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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're totally

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Speaker 1: chill and not freaking out at all about talking to

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Speaker 1: Katie mother fucking Ladecci. Okay, it's Thursday, August twenty first,

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Speaker 1: and on today's show we'll be talking to swimming superstar

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Speaker 1: and fourteen time Olympic medalist Katie Ladecci about her success

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Speaker 1: at this year's World Championships in Singapore, What keeps her

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Speaker 1: motivated year after year and the things that go through

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Speaker 1: her mind as she's swimming laps, plus saving and scoring

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Speaker 1: winning chips and taking trips and a game fit for

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Speaker 1: the Queen. It's all coming up right after this welcome

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Speaker 1: back slices. Here's what you need to know today. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with the WNBA. The league has broken its total

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Speaker 1: regular season attendance record, with a whole month remaining so

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Speaker 1: far this year, two point four to three million folks

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Golden State Valkyries deserve a lot of credit for

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Speaker 1: this speedy new record, as the WNBA's new US team

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Speaker 1: has sold out all sixteen of their home games. That's

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Speaker 1: good for more than two hundred and eighty nine thousand

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Speaker 1: total attendees. Plus the New York Liberty of up their game.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, thanks to last year's title win, the defending

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Speaker 1: WNBA champs have averaged twenty nine percent more fans so

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Speaker 1: far this season. We'll link to a story from Front

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Speaker 1: Office Sports that gets deeper into the weeds on the

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Speaker 1: record attendance more WNBA. ESPN's Alexa Philippo and Ramona Shelburne

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Speaker 1: reported on Tuesday that the Connecticut Suns owners, the Mohegan Tribe,

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Speaker 1: planned to present the WNBA with multiple options for potential

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Speaker 1: buyers after a previously agreed upon sale was thwarted by

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Speaker 1: the league in what feels like an attempt to get

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Speaker 1: direct the team to an owner it prefers and the

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Speaker 1: cash in later on a future expansion team.

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Speaker 2: Quick refresher on the situation.

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Speaker 1: It was previously reported that Boston Celtics minority owner Steve

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Speaker 1: Paliuca wanted to buy the team and relocate it to

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Speaker 1: Boston for a record breaking three hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 1: million dollar fee, per report from front at the show,

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Speaker 1: any constable of Front Office Sports that offer from Paliuca

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Speaker 1: was agreed to by the Tribe and presented to WNBA

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Speaker 1: Commissioner cat the Engelbert back in July, but Engelbert never

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Speaker 1: brought it to the league's board of governors and the

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Speaker 1: When news that the tribe in Palauca had agreed to

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Speaker 1: statement that relocation deals are made by the League, not teams,

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Speaker 1: have priority over Boston. Back to Alexa and Ramona's reporting,

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Speaker 1: so per ESPN sources, After the tribe in Paliuc agreed

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Speaker 1: to that three hundred and twenty five million dollars sale,

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Speaker 1: but before that agreement was made public, the League stepped

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Speaker 1: in with their own offer to buy the Sun for

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million and not charged the future

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Speaker 1: with Paliuca thwarted. But not wanting to get low balled

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Speaker 1: by the League, the Mohegan Tribe has presented the league

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Speaker 1: with multiple proposals, including option one, the originally reported sale

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Speaker 2: Option two, a sale to Milwaukee Bucks.

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Speaker 1: Owner Mark Lazree, who would move the team to Hartford, Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: option three selling a minority stake in the organization, and

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Speaker 1: option four letting the WNBA purchase the team for three

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five million and relocate it out according

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Speaker 1: to the league's wishes. Philip Who and Shelbourne story has

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Speaker 1: way more on what's going on behind the scenes, so

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Speaker 1: we'll link to that in the show notes. Friend of

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Speaker 1: the show Nancy Armour also wrote a column on the

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Speaker 1: situation for USA Today, arguing that the league is acting

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Speaker 2: Wrights Armour, in.

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Speaker 1: Part, quote, the Mohegan Tribe have two offers, both of

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Speaker 1: By any metric, that seems like a fantastic deal, except

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Speaker 1: NBA owners won't profit from it, and it prevents the

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Speaker 1: Notes more w In the third and final regular season

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Speaker 1: Both teams continued to be without their stars, as Brianna

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Speaker 1: Stewart and f Sakalier are still sidelined with injuries. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of injuries, we've got a few more to report. First,

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Speaker 1: the Indiana Fever announced Tuesday that Sophie Cunningham is done

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Speaker 1: for the season after suffering an MCL tear and the

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Speaker 1: the Fever's fourth guard to miss significant time due to injury,

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Speaker 1: joining fellow season ending injury sufferers Ery MacDonald and Sidney Colson,

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Speaker 1: team had signed Shape Petty to a seven day hardship

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Speaker 1: contract and released guard Kyra Lambert. More roster news. The

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Speaker 1: Dallas Wings will be without Lee Yoru for the rest

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Speaker 1: wings only loss. The team is still without Arigayogumbowale, who

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Speaker 1: August tenth. But it's not all bad news, folks. Chicago's

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Speaker 1: Skystar Angel Reese is back, and she scored a team

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Speaker 1: high nineteen points in Chicago's ninety four eighty eight loss

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Stars Alyssa Nair became the first keeper in

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Speaker 1: same night, she scored her first NWSL goal too. After

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Speaker 1: show notes and you'll hear more about that match, which

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Speaker 1: is a special contest the Rain called the Queen's Game.

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Speaker 1: finalizing a deal to sign Mexican international Lizabeth Ovaller from

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. To softball, Team USA took home

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Speaker 1: gold at the World Games, marking the team's fourth consecutive

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Speaker 1: Some of the top singles players who paired up for

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Speaker 1: Among those big names bounced on the first day Carlos

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Speaker 1: Alcarez and Emeroticanu and Naomi Osaka and Gail Monfis. We're

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Speaker 1: Coming up next, Katie Ldeki, how many medals do you

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Speaker 1: Joining us now, she's the goat the most decorated female

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Speaker 1: swimmer in history, with the total of fourteen Olympic medals,

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Speaker 3: Hi, Katie, Hey, Sarah, thanks for having me. I think

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Speaker 1: So I want to start with something that I've always wondered,

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting you say that, because we literally are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think in many ways, I

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Speaker 3: just saw it as a challenge, a challenge to myself,

437
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Speaker 3: and I wanted to stretch my stretch myself and see

438
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Speaker 3: what I could do in the shorter races, see what

439
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Speaker 3: I could do in the longer races. At the end

440
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 3: of the day, I think I always knew that the

441
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: shorter races would be the most challenging for me at

442
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: the international level, but I really loved that challenge and

443
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 3: I knew that if individually I wasn't winning that. Even

444
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: just by pushing myself to compete in those events, I

445
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: was helping my team because I was preparing myself for

446
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 3: the relays that I was going to be called upon

447
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: to be on. And I think even just by racing

448
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: the two inter free nationally or internationally, I'm pushing my

449
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: US competitors in those events, and that's bringing all of

450
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 3: us up. It's bringing our relay performances up. So that's

451
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 3: why I continue to swim the two hundred within the US,

452
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: and I swim the two hundred on the four by

453
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 3: two inter free style relay still internationally. And we just

454
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: broke the American record in that in Singapore, and I

455
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: was really happy that I was able to put down

456
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Speaker 3: one of my best splits ever. I think it was

457
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 3: my second fastest split ever in that and so that

458
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: was probably the performance I was most excited about.

459
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Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, that's really cool.

460
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Speaker 1: And like I do think, when you have so much success,

461
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: you have to find new ways to gauge progress. And

462
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Speaker 1: you mentioned that there have been times in your career

463
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Speaker 1: when you've gone a long time without swimming a best time.

464
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Speaker 1: Look at the four under meter freestyle for instance, you

465
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: first broke the record in twenty fourteen twice, then again

466
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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen as a nineteen year old at the

467
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Speaker 1: Rio Olympics. Three point fifty six forty six was the

468
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Speaker 1: time there that stood for almost six years, that world record.

469
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Speaker 1: That's a really long time, particularly in this sport, for

470
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Speaker 1: a record to stand. It felt sort of untouchable for

471
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Speaker 1: everyone for a while. A couple of years later looking

472
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Speaker 1: back and thinking like, why am I not doing better

473
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Speaker 1: than nineteen year old me? You're still putting up exceptional times,

474
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Speaker 1: but you're not breaking that record. Was it tough to

475
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: work so hard to still have success but not be

476
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: able to lower that record in those stretches that you didn't.

477
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Speaker 3: I mean, it was tough at times, But again I

478
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: come back to the process and how much I've loved

479
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: the process, and that's why I've continued on in the sport.

480
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I think some people might go three or

481
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Speaker 3: four years without going the best time and decide to

482
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 3: retire or move on, But I truly have loved it,

483
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: and I've just embraced the racing and the training, and

484
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 3: I think that's just what made this year so much

485
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 3: fun for me, because I broke my own world record

486
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Speaker 3: and the eight hundred three in May, and that was

487
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Speaker 3: a record that I hadn't touched since twenty sixteen, and

488
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: so yeah, that was just it was just a moment

489
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: where it just felt like all that work showed showed

490
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 3: on the scoreboard. But I had gotten to a place

491
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: where I was fine if it didn't show on the scoreboard.

492
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: I was fine if I never went eight or four again.

493
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Speaker 3: I always I believed in myself and believed that I

494
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: had the chance to do that, and then I was

495
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 3: putting in the work to be able to do that.

496
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Speaker 3: But I was going to be fine with it if

497
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Speaker 3: I went through my career and didn't touch that time again.

498
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: So I think that's just what made it feel so

499
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: much better.

500
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Speaker 2: It did feel special.

501
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: But also like when you broke that record in May,

502
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: you lowered your own world record in the eight hundred meter,

503
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Speaker 1: it had been seven years since you broke a world

504
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: record in a long course pool, and you swam your

505
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Speaker 1: second fastest times in the four hundred meter and the

506
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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred meter at.

507
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Speaker 2: That race, like you were just on it.

508
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Speaker 1: And you said afterward that the twenty twenty three World

509
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: Championships was the first meet in a while that you

510
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: went into some of your races thinking it was a

511
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: possibility to break your world records. I'm wondering what was

512
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: going on in your training or your body, or what

513
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: was happening around twenty twenty three that might have been

514
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: like a pivot point after which you really felt like, Oh,

515
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm onto something here. I could be getting back to

516
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: that peak form.

517
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I just built through the years. I

518
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: mean Tokyo. It was kind of hard to gauge how

519
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 3: Tokyo went because of COVID and just how strange that

520
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 3: those two years really were. So I think just getting

521
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 3: back to normal training after Tokyo. And I've been training

522
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: in Florida at the University of Florida in Gainesville since

523
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: twenty one Fall of twenty twenty one after Tokyo, and

524
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: so I just had been building every year since then

525
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 3: and felt like I was improving each year each meet

526
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: and had kind of lowered my times each of those

527
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: years to the point where in twenty twenty three I

528
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: felt like I had that chance to go some best

529
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: times and my coach, Anthony Nesty had really, you know,

530
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 3: said something to me that made me start believing in that,

531
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: and we felt like I had done that kind of

532
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: preparation and was putting myself in that position. So it's

533
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: just been a great, great journey, great few years, you know,

534
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: building through through Paris and then now through this summer

535
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: of swimming. And it makes the next few years even

536
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: more exciting now because I've kind of raised my own standard,

537
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: and my standard is always high to begin with, so

538
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: it just kind of solidifies the belief in myself that

539
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 3: I've had, and you know, gives me a new sense

540
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: of confidence going into the next few years.

541
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Speaker 1: Well, and you have some folks pushing you too, which

542
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: is kind of wild, these two youngsters. You've got the

543
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: Australian Ariana Titmus who's been around a while, pushing you.

544
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: But this Canadian Summer Macintosh sort of trading off lowering

545
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: the mark for the four hundred meter world record. Currently

546
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: Summer Macintosh, nineteen years old, has the current mark three

547
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Speaker 1: point fifty four eighteen. She said at Canadian Nationals in

548
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Speaker 1: June of this year. First, is there something about being

549
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: nineteen and setting world records?

550
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: What is it about that age?

551
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

552
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I guess it's it's a

553
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: good year for female distance, But yeah, I mean those

554
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: two have had a great run these last two years,

555
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: and then I mean this year and the eight hundred free.

556
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: There's also Lonnie Pallister from Australia who she got silver

557
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: and had a really great time. So there's no shortage

558
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: of competition right now. And I think the part that

559
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: I had so much fun with in Singapore was it

560
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: wasn't that I was going slower than my best times.

561
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: I mean I was right around my best time. I

562
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: was eight o five and the eight hundred free, that

563
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: world record is eight oh four, and Lonnie was eight

564
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: oh five, Summer was eight oh seven, she was eight

565
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: o five earlier this year, So it's not like I'm

566
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: going slower, like I'm going fastest I've been in years,

567
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: and they're just falling right along, so I shouldn't even

568
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: say they're following right along. They're also setting the standard

569
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: for me, so we're all just keeping each other on

570
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: our toes. As you said, the four new free has

571
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: a lot of great competitors right now. The eight hundred

572
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred free. Also Simona Quaderella Italy swam fifteen thirty one,

573
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: came the second fastest performer of all time, So yeah,

574
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: it's going to be a great few years and women's

575
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: distance swimming, and.

576
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: You seem like you actually like it.

577
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: I love it. It's so fun.

578
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: It's not annoying hearing about all these youngsters coming for

579
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: your titles, because.

580
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: I mean, at this point in my career too, I

581
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 3: feel like I've achieved way more than I ever imagined

582
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: I would when I started swimming when I was six

583
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: years old, when I started internationally swimming when I was

584
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: fifteen years old. So it's really cool to feel like

585
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: we're all together able to push the sport forward and

586
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: set these new standards for others to follow. And you know,

587
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: I know that I'm in the second half of my

588
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: career and you know someday I'm going to be retired,

589
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: and you want to leave the sport in a better

590
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: place than what you found it in, So.

591
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: I love it.

592
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: It also feels like you're enjoying it that way. It's

593
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: not stressful to you. It's it's and it's communal, which

594
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: can be tough in a an individual sport, but you're

595
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: seeing it as something you're doing together instead of against

596
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: each other in terms of setting new records and moving

597
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: it forward, which is really cool. You know, sometimes we

598
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: talk about young athletes like Summer Macintosh or you back

599
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: in the day, like oh, this is what they're doing now,

600
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: imagine what they'll be like in a few years, instead

601
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: of appreciating what's happening in the moment. And sometimes particularly

602
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: for women athletes, where peaks can be different depending on

603
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: their bodies, they don't ever get faster or better. Is

604
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: there something you wish we could change about how we

605
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: talk about the success of young athletes, or how we

606
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: talk about how athletes female athletes develop and changes they

607
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: get older.

608
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: I think that's a really good point. I think it's

609
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: something that you know, I think I think the athletes

610
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: even start believing that themselves, and they probably don't appreciate

611
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: the moments that they're having right now. So yeah, I'm

612
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: just thinking back to Rio and how I was thinking,

613
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: and and even just how athletes I think in general think.

614
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: I think we're always thinking about the next thing, and

615
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: we're thinking about the next goal, and even after Singapore,

616
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: during this break that I'm having, I have all these

617
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: different thoughts of what I could have done better in

618
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: my races and what I need to work on, and

619
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: I think it's important to take a step back and

620
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: enjoy the moment still and not be too hard on

621
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: yourself while you're evaluating and trying to get better. So

622
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: I think you're right that just athletes have different peaks.

623
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 3: And I think I was asked about this by some

624
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: international reporter, I think at Worlds they asked me something

625
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: about peaks, and I kind of just said, I don't

626
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: really believe in peaks or these expectations or these beliefs

627
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: that you're to achieve a peak at a certain age.

628
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: I think it's something that I was very aware of

629
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: as a young distance swimmer, that there was this myth

630
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: that if you're a female distance swimmer, you're going to

631
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: peek at age fifteen or nineteen or twenty somewhere around there.

632
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: And I kind of always had in the back of

633
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: my mind two thoughts, one thought of that could be me,

634
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: and the other thought of, I want to bust that myth,

635
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: and I want to keep going and I want to

636
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: prove to people that that's not the case. That you

637
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: can be successful in distance swimming for many, many years,

638
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: or as long as you want. And I think it's

639
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: been interesting over the years as I've gone through this

640
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: sport to see kind of those reactions to you know,

641
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: my swimming journey into my late twenties and.

642
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're myth busting you're doing.

643
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: You have some people that that that call me, you

644
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: know that that call that age old and swimming, And

645
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 3: sometimes I kind of joke about it being old and swimming,

646
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: and people kind of outside the sport of swimming say,

647
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: come on, Katie, you're twenty eight. That's still very young.

648
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: So there's there are all these talks about age. And

649
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: I think you've seen in other sports, how how especially

650
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 3: in endurance sports marathon running, triathlons, marathon swimming, generally people

651
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: get better as they get older. So it makes me

652
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 3: appreciate the opportunities that I have today as an athlete,

653
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: as a female athlete, that I was able to swim

654
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Speaker 3: through college and swim as a professional athlete. I realized

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Speaker 3: that there are swim in the sixties, seventies, eighties, even

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Speaker 3: more recently that didn't have the opportunities to swim into

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Speaker 3: their mid to late twenties because it didn't financially make sense,

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Speaker 3: or they didn't they literally didn't have a team to

659
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Speaker 3: swim for college swimming Title nine it came around later

660
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Speaker 3: for women. So it's something that it helps me reflect

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Speaker 3: on the history of our sport, the history of women's sports,

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Speaker 3: and makes me very appreciative of the opportunities that I

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Speaker 3: have today. And I hope that whenever I retire, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to get to sit back and watch distance swimmers

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Speaker 3: into their late twenties, early thirties, whatever they want to do, compete.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're setting an example for sure for them to watch,

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Speaker 1: particularly in the sense of like, your career is now

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Speaker 1: a mountain range.

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Speaker 2: It is peak peak, peak peak, It's.

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Speaker 1: Not one peak when you were younger, and so you

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Speaker 1: have busted that myth that you wanted to I wonder

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Speaker 1: if there's any really silly or quirky thing that you've

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Speaker 1: done in training just to change things up, some weird

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Speaker 1: prop that you used, some different crazy interval, Like is

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Speaker 1: there ever a day that you're like, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to just do laps today, or I don't want to

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Speaker 1: work on my cake or my pull, I want to

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Speaker 1: fill in the blank.

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Speaker 2: And you guys got weird with it.

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Speaker 1: I was a track athlete, so I know what it's

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Speaker 1: like to be like I'm just running in circles. I

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Speaker 1: gotta do something else, Like there's never a day where

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Speaker 1: you felt that way.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there was one day in preparation for Worlds,

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Speaker 3: probably in June, where our coach randomly not not randomly,

686
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Speaker 3: I shouldn't say randomly, because there's always a reason for everything.

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Speaker 3: But we were taken aback because we were putting the

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Speaker 3: sprint group for the day. Bobby Fink and I were

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Speaker 3: an Emma Wyatt, one of my other teammates who swims

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Speaker 3: the forned I am, and so we were doing twenty

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Speaker 3: fives off the block and we were getting like four

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Speaker 3: minutes of rest between twenty fives, and we were sitting

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Speaker 3: around like, can we hurry this up? Why are we

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Speaker 3: getting all this rest? This is what you guys do

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Speaker 3: every day? How do you do this? Like it's And

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Speaker 3: they actually wanted more rest, so you know, it's just

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Speaker 3: it's kind of fun to trade places for a practice

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Speaker 3: here and there with sprinters or iams or mix it

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Speaker 3: up whenever we can.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like maybe more fun for you than for them.

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Speaker 1: That's like when I used to have the long run

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Speaker 1: days and I was like, no, thank you, I didn't

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Speaker 1: sign up for this. You seem sort of superhuman to

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Speaker 1: us mortals, untiring, indestructible, obsessed with getting better and working

705
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Speaker 1: out every day where and how do you actually feel

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Speaker 1: the wear and tear of years of training and competing.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not a superhuman and I think that's what

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Speaker 3: I always thought when I started swimming when I was six,

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Speaker 3: and the Olympics for on TV. I always thought, Oh,

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Speaker 3: you have to be some sort of superhero that get

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Speaker 3: to that level. But I, you know, went through the

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Speaker 3: sport and realize that's not the case. These people are normal,

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Speaker 3: just like any anyone else. So yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: certainly have to take my recovery very seriously. And I

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Speaker 3: sleep more now than I did when I was fifteen

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Speaker 3: years old. I cook for myself now, so I enjoy

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Speaker 3: that that part of it, eating healthy and trying to

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Speaker 3: make all the right decisions out of the pool. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: those things, I mean, those things I see as training.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's part of the training. If you don't

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Speaker 3: do those things properly, you're going to impact how you

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Speaker 3: feel at practice, and that's not good.

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Speaker 1: What's the most relatable thing about you? Are you binge

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Speaker 1: watching trashy TV? Do you eat garbage on the couch

725
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Speaker 1: every once in a while, do you forget to floss

726
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Speaker 1: what's going to make us feel like you're like us

727
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Speaker 1: because I'm not buying them, not a superhero thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, not currently watching anything. I let's see. I

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Speaker 3: mean I had ice cream last night.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, something? What are you bad at?

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Speaker 3: What am I bad at? I mean lots of things,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure. I mean, I don't think I broke eight

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Speaker 3: minutes in the mile in eighth grade when we had

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Speaker 3: to run the mile in gym class.

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Speaker 2: So it's that kick again. You got no feet.

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Speaker 3: I might prefer the push up test and the sit

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Speaker 3: up test than the mile. So yeah, I know people

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Speaker 3: who know that I'm a distance summer say that when

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Speaker 3: I retire, oh, you should do like a marathon or

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Speaker 3: an iron man or something. And you have not seen

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Speaker 3: me run. I will stick to the pool.

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Speaker 2: All right, we got something? Okay, last question for you.

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Speaker 1: We play our version of bench start cut, but you

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Speaker 1: don't have to cut anything. We just do good, gooder,

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Speaker 1: and goodest. So rank these an order from good, gooder

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Speaker 1: and goodesta A Bruce Springsteen show, a training day in Florida,

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Speaker 1: a whole week off.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I would go a whole week off good A

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Speaker 3: Bruce Springsteen Show, Gooder, and what was it a training

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Speaker 3: day or.

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Speaker 1: Training day in Florida, A regular trainer day in Florida.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that might be on par with a

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Speaker 3: Bruce Springsteen show because it's just a train one training day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll allow it. You're crazy, I mean, that's why

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Speaker 2: or who you are.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if it was a week.

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Speaker 1: Would you have said a whole week off is bad

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Speaker 1: if that was allowed as opposed to good?

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Speaker 3: Probably?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you know what, honestly, I love to hear

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Speaker 1: that people like you, who have accomplished so much are

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Speaker 1: like this. It makes me feel good that you're doing

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Speaker 1: the thing you should be doing.

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Speaker 3: No, it's good to take a week off here and there.

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Speaker 3: So well, not here and there, but at the end

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Speaker 3: of the season, here we go. It's not not a

768
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 3: bad thing, not a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, this podcast is probably the longest you've been out

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Speaker 1: of the pool in a while, so we have to

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Speaker 1: let you go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so so much for the time. It was

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Speaker 2: so great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: We're just such big fans at the show, and I'm

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Speaker 3: Insight, and of course thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Katie for taking the time. We have

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Speaker 1: to take another break. When we return. Bow Down Slices

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