WEBVTT - Lakers/Knicks Postgame Spaces 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:18.040 M M all right, welcome to say the Lakers post 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:19.840 game so on Dash Radio. Thank you guys so much 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.480 for coming to hang out with Rog and I. Um, 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.560 I am so glad that the Lakers at least showed 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.600 some fight there in that second half, because, as Roger 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:29.600 and I always complain about, it's just so hard to 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.720 learn anything about the team, about the scheme, about the lineups, 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.960 about the players when they aren't playing hard, when they're 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.120 mailing it in. And it kind of looked like it 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.120 was headed in that direction as another one of those 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.760 nights where the Lakers just we're gonna get out classed 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.880 in every facet of the game from a give a 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.760 ship standpoint, And obviously they started to show some fight 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.240 and we got to learn some interesting stuff. Um. But 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:56.880 first of all, Roger, how you doing, man? I hope 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.480 you're having a good week so far, and I'm looking 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.120 forward to into the bottoms of stuff tonight. Yeah. So, 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.080 like full disclosure disclosure, I was dropping my mom off 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.440 at L A X and it's an international flight, so 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.080 I was just staying staying there and I peeked at 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.000 the score and we're down like twenty already. I think 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:15.960 with what like five minutes gone, So I'm gonna need 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:17.679 you to kind of film me in on that part. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.680 I walked in around the third quarter, I think like 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.360 eight or nine minutes still left in the third quarter, 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.360 But walk me through. What what the hell happened to start? 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.520 Was it the starters? Was it Bradley DeAndre Jordan's just 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.720 not bidding? Uh? Did Russ turn it on? Kind of? 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.800 I know he had eighteen in the third Was there 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.200 some aggression showing? So film me in there. So I 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.399 kind of have a it's weird, I'm looking at an 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.039 incomplete game to me, like the Lakers were in the 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.080 close game the whole time. Like I started from the 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.199 third and it was like a three point game or something. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.160 So for me, I saw a good game. I don't 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.840 know about you guys, and I saw a pretty good game. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.320 You should be you should be thankful that you missed 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.120 the beginning. I mean, so, I thought the story at 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.880 the beginning the game was transition defense. And you know, 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.279 there's kind of two there's two parts to that because um, 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.400 part of transition defense has to do with like your 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.960 overall foot speed as a lineup, right, So when you 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.040 go with Anthony Davis, who you know, as we've frequently 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:14.000 talked about Anthony Davis's strengths as a as a as 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.680 a basketball player primarily have to do with his size 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:21.040 and length in conjunction with his defensive instincts and his 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.519 uh skill set, you know, is his ability to be 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.800 more coordinated and and and you know, his ability to 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.960 do things offensively that most bigs are are don't have 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.679 the touch or the basketball like you to be able 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:36.240 to do the truth of the matter is that he's 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.320 not overly fast and like a linear you know, just 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.880 running wind sprints up and down the floor. And then 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.360 obviously when you run that in conjunction with DeAndre Jordan, 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:48.000 who's flat out slow, you can have a situation where 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:52.120 the overall foot speed of the lineup is is problematic. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.000 And obviously the Knicks were just running up and down 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.160 the floor and shooting the lights out and getting anything 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.519 they wanted. But you know, there are there are dead 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.240 giveaways to me that associate transition defense with effort, and 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.760 a good example of that is like, for instance, there 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.440 was a play, you know, there were several plays early 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.320 in the game where the trailer was wide open. If 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.200 the trailer is wide open, that's an example of guys 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:19.560 not running back because typically in transition defense, you sprint, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.280 all five guys sprint, try to get a foot in 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.880 the paint, and then from there they spread out too shooters. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.280 And so if you get to the rim and you 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.840 take away whatever the easy runout is, and there's only 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.840 four guys there, or there's only three guys there, then 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.280 naturally there's gonna be somebody trailing the play who's wide open. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.680 And and like the Knicks got a lot of really 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:40.960 good three point looks out of that. There's another play 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:42.920 in the second quarter, early in the second quarter when 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.200 the when the wheels were really coming off, where Dwight 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.680 Howard was guarding New Orland's Noel. New Orleans Noel was 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.680 jogging down the floor and Obi Toppin got wide open 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.920 on the back end for a like a half court 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.160 lob and he ended up dunking on like Wayne Ellington, 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.360 and Wayne Ellington jumped up and tried to not get free, 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.960 and Obie Tompa just kind of dunked over the top. 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.240 If you're like, if the big man runs back and 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.160 puts a foot in the paint and he turns around 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.480 and he looks and he sees near Land's noel and 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.520 he thinks he's good. But the other guards and forwards 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:16.279 in the lineup are just simply not running back. That's laziness. 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:21.120 That's not lineups, that's not personnel. That's laziness. And then 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.080 the other big part of it was rim pressure. The 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:25.840 game turned around. You know, we talked all the time 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.680 that the the the You can't just to ask someone 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.880 to drive to the basket every single time because it's 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.880 too fatiguing. It's not realistic to ask an athlete to 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.000 put in the physical labor it takes to drive to 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.360 the basket every time. That said, there needs to be 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.120 a certain amount of balance there. You need to at 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.560 least attempts to frequently put pressure on the rim or 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.559 your shot quality will go to hell really fast. And 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.039 in the late second quarter and progressing through the rest 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.240 of the second half, both Russell Westbrook and Anthony Davis 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.320 put a great deal of rim pressure, actually made a 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:02.039 conservative effort, concerted effort to get to the basket, and 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.040 the Lakers started getting good shot quality. They started making shots, 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.640 which allowed them to set their defense, which allowed them 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.240 to get stops, which allowed them to get out in transition. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.320 It's that same you know, snowball effect that I always 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.760 talked about. It's the thing that defines Laker basketball. Getting stops, 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.520 getting out in transition and getting easy shots, and that 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:25.000 all that all starts with them being able to put 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.760 pressure on the rim, which is the biggest strength of 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.839 this lineup, and early in the game they were simply 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:35.000 not making that concerted effort. And so those two things, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.799 to me, the transition defense and the lack of rim pressure, 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.520 are clear indicators of poor effort. And it's confusing to 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.680 me because this is back to back games now where 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.400 the Lakers have shown a lot of fight when they 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:50.400 got down big, but but them coming into the game, 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.000 this lacks of daisical. Them coming into the game without 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:58.800 belief in their system is to meet another indictment of 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.840 the coach. And I think guys finally kicking it into 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.599 gear and finally starting to put their foot on the 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.239 gas in attempt to fight back and win the game 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.400 is more indicative of just competitive nature. You're in the game, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.039 you're getting your butt kicked. Guys on the other team 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.240 are talking trash to you, they're playing up to the crowd. 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.240 The crowd's yelling at you. Finally your competitive nature will 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.360 kick in and you'll fight back, and I think that's 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.440 what we saw in both games. But them coming out 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:31.240 the gate without that, to me, continues that trend, that 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.600 theme that I've been preaching about for the last week, 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.840 which is, I don't think this group is bought into 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.520 the coaching staff, and I don't believe. I don't think 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.680 they believe in what they're doing, which is problematic. And 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.560 obviously there's a bunch of other stuff that we're going 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.840 to get into, like that you saw in the third quarter, 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.080 in the fourth quarter having to do with problems with 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.880 the zone and having to do with the manual quickly 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.320 getting going. But that was the story at the beginning 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:53.880 of the game. Story the beginning of the game was 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:58.320 no rim pressure and no transition defense. Yeah, this is 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.560 another game where when I look at this, or kind 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:01.960 of at the end the end of the first quarter, 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:03.960 I thought like, this is a game Maybe Vogels just 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.480 fired after this one lose by thirty to a NIXT 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.880 team that's down. I think Derrick Rose and and someone 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.440 else I was thinking about it, though, Like we talked 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.120 a lot about scheme and scheme combined with effort and 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.000 that stuff you have to get to but you can't 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.840 get to scheme without effort, right like, and like an 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.040 analogy I was kind of thinking of. It's like when 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.200 you start to like a long time ago, when I 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:24.880 was starting to work out, go to the gym. You 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:26.920 do all this research track, like, oh, what's the best 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.520 work out to do? What's the best like meal plan 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.120 to do? And I read something that like stuck with me. 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.760 I forgot where it was from. This was before like 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.560 you know, it's like a billion dollar business. Now you 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.120 have all these influencers who are fitness influence and stuff. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:40.760 But I saw like a quote that really stuck with 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.600 me and goes, the best workout is the one you 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.080 actually do right like and the best meal and the 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:47.840 best meal the best meal plan is the one you 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:49.720 actually stick to, right And there's all these extremes, And 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.040 that's kind of how I'm seeing this team as well. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.920 I think we're better as a switching team, but again, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:56.800 the effort. If the effort is not there, I thought 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.400 I saw DeAndre Jordan Avery Bradley again getting killed and 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.880 I'm sure that's again the drop coverage. I don't like 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.720 that on manual quickly. But again, that's a you can't 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.040 get to scheme without effort. And I think you're right, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.320 this team is really coming out. Lack of daisical and 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.000 it's been clear my position. I'm not on the fire 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.560 Vogel because I think that solves maybe some issues. I 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.680 feel like that's a short term solution to a bigger 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.760 issue this team has. But if that's the only way 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.680 they'll wake up, like to me, firing Vogel is the 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.040 same thing I keep comparing it to like taking DeAndre 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.480 Jordan now the starting lineup, like that helps, but that 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.280 that's a band aid, that's something that has other unintended consequences. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.520 But maybe the teams just there. I didn't get to 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.800 watch the first half. I don't know how ugly or 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.400 how bad that effort was. Um, but yeah, that's kind 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.280 of my thing here. You can't even get to you 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:41.760 can just go ahead and make a mental note that 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:46.360 it was really bad. Yeah, I figured, yeah, again and 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.719 again Russ picked it up in the third quarter. Um, 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.480 I got to see that. I would like to see 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:51.880 that a little bit more in the first quarter. I 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.960 know it's tough with the two big line up. Eighteen 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:55.839 points of his twenty four I think at the time 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.120 was in the third So let me know, like, how 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.320 did Russ pick it up? Did it start a little 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.440 bit in the second quarter, a little bit ending that 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.480 ending that half, or or was it just a third quarter? 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.200 Kind of pushed by him because I saw we were 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.480 down twelve at halftime, which to me, a guy who 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.640 didn't watch the game, dial that's not too bad. But 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.360 obviously they were down, like I think it was, it 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.800 was like the second quarter, but that was just you know, 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.000 so they got down. I can't remember exactly how much 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:21.960 it was off the top of my head, but they 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.840 were down right around there. And like I said, there's 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.440 a there's a you can only sit there and and 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:34.280 watch your team get railed without you know. It's one 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.240 thing if you're the Orlando Magic and you're going into 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.600 Milwaukee and Milwaukee just has better guys than you, and 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.680 when they're trying, there's nothing you can do to stop them. 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.679 That's that's a completely different vibe. It's different when your 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.280 Carmelo Anthony and you're Wayne Ellington and you're you know, 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:56.040 Anthony Davis, and your Russell Russell Westbrook and you know, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.760 you're good, arguably better than the guy across from you 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.240 and he's whipping your ass up and down the floor. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.120 At that point, something is gonna kick into your competitive 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.560 nature and you're gonna start to see some fight. And 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.920 that's what you saw. And again it all just like 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.880 it all started, in my opinion, with rim pressure. And 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.520 obviously anytime you score basket, it makes you feel better 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.280 about yourself, it makes you a little bit more willing 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.240 to do the dirty work. Um. But so getting into 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.560 the the part of the game, because for the record, guys, 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.920 we're not going to dwell too much on the Frank 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.240 Vogel thing. We got into that really deep on the 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.960 Sunday Pots. So for those of you who want to 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.400 hear our take on the Frank Vogel situation, I'm pro 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:42.880 firing Frank Rags pro keeping him. Go to my Twitter 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.360 feed and scroll down a Roger Twitter feed you'll find 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:46.920 a link to the show. Or just go on any 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.840 of your podcasts uh feeds and search for State of 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.480 the Lakers and listen to our last episode. We do 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.040 a real deep dive into Frank, what it would look 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.000 like to get rid of him, the reason why I 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:58.920 think it would work, and the reason why Roger thinks 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.400 we should keep him. But diving into what was the problem, 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.120 because once they started trying, there are a couple of 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.920 things that that stood out to me because I think 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.920 this is a same team too, and the reason why 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:14.200 is because they're lazy on defense. Okay, however, you know 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.559 when they do buy in where does try, they are 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.200 capable of doing a certain amount of work on the defensive. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.680 So if you ask them to do an extremely difficult job, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.440 which is Frank's original defensive scheme, which is a drop 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.720 coverage which requires guards to fight over the top of screen. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.280 He he really really wants the guard and the big 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.640 to be able to shut down the action through back 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.000 pressure from the guard chasing over the top and the 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.040 big man kind of disrupting things at the point of 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.560 attack while also keeping enough distance to where he can 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.400 deter the lob and deter the rin. So from that standpoint, 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.880 that job is extremely difficult, and most of these guards 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.400 can't do it, and so they don't believe in it, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.199 and so they don't do the work, so that coverage 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.720 doesn't work, and so you have these other two defenses 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.679 that Frank has been going to, which is switching, which 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.200 takes the physical labor of defense and turns it into 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.679 a mental labor. Instead of having to chase over the 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.840 top or or run or be physical and and and 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.080 do all of the dirty work. It's a mental job. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.319 All you have to do is communicate and pay attention. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.720 If you're paying attention to what's happening around you, you 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.200 see screens coming, you see where they're coming from, You 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.679 see who it is. You talk to the other defender. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.320 You you plan a switch, you talk a switch, you 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.600 make a switch. You're good. That's an easier job, so 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:38.040 the guys are more willing to do it. And then 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.680 you have the zone defense, which is obviously a lot 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.480 easier physically because you're not asking guys to fight through screens, 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.760 and you're not asking guys to cover a lot of ground. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.880 They're just responsible for an area on the floor, and 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.040 generally speaking, you're willing to give up driving lanes because 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:57.080 there's someone behind you. And the problem with it, though, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.000 as you saw, was and I'm sure you saw this 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.240 when you checked in in the third a quarter, the 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.200 Nicks just flat out solved it. And the big part 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.240 that they figured out was if they rotated the ball 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.600 on the perimeter, the weak side corner would eventually be 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.480 wide open for a backcut and you saw be you 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:13.719 saw it will be top and get a bunch of 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.800 dunks out of that. And then they were also starting 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.800 to get some really high quality three point looks out 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.880 of it as well. The point is is the zone 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.160 is jenky. The zone is jenkie. It's gimmicky. It's not 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.160 gonna work. The zone has to go. If you're gonna 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:25.880 use the zone, it needs to be in very short 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.760 spurts two or three possessions, or maybe after a made 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.400 free throw here, or they're just to confuse the other team. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.920 But it cannot be your bread and butter. It cannot 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.760 be a thing you run seven eight possessions in a 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.079 row because guys are going to solve it. The switching 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.600 defense is a thing that you can actually run consistently. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.080 Everyone says, we don't have the defenders at the point 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.520 of attack to run a switching defense. That's true, but 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.160 we also don't have the defenders at the point of 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.920 attack to run a traditional drop coverage or any other 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.160 traditional man to man defense. The switching defense, at the 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.679 very least, even if it does give up matchups that 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.559 will hurt the team at the very least, it stagnates 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.600 the other. At the very least, it turns them into 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.880 an isolation team. At the very least, you can offer 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.920 help on the backside and hope that your rotations on 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.280 the back end will cover from some of that ground. 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.720 I think they need to go into more switching and 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.960 less zone and and kind of do what the Houston 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.080 Rockets did in two thousand eight. Teams switch every single 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:22.920 day for the rest of the season, and by the 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.000 time the playoffs come, you'll be very good at it. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.120 They the Houston Rockets ran that defense strictly to be 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.760 prepared for that Western Conference Finals matchup, and a damn 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.600 near worked. That wasn't They weren't running it for the 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.080 regular season. They weren't running it for a first round matchup, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.560 for a second round matchup. It was strictly a game 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.280 plan for the Warriors. It was strictly a game plan 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:45.760 for the postseason. And that's kind of the way that 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.080 I look at this. They're going to have to switch 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.480 because they don't have the personnel to run anything else. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.880 Lean heavily into it. Now, get good at it, and 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.120 then maybe that can be something you can lean on, 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.360 like the Brooklyn Netts last year to defend well enough 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:05.160 so that your offense can carry you in the big moments. Well, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.160 I mean, to be honest, they might just not have 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.000 their personnel for a good defense. Like, just like with 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.760 with what I'm watching, I might agree with you, like 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.240 switching might be the answer, but again that there's other 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.120 issues with that. To me, you can't switch with like 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.040 two to three players that are unswitchable, you know what 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.160 I mean, Like you can't switch with Carmelo and Malik 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.760 Munk and Wayne Ellington on the floor and a D 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.080 as your backup as as the only center right Like, 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.800 there's it causes way too many problems. We went to 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.600 a D at the five a lot tonight. I thought 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.000 they hunted Milik Monk. I thought they hunted Carmelo Anthony 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.920 in that second half, our defense did pick up. I 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.880 don't like, like a lot of people say, go to 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.720 that zone and it's a nice switch up. I just 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.680 think NBA teams are too good to run that too consistently. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.520 To me, a zone is kind of like you're not forfeiting, 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.440 but you're kind of showing that you can't defend and 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.320 as if the zone is the only way they're they 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.880 compete and they give effort. Like to me, that's another issue. 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.960 And if of itself, like I don't like the zone, Look, 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.480 that's not something you can build in identity do with it. 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.000 And it's also something our coach obviously is very much against. 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:05.960 Frank Vogel came out against his own and it's just 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.800 not a way that he likes to run. We have 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:09.880 to find some way to play. And maybe again it's 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.920 just personnel. We're playing a lot of guys. To me, 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.240 where it's a lot of trade off basketball and that's 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.080 where this team is. This team might just be a 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.000 five team right now, Like that's that might just be 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:20.560 how good they are right now. They're gonna win and 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.960 lose some back and forth. Russell Westbrook put him back 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.920 in the game again tonight. We'll see how many times 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:26.840 he can do that. But with the defense, I don't 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.800 really see an answer here. And this is why to me, 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.680 Vogel is starting Avery Bradley, and I know that drives 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.600 people crazy. It's starting DeAndre Jordan's who might not have 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.560 a job in the NBA if it wasn't for this team. 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.280 It should an archetype of defense that he likes and 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.680 I think he would rather, you know, have a guard 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.760 kill you in the mid range or a guard scoring 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.440 over DeAndre Jordan's than being able to get picked on 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.320 or have Anthony Davis at the top of the key. 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.480 So I don't really know where we go with this 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.160 until I guess Lebron comes back. Lebron needs to be 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.640 the defensive kind of he needs to play at an 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.520 all defense level, and is that realistic? So I'm not 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.000 really sure where we go with this team. And it's 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.240 just the team. I thought. Domin, who's uh, one of 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.720 the dominant one of our friends, he said something interesting. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.760 Is this the team that gets down five or is 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.400 this a team that came back? And I think they're 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.320 both right there. This team is both. They're both yeah. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.680 And again like blaming this on I keep harping back 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:17.240 on this. I know we don't want to talk about 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.040 Frank Vogel very much, and those those are the Frank 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.399 Vogel rumors and stuff will continue to get louder. But 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.040 like to me, I don't know. I can't see Russ 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.280 who's been a coach under Frank, who's been coached by 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.679 Frank voga less than a couple of months, um, just 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.159 already already going into the Yeah, I can't play for 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.199 this coach, you know what I mean. Like that's and 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:37.760 we have a bunch of new players on this team 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.080 where it's Frank Vogel's first time coaching them as well. 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.359 I think Tanna that their tanta of the fourteen new 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.600 players or something are new. Like so, like that's where 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.240 that's where the separation to me is in the in 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.359 the Frank Vogels lost the team. He has barely coached 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.600 this team like this, He's coached a D and Lebron 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.240 and maybe losing them is everything. But like that, that's 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.119 where I can't get to that they're just they just 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.240 sucked because of they're not buying it. That that's where 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.760 I can't jump to, if you know what I mean. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:07.080 But yeah, with the good, it's it's it's a combination 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.000 of three factors. And this is something that I've preached 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.840 about this entire season. It's it's it's it's three factors. Equally, 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.320 it's the it's the inability of Frank to be able 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:23.120 to understand modern offensive concepts well enough to put these 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:27.120 guys in position to succeed. Because again, that's that's one 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.600 of the little pieces of the pie because again, if 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:33.320 you look, the Lakers are a bottom third offense, and 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.800 regardless of what you want to say about personnel and 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.440 regardless of what you want to say about effort, there's 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.000