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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, August seventh, and we have got a

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Speaker 3: Listen, there's a lot buzzing in the news today.

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Speaker 2: There's been two major arraignments that happened today. One is

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Speaker 2: for the man who is accused of killing the Minnesota

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Speaker 3: That's been a long time coming.

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Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, it feels like a long time,

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Speaker 5: but actually not, it hasn't been that long. It feels

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Speaker 3: It feels like forever, So that arraignment happened.

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Speaker 2: And then also, and this happened quite expeditiously, Austin Drummond

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Speaker 2: the suspect in the Tennessee quadruple homicide, so his arraignment

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Speaker 2: happened as well. And later in the show we're going

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Speaker 2: to be getting into something kind of curious. There's a

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Speaker 2: new potential victim who's possibly connected to a serial killer

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Speaker 2: heard much about it. And Gypsy Roade Blancharts, she's apparently rebranding,

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Speaker 2: so God, we're gonna yeah, well, we'll get right into

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Speaker 2: that as well. As always, we adore the talkbacks. We

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Speaker 6: Hi, guys, this is Amanda from Missouri. I guess I

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Speaker 6: was just wanting to know what you guys thought now

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Speaker 6: that things are being released in the Brian Coborder case

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Speaker 6: that was in obviously confidential because it was an active case,

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Speaker 6: but the things that are being released now, I kind

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Speaker 6: of thought it was really interesting that Hunter the friends

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Speaker 6: like I think it was a closet or something like that,

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Speaker 6: seemed like it was an immediate thing, which I can't

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Speaker 6: imagine what traumatizing images are that he saw, But just

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Speaker 6: I was wondering what now that it's like a sentence case.

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Speaker 6: What you thought was the most interesting thing that came out?

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: There's so many interesting things that's hard to pick just one.

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Speaker 2: because that poor guy, who, oh my god, he was

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Speaker 3: What happened to this?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is his You know, Hunter was

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Speaker 5: Emily were very close with Sanna and Ethan. They hung

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Speaker 5: Like in my mind, Hunter is an extraordinary young man,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my that was my knee jerk of

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Speaker 5: And they released it today and in that video, and

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Speaker 5: In my mind, he's clearly upset.

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Speaker 2: Body Movin and we're talking about the Idaho student murders,

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Speaker 2: the new information that's been coming out and actually we're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want to clarify real quick I don't

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Speaker 5: So we're going to go through them really quickly. Brian

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Speaker 5: A lot of it was pretty prejudicial against Brian Colberger, right, right,

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Speaker 5: quote completely false, made up no idea where that came from.

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Speaker 5: Brian Coberger's responsing that you know, he was excited to

437
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Speaker 5: talk to them about this position and you know, things

438
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 5: like that. So we just got there's nothing really to

439
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 5: gain from that. His response is very clinical, like we've

440
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 5: seen in a lot of his responses. We've seen a

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00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 5: couple of text messages that he's sent and he's very

442
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 5: you know, formal and very clinical in his responses, and

443
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 5: he continues to do this in the in the Pullman

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Speaker 5: request too. So it is interesting, but it doesn't really

445
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 5: provide any massive insight, right right.

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Speaker 2: It is the as you said, it's the internals, but

447
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 2: right in this instance, I mean it's a response for

448
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: a job interview, so being formal makes sense, you know.

449
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 2: The quote was, it's a great pleasure to me with

450
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Speaker 2: you today and share my thoughts and excitement regarding the

451
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: research assistant ship for public Safety. It's something else and

452
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: maybe at another time we'll talk about linguistics because spoiler alert,

453
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: we're excited to have a kind of the linguistics expert

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Speaker 2: on soon.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, you're flipping out.

456
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 5: I freaking out.

457
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 3: I know, I know.

458
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 5: And when Taha told me, I almost peed my pants

459
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 5: a little bit. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, stay tuned.

461
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: Coming up, we are going to be talking about a

462
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: link that authorities say Tye Austin Drummond to the murders.

463
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Speaker 2: And also we're going to have some updates on Gypsy

464
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 2: Rose that and more true crimes tonight.

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Speaker 5: Today was a really big day for arrangements Courtney. Right,

466
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 5: there was a lot of movement in the courtrooms. Two

467
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 5: suspects in case we've been following from the beginning. We're

468
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 5: in court today, Courtney, what can you tell us?

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Speaker 2: So this just happened very recently. So Austin Drummond. He

470
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: is the man who's charged with killing four members of

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Speaker 2: the same family in Tennessee just last week. And he

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Speaker 2: also this is the man who also allegedly there was

473
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Speaker 2: a baby who was tied to the family, the baby's mom, dad,

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Speaker 2: and I want to say uncle and grandma. This baby

475
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Speaker 2: was found at the end of someone's driveway, a seven

476
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Speaker 2: month old. So he has the death penalty is what

477
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: will be sought for him.

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Speaker 3: And that seems that's right. That seems correct.

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Speaker 5: It does, and it seems appropriate.

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Speaker 3: It sure does.

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Speaker 2: And he appeared by video feed from jail before the judge,

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Speaker 2: and this was two days after he was arrested in

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Speaker 2: murdering the parents, the grandmother and the uncle of the infant.

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Speaker 2: And get this the temerity. At this hearing, Drummond told

485
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Speaker 2: the judge that he operated a business and stated that

486
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Speaker 2: he really wants a speedy child for this case.

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Speaker 5: Oh, because he thinks he's going to go back to

488
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 5: his business.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, he's got a business.

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Speaker 5: Keep it moving, just business of what running drugs, killing

491
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 5: people move when whatever disaster. So the judge and this

492
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Speaker 5: is so fast moving.

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Speaker 2: So once again, big ups to the authorities and to

494
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Speaker 2: everyone who helped get this man. And he is a suspect,

495
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: you know, he is not confirmed of anything. But the

496
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: judge entered a not guilty plea on Drummond's behalf. And

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Speaker 2: that's because a lawyer hadn't even yet been appointed at

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Speaker 2: that time.

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Speaker 5: Oh really, yeah, I write a statement today. I wrote

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Speaker 5: a statement today from his lawyer. Well maybe he got

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Speaker 5: it after the arrange he did, that's exactly okay, Okay.

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Speaker 2: The judge also ordered that Drummond beheld without bond and

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Speaker 2: he will be back in court in August fourteenth.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So now he's being held without bond y not

505
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 5: you know, okay, not when he was accused of murder.

506
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 5: When he got out of prison. You know, they did

507
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 5: an investigation and found that he you know, they thought

508
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 5: he had committed you know, some felonies while he was

509
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: in prison, including you know, possible murder. But so now

510
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 5: he's not going to be on bond. Okay, I feel

511
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 5: a lot more protected exactly. That just infuriates me. That

512
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 5: he was out on bond infuriates me.

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Speaker 2: And listen, they have mentioned a possible motive, and I

514
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: think you're going to have a little bit to say

515
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: about this as well, don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know if I want to hear it.

517
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 5: I'm sorry angry.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I know this guy keep its speedy judge on

519
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: a business dinner. Okay, the gal So authorities have confirmed.

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00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: They've confirmed, now what we said was speculated that Drummond

521
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: had been dating a state corrections officer related to the victims,

522
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Speaker 2: and that the woman is pregnant with Drummond's.

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Speaker 5: Baby, be correct.

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00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was fired from her job over the affair.

525
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 5: Okay, So for those who don't understand really quick, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Austin Drummond was in prison for thirteen years, all right.

527
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 5: While he was in prison, he met this prison guard

528
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: and it is the sister of the grandmother who was

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Speaker 5: killed that he killed, well, that he's accused of killing.

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00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: That he's accused, that's right.

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Speaker 5: Her name is Yep. So the people that were killed

532
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 5: are two young parents, her mom and her brother. Okay,

533
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 5: so there's when when we say grandma and uncle and whatnot,

534
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 5: We're not talking people in their sixties and fifties. These

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00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 5: are very young. The grandmother herself is only like thirty

536
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: eight years old, very old. She was a young mother.

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00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 5: Her daughter, her daughter, you know, had a young a

538
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 5: baby at a young age. And the baby is the

539
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 5: one that was found, you know, dropped off at the driveway.

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00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 5: So we're saying, you know, grandparents and uncles and whatnot,

541
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Speaker 5: these these people are very young grandparents, like very young.

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00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 5: The uncle himself was only fifteen years old. Fifteen years old.

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Speaker 3: That's unbelievable.

544
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: And and we don't know.

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00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: I was going to say, do we know if that

546
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: fifteen year old boy who lost his life was he

547
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: then the brother of the woman that Drummond, the alleged

548
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: murderer was dating.

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00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 5: No, So the Drummond was dating the sister of the

550
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 5: grandma Poppy you okay, So basically it's the uncle's aunt. Okay,

551
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: So yeah, I know, I know. So the grandmother had

552
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 5: a son and a daughter, and the daughter had the baby.

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00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: Mm hmm okay, So.

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00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: When we say uncle, it's uncle to the baby, grandma

555
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 5: to the baby, mother to the baby, father to the baby.

556
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 5: And Drummond was dating the sister of the grandmother understood, okay,

557
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 5: which would be the uncle's aunt.

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00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: Man. So do we know?

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00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I would have to imagine that it's correlated

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00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: that Drummond and the correction officer who is carrying his baby.

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00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: Do we know if she was helping with any of

562
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: the kizza and vodka that he has was enjoying in prison?

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00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 5: Right now? She has not been arrested for anything. She

564
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: hasn't been accused of anything, correct, you know, as far

565
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 5: as I know, she's totally innocent. But you know, there

566
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 5: is a reason they have these rules in prison, right

567
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 5: and she was fired over this relationship. I don't know

568
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 5: what she was giving him or anything at all. I

569
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't currying him favors while

570
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 5: in prison, but I don't know yet.

571
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: We don't know.

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00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 5: Wow. So you know, stay tuned. We're going to keep

573
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Speaker 5: updating this case. This is true crime tonight on iHeartRadio.

574
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Speaker 5: I'm Body Moving here with Courtney Armstrong. Right now, we're

575
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 5: talking about Austin Drummond, the suspect in the recent Tennessee

576
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 5: quadruple murder. And we want to hear from you, you know,

577
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 5: give us a call at eighty eight thirty one crime

578
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: or hit us up on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. Courtney,

579
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 5: what was the other case that got.

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00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: Some news today?

581
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so this goes I was going to say goes

582
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: back to, but as you said, it was not that.

583
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 5: Seem so long ago.

584
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Speaker 2: Yes, So the accused shooter of the Minnesota state lawmaker

585
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: and her husband, he has pleaded not guilty in federal court.

586
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: Authorities continue to investigate the politically motivated attacks. And this

587
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: is Vance Bolter is the accused alleged shooter, and he

588
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: is facing six charges, including murder and stalking. And he

589
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: fatally shot Democratic state Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark,

590
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: and he also shot miraculously another senator and his wife.

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00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: And they were both shot eight or nine times and

592
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: survived because of their daughter who was at home. And

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Speaker 2: this triggered the largest manhunt in all of Minnesota's history.

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00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: Wow.

595
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 5: And you know this is federal court, so we're not

596
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 5: going to get any any video or audio from these

597
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 5: sessions in court. Right, It's a bummer. But yeah, so

598
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 5: for those looking for it or whatever, don't even bother.

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00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: Right, the judge interesting, I mean, all cases are complex

600
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: of course and have their own intricacies. But the judge,

601
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Speaker 2: Judge Foster has said this is particularly it's been designated

602
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: as complex, which I.

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 5: Don't know what that means.

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00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: I know it's interesting.

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00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I wonder if it's because of the stalking,

606
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: because there are multiple places vance Bolter. If you remember,

607
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: he was dressed up as a police officer as part

608
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: of how he had people open the door.

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Speaker 5: Remember he had that weird mask on that was like,

610
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Speaker 5: I don't.

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00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: Use the word weird, I use the word terrifying for

612
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: that mask that was on his head.

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00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got we got the ring like the ring

614
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 5: footage from him like knocking on the door of one

615
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 5: of the victims. I can't remember which one, and he

616
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 5: had that weird ball mask on.

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Speaker 2: So, oh my god, my laugh right now. It was

618
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: like an uncomfortable laugh because that's.

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Speaker 3: You know what I always thinking of it.

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Speaker 5: What the My understanding is at the Minnesota one of

621
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Speaker 5: the Minnesota Twins games or one of the sports sporting

622
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 5: events in Minnesota, they played a tribute to the to

623
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Speaker 5: the husband and wife that died and included the dog

624
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Speaker 5: in it. And my understanding is is that this is

625
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 5: the listen, you know, what you guys know. I love animals.

626
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 5: I love people too, Don't get me wrong. I have

627
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 5: a special place on my heart for animals, animals, babies,

628
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 5: and elderly people. I just you know, my heart, okay.

629
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Speaker 5: And this is the first dog they've ever buried, meaning

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Speaker 5: it got like state services.

631
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Speaker 3: I just I don't know.

632
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Speaker 5: I just thought that was so tender and sweet, A.

633
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: Super beautiful yeah, super beautiful. And I mean, I'm with you.

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00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: Dogs dogs deserve the world.

635
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 2: So for this listen, A chrial date hasn't been scheduled yet,

636
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: and unsurprisingly, authorities suspect the attacks were politically motivated, since

637
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: all of the victims were politicians or the politicians and spouses.

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00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 5: And maybe that's what they mean by complex too. Maybe

639
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 5: there's you know, things that we just don't know yet

640
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 5: about what the motivations were, and that's why it's complex.

641
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 5: We'll have to find out. We don't know.

642
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's there's many there's many things because he

643
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 2: had that whole list, remember he did.

644
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 5: He had a list, and he had like how to

645
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 5: find people's addresses. He also made a lot of mentions,

646
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 5: you know, in some I think an email to somebody

647
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 5: that Tim Waltz like hired him to do this and

648
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 5: like all this crazy you know, these crazy ramblings. You

649
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 5: remember that we're going to have to recover this stuff

650
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 5: because it you know, it does seem like it's been

651
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 5: a super long time since this happened, but really it

652
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 5: just happened like a month and a half ago or something, right.

653
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, No, it's totally true. But yeah, actually, yeah,

654
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: this this judge is correct. This is a complex case. Yeah,

655
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Speaker 2: it is a complex case. There's the list, and what's

656
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: the you know, his background whether am I misremembering or

657
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: was he very pro abortion?

658
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 5: He was, No, he was pro life and he was

659
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 5: kind of like a preacher. Remember there was that video

660
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 5: of him in Africa, I can't remember where in Africa

661
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 5: doing a sermon, and he was very pro life and

662
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 5: you know, very against abortion. And you know remember his

663
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 5: weird friend and roommate that was doing all those interviews

664
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 5: on the court and like sweeping up the glass and whatnot.

665
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 5: And he even said no, no, you know, he's very

666
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 5: Christian and loving and he was very surprised that you know,

667
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 5: his friend had done this. Or we're gonna we're gonna

668
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 5: keep following it up on this later on the show,

669
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 5: another body has been tied to a potential serial killer

670
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 5: in the Pacific Northwest. Ooh, scary, scary, But now we

671
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 5: have a talkback. Let's go to that talkback.

672
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: Ooh.

673
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: Playing off of the dark tourism and just this vaccination

674
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: that we have a society have with violent criminals and

675
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 4: serial killers. I went to high school with a guy

676
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: who looked like and.

677
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: Dressed like Jeffrey Dahmer for Halloween.

678
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 4: And I want your thoughts on people who do this.

679
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 4: I've seen parents literally dress up their children as serial killers,

680
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: and I.

681
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 5: Think that is just sick. Oh, I've never seen anybody

682
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 5: dress up as a serial killer.

683
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: That's cow I was gonna say. I've never had that

684
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: misfortunate either.

685
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 5: But I've seen kids dress up like Jason from like

686
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 5: Friday the Thirteenth, or like Freddy Kruzcheber, you know, maybe

687
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 5: Michael Myers, you know from Halloween. But I've never seen

688
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 5: any of That's cool. Listen, if I had kids, I

689
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 5: don't have children, I wasn't blessed, but if I were,

690
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 5: I would never let them do it. You know, Courtney,

691
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 5: we go to Crime on Right usually like usually every year,

692
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 5: and they made a rule in their dress code in

693
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 5: I think twenty twenty that people couldn't, you know, wear

694
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 5: those kinds of clothes that like kind of made glorifies

695
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 5: or glorify thank you. I couldn't think of the world

696
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 5: like you know, they used to. They used to sell

697
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: like T shirts that would say like choke me like

698
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 5: Bundy and eat me like Gammer, things like that. And

699
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 5: they've banned good that kind of dress. There's like a

700
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 5: dress on now because of this stuff. So what do

701
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 5: I think of parents that dress their kids up as

702
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 5: serial killers? I think they need to be checked out

703
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 5: in the head, is what I think.

704
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: What do you think?

705
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me think of that old adage of

706
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: like you need a license to go fishing, but not

707
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: to have a kid, and like m should we that's true,

708
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: but regulations. But yeah, I have never seen that. What

709
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: do I think? I think it's so horrifying, is what

710
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: I think.

711
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: And especially I.

712
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 5: Have seen some controversial Halloween costume. So like I've seen

713
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 5: like people dressed up as like the N word nazis,

714
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 5: you know, like I've seen that. I've seen those kinds

715
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 5: of things, and that Prince William what.

716
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: Wait, Okay, tah needs to Okay, he's nodding, but this

717
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: is like when I said that beaver thing, and it

718
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: sounds so crazy coming out loud.

719
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: I want to make sure it's correct.

720
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Speaker 5: I didn't know that, Prince. Are you serious Reformation? But

721
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 5: are Oh my god, I did not know that.

722
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

723
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, Now if I saw that in front of me,

724
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 5: I would literally punch him in the face. Like, you know,

725
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 5: our grandfathers fought against this, right. My grandfather was at

726
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 5: Pearl Harbor like and then he died in the war.

727
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 5: He survived because he was hiding, but our grandfather's fun

728
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 5: I would punch him in the face. Yeah, punch him

729
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 5: in the face.

730
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 7: You are correct, Courtney. In January two thousand and five,

731
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 7: Prince Harry attended a fancy party in a costume where

732
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 7: it was a colonial theme and he wore a Nazi

733
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 7: uniform a swasticker armband.

734
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: So, oh my god, apparently celebrities doing really distasteful things

735
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 2: lives red free in my house.

736
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. It's like you have like this memory and you're like,

737
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 5: I know on this date this happened, and it was

738
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 5: this person chair knows that guy or whatever. You know

739
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 5: everything about this stuff.

740
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, funny. But that was a great talk.

741
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: I certainly got us thicking and talking. Listen.

742
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: Coming up at the top of the hour, we have

743
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: more true crime headlines that are coming out today. Later

744
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: we're going to be hearing from you. As always, do

745
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: not forget to give us a call eight A eight

746
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: three one crime.

747
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 3: We want to hear your thoughts.

748
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 2: What's the craziest thing you've ever seen a child dressed

749
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: up as for Halloween?

750
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: True crime tonight.

751
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 5: Later in the show, what authorities have shared about a

752
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 5: mysterious death that took place this week on a mon

753
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: talk yacht. That's like your area, right, Courtney. But now

754
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 5: we have a talkback.

755
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Brock.

756
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 8: Love the show. I'm just wondering if you guys could

757
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 8: relate some of the modern cases that's happening to some

758
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 8: older cases and how they might relate to each other

759
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 8: or how they might affect each other. Thanks bye, Brock.

760
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, I actually, first of all, I love

761
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: your name. What a great name, and yeah, top of head,

762
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: I am. I do not think quick on my feet

763
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: as as a parent anyone who listens to the show,

764
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: but I do think deeply when given time, and absolutely

765
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: I think contextualizing cases that are happening now with what

766
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: have I mean, that's with serial killers. A reason why

767
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: it's so important to study certain types of killers is

768
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: then to find Okay, here are the signs we can

769
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 2: look for and people can be captured more DNA.

770
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Boddy.

771
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 5: I love what you're saying, and I agree with you.

772
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 5: They need to be studied so that we can look

773
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 5: for these warning signs and whatnot. But even when we

774
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 5: see these warning signs, nothing is done, like what are

775
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 5: we supposed to do?

776
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: Listen?

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00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 5: I love the Behavioral Science Unit. I am the biggest

778
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 5: fan of John Douglas in the entire world. Like there's

779
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 5: two people that I adore and Jim Fitzgerald as you

780
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 5: both know linguistics expert, love him and John Douglas. He's

781
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 5: like the founding father of the Behavioral Science Unit. But

782
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 5: we don't do anything like what are we supposed to do,

783
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 5: like violate somebody's constitutional rights and throw them in bars

784
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 5: because we think they might be a serial killer someday?

785
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 5: Like what are we going to do about it?

786
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 3: Or that people?

787
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: I think we can also talk about historical cases and

788
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: how they can help quicken the investigation of maybe finding

789
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: and stopping filing for yeah, profiling absolutely, even in linguistics

790
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: if they know, you know, we learned here are certain

791
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: patterns to look for that we have established in previous cases.

792
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: And now if you start to see certain patterns, okay,

793
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: people can more quickly narrow in also other cases. You know,

794
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: some cases have literally borne new areas of scientific research

795
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 2: that is now forensically used in court. So that's right anyway,

796
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: rock Yes, we absolutely, uh, absolutely.

797
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 5: Very good question. It's very deep. I know we could

798
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 5: talk about we I could probably talk about this for

799
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 5: quite some time. Actually, Yeah, sometimes some of these talkbacks

800
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 5: make me go, God, I can talk about this forever,

801
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 5: you know, I can talk about these kinds of things

802
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 5: for a long time. I just think it's interesting that

803
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 5: we have like things like the Behavioral Science Unit, and

804
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 5: we come up with these great profiles and it fits

805
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: so many people. But then we find, you know, we

806
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 5: find the person and recognize that they had so many

807
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 5: warning signs right, and nothing was done well And what

808
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 5: are we supposed to do about it?

809
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: Though?

810
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: Well, what you ask do yeah, as a and as

811
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: a as a real answer, you know, I I think,

812
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: I think and if not, we will publicize it.

813
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: There are certain signs that.

814
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 2: Potentially can lead to dangerous things in the future, like right,

815
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: like our sin, like a bed waiting, bed wedding at

816
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: a very late, very late age, like hurting animals. And

817
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: if people see these signs in someone who is young,

818
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 2: then it can be addressed if we have the knowledge.

819
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 5: Maybe therapy exact, you know, things like that. But if

820
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 5: they're at an older age, what are you supposed to do?

821
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 5: Like I experienced this personally, what did it?

822
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 6: You know?

823
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 5: And the cops were like, Eh, what are we supposed

824
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 5: to do? It's frustrating. It's frustrating, and you know, and

825
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 5: to their credit, to their credit though, yeah, like Leonora

826
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 5: with stalking, right, and she had to do all this herself,

827
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 5: she had you know. It's just it's frustrating because they

828
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 5: you know, we get all these warning signs, but you know,

829
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 5: to the system's credit, they can't just like arrest somebody

830
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 5: because they might do something that's like you know, futuristic

831
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 5: movie stuff.

832
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: Right.

833
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: But Leonora, who body just referred to, Leonora Claire was

834
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: on last night. She's a brilliant advocate for victims of

835
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: stalking and has used her personal experience to then lead

836
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: to proactive action up to legislation. And you know what,

837
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: A lot of what she said was people need to

838
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: know about things like there was a law and I

839
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: wrote it down I don't have it in front of

840
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: me where you know you You may think something like

841
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: people just voted in in California that non violent offenders

842
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: should get very small sentences, but without knowing that classified

843
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 2: and non violent offenders is sodomization of people who are unconscious.

844
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Speaker 2: And you know all of these things, so it's it's

845
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: knowledge anyway, right, thank you, very.

846
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 5: Good question, very Thank you so much, Brooke. We really

847
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 5: appreciate and keep it coming. And hey, listen, if you

848
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 5: want to weigh in about what are we supposed to

849
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: do about this kind of stuff, give us a call

850
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 5: eighty eight thirty one crime or leave us a talkback,

851
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 5: give us a suggestion, because listen, I'm at my woods end.

852
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 5: I don't know what we're supposed to do. I'd love

853
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 5: to hear from you guys. Right, So what else? Okay, headline,

854
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 5: let's keep it moving. Let's keep it keep it moving,

855
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 5: body moving.

856
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: So so this, okay, this is a story with a

857
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: lot of heroes. Just yesterday, a sergeant, his name is

858
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 2: Cornelius Rafford, he opened fire at Fort Stewart Army Base.

859
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: This was in Georgia.

860
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: He injured five soldiers, and officials described it as a

861
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: swift and chaotic incident. However, the shooting prompted a lockdown

862
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: that was immediate and absolutely the emergency preparedness of all

863
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: of the soldiers helped minimize the harm that could have

864
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: been done. Radford, the offender was very quickly tackled and

865
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: subdued by fellow soldiers and so the shooting was over

866
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: very shortly after it began because of all of the

867
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Speaker 2: fast thinking.

868
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Speaker 3: People who were on the base.

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Speaker 2: Heroes absolutely, and you know this this shooter he really

870
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 2: caused mayhem. Was there was a driver on the base

871
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: who described the situation understandably as really scary and alarming

872
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: and thinking that for a little bit of time that

873
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: thinking they were at war, which of course you would.

874
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 5: Think that reason, why wouldn't you take that, Why wouldn't

875
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 5: You're at an army base and are these shootings? Yeah,

876
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 5: you probably would think that, how scary.

877
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: But again, these you know, the fast acting soldiers really

878
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: saved lives from being lost. And one of the soldiers

879
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: who was injured is in high spirits is expected to

880
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: be released next week, and all of the victims are

881
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: expected to fully recover.

882
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: Recover.

883
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 5: Oh that's so good.

884
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

885
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 2: And I think you had mentioned that. Yeah, there's some awards.

886
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: Give us some more.

887
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, six soldiers at Fort Stewart were awarded the Notorious

888
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 5: Service Medal for their bravery in subduing Cornelius and providing

889
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 5: aid to the wounded after the shooting on Wednesday. The

890
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 5: gunman identified as Sergeant Cornelius Radford shot five soldiers before

891
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 5: being tackled and disarmed by the other soldiers. It's incredible. Yeah,

892
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 5: So they got like a really really great medal for

893
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 5: their bravery, and they deserve it. I think it's great.

894
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 5: I just kind of wanted to end that on some

895
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 5: good news, and I think the medal being awarded to

896
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 5: them is, you know, it's good news. Yes, none of

897
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 5: them are none of them are going to die.

898
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: I know, thank God, you know, thank God for small favors. Okay,

899
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: you mentioned something earlier in the show. I believe, and

900
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: I want to know all about it. Tell me about

901
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: that nurse.

902
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 5: Wacky so Florida woman of course, Autumn Bardisa. Bardisa has

903
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 5: been arrested for impersonating a nurse and providing medical care

904
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 5: to over forty four hundred patients without a valid license.

905
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 5: So she is twenty nine years old. She posed as

906
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 5: a registered nurse at advent Health Palm Coast Parkway from

907
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 5: July of twenty twenty three into her contract termination in

908
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 5: twenty five, and she used a stolen license number and

909
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 5: false documentation. Her actions prompted a month's long investigation after

910
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 5: the hospital staff race concerned about her credentials. Scary, So

911
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 5: what did she do right to?

912
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: Oh?

913
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 5: Scary? So she was arrested a couple days ago at

914
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 5: her home. She was wearing scrubs. Following a seven month,

915
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 5: seven month investigation by the Flager County Sheriff's Office, the

916
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 5: authorities did confirm she treated forty four hundred and eighty

917
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 5: six patients from June of twenty twenty four through January

918
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty five without a valid night nursing license.

919
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: Hold on June, so that's about six months time. Yeah,

920
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: I don't why she was very busy.

921
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: I mean that's seven hundred. That's more than seven hundred

922
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: patients a month.

923
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 5: She was a Yeah, it sounds like it was like

924
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 5: a quick Care kind of place like urgent care. You know,

925
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 5: you go in, they see probably a hundred patients day.

926
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 5: At least every time I go to a quick Care

927
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 5: there's tons of people in the waiting room.

928
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: I hate going there.

929
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 5: So hospital officials terminated her contract on January twenty second

930
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 5: after she failed to provide a marriage license to verify

931
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 5: her identity. She faces seven counts each of practicing a

932
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 5: healthcare profession without a license and fraudulent use of personal identification.

933
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 5: I kind of wonder, like, was the care good. Well,

934
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 5: I wonder too, because I am I'm not.

935
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 2: I don't believe there's any Yeah, nothing that has been

936
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: reported to my not.

937
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 5: Nothing that we've seen yet. Yes, nothing we've seen because

938
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 5: it was just providing her credentials raised red flags, not

939
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 5: her actual care. So maybe she was a nurse and

940
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,959
Speaker 5: previous and just didn't renew or something at some point.

941
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 5: I don't know, but she trained a lot of people

942
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 5: with apparently no complaints that we can see yet.

943
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you know, we're going to see how this unfolds,

944
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: because I do know. The Share described the case as

945
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: quote one of the most disturbing cases of medical fraud

946
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 2: we've ever investigated.

947
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: Because wow, because the risk was high.

948
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, to your point, I do wonder like if

949
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: there were no complaints, like was she like five star

950
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: nurse on YELP?

951
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 3: Maybe?

952
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 5: And did she go to nursing school? She excuse me?

953
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 5: She initially claimed to be education first registered nurse, meaning

954
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 5: she completed schooling but hadn't passed the National license exam yet.

955
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 5: So maybe she went to nursing school kind of like

956
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 5: going to law school. You don't pass the bar. You

957
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 5: know you're a JD. You're a JD at that point, right,

958
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 5: Maybe she, you know, went to nursing school but didn't

959
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 5: pass the test. I don't know.

960
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: It's scary though the inverse, And I know this is

961
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 2: not your area of interest, but it is Stephanie's who

962
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: will be back on Sunday. I was gonna say, isn't

963
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian. I think she's planning to take the bar

964
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: without going to law school, which.

965
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 5: You don't have to, you know, have to if you

966
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 5: know the law. I mean, do you have to go

967
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 5: to law school to pass the bar, to take the bar?

968
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: Not to take the bar? You don't unless things have changed.

969
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 5: So I could just walk in and take the bar exam.

970
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: Well, good luck.

971
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna spend a

972
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 2: couple of years studying, then that would.

973
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 5: Be a waste of money. But are you saying that

974
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 5: I can just literally walk into like the Nevada bar

975
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 5: test and take the the exam and if I pass,

976
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 5: I'm a lawyer. Now I didn't know.

977
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll double check that because because I looked

978
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: into it because I thought it was so odd to me.

979
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: But you know, if you can pass it, you can

980
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: pass it. Should we try, I want to try and

981
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 3: pass the bar, what would happen?

982
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 5: I wan't gonna try. I'm gonna try. I probably fail.

983
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I guarantee on my end, but uh,

984
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

985
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 5: So yeah, so this is very disturbing case. And you know,

986
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 5: obviously if you were treated by this nurse, you know,

987
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 5: check in and see, you know, make sure you're doing okay,

988
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 5: and stick around because we've got more to dig into.

989
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 5: A potential serial killer in Oregon has been connected to

990
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 5: another murder and the ever never ending saga of Gypsy Rose.

991
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: Her new rebrand, and we are going to kick this

992
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: off with a talkback right now.

993
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 9: Hi, ladies, this is Sarah from Michigan, And in terms

994
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 9: of the dark tourism topic, I think the difference between

995
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 9: serial killers like Jack the Ripper and Bundy and these

996
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 9: tours for them.

997
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: Jack the Ripper it was a different time and.

998
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 9: When you think of all of that, you think of

999
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 9: yourself in that time period, whereas Bundy all of these

1000
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 9: other serial killers kind of happened more recently and it's

1001
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 9: not so different. There's not as much to imagine. Does

1002
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 9: that make sense?

1003
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 5: Oh, it totally makes sense. Like you completely nailed it

1004
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 5: in my opinion. You know, I've been saying like I

1005
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 5: probably wouldn't go on these things if the immediate family

1006
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 5: is still around, and I think it could be seen

1007
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 5: as disrespectful, and I definitely don't want to disrespect you know, Victor,

1008
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 5: that's not my it's not my DNA. But I think

1009
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 5: you actually, uh put it into better words. You know,

1010
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 5: when I went on the Jack of the Ripper tour,

1011
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 5: you know, obviously it happened so long ago, and you

1012
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 5: know you're walking down those like cobblestone streets and it

1013
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 5: is you are imagining yourself in a different time, a

1014
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 5: totally different universe almost right, like no electricity, you know,

1015
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 5: using potatoes to warm your hands. You know, we don't

1016
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 5: we don't do those things.

1017
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what was going to do with potatoes?

1018
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 5: So in in in the UK, they call like baked

1019
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 5: potatoes jacket potatoes. In my understanding this and I got

1020
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 5: this from TikTok. So listen if I'm wrong. If you

1021
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 5: live in the UK and you're hearing me and I'm wrong,

1022
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 5: do not come for me. But they call them jacket

1023
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 5: potatoes because back in the day before, you know, when

1024
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 5: it was really cold out, they would heat up these

1025
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 5: potatoes and put them in their pockets and it kept

1026
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 5: their hands warm. And so that's why they called them

1027
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 5: jacket potatoes. And then somebody made a comment it was

1028
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 5: so funny and they said, no, those are called pockets. Anyway.

1029
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 5: I digress. But you know, it is a different time, right,

1030
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 5: so if there was the Dollmer Tour, you don't have

1031
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 5: to imagine it so much because your things haven't changed

1032
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 5: all that much. Right, So it's too it's too fresh,

1033
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 5: I think is what her point is. It is too

1034
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 5: it's too close to current time. And I think that's

1035
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 5: a really good point.

1036
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's kind of the adage of you know,

1037
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: it's tragedy plus time equals comedy. And I'm not suggesting

1038
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: that any of these equals comedy, but it's like a

1039
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: tragedy plus an elongated history, then it turns it into

1040
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: kind of a different thing.

1041
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: Anyway, thank you for the talkback, Sarah. That was that

1042
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: was really good.

1043
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 5: You nailed it.

1044
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 3: I really do, body, what is happening in Montalk?

1045
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know what the heck's going

1046
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 5: on down in Montcok. But listen to this Manhattan fashion

1047
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: entrepreneur Martha Nolan. She's known for her Iron high end

1048
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 5: bikini brand. She was found dead on a boat at

1049
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 5: the Montauk Yacht Club with no signs of foul play.

1050
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 5: As police continue investigating Martha Nolan. Oh, how do you

1051
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 5: say her last name? Oh? Slatra, Oh slaterer, Slaterra. Thank

1052
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 5: you listen. I'm getting my Irish card revoked immediately.

1053
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: All right.

1054
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 5: She's a thirty She's only thirty three. She's a thirty

1055
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 5: three year old Manhattan and founder of the Batique Resort

1056
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 5: where label East by East. She was discovered unresponsive aboard

1057
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 5: a docked yacht early Tuesday morning at the Montauk Yacht Club.

1058
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 5: Police are conducting a thorough investigation with the Suffolk County

1059
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 5: Homicide Squad, but preliminary autopsy reports show no evidence of violence,

1060
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 5: so they have no understand of how she passed. But

1061
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 5: she's so young that you know, and there is no

1062
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 5: indication of foul play. But obviously if the homicide squad

1063
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 5: is investigating, there's something right or they have reasons to

1064
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 5: believe something happened. So she was found unresponsive on the

1065
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 5: boat just after midnight on August fifth, just a couple

1066
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 5: of days ago, with nearby bystanderds performing CPR before first

1067
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 5: responders showed up. The initial autopsy was inconclusive regarding the

1068
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 5: cause of death, and the final ruling is pending further

1069
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 5: examination by the Suffolk County Medical Examiner. Police are interviewing

1070
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 5: all the yacht club members, boat owners, and receiving and

1071
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 5: reviewing all the digital evidence such as like surveillance footage,

1072
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 5: video footage photos that people took that day. The boat

1073
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 5: scene has been secured by investigators who are ensuring it

1074
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 5: remains intact during this inquiry, and the Montalk Yacht Club

1075
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 5: confirm cooperation with police, but declined for their comment, emphasizing

1076
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 5: guests and staff say but in privacy, like it's so weird.

1077
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: It is, it's very curious, Like you said that the

1078
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: homicide investigators are indeed investigating, but then also there appears

1079
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: to be no foul play. I mean, I guess this

1080
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: is just something that because of her age, because of

1081
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: her apparent health, because no one in her life had

1082
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: ideas of what could have caused this.

1083
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: That, uh right.

1084
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 5: So just in a background on her, just a little

1085
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 5: background on her. She's originally from Carlo, Ireland, and she

1086
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 5: earned her Bachelor of Commerce and master's degree in Digital

1087
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 5: Marketing marketing from the University College in Dublin. She founded

1088
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Speaker 5: East by East. It's a boutique resort where brand and

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Speaker 5: actively promoted through all her social medias well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was. She was definitely well known and certain.

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Speaker 2: She was definitely, you know, an influencer and people looked

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Speaker 2: up to her and really liked what she was doing.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: She often shared like a lot of behind the scenes

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00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 5: content of her fashion shoots and marketing efforts, include being

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Speaker 5: a recent pop up event at the Gurney's Resort in

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00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 5: montac Her business partner described her as passionate who built

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Speaker 5: her brand from the ground up and was deeply loved

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Speaker 5: by colleagues. So there's no obvious suspects in this. So

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Speaker 5: we're gonna have to stand by and find out what happens.

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Speaker 5: But you're listening. You're listening to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 5: where we talk true crime all the time, and we're

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00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 5: kind of just right in the middle of some headlines.

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Speaker 5: If you want to weigh in, give us a call

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 5: a day to eight thirty one Crime, or hit us

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00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 5: on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. And now I

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Speaker 5: have another one, another story.

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Speaker 3: This one.

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Speaker 5: This one is in regards to the potential serial killer

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00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 5: in Oregon. So we just we just started following this

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00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 5: today and so that we don't know a lot about it.

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Speaker 5: But I'm going to tell you what we do know.

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Speaker 5: Jesse Lee Calhoun, he was already charged with three murders

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Speaker 5: in Portland and southwestern Washington, was indicted today. Was indicted

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Speaker 5: for the murder of Kristen Myth, whose remains were found

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two. Calhoun was indicted last year on

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Speaker 5: the death of Charity Perry she was twenty four, Bridget

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Speaker 5: Webster she was thirty one, and Joanna Speaks she was

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Speaker 5: thirty two. He remains in custody of the mole. I

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Speaker 5: always get the hardest names, you guys, like, what is

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Speaker 5: going on? MALToma, Multoma. That's your guys, Oregon are going

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Speaker 5: to have to call in and correct me on this

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Speaker 5: County Inverness jail. And his trial is expected to be

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Speaker 5: held in twenty twenty seven. So we got a long

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Speaker 5: way to go on this.

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Speaker 3: Well, talk about complicated cases.

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Speaker 2: I mean this if there's four, you know, four victims,

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Speaker 2: and I guess that investigators are sort of just tying

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Speaker 2: one in from.

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Speaker 3: Three years ago.

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Speaker 2: Right, So he's he's accused of killing the three women

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Speaker 2: prior important in dumping their bodies.

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Speaker 5: And again he was just charged. He was just indicted

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Speaker 5: on the fourth murder charge Tuesday. So that is technically

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Speaker 5: a serial killer. Yeah right, it's technically a serial killer.

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Speaker 5: So a grand jury has indicted him in the November

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty two death of twenty two year old Kristen Smith,

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Speaker 5: the district attorney, Nathan Vasquez said during a press conference.

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Speaker 5: The new indictment, which comes roughly two and a half

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Speaker 5: years after her remains were found, adds one count each

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Speaker 5: of second degree murder, second degree murder, what and abuse

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Speaker 5: of a yeah, and abuse of a corpse to his case.

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 5: Melissa Smith, who is Kristin's mother, said she was overwhelmed

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Speaker 5: with emotion. I've always stayed hopeful that I would get

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01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 5: justice for Kristin, she said. She said this at the

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Speaker 5: news conference, and I think every single person who didn't

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01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 5: give up on this case, my heart goes out to her.

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01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 5: That's going to be I mean, it's bittersweet, right, She's

1149
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,959
Speaker 5: lost her daughter, yea. At the same time, she's now

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01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 5: getting some justice in her daughter's name. So he pled

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Speaker 5: not guilty to the three counts each a second degree

1152
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 5: murder and the use of corpse in the initial indictment.

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Speaker 5: But Perry, Webster and Smith were found in Oregon, while

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Speaker 5: Speaks was found in an abandoned farm in southwest Washington.

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Speaker 5: Their bodies were found over several months starting in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty three, in wooded areas, in a culvert and under

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Speaker 5: a bridge in a roughly one hundred mile radius. Do

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Speaker 5: you conically a serial killer?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you know what a culvert is? By the way,

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Speaker 3: what is that?

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Speaker 5: I think it's like a ditch. Oh, justin listen, this

1162
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Speaker 5: is a man question.

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Speaker 2: It's a structure hold on hold on uh, culvert. It's

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Speaker 2: a structure that channels waterflow. Oh, typically under a road

1165
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: or railway or something else. It's one of those things

1166
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: you see. It's like a I'm holding my hands wide apart,

1167
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: like a big pipe that has a little.

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Speaker 3: Bridge over it. It's always kind of.

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Speaker 5: A picture or is it a pipe?

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Speaker 2: No, it's a pipe, so water flows through it anyway.

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Speaker 2: So he he was utilizing oh and under yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: So police and prosecutors have shared very little information in

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Speaker 5: this case. The death of another woman during that time

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Speaker 5: period is still be investigated, so stand by because he

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Speaker 5: might have some more charges. He Calhoun was arrested in

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Speaker 5: June of twenty twenty three on unrelated pearl warrants and

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Speaker 5: indicted in May of twenty twenty four in these women's deaths.

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Speaker 5: So it's very you know, very interesting. I don't know,

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Speaker 5: we're going to learn more about this week again. We

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01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 5: just started following it today. Of course, if it's a

1181
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Speaker 5: serial killer, I'm immediately like woo, the back of my

1182
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 5: neck hair stand up, you know, So I definitely want

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Speaker 5: to be following this absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And you know, as is often the case, especially early

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01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: and obviously this has been happening four years, but it's

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01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 2: still happened. But it's still occurring now this investigation. More

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01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 2: murders can be tied to someone once they you know,

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Speaker 2: once they had a suspect.

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Speaker 5: In So, what's interesting about this guy Courtney, listen to this.

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Speaker 5: So his initial indictment again, he was indicted, you know,

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Speaker 5: a while ago. The initial indictment came weeks before he

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Speaker 5: was due to be released from state prison. He initially

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Speaker 5: went to prison for assaulting a police officer and trying

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Speaker 5: to strangle a police dog. Ah can you yeah, a canine?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: So he wasn't.

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Speaker 5: He was in prison for that, and while he was

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Speaker 5: in prison for that, they were like, oh, you might

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Speaker 5: be this guy the serial killer. And they indicted him

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Speaker 5: while he was in prison, and he was going to

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Speaker 5: be out in a week. In one week, he was

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Speaker 5: going to be on the streets. Right.

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Speaker 3: That's insane, that's insane to me.

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Speaker 5: I know. So initially he was released in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 5: a year early because he helped fight wildflowers. You know,

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Speaker 5: sometimes they use these guys in prison to you know,

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Speaker 5: rehabilitate them. They become kind of like volunteer firemen and

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Speaker 5: they get to work off some of their stuff, so

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Speaker 5: we're going to keep following that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll follow this for sure.

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Speaker 2: And also Gypsy Rose Gypsy Rose Blanche shirt, what is

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Speaker 2: doing with your rebrand? And we'll be turning them go

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Speaker 2: over to you keep it here. True Crime Tonight eighty

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Speaker 2: eight three to one crime. We are talking true crime

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Speaker 2: all the time. Let's get back into it. I understand

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Speaker 2: we got to talk back.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear it.

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Speaker 10: Hi, ladies, It's Hannah from Australia. I just wanted to

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Speaker 10: ask how you feel about the differences between the treatment

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Speaker 10: of the Mendez brothers and Gypsy. They're both terrible things

1221
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 10: based off family violence, but I feel that Gypsy manipulated.

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Speaker 11: A vulnerable individual to commit a crime, which shows to

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 11: me that she planned this and was well aware of

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Speaker 11: what the outcome would be. Maybe the movies have been

1225
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 11: made about both of these cases have sensationalized things and

1226
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 11: made us feel a different way, but it seems that

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Speaker 11: for some time she was aware what her mum was

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Speaker 11: doing and.

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Speaker 3: Had the ability to escape.

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Speaker 5: Mmmm, you hit Oh my god, You've on so many

1231
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 5: nerve points with me. That was such a good talk back,

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I do I do recognize that, you know,

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Speaker 5: the media has treated both and not just the media,

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01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 5: the public. Right, Gypsy Rose was kind of celebrated when

1235
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 5: she was released from prison, and the talk of the

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01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 5: Menendas brothers has kind of garnished a little resentment in

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01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 5: some in some circles, like how dare they they brutally

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Speaker 5: murdered their parents? How could they be released from prison?

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01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 3: Well?

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01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 5: So did Gypsy Rose.

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01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 3: Right yep.

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01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 5: But not only did Gypsy Rose murder her mother, but

1243
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 5: she manipulated her boyfriend at the time, who you know

1244
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 5: is severely autistic, and you know, she she had him

1245
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 5: do everything, and then she mailed the knife that was

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Speaker 5: used to murder her mother to his home so that

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01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 5: when they got there, you know, they could dispose of

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01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 5: it in another state. I mean, it was very conniving.

1249
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Speaker 5: And you know, why is it treatedly? Why why are

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Speaker 5: they treated differently? Is it because Gypsy is you know, acute,

1251
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 5: you know, speaks like this?

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Speaker 3: You know? Is it?

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01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 5: And is in her her abuse is well documented? Her

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01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 5: mother suffered from Munchausen by proxy and you know, was

1255
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 5: medically mistreating her for her whole life. Right, So, but

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01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 5: then the Menendas brothers, their abuse was kept secret. I

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01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 5: mean they said it happened, but they couldn't prove it

1258
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,959
Speaker 5: and they couldn't testify to it because it was taken

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01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 5: away from them at the trial. So the public has

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01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 5: a much different perception of the me Menanda's brothers. I'm talking, well,

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's I know, I know, Gypsy Roz Rose.

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Speaker 2: I know. This hit a nerve, and I think it's

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01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: a really interesting distinction that you drew. And listen, it's

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Speaker 2: not just you mentioned the media, you mentioned the public

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01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: at large, but it also is the court system. Because listen,

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01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 2: even Robert Rand, who is our you know, resident expert,

1268
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: who has been kind enough to visit with us several times,

1269
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: has known and followed the Menendez brothers since the day

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Speaker 2: after the murders. Do you recall when he said that

1271
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Speaker 2: after after he spoke with all of the jurors, that

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01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 2: all of the men they didn't think that it was

1273
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 2: possible that a father could have sexually assaulted his son.

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Speaker 2: They literally couldn't wrap their minds around it. The men

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01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 2: couldn't and the women could. So I do think this

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01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 2: is one instance where you know, sex comes into it,

1277
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 2: male female, Like you said, oh you know, Gypsy Rose,

1278
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 2: as a victim, whereas you don't see affluent males, athletic

1279
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 2: young prime of their lives. It's harder to see them.

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Speaker 2: I think we're honestly programmed that way.

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Speaker 5: And I love that she drew that comparison the Hannah

1282
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 5: from Australia. That was such a good talkback because I

1283
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 5: never correlated it two ever until just now. And so,

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01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 5: you know, thank you for that talkback. That was such

1285
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 5: a good like comparison. I never thought of that. Yeah,

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 5: and she's one hundred percent right. She's one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 3: And you're Australian accent.

1288
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 5: I know, we love it. Call us again and say no,

1289
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 5: I love that. I love it. When I was in

1290
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 5: Malaysia filming for The Mole on Netflix, our production company

1291
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 5: was Australian, and you know, we were bored a lot

1292
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 5: because we didn't have anything to do, and so we

1293
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 5: would often talk to our handlers, who were all Australian. No, anyway,

1294
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 5: I'm getting sidetracked and get a little loopy here at

1295
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 5: the end of the show.

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: Listen, Australia is a good place to get sidetracked into.

1297
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: I spent six of the best months of my life there.

1298
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 5: Oh, I would love to go. I would love to go.

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01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: But what do we have now? Yeah, well we have

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Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose in the headlines. So Gypsy Rose blanchert she's

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Speaker 2: quote rebranding her social media profile and she wants to

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Speaker 2: reflect a shift toward a new business and to step

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Speaker 2: out of the public eye. So, as you touched on briefly, body,

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Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose grew up under her mother DD's horrific.

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Speaker 3: Treatment of her.

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Speaker 2: So her mother had Munchausen breatht proxy, which is a

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01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: condition in which often it is very often a mother

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01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 2: and their child. And when you have Munchausen by proxy,

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01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 2: you make someone ill in order to garner the sympathies

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Speaker 2: of medical professionals and your neighbors and anyone.

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Speaker 3: You know, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: You wonderful mother. You have to caregive. But I mean

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Speaker 2: she DEDI had Gypsy Rose. She had her in her wheelchair,

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Speaker 2: she had teeth extracted, she had her grossly underweight, had

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Speaker 2: she was injecting her with all kinds of real poisons

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Speaker 2: and medications she didn't need.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't Gypsy a lot older than Dede was saying she

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Speaker 5: was too, like she was two or three years older

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Speaker 5: than So she was like infantilizing her too, is what

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to get at.

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Speaker 3: She was one hundred percent infantalizing her.

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Speaker 2: And I think also, you know you mentioned her voice,

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Speaker 2: but also if you're treated, because part of what Dede

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01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 2: did was to garner this attention. She had sort of

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Speaker 2: trips to Disneyland that were granted to her, and she

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Speaker 2: would say, oh, you know, my Gypsy, and she just

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Speaker 2: loves cartoons and Disney. And she did also infantalize her.

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Speaker 5: So they got a free house, remember they got that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So it's I really struggle with Gypsy Rose

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01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 2: because I did too, you know, did she? I agree,

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Speaker 2: she fully manipulated her boyfriend, who had an incredibly low IQ.

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Speaker 3: And therefore, you know.

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Speaker 2: We we go to sort of legal competency. He was

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Speaker 2: sort of on the verge of it, I would say.

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Speaker 2: And but also in your talkback you mentioned she manipulated

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Speaker 2: him and controlled the situation.

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Speaker 3: She absolutely did.

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Speaker 2: She also grew up knowing nothing else, right now, that's

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01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: a good point.

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Speaker 5: She grew she grew up knowing nothing else. She only

1341
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 5: really understood lies and manipulation, right she didn't. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure Didi loved her. I'm sure and I'm sure

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Speaker 5: Gypsy Rose loved her mother as well, but you know,

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Speaker 5: it really twisted and manipulated kind of love, right, not

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01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 5: like you know, quote unquote normal mother daughter relationship.

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Speaker 3: And so her.

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01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 5: Idea of love at that time. She might be healed now,

1348
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 5: but her idea of love at the time was manipulating people,

1349
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 5: because that's all she.

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Speaker 3: Ever knew, that's right.

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01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 2: And then also she did Gypsy Rose did try to

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01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 2: escape this hell that she was in. And I don't

1353
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: use the term hell lightly again. You're being tortured by

1354
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: medical by surgeries you don't need. So she attempted to

1355
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Speaker 2: escape in twenty eleven, but immediately Mom DEDI tracked her

1356
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 2: down and she was punished. And it wasn't until four

1357
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 2: years later that she then that Gypsy Rose then enlisted

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Speaker 2: her online boyfriend into murdering.

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Speaker 5: He traveled to her home in I think Missouri, right, Missouri,

1360
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Speaker 5: I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: He traveled yep.

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Speaker 2: So during they had a two year Gypsy Rose and

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01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: her online boyfriend, Nicholas, they had a two year relationship

1364
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 2: and to kill her ultimately, and that was with the

1365
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,879
Speaker 2: hopes of Gypsy Rose being free and then being together.

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Speaker 2: And he traveled to Missouri. He ultimately did stab d

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Speaker 2: D seventeen times in her sleep. Gypsy Rose hid in

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Speaker 2: her bedroom, and.

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Speaker 5: You know, they released those crime scene photos of vd's murder,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's when the tide started shifting for

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Speaker 5: Gypsy Rose, when people saw how brutal the attack was

1372
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 5: like with their own eyes. And I think that's when

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01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 5: the public started kind of shifting a little bit in

1374
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 5: their opinion of Gypsy Rose, because remember when she was released,

1375
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 5: everyone was like, yeah, Gypsy, go Gypsy, And she was

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 5: talking about her husband, Oh yeah, he does me well,

1377
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 5: and you know whatever, being kind of vulgar and you know,

1378
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 5: playing up her popularity. And now she wants to rebrand.

1379
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 5: She doesn't like it, right, she doesn't like that. Now

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01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 5: she wants to be the scene as this professional mother

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01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 5: doing whatever business she's going to be doing. I'm not

1382
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 5: going to promote it, but you know, she she wants

1383
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 5: What did she say? I decided to shift gears because

1384
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 5: I got tired of people constantly trying tying my name

1385
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 5: to my past. I started to crave a more private

1386
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:21,560
Speaker 5: life and wanted to redirect my energy. Okay, okay, interesting.

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Speaker 2: You know what do you guys think? Eight A eight

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01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 2: three one crime. We would love to hear your thoughts

1389
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: on Gypsy Rose and are based on the talk back.

1390
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 2: How you think you know, she has been treated publicly

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01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 2: between her and the Menendez brothers, And I don't know.

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01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 3: I got to say, I'm a.

1393
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 2: Little suspicious of a public announcement about wanting a private

1394
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 2: life versus kind of quietly going ahead.

1395
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think she I think she was fine

1396
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 5: having this very public life when she was like going

1397
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 5: on all these talk shows and getting all this attention

1398
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 5: and millions and millions of views on her social media's

1399
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 5: that were you know, she's raking in the cash. And

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Speaker 5: then she went through this breakup with her boyfriend or

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01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 5: her husband, I'm sorry, and started dating the guy that

1402
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 5: she really loved and of course had a baby with him.

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01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 5: She loved all that. But when the public started shifting

1404
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 5: a little bit, going, oh, Gypsy, you know, you're a

1405
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 5: little bit of a scallywag, you know, I think that's

1406
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 5: when she was, you know, I don't know, I just

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 5: pull it out, you know. I think the I think

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01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 5: she started being like, well, maybe this this attention isn't

1409
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 5: so great. And now she's got a daughter, right, she's

1410
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 5: got a little baby. You know, congratulations to her for

1411
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 5: that beautiful little girl, and she's probably just like, yeah,

1412
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 5: this isn't the life for me. Maybe it's just growing

1413
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 5: up too. Who knows, Maybe it's just her. It could

1414
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 5: coming of age.

1415
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 2: And entering society, being in society, which arguably she never was.

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01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 3: I mean, she was entrapped in her mother's house and

1417
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 3: she had a.

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01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 5: Sneak on the internet. Remember she had that lap top

1419
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 5: and then like her she would have that phone and

1420
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 5: she her mom didn't know about it. Yeah, she she

1421
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,799
Speaker 5: really had a very sheltered life. I mean in her Listen,

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01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that Dede was a great mother in

1423
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 5: that Gypsy didn't have the best childhood obviously obviously, yes,

1424
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 5: you know, but she I just feel like, you know,

1425
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 5: she maybe could have run it, or you've tried to

1426
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 5: stay away, told her dad what was going on something.

1427
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah right, all right, listen, And I know you said

1428
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 2: that you're not going to promote her business, but taha,

1429
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 2: do you know what this business is?

1430
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just curious.

1431
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 7: At this point, it looks like she has a blown

1432
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 7: beauty art so it's some sort of artistic technique she

1433
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 7: uses to blow dry hair, some sort of blow dryer art.

1434
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 3: I think it more all right, Okay.

1435
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 2: As a reminder, if you missed any part of the show,

1436
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 2: you can always catch us on the podcast, and we

1437
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: always want to hear from you, so you can catch

1438
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 2: us on socials. We're at True Crime Tonight's Show on

1439
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 2: TikTok and Instagram and True Crime Tonight on Facebook. And

1440
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 2: then also if you're listening to the podcast, you can

1441
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 2: also call it any time. It doesn't have to be

1442
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 2: live on the radio because we have a voicemail set

1443
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 2: up and we will get your message and you'll be

1444
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 2: on the show that way. So anyway, it's kind of cool,

1445
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 2: lots of different ways.

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01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 5: That one's actually pretty popular. With the voicemails. I've been

1447
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 5: pretty happy with them. Yeah, I'm stoked about it. Yeah

1448
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 5: I am.

1449
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 3: We'll come in and.

1450
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 5: They're like, oh, we have six voicemails and I'm like,

1451
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 5: oh my god, yay. Yeah, it's great. I love it fabulous.

1452
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 3: Oh.

1453
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: Also, we wanted to clarify, so at the very end,

1454
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 2: I got morbidly curious and asked Taha about Gypsy roses business, and.

1455
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was incorrect. I mentioned the word hair with

1456
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 7: her blow dry her company. It's blown beauty art and

1457
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 7: I saw the word blow dryer, so I assumed hair.

1458
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 7: But the correction is she applies acrylic paint to a

1459
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 7: canvas manipulates it with a blow dryer, so it gives

1460
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 7: it some sort of a unique abstract look. And in

1461
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 7: her own words, this art gives me peace and it

1462
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 7: kind of centers me. So correction about that.

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01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 3: Good.

1464
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 2: Well, whatever moved you, whatever, I'll leave it there. I

1465
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 2: think you had an update.

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01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 3: For us body.

1467
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 5: Well, do you guys, did you guys watch that documentary

1468
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 5: Chimp Crazy?

1469
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:25,480
Speaker 7: Loved it?

1470
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 5: I so did Indian and I watched it. We were like,

1471
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 5: we couldn't stop watching it. Well, Tanya Haddocks, she was

1472
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 5: featured in that documentary. She was the one that was

1473
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 5: hiding the chimp.

1474
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 3: Uh huhh.

1475
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 5: She's fifty five years old. She's an exotic animal broker,

1476
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 5: and she was convicted for lying to the federal judge

1477
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 5: about the death of her Champanzee Tonka, who was also

1478
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 5: featured in this documentary, whom she was hiding in her basement. Haddock,

1479
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 5: who calls herself the Dolly Parton of Chimps, pled guilty

1480
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 5: to perjury and obstruction of justice in March, and was

1481
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 5: arrested in July for harboring yet another ape and her

1482
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 5: misery home. Well, she was sentenced today to forty six

1483
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 5: months in prison, and I'm telling you right now, she

1484
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 5: deserves every second of it period.

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01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:14,799
Speaker 7: I'm with you one hundred percent. I saw the treatment

1486
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 7: of Tonka and that documentary, and she deserves it.

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01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 5: I believe she absolutely loves these these animals, I do.

1488
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 5: I believe she loves them, but she loves them like

1489
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 5: to death right, very inappropriate. I don't think they were

1490
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 5: treated well. They were obviously not being well maintained. I

1491
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 5: just don't listen in any capacity. I don't like wild

1492
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 5: animals in cages in any capacity. They shouldn't be in

1493
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 5: cagu they shouldn't be in cagous. They shouldn't be in cageous. However,

1494
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 5: if they are, they need to be treated a certain way.

1495
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,799
Speaker 5: And she was feeding them like big macs.

1496
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

1497
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 2: Like it If they are in a cage, which I

1498
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 2: agree with you, they should not be in someone's basement.

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01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 3: There's no universe in which a chimp live in their

1500
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 3: best life.

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01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 5: These are social animals. These are you know, they live

1502
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,759
Speaker 5: in with their families. Yeah, they live with other chimps.

1503
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 5: They're not meant to be alone. Imagine being in solitary

1504
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 5: confinement your entire life. We do that to people who

1505
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 5: kill people, you know, and we're doing these to chimps,

1506
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 5: the smart animals. No, I'm against it. I don't like it.

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01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 5: And she lied about his location because she's a selfish

1508
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 5: be And I'm glad she got put in prison.

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01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 3: I wish you could speak your momd body.

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01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 5: I really, that's the one thing I'll never be accused

1511
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 5: of is not telling you how I feel exactly, exactly

1512
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 5: how do you feel? Let us know, Let us know.

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Speaker 5: Even if he disagrees me, I want to hear it.

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Speaker 2: We love being with you, guys, and we will be

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01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: back on Sunday, and thank goodness, we will be back

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01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 2: with Stephanie Lydecker and we will also have Joseph Scott

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01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 2: Morgan with us. Have a beautiful weekend, Keep safe and

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01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 2: good night.

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Speaker 5: Good night,