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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: Friday edition of the Clay Travis end Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: gets going right now and we have much to discuss.

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Speaker 2: You have another strike on a suspected cartel drug vessel

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Speaker 2: off the coast of Venezuela and the Caribbean. This time

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Speaker 2: around there are survivors. I think this was an undersea

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Speaker 2: meaning submersible like a It's like a submarine, but just

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Speaker 2: a few feet below the surface.

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Speaker 1: That's my understanding.

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Speaker 2: So we will talk a bit more about what's going

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Speaker 2: on with this war, a real war on drug It's

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Speaker 2: not just a metaphorical war on drugs.

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Speaker 1: This is real war on drug stuff.

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk to our friend, former Davy Seal Dave

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Speaker 2: Rutherford about this later on. He well, he knows about

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Speaker 2: special operations for sure. He's also a host in the

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Speaker 2: Clay and Buck podcast network, so we'll have a conversation

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Speaker 2: with him.

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Speaker 1: We've also gotten Nicole Parker in the third hour.

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Speaker 2: She's a former FBI agent, and we'll talk to her

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Speaker 2: about everything going on over at the bureau, the Kombe indictment,

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Speaker 2: and also, yes, the big news story of the day today,

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Speaker 2: which is the indictment of former National Security advisor Bolton.

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Speaker 2: So John Bolton is now facing a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: charges relating to transmission of and retention of national defense information.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be already play. It's a case

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Speaker 2: that has a lot of people speaking about the politics involved,

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Speaker 2: and they're talking about this whole situation as though it

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Speaker 2: is just Trump doing things that he shouldn't be doing.

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Speaker 1: And trying to settle scores.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I read the indictment and it primarily relates to

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Speaker 2: John Bolton going home from his job as National Security Advisor,

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Speaker 2: where you see you can see anything near the National

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Speaker 2: Security Advisor, meaning you're cleared for the most sensitive compartmented stuff,

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Speaker 2: covert actions in foreign countries, very sensitive collection methods, you know,

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Speaker 2: you name it, right, I mean the nuclear arsenal, whatever

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Speaker 2: you want to know. When you're NSA, you can know,

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Speaker 2: and you are seeing that stuff on a daily basis.

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Speaker 2: Bolton was going home Clay while he was serving as

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Speaker 2: Trump's National Security Advisor and writing a diary of all

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Speaker 2: of his conversations so that he could put it in

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Speaker 2: a book. Now, that is bizarre behavior. And I would

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Speaker 2: tell you that if I had a friend in the

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Speaker 2: national security world who said, hey, I've got a plan.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to just sit and classified briefings and reclassified

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to relay what I I mean, when

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Speaker 2: I was at CIA, they said, you don't talk to

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Speaker 2: your family about what we're doing here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they brought it to me. By the way, not

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Speaker 1: having been in the CIA, it seems like that's kind

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Speaker 1: of important for top secret information. Like when I would

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Speaker 1: go home if I got a call from my mom

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Speaker 1: when I and I was just a lowly analyst, but

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Speaker 1: if I got a call from my mom, I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, mom, we're working on this this sensitive counter

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Speaker 1: terrorism platform and we're gonna be able to blow up

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Speaker 1: bad guys in this province because of it. And man,

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Speaker 1: I hit some bureaucracy on that one, like no, you

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Speaker 1: don't do that. Now they're saying in the indictment that

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Speaker 2: He was relaying Clay would be classified up to the

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Speaker 2: top secret sci compartmented level. So I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: they're saying, it's very sensitive stuff. And they lay out, now,

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Speaker 2: this is interesting. You can't see the information right because

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Speaker 2: then you're they're sharing classify with everybody. So there's a

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Speaker 2: little bit of taking the government's word for it that

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Speaker 2: actually not that sensitive. So that's going to be one

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Speaker 2: of the ways they fight on this. The other thing

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Speaker 2: marked classified documents in his home, but essentially the primary

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Speaker 1: So this is one of those things where it's almost

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Speaker 1: not that complicated of a case to prove it would

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen there are eighteen counts brought in this indictment.

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Speaker 1: Unlike we saw with Letitia James, and unlike we saw

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Speaker 1: oh my goodness, this is a unbelievable act by Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's because one, this investigation started under

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Speaker 1: As soon as they realized that Joe Biden had classified documents,

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Speaker 1: though Trump had been the president to talk about how

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Speaker 1: this was an unbelievable jeopardy of national security and this

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Speaker 1: And then you remember when they found out that Biden

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Speaker 1: had all these classified documents, not just in his home

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Speaker 1: The idea that classified documents and having them was a

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Speaker 1: crime that was one of the greatest that could be

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Speaker 1: And so I think they were smart enough to recognize

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Speaker 1: they couldn't prosecute John Bolton because Joe Biden has had

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Speaker 1: his own classified documents. But this was an investigation that

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Speaker 1: to a large extent, was taking place while Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: the early morning raid, which now we know it appears

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Speaker 1: they found documents that are indicative of crimes being committed.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like everybody's lining up to argue this

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Speaker 2: I would tell you the Wall Street Journal, to my surprise,

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Speaker 2: Yes, Wall Street Journal has been breaking with Trump on

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Speaker 2: Bit bitter over there because their consensus on trade stuff

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Speaker 1: So there's that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they went all in on defense of John

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Speaker 2: of the Trump administration. Now it's interesting because the Biden

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Speaker 2: and you know, let's let's let this keep going. The

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Speaker 2: going to be a couple of things. One and I

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Speaker 2: see different things on this. If he had marked classified

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Speaker 1: To really defend. For your perspective, Trump's defense was I'm president,

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Speaker 1: so I can declassify anything. Now people try to argue

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Speaker 1: that as a potential defense.

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Speaker 2: Direc there's no defense of he had a skiff. This

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Speaker 2: comes up in the indictment, a secure compartmented information facility,

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Speaker 2: a little secure room where he was allowed to have classified.

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Speaker 2: And and he also got hacked by the Iranians, I

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Speaker 2: in this too. This is all the indictment. But he

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Speaker 2: then he wasn't when the skiff, when he no longer

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Speaker 2: had that government job. This skiff essentially goes away, as

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Speaker 2: does your right to have any classified documents at home. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so what he's going to say is my recollections of

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Speaker 2: So clearly it's not classified information in some cases or

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Speaker 2: goes to what Komy did as well. Contemporaneous notes of

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Speaker 2: or aren't necessarily classified?

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Speaker 1: Right, So let me, let me, let me pause you there,

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Speaker 1: because I this is me putting on my lawyer hat.

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Speaker 1: If I can't take the actual classified documents out because

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Speaker 1: explain if everybody out there listening, if my yellow legal

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Speaker 2: The fundamentally the information is what is classified, correct, It

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Speaker 2: is not the marketing. And this came up with the

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Speaker 2: mark classified. Now in Hillary's case, they were xeroxing classified

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Speaker 2: this case. Both In is going to say, the things

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Speaker 2: Therefore nothing is actually like he's just going to argue

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Speaker 2: the information isn't classified, and this becomes a tough case

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Speaker 1: Now, I think the jury will be able to see this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Some have never been involved in a

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Speaker 2: be a great mayor? Yeah, sure he would. Really, he'd

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Speaker 2: be so much better. But we got to look at

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Speaker 2: the political reality as it is here. And you said,

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Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a former New Yorker, which the the

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Speaker 2: Gertrude Stein thing. America is my country, but Paris is

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Speaker 2: my home. It feels like Florida is my state, but

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Speaker 2: New York City is my hometown. You know that's I

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Speaker 2: feel like a Floridian at the state level. But I

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Speaker 2: still have much more of a connection to New York

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Speaker 2: City than I do to Miami specifically. That may change

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Speaker 2: in time, But so maybe I'm a New Yorker in

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Speaker 2: exile in some way. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: down here are actually Clay. I think what you need

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Speaker 2: to do is have Cuomo offer I was gonna say, Mom, Donnie,

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Speaker 2: that's not good. Gonna have Cuomo offer Sliwa maybe a

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Speaker 2: deputy mayor role with the portfolio of public safety, which

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Speaker 2: would also go toward the fact that Cuomo is the

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Speaker 2: jail break.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the problem here is Cuomo is awful too.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually not getting the fact that he's considered in

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Speaker 1: any way to be the savior. Is how bad of

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Speaker 1: a position that New York City has put itself in.

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Speaker 2: I am not that convinced that Cuomo would be a

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Speaker 2: lot better than mom. Do Do I think he'd be

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Speaker 2: better than Mam Donnie. Yeah, I'm not convinced he'd be

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Speaker 2: a lot better than Mam Donni. So that's why it's

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Speaker 2: very hard for me to even I think the mentality is,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I'm not gonna do what the Left

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Speaker 2: does with like a Hitler thing, but like, oh, that

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Speaker 2: Hitler guy's awful. Thank god, we've got Stalin on our side,

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Speaker 2: you know, Like there's a little bit of that going

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Speaker 2: on here.

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Speaker 1: Stalin was really bad too. Uh So I think that Cuomo.

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Speaker 2: Is Stalin in this analogy, And I think that it's

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Speaker 2: very hard for Sliwa to see this as anything other

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Speaker 2: than maybe a miracle happens. But I can't let this

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Speaker 2: be left to Cuomo either. But if you if you

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Speaker 2: want it to not be Mam donnie, he's got to

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Speaker 2: get some deal going, and he's got to drop out,

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Speaker 2: and why he won't drop out, I don't know. He's

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Speaker 2: not going to be mayor unless a meteor hits the

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Speaker 2: world and something completely unforeseeable happens.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me give you a positive side of this,

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Speaker 1: because mam Donnie's gonna win. I want all of you

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Speaker 1: to be prepared for this. I know the guy we

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Speaker 1: had call in who was all angry at me for

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Speaker 1: telling you this. This is not the polls trying to

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Speaker 1: tell you a story. This is Mamdanni is gonna win

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Speaker 1: because the Mamdanni opposition is going to be split between

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Speaker 1: Sliwa and Cuomo. Could be beneficial. Let me give you

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Speaker 1: a positive New York angle. Could be beneficial for Elised Stephonic,

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Speaker 1: who is running to try to beat Kathy Hokel in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. In fact, this is what Elis Stephonic

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Speaker 1: just put out. The New York Times was upset that

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Speaker 1: Elis Stephonics said that that Mamdanni is a Jihattist. They

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Speaker 1: said that this is islamophobic of Elis Stephonic And this

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Speaker 1: is her response, which I like. I called Zorn Mamdani

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Speaker 1: a Jihatis because he is Mamdanni is a raging anti Semite.

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Speaker 1: Mam Donnie is the definition of a jihadist as he

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Speaker 1: supports Hamas terrorist, which he did as recently as yesterday

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Speaker 1: when he refused to call for Hamas Terris to put

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Speaker 1: down their arms, the same Hamas terrorist group that slaughtered civilians,

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Speaker 1: including New Yorkers on October seven, twenty twenty three. He

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Speaker 1: is Kathy Hokeels endorsed jiehattest communist who she is empowered

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Speaker 1: to destroy New York City. It's why the New York

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Speaker 1: State Democratic Party chair refuses to support him. It's why

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Speaker 1: multiple Democrat members of Congress refuse to support him. It's

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Speaker 1: why Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries have still not endorsed

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Speaker 1: him because Zron is a jihadist who will destroy New York.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, now, that's a pretty good response from elist Stefani.

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Speaker 1: I think that not only could it benefit her in

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Speaker 1: the governor's race if Mamdanni is in, certainly, I think

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Speaker 1: it's massively beneficial to her point, There's a reason Akiem

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Speaker 1: Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, who are also New York City guys,

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Speaker 1: have not come on board with Mamdani. So I am

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Speaker 1: circling back to I'm gonna look at this as a positive,

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Speaker 1: as a glass half full situation. Yes, New York is

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Speaker 1: gonna drown, but the rest of us are going to

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Speaker 1: be in much better position. So kiss to New Yorkers,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I'm just gonna continue to float away on

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Speaker 1: my life vest while you guys go under the water

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Speaker 1: in the icy waters.

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Speaker 2: I just think I think there's room. I think there's

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Speaker 2: room for Jack on that door. And Rose needs to

521
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Speaker 2: just you know, suck it in a little bit here

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Speaker 2: and make some space. So New York, I'm not I'm

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Speaker 2: not letting you just go down into the icy depths

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Speaker 2: of communism without a fight. All right, mister Nashville over here,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a Nashville New York rivalry. He

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Speaker 2: has no problem with New York turning into something.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be fine. Tennessee's fine, Florida is fine where

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Speaker 1: I am right now. New York, I'm gonna be up

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Speaker 1: there with you on Monday. But yeah, you're kind of screwed.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's all gonna be okay.

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Speaker 2: But maybe this is finally the uh, the sanity that

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Speaker 2: needs to happen. Unfortunately, through a degree of pain that

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Speaker 2: will allow at least to Phonic to be not just competitive,

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Speaker 2: but maybe win against Kathy Hochel. That's a positive, I

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Speaker 2: do think. I think someone like hokel Well, the thing

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Speaker 2: that she would have relied on in previous elections to

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Speaker 2: stay in office would have been the abortion issue in

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Speaker 2: New York. I think that's going to be largely off

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Speaker 2: that it's not off the table. They're going to try

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Speaker 2: to make a thing of it, but people don't care

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Speaker 2: that much. It doesn't move the needle the way that

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Speaker 2: they would need it to. So I think at least

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Speaker 2: a Phonic will be very competitive on the economy and

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Speaker 2: on public safety statewide, and just also running a saner,

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Speaker 2: better government in New York, which it could certainly have,

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Speaker 2: as we love, we love to say New York has

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Speaker 2: fewer people than Florida and double the budget and worse

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Speaker 2: public services. So someone has to explain how that's not

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Speaker 2: the clearest indicator imaginable of the misappropriation or misallocation of

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Speaker 2: funds that's going on a New York and a regular basis. Mom, Donnie,

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Speaker 2: I also want to note play said this was cut fourteen.

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Speaker 2: He apologized to NYPD officers, But I want you to

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Speaker 2: listen very closely to.

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Speaker 1: The the way that he says it. Play fourteen.

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Speaker 6: I apologize for the language that I used, and I

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Speaker 6: spoke to them about the fact that I want to

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Speaker 6: work with them to deliver public safety because what we're

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Speaker 6: seeing in this city right now is we're asking officers

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Speaker 6: to do nearly everything we can think.

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Speaker 5: Of police officers that I spoke to, they don't want

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Speaker 5: a behind closed doors apology.

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Speaker 7: They want a broad public apology for the things that

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Speaker 7: you suggested about them.

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Speaker 5: Will you do that right now?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I'll apologize to police officers right here, because this

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Speaker 6: is the apology that I've been sharing with many rank

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Speaker 6: and file officers. And I apologize because of the fact

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Speaker 6: that I'm looking to work with these officers, and I

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Speaker 6: know that these officers, these men and women who serve

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Speaker 6: in the NYPD, they put their lives on the line

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Speaker 6: every single day.

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Speaker 2: I apologize for the language I used. I apologize because

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Speaker 2: the cops are great. He's saying here, But what he's

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Speaker 2: not doing is apologizing for jumping on the bandwagon of

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Speaker 2: cops are racist and cause all of the problems in

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Speaker 2: our cities because of that racism, and therefore we need

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Speaker 2: to pull funding from them, which makes everybody less safe,

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Speaker 2: including and specifically minority residence. Right, Like it's it's it's

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Speaker 2: a hollow apology, clays.

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Speaker 1: It feels like, yeah, apologize. It's almost like.

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Speaker 2: When and you know where I'm going with this one

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Speaker 2: with your wife. I'm sorry if that upset you.

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Speaker 1: Oh not good? Or rather I'm sorry you took it

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Speaker 1: that way. Mmm, No, you know what I mean. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you were offended by that. Like, that's

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Speaker 1: not really what they want to hear. Yeah, the tone

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Speaker 1: of your voice, tone of you. It's not what you said,

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Speaker 1: it's the tone of your voice. Why are you yelling?

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Speaker 1: I'm not yelling. This is how I talk every husband

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Speaker 1: out there slowly nodding. I'm having flashbacks right now. I'm

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Speaker 1: a little traumatized just hearing you say this. This is

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Speaker 1: Let's play a little bit more of these, mind let

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Speaker 1: me play this as we go to break, and then

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Speaker 1: let's talk about this. Because Public Transit producer Ali, I

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Speaker 1: think some of the other crew rides public transit in

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Speaker 1: New York and they now are going to try to

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Speaker 1: make public transit free for everybody. Here's the problem. The

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Speaker 1: issue is safety and cleanliness, it's not cost cut and

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Speaker 1: making it free for everybody to me is not going

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Speaker 1: to make safety better, and it's not going to make

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Speaker 1: the cleanliness of the experience better. Cut eleven. Just going

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Speaker 1: to raise tax rates and everything's going to be free.

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Speaker 1: This is what he's going to do. It's again New York,

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Speaker 1: you're going to sink underneath the waters. But the rest

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Speaker 1: of us, we're going to be great. We've got nice

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Speaker 1: life rafts. Cut eleven.

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Speaker 7: The question is how you'll make them free.

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Speaker 6: We will fund the revenue that would have otherwise been

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Speaker 6: brought in from fares, and that's something that we would

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Speaker 6: do in partnership with Albany. And I've put forward two proposals.

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Speaker 6: The first is to raise taxes on the top one

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Speaker 6: percent of New Yorkers by two percent. That would raise

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Speaker 6: four billion dollars. The second is to raise the safe's

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Speaker 1: Home there you go, just going to tax everybody. It's buses.

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Speaker 1: But how many people out there think to themselves, Hey,

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Speaker 1: as he is welcoming Zelenski clad in a black suit

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Speaker 1: for those of you who are sarctorially inclined, not in

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Speaker 1: his green fatigues and T shirt. Just FYI. So they

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Speaker 1: have begun that meeting. We will see what news, if any,

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Speaker 1: emerges from that discussion. We bring in now David Rutherford.

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Speaker 1: Excited to have him as a part of the Clay

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Speaker 1: and Buck podcast network. He's doing fabulous work. You should

658
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Speaker 1: go subscribe to his podcast. Make sure that you're on

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Speaker 1: top of everything. In sort of military and door kicking,

660
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Speaker 1: bad ass worldview, and he is with us. Now, okay,

661
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Speaker 1: we've seen all of the blown up boats that are

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Speaker 1: happening off the coast in the Caribbean area, off the

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Speaker 1: coast of Venezuela. There has been talked. Trump has talked

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Speaker 1: about it. CIA may be covertly attempting to attack the

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Speaker 1: regime of major there, the person who stole power according

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Speaker 1: to most analysis of the election there. What should we

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Speaker 1: know about Venezuela? Where do you think it's headed? Are

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Speaker 1: we going to have boots on the ground? Is the

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Speaker 1: Maduro regime in your mind in danger? David Rutherford, Hey, thank.

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Speaker 3: You guys so much for having me on. That was

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Speaker 3: a hell to intro. I appreciate that. I believe where

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Speaker 3: what we need to do is look at the nexuses

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Speaker 3: of power that are emerging through the Venezuelan developments. Right,

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Speaker 3: You've got China who's invested over sixty billion dollars into loans, infrastructure,

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Speaker 3: everything you can think of. You've got coordinated relationships potentially

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Speaker 3: with Mexican cartels. Just recently we had a Mexican cartels

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Speaker 3: issue basically headhunting fees on certain border patrols and then

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Speaker 3: I also think you have probably a large portion of

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Speaker 3: the population after the last election fiasco with Machado, that

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Speaker 3: is probably primed and wants to change. So all of

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Speaker 3: these things converging into I think the posture that we're

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Speaker 3: representing right now. I mean, what three D fifty two's

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Speaker 3: We've got ten thousand troops, We've got soft guys. There's

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Speaker 3: definitely agency folks working down there. So what happens next,

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Speaker 3: I think is going to be dependent upon Maduro's actions.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the funniest thing I saw in the last

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Speaker 3: few hours was one of their naval ships ran abrown

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Speaker 3: and sunk. So I'm not sure anybody's not good right,

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Speaker 3: So all of that, you know, I think we're things

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Speaker 3: are heating up for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Venezuela's Maduro regime has just ordered military exercises, by

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Speaker 2: the way, which I got to say, I guess if

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Speaker 2: you are the you're the tinpot dictator of Venezuela. Now,

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Speaker 2: ru you got to make it seem like you got

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Speaker 2: muscles to flex. But if I were this guy, if

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Speaker 2: I were Maduro, I might well, I'm sure he already

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Speaker 2: has stash cash in uh where are the places people

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Speaker 2: do it? Like the Cook Islands or the Channel Islands

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Speaker 2: or whatever. But if I were him, I would have

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Speaker 2: my If I were Maduro, I would have my go

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Speaker 2: bag ready and an exit plan.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he can go get an apartment next door to

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Speaker 3: a sad playing video games over in Russia.

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Speaker 1: Wait, can I just jump in there?

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Speaker 2: When I read that rut all I wanted to know

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Speaker 2: in that article just ever Understandce the longtime dictator of Syria.

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Speaker 2: There was a report that came out that he's just

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Speaker 2: hanging out in a luxury Moscow apartment playing video games

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Speaker 2: all day?

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Speaker 1: Is it call of duty? Like what? I want to know?

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Speaker 1: What the video game is? FIFA? Maybe?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, roadblocks?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think what's interesting is you have people

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Speaker 3: that capture power in the way they did. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if either of you saw the deposition

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Speaker 3: from the gentleman relative Tina Peters was putting it out

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Speaker 3: relative to his work at Smart Mattic and the specific

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Speaker 3: development of that operating system to capture the elections thirty

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Speaker 3: years ago or whatever it was. And and you know,

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Speaker 3: I think when you have somebody that drives the country

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Speaker 3: into the ground, eventually, what happens the people began to

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Speaker 3: rise up, and we certainly saw that in the last

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Speaker 3: election and then the crackdown that came over. You know, yes,

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Speaker 3: this idea of citizen warfare. We saw what was a

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Speaker 3: couple of months ago, they were showing some promo stuff

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Speaker 3: of you know, tractor Bob and you know in the

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Speaker 3: Little ladyhold in the Aka learning how to fight, and

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Speaker 3: that's absurd. I just don't believe that this country is

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Speaker 3: willing to endure any more of what's been taking place

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Speaker 3: because you know, they're look at their inflation, look at

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Speaker 3: their production, get their output. The only thing that saves them,

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Speaker 3: obviously is illegal drug traffic and probably some human trafficking

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Speaker 3: as well as you know, probably some arms traffic, but

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Speaker 3: it's oil and so, you know, before putting boots on

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Speaker 3: the ground, I'd love to see maybe a blockade or

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Speaker 3: something a little bit more giving them time to negotiate

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Speaker 3: or alter or come out with a position before we

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Speaker 3: start sending, you know, a young American women into fight

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Speaker 3: in Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: We're speaking to David Rutherford, former Navy seal, host of

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Speaker 2: the David Rutherford Show on the Clay and Buck podcast network,

743
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Speaker 2: which you should all be catching up on listening to

744
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: this weekend if you if you missed this week's episode

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Speaker 2: and and Rut you mentioned the cartels and how they've

746
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Speaker 2: put out bounties on members of US Border Patrol. We've

747
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Speaker 2: had multiple strikes now on on narco terrorist boats in

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Speaker 2: the Caribbean, lethal strikes right kinetics strike missile is basically

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Speaker 2: blown up ships. And we're moving more our military assets

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Speaker 2: into the region to do this. And when Joint Special

751
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Speaker 2: Operations gets involved here, when our operators are doing more

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Speaker 2: against these cartels, do you think the likelihood is they're

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Speaker 2: going to go on go to ground and try to

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Speaker 2: write it out or are they going to try to

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Speaker 2: escalate the violence in response to change the political calculation

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Speaker 2: here at home?

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Speaker 3: You know, that's the great question right iron Clad has had.

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Speaker 3: There's a woman who's a Mexican reporter who's talking about

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Speaker 3: she's doing on the ground interviews, you know, blacked out faces,

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Speaker 3: and they're saying, we're just going to wait it out.

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Speaker 3: But think about the magnitude of the impact of shutting

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Speaker 3: that border down. What does it cause? Right, It's a

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Speaker 3: lot of people. There's a guy named Oscar Ramirez that's

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Speaker 3: been reporting that there's a small civil war amongst the cartels,

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Speaker 3: grouping bit building. So you know, I think everybody's looking for,

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Speaker 3: you know, how do we recapture those those revenue streams

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Speaker 3: that we lost from human trafficking and probably a significant

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Speaker 3: portion of trafficking across the border, and so what what

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Speaker 3: do they have to lose other than you know, going kinetics.

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Speaker 3: So as a result of that, Yeah, there's a distinct

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Speaker 3: possibility that's this, you know, Jasock. I don't know about

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Speaker 3: typical soft units, the lower tier three units, but I

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Speaker 3: definitely think you know, Jasock combined with you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: some of the agency's assets or some of the you know,

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Speaker 3: counter narco assets within homeland. Yeah, they're they're going to

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Speaker 3: be ramping up their their mission profiles for sure.

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Speaker 1: Where does this go? All right, So we're and I

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Speaker 1: know you're trying to analyze this in general, but what

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Speaker 1: do you think the true end goal? Marco Rubio is

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Speaker 1: very very well informed with what's been going on in

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Speaker 1: venezuela former senator obviously now a Secretary of State, So

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Speaker 1: I would imagine that he's driving a large degree of

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Speaker 1: this inside of the White House. If the Trump team

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Speaker 1: had their ability to sort of wave their magic wand

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Speaker 1: what would they like to see happen in Venezuela. We

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Speaker 1: know they have unbelievable I think it's Chevron, primarily oil

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Speaker 1: and gas assets that used to be American owned. There

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Speaker 1: have been reports that Maduro basically is bending the knee

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Speaker 1: and saying, whatever you guys need, I'll give back to

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Speaker 1: you in terms of oil and gas assets. Is it

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Speaker 1: any kind of negotiation with him or do you think

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Speaker 1: he has to be gone in order for there to

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Speaker 1: be any sort of reconciliation between the United States and Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: Play That is the one thousand dollars question right there

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Speaker 3: right And I think Mark Rubio is a great guy

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Speaker 3: to be doing this. You know, he's been so integrated

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Speaker 3: into the Central South American political landscape, his Cuban ancestry

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Speaker 3: and just where he positions himself and has been for years.

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Speaker 3: So I think he's a great guy. I think they're

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Speaker 3: riding this incredible high of negotiations right now. Obviously the

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Speaker 3: the Ukraine Russia one is the one that escapes them,

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Speaker 3: but I think there might be a real willingness to,

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Speaker 3: you know, come in and try and negotiate some type

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Speaker 3: of deal, uh to to put the fires out, so

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Speaker 3: to speak, and that would be relative to regaining some

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Speaker 3: considerable you know, uh leverage on the oil industry because

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Speaker 3: that's the heartbeat of their whole country. However, you know,

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Speaker 3: you've got a very staunch influence coming from China again,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was looking up the numbers just you know,

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Speaker 3: this morning, and and it's pretty staggering what they've been doing.

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Speaker 3: So if they feel like they their exports can be

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Speaker 3: maintained through their China relationship or the Bricks relationship or

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Speaker 3: whatever that might be, I think they're you know, Madua

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Speaker 3: might be willing to save off any of the economic

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Speaker 3: pressures that he's already been doing so far. But I

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Speaker 3: I just think there's such a momentum. I mean that

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Speaker 3: that piece deal in Israel, I mean that is more

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Speaker 3: significant than anything I think we've seen in a long

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Speaker 3: long time. And the fact that you know, Machada wanted

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Speaker 3: to give her Nobel Peace Prize to Trump. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's this unique relationship that's been formed there. So I

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Speaker 3: think it's some kind of either deal with with like

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Speaker 3: you said, with the oil industry or some of those,

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Speaker 3: but it's also I would imagine pressure to hold new

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Speaker 3: elections with some perhaps some un oversight that that would

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Speaker 3: be something that would be truly a monumental feat for

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Speaker 3: Rubio in his team of you know, the newly found

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Speaker 3: ability to have diplomacy in our state department, which is

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Speaker 3: a pretty awesome thing to see.

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Speaker 2: Right, Just promise me that you're not going to do

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Speaker 2: a air Quote Guy weekend in air Quotes Columbia or

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Speaker 2: Seana And he like, don't get any ideas, buddy, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we need you to keep doing the podcast.

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Speaker 3: You saw what happened the last time the Green Beret

835
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Speaker 3: guy went down there and tried to do it right,

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Speaker 3: and you know, it was kind of funny, which is

837
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Speaker 3: kind of this hidden story a lot of people don't

838
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Speaker 3: talk about, is you know, they the last administration tried

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Speaker 3: to pin that on a bunch of Trump loyalists right

840
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Speaker 3: FBI investigations. They tried to really connect some true Trump loyalists,

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Speaker 3: people that are you know, involved in the government now

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Speaker 3: to participating and kind of that you know, random like

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Speaker 3: Kama Cozi We're going to take down. It was almost

844
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Speaker 3: like a bush League bay of pigs for Yasco for

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Speaker 3: the group thing.

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Speaker 1: It was like an eighties action movie plot, but it

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Speaker 1: was real.

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Speaker 3: It was totally real. And I have a lot of

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Speaker 3: friends that had to go talk to the Bureau as

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Speaker 3: a result of that. And so I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I I think the population is ripe for some influence,

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Speaker 3: but don't I don't know. And it seemed like the

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Speaker 3: military really coalesced around him to go after you know,

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Speaker 3: the opposition or whatever you want to call it, after

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Speaker 3: those elections, you know, and we saw Brazil was able

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Speaker 3: to do that. You know a lot of these other

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Speaker 3: kind of socialist countries were able to do that. And

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Speaker 3: so what I think it is is how are they

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Speaker 3: so confident that they can, you know, repress those uprisings?

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Speaker 3: And I think it's about a money issue. So where

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Speaker 3: is Venezuela getting the money to pay for their soldiers

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Speaker 3: at scale in support of knocking down these these you know,

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Speaker 3: organic uprisings, internal and organic with quotations obviously.

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Speaker 2: You're just getting a little, a little taste here, everybody

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Speaker 1: We are joined now by former FBI agent Nicole Parker.

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Speaker 2: She's got a new book out, The two fbis The

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Speaker 2: Bravery and Betrayal I saw in my time at the Bureaus.

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Speaker 2: You can go check out your copy of that one.

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Speaker 2: Nicole let's how are this one. You've looked at the

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Speaker 2: national security side of what the bureau does before many times.

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Speaker 2: What's your first read of Ambassador or former Ambassador Bolton

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Speaker 2: with this indictment on the classified information in his home.

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Speaker 7: I think it's a solid indictment. I think that this

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Speaker 7: is something that the FBI has likely been looking into

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Speaker 7: it for a very long period of time. But as

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Speaker 7: we know, having worked at the FBI, they pretty much

921
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Speaker 7: put the brakes on a lot of cases and investigations

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Speaker 7: that should have been indicted a long time ago under

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Speaker 7: the Biden administration. And so now we've got a fair

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Speaker 7: dj right, We've got Attorney General Pam Bondy, FBI Director

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Speaker 7: Cash Betel, and they're getting in there and they're actually

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Speaker 7: enforcing the law equally and fairly. And that's something very

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Speaker 7: foreign to us, especially at the FBI. We didn't see

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Speaker 7: a lot of that equal enforcement of the law. And

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Speaker 7: so let's see what happens. I mean, you know, they

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Speaker 7: always say that you can induide a hand sandwich, which

931
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Speaker 7: is true. You know, the threshold that you have to

932
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Speaker 7: meet is just probable cause, you know, as opposed to

933
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Speaker 7: proving beyond a reasonable DABTA trial, But based on my

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Speaker 7: understanding and what I've read, it's a very solid indictment.

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Speaker 1: How optimistic are you that things are starting to get

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Speaker 1: back on the right foot? Thanks for coming on with us.

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Speaker 1: You've got a book, You've spent time in the FBI,

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Speaker 1: You've told your story about why you went there on

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Speaker 1: the show before. Are you optimistic that things are changing

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Speaker 1: as it pertains to the culture that Cash and Dan

941
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: Bongino are trying to bring to bear, and what have

942
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Speaker 1: you seen if that is true to suggest to you

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Speaker 1: that it's happening.

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Speaker 7: Okay, that's a great question. And I wish that my

945
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 7: book could come out a year ago before the election,

946
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Speaker 7: but you know, we're a year late basically in my opinion.

947
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Speaker 7: But that's okay. It's perfect timing because I think what

948
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Speaker 7: it does is it details a lot of the frustrations

949
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Speaker 7: that I had working at the FBI, and I basically

950
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Speaker 7: represent the voice of FBI one, this solid FBI agents

951
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Speaker 7: who are just trying to do the good work as

952
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 7: opposed to the FBI to the politically and socially weaponized agents,

953
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Speaker 7: and I detail step by step things that I personally

954
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Speaker 7: was highly disturbed by and writing this book and seeing

955
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Speaker 7: the new administration come in, it's very I have to say,

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Speaker 7: I have hope because there are a lot of things

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00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 7: in that book that just drove us. We were so frustrated,

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Speaker 7: we were ticked off, we were angry. There was literally

959
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Speaker 7: like a civil war going on within the FBI, you know,

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00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 7: the two opposing sides, FBI one versus FBI two. And

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Speaker 7: as I've watched what Pam Bondi cash to tell, Dan

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Speaker 7: Bongino and others have done. Slowly but surely, it's going

963
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 7: to take time, but I am seeing things check. You know,

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Speaker 7: the diversity initiative that was going on at the Bureau,

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Speaker 7: it was off the charts. I mean, I started feeling

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Speaker 7: like I worked for a social justice warrior club rather

967
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Speaker 7: than the number one law enforcement agency in the world.

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Speaker 7: And they have completely obliterated those programs that in and

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00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 7: of itself is a huge plus for the Bureau. And

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Speaker 7: seeing these indictments coming out, you know, I'm kind of

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00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 7: sick and tired of people on the left saying, you know,

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00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 7: this is political retribution. Actually what this is is this

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00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 7: is accountability, and it's equal enforcement of the law, and

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Speaker 7: it's very long overdue, and so no, this is not

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Speaker 7: political retribution. This is what should have been happening all along.

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Speaker 7: And so these are examples, you know, seeing Jim Comey

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Speaker 7: get indicted, you know, watching John Bolton, people that were

978
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 7: fact that they were untouchable under the last administration. And frankly,

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Speaker 7: since all of this occurred, I say, for the last

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Speaker 7: at least ten years. Those are the steps that they're taking.

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Speaker 7: And then I think another really important thing is I think,

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00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 7: slowly but surely, they're rooting out the deep state from

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Speaker 7: the FBI. And that's a daunting task. I mean, this,

984
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Speaker 7: this didn't happen overnight. This what they've created, and the

985
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 7: mess that they're being asked to clean up. This has

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00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 7: been going on for over a decade, and so I

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Speaker 7: am hopeful and I think my book will be interesting

988
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 7: in the American people because I worked under Obama, Trump

989
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Speaker 7: and Biden, and I worked under multiple FBI directors and

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00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 7: to see the progress that they have made in such

991
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 7: a short period of time. I mean, they've captured four

992
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 7: people off of the FBI's most wanted list since January's

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Speaker 7: That's as many as Biden captured in four years. I mean,

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Speaker 7: it's pretty awesome, but it's going to take time. And

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Speaker 7: you know, it's just the reality of it. They've got

996
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 7: a lot to do, but they're working tirelessly. So I

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00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 7: feel I do feel a sense of hope. But I

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00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 7: do think my book is kind of something that they

999
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 7: can even use and say, look, how are we doing

1000
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 7: on this? How are we doing on that? But I

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00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 7: do think that they're making significant progress.

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Speaker 2: And one thing that I remember hearing Nicole when Comy

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Speaker 2: was the really, at one point in time, the chief

1004
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: of the hashtag resistance against Donald Trump, right he was

1005
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: this this big figure of admiration for MSNBC and the

1006
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: New York Times, was that when he got fired, there

1007
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: was this there was this story that was always being

1008
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: circulated by the Democrat media of oh my gosh, all

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Speaker 2: the agents are just crying in the hallways because Komy

1010
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: is gone. What's the truth of that?

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Speaker 1: Yes or no? Or what can you tell us?

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00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 7: Excellent question, And I'll tell you right now, that's what

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00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 7: my book's about. FBI one. We were cheering, celebrating because

1014
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 7: he's single handedly was the one that destroyed the FBI

1015
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 7: and frankly, it's never recovered. FBI one. Agents like myself

1016
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 7: were like, thank goodness, thank you, President Trump. This is

1017
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 7: absolutely justified. Get him out of here. FBI two. They

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00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 7: were the ones that were crying and so upset and

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00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 7: this is not fair. And they literally had mugs and

1020
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Speaker 7: T shirts in all this paraphernalia that said Komy's homies.

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Speaker 7: That's how you could tell it the bureau and it is.

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00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 7: It literally is like you're either on one side or

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Speaker 7: you're on the other. So I would say it's a

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Speaker 7: mixed right, I'd say if the FBI was probably fifty

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00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 7: to fifty. But it really did feel like an internal

1026
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 7: civil war, like you would think that you were working

1027
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 7: for two different agencies based on what side of the

1028
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Speaker 7: spectrum you are, and it really was and always based

1029
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Speaker 7: on politics either. I mean I worked with some outstanding agents.

1030
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 7: Why don't share political views with The key is can

1031
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 7: you put aside your political persuasions and do a fair

1032
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 7: and unbiased investigation? And frankly, many of these agents of

1033
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 7: FBI too were incapable of doing that. I mean, look

1034
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Speaker 7: at Peter Struckle, he's a page. Andrew mccabs James call me.

1035
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Speaker 7: The list goes on and on and on, and you'll

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Speaker 7: read in my book Cases where I worked to protect democrats,

1037
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 7: I didn't say, oh, you know, I'm not going to

1038
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 7: protect you because we don't share political views. That's not

1039
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 7: the way it works, that's not the way the law works.

1040
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 7: But unfortunately, that's how FBI two worked, and that's how

1041
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 7: they destroyed the agency.

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Speaker 1: How much should we be concerned, Nicole, Let's say that

1043
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: somehow the Democrats win back, and again this kind of

1044
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: goes to the culture. Are we in a world now

1045
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: where the FBI culture swings wildly based on who the

1046
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: president is? Or do you think the culture can be

1047
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: fixed where the president doesn't matter? In other words, right

1048
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: now everything's great. Trump's president. January twenty twenty nine, a

1049
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 1: Democrat comes in, Kamala Harris, AOC, Gavin Newsom, insert name here.

1050
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: How much should we be concerned that the culture just

1051
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: flips right back to what it was when it was broken.

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Speaker 7: That's a genuine concern. That's a concern that I personally have.

1053
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 7: Bringing back all of these social justice warrior clubs, the

1054
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 7: things that literally destroyed law enforcement agency work. Then they're

1055
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 7: going to say, Okay, well now we're going to go

1056
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 7: after these people. But that's why I think it's important

1057
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 7: that under this administration that these indictments is made perfectly clear.

1058
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 7: These are not political retribution indictments. These are what we

1059
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 7: call equal enforcement of the law. And that's what it

1060
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 7: has to be. It cannot be this ping pong. Oh,

1061
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 7: you know a Democrat, this is to happen a Republican's

1062
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 7: in charge. No, it literally has to be a political

1063
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 7: and lady justice must be blind. That's the goal. We'll

1064
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 7: see what happens, because I'm telling you right now, the

1065
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 7: Democrats they're just thinking, Oh, they're just going after all

1066
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Speaker 7: of you know, Trump's opponents. That's not what's happening at all.

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Speaker 7: They're finally enforcing should have been enforced a long time ago,

1068
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 7: and that's what Americans want to see. It should be

1069
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 7: fair and it should be unbiased. And for anyone to

1070
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 7: say that it was fair and unbiased under the Biden administration,

1071
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 7: it's completely that's just ridiculous. I mean, they went after

1072
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Speaker 7: President Trump like he was on the FBI's top ten

1073
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 7: most wanted list. I couldn't believe what I was experiencing. Again,

1074
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Speaker 7: I detailed things that I heard with my own two ears.

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Speaker 7: The rate at mar A Lago was an FBI in

1076
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Speaker 7: Miami's jurisdiction, which is where I was located. Hearing some

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Speaker 7: of the conversations, I'm like, I can't believe that this

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Speaker 7: is happening. Is this is not what we when we

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Speaker 7: raised our hand into the oaths, it was not to this.

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Speaker 7: We are sworn to protect the American people and uphold

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Speaker 7: the Constitution. And again, FBI one, they did it beautifully.

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Speaker 7: They're out there working violent crime, stopping human traffickers, and

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Speaker 7: I do I talk about some of the heroin cases.

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Speaker 7: My best friend the FBI was killed protecting children. Those

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Speaker 7: are heroes. There are good people there. But the other

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Speaker 7: half FBI two political nonsense.

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Speaker 2: And wait, what did they tell people if it was

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00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: what were they telling the agents had to put on

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Speaker 2: the famous or infamous windbreakers that we all think of

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Speaker 2: we think of FBI raids, that they were going to

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Speaker 2: essentially the President's residence at mar A Lago to grab

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Speaker 2: some dusty folders. How did they sell that one to

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Speaker 2: the FBI agents in your office?

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Speaker 7: Okay, so first of all, the raid jackets, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 7: on the cover of my book. I was not involved

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Speaker 7: at the raid of mar A Lago. But they there

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 7: wasn't like a big open discussion that it was going

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Speaker 7: to be happening. Okay there For instance, roger Stone, when

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Speaker 7: the roger Stone incident happened, they actually sent out what

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Speaker 7: we call a canvas and it was an email acting

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Speaker 7: people to volunteer for an arrest in for Lauderdale. But

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Speaker 7: they didn't specify who it was or what it was.

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Speaker 7: Something in my gut was like, and that's off, I'm

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Speaker 7: not doing that because you know, when they have these

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Speaker 7: big operations.

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Speaker 2: Did you think did you think that someone in the

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Speaker 2: bureau tipped off the FBI to the oh sorry, tipped

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Speaker 2: off the CNN to that raid.

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Speaker 1: By the way, how else is the course? How about that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I just wanted to get an FBI person on,

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Speaker 2: you know, to say this because we're all said at

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Speaker 2: the time, there's no way CNN just happened to be

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Speaker 2: there at.

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Speaker 7: Five yeuts, no, no, you read in my book that's not

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Speaker 7: a coincidence. You don't just suddenly get information about that, Like,

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Speaker 7: no one knows where we are, what we're doing. But

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Speaker 7: as far as Mara a Lago, that's not something that

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Speaker 7: they put a canvas outboard. They handpicked very carefully and

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Speaker 7: it was WFO from DC that came down. They worked

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Speaker 7: with FBI Miami. Certain people were selected. Obviously, it was

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Speaker 7: up in our Palm Beach office out of the Palm

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Speaker 7: Beach Residence Agency, which is part of FBI Miami.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear of anyone refusing Sorry, sorry, but we

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Speaker 2: have limited time. Did you hear of anyone refusing to

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Speaker 2: go or at least raising the issue of like I

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Speaker 2: don't want to be a part of this.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I did, yep, I did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were good.

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Speaker 7: It said no, I don't want to be a part

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Speaker 7: of that. And again FBI one, they want nothing to

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Speaker 7: do with it. They just want to do so. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: there are people within the agency that said no. I

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Speaker 7: personally was one that said, I'm not doing January sixth,

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Speaker 7: I don't care. And I made a vow to my

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Speaker 7: best friend the day before she's killed. We're like, we're

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Speaker 7: not doing that, no matter what, I Am not doing

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Speaker 7: that because that is not fair. It is they are

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Speaker 7: my friend right before she died, literally some of her

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Speaker 7: last words, and it's very very powerful. She's like, this

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Speaker 7: looks like political intimidation. I'm not going to be a

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Speaker 7: part of this. And I said I'm not going to

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Speaker 7: be a part of it either, And we made a

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Speaker 7: vow to each other and then she was killed, you know,

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Speaker 7: eighteen hours later. So these are the kinds of honorable

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Speaker 7: people that we don't hear about at the FBI. The

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Speaker 7: FBI one, they are strong, I mean, she lost her

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Speaker 7: life protecting children. On the other hand, there were people

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Speaker 7: salivating at the chance.

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Speaker 1: What happened to your friend. You've mentioned this a few times.

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Speaker 1: I assume it's in the book.

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Speaker 7: It's in the book, and it's very it is. It

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Speaker 7: is disgusting. They didn't send the SWAT team for her operation.

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Speaker 7: When they were going to take down the child predator

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Speaker 7: for a search warrant the child you know, child porn guy,

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Speaker 7: no slot for her. And this is February second of

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty one. But in the meantime, they were liberally

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Speaker 7: sending SWAT resources nationwide for January sixth misdemeanors. People that

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Speaker 7: walked into the Capitol and took a photo. They got

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Speaker 7: the full force of the federal government on them with

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Speaker 7: SWAT and everything. But when it came to the real

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Speaker 7: work and people protecting children like my best friend, no

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Speaker 7: SWAT two ages dead, three agent shot. And you will

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Speaker 7: read about that in the book. And that's something no

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Speaker 7: one knows about. So I think this book will be

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Speaker 7: very interesting to people. And by the way, the FBI

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Speaker 7: didn't even pay for her funeral. They didn't have the

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Speaker 7: money to pay for her funeral, but they had the

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Speaker 7: money to pay for diversity programs. So I recommend that

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Speaker 7: people pick up the book because their little facts and

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Speaker 7: details that only an insider like I lived it, and

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Speaker 7: it's it's so frustrating when you're on the inside. You

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Speaker 7: can't say a word, you can't say.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get my copy right I'm sold. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna get my copy right now, and I recommend everyone else.

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Speaker 2: The two fbis Nicole Parker's the author. Nicole, thanks for

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Speaker 2: being here. We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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