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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, Welcome to move to stacks, DJ, Bucky,

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Speaker 2: Rhett back with you. So much ground to cover today,

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Speaker 2: so fired up to get this thing started. And I

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Speaker 2: a lot of. That's a great Thursday night football matchup

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Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks the Dallas Cowboys. Man, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: the line in the NFC playoff picture. It's pretty pretty

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Speaker 2: muddied up here. A big game for both these teams. Buck,

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Cowboys and a team that's found

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Speaker 2: their rhythm a little bit here on both sides of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they certainly have found their rhythm, and they certainly

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Speaker 3: have The schedule gave them a break, and so they're

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Speaker 3: take on the team that should give them a stern test.

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Speaker 3: What I love about what the Cowboys have been doing

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Speaker 3: of a Dak Prescott has gotten in a rhythm. He's

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Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb has had a big impact.

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Speaker 3: Brandon Coats has started to step up and they have

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Speaker 3: been able to jump out in front and then they're

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Speaker 3: running the ball out in the second half. And that's

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Speaker 3: the way that Mike McCarthy envisions this team having to

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Speaker 4: So I like it.

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Speaker 3: And as long as they able to turn the ball

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Speaker 3: a chance. But right now, man, one of the hottest

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, And I think, you know, looking at

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at this Dallas Cowboy team real quick, going

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Speaker 2: Forty three twenty three, nine thirty three, forty five. That's

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Speaker 2: Just look what he's done with Deron Bland, developing young

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Speaker 2: Ratt, I'm gonna give some bad news to the Seahawks

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Speaker 2: fans if you haven't looked into the future here, this

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Speaker 4: That's bad news.

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Speaker 5: And look they I mean you look at some of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a rough road. We went over the Rams,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you guys mentioned the running backs and the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how about this one?

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Speaker 2: How about Noah Brown one year, two pump six million

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Speaker 2: this this discussion up. You know, I think some teams

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Speaker 4: But I mean, it's not a mystery to me that a.

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Speaker 2: because Howie Roseman exhausts all those avenues. He doesn't just,

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Speaker 2: We are looking at the Denver Broncos and the defensive

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Speaker 2: Five to five and oh thirty three points a game

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Speaker 2: This is a It shouldn't be a surprise they're playing

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Speaker 3: It's exactly what we expected. And this is where coaching

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Speaker 4: And what you're seeing is a team that.

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Speaker 4: So it's a group that has a lot of talent.

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Speaker 3: On top of that, not only did he was he

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Speaker 4: That's what everybody wants to see.

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Speaker 3: It's really worked out well in Delorah.

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Speaker 4: Guys were getting ready to wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: I want to end this episode on a real positive note.

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Speaker 5: I mean you want to talk about low blows?

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Speaker 4: We got what I mean? We have to actually go

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Speaker 2: But Buck, we'll talk about it on a day when

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Speaker 4: Carolina, You guys just wait, sorry, you just wait.

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Speaker 5: You get to Okay, you wait for this turnaround?

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, you just wait. It's coming well, camp

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Speaker 4: camera's coming back. Can't bring back. We got it, we

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Speaker 5: We'll find it.

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Speaker 2: I hope you've enjoyed it more than Red has, and

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