's amo testing and barrel testing that's done, so every

792
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 8: once in a while you'll have to get a new barrel.

793
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 8: But pretty much everybody's shooting the same thing. Where the

794
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 8: differentiating like factor is going to be for each athlete

795
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 8: is in the stock. Unfortunately, I don't have my rifle

796
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 8: here because they're all in rifle storage up at the venue.

797
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Otherwise i'd be able to show you. But my stock,

798
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: I got a new one.

799
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 8: Back in twenty nineteen. It was made by a stockmaker

800
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 8: in Germany. He's kind of renowned as being one of

801
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 8: the best stock makers in the world. And it's all

802
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 8: about balance and fitting met anatomically my hands, eye, my arms,

803
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 8: my cheekbones, everything, and it's all open sites.

804
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: But then it weighs about three.

805
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 8: And a half kilos, just over seven pounds, and yeah,

806
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 8: and then you have a harness on so you can

807
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 8: put it on your back while you while your skiing. Now,

808
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 8: traveling with a rifle, honestly, as an American sometimes really

809
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 8: sucks because we don't have paperwork. Because all the Europeans

810
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 8: they all have rifle passport, so when they show up

811
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 8: to a country, they can show them their rifle passport.

812
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 8: They're like, okay, good you go. We show up here

813
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 8: and they're always asking us, oh, do you have like

814
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 8: your firearms license?

815
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: Do you have this?

816
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 8: And we're like, we're Americana that like my passport is

817
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 8: my firearm license? Like don't know what you're talking about.

818
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 11: And so a lot of times they're sitting there like, wait,

819
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 11: you don't have any But I'm like, usually what I

820
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 11: show them is just the customs form, the like four

821
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 11: four five seven, which is the form that allows you

822
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 11: to bring it back into the US.

823
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 8: And it's like oh okay cool. But so yeah, it

824
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 8: can be real pain. I would say, like South Korea

825
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 8: was a huge pain. China they didn't even let us

826
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 8: touch it. Like they took the rifles from the airport

827
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 8: and they put them in an armored vehicle and then

828
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 8: drove them to the venue for us. But once you

829
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 8: get in, it's it's pretty simple it's not not anything

830
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 8: crazy paperwork.

831
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: Cool.

832
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: What's the uh, what's the AMMO that you guys are shooting?

833
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: Is that like all factory stuff or someone like loading

834
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 4: that for you guys? And is everyone using the same ammo?

835
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's all factory AMO.

836
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 10: So twenty two is it's not impossible to reload, but

837
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 10: nobody does it. Yeah, the way the priming system's done,

838
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 10: the powder and all that stuff. So most everyone on

839
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 10: the World Cup is using Lapua AMO and it's called

840
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 10: Lapua Polar Biathlon. This was a twenty two long rifle

841
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 10: round that was developed for shooting in cold temperature. So

842
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 10: it uses a different type of powder that's less sensitive

843
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 10: to temperature changes because whether it's you know, I don't know,

844
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 10: thirty five degrees fahrenheit or zero, we're using the same

845
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 10: stuff and we need to make sure that the velocity

846
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 10: is not going to change drastically as some other powders might.

847
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 6: That way we keep the accuracy.

848
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 10: It also has a special loob on the bullet which

849
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 10: functions better in cold weather. Most everyone's using the same stuff.

850
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 10: There are some teams that are using RWs now and

851
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 10: they've also developed a similar type of bullet and powder combination,

852
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 10: but most everyone uses lapula.

853
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: Nice love this.

854
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, tell us I guess what day your rate?

855
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming that NBC Peacock is the best way,

856
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: but maybe there's another place on the internet to watch

857
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: your races. Paul.

858
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, so we we have Bathlon has I think ten

859
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 8: race days in the in the Olympics. Here we have

860
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 8: that's gonna be split between both men's and women's. The

861
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 8: first race is going to be this Sunday, the mixed relay,

862
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 8: and then the men's individual is on Tuesday. The men's

863
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 8: sprint is on Friday, pursuit is on Sunday. Is it

864
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 8: Sunday Sunday? And then the relay is the next week

865
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 8: on the seventeenth, which I think is a Tuesday or Wednesday.

866
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 8: But yeah, you can find it all on Bathlon World

867
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 8: dot com or Bathlon Results dot com or on NBCM peacock.

868
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: Love it awesome, Thank you, well, good luck to you guys.

869
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: We'll be cheering you on from Bozeman, Montana. And you

870
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: say you stay, you stay you.

871
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 8: I want to share one last thing you guys, is

872
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 8: you say good luck. I think one thing that's really

873
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 8: cool here in Europe.

874
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: Or in Italy.

875
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 8: Specifically, if you're wishing someone luck, it's kind of a

876
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 8: call and response. Instead of just saying good luck, what

877
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 8: you would say is in bokopo to the person you're

878
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 8: wishing good luck, which means in the wolf's mouth, and

879
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 8: the person who respond preppy loopo, which means the wolf

880
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 8: is dead.

881
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: So preppy loopo and boco loopo in the wolf's mouth

882
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: and you respond with wolf is dead. I love that fast, Paul.

883
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: You're crushing it, dude, I see a top ten finishing

884
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: your future. Buddy. Thanks again for coming on, and uh

885
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: we'll be watching you here shortly. Thanks guys, that's great,

886
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: that's cool.

887
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: That's awesome, that Spencer.

888
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 1: If you don't like that, you know what I'm gonna

889
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: say to you.

890
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: Should we turn to our next guest?

891
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, let's move listener feed Let's

892
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 5: do a super sized listener feedback at the end of

893
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 5: the show. So we just do back to back interviews

894
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 5: here and then hip throw it back.

895
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: And then fine, Yeah, we don't want to we don't

896
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: want to keep our next uh our next guest waiting

897
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: too long. Uh So now we are joined by Wildlife

898
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: Officer extraordinaire, Demi, right from Colorado. Demi, welcome to the show.

899
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 9: Hi guys, thanks for having me. Super excited to be here.

900
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: Are you a Were you watching that last interview?

901
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 9: I was, Yeah, those guys are awesome.

902
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: Are you going to be watching? Are you know a

903
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: fan of the Olympics? Are you gonna be tuning in?

904
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

905
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 9: Absolutely, definitely gonna watch the Olympics. I can't I can't

906
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 9: believe how many rounds those guys shoot every year.

907
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, lucky. I guess if you, if you

908
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: have the right sponsor, you get to shoot all that

909
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: for free. Probably, Yeah, that's yeah, that's amazing. All right, Demi,

910
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: we came across you, I think most of us. I mean,

911
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of peop watch and listen and

912
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: probably have seen your face or know your name, because

913
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: recently you had a big I think a big poaching

914
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: bus and it got a lot of press. So tell

915
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that, that specific case and

916
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: and sort of I guess what, why did it get

917
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: so much praise?

918
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 9: Yeah? So, the recent cage case was a poaching case

919
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 9: with some active duty soldiers on Fort Carson, an Army

920
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 9: military installation here in Colorado Springs in Colorado, I cover

921
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 9: that installation and then they allow hunting and recreational opportunities

922
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 9: on that installation, and it's an incredible resource for civilians

923
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 9: to hunt on and for for members of the military.

924
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 9: But that poaching case involved six illegally taken deer, and

925
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 9: you know, it got it got a lot of attention,

926
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 9: which I wasn't expecting at all. We have a lot

927
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 9: of military in Colorado Springs, and so I think people

928
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 9: always want to know what's going on. And it was

929
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 9: pretty egregious. So I think people were really upset with

930
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 9: how many animals were taken. And you know, it's just, yeah,

931
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 9: I got some more attention than I thought it would.

932
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Remind everybody, because I think a lot of times

933
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: when we hear about a poaching case, you're like, well,

934
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: it's just one or maybe even if it's just six deer, right,

935
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: or oh, someone had to eat, and it's sometimes it

936
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: can be easy to be like, well it's not that

937
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: bad until you see like thirty, you know, giant racks

938
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: that were poached. But remind everybody why poaching is bad.

939
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, so hunting and poaching two different things, right,

940
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 9: you know, hunters are doing it legally and ethically responsibly.

941
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 9: They've got a license in their pocket. They're out there,

942
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 9: you know, to fill their freezers or carry on tradition

943
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 9: and heritage, have time with family and friends, you know,

944
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 9: doing all the right things and reaping the rewards of it.

945
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 9: And then poaching is just is a crime. It's just

946
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 9: straight up taking, you know, or pursuing wildlife illegally and

947
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 9: ultimately you know, legal ethical, responsible hunting funds, wildlife conservation.

948
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 9: You know, in Colorado and like many other states, hunting

949
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 9: and fishing licenses, fun wildlife conservation, and habitat management. So

950
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 9: when you're not paying into that pot, you're robbing legitimate

951
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 9: sports persons. And as a legitimate sports person, I'm not

952
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 9: cool with that. And I just happen to have this

953
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 9: patch that enforces those rules.

954
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: So okay, we'll get back to the case itself. But

955
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: I want to do like a few questions to just

956
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: kind of set us up here, What like, why did

957
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: you want to become a wildlife officer?

958
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, question, I've thought about that a lot recently. Yeah,

959
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 9: I mean I grew up outdoors. I was outside since

960
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 9: since I was just a little one, you know, I

961
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 9: have barbie fishing pull in my hand way back back when.

962
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 9: And you know, I grew up around being outside, hiking, camping, voting.

963
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 9: I grew up around a hunting family. Hunting wasn't passed

964
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 9: down to me when I was when I was younger.

965
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 9: It just kind of skipped my generation. But you know,

966
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 9: I grew up butchering and processing, you know, all the

967
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 9: animals that were brought home.

968
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: And so I loved it.

969
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 9: And then I realized when I got older, I could

970
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 9: I could get paid for this and I actually have

971
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 9: you know, family members and the agency that I work for,

972
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 9: and so I spent a couple days in the summer

973
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 9: being volunt told to do some things. So I realized, yeah,

974
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 9: I want to do this. And then you know, I

975
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 9: knew I wanted to work for Colorado Parks and Wildlife.

976
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 9: I didn't really know and what you know, what aspect

977
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 9: I did. Then I realized I could be a wildlife

978
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 9: officer and serve a community, and so it all kind

979
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 9: of worked out. I'm also a people person, so I

980
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 9: didn't want to be a biologist because I need people

981
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 9: to talk to. Our biologists do incredible work. But I'm

982
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 9: kind of a yapper, so wildlife officer worked for me.

983
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: Okay, uh, what's a what's a normal day look like

984
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: for you? When they're when you don't have to like

985
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: go and you know, check up on some illegally shot deer.

986
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: You're just going. And I know that I'm very aware

987
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: of the breadth of what you do, So there might

988
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: not be an easy answer, But what's a normal day

989
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: for you look like?

990
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 9: Yeah, there is definitely no normal day. Every day is

991
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 9: different and that's that's certainly the feel of the job.

992
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 6: Right.

993
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 9: My truck's my office. So a normal day starts and

994
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 9: starts in my office in my truck. And you know,

995
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 9: maybe it's hunting season and it's that time. You know,

996
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 9: it's fall time, and I'm checking hunters for twelve or

997
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 9: fourteen hours a day, and maybe that's what my whole

998
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 9: day is. Or you know, maybe it's summer when you know,

999
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 9: in Colorado Springs is the urban wildlife interface and so

1000
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 9: moving bears around and wrangling deer, and or maybe I'm

1001
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 9: teaching hunter ed or I'm in a school doing you know,

1002
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 9: a career career topic. I mean, no two days are

1003
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 9: the same, which is truly the best part of this

1004
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 9: job is I've never lived the same day twice.

1005
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: So that's awesome.

1006
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: That is a great reason to have your job. Okay,

1007
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: so that's a normal day, which sounds awesome. Tell me

1008
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 1: about how how many years have you been doing this job?

1009
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm I would classify myself as a as a

1010
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 9: baby officer. So I've been an officer now for three years.

1011
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 9: I started with agency as an intern and then I

1012
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 9: did some seasonal positions which was the most fun jobs ever,

1013
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 9: all the fun stuff and now the responsibility. And so yeah,

1014
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 9: officer for three years now.

1015
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: In those three years, what's the most exciting day that

1016
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: you've experienced on the job. What happened?

1017
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 9: We have some exciting days. I'm not gonna lie. I

1018
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 9: handle bears all the time. I've got a lot of

1019
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 9: bears in my in my district that I cover, so

1020
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 9: I usually have my hands on a bear two Those

1021
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 9: days are exciting, especially when they're being honery and you know,

1022
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 9: you can't predict what wild life is going to do,

1023
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 9: especially when you're trying to pick up a bear. You know,

1024
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 9: we we do some really cool stuff. You know, we

1025
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 9: have big horned sheep traps that we do and that's

1026
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 9: for some relocating to create different sheep herds, and that

1027
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 9: is literally just going out and wrestling cheap. So there's

1028
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 9: a lot of exciting days.

1029
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, fellas, any questions right now before I move

1030
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: on here.

1031
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: No, I'm just like the hands on stuff always just

1032
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: grabs my imagination.

1033
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, the hands down stuff is why you do.

1034
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: The job, right, Yeah, totally.

1035
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 9: I want to touch a bear, all right.

1036
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: So the article that I read, the many that I read,

1037
00:53:54,320 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: said there was a moment identified where you identify or

1038
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: associated vehicle with this crime that happened on Fort Carson,

1039
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: But it didn't really say exactly how you did that.

1040
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: Can you explain like how you all of a sudden

1041
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: like figured out what vehicle was associated with the crime

1042
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: and then tell me was that a sort of crux

1043
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: of the investigation?

1044
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 9: Yeah? So I was. You know, this this tip came

1045
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 9: in from from a legitimate hunter who who'd found a

1046
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 9: buck that had the antlers sawed off and and very

1047
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 9: minimal meat taken, and and he called the Fort Carson

1048
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 9: conservation officers, who are absolutely incredible to work with, and

1049
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 9: so you know, they kind of called me in and said,

1050
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 9: you know, we I think we have a poacher. So

1051
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 9: went out there you know, looked at the buck. Obviously

1052
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 9: this is not a legitimate harvest, and you know, quarters

1053
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 9: aren't taken, tunderlines aren't taken, backstraps, I mean, just one

1054
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 9: one small roast and the antler's cut off, and so

1055
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 9: looking around for a spent cartridge, which is pretty impossible

1056
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 9: on an active military installation, by the way, there's a

1057
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 9: lot of sped cartridges. And you know, find find another

1058
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 9: dough with the exact same same grunt roast taken and

1059
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 9: that's it. But near those two carcasses, found some boot tracks.

1060
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 9: Followed those boot tracks off of the installation.

1061
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: Sorry to interject, but dirt tracking or snow tracking a.

1062
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 9: Little bit of bolt. There wasn't a lot of snow

1063
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 9: on the ground. There was snow in some parts, but

1064
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 9: it was yeah, it was mostly dirt. So yeah, followed

1065
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 9: the boot tracks off the installation, found some tire tracks.

1066
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 9: It happened to be near a wild land firefighter housing.

1067
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 9: So you know, we just me and the conservation officers

1068
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 9: for Fort Carson popped in there and firefighters saw vehicle

1069
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 9: there within the last couple of days. And I knew

1070
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 9: that those carcasses were one maybe two days old, so

1071
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 9: they're like, yeah, this this vehicle was he it was weird.

1072
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 9: We took a picture of it, so that kind of

1073
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 9: linked up my guy and found the registered owner of

1074
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 9: that vehicle because they took the picture, ran them through

1075
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 9: our systems. Never had a license, which of course led

1076
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 9: me to his social media, myself and the conservation officers

1077
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 9: to his social media where he certainly had some animals

1078
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 9: on there, but no license.

1079
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that brings up the question because we've talked

1080
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: to enough wildlife officers over the years and more and

1081
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: more it seems like what's bringing these fools down is

1082
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: social media and like and we've heard like it's a

1083
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: big part of your job, right where you can actually

1084
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: like get a lot of work done just by perusing

1085
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: social media.

1086
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, absolutely, I mean everybody takes pictures of what

1087
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 9: they do, you know, and especially if you think it's

1088
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 9: something cool, and everybody's got a cell phone in their pocket,

1089
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 9: and so yeah, in this case, for the case twenty something,

1090
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 9: people definitely take pictures of the things that they shoot at,

1091
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 9: and so we use that to our advantage. I mean

1092
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 9: we're gonna use every I'm going to use every tool

1093
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 9: I have. So if I've got to get a warrant

1094
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 9: for your social media. That's fine, I can do that.

1095
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: Unreal, unreal? What else was I gonna ask you? Oh,

1096
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: as a part of the punishment, I read that they're

1097
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: given some pretty hefty fines and then they're still sort

1098
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: of waiting to see what kind of revocations is that

1099
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: the right word, will happen of their hunting and fishing licenses,

1100
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: and it might be country wide because of the interstate

1101
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: compact that we have in place now. So that's awesome.

1102
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: When I saw the numbers, I was like, oh good,

1103
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna get hit pretty hard. But you're also taking

1104
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: their rifle. The rifle, though, is being destroyed, and often

1105
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: times that can like it gets a little like people

1106
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,479
Speaker 1: get upset when guns are are destroyed. So why because

1107
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: I've heard that oftentimes heads and hides can be auctioned off,

1108
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: that are heads and hides that come from poaching cases,

1109
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: and then that money can get put back into wildlife.

1110
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: So why destroy this weapon versus possibly auctioning it off

1111
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: and using that money for wildlife.

1112
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1113
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 9: No, that's a great question, and everybody asks it, and

1114
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 9: the answer is, you know, it's it's state law. So

1115
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 9: it's Colorado state statute that this this firearm has been

1116
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 9: deemed the public nuisance, and so that happens judicially. That's

1117
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 9: not something that Colorado Parks and Wildlife makes the call on.

1118
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 9: And so you know, we follow the law and we

1119
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 9: listen to what the core system tells us. So it

1120
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 9: does get destroyed. We do have some hides that go

1121
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 9: to auction, and those are like roadkill mortality hides that

1122
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 9: will go to auction and that money comes back into

1123
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 9: the general pot. But with the firearm, yeah, it's it's

1124
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 9: the court's decision. But I heard everybody loud and clear.

1125
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: On that one.

1126
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to be a snob, and I

1127
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: didn't get a good look at that thing, But I

1128
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 3: don't think it's going to bring in a ton of

1129
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 3: conservation funding.

1130
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: It's not anything Radel. You're not gonna bid on that one.

1131
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think that's even worth the gun broker,

1132
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: you know, bumping it up with the listings, like paying

1133
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: for extra photos and stuff like that.

1134
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Debbie. For folks that you know hear this,

1135
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: or they've been thinking about it, Young folks out there

1136
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: thinking about what they're going to do with their lives,

1137
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: thinking they could possibly do the job that you do.

1138
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: It sounds pretty awesome. Give us some advice and maybe

1139
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: some sort of the baseline education that you need to

1140
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: get involved in doing what you do.

1141
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, so in the state of Colorado, you do have

1142
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 9: to have a four year degree in a natural resource

1143
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 9: field and then you go through a whole onboarding process.

1144
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 9: You know that that you would for kind of any

1145
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 9: peace officer position, So your background checks, polygraph psyche out,

1146
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 9: all the fun stuff. And then when you get the job,

1147
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 9: you go to police Academy for six months, and then

1148
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 9: after that you go to Colorado Parks and Wildlife's Academy.

1149
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 9: They teach you all kinds of fun things and snowmobile training,

1150
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 9: horseback riding training, wildlife forensics. It's all the cool stuff

1151
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 9: that you got into the job for. So that's kind

1152
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 9: of the education and then what you can expect if

1153
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 9: you're hired. But you know, if you're if you're looking

1154
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 9: at this job, just get involved with whatever you know,

1155
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 9: state agency that you can volunteer, spend your time with people,

1156
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 9: show them that you can work hard, go on ride

1157
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 9: alongs with the officers. You know, if you want to

1158
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 9: be an officer, I'd say you really, you know, really

1159
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 9: understand the job before before you get into it. It

1160
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 9: can be a really huge commitment. It's one of the

1161
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 9: most rewarding jobs in the world. I can't I can't

1162
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 9: picture I mean anything else, but just really understand what

1163
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 9: you're signing up for and get involved as much as

1164
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 9: you can and just stick with it. Listen more than

1165
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 9: you speak, and yeah, just just stick with it. It's tough,

1166
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 9: but once you get in, you're in.

1167
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: So mm I like that you said that. I like

1168
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: always like the quote about you have two ears and

1169
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: one mouth, you should use them.

1170
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 3: And that's good advice for any anyone interested in any

1171
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 3: career field.

1172
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, it is Seth and Randall.

1173
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 3: I don't have any questions. I just you know, I

1174
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 3: always appreciate folks out there putting themselves in uncomfortable situations

1175
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 3: to protect our shared resources. And there's just like everything

1176
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: that we love depends on people committing themselves to protecting that.

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01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: So hats off and promising start a young career, but

1178
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 3: a promising start, you know, let us know when you

1179
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 3: have your next big bust, we'll get you back on here.

1180
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 9: Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks, thanks so much for the kind words,

1181
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 9: really really happy to be here, and yeah, sure a

1182
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 9: little bit of what's going on in this world.

1183
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: Thank you, Demy. Good luck in the future, Thank you,

1184
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: Thanks Demy.

1185
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: Sea to Stellar guests today, Yannie, you good.

1186
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: I can't take I think I can take credit for

1187
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,479
Speaker 1: DEMI because I did send the article to UH to Jake,

1188
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: our producer, and asked him to line that up. And

1189
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: then I don't know exactly who lined up Paul and Matt,

1190
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, I've enjoyed that. It's a time for some

1191
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: listener feedback.

1192
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 5: Phil, Yeah, well what we're probably only going to do

1193
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 5: one listener feedback. Do you want to do throwback? And

1194
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 5: then we can just hit keep going.

1195
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 3: We can keep this thing going, Phil.

1196
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 5: We'll say that for March.

1197
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: Who wants to go first? Our throwbacks first? Oh, this

1198
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: is very important. I'm gonna milk all these.

1199
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna milk for the next month.

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01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy I can't believe it. Did I mentioned

1201
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: Stephen Ronie As I don't think I had heard that one. Yeah,

1202
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: oh great, fantastic's that's one of my favorits.

1203
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1204
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: Oh, Corey Colkin's just texted me. He must be listening

1205
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: and he said, Uh, I lined up, Paul, Come on bro,

1206
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: Sorry Corey, Sorry Corey.

1207
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 3: Shout out to the whole team here.

1208
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a group of groups, not just us group.

1209
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: I didn't have shit for this one group effort. All right,

1210
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: who's going first, doctor.

1211
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 3: I'll go first. I don't think Yanni realized when he

1212
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 3: sent out this, uh, this query for photos from twenty

1213
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: years ago. I don't think he realized it. Seth and

1214
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 3: I were both still in high school.

1215
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: No, I realized that. Yeah. I was half hoping that

1216
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: we could even have a fourth person in here that

1217
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: was even younger, and all of a sudden we'd have

1218
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: a well there is you're in diapers fill in the corner.

1219
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not gonna get me in diapers twenty years ago.

1220
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 5: But I do. I do have a picture.

1221
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to share good I wanted to share

1222
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 3: my my high school football photo.

1223
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: But is that it?

1224
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 3: No, that's not it.

1225
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: I say, I've seen that photo. It's a good one.

1226
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: Maybe bringing out for the grand finale of Yeah, and

1227
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: I realized I was twenty.

1228
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 3: That was twenty twenty four, so you know it's not

1229
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: quite But this is twenty years ago. This is me

1230
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: living my Best Life summer of twenty twenty six. Actually,

1231
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 3: I was probably home from the first twenty Oh I'm

1232
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 3: sorry two thousand and six. Okay, I think I was

1233
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 3: probably actually home for my first year college working for

1234
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 3: a company called pro Clean Restoration Incorporated. Uh. We had

1235
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 3: an office on Columbia Parkway there in Cincinnati. I sound

1236
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 3: like rain Man when I do that. Columbia Parkway, Cincinnati, Ohio,

1237
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 3: eight to eight Oak.

1238
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 5: Street or whatever.

1239
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I bring up where I'm working because

1240
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 3: as you can see on this T shirt, it's covered

1241
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 3: in paint and deck stain. And also that hat is

1242
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 3: a bass pro Shops hat that was I used as

1243
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 3: a wiping rag, and so it actually weighed perhaps two

1244
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 3: and a quarter pounds with all of the cedar tone

1245
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 3: deck stain as we called it sa dub that I'd

1246
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 3: absorbed into this hat fully weather proof or for a

1247
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: real long time fishing with nightcrawlers in the Little Miami River.

1248
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 3: That is a Bass Pro Shops bait casting combo. I

1249
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 3: think it's probably got some pretty heavy mono on there,

1250
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 3: judging by the reflection of the light, and just a

1251
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 3: real simple nightcrawler on the bottom. Looks like I got

1252
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 3: an egg sinker there and a really crappy landing net

1253
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 3: that the foam had ripped off the handle. But you know,

1254
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 3: it's always fun to net fish instead of just dragging

1255
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 3: them up on the bank.

1256
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: Let me guess, like a seven pound channel cat. Is

1257
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: that what I'm looking at? Yeah?

1258
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 3: I think that's a good estimation.

1259
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: Did I get the species right?

1260
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 3: Yes? But what I like about that one, well, what

1261
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 3: I like about that one in particular is that the

1262
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 3: tail is hanging out of the net, which I think

1263
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 3: always adds to always adds exactly.

1264
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like it's going to slap you in

1265
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 1: the face.

1266
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 3: You get a king salmon in the net and you

1267
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 3: got the big tail flopping over the side. That's a

1268
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: good fish, no matter how big the net is.

1269
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: Oh, I need to go catch one of those one

1270
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: day by fall nets. Let's go right now, All right, seth,

1271
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: Let's go back twenty years ago? Has almost twenty almost twenty,

1272
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: we'll say it's eighteen does two thousand and eight?

1273
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,919
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, that guy doing some fur trapping had

1274
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 4: a to be a good day of raccoon trapping. I

1275
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 4: used to back when I was in high school. I

1276
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 4: used to run a line every every season basically, and

1277
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 4: I would get up and check the line before school

1278
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 4: and then go into school.

1279
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, this was just a day of coon trapping.

1280
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 4: Got the one on the left there is, uh, I'll

1281
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 4: point out as quite a large one.

1282
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: And back in those days, raccoons were going.

1283
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 4: For a decent price. Remember I got like fifty eight

1284
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 4: bucks for raccoon back then one time, and that was

1285
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,959
Speaker 4: flashed and stretched. Yeah, yeah, sold it through the North

1286
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 4: American Fur Auction NAFA, which is no longer a thing.

1287
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 3: What I like about this picture is that it could

1288
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 3: be from twenty years ago, or it could be from

1289
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 3: forty years ago. It's it's a timeless image.

1290
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 5: It's two thousand and one, Dodge fifteen.

1291
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 3: What's the sticker on the left? Is that a Monster

1292
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 3: Energy drink sticker?

1293
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 9: No?

1294
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: No, that's a Hunter Specialty sticker?

1295
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 3: Oh good?

1296
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 4: And on the on the right there's Thompson Center and

1297
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 4: the Hunter Safety System there. God, And if I'm repeating it,

1298
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 4: if I'm doing what you did, I'll go with I'm

1299
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 4: wearing a scent lock hat and the Antler King T shirt.

1300
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 4: Back when I was playing a lot of food plots

1301
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 4: and stuff.

1302
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: And how old were you? Uh, fourteen. Was your was

1303
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: your gosh, youngster?

1304
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1305
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: Could you?

1306
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 3: Could you zoom in on his face?

1307
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 5: I must can't quickly sometimes.

1308
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. Film. That's terrible, Seth, was your

1309
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 3: was your father an American flag and your mother a

1310
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: issue of fur Fishing Game magazine? Because you look like

1311
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: if you hasked AI to make to make the American

1312
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 3: the young American Trapper, this would be it.

1313
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: It was a Trapper and Predator color magazine.

1314
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 3: God, that's good exactly, this is good. Yeah. Yeah.

1315
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

1316
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: The first thing that caught my eye is that, uh,

1317
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: Seth has been rocking the same eyebrows his entire life

1318
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: pretty much.

1319
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that runs in the family. They've actually just been

1320
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 4: getting I noticed these days. They just get wilder with

1321
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 4: every year that passes. I'm getting like the Bryan Callahan. Yeah,

1322
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 4: eyebrows lately.

1323
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 3: I started on trimming mine. Every now and then, I'll

1324
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 3: get a white one. I'll get a long one that curls.

1325
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'll get a long one that comes down

1326
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 4: and is I can see it in my vision.

1327
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Next thing they'll poke in the eye. That happens

1328
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: to me every now and then if I don't stay

1329
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: on top of it, all right, Phil, let's see your

1330
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: photo from years ago? Sure?

1331
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, well so I I already showed. We did a

1332
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 5: throwback Thursday where Spencer asked people to bring in fishing

1333
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 5: photos and I actually had one from almost exactly twenty

1334
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 5: years ago that they already showed.

1335
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: But you didn't do that one. No, I didn't.

1336
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 5: I'm not doing that one again. So I decided to

1337
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 5: use a picture pictures from my natural habitat in high school,

1338
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 5: which was which was the band room I let in

1339
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 5: high school. There's me in the middle there. That's what

1340
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 5: my hair was for most of high school. It was

1341
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 5: very cool. I love you should bring that pretty much

1342
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 5: any extracurricular band activity I could do. It was. It

1343
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 5: was my thing. I was very cool.

1344
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: You could say, did you have a MySpace page?

1345
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course I did? You know I I You know,

1346
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 5: I spent way too much time choosing the music that

1347
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 5: would play. You know. Actually I had a zanga before

1348
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 5: my Space.

1349
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 3: Did you ever tell your parents? You'll never understand.

1350
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't that bad.

1351
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,440
Speaker 5: Probably I probably had had the thought a few.

1352
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 3: The hair is pretty intimidated.

1353
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 5: The hair is the hair is very good. I might

1354
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 5: bring it back. What do you guys think I would

1355
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 5: just to go for it. That's good.

1356
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: What would your gal say? I?

1357
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 5: Well, my my hair was about that long when I

1358
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 5: met my wife and it worked back then.

1359
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 3: Fill out, boys, that's a good And is.

1360
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: That a trombone? That is a trombone?

1361
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: Uh?

1362
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 5: It's it's a large board trombone with a little valve

1363
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 5: to that helps you play the lower notes a little

1364
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 5: bit more more easily.

1365
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 3: Were you wearing on hided skater shoes in this photto?

1366
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: Probably? Yes?

1367
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 5: Actually a yeah, no, it would It would have been

1368
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 5: like Vans or something.

1369
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 3: You're probably too young for Jenko jeans.

1370
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 5: To I never owned a pair of Janco's, but my

1371
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 5: cooler cousins had had Jenco nice.

1372
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: All right, there's that I was able to skip those,

1373
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: all right, Last, but not least. It's good, Phil, Thank you.

1374
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: This photto I believe is circa two thousand. This is

1375
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: the first bull Elk that I killed and recovered. Unfortunately,

1376
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: the year before when I was this is my first

1377
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: year that I was guiding, and I was able to

1378
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: take off the first rifle season in Colorado hunt with

1379
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: my dad and a couple other of our friends. And unfortunately,

1380
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: the year before the outfitter taken me out on the

1381
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: last day of our DIY hunt. He realized that we

1382
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: hadn't seen an elk let alone killed one, and I

1383
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,480
Speaker 1: shot one range and probably shot him in the guts.

1384
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: We looked for a day and a half, couldn't find him.

1385
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: It was found, maybe I don't know, a week later

1386
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: by another guy bear on top of the carcass. So

1387
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: Lesson learned there, when the elk is at fifty yards,

1388
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: you don't have your scope cranked up to nine. Hard

1389
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: to know where the bullet's gonna hit. Right, But great morning,

1390
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: this is opening morning, and I, uh, I wanted to

1391
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: hunt the top of this particular I call it a mountain.

1392
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: It's it's uh mountain makes it sound a little too big.

1393
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's a nice it's it's got it's a

1394
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: big ridge, you know, that has an apex to it,

1395
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: and the elk like to go out there, and a

1396
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: lot of the other folks hunting that area. It's too

1397
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: big of a climb form, so it's kind of left

1398
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: left to those that wanted to make the walk up there.

1399
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: And I'd hunted basically my way all the way up

1400
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: to the ridge to the very tippy top and hadn't

1401
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: seen nothing, and it was pound in snow, just a

1402
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: full blizzard a lot of times, you know, visibility less

1403
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: than one hundred yards, and I'm kind of once I

1404
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: turned around on the top, I kind of gave up

1405
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: and said, ah, you know, I'm just gonna have my

1406
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: rifle like slung on my shoulder. And I'm more kind

1407
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: of mosey and ding dong and back down the same

1408
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: ridge head and heading back towards camp than hunting. And

1409
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: I think because of the snow storm limited visibility, I

1410
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: stop at one point and I look and there's a

1411
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 1: bull standing there close fifty sixty yards, you know, and

1412
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: he's looking at me but just couldn't figure make me

1413
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: out or whatever, and it had enough time to take

1414
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: my Model seven hundred BdL oh rand uh huh, which

1415
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: I did a little searching on this this morning, and

1416
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten what ADL BdL CDL stands for. Can you

1417
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: answer that question?

1418
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 3: Well, the ADL is is the blind mag right, yes,

1419
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 3: And then the BdL is a floorplate.

1420
01:13:58,880 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

1421
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 3: This CDL box meg.

1422
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: I think the CDL is still hinged forlor plate. But

1423
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: there's just some other fancy you know, more satin on

1424
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: the walnut and it's just a little bit fancier. But

1425
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: what I found really funny is that the DL stands

1426
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: for Deluxe. Oh yeah, the A stands for average and yeah,

1427
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: so you go from average deluxe to better Deluxe to

1428
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: classic deluxe. So no matter what, what's seven hundred you by,

1429
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 1: you're getting a deluxe rifle, but just average, better or classic.

1430
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1431
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: My dad gave me that rifle when I was I

1432
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: don't know, fifteen, sixteen years old, and it was one

1433
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: of those deals. I wasn't expecting a rifle. I hadn't

1434
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: asked for a rifle, but he just comes up to me.

1435
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: We're actually out a Latvian like social function, and he

1436
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: just whispers in my ear, I just got your rifle.

1437
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: Well I was like, oh, that's boys. That's never happened

1438
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: to me in my life where someone just like.

1439
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 3: Am I man now Dad?

1440
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well he like it's one of those things like

1441
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: you're not expecting a present like that, but like it

1442
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: was secret, right, and it was kind of like, yeah,

1443
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: don't tell anybody because it costs money. We need to

1444
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: just like we'll just work it into the He was

1445
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: long divorced from my mother at that time. But anyways, Yeah,

1446
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: so I shot the bull Remington corlocked. Mm hmm. You

1447
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: can see where this story is gonna go. I shoot

1448
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: him once later to find out in the heart he jumps,

1449
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: I shoot him again. Another part of this story is

1450
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: when he jumps, he jumps a couple of yards whatever.

1451
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: He's standing in a new spot. I look back to

1452
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: where he was just standing. Now this is a night

1453
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: This is if you're not looking at the photo, this

1454
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: is like a very small, probably two year old four

1455
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 1: point bull. Where he was standing is probably a three

1456
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: year old five point And I'm like, d look at that,

1457
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: you know. So I've got two shots in him, and

1458
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: he's sort of like in that moment, starts taking off

1459
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: and I just take off after him, and I get

1460
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: another shot in him. I don't know where that that

1461
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: one hits. He keeps going. I run, I don't know,

1462
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: close to another one hundred yards and kind of end

1463
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: up in the timber and his downfall and he kind

1464
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: of gets caught up. I'm sure he's gonna die at

1465
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: that point, but he's not dead yet. So I put

1466
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: a fourth shot into him. He ends up having three

1467
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: in the heart and one in the lungs. Whoa, and

1468
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: uh again, maybe would have died from the first one.

1469
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: But it's just like I had already been around long

1470
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: enough to know that, Like with those elk, you just

1471
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 1: keep shooting until they're not until they're tongues hanging out.

1472
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: If you want to go through the attire, I want

1473
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: to say that was a Eldor ski resort, like just

1474
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: like a wool beanie I was wearing. I was wearing

1475
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: probably a Patagonia flee with a probably Patagonia kapeline underneath it.

1476
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: Cabella's shamois or shammy. Remember that it was like a

1477
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: soft brush cotton. Yeah. We love those pants because they

1478
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: were so quiet and for whatever reason, I thought that

1479
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: suspenders were also a hip at the time. But uh yeah,

1480
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: my first bull elk love it. Two thousand, that's cool.

1481
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: What was the rifle chamberda in thirty? At six? I

1482
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: forgot I mis mentioning that. Yeah, at six, probably was

1483
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: shooting one eighty core locks.

1484
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 3: I guess killed a lot of animals with one eighty

1485
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 3: cor locks.

1486
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, all right, now the long awaited We're only

1487
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: seventeen minutes behind, but let's do some listener feedback.

1488
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 5: Sure, A couple of shoutouts here. First is from Bryson.

1489
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 5: I'd love to get a shout out to my son

1490
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 5: who turns two today and was the only three month

1491
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 5: old when he attended the Boise Meat Eater Live show

1492
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 5: two years ago, which made him the youngest attendee. Happy Birthday,

1493
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 5: Happy birth Birthday. And we also had another shout out

1494
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 5: here too that I will find at some point. But

1495
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 5: there's a first.

1496
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 3: McCullough was going on a Havelena hunt.

1497
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: Oh yes, did you see that one somewhere?

1498
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 3: Uh live?

1499
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll find it later. Uh cranky surf. When is

1500
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 5: Randall's haircut? Will there be a raffle to determine how

1501
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 5: much is cut off?

1502
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 3: Still don't know when my haircut is. We have a

1503
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 3: listener who's a barber who's offered to cut my hair

1504
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 3: on the radio media to Radio Live Finale, Grand Finale Spectacular,

1505
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 3: but he lives in Maine, so I haven't yet been

1506
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 3: able to determine whether that will happen. As far as

1507
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 3: how much is getting cut off, pretty much just the

1508
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 3: stuff that's getting in my ears. I need to keep

1509
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 3: it long in the back because it's sweet and I

1510
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 3: need to keep it long. On top to hide the

1511
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 3: bald spot that has grown and grown in recent years.

1512
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 3: So I'm just hanging on by a thread to my youth.

1513
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: So the haircut would the haircut.

1514
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 3: If I cut it all off, it will be surrendering

1515
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 3: to father time.

1516
01:18:55,600 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 5: So mo Gore asks, Yanni, how are the little or

1517
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 5: big kiddies doing in your area?

1518
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: And Mingus and I have not been bothering them, if that?

1519
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: If that, hopefully that answers your question. As far as

1520
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: I know, the population is doing great. But yeah, we've

1521
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: just had like sort of a streak of bad luck.

1522
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: We've had tracks, a lot of tracks have gone on

1523
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: to private which we haven't been able to follow. We've

1524
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: had tracks that have just filled in with snow. We've

1525
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: had tracks that have we've lost on bear hillsides, which

1526
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: are common around these parts. Right now, we have caught

1527
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 1: a bobcat this year, which was quite the accomplishment for Mingus.

1528
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: He caught his first bobcat. But the big ones, I've

1529
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: not seen one in a tree yet. This year I

1530
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: will be going out, I believe Friday or Saturday and

1531
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: keep after it great.

1532
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 5: Will there be more Meat Eater Kids episodes coming soon?

1533
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 5: This is from Chad, Chad, we are they're not going

1534
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 5: to be in the same format that we did the

1535
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 5: first three seasons, and so we're currently cooking up some

1536
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 5: new kids content. How's that for alliteration? And but it's

1537
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 5: probably still a few few months down the road. But

1538
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 5: keep your eyes peeled and keep him on that on

1539
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 5: that podcast feed. There's a question for Seth. Seth, how

1540
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 5: much experience do you have with with drones for photography?

1541
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 5: Do you have any?

1542
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 4: Non?

1543
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 5: Okay, then I will not ask you. This guy who

1544
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 5: was looking for.

1545
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: Above you.

1546
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Oh it's from Leland, Leland, Arizona Youth Havelena

1547
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 5: opens for my daughter. Could I get a good luck

1548
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 5: to McCollough on her first have Alena hunt?

1549
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: Good luck McCullough.

1550
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 3: Good luck McCullough.

1551
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: That's right. Just remember what we learned earlier. It was

1552
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: what was it breathing position, trigger, pull and follow through

1553
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: four things.

1554
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 3: Knowing Leland, I'm sure she's already got plenty of practice.

1555
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine.

1556
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 5: So here's here's a Seth one pa and fishing related.

1557
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 5: It's just Steven. He's looking for some some basic gear,

1558
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 5: some beginner gear to get into ice fishing. If you

1559
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 5: had sort of like a quick kit.

1560
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would start with an auger, doesn't have to

1561
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 4: be anything fancy. You get one of those hand augers.

1562
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 4: They work pretty good as long as the blades are sharp.

1563
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 4: Basic ice pole, which is just a short fishing pole

1564
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 4: with a you can honestly just use. If you have

1565
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 4: a spin reel, you don't have to buy a new reel.

1566
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 4: You can just throw that on an ice pole.

1567
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: And then from.

1568
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 5: There as far as safety wise, Pennsylvania doesn't.

1569
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: Always have great ice.

1570
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 4: They do this year, but I would get a spud

1571
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 4: bar and those those ice picks that you put around

1572
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 4: your neck, so if you you kind.

1573
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,959
Speaker 1: Of wear them around your neck like a necklace.

1574
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 4: If you go through the ice, you can grab those

1575
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 4: things and use them to pull yourself back up on

1576
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 4: the ice. That's good to have, especially for beginners that

1577
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 4: don't have a lot of experience on ice. And then

1578
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 4: from I mean that's basically it to stock art. You

1579
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 4: can go super deep on it with electronics and you know,

1580
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 4: having a sled to haul your stuff out there is nice,

1581
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 4: but say fella can't do the electronics part. That's kind

1582
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 4: of where I'm at.

1583
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I have all the other gear but

1584
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: I feel like without electronics, like, how am I ever

1585
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 1: going to find the fish? So how do you find

1586
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: the fish with no electronics?

1587
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:28,520
Speaker 4: Well, back when, back when I used to fish with

1588
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 4: without electronics, we were just just trying to find like

1589
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 4: points that go out into the lake or whatever you're

1590
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 4: on to like read a map. Yeah, Basically, if you

1591
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 4: have access to a map, that's helpful because you can

1592
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 4: just you know, look at the map. But if you

1593
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 4: don't have access to like underwater map or whatever, I

1594
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 4: just try to find like points that are coming out

1595
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 4: into the water, or you know, if if you're if

1596
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 4: you can see the bank and there's like it's like

1597
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 4: a sandy bank that transitions to a different type of

1598
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 4: like rip rap or something like finding transitions like that

1599
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 4: or you know, it's it's totally doable.

1600
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: I used to do it all the time. Is it

1601
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: bad form? Because I was gonna say, well, you'd pull

1602
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 1: up and see where all the other shanties are people

1603
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: are fishing, yeah, and then go near there or start

1604
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: asking them questions like is that bad form? Just to

1605
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: roll in and be like, hey man, let me take

1606
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: a look at your Yeah, I'm new to this, Like

1607
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 1: would it be Okay, to drill a whole ten yards

1608
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: away from here? Is that a good spot? I think

1609
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: most people would be open to that totally. Yeah, And

1610
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go that close, I would definitely talk

1611
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: to someone. But you can definitely find the general area

1612
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: where people.

1613
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 4: You know or fishing, or if you go like early

1614
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 4: in the morning, wherever you can find last or yesterday's

1615
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 4: holes basically and try those spots too. So yeah, good luck.

1616
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 3: What else do you got, Phil?

1617
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 5: Ye're honest, this is from Judah. Do you have any

1618
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 5: tips on trying to stay injury free or for trying

1619
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 5: to stay injury free over years of running?

1620
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: Hmm, Yeah, I've been lucky. I think I've I have

1621
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: been able to stay injury free. I mean, I've had

1622
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: a bad ankle sprain once. I'm dealing with a little

1623
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 1: bit of like a carlage issue, and it's just I

1624
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: think that's no matter if you're running or just living,

1625
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna have those issues in your knees. But I

1626
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: don't know, I think doing it that was I recently

1627
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: had to go through this knee kind of a process

1628
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 1: of figuring out what was going on in there. My

1629
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: last appointment was with an orthopedic surgeon. And she said,

1630
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: the worst thing you can do is stop doing what

1631
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: you're doing. I said, you even mean like runne hundred miles?

1632
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: She goes, yes, do it. It is good for you.

1633
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: Do not stop. It's gonna get worse if you stop.

1634
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: So don't stop running. Bow hunting at full draw.

1635
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 5: Asks of who all of you guys are going to

1636
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 5: be at NWTFO.

1637
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well guess you two are not. Nope, I

1638
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: am full draw.

1639
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 3: I wish I'll be at the Hunt Expo that weekend.

1640
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you're gonna be at NWTF, a good

1641
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: place to run into us is going to be the

1642
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: Grand Slam after party. The Meat Eater is hosting, uh

1643
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's a big fundraiser. They're gonna have a

1644
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: bunch of cool hunts and uh guns, shotguns, rifles to

1645
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: auction off, and we're gonna tell some turkey stories. We're

1646
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: going to try to get all of you to buy

1647
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: as many raffle tickets for these items as possible. We're

1648
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: going to have an owl hooting contest. The clay is

1649
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 1: going to mc so if you're a good owl hooter

1650
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: and in your NWTF. Now this is voice voice only

1651
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 1: and then we're also going to play some trivia. So yeah,

1652
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: it's the Grand Slam after party. Uh be a great

1653
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: place to bump into us. Or on Saturday, most of

1654
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: us will be at the booth, the First Light Booth

1655
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: all day and you can see us there.

1656
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 3: And if you want to find me at the Hunt Expo,

1657
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 3: I'll be slumming in the beer line with everybody else.

1658
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,959
Speaker 4: I'll make mention that the Great American Outdoor Show in Harrisburg,

1659
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 4: Pennsylvania's kicking off and the Family Boot Shop will have

1660
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 4: a booth there Center Boot Company.

1661
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: Look them up.

1662
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 5: They'll have some first Light gear there and I think

1663
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 5: some meteor stuff too.

1664
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 3: Brent Reeves is at the at that show, I believe.

1665
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 3: Oh really, I think he's doing some with case.

1666
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: Oh.

1667
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 3: We'll look him up to He's a nice guy. Go

1668
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 3: talk to.

1669
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: Him, extremely nice.

1670
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 3: Have him tell you a bedtime story.

1671
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 5: Ian asks, do you guys have more episodes of Roasts

1672
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 5: on the Way?

1673
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: Yes, Ian, we do have more episodes of Roast on

1674
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: the Way There they were. They were hounding me yesterday

1675
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: to put my notes in on an episode which I

1676
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: believe they want to release here in the next week

1677
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: or so. So don't fret and then behind that one,

1678
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: there are many more coming. We've been hard at it.

1679
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: We have been cooking, roasting our tails off here recently.

1680
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: So Phil and I judged an episode together.

1681
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:07,759
Speaker 5: We did I think we did.

1682
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: Pretty ch I haven't seen on the cut of that

1683
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 1: one yet, but I'm expecting great things.

1684
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 3: I think it's going to take a lot of word

1685
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 3: to cut that one.

1686
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1687
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 5: I think I gave the editor specific instructions on camera

1688
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 5: things to do, So whoever's cutting that, I apologize.

1689
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: Let's see what will.

1690
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 5: You guys be doing on Thursdays at eleven am after

1691
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 5: March fifth.

1692
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 4: That's from moor uh answering emails.

1693
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah that. If I'm in the office, it'll be something, Yeah,

1694
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: Moor working on a book, editing, video, editing, photoph But.

1695
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 3: To be honest, when I look at my calendar after

1696
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 3: March fifth, it's nothing. Nothing there. My world is ending

1697
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 3: on March fifth.

1698
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 1: Hey, Spencer, Spencer, if you're still out there, has he

1699
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 1: commented Phil.

1700
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 5: Spencer Newhart has not been in the chat. I shamed

1701
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 5: him for being too active in the chat one week,

1702
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 5: and I think he.

1703
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: If he is out there listening, I would like him

1704
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 1: to give us a rating. Between zero and ten on

1705
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: how well we did on this episode.

1706
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 5: No, this is a nine to five. At least it's

1707
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 5: up there. This is one of the better ones. Another

1708
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 5: mogor one. He's We've got some good questions this week.

1709
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 5: This is this is for Randall. It's a specific one.

1710
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 5: You are the weapons expert, Randall. Have you heard of

1711
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 5: the Walter Walder RS three straight pull bullpup hunting rifle family,

1712
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 5: the one with the integrated suppressor? And is that monocock?

1713
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 3: I would imagine that's a one piece receiver.

1714
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 5: Yes. Then he had more to say, but that was

1715
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 5: basically it.

1716
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I saw that it was recently released. I'm really

1717
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 3: intrigued by bullpup rifles. Uh, there was a there's a

1718
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 3: company called Defensive Edge out of Idaho that makes something

1719
01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 3: called the long Range Killing Machine and it has a

1720
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 3: thirty inch barrel, but because of the bullpup arrangement, the

1721
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 3: overall length is much shorter. So it's designed basically to

1722
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 3: ride it up to the top of the mountain on

1723
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 3: your back on a dirt bike. But bullpups offer the

1724
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 3: advantage of having a longer barrel length compared to the

1725
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 3: overall length of the rifle. Walther. I've never owned a Walther,

1726
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 3: but interestingly against it, I think they made a like

1727
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 3: a police sniper rifle, like a marksman rifle that was

1728
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 3: a semi auto bullpup, so they have a bullpup legacy.

1729
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 3: I'm also really intrigued by guys on forums that are

1730
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 3: making their own bullpups with like homemade trigger linkages and

1731
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 3: weird stocks, and it intrigues me and scares me at

1732
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 3: the same time.

1733
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: So you kind of had to explain it because I'm

1734
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 1: looking at pictures and there's like, it looks like a

1735
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 1: thousand variations of what a bullpup might be, So, like,

1736
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 1: is there a definition of what a bullpup is?

1737
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 3: A bullpup is essentially the the the action is further

1738
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 3: back in the stock. Then the trigger is ahead of

1739
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 3: the action.

1740
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 4: So the action is almost like where you're yeah, you're

1741
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 4: almost resting your cheek the action.

1742
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 3: So instead of the instead of the action being in

1743
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 3: front of the grip uh like the wrist of the stock,

1744
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 3: the action is back further so that you know you

1745
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 3: can have you can have this much barrel, but it

1746
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 3: starts back here instead of starting out here.

1747
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 1: Okay, and obviously I guess I guess it's sort of

1748
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 1: the well, if it's the issue, but you got to

1749
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: figure out how to connect the trigger to the to

1750
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: the action.

1751
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, there's like some you know, there's a

1752
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 3: lot of like factory bullpup options, but you can also

1753
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 3: find people sort of there's some companies that make like

1754
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 3: a bullpup style chassis for Remington seven hundred and you

1755
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 3: have it basically a trigger linkage. But uh, in the

1756
01:30:55,600 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 3: age of suppressors, you know, overall length is is a

1757
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 3: very important consideration. So yeah, when I think about big

1758
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 3: Magnum cartridge, I want to get a big long barrel

1759
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 3: on there. A bullpup would be mighty nice. That's weird

1760
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 3: enough interesting. That was a weird enough tangent for me.

1761
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 1: Anything else.

1762
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 3: L r k M though, if you want to, if

1763
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 3: you want to have your hair stand up, look up

1764
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 3: an l r KM and the prices they fetch on

1765
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 3: the used market.

1766
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 5: Leland's asking your opinions on wild game tartar or tiger

1767
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,679
Speaker 5: meat or cannibal meat or or whatever all the terms

1768
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 5: are for it. Do you guys that's something you guys

1769
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 5: consume or prep prepare often?

1770
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh really, I think a burger is just better

1771
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 4: we if you cook it.

1772
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 3: We like eating. We like eating like beef tartar. Like

1773
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 3: if we go to a restaurant that has some sort

1774
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,640
Speaker 3: of raw beef preparation, that's typically what we'll get as

1775
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,600
Speaker 3: a starter. And so yeah, we when we get like

1776
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 3: a fresh animal home and then we have some backstraps,

1777
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 3: we'll do some tartar.

1778
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoy it. I just often don't remember to

1779
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: make it, and and I should do it more often

1780
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: because it is delicious, But yeah, I just yeah, for

1781
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I don't know. My family's probably only eating

1782
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 1: it a couple of times.

1783
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 5: Nate Pow looking for recommendations on a pistol chest pack

1784
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 5: and chest holder. I'm gonna needs a proper safety. You

1785
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 5: guys have any any recommendations.

1786
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 3: As far as how to carry it? I think so

1787
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 3: I go back and forth on the chest.

1788
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 5: I think he's he's looking for specific items like from

1789
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 5: FAHF or something you guys could hut with.

1790
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 3: F AHEF doesn't make I mean they use a it's

1791
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 3: a it's a Rasco holster that's attached to the the

1792
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 3: bino pack, right it was.

1793
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, they make a system that attaches to the bottom

1794
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 4: of a bino harness or chest rig.

1795
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a company called gun Fighters, Inc. That makes

1796
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 3: a chest rig that you would wear under They also

1797
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 3: make one that you would mount to your bino pack,

1798
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 3: but they make one that you wear you would wear

1799
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 3: under your bino pack because it's just sort of free

1800
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 3: like it's it's literally just meant to be worn on

1801
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 3: its own with nothing else rig to it. And I

1802
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 3: like that quite a bit because you can take your

1803
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 3: binos off, like if you're if you're butchering an animal

1804
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 3: and you can just have that gun on your chest

1805
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 3: when your hands are all bloody and you don't want

1806
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,639
Speaker 3: something hanging off like the big bino rig hanging off.

1807
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 3: But I also go back and forth between like a

1808
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 3: belt holster. Sometimes I'll put a belt holster on my

1809
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 3: hip belt on my pack, but then you end up

1810
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 3: carrying two holsters because you also want one that you

1811
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 3: could wear if you drop your pack. So it all

1812
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 3: comes down to individual, individual preference, I think. But there's

1813
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 3: a lot of options out there.

1814
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: Well, Paul, I think trying to solve for some of

1815
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,600
Speaker 1: this now instead of like he doesn't really offer a

1816
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 1: holster anymore. It's basically the holster.

1817
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 3: Hangar it's like the blade. It's a blade tech.

1818
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a quick detach system so that you

1819
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: could have one holster but then have this attachment that

1820
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 1: could be under your binyl harness. You could have another

1821
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: one on your hip belt of your pack, and then

1822
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 1: you can just move it around. I personally find it

1823
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,759
Speaker 1: to be too much when it's all on my chest,

1824
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: and so I like to go to the hip. But yes,

1825
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:37,719
Speaker 1: every time I drop my pack. Yeah, I also started

1826
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: wearing weapons.

1827
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 3: I started wearing like a short thigh drop like a

1828
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 3: drop panel, and I thought, I've like seen people sit

1829
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 3: back and forth say, oh, you don't want to wear

1830
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 3: that when you're hiking. You don't like it's it's too cumbersome.

1831
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 3: But I don't really notice it. And then I have

1832
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 3: that gun on my hip at all times. Take my

1833
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 3: pack off, take my biny harness off. It's one less

1834
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 3: thing when you want to shed a layer to mess with, right, And.

1835
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, send me the link to that whatever you're using.

1836
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I run this thing that it's it's just

1837
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 4: a clip so like I can open it up, put

1838
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 4: it on my pack, and then if I want to

1839
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 4: drop my pack, I just pop it off my pack

1840
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:22,560
Speaker 4: and put it on clip it onto my belt works pretty.

1841
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 1: Good, Phil, anything that has to be answered yet? Or

1842
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: can we say there's this one for me? It's okay,

1843
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 1: Well I have to be the last one.

1844
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 3: It's good.

1845
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 5: I mentioned this like low five pixel art fishing game

1846
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 5: that came out recently called Cast and Chill Cast and Chill,

1847
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,640
Speaker 5: and Coole is asking if I've played it yet. I

1848
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 5: have it downloaded on my switch to, and I've been

1849
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 5: holding off because I thought I might stream it the

1850
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 5: first time I played it, which I still might do,

1851
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 5: but I haven't played it yet.

1852
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 3: I didn't realize you got a switch to. Oh yeah,

1853
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 3: I just got my first switch Yes.

1854
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:57,799
Speaker 5: And that's the thing is if maybe if I stream

1855
01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 5: after we play some Cast and Chill, I'll play some

1856
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 5: Breath with the Wild. Because Randall be getting a switch

1857
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 5: and playing Zelda had me restart a playthrough of Breath.

1858
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 3: Of the Yea. I got some sort of rising deal

1859
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 3: where I got a free switch. So I'm getting back

1860
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 3: into video games. Never too late to start something new.

1861
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 5: Couldn't agree more, Randall, let's call it kids, go outside.

1862
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 5: This might have been our longest I think this is

1863
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 5: our longest episode forget it. Forget video games, go outside,

1864
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 5: you know, find a healthy balance.

1865
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 3: And that six minutes. That's a hell of a warm

1866
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 3: up for the grand finale spectacular.

1867
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 5: That's right.

1868
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 1: I hope you guys all enjoyed it. Look like they

1869
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 1: most of them stuck around for the entirety of it.

1870
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: Thank you all for watching and listening, and uh, we'll

1871
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: see you again next week, same time, Meat Eater Radio Live,

1872
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 1: same place, Deuces Later,