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Speaker 4: I'm the dumbest best player you've ever played with, literally verbatim,

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Speaker 4: you know, because she gave her a game plan and

437
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Speaker 4: she could, you know, execute, it's so beautiful, but she

438
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Speaker 4: wasn't run. Yeah, it was a bit harder for her

439
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Speaker 4: to work out what to do. But I didn't have

440
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Speaker 4: the strokes of Mary piss but I actually had a

441
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Speaker 4: decent mind for tennis. So you took away of strength

442
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Speaker 4: for me by bringing a coach down to be able

443
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Speaker 4: to tell a player. So originally that's why I didn't

444
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Speaker 4: like it. Now, working in TV, we love it because

445
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Speaker 4: we can hear. So I think now it's time to

446
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Speaker 4: just throw the spanner and the works and let's have

447
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Speaker 4: on court coaching at all times.

448
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Speaker 3: You know what. The reason I brought that up to

449
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Speaker 3: kind of tie together what we were just talking about

450
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Speaker 3: with five satters back to sort of the conversation we

451
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Speaker 3: were having before about academies in the UXCA, which is

452
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Speaker 3: you know, you are a very unique person in the

453
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Speaker 3: sense that you have I wouldn't say equal accomplishments. I

454
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Speaker 3: mean your your accomplishments on the tennis quart are pretty profound,

455
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Speaker 3: but you have had a ton of experience in the

456
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Speaker 3: coaching and sort of administrative side, certainly the broadcasting and

457
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Speaker 3: journalistic side, and also the player and so from that perspective,

458
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Speaker 3: and your parent of children who play tennis, so girls too,

459
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Speaker 3: which is really not it's not an insignificant fact because

460
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Speaker 3: they're the ones who most often bump up against the

461
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Speaker 3: sort of I would say worst parts of our sport,

462
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Speaker 3: which shows some of these traditions that are a little

463
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Speaker 3: hide bound.

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Speaker 2: So I'm curious to see.

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Speaker 3: You know, we can talk about it in a number

466
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Speaker 3: of different ways. Maybe it's five sads, but it's coaching.

467
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's you know, the way tournaments sort of reward

468
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Speaker 3: Grand Slam points as opposed to emphasizing the day in,

469
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Speaker 3: day out of the tour. But how much does tradition

470
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Speaker 3: sort of generally hurt tennis as opposed to help.

471
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Speaker 1: But do you think I think it hurts it in

472
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Speaker 1: getting Some of these things change quickly I think things

473
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Speaker 1: take time for any changes to happen. I do think that.

474
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Speaker 1: I mean, part of the beauty of Wimbledon is the

475
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Speaker 1: tradition of the event and the you know, the walking

476
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Speaker 1: out on the court and all those things that make

477
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Speaker 1: it unique and make it special. And so certainly there's

478
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Speaker 1: an argument that well, best of five is unique to

479
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Speaker 1: the majors. You know, Well it didn't know. It wasn't

480
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Speaker 1: always unique to the majors. There used to be plenty

481
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Speaker 1: of tour events that they played best of five and finals.

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Speaker 3: You know.

483
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Speaker 1: In Bosl, Switzerland, I played the final against Wayne Ferreira,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, and we played best if I. By the way,

485
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Speaker 1: Roger Feeder was my ball boy. Yeah, and one time

486
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Speaker 1: I was interviewing him after he won Cincinnati and I

487
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Speaker 1: was doing I was doing the court side for CBS

488
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Speaker 1: at the time, and so I went to talk to him.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Uh, the match took like forty nine minutes the final,

491
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Speaker 1: so I said, Rogers, and we got a little time

492
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Speaker 1: to kill, you know, once we come back from commercials.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I might probably ask you a few

494
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Speaker 1: more questions, no problem, because he goes, oh, you know,

495
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Speaker 1: I ball boyd for you. No, he literally says to me,

496
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Speaker 1: we're sitting in there after he's just won the title.

497
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Speaker 1: Yeah the first time you yeah, like the first time,

498
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Speaker 1: like you know, I knew him, but it was like

499
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Speaker 1: we were just kind of sitting there shooting the breeze

500
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Speaker 1: for you know, shooting for ninety seconds. And he says,

501
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Speaker 1: you know, I ballboyd for you. I said no, because yeah,

502
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Speaker 1: you were at Basil because he was that's where he

503
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Speaker 1: was from. Yeah, And I said, oh, are you're rooting

504
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Speaker 1: for me in the final? He goes, no, I wasn't

505
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Speaker 1: because Wayne Ferrara was South Africa. Africa. Yeah, but there's

506
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Speaker 1: actually somebody when somebody actually sent me years ago, there's

507
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Speaker 1: actually a shot picture a picture of him of me

508
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Speaker 1: like walking to the changeover something or serve, and he's

509
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Speaker 1: he's actually running across picking up the ball. I'm like,

510
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Speaker 1: I got to this. I need to still shot. I

511
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Speaker 1: need that. Always a question again, tradition, Yeah, so I

512
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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of I mean, traditions are good things.

513
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Speaker 1: I do, like shaking things. As I said, I mean,

514
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Speaker 1: to me, best of five sets and coaching are just

515
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Speaker 1: because because because that's the way it's always been. That

516
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's right.

517
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Speaker 4: Do you also think that. I mean, I don't know

518
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Speaker 4: if this would happen, but if if you made it

519
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Speaker 4: best of three in slams, maybe you have the finally

520
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Speaker 4: best of five, or.

521
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Speaker 1: Maybe the quarters on or something, you could do.

522
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Speaker 4: Something like that. But I also think that men, I

523
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Speaker 4: think we might see a few more of them playing

524
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Speaker 4: doubles if that was the case.

525
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Speaker 1: I disagree with that. I don't think they would. I

526
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Speaker 1: think it would be nice used to think that they would,

527
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Speaker 1: but I think there's too much on the line at

528
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Speaker 1: the majors for them to do that. And it's not

529
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Speaker 1: even physically, it's just just too much. It's scheduling. Yea,

530
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Speaker 1: they're not gonna want to their day off, you know,

531
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Speaker 1: the between the semis and the finals. They're gonna want

532
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Speaker 1: to have their routine. Maybe they had a tough three setter,

533
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Speaker 1: they could have a tough three set match. It's like

534
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Speaker 1: an you know, not as tough a four set match.

535
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Speaker 1: So I don't think that would happen. But I don't

536
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Speaker 1: think that's the reason why it should be considered to

537
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Speaker 1: go to best two at of three.

538
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Speaker 4: I just think that mine is entertainment time.

539
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Speaker 1: I mean entertainment time yeah, exactly, you and I and

540
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Speaker 1: we sit.

541
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Speaker 4: There in the green room sometimes at Wimbledon, waiting to

542
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Speaker 4: go and do some work, and you know, it's like,

543
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Speaker 4: oh my god. Sometimes we sit there and I'm like,

544
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Speaker 4: I cannot believe this match is still going or it's

545
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Speaker 4: like and my biggest problem with it is and I'm

546
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Speaker 4: gonna get so much. I get so much. So many

547
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Speaker 4: people who are so polarized by this. But I've seen

548
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Speaker 4: top players tank sets. I saw I won't mention the name,

549
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 4: but I know in a final of a Grand Slam

550
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Speaker 4: at the French Open, I saw a player tank the

551
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 4: fourth set because he got down a break and he

552
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 4: just didn't even try. He didn't try to win back

553
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Speaker 4: the fourth set and just to get it into the

554
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Speaker 4: fifth set. And for me, that's not what tennis should

555
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 4: be about. It should be every single point should matter.

556
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Speaker 4: It certainly wasn't rougher because we know that even if

557
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Speaker 4: it was down five love, he'd still be trying. But

558
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Speaker 4: I've seen players tanks since.

559
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Speaker 1: Yes, either way, that's not true. He would he would

560
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Speaker 1: throw it if you were I've seen him. I've seen

561
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Speaker 1: the doll give points away. But I mean, that's my

562
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Speaker 1: I have a I don't think that has anything to

563
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Speaker 1: me that doesn't have That's not a good enough argument

564
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Speaker 1: for getting rid of best of five, because if I

565
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Speaker 1: win the first set six to one and I'm down

566
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Speaker 1: you know, four oh thirty eleve, I might tank a

567
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Speaker 1: couple of points to save, you know, for the third set.

568
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Speaker 1: So I don't to me, I don't know if it

569
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Speaker 1: was best to three, you would never do that, because

570
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Speaker 1: you might I might do that if I were down

571
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Speaker 1: five zero, well five. I mean, I know what you're saying.

572
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I think it's to me what you said, the entertainment

574
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Speaker 1: value is more important. The entertainment meaning it's you know,

575
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Speaker 1: a lot of times you're watching, you know, and just

576
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: Djokovic at the US Open, you know it's six one

577
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Speaker 1: six one three h yeah, and it's just like when

578
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: is this?

579
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

580
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: I mean, how is this good for anybody? Where you

581
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: could bring it? But the problem with tennis is that,

582
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Speaker 1: you know, we're so sad and like we've got two

583
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Speaker 1: matches at night. We had a men's and a women's. Oh,

584
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Speaker 1: we gotta have the women first this time, or else

585
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Speaker 1: it's unfair. Oh, we gotta have the men's second. Whatever,

586
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Speaker 1: it's too it's not fair for the men.

587
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Speaker 3: You know.

588
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Speaker 1: Then during the day we need three matches on center court.

589
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Speaker 1: So I think you have to look at like the

590
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Speaker 1: whole way the scheduling is is put out there because

591
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Speaker 1: now in the second week of Majors, there's not that

592
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Speaker 1: much product for the fans, right, Okay, so that's part

593
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Speaker 1: of it. The first week, it's you know, there's so

594
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Speaker 1: many matches, so two out of three no problem. In

595
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Speaker 1: the second week, you know, if we have a two

596
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Speaker 1: out of three set match and it's one night match

597
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Speaker 1: and people are paying five hundred and twenty five dollars

598
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Speaker 1: for their seat and it's you know six two six one, yeah,

599
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Speaker 1: you know, so it's like you the whole nature.

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Speaker 2: Of the maybe they would watch the doubles.

601
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Speaker 1: Probably not the will probably not watch doubles.

602
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: Distinct anti doubles.

603
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: Accomplished doubles, well, yeah, I was much better in doubles,

604
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: but people don't care about doubles.

605
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think they could.

606
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Speaker 4: I mean, we saw the final of the mixed doubles

607
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 4: at the un.

608
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Speaker 1: Not really, I mean I think they could if it

609
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: was williams Is and you know Fetter, you know, like

610
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: in the Labor Cup. We did that yeah because it's Yeah,

611
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: because it's quick and it's the best players play. So

612
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: now if the stubbs these argument argument that gets let's

613
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Speaker 1: get the singles players to play more doubles in the majors,

614
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: there's only one way that's going to happen. Well, there's

615
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: two ways, money and points. Yeah, period, end of story.

616
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: That's the only way. I mean, you're playing for three

617
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: three and a half million dollars in singles and you're

618
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: playing for you know, two point fifty for the double,

619
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Speaker 1: which is good care whatever it is, it's good, but

620
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Speaker 1: it doesn't compare to what the men's is and how

621
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Speaker 1: many people are paying to go see the doubles final.

622
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: That's the other.

623
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Speaker 2: Problem that argument.

624
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 3: I feel like it's sort of a circular issue where

625
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: it's like, well, you know, the men saw more tickets

626
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: own the women. You're like, well, not always, and also

627
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 3: the combined events do better, but more like if you

628
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: market and you promote, and also keeping in mind people.

629
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Speaker 1: That's totals no market and promote. We've been talking about

630
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: that for fifty years.

631
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Speaker 2: And I think more people play doubles, more people want

632
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: to watch.

633
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: Nobody plays nobody plays football. He plays Who plays the

634
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: NFL football?

635
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: No longer anybody letting their kids?

636
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: Okay, but who watches NFL football? Everybody? Well, so the

637
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: idea that people play doubles it means they want to

638
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: watch doubles is and I like you a lot. He

639
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: seems like a very nice person. It's the most asine

640
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: argument of all time. That's why we like you. Yeah,

641
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: it just makes absolutely no sense.

642
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because I love to see it marketed

643
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: and promoted, and to see I mean you you may.

644
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: Brian Brothers are marketed and promoted. I mean, they're great

645
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: for doubles people, but people still don't watch them on TV. Yeah,

646
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're playing the doll and Fetter, people

647
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: might watch the Goky.

648
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 4: I do you think? I do think it does come

649
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: down to just visibility though, you know, I mean it

650
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 4: really does.

651
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: So if you put if you put mahoot and airs

652
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: her bear, who's who's her? That people that people care

653
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Speaker 1: if they're on TV more nobody cares. I think if

654
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Speaker 1: you put give me some of the doubles, the women

655
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Speaker 1: women's doubles teams, give me some of the top.

656
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Speaker 4: That's part of the problem because.

657
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: If you're marketing. Okay, so she's a nice person matter,

658
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: so if we if we market her like people are

659
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Speaker 1: gonna care.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not talking about marketing the doubles players.

661
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: I'm talking about marketing doubles as a vibe.

662
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Speaker 1: Just you're so wrong. You're wasting time, wasting you need

663
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: to think of other things. Coaching, scheduling. Two out of three.

664
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Speaker 1: I like that discussion.

665
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: Labor Cup.

666
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: I mean they're great about Cup is longer any any team,

667
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: any team event. You can get the interests like we

668
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: got in Labor Cup and and in in Davis Cup.

669
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: You know where the people come together is awesome. I

670
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: love the Hopman Cup and to me that was one

671
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: of the great things this year.

672
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: But what were they watching?

673
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: What about watching watching Federating and Serena.

674
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're watching doubles.

675
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: But they were watching it.

676
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: Sure, but I think those both can veteran.

677
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: Serena, that's what they're watching. Yeah, they're not watching who

678
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: did Benchic and Tiafa? We love both of them. There's great,

679
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: great young talents, but nobody's watching.

680
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 4: Well, you've got the two greatest players of all time

681
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: on the court together. We've never had that playing again.

682
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: But I do think.

683
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Speaker 3: My mother in law called me, who doesn't know if

684
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: the look about tennis? She said, is Roger Feeder playing

685
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: against Serena Williams. And I was like, it's a little

686
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: more complicated than what you just said, but in essence.

687
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: Yet right, that's what's happened.

688
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 4: What do you think of Billy Jean's idea, because we

689
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: spoke to Billy and Billy said that college tennis should

690
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 4: be like a team tennis format and have them all

691
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: on one court and have them going at it rather

692
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 4: than her biggest problem is, you've got eight courts going on,

693
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: how are you going to be focused.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not opposed to that at all. I

695
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: think it's like it would be.

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Speaker 4: The third biggest sport in college if we did that. Well.

697
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: I love her optimism, but I don't think that's a

698
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: crazy ideas. Yeah, I know some of them are coming around.

699
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: People are finally coming around to so I think tennis.

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00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: One of the great things about tennis is that men

701
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Speaker 1: and women can play together, yeah, you know, and can

702
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 1: compete in an equal playing field. So there's no other

703
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: sport that really has that. I mean golf, okay, but

704
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: but tennis sort though, Patrick game. It's really hard game. Yes, incredibly,

705
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't.

706
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: Know, difficult, but I'm glad.

707
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: At least arguing.

708
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: Something thirty one minutes and we agree.

709
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Speaker 4: All my golfing friends that are like, you know, it's

710
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: not a sport until they're running into John Daily is

711
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: playing golf. It's a game.

712
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: Okay, it's just but no, you got to be pretty

713
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: pretty darn towns.

714
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: It's a bloody no.

715
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: You've got to be herded darts too. But I'm just

716
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: saying it's not a sport. It's a game, thank you.

717
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: College tennis is awesome. It's been through a lot of changes,

718
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: it continues to go through them. So I would look

719
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: at that, well, let me it's a fun idea.

720
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you maybe a less controversial question than

721
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: us are now profound rift over double Well, I think

722
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: we'll get through it in a relationship.

723
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: I think we'll be fine.

724
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Speaker 3: But we'll talk about college tennis just for a little bit.

725
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: Stanford Cardinal, Missouri Tiger what uh nothing for reason?

726
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Too good?

727
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: Too good?

728
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: God, Yeah, just.

729
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: Straight to the pros.

730
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: You're talking about how many many players are not American.

731
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: These are scholarships being awarded to kids. I too had

732
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: a team that was ninety percent not American born. I mean,

733
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: in some ways it was great. I have a friend

734
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: Bulgaria now and I've visited, you know. On the other hand,

735
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: you know, it does sort of speak to getting American interests,

736
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: getting sort of you know, where do you net out

737
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: on that?

738
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Speaker 4: What has changed?

739
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this one's tough. I think that the American way,

740
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: in the American spirit, is to allow people from all

741
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: backgrounds and countries right into this country, despite some of

742
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: the current political environment we're in, but.

743
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: In generally changing.

744
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, in general, that's sort of been the American way.

745
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: So if you're going to say, you know, we need

746
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Speaker 1: to put a put a cap on the amount of

747
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: the number of scholarships per team, I think that would

748
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: be probably a reasonable you know, bargaining tool, I mean,

749
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: a reasonable way to go because I do think that

750
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: having you know, an entire lineup of foreign players is

751
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, as an American it's hard to see. At

752
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, you might have the orchestra

753
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: band of you know, the violinists or might all be foreign. Yeah,

754
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, in a college orchestra or something, or a

755
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Speaker 1: ballet you know, ballet.

756
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Speaker 2: School less scholarships at SICK But yes.

757
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that there's some merit to to

758
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Speaker 1: looking at. Obviously, when I was at the USCA, I mean,

759
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: it just got pounded. I was going to say, well,

760
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: there's nothing the USDA can do about it, I mean

761
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: other than put some pressure excuse me on the on

762
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: the NCAA A. But the NCAA is running a multi

763
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: billion dollar company. They could just cap it, maybe have

764
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Speaker 1: uh you know, you know, maybe three three per team

765
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: something like that, or at least.

766
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Speaker 4: You have the quotera is three Americans on your team,

767
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?

768
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Speaker 2: Or quota Yeah, I mean, because it does, it does.

769
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Speaker 3: We had a piece on it in the magazine, a

770
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Speaker 3: couple of a neutral but I mean just sort of

771
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: kind of talk through, you know, some of the some

772
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Speaker 3: of the intricacies of having this conversation. But I remember

773
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 3: it very well, thinking to myself, well, if I had

774
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Speaker 3: not had any you know, as a kid growing up

775
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: mostly in America, you know, maybe I would have gotten

776
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Speaker 3: to a better school.

777
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: But I shouldn't have.

778
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: Do we know if other college sports have that, Do

779
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: they have quotas? Because I know that I've seen the

780
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: numbers those other tennis is I think at the moment

781
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: one of the highest percentage of foreign players going to

782
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Speaker 1: set On.

783
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Speaker 3: I don't see a lot of baseball teams, football.

784
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: Team basketball, you know, but imagine for a second if

785
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 1: you could that you know, seventy percent of the Duke

786
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: and North Carolina basketball teams were farm Imagine that just

787
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: so you know, like if it were soccer for example,

788
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, and and Europe didn't have a professional system

789
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: the way they have, so you're basically a professional soccer player,

790
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: you know at twelve, yeah, or thirteen you go to

791
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: one of the clubs.

792
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: Would still be the product it is?

793
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the thing. I mean, I think it.

794
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: I think it. I think it still would be popular

795
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: because you know, the NBA is getting more and more

796
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: foreign players. But I think that because you can still

797
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: kind of go to the team part of it. You

798
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: can still say, you know, I'm still going to root

799
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: for Stanford, even if they've got a couple of foreign

800
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 1: players on your team. I'm still rooting for stay effort.

801
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: I'm not really rooting for the individual, it's other team.

802
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: But the other other sports, I don't think UH have

803
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: the same kind of numbers At tennis. Some have them.

804
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: Some are pretty close because I remember seeing some stats

805
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: and there's a few sports that have quite an influx

806
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: of foreigny.

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00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: I had to guess swimming. Hey, I want I want

808
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 4: to ask you because you know we have your limited

809
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 4: time because you know you've got to be a dad

810
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 4: today to pick up my daughter. You're going to come

811
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: back in the city do something for ESPN. What's your

812
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 4: favorite memory like tennis match.

813
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: My me me personally that I played.

814
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you did play Patricks.

815
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: I did play a few good matches.

816
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: Uh.

817
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: You know I I probably the most believe it or not, Uh,

818
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: probably the most proud of a match that I lost,

819
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: which was Di Boris Becker at the court of the

820
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: US Open, because you know I had beaten them in

821
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: a major in Australia before. Actually I lost to them

822
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: in this means the Australian, which was my best performance

823
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: in a Grand Slam, but when I played him at

824
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: the US Open. I've been working for a time with

825
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: a new coach named Dicky Herps, who was now a

826
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: great buddy of mine the years later and his last

827
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Speaker 1: name is Herbs Herbs at h R. Bay. Yeah, so anyway,

828
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Speaker 1: he he, he sort of helped me get like, you know,

829
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Speaker 1: I was a fifty to seventy player kind of thing,

830
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: and so he said, you know, he he inspired me

831
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Speaker 1: and helped me become like a top thirty player, you know,

832
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: and maybe even arguably for a time playing even at

833
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: a higher level. So I played Becker and the Quarters

834
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: of the Open, and I was playing as you know,

835
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: as well as I could play, I thought. And I

836
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: lost the first two sets. You know, it was like

837
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: six four seven, you know, close, but I was playing

838
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: really well. And then I remember sitting down in the

839
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: change room and beginning there's I said, I said, what

840
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: the what the F I'm not going to curse even

841
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: though it's a podcast, okay, I said, I said, I'm playing.

842
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: I said, I might as well try to do what

843
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: my coach has been telling me to do, which is,

844
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, play play, play with a little more, play bigger.

845
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: For me, I was a counterpuncher, so you know, play bigger,

846
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: try to hit a little bigger, try to yeah, go

847
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: for it a little more. So I was like, screw it.

848
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: I mean what I got to lose. I'm down two

849
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: sets left. So I started going for it, and I

850
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: win the third set, and you know, crowds going crazy.

851
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: It's an afternoon to the night, you know. For me,

852
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: the best experience because I was a local kid and

853
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: I was finally, like, you know, having a good US

854
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: Open and I ended up losing this four set tiebreak,

855
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: but I believe I had a set point or two

856
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: to get it to a fifth, you know, And so

857
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: I just remember saying, you know, that was if I

858
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: maybe started the match like that. Yeah, who knows, you know,

859
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: even though Becker was playing at the top of his games. Yeah,

860
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: I said, you know, maybe I could have won it,

861
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: but at least I at least I did it.

862
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 4: Why didn't you listen to your coach then?

863
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, well I did listen. It just

864
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: took me a little while. Maybe I need them to

865
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: come out in the change over.

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00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: It.

867
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: So you're playing well, but you're you know, you're you're

868
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: still losing me. Yeah, so that's to get the coaches

869
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: out there, well.

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00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: Did I mean that's what's so great about tennis, right,

871
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: We're all confronting our own mental interior at all times,

872
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: usually by ourselves. Did you take that away from that match, Like, Okay,

873
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. I can find this place of aggression right.

874
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: You know, I certainly tried. I mean I wasn't in

875
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: that you know, that natural of a player in that way.

876
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: So but it was you know, it's just a great

877
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: experience to be able to see that the work, you know,

878
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: it paid off. And uh, you know, tennis, like you said,

879
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: is tennis is tough because you you you can play great,

880
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: and you just play someone that's just better. Yeah, you

881
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: know that's just physically better than you.

882
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 4: Okay, worst moment like toughest loss.

883
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: Well, obviously the loss of Connors was the toughest loss.

884
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: When I was up two sets and you know, love three,

885
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: love forty. But who remembers the details?

886
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, a story about it.

887
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, so that was, uh, you know, the

888
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: one that people remember and I remembered. It was certainly

889
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: a gutting loss. At the same time, I did learn

890
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: from it. You know, I came back and won a

891
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: lot of matches, and I was down two sets to

892
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: love in my career with nobody knows about, but I

893
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: know about, you know, so that was uh. You know,

894
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: people still come up to me and say, how was

895
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: that that match? And I was rooting for you, I said,

896
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: but you were awfully quiet. Because I didn't hear anybody. Yeah, right,

897
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: that was pretty much.

898
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 4: Did he say anything to you at the net money?

899
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: But you like, you know Jimmy again. No, Actually I

900
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: got along well with Jimmy. Actually, he and I were,

901
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, we used to practice together quite a bit,

902
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and I think he did that more to probably piss

903
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: off John spin. Well, he lit more spin on the

904
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: for him, the more slight, but he could drive through

905
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: it a little better than me.

906
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: But he had more antagonistic relationship with your brothers.

907
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think he was. Yeah, I think he

908
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: liked to practice with me because it was maybe pissed

909
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: John off, you know. Yeah, so it was another way

910
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: to get under his skin. But but you know he

911
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: had My game was more similar to Jimmy's game than

912
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: it was to my brother's game. Nobody could play like John,

913
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: So my game was, you know, a very poor man's

914
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: version of the way Jimmy played, you know, try to

915
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: take it early and better back hand.

916
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: Yes, but you guys were rally players, rally players.

917
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: Big huge serves, right, Yeah, so I think it was

918
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: always good for me to practice with him.

919
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting because I mean, pretty universally to this day,

920
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: people you know, like, oh, you know everyone's byguns, by guns,

921
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: and then it's like, well Jimmy Connor is still out

922
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 3: there like Ret.

923
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: And Old Wrung turn the screws.

924
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, although those personalities, I mean, what do you

925
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 4: I mean if Nick Kurios was playing.

926
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: Back then, well, if Nick Currius was playing back then,

927
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: he I don't think he'd get away with a lot

928
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: of the stuff he gets away with because those guys

929
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't put up with it, you know, in a way,

930
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: probably would go up to it. In a way, it

931
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: probably would have been better for him because he'd probably

932
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: have to get his act together and and and and

933
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: buckle down, as they say in your country, you buckle down.

934
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: But in fact, I for some reason this morning before

935
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: I came, I had I turned on some Australian oh

936
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: and they were just blasting it was this woman was

937
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: she was horrendous. She was saying, you know, oh, because

938
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: the Greeks coddle their kids, And I'm like, can you

939
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: say this on television? Like she was actually said it

940
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: was like a national show. What are we talking about about?

941
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: It was Australian like talk show and they were they

942
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: were brutalizing Curios for his behavior.

943
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: We have a lot of PC in Australia.

944
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: I've seen sports shows, but I happen to like Nick

945
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: Kurios as a person, you know, having spent some time

946
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: with him in David and Labor Cup, and you know,

947
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: he he he, he took up the wrong sport because

948
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: he's really a team guy.

949
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 4: Well you say that, but I'm my god, is he

950
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: a great tennis player?

951
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: He could be a great tennis player. He's not a

952
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: great tennis player because he doesn't have all the whole package.

953
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: So he's got a lot of great skill and he

954
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: has a lot of physical ability, but he is not

955
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: a great tennis player.

956
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: Compare him a little bit because I mean, obviously no

957
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 4: one knows John like you. But I mean, I mean

958
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: John was obviously so famously remembered for his you know,

959
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: out personal the court too, but he was such a

960
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 4: great player. Compare those two a little bit, Like obviously,

961
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: you know the John's results were incredible from the age

962
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 4: of seventeen eighteen nineteen, I mean, he was winning slams. Like,

963
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: is there any comparison just because there's they were both

964
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 4: so volatile on the court.

965
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: That's to me, that would be where it would stop. Yeah,

966
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: because when you look at the competitor that John was

967
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: and still is in fact at sixty. You know, I

968
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: played with him the other day. He's pissed if he loses,

969
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: you know, a baseline game. But John had a way

970
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: of using his volatility to his advantage. You know, people

971
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: thought he used it to the disadvantage of his opponent,

972
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: which you know happened I think a few times, but

973
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: generally he did it because he was pissed at himself

974
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: and he wanted to play better. Yeah, you know, Kyrios

975
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: kind of does it as a way out, you know,

976
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: to get out of this situation. And you know, whatever

977
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: you could analyze, you know, psychoanalyze why he does it.

978
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it is what it is,

979
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, he does, That's what it is. Yeah, and

980
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: John was in addition to they actually they both have

981
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: great tennis under IQs. You know, Curios understands the game

982
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: extremely well, but he doesn't if he's extremely lazy when

983
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: it comes to how he when he gets to the net.

984
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: You know, he stands straight up and he you know,

985
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't use his legs. I mean, you know, so

986
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: he just you know, John, if you look at the

987
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: way he played and his shot selection, et cetera. You know,

988
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: was impeccable.

989
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 4: He hated and this is what I say about great players.

990
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 4: He hated losing more than he loved winning. I think

991
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 4: you've got to hate losing more than you because everybody

992
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: loves to win.

993
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: No, I would agree with that, And but I think

994
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: also he just had a very natural competitive side. And uh,

995
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: he also liked to put on a show in a

996
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: way that was you know, curios puts on a show

997
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: just because he doesn't Maybe he doesn't think the tennis

998
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: is enough for some reason.

999
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: I get.

1000
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 3: I think it's similar to what you were saying. I mean, again,

1001
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: it's easy to but I think he does it because

1002
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 3: it's a way out, because it's a way of making

1003
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: it not about the tennis, which is I think something.

1004
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think if he if I think

1005
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: if he tried his ass off all the time and

1006
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: then he did between the legs and some of that stuff,

1007
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: like everybody would really love it, would be into it.

1008
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: You problem, But the problem is he just doesn't know

1009
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: how to balance it.

1010
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 4: If they were best of three at Grand Slams, do

1011
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 4: you think he would contend? Really?

1012
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: No, I don't you think this would be no matter what,

1013
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: no situation.

1014
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: Chance, because it's just not he's mentally strong enough. Yeah,

1015
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: physical is one part of it, for sure. And if

1016
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: it were lightning fast indoors or grass every tournament, then

1017
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: he would have a he would have a shot.

1018
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: But you think the problem it would persist.

1019
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. I mean he knows he can't hang for

1020
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: five sets. I mean, so that's that's like a gimme.

1021
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: So that's too easy to say he's not going to

1022
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: do it. But I still don't believe in a physical

1023
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: two out of three set match against those top guys

1024
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: that he could handle it.

1025
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go, just because we only have one or

1026
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 3: two questions left. But I want to get to you know,

1027
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 3: turning all of your life to experience your ideas into

1028
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: now the next generation for yourself.

1029
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: You have kids. You mentioned your daughter plays.

1030
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 4: What she's trying to say? Are you a nightmare tennis parent?

1031
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: Probably my daughter would say so, but no I don't

1032
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: think so.

1033
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: No, I'm prettyder no, no, no, no, I'm pretty calm.

1034
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 4: Have you met Patrick?

1035
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm pretty you know it's no, he is not.

1036
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: It is hard sometimes to watch, but at the same time.

1037
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: It's nice to watch him, you know, want to do

1038
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: something that's number one. So my other daughters are into

1039
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: dance and ballet and they love it, you know, So

1040
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: as long as they're doing something they love. If you know,

1041
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: my dad said to me years ago, if you don't

1042
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: want to, you know, I'll still love you tomorrow if

1043
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: you decide not to play tennis. I'm not sure if

1044
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: I really believe that, but with my dad. But but

1045
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that is the truth. I mean, that's

1046
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: I think that's the way you have to look at it.

1047
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: So as long as she wants to do it and

1048
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: she's enjoying it, I think what I've realized through this

1049
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: process with her and and even working at the academy

1050
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: is how freaking hard it is to get good at tennis.

1051
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: That's what I really realized. And I realized that it's, uh,

1052
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, the amount of time and repetitions that it takes.

1053
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: And for me, yeah, and for me, it was mostly

1054
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: hitting against the wall, you know, And that sort of

1055
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: brings me back to those memories. And then I look

1056
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: at not just my daughter, yeah, but then I look

1057
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: at I look at these kids, and I say, how

1058
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: could they miss that shot, like that's such an easy shot,

1059
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: like a short ball high in the fore And I'm like, actually,

1060
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: that's not an easy shot, Like they never they've never

1061
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: done that because they're just sitting at the baseline the

1062
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: same form. So that's a whole different shot.

1063
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: And do you think it's harder to get good at

1064
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: tennis than it was when you were kid?

1065
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: Because no, I don't think it's harder, but I think

1066
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: that it's No, I think it's uh, it's it's I

1067
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: think that is. I think that because the way our

1068
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: society is set up, everybody is programmed. So you know,

1069
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: even at our academy, it's like you come in for

1070
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: your two hours, you get your one hour lesson. You know,

1071
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: you got to get to your your tutor, you got

1072
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: to get to your dance class, you got to get

1073
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: to your homework. And so when you know, I think

1074
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: in our day, you know, I would just go to

1075
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: the club and hang around the club, and I'd go

1076
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: and find somebody to play. Was relatively instructor exactly. And

1077
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: my parents weren't worried about me. They weren't. We got

1078
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: to go pick up Patrick. You know, they call the neighbors,

1079
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: they send him home. I was at my tricycle, I mean,

1080
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: hitting on the wall. I didn't have a So I

1081
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: think that's you know, I think the whole society has changed,

1082
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: so that sort of that free time, that creativity time,

1083
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: that alone time is harder to find.

1084
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: Two things I want to get across before we have

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Speaker 4: to let you even go and pick up your kids.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: But one thing. First of all, I want to put

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Speaker 4: this on the record. Patrick is the greatest dat Like

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Speaker 4: literally I work with him at ESPN and we sit

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Speaker 4: around a lot. We sit around a lot waiting for

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Speaker 4: matches to end, and he takes every opportunity to FaceTime.

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Speaker 1: His girls are the best.

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Speaker 4: And when I tell you, who becomes like girls rule,

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Speaker 4: he becomes the cutest dude. And he doesn't care who's around.

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Speaker 4: He's like, hey, what do you call your daughters?

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Speaker 1: Well there, I'll go by their nicknames, v Juju and Dies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, He's like he died. I mean, it's amazing, like,

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Speaker 4: and he doesn't care who's around. He's he's the greatest dad.

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Speaker 4: But I watched an HBO Real Sports the other day.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw it about Norway, and

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Speaker 4: they had this incredible run at the Winter Olympics, right,

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Speaker 4: they won more Olympics. I didn't see it interesting than

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Speaker 4: ever in Winter Olympics. And one of the things that

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Speaker 4: they stress in Norway and you know how they are

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Speaker 4: they're like, oh, we don't do that. You know, literally,

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Speaker 4: from six or seven till twelve, they don't rank, they

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Speaker 4: don't time, they don't do anything that would make the

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Speaker 4: kids feel lesser or more. Then so they're like, we

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Speaker 4: just want them out.

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Speaker 1: They're playing or sleeping and they're probably doing it by

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Speaker 1: themselves and they're creating.

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Speaker 4: And they get if they want to slide down the

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Speaker 4: skis backwards, they are allowed to do that. It's basically

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Speaker 4: having fun from six to twelve. So there's no ranking.

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Speaker 4: He says, well, but you know, do you put it?

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Speaker 4: Who's fuss He goes, No, it's not allowed. It's literally

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Speaker 4: a government mandate which is that you're not allowed to

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Speaker 4: rank kids in sports up until twelve. I think that's lovely,

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Speaker 4: it's amazing. And then look look at I mean, Norway's

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Speaker 4: the size of man, right, and it's like they're producing

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Speaker 4: these world champions.

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Speaker 1: Weather's good.

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Speaker 4: But you know, so player in the world is from Norway,

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Speaker 4: you know, so it's not like they're just winter sports.

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Speaker 4: These are great.

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Speaker 1: I came across an article recently interesting it is, well

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Speaker 1: I hope ties into that, which is from Roger Feeder's mom,

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Speaker 1: and apparently when they used to go and play, you know,

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Speaker 1: before he went away to sort of train at thirteen,

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Speaker 1: you know, she used to take him on the court

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Speaker 1: and all he would do was just like mess around. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but he would do all these different shots. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: so he would be he would be creative.

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Speaker 4: He would just having community tennis the whole mark of

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Speaker 4: his game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, creating and also you know, being

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Speaker 1: able to maneuver the racket and control the ball. And

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Speaker 1: you know, once he figured out how to control his

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Speaker 1: game and his talent, you know, that's when he when

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Speaker 1: he became the greatest player ever. But uh again, it's

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Speaker 1: that that that freedom, you know, the freedom to go

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Speaker 1: out and enjoy the game, really have the you know,

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Speaker 1: that's why he's still playing at his level, because he

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Speaker 1: loves it.

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Speaker 2: I want to play for my kid if he ever

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Speaker 2: becomes good Corona champion.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's got a lot of potential, to

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Speaker 2: be honest, it's a professional. But I want him to

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Speaker 2: love it because thank you for Patrick, I feel very

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Speaker 2: seen anyway.

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Speaker 1: Well, I really appreciate you guys having me.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, and we don't get unfortunately for the Wreck

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Speaker 4: Magazine podcast, we often have to do it on the

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Speaker 4: road because we're traveling like you. But it's nice to

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Speaker 4: have our local New Yorkers come into the studio.

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Speaker 1: And you used to live right near here. I used

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Speaker 1: to live on Lafayette Street.

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Speaker 4: And then his wife was not his wife of Melissa.

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Speaker 4: He's an amazing broad singer.

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Speaker 1: And she's she's dealing with the burbs, which.

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Speaker 4: He has to go to the burbs in Bronzeville.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's doing well there. We're doing good.

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Speaker 3: Well. Listen, Patrick mcknrow, it's been a pleasure. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for coming and come back anytime.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate thanks about it.

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Speaker 4: Thanks peedback Wimbledon.

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Speaker 3: All right, and that's it for this episode of the

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Speaker 3: Racket Magazine Podcast. Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stubbs.

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Speaker 3: Our co host and producer is me Caitlin Thompson. Music

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