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Speaker 1: This is why I'm telling this story.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 2: I've told you guys this before. My job is weird.

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Speaker 2: It's weirder than you might think. Yeah, I do the news.

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Speaker 2: I cover politics. I've covered every presidential since two thousand

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Speaker 2: and four, midterms, local state elections, national politics, foreign affairs, war,

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Speaker 2: national disasters. But being in the news has also opened

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Speaker 2: very fun, weird doors to other things like Bravo as

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Speaker 2: you know, which is also so fun. I love going

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Speaker 2: on watch What Happens Live or interviewing bravolebrities at Bravo

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Speaker 2: con or for this podcast.

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Speaker 3: I also did.

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Speaker 2: I did a Seinfeld and Curb talk show.

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Speaker 3: I did Jeopardy. I've been at a bunch of docs.

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Speaker 2: I once shot a pilot Get This with Dion Sanders,

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Speaker 2: Bobby Bones, Juliana Ransick, and Lauren Sanchez. Yeah that Lauren

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Speaker 2: Sanchez never saw the light of day. That's probably for

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Speaker 2: the best, But I don't know how I've ended up

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Speaker 3: It's a wild ride. It's upmost have been a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun. Okay, So one of.

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Speaker 2: The coolest things I've ever done involves my next guest.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if he knows this.

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Speaker 2: You know him from countless TV shows and movies, from

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Speaker 2: Jack Ryan to Criminal Minds, The Adjustment Bureau to Lioness.

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Speaker 3: He's so talented.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he just always disappears into his roles and

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Speaker 2: also kind and thoughtful and funny. And he's a big

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Speaker 2: baseball fan, which I love. Michael Kelly, Welcome to Off

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Speaker 1: Oh thanks for having me. What a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're here. I just think you're so great.

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Speaker 2: So I purposely left out the thing. You're perhaps apps

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Speaker 2: best known for your Emmy nominated role as Doug Stamper

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Speaker 2: in House of Cards?

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Speaker 3: Did you know I was also in House of Cards?

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Speaker 1: I did not. I'm embarrassed to say that. Did you

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Speaker 1: Did you play yourself?

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Speaker 2: I played myself in two episodes they did like a

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Speaker 2: CNN panel. It was like me Van van Jones, Paula

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Speaker 2: Gala Yes, yes, and like On with Jake, I think

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Speaker 2: it was the coolest thing I've ever done.

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Speaker 3: I still have the script. It's framed in my office.

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Speaker 2: I loved it, but I love we have that we

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Speaker 3: Little connection, even though I didn't get to meet you there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's super cool. I love that they did that.

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Speaker 1: On Ause of Cards. They use a lot of real

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Speaker 1: They actually went to the effort of making the newspaper

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Speaker 2: Well, that very similitude and you know, commitment to getting

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Speaker 3: And it's really funny. The common saying was.

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Speaker 2: And then of course reality decided to say hold my

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Speaker 1: It was the insane, look at wild political ride, right,

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Speaker 1: then the princess and I was like, all right, So

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00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: I did that for like six months and then and

434
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 1: then they asked me to run the program, which simply

435
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 1: you were the driver of the van and you were

436
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 1: in charge of four people. It wasn't was It wasn't

437
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: a big You got like fifty bucks more a week

438
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: or something. And I was like, no, I'm going to

439
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: go to New York man, I'm going to go for it.

440
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: And that was it. I moved to New York City

441
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: and I went for it.

442
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: Was it a slow start or did you get in

443
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 2: pretty very quickly?

444
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: No, it was it was I want to say, it

445
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 1: was about seven years before I started to make a

446
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: living wow as an actor, and even then I probably

447
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: kept a job, a side job for a few more

448
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 1: years after that. Just you know, I was seven years

449
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: when I got my first TV show. But all along

450
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: the way, there were baby steps. And that's what I

451
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: always say to young actors. I'm like, as long as

452
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 1: you have as long as you're taking baby steps, as

453
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: long as you're making some progress. You know, if you're

454
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: just flatlining, you're there. You know, I'm never wanting to

455
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: say give up on your dream. But at the same time,

456
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're forty years old and you're not seeing

457
00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: baby steps. It's time to good teach acting, you know,

458
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: like because it's hard as shit, it's really really hard.

459
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,719
Speaker 1: But all along the way, you know, it's like seventy

460
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: five dollars a day and then one hundred and fifty

461
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,479
Speaker 1: dollars a day, and then you know, it just it

462
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: got better and better, but slowly. And that was you know,

463
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: going back to the family thing, like sharing every baby

464
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: stuff with them and then being like, yeah, you know, yeah,

465
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: I get a commercial, you know, and then I once

466
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: I started getting commercials and I started making good, you know,

467
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: good money there. And that was back when they used

468
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,479
Speaker 1: to pay you to do that kind of stuff.

469
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 2: Uh huh, right, did you ever consider stopping?

470
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: I did?

471
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 3: You did?

472
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: I very much did. I was about thirty eight years

473
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: old and I was making a living. I make good money.

474
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: And my brother, who's my best friend, had a very

475
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: successful business building houses. He and his wife are design

476
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: build team in Atlanta. And I love that stuff, like

477
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: this house that we just did is our fifth or

478
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: six renovation. Like Karen and I love it. We love

479
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: doing this stuff. So he was like, I can't find

480
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 1: someone to take on that I need someone. The business

481
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: is growing and I need someone and I've offered it

482
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: to so many people and be like, here, I want

483
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: to give you part of my company. He's like, but

484
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: nobody has our work ethic. And I was like, you

485
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: know what, man, I was a year of getting you know,

486
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: three episodes of Sopranos at like five thousand dollars an

487
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 1: episode or whatever it was. It was not a lot

488
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: of money, and it was a whole year of being like,

489
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: it's between you and somebody else, and it was somebody else,

490
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: somebody else, somebody else, somebody else do the three episodes

491
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: of Sopranos. I end my year with fifteen thousand dollars

492
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, my brother's like, dude, we could

493
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: crush together, right. And I called my manager and I

494
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: was like, Buddy, I think I'm gonna I'm gonna go

495
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: to Atlanta and build houses. And he was like, no,

496
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: you're not. And I was like, I could be happy, dude,

497
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: I know I could be happy doing that. And he

498
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: was like, give me to your forty I promise this

499
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: is how you're doing with the rest of your life

500
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: if I absolutely promise you, And so wow, I don't know.

501
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks went by, and maybe a month

502
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: or two, and it was a lot in that month

503
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: or two. I remember there being a lot of like

504
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: talking with Karen and you know, She's like, I don't know,

505
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: and it was just back and forth. And then I

506
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: booked the HBO limited series called Generation Kill and that

507
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: sent me to Africa for six months. And while I

508
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: was doing that, I booked the Clint Eastwood movie Change

509
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: Link with Angelina Joe Lee Yep, And that's sort of

510
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: that was Prehouse of Cards. But what Clint and Angelina

511
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: said about me publicly before the film came out, they

512
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: both said things about me publicly that that in the

513
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: Whispers of the movie got me in that tend to

514
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: watch that year for Variety, which sort of really puts

515
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: you out there, and then and then things just kind

516
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: of went from there. So it was really I was

517
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: very close, yeah to not giving up to just change

518
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: in horses. You know, I never thought of it as

519
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: given up, because I was like, I've done it, I've

520
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: made a good living doing it. I'm not I know,

521
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it again, but it's like how much

522
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: do you want to to do this? Like it's hard.

523
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: And I tell young actors that all the time. I'm like,

524
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: it's not just hard when you start, it's hard forever,

525
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, I have all these great jobs that

526
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: I've done in my career, and you know, you don't

527
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: you never know, you never know. I've had friends be

528
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: very successful at this and they don't do it anymore.

529
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it's very difficult to maintain. You know.

530
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, I do know. What was your worst audition?

531
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: And tell me, like, who were you auditioning with against

532
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: when you were coming up? Like what other guys would

533
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: you see in the room all the time.

534
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: Well, that's funny, that's you know David Harbor, Yeah, from

535
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: Stranger Things. So David and I would see each other

536
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: all the time, and and to the point where where

537
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: it was mostly the commercial circuit that we were in

538
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: together and Jim gaff again, the three of us see

539
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: each other. We're totally totally different, but we would see

540
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: each other all the time. And it's funny because now

541
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: all these years later, like I saw David at the

542
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: Emmys one year and we're like, oh my god, wait,

543
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: we never we never hung out, but you knew each

544
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: other so well from and and Gaff again we both

545
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: had kids at the same little elementary or kindergarten school

546
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: whatever in the city, and we reconnected there and so

547
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: and now he's got a place up here near me

548
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: as well. And so it's funny you see these cats again.

549
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: So those are two guys that just they really stick

550
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: out of my head as they were always around. And

551
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: it's great when we see each other now. But Tom

552
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: Scott was good, good buddy of mine that we sort

553
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: of you know, he was ahead of me and I

554
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: would always ask and be able to ask him for

555
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: advice and he was always so great, great to me

556
00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: for that.

557
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: What was a bad audition, Oh my god.

558
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: So it was for this is so good. And I'm

559
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: so embarrassed because these kids don't do this. And that's

560
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: why I'm telling this. This is why I'm telling this story.

561
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 3: It's a cautionary tale. Got it.

562
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: So it was the first night that I kissed my

563
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: now wife and we went out and I was just like,

564
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm just head over your this is

565
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: this is my this is my wife like I know it.

566
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: And we went out and we stayed out until I

567
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: don't know, we closed the bars. Now I was like

568
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: four right in the city. And then I walked her

569
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: home and then we stood on her stoop and made

570
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: out for probably an hour and just like not wanting

571
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: to say goodbye, you know, like just kissing and hanging

572
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: out and kissing. And then I went home and so

573
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: now it's and then I walked home because I was

574
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 1: on such a high. And it was probably like five

575
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: thirty morning. In my audition was like at nine thirty,

576
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: and it was for or ten o'clock maybe, and it

577
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: was for a Johnny Knoxville TV shown us to play's brother.

578
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: And I went in there and I guarantee you I still,

579
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I must have reek of alcohol, like I

580
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: was hammered hammer. I was still. I'm sure I was

581
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: still drunk. And I went in and she literally the

582
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: castal director, she was like, are you okay?

583
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 3: And I was like, and I was like, oh.

584
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: Shit, I'm not hiding this one. You know. I had showered,

585
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: I had brushed my tea that listerine and done everything

586
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: I could to try to make myself presentable. And what

587
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: I should have done was just I never had ever

588
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: called in sick or been like I'd never not shown

589
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: to a very good work ethic, and I was like, yeah,

590
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: I gotta go, when really a smart thing would have

591
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: been like I'm sick, yea, because I was. I was

592
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: definitely sick, and one shape or form, I was sick,

593
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: and so I remember asking me okay, and then it

594
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: was just kind of like one of those things when

595
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: when I did it and then I left and she

596
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: was like okay, Michael, and I was like, I'll see it.

597
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: We knew each other, you know, I've been doing it

598
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: for a little bit.

599
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

600
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: I was just so embarrassed and nothing was ever said

601
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: of it again. But she maybe she had a conversation

602
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: with manager who knows. But you can't do that.

603
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: You can't.

604
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm really lucky that I had another chance with her.

605
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of castin writors who rightfully would

606
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: be like, I'm not seeing this is you have a

607
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: These are opportunities that are not everyone who wants to

608
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: go out for a Johnny Knoxville TV spin off ship whatever,

609
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: gets the opportunity to read for it to be seen

610
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: for it. They only see some people. Yeah, your agent,

611
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: your manager worked hard to get you those appointments, and

612
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: to just throw it away like that was so needless

613
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: to say that never happened again.

614
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: It was that's a terrible feeling.

615
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: But listen, I feel like you made the right choice,

616
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: Like it works out with you.

617
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: I have the most amazing wife and uh and that

618
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: night's unfre gettable and yeah.

619
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: That's an awesome story.

620
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: What's the what's the hardest thing you've had to learn

621
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: as an actor Spanish?

622
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: For Jack Ryan? That was I. And this is really

623
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: funny too, because I was I was on the final

624
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: season Outs the Cards and my manager called me and

625
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, Jack Ryan. They had done the first

626
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: season and they said, Jack Ryan's really interested in you

627
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: for to come join the show. And it's a one year,

628
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: one year commitment, and I was like perfect because I

629
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to sign up for another six years on something.

630
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: So I was like great. And so they sent me

631
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: the first episode of the first two episodes of the

632
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: first season and the first script for the second season,

633
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: and I watched the show and I was like, holy shit, man,

634
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: this is really good. And I loved John like I

635
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: had met John before because Emily and I did a

636
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: movie together and I met John. I just I love yeah, yeah,

637
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: and now we're dear friends. And then I can read

638
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: the script and say, my character is the uh. He

639
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: was the chief of station for for the CIA in

640
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: crocuss Venezuela, so obviously flute in Spanish. And there's this

641
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: whole interrogation scene where I'm speaking Spanish most of the time,

642
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: you speaking English. There's a whole introgation scene where I'm

643
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: speaking Spanish and then odd Spanish here and there. And

644
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, and I was like so I.

645
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: So They're like, they want to do a zoom with you,

646
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: the creators, and I was like great, and so I

647
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: said to them, I was like, guys, I just write

648
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: up right out of the gate after the niceties and

649
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: nice to meet you and all that I said, but

650
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: I want to be very clear out of the gate here.

651
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: I love the show. I love John, I love this script.

652
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: I love this character. I would love to do it.

653
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm letting you know now I do not speak a

654
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: word of Spanish. And they're like, and they were like,

655
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: you should just see him looking at each other, and

656
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: they're like, no problem, No, it's just a little bit.

657
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: It's a little bit. Don't even worry about it. Maybe

658
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't even the full interrogation scene that was in

659
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: the first in the episode that I read, because I

660
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: remember it being more later and I was just like, guys,

661
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: like I told you, and they're like, no, no, no,

662
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: it's not a problem at all. So having to learn

663
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: Spanish for that was was incredible. Obviously I've done more

664
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: difficult things acting, but I just remember it's just so

665
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: funny because I was like, it was really hard because

666
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: you had to first you had to memorize it, and

667
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: that's one I'm not very good at memorizing. Funny enough

668
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: being okay, but you had to memorize it in English

669
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: first so that you understood what you were saying.

670
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

671
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: Then you had to go and memorize. Then you had

672
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: to match all your words in Spanish so you knew

673
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: what you were saying and where to put the inflection

674
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: on words and whatnot. Like it would be like you

675
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: learning Russian and having to make it make sense. I

676
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: know it doesn't sound as like the same thing, but

677
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: it's I know nothing I know Spanish. I mean, the

678
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: four or five words you learn waiting tables, most of

679
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: them bad and bad words. My character didn't say any

680
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: of those. Yeah, So that was one of the more

681
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: difficult things.

682
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: The adjustment Bureau is one of my favorite movies, and

683
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: it's just cool. It's so cool and conceptually and everyone's

684
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: great in it, including you. And that was sort of

685
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: a Doug Stamper character, sort of a man behind him.

686
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, he was exactly he was. He was his

687
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: uh like handler, he was yeah, like a chief yah,

688
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: fixer and best friend yeah and best friend.

689
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, what a cool project?

690
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: Did it look as cool when you got the script

691
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: as it ended up being when we all saw it?

692
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: It got cooler actually, Like you know, you because when

693
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: you're reading it, you're like, okay, and they go through

694
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: this door and then you then there's.

695
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: This you know, yeah, the hat. So yeah, it's it's.

696
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: What you're it's what your mind is capable of trying

697
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: to trying to imagine.

698
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: Right, right.

699
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: But then when you see what they did and you

700
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: know the DP and how he did it, and it

701
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: was just like, oh shit, you're making it. Because you know,

702
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: I didn't do a lot of the door jumping and

703
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. I think, yeah, they froze

704
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: me at some point in time. They did, but it

705
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: was you know, for me, I was like, oh, man,

706
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: Matt Damon and Emily Blunt you know this is this

707
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: is yeah, crazy crazy, like what an opportunity. And and

708
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: now Matt Emily we're all good friends, like it's it's wild.

709
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: He was, you know, a couple of blocks from hither.

710
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: He has a fris a couple of blocks from me here,

711
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: so it's uh and John, We're all just for all

712
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: his buddies, you know. The John thing though. When I

713
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: went to the kickoff party for Adjustment Bureau, John and

714
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: Emiley were playing darts and drinking beers and I was like, oh,

715
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: those guys look like fun. I went by myself with

716
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: with a hole in the back of my head from

717
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: where I cut my own hair and shaved a big patch,

718
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: and they and my wife's like, you're going to the party.

719
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I look an ass on. And

720
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna wear a hat and she's like,

721
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: don't wear a hat, just just own it. You'd be

722
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: better off. And yeah, so I go, I see John Iman,

723
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: I'm I gonna go hang out with those guys because

724
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm all self conscious and nervous and I don't know anyone,

725
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: and so I went over to them and I was like, hey, man,

726
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: you you guys mind if I join you, and they're like, oh, yeah,

727
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: come on, and I was like, oh, I'm playing Bubba

728
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: and they're like oh cool and uh. And then so

729
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: we're with my turn to throw the darts. I throw

730
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: the darts and then I'm like, shit, I gotta get

731
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: the darts. And I was like, look before I went,

732
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: I got, I got. I just cut my own hair,

733
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, I needn't worry about it, over silly.

734
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, I know that two of them and they're

735
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: wicked senses of humor. The second I walked up there

736
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: like oh my god, covering their faces when I'm walking back,

737
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like, like, you cut your own hair.

738
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: I was like, guy, do uh because typically i'm or

739
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: most of the time i'm working and someone else is

740
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: cutting my hair. So I don't like have a barber,

741
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I just let it go and

742
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, got like shit. So then I started learning

743
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: how to just clip it myself. Kind of. I wish

744
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: i'd a a flow beat or whatever. I just used clippers,

745
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: and when I was using the clipper, the guard just

746
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: popped off and it went and I was like.

747
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: Oh fuck, oh no, too good.

748
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: But then but so that's when when they came to

749
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: me for Jack Ryan. I just remember I was like,

750
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: oh my god, you had to spend time with that dude,

751
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Yeah, at the time of my

752
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 1: life with them that night. So yeah, that's great.

753
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: When does baseball enter your consciousness?

754
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: Be easier to answer when it leaves you means as growing.

755
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: I thought you met like daily.

756
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: Now like, when does it first enter your consciousness?

757
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: I think, like, you know, I don't remember how old

758
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: I was when I tried out for a team and

759
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: I was I remember kicking rocks in the outfield where

760
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: they just like stick him out there, They're never going

761
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: to hit him, and I didn't and I never played,

762
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: but so it was probably like i'd say, I was

763
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: about fourteen fifteen years old when I was working for

764
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: my brother's now father in law, Mark Epstein, who was

765
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: a builder. I worked for him in the summers. I

766
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: worked for him all year round doing stuff around his

767
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: house and then but he gave me tickets to a

768
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: raise game once and I remember going. And then it

769
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: was shortly after that that I discovered that Dale Murphy

770
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: was our neighbor. And then I met Dale and he

771
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: was only our neighbor for a year. Once he got

772
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: his contract, he was.

773
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 3: Okay at the big contract.

774
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to a nice neighborhood. So he

775
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: has got now Dale and I are friends, so it's

776
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's fantastic. But it was around that age

777
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: and uh and it was the Land and Braves and

778
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: that's my team and it's always always been.

779
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: I know, I'm a I'm a Met fans for rivals, but.

780
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: Good good, good year for you guys.

781
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, this is.

782
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: You know, I was just thinking back though, like the

783
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: late nineties we had the Mets. I don't know if

784
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: you remember, like nineteen ninety nine Sports illustrated the best

785
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: in field ever. We had Robin Ventura, Mike Piazza, John

786
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: olrud and Gardola, Fonso Rare, Doniez. And at the same time,

787
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: you guys have the best pitching staff of all time.

788
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: You have Maddox, Glavin, Smoltz, Rocker. I mean, what is awesome?

789
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: Everyone forgets Avery. Avery was such a rae. You know,

790
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: everyone says Glavin Maddox smalls Avery was That's right.

791
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: It was amazing, and of course we called him Larry.

792
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like what an awesome era the late nineties

793
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 2: with Mets braves like that was just so fun.

794
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: Incredible, incredible, man like just incredible and and and look

795
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: you know they are with their their rivalries and the

796
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: Phillies now, like we we all hate each other, but

797
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: we love each other. Like it's you know, it's I

798
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: think people love Chipper Jones. They hated him, but they

799
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you don't respect someone like that, right,

800
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 1: you respect him? Like like Bryce Harper. He gets booed

801
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: every time he comes to Atlanta. But you'd be hard

802
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: pressed to find someone that hates Bryce Harper, Like, yeah,

803
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: great baseball player, and he plays the game hard as hell.

804
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I hate the Mets, but I love Francisco Lindora.

805
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: I love you know, I love Yeah. I don't like

806
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: Pete A. Lonzo. I don't like I think it's take.

807
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: I think he does everything too serious, you know, I

808
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: think he just there's like, have a little fun, kid,

809
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: You're getting to play a game for a lot of money,

810
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: for a living. Have some fun. The home run derby

811
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: is a fun contest. It is not a stress. You know,

812
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: you don't have to get all crazy anyway. That's my

813
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: that's my team. Team Oh my god, the time of

814
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: my life. That's why I have this mustache right now. Well,

815
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I kept it. But I got

816
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: to play in the celebrity softball game. It was at

817
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: my field. I stood at home plate and got a

818
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: hit at Truest Park, and I swear to god, I

819
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: was a ten year old kid like I was like,

820
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: this is the greatest, one of the greatest things I've

821
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: ever and I got to do it all with my

822
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: son that weekend. So if you play in that, if

823
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: you play in that game, then they give you tickets

824
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: to everything. So you're at the home run derby and

825
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: you're in a suite and you're at the you're at

826
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: the All Star Game, and you can do anything you

827
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: want in It's like amazing because so there there we

828
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: were the night of the All Star Game and we

829
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: go up to the suite and it's my mother, my

830
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: brother in law, my son, myself, and there's Gary Sheffield

831
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: and Paid Martinez and uh and Ryan Howard and I

832
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god. And Sheffield comes over

833
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: and a couple of guys recognized me. So then we

834
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: all kind of get to know each other. And Pedro

835
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: was a big fan, and I was like, dude, And

836
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: again there's a great example of always love Pedro Martinez. Always. Yeah,

837
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you're a brave fan or not.

838
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: You recognize the greatest and you appreciate them, right. And

839
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: so Sheffield's like show me your swing, kid to Clint

840
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: to my boy and he was like what He's like

841
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: going on, let me see your swing, And so I'm like,

842
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: oh my god, I just step back. I get my

843
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: phone out. I'm like video and my son getting batting

844
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: lessons from Gary Sheffield, and I'm like this is and

845
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: every night my son and I just get into bed

846
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: and laughing, are just like I can't believe this. Like

847
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: he was so appreciative too, and it was just one

848
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: of those moments to share with your son. It was

849
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: like just magical man magic.

850
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I feel like baseball is magical, and even

851
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: if you don't get that kind of magical experience, I

852
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: feel like it's every time I go into a stadium,

853
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 2: it's magical. It doesn't matter who I'm seeing. My husband's

854
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: a Red Sox fan. We're from Boston, so we go

855
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: to a lot of Sox games with my son and

856
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: it's just the most magical. It's religious for me, and

857
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: I'm not religious. It's the closest thing I know to religion.

858
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it really is right like that, you step

859
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: into those parks and you feel it doesn't matter what

860
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: park either. Like I've been to many many parks, you know.

861
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: Wherever I am working, I'll try to go to the

862
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: ballpark there. Yeah, And it's just even if it's my

863
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: team or not. Like I'm like, it's baseball.

864
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 3: It's baseball.

865
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's the greatest game ever created. And

866
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: so watching my son play, I'm at every practice I'm

867
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: in town. I'm at every single practice for the whole practice.

868
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: I'm at every game. Yeah. Yeah, just yeah, I live

869
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: for it. Love it.

870
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. My son plays too, and I love it also.

871
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: It's creating. It's incredible.

872
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: But I feel like there's two things baseball and Broadway.

873
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: I'll see anything on Broadway, and every time I'm there,

874
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: I will start crying during the overture.

875
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 3: No matter what. I don't have to know the show.

876
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 3: It's funny.

877
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: My mom and I just took my son to see

878
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: a regional production of Annie Regional and real Regional.

879
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 3: Okay, real regional, you know what that means yes, real regional.

880
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but can I tell you my mom and

881
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: I are both in tears at the overture. I just

882
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: I get overwhelmed and overcome in those two in those

883
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 2: two sacred spaces for me, Yeah, it doesn't matter what

884
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: it is.

885
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: I'm just happy to be there. And I just hope.

886
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: Everyone in their lives have has something like that, a

887
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: place like that, a sacred space where they feel like

888
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: a kid again, or they can just magically get overwhelmed

889
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: and everything else from the world, the anxiety, the news, whatever,

890
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 2: disappears for an hour or two.

891
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so important. That's my daughter. She's so very young.

892
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: She was saying and carrying. Neither one of us sing,

893
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: but she could really sing. And then she was like, oh,

894
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: and then she saw Hamilton. We took her to see

895
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Hamilton and the end of that first song when it's

896
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: like and she turned to me just like what did

897
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: I just see? And like and now she is full

898
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: on just got back from camp, like she's full on

899
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: musical theater and wants to be an actor. And you know,

900
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: she played She did get to play my daughter in

901
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: Lioness The Last Last for a couple episodes. Yes, but

902
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: she's like, no, I want to be a Broadway That's

903
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: what I want to do. So she's in she's going

904
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: into eleventh grade and that's so I'm very fortunate I

905
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: get both both my son plays. Basically, I'm like, I'll

906
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: go to anything everything.

907
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: So she just did.

908
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: And this ripped my heart out. And it's one of

909
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: the hardest things, you know, with what we do for

910
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: a living, and you miss things right. And we were

911
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: doing Jack Ryan and we were in Dubai and at

912
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: this point we're in London. Very early on, I was like,

913
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: I need these dates. Three days of performances. My daughter

914
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: was playing Doraley in nine to five and I was like,

915
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: I got to get on for it. And Alice, and

916
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: the producer is a dear friend of mine. She was like, dude,

917
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: we'll put you on a private if we have to.

918
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: And come to find out, we got screwed. It was

919
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: over a weekend where we had these locations. It was

920
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: the only look and it was a military base. It

921
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: was very hard to get. It wasn't just like you know,

922
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: a street corner and I missed it and it killed me,

923
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: like it killed me, like it just yep, you know,

924
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: And I got to see a tape. There was a

925
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: video of it, and Karen Snack, you know, she she

926
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: went all three performances. So I was like, just the

927
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: first night, I was like, just enjoy the first night.

928
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: The second night, sneak me some VIDs. Yeah, right, give

929
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: me some good quality because I know what I know.

930
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: The other one's gonna be the big wide performance. But

931
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: I got to see it. I get to feel and

932
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: my wife's videos were actually fantastic, and so I did

933
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: feel like I was and I talked to her after

934
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: every performance and whatnot. But it's one of the things

935
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: that sucks about what we do for a living. It's

936
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: it's very there's no you know, there's no weekends off

937
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: always you know, I.

938
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: Do know, and it's Yeah, I was talking to my

939
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: son about this. He's ten, and listen, I've been lucky.

940
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: I've been around a lot. I you know, I do

941
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: a lot of work from home, and but you know,

942
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: every four years, mom's work goes into hyperdrive, right, And

943
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: it's so crazy because last year, last year, I spent

944
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 2: six months in Philadelphia covering the election in a swing state,

945
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: and so I was like back and forth. Wow, you know,

946
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: a week in Philly weekends home, and I remember toward

947
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: the end of the year, someone was asking him. I

948
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: was there and someone was like, so, you know, how

949
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: what kind of vacations did you go on this year?

950
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: And he goes, not many, because you know, it's an

951
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: election year, and that's just the how it goes. I'm like,

952
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: oh my god, I cannot believe this is like just

953
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: his life now. And then he was like, but next year,

954
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: next year, twenty twenty five won't be as bad.

955
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: You know, we'll have a lot more vacation time.

956
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: And now I just got this new show covering the

957
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 2: New York City mayoral election, so it is an election

958
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: year again for me. And he's like, Mom, you don't

959
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: need this many jobs, and.

960
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: It's so hard, but you know what this is like.

961
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: And I try to tell him, Hey, you don't know

962
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 2: my finances. B you know, mom likes working and mom

963
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: doesn't like being away from you. That's not the part

964
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 2: I like at all. But I love my work and

965
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: I want him to know.

966
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: For you need it, for you, Yeah.

967
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: It makes me a better mom, yeah, and a better person.

968
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 2: It's good for my mental health to work. But also

969
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: I want you to I want you to know that

970
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: I love what I do, so that you go and

971
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: chase something that you love and don't just feel like,

972
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: oh I just need the paycheck.

973
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: I want them to know and see.

974
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: That that's like the only silver lining of how much

975
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: it sucks when I have to be away.

976
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: Yep, my kids know that. I can't say it enough.

977
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: If you love what you do, you'll never work a

978
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: day in your life. Once I started making a living,

979
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: I've never once said I have to go to work tomorrow.

980
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: I get to work tomorrow.

981
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get.

982
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I fucking love what I do. Yeah, And when

983
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: I don't do it for a while, I get it's

984
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: not good for me. It's not good for my head,

985
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: it's not good for my well being. Like I can,

986
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: I can work out, and I can do all this

987
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,959
Speaker 1: stuff for the family. But I realized that I need

988
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,959
Speaker 1: it to fulfill me as a person in some way,

989
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, it makes me me.

990
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, So s they'll understand that.

991
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they will when they find a thing

992
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: in life, you know, and they're like, oh, exactly right,

993
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it.

994
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: You mentioned lionis is that going to get a first season? Okay,

995
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: maybe it looks.

996
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: It looks it looks very promising right now. Yeah, yeah,

997
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: and I I couldn't be any happier about.

998
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: That, Like that's my husband loves that show. My husband

999
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: watches that show.

1000
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: So Karen and I love it. We love watching it together.

1001
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: Like it's I tell people, I'm like, it's not because

1002
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: a minute, man, like, watch this show.

1003
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: It's it's really good.

1004
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: Taylor Sheridan knows how to create drama, man, Like apparently, yeah,

1005
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: I wanted dude, man, he wrote them all like that's crazy, crazy, crazy,

1006
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: He's so good and it's and and get to get

1007
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: to work with those women on a daily basis. And

1008
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman, I mean, are you shitting me? It's that

1009
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: first time that I sat in that conference room, you know,

1010
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: and Jenniferly and Bruce McGill and I sat down at

1011
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: that table and I was just like, holy Ship, Academy,

1012
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: warg Academy, Ward, Academy, word, God knows Accounts, Awards and

1013
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: that nominations in that room and I was just like

1014
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: and then you just you know, some of those scenes

1015
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: are nine pages long, so it's like little one one

1016
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: act plays because they'll run them straight through and we'll

1017
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: just do them over and over and it's just like

1018
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: to watch the Volley and the you know, it's just

1019
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: that that's that's a high. Being an aver room hard.

1020
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: It's hard as ship to get all that to memory,

1021
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: especially for me to memorize all that to make it

1022
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,959
Speaker 1: so that I can make it make sense too, because

1023
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it is very complicated, and with

1024
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: all the political stuff I've done a lot of it's

1025
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: a foreign language to a certain extent.

1026
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 3: So well, at least at least it's English.

1027
00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, yep, Yeah, that show.

1028
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: I just I love it.

1029
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: I love love love it. Yeah.

1030
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: Well, I hope it gets another another season. Okay, it's

1031
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: time for a lightning round.

1032
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: All right.

1033
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: Who's the real person you'd like to play in a

1034
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: film or television series? Burt Reynolds, Ah, listen with that

1035
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: stash Man, you are halfway there? Why can I ask why?

1036
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't know? I mean Georgia connection, and you know,

1037
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: I just I always thought, uh, before I wanted to

1038
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: be an actor, there was something about Burt Brynholds and

1039
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: all those movies and from Smoking the Bandit the Cannonball

1040
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: Run to Hooper. You know, I would love to do

1041
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: Hooper play that character or I don't if you remember,

1042
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: he was a stunt man. He was hooked on pain

1043
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: pills and just got to be really really cool to

1044
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: redo that lightly less McColl uh huh uh huh yeah,

1045
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, and an aging stun man. I'm kind

1046
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: of aging. I'm kind of prime. Bert was much younger

1047
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: when he played it, But I think it can work

1048
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: right now for me.

1049
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: It's great.

1050
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just always there's something about the dude.

1051
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: I just thought he was so cool. You see. It's

1052
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: such a wicked sense of humor too.

1053
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: Bert.

1054
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: Did you watch all that fun stuff that he and

1055
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: Johnny Carson did back in the day, right, And that

1056
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: guy was just fun. Man, he was just fun.

1057
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the best movie about politics?

1058
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: Uh? What do you call it? With Robert Ridford and

1059
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: presents Man? Yeah, that's my favorite.

1060
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, classic.

1061
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, just so.

1062
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: That's most people's like top of the Cannon. Yeah, you know,

1063
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: did you ever see the Contender?

1064
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: Was that Russell Krusch?

1065
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: No, that's the insider. The contender is Jeff Bridges plays

1066
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 2: the president. Joan Allen is vying to be the vice president,

1067
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: Christian Slater, Gary Oldman, Oh my.

1068
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. You've got to see You've got

1069
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: to see myself right now?

1070
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: So good? What's the best baseball movie?

1071
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: All square? Now, I'm kidding, I get that one did exactly.

1072
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: It's a movie I did.

1073
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: I know.

1074
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: I looked that movie up.

1075
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: It actually is a really fun little indie that we

1076
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: did for a you know, a million bucks. A car

1077
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: screw to make it with me and uh and jumped

1078
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: on board. We made not even a million bucks like

1079
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: seven and fifty. But it's actually a fun movie. It

1080
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: is not my favorite. It's a tough one because you

1081
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: got you know, good ones. I love Bad News Bears,

1082
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: but I think Major League is also wow. And then

1083
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: the female one, uh oh, A league of their own,

1084
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: a league of their own. But you know what, I

1085
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: just watched Funny just Is and I really loved it.

1086
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: And it's one that not many people or maybe people

1087
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: know about. But it's I think I've seen every baseball more.

1088
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: I thought I did a little big league. Have you

1089
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: seen that one?

1090
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: A little big league?

1091
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: No, little big league? It was really good. It's this kid.

1092
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: The grandfather gives him the baseball team. Okay, he's got

1093
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: a bright baseball mind, and he dies the grandfather. They

1094
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: have a relationship in the movie. Grandfather dies in his will.

1095
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: The kids like, what, I have a baseball team.

1096
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: I'll have to check that out.

1097
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really fun one yourself.

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00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 2: Watch with my son. Oh great for yours. I think

1099
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: it's Bullderham. Oh yeah, yeah, it's so good, just like

1100
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 2: both of their like all three of them, their monologues like, yeah,

1101
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 2: Kevin's Tim Susan's like they're all so good.

1102
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: And then and and you have all that talent in

1103
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: that movie too, I mean all the talent those are

1104
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: the three actors. Like that's insane.

1105
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 2: It's insane, and like the Roman, it captures the romance

1106
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: of baseball.

1107
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 3: So so yeah, that's a good one. What was what

1108
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 3: was your worst vacation?

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00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: They're vacations, and I don't think I've had one. Actually

1110
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: there was one where where but but but again, and

1111
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: we were with the family, so it wasn't that bad

1112
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: my family. Yeah, but my wife had to go down

1113
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: a few days early because I was working. I met

1114
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: them there, but we went down to Florida. Forget the

1115
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: name of this place, but it's everyone gets like their

1116
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,959
Speaker 1: own massive home and it could sleep twenty something people.

1117
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: One of those things had its own pool and everything.

1118
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: It rained, oh for seven straight days. And I'm not

1119
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: saying just like, oh it rain. It Florida rained, yep

1120
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: from start to fucking finish every single day we were there,

1121
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: and we're just like, so it was great. We were

1122
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: with our family, you know, so it wasn't terrible, but

1123
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: it was like are you kidding right? Like every day

1124
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: we'd be like, are.

1125
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 3: You sitting still going?

1126
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, my son was a baby, my son was like

1127
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: and my poor wife had to go down without me.

1128
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: Like it was just so that was pretty rough. Recently, though,

1129
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: I will say we went to and the vacation itself

1130
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: was amazing, but what happened while we were away suck.

1131
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: So we went down to Puerto Rico. We're renovating this home.

1132
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: We were tapped out financially, so I was like, we're

1133
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: gonna use points well, fly out Jet Blue to Puerto Rico.

1134
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: We're in an air We got an airbnb. It was

1135
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: like it was like three quarters a mile from the

1136
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: beach and we just rented a jeep for literally a

1137
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: couple hundred bucks for five days. It was an amazing

1138
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: vacation and marine come while we were there. We got

1139
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: this dog recently, and she has anxiety and she can't

1140
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: be in the house for more than like three and

1141
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: a half four hours without doing bad shit to the house.

1142
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: So we hired a guy. We said, one of those

1143
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: doggy apps. Whatever. We said, here, here's the deal. You

1144
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: can live in our house. It's nice. You do whatever

1145
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: you want. This is your home for a week. Okay,

1146
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: one thing you can't do is leave that dog for

1147
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: more than three and a half hours. And the sun

1148
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: of a bitch. We're having dinner one night and my wife,

1149
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: we've just finished dinner and she picked up her phone.

1150
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: It was just like put it and she was like,

1151
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: oh god, oh god, oh god. And he had sent

1152
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: pictures of what Jovi, our dog had done to the

1153
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: windows in the rental house we were in. Oh my god.

1154
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: And she had eaten the windows and the doors. And

1155
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: he had left her for seven and a half that's

1156
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: what he said. So I'm sure it was more than that.

1157
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: But his girlfriend went to the hospital or some shit,

1158
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: and oh my god, all you do is call, bro,

1159
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: All you do is call And we had to call

1160
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: a neighbor and someone would have gone yeah, no. So

1161
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: if we were coming home and and he knew we

1162
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: were flying home and we're in the car, and she

1163
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: text him and said, hey, we're so, we're in we're

1164
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: at the airport, we're heading home. You can And he

1165
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: was like, do you want me to be here when

1166
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: you get home? And and she just Karen turned me

1167
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: and goes. He just asked if he should be there

1168
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: when we get there. I was like, I beg him

1169
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: not to be there when I get there. I mean,

1170
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: that would be a very bad idea for him. So

1171
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: he was gone. The windows were there, and it sucked.

1172
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: And this cheap, inexpensive vacation that we took cost twice

1173
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: as much to fix all the windows.

1174
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 3: So that hurts. Yeah, so that was it hurts.

1175
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: It was a great vacation, yeah, but at a cost,

1176
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: at a cost. Oh may you had a bad one?

1177
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: Well, I've had one of those Florida ones. And with kids,

1178
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: it really sucks because it was just like you said,

1179
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: like raining so much you couldn't actually leave, Like you

1180
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: couldn't you didn't even want to walk to your car.

1181
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 3: It was raining so hard. So like rightly, so like

1182
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: forget the beach of the pool? Can I even can

1183
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: I go like to a movie? Inside?

1184
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: Not really I mean, so you're just cabin fever stuck

1185
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: in a We were in.

1186
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 3: A condo at the.

1187
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: Time, you know, Yeah, I've been on that, yeah, and

1188
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: then the other the other, like bad vacation. I was

1189
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: in my twenties and we went to Rome with some

1190
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: friends and my luggage went to Osaka. So I land

1191
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: and it's a five day vacation. For five days, I

1192
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: have nothing. It comes on the fifth day, I'm running

1193
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: around Rome. I have no money at this time, so

1194
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: I'm running around Rome looking at like street street vendors

1195
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: to buy clothes and toilet trees and trying to make something.

1196
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 3: That wasn't great.

1197
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: The vacation was fun minus that part. Okay, this is

1198
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 2: a quiz. The Braves have won four World Series, but

1199
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: only two as the Atlanta Braves. What were the first two?

1200
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: Milwaukee and in Boston.

1201
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: You're correct, You're correct. I knew you knew that one

1202
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 3: of each.

1203
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't positive it was one of.

1204
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 3: Each, but it was one of each.

1205
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: It was Boston Braves nineteen fourteen and Milwaukee Braves in

1206
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven.

1207
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 3: What is your guilty pleasure?

1208
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: It was nic Grette, but I quit it. I'm very,

1209
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 1: very happy about that many many years of doing that shit,

1210
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: and I got a hypnotist and I and I did

1211
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: it and I quit it.

1212
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: The hypnotis worked.

1213
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: It worked. He was a quick smoking hypnotist. Yeah, and

1214
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: it freaking worked. No, And I was like, no way.

1215
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: So I go I go for my physical and my

1216
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: doctor calls me and she was like, hey, so you're

1217
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: pre diabetic. And I was like what, and she's like,

1218
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: I know, it doesn't make any sense. Your numbers came

1219
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: back as pre diabetic. You're I know how much you work,

1220
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: I know how you work out. I know what you eat,

1221
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: like I eat right, I don't really drink hardly ever.

1222
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I know, I don't get it.

1223
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't get it either. I want

1224
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: to test you again. I was like okay. I tested

1225
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: again a month later and she was like, you're pre diabetic.

1226
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: So Karen, my wife, who's like she helps women through

1227
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: menopause and personal trainer and yoga instructor. She's just a

1228
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: warrior and a health nut, and she was like, you

1229
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: texted me and she's like, you fucking idiot. It's a nicorette.

1230
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: So yes, it has because it has that. It's all

1231
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 1: sugar free, so it.

1232
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: Has that fake sugar stuff, fake sugar stuff.

1233
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: Which triggers your body and the thing. And I was

1234
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: consuming so much of it. Anyone who takes niggarette knows

1235
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: that it's worse, not worse for you. You're smoking, certainly,

1236
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: but you consume so much of it. Like I never

1237
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: didn't have a piece of my mouth ever. Ever, there

1238
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: was always a piece of my mouth, whether there's a

1239
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: mint or a gum or whatever. And it's so it

1240
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: was definitely messing with my So so a friend was like,

1241
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: gay man should try the shypnotist. And I did it

1242
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: and it worked.

1243
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

1244
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible.

1245
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the last question. It's the most important

1246
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: question to me. Okay, when is it iced coffee season?

1247
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: Always I think you can do it. Whenever I think

1248
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: you can do it whenever.

1249
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 3: Now you can do it whenever I do.

1250
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, there's I don't do it

1251
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: in the winter, but why not? Like but for me,

1252
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: I would say I would go and and for me

1253
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: it's just like in every now and then, after I've

1254
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: had my morning coffee, my morning coffee will always be hot, hot,

1255
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: no matter what. Yep, An afternoon to light. I would

1256
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: do it anywhere from say May to late August early September.

1257
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: What about you? You obviously it's year round.

1258
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: The answer is year round, and I only I only

1259
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: have it iced in the morning. If I'm camping, I

1260
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: might have it hot, but like, oh yeah morning, dead

1261
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: of winter, it's iced because I want it like in

1262
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: my veins.

1263
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: I want to drink it quickly. I want it immediately.

1264
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: See, it's so interesting to me. The immediacy comes from

1265
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: that hot and it has to be hot.

1266
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, I get if I get.

1267
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: Half a cup and it's and I'm getting warm chips

1268
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: tossed the cup. Yeah, can't do it. Can't do it.

1269
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 3: But at least you allow me to have it year round.

1270
01:02:58,520 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: I do.

1271
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: Of course you can, because you know you can do

1272
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: whatever you want.

1273
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 3: I knew, I like I knew.

1274
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: I liked to Michael Kelly, this was so delightful and

1275
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: wonderful and I'm so glad it happened.

1276
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1277
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough. It's it's an honor spend

1278
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: an hour with you, and I'm grateful, so thank.

1279
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: You, Oh, thank you.

1280
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: Coming up next week on off the Cup, I talked

1281
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: to Broadway star of In the Heights, The Lion King,

1282
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 2: Hell's Kitchen, and of course Hamilton Christopher Jackson.

1283
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: Glynn and I are on stage during the performance of

1284
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: In the Heights and he says to me, I'm my

1285
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: next thing. I think.

1286
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 3: I was like, cool, what is it?

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Speaker 2: He's like, It's a hip hop concept album about the

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Speaker 2: Treasury Secretary. Time to go on out and then we

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Speaker 2: go out into the big number of ninety six thousand, right,

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Speaker 2: so what? Off the Cup is a production of iHeart

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Speaker 2: Podcasts as part of the Reason Choice Network.

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Speaker 3: If you want more, check out the other.

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Speaker 2: Reason Choice podcasts Spolitics with Jamel Hill and Native Land pod.

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Speaker 2: For Off the Cup, I am your host Se Cup.

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Speaker 2: Editing and sound design by Derek Clements. Our executive producers

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Speaker 2: are me Se Cup, Lauren Hanson, and Lindsay Hoffman.

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Speaker 3: Rate and review wherever you

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