1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: M M all right, welcome to say the Lakers post 2 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: game so on Dash Radio. Thank you guys so much 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: for coming to hang out with Rog and I. Um, 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: I am so glad that the Lakers at least showed 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: some fight there in that second half, because, as Roger 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: and I always complain about, it's just so hard to 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: learn anything about the team, about the scheme, about the lineups, 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: about the players when they aren't playing hard, when they're 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: mailing it in. And it kind of looked like it 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: was headed in that direction as another one of those 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: nights where the Lakers just we're gonna get out classed 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: in every facet of the game from a give a 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: ship standpoint, And obviously they started to show some fight 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: and we got to learn some interesting stuff. Um. But 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: first of all, Roger, how you doing, man? I hope 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: you're having a good week so far, and I'm looking 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: forward to into the bottoms of stuff tonight. Yeah. So, 18 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: like full disclosure disclosure, I was dropping my mom off 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: at L A X and it's an international flight, so 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: I was just staying staying there and I peeked at 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: the score and we're down like twenty already. I think 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: with what like five minutes gone, So I'm gonna need 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: you to kind of film me in on that part. 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: I walked in around the third quarter, I think like 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: eight or nine minutes still left in the third quarter, 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: But walk me through. What what the hell happened to start? 27 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Was it the starters? Was it Bradley DeAndre Jordan's just 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: not bidding? Uh? Did Russ turn it on? Kind of? 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: I know he had eighteen in the third Was there 30 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: some aggression showing? So film me in there. So I 31 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: kind of have a it's weird, I'm looking at an 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: incomplete game to me, like the Lakers were in the 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: close game the whole time. Like I started from the 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 1: third and it was like a three point game or something. 35 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: So for me, I saw a good game. I don't 36 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: know about you guys, and I saw a pretty good game. 37 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: You should be you should be thankful that you missed 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: the beginning. I mean, so, I thought the story at 39 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: the beginning the game was transition defense. And you know, 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 1: there's kind of two there's two parts to that because um, 41 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: part of transition defense has to do with like your 42 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: overall foot speed as a lineup, right, So when you 43 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: go with Anthony Davis, who you know, as we've frequently 44 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: talked about Anthony Davis's strengths as a as a as 45 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: a basketball player primarily have to do with his size 46 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: and length in conjunction with his defensive instincts and his 47 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: uh skill set, you know, is his ability to be 48 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: more coordinated and and and you know, his ability to 49 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: do things offensively that most bigs are are don't have 50 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: the touch or the basketball like you to be able 51 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: to do the truth of the matter is that he's 52 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: not overly fast and like a linear you know, just 53 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: running wind sprints up and down the floor. And then 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: obviously when you run that in conjunction with DeAndre Jordan, 55 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: who's flat out slow, you can have a situation where 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: the overall foot speed of the lineup is is problematic. 57 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: And obviously the Knicks were just running up and down 58 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: the floor and shooting the lights out and getting anything 59 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: they wanted. But you know, there are there are dead 60 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: giveaways to me that associate transition defense with effort, and 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: a good example of that is like, for instance, there 62 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: was a play, you know, there were several plays early 63 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: in the game where the trailer was wide open. If 64 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: the trailer is wide open, that's an example of guys 65 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: not running back because typically in transition defense, you sprint, 66 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: all five guys sprint, try to get a foot in 67 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: the paint, and then from there they spread out too shooters. 68 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: And so if you get to the rim and you 69 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: take away whatever the easy runout is, and there's only 70 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: four guys there, or there's only three guys there, then 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: naturally there's gonna be somebody trailing the play who's wide open. 72 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: And and like the Knicks got a lot of really 73 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: good three point looks out of that. There's another play 74 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: in the second quarter, early in the second quarter when 75 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: the when the wheels were really coming off, where Dwight 76 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: Howard was guarding New Orland's Noel. New Orleans Noel was 77 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: jogging down the floor and Obi Toppin got wide open 78 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: on the back end for a like a half court 79 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: lob and he ended up dunking on like Wayne Ellington, 80 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: and Wayne Ellington jumped up and tried to not get free, 81 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: and Obie Tompa just kind of dunked over the top. 82 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: If you're like, if the big man runs back and 83 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: puts a foot in the paint and he turns around 84 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: and he looks and he sees near Land's noel and 85 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: he thinks he's good. But the other guards and forwards 86 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: in the lineup are just simply not running back. That's laziness. 87 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: That's not lineups, that's not personnel. That's laziness. And then 88 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: the other big part of it was rim pressure. The 89 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: game turned around. You know, we talked all the time 90 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: that the the the You can't just to ask someone 91 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: to drive to the basket every single time because it's 92 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: too fatiguing. It's not realistic to ask an athlete to 93 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: put in the physical labor it takes to drive to 94 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: the basket every time. That said, there needs to be 95 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: a certain amount of balance there. You need to at 96 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: least attempts to frequently put pressure on the rim or 97 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,559 Speaker 1: your shot quality will go to hell really fast. And 98 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: in the late second quarter and progressing through the rest 99 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: of the second half, both Russell Westbrook and Anthony Davis 100 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: put a great deal of rim pressure, actually made a 101 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: conservative effort, concerted effort to get to the basket, and 102 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: the Lakers started getting good shot quality. They started making shots, 103 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: which allowed them to set their defense, which allowed them 104 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: to get stops, which allowed them to get out in transition. 105 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: It's that same you know, snowball effect that I always 106 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: talked about. It's the thing that defines Laker basketball. Getting stops, 107 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: getting out in transition and getting easy shots, and that 108 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: all that all starts with them being able to put 109 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: pressure on the rim, which is the biggest strength of 110 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: this lineup, and early in the game they were simply 111 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: not making that concerted effort. And so those two things, 112 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: to me, the transition defense and the lack of rim pressure, 113 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: are clear indicators of poor effort. And it's confusing to 114 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: me because this is back to back games now where 115 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: the Lakers have shown a lot of fight when they 116 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: got down big, but but them coming into the game, 117 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: this lacks of daisical. Them coming into the game without 118 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: belief in their system is to meet another indictment of 119 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: the coach. And I think guys finally kicking it into 120 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: gear and finally starting to put their foot on the 121 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 1: gas in attempt to fight back and win the game 122 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: is more indicative of just competitive nature. You're in the game, 123 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: you're getting your butt kicked. Guys on the other team 124 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: are talking trash to you, they're playing up to the crowd. 125 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: The crowd's yelling at you. Finally your competitive nature will 126 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: kick in and you'll fight back, and I think that's 127 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: what we saw in both games. But them coming out 128 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: the gate without that, to me, continues that trend, that 129 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: theme that I've been preaching about for the last week, 130 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: which is, I don't think this group is bought into 131 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: the coaching staff, and I don't believe. I don't think 132 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: they believe in what they're doing, which is problematic. And 133 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: obviously there's a bunch of other stuff that we're going 134 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: to get into, like that you saw in the third quarter, 135 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter having to do with problems with 136 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: the zone and having to do with the manual quickly 137 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: getting going. But that was the story at the beginning 138 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: of the game. Story the beginning of the game was 139 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: no rim pressure and no transition defense. Yeah, this is 140 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: another game where when I look at this, or kind 141 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: of at the end the end of the first quarter, 142 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: I thought like, this is a game Maybe Vogels just 143 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: fired after this one lose by thirty to a NIXT 144 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: team that's down. I think Derrick Rose and and someone 145 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: else I was thinking about it, though, Like we talked 146 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: a lot about scheme and scheme combined with effort and 147 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: that stuff you have to get to but you can't 148 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: get to scheme without effort, right like, and like an 149 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: analogy I was kind of thinking of. It's like when 150 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: you start to like a long time ago, when I 151 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: was starting to work out, go to the gym. You 152 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: do all this research track, like, oh, what's the best 153 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: work out to do? What's the best like meal plan 154 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: to do? And I read something that like stuck with me. 155 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: I forgot where it was from. This was before like 156 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's like a billion dollar business. Now you 157 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: have all these influencers who are fitness influence and stuff. 158 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: But I saw like a quote that really stuck with 159 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: me and goes, the best workout is the one you 160 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: actually do right like and the best meal and the 161 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: best meal the best meal plan is the one you 162 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: actually stick to, right And there's all these extremes, And 163 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: that's kind of how I'm seeing this team as well. 164 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: I think we're better as a switching team, but again, 165 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: the effort. If the effort is not there, I thought 166 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: I saw DeAndre Jordan Avery Bradley again getting killed and 167 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's again the drop coverage. I don't like 168 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: that on manual quickly. But again, that's a you can't 169 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: get to scheme without effort. And I think you're right, 170 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: this team is really coming out. Lack of daisical and 171 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: it's been clear my position. I'm not on the fire 172 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: Vogel because I think that solves maybe some issues. I 173 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: feel like that's a short term solution to a bigger 174 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: issue this team has. But if that's the only way 175 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: they'll wake up, like to me, firing Vogel is the 176 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: same thing I keep comparing it to like taking DeAndre 177 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Jordan now the starting lineup, like that helps, but that 178 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: that's a band aid, that's something that has other unintended consequences. 179 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: But maybe the teams just there. I didn't get to 180 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: watch the first half. I don't know how ugly or 181 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: how bad that effort was. Um, but yeah, that's kind 182 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: of my thing here. You can't even get to you 183 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: can just go ahead and make a mental note that 184 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: it was really bad. Yeah, I figured, yeah, again and 185 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: again Russ picked it up in the third quarter. Um, 186 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: I got to see that. I would like to see 187 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: that a little bit more in the first quarter. I 188 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: know it's tough with the two big line up. Eighteen 189 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: points of his twenty four I think at the time 190 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: was in the third So let me know, like, how 191 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: did Russ pick it up? Did it start a little 192 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: bit in the second quarter, a little bit ending that 193 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: ending that half, or or was it just a third quarter? 194 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: Kind of pushed by him because I saw we were 195 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: down twelve at halftime, which to me, a guy who 196 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: didn't watch the game, dial that's not too bad. But 197 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: obviously they were down, like I think it was, it 198 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: was like the second quarter, but that was just you know, 199 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: so they got down. I can't remember exactly how much 200 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: it was off the top of my head, but they 201 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: were down right around there. And like I said, there's 202 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: a there's a you can only sit there and and 203 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: watch your team get railed without you know. It's one 204 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: thing if you're the Orlando Magic and you're going into 205 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: Milwaukee and Milwaukee just has better guys than you, and 206 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: when they're trying, there's nothing you can do to stop them. 207 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: That's that's a completely different vibe. It's different when your 208 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony and you're Wayne Ellington and you're you know, 209 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, and your Russell Russell Westbrook and you know, 210 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: you're good, arguably better than the guy across from you 211 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: and he's whipping your ass up and down the floor. 212 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: At that point, something is gonna kick into your competitive 213 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: nature and you're gonna start to see some fight. And 214 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: that's what you saw. And again it all just like 215 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: it all started, in my opinion, with rim pressure. And 216 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: obviously anytime you score basket, it makes you feel better 217 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: about yourself, it makes you a little bit more willing 218 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: to do the dirty work. Um. But so getting into 219 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: the the part of the game, because for the record, guys, 220 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: we're not going to dwell too much on the Frank 221 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: Vogel thing. We got into that really deep on the 222 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: Sunday Pots. So for those of you who want to 223 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: hear our take on the Frank Vogel situation, I'm pro 224 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: firing Frank Rags pro keeping him. Go to my Twitter 225 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: feed and scroll down a Roger Twitter feed you'll find 226 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: a link to the show. Or just go on any 227 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: of your podcasts uh feeds and search for State of 228 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: the Lakers and listen to our last episode. We do 229 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: a real deep dive into Frank, what it would look 230 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: like to get rid of him, the reason why I 231 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: think it would work, and the reason why Roger thinks 232 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: we should keep him. But diving into what was the problem, 233 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: because once they started trying, there are a couple of 234 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: things that that stood out to me because I think 235 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: this is a same team too, and the reason why 236 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: is because they're lazy on defense. Okay, however, you know 237 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: when they do buy in where does try, they are 238 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: capable of doing a certain amount of work on the defensive. 239 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: So if you ask them to do an extremely difficult job, 240 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: which is Frank's original defensive scheme, which is a drop 241 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: coverage which requires guards to fight over the top of screen. 242 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: He he really really wants the guard and the big 243 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: to be able to shut down the action through back 244 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: pressure from the guard chasing over the top and the 245 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: big man kind of disrupting things at the point of 246 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: attack while also keeping enough distance to where he can 247 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: deter the lob and deter the rin. So from that standpoint, 248 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: that job is extremely difficult, and most of these guards 249 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: can't do it, and so they don't believe in it, 250 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: and so they don't do the work, so that coverage 251 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: doesn't work, and so you have these other two defenses 252 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: that Frank has been going to, which is switching, which 253 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: takes the physical labor of defense and turns it into 254 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: a mental labor. Instead of having to chase over the 255 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: top or or run or be physical and and and 256 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: do all of the dirty work. It's a mental job. 257 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: All you have to do is communicate and pay attention. 258 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: If you're paying attention to what's happening around you, you 259 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: see screens coming, you see where they're coming from, You 260 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: see who it is. You talk to the other defender. 261 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: You you plan a switch, you talk a switch, you 262 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: make a switch. You're good. That's an easier job, so 263 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: the guys are more willing to do it. And then 264 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: you have the zone defense, which is obviously a lot 265 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: easier physically because you're not asking guys to fight through screens, 266 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: and you're not asking guys to cover a lot of ground. 267 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: They're just responsible for an area on the floor, and 268 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: generally speaking, you're willing to give up driving lanes because 269 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: there's someone behind you. And the problem with it, though, 270 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: as you saw, was and I'm sure you saw this 271 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: when you checked in in the third a quarter, the 272 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: Nicks just flat out solved it. And the big part 273 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: that they figured out was if they rotated the ball 274 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: on the perimeter, the weak side corner would eventually be 275 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: wide open for a backcut and you saw be you 276 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: saw it will be top and get a bunch of 277 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: dunks out of that. And then they were also starting 278 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: to get some really high quality three point looks out 279 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: of it as well. The point is is the zone 280 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: is jenky. The zone is jenkie. It's gimmicky. It's not 281 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: gonna work. The zone has to go. If you're gonna 282 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: use the zone, it needs to be in very short 283 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: spurts two or three possessions, or maybe after a made 284 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: free throw here, or they're just to confuse the other team. 285 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: But it cannot be your bread and butter. It cannot 286 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: be a thing you run seven eight possessions in a 287 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: row because guys are going to solve it. The switching 288 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: defense is a thing that you can actually run consistently. 289 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: Everyone says, we don't have the defenders at the point 290 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: of attack to run a switching defense. That's true, but 291 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: we also don't have the defenders at the point of 292 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: attack to run a traditional drop coverage or any other 293 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: traditional man to man defense. The switching defense, at the 294 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: very least, even if it does give up matchups that 295 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: will hurt the team at the very least, it stagnates 296 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: the other. At the very least, it turns them into 297 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: an isolation team. At the very least, you can offer 298 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: help on the backside and hope that your rotations on 299 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: the back end will cover from some of that ground. 300 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: I think they need to go into more switching and 301 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: less zone and and kind of do what the Houston 302 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: Rockets did in two thousand eight. Teams switch every single 303 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: day for the rest of the season, and by the 304 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: time the playoffs come, you'll be very good at it. 305 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: They the Houston Rockets ran that defense strictly to be 306 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: prepared for that Western Conference Finals matchup, and a damn 307 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: near worked. That wasn't They weren't running it for the 308 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: regular season. They weren't running it for a first round matchup, 309 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: for a second round matchup. It was strictly a game 310 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: plan for the Warriors. It was strictly a game plan 311 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: for the postseason. And that's kind of the way that 312 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: I look at this. They're going to have to switch 313 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: because they don't have the personnel to run anything else. 314 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: Lean heavily into it. Now, get good at it, and 315 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: then maybe that can be something you can lean on, 316 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: like the Brooklyn Netts last year to defend well enough 317 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: so that your offense can carry you in the big moments. Well, 318 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, they might just not have 319 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: their personnel for a good defense. Like, just like with 320 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: with what I'm watching, I might agree with you, like 321 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: switching might be the answer, but again that there's other 322 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: issues with that. To me, you can't switch with like 323 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: two to three players that are unswitchable, you know what 324 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Like you can't switch with Carmelo and Malik 325 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: Munk and Wayne Ellington on the floor and a D 326 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: as your backup as as the only center right Like, 327 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: there's it causes way too many problems. We went to 328 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: a D at the five a lot tonight. I thought 329 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: they hunted Milik Monk. I thought they hunted Carmelo Anthony 330 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: in that second half, our defense did pick up. I 331 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: don't like, like a lot of people say, go to 332 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: that zone and it's a nice switch up. I just 333 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: think NBA teams are too good to run that too consistently. 334 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: To me, a zone is kind of like you're not forfeiting, 335 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: but you're kind of showing that you can't defend and 336 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: as if the zone is the only way they're they 337 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: compete and they give effort. Like to me, that's another issue. 338 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: And if of itself, like I don't like the zone, Look, 339 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: that's not something you can build in identity do with it. 340 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: And it's also something our coach obviously is very much against. 341 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: Frank Vogel came out against his own and it's just 342 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: not a way that he likes to run. We have 343 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: to find some way to play. And maybe again it's 344 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: just personnel. We're playing a lot of guys. To me, 345 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: where it's a lot of trade off basketball and that's 346 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: where this team is. This team might just be a 347 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: five team right now, Like that's that might just be 348 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: how good they are right now. They're gonna win and 349 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: lose some back and forth. Russell Westbrook put him back 350 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: in the game again tonight. We'll see how many times 351 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: he can do that. But with the defense, I don't 352 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: really see an answer here. And this is why to me, 353 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: Vogel is starting Avery Bradley, and I know that drives 354 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: people crazy. It's starting DeAndre Jordan's who might not have 355 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: a job in the NBA if it wasn't for this team. 356 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: It should an archetype of defense that he likes and 357 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: I think he would rather, you know, have a guard 358 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: kill you in the mid range or a guard scoring 359 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: over DeAndre Jordan's than being able to get picked on 360 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: or have Anthony Davis at the top of the key. 361 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: So I don't really know where we go with this 362 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: until I guess Lebron comes back. Lebron needs to be 363 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: the defensive kind of he needs to play at an 364 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: all defense level, and is that realistic? So I'm not 365 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: really sure where we go with this team. And it's 366 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: just the team. I thought. Domin, who's uh, one of 367 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: the dominant one of our friends, he said something interesting. 368 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: Is this the team that gets down five or is 369 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: this a team that came back? And I think they're 370 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: both right there. This team is both. They're both yeah. 371 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: And again like blaming this on I keep harping back 372 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: on this. I know we don't want to talk about 373 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: Frank Vogel very much, and those those are the Frank 374 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: Vogel rumors and stuff will continue to get louder. But 375 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: like to me, I don't know. I can't see Russ 376 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: who's been a coach under Frank, who's been coached by 377 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: Frank voga less than a couple of months, um, just 378 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: already already going into the Yeah, I can't play for 379 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: this coach, you know what I mean. Like that's and 380 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: we have a bunch of new players on this team 381 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: where it's Frank Vogel's first time coaching them as well. 382 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: I think Tanna that their tanta of the fourteen new 383 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: players or something are new. Like so, like that's where 384 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: that's where the separation to me is in the in 385 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: the Frank Vogels lost the team. He has barely coached 386 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: this team like this, He's coached a D and Lebron 387 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: and maybe losing them is everything. But like that, that's 388 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: where I can't get to that they're just they just 389 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: sucked because of they're not buying it. That that's where 390 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: I can't jump to, if you know what I mean. 391 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, with the good, it's it's it's a combination 392 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: of three factors. And this is something that I've preached 393 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: about this entire season. It's it's it's it's three factors. Equally, 394 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: it's the it's the inability of Frank to be able 395 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: to understand modern offensive concepts well enough to put these 396 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: guys in position to succeed. Because again, that's that's one 397 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: of the little pieces of the pie because again, if 398 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: you look, the Lakers are a bottom third offense, and 399 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: regardless of what you want to say about personnel and 400 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: regardless of what you want to say about effort, there's 401 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: a lot of of offensive talent on the floor for 402 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: the Lakers. That's not where the talent shortcomings are. And 403 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: they still can't score. They still can't score. So to me, 404 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: that is indicative of a coach that doesn't understand how 405 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: to use his offensive personnel. And then the second little 406 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: chunk of the pie chart is that buying concept that 407 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: we talked about were we won't get too far into, 408 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, if you're if you're ranking, you 409 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: know the the the willingness of of these players, these stars, 410 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: these role players to do the job the coach is 411 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: asking them to do. They're very low in the league 412 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: in terms of their buying Okay, so that's the those 413 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: are that's two of the three pieces, and I would 414 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: argue both of those are associated directly to Frank. Now 415 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that the players don't share blame for 416 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: the effort, but they but for whatever reason, Frank isn't 417 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: able to get that out of it. And then the 418 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: third piece of the chart is The third piece of 419 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: the chart is personnel. They they have personnel shortcomings there. 420 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: They have a lack of forwards, they have a lack 421 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: of um, they have a lack of of defensive personnel, 422 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: guys who are willing on their own volition to do 423 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: the defensive job. That's a whole other issue that you 424 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: can't put on Frank. That I agree with, But the 425 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: other two thirds you can't. And you know, here's the 426 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: thing with the DeAndre Jordan thing. And I think we've 427 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: gotten to the point now where this absolutely has to 428 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: be said. Okay, Frank plays DeAndre Jordan for two reasons. 429 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: He believes it improves them defensively. He believes it helps 430 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: them with defensive rebound. Though the numbers don't match. Yeah, 431 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: the numbers very clearly state the exact opposite. With the 432 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: with DeAndrea on the floor, with Lebron Russ and Anthony Davis, 433 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: they rebound less than a third. They rebound less than 434 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: two thirds of of of opponent's misses. That would rank 435 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: dead last in the league. With DeAndre Jordan on the 436 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: floor and with Lebron, A d and Russ, they give 437 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: up about a hundred and fifteen points per a hundred 438 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: possessions that would rank dead last in the league. So 439 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: I in the film matches it. So I, honest to God, 440 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: don't know what he's thinking. It's like it's it's a 441 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: concept that's in his brain that doesn't match up with 442 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: what's happening on the court. And to me, that's an 443 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: indictment of him in his ability to bring the best 444 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: out of this group. And and I don't saying how 445 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: that keeps getting glossed over and all of this because 446 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: because it and it goes even a step further, even 447 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: beyond the defensive rebound, and even if beyond the defensive end, 448 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: they get run off the damn floor every time in 449 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: transition because the over the overall foot speed of the 450 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: lineup is too slow. And so like if you're spotting 451 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: a team twelve minutes like that every night, it's no wonder. 452 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: They get off to a bad start, and then the 453 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: guys don't believe in what Frank's doing, and then the 454 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: effort tanks, and then they find themselves down by twenty 455 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: or thirty points, and then suddenly they give a ship 456 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: and suddenly, without DJ on the floor, they go on 457 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: a run now tonight. They actually did go play well 458 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: with DJ on the four in the second half, but 459 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: that was largely because the effort. It was just they 460 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: finally turned it up and the Nicks let their foot 461 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: off the gas because they thought the Lakers had quit. 462 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: But but that that the DeAndre Jordan thing, to me 463 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: is like the final nail in that coffin it. I 464 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: don't know how you move on from them. I think 465 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: part of the DeAndre Jordan's thing too, that we don't 466 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: discuss enough. A D wants to start a powerful like 467 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: That's clear, right, you would agree with that like a 468 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: D if it was his preference, if it's a perfect world, 469 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: if he made all the choices. He likes starting at 470 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: power forward, that's very clear. I think that's also part 471 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: of it. Vogo likes it too big, and I don't 472 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: it matches what his second superstar wants. His second Sart 473 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: wants to start at power forward. A D has talked 474 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: about how more comfortable that is. He's talked about the 475 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: rigors of starting at center, even though you know, you 476 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: talk about the benefits of it um even to him physically. 477 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: But he obviously feels the guy who's out there playing 478 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: basketball the guys is that actually out there playing thirty 479 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: five minutes of a game he feels starting at power 480 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: forward helps in whatever way. Secondly, with the vote with 481 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: the Vogo offense thing, here's my question. So in Oklahoma 482 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: City in two thousand, whenever they went to the finals 483 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: that first time, their coach was Scott Brooks, right, and 484 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: I have do I have that right? I believe they were. 485 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: They were coached by Scott Brooks, and everyone was wonder 486 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: telling Scott Brooks, you need to change your late game offense. 487 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: It's all just Kevin Durant. I. So it's all Russell Westbrook, 488 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 1: I sells, right, you remember that that moment. And then 489 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: they brought in Billy Donovan. Right about who's now I 490 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: believe the coach of the Shark Chicago Bulls doing a 491 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: great job with Chicago Bulls. They brought brought in Billy Donovan. 492 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: And what happened it was the same late game offense, 493 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: same thing. Russell Westbrook got to do what he wanted 494 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: and he went to Katie and got to do what 495 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: he wanted. To me. This is offensive. Yes, there's complications, 496 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: there's better offensive coaches, there's some there's things you can 497 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: do there's more awful actions that I would like to see. 498 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: But to me, this is like, to me, this is 499 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: a Russell Westbrook fit trying to fit him into the 500 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: offense type of situation, like find Frank Vogel. To me, 501 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: bringing in a new guy is a new guy being 502 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: gonna be able to set up a whole new offensive 503 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: system in the middle of the season with Lebron missing 504 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: the games that he does, Like, we're lucky right now, 505 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: Russ and a d are healthy. Like that's I'm not 506 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: like a Frank Vogel super apologist where I think Frank 507 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,239 Speaker 1: Vogel is the best coach or you know, he's some 508 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: amazing coach. I think that's my whole point. I think 509 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: you kind of lost me there, but like that's that's 510 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: my whole point. There's like, to me, bringing a new 511 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: coach brings in other issues. Yeah, So, I mean, the 512 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: late game offense is separate from the rest of the 513 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: game in my opinion, because for starters, late game offense, 514 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: there's a reason why it devolves into isolation basketball, and 515 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: there's a reason why it devolves into letting the stars 516 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: run the show, and it's because of the fact that 517 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: in general, it takes on a playoff like nature. Okay, 518 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: the reason why in the playoffs switching works so well. 519 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: The reason why in the playoffs the guys that are 520 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: able to attack matchups do so well is because when 521 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: defenses are really dialed in, they can shut down just 522 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: about any action. There's no sophisticated way two xs and 523 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: oes your way to quality looks at the end of 524 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: games against the top tier defenses when they're really dialed in. So, 525 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: from that standpoint, like the reason why Billy Donovan couldn't 526 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: convince Russ and k D to do better in crunch 527 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: time is because you can run the best pick and roll, 528 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: you can run the best you know off ball action, 529 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: you can run whatever in the world you want to run. 530 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: They're just gonna switch everything, and at the end of 531 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: the day, it's gonna come down to can Rust create 532 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: an advantage against this guy in isolation, Kim Kevin Durant 533 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: create an advantage And and so that's just the reality 534 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: of late game offense. The reason why I think it's 535 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: so important in the beginning of the game or the 536 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: rest of the game, I should say, is because it 537 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: has to do with confidence and comfort and bringing the 538 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: best out of your players. So I think we can 539 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: all agree that Russ, Lebron, and a d could all 540 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: be better offensively than they have been this season. I 541 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: think we can all agree with that Anthony Davis is 542 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: several levels below what he was in the bubble in 543 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: terms of a versatile three level score. The dude basically 544 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have a three point shot anymore. Okay, Russell what Russell? 545 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: Westbrook has his own slew of offensive issues, and then 546 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: Lebron his percentages are down across the board. Now, a 547 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: lot of that has to do with him getting cut 548 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: out of that game early, a lot of that has 549 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: to do with him trying to fit in Russ, and 550 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: a lot of that has to do with injuries. So 551 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: I don't want to over get into that, but the 552 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: point is, with this group, with all the shooting that 553 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: they have, you should be able to bring the best 554 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: out of these guys offensively, And to me, that starts 555 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: with from the opening tip, letting them, allowing them, setting 556 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: them up to feel comfortable, so that they feel confident, 557 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: so that throughout the game they're in a rhythm and 558 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: they play their best basketball. That's where the xs and 559 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: os come in. That's where running sets matters. That's where stopping, 560 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: that's where getting away from the offense where you just 561 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: dump it into the post to a D every single time, 562 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: or dump it in the post Lebron every single time, 563 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: or ask asked Russ to cave in the defense by 564 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: just putting his head down and getting to the rim. 565 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: That's where that doesn't work when you're when you're when 566 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: you're asking those guys to do that, inevitably, that's easier 567 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: to guard. It's harder to guard at the end of games. 568 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: In crunch time, Lebron and a D and Russ and 569 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: their athleticism will overpower teams in crunch time. But at 570 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: the in the throughout the rest of the game, you've 571 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: got to find a way to get them easier looks. 572 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: You've got to find a way to get everybody easier looks. 573 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: And to me, Frank has shown that he's basically incapable 574 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: of doing that. And and you know, I think the 575 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: guys from l FR talked about this on their last part, 576 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: and it's something that I'm such a huge believer in. 577 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: When you ask someone to do a scheme, and you 578 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: asked them to do a dirty job and it works, 579 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: you're more willing to do it. For instance, if you 580 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: have a day job at nine to five and you 581 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: show up and your boss tells you, hey, if you 582 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: do x y Z for me, you're gonna get a raise. 583 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: You do x y Z for me, you're going to 584 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: get a promotion. And you do it, and you get 585 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: the promotion, it all feels worth it, and you're willing 586 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: to continue those habits. But what if you do all 587 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: those things and the race doesn't come. What if you 588 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: do all those things and you don't get the promotion, 589 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're gonna buy back out, You're 590 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: gonna disconnect again, and you're gonna stop caring. And that's 591 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: the problem with this. In Frank asked these guys to 592 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: do a job, and it was a hard job, it 593 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: was a dirty job. And when they did it, they 594 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: went twenty four and three to start the season. And 595 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: so every single guy on the team was bought into 596 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: the concept. They believed in it, and they were willing 597 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: to do it. This season, Frank tried to run the 598 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: same scheme with some players that were physically incapable of 599 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: going it. When when he did so, they lost a 600 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: lot of games. Now, obviously there were other factors that 601 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: play there, and I'm not trying to gloss over that, 602 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: but the point is that that that concept there is 603 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: what has this team not bought in. They don't they 604 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: don't believe in what they're doing because they don't see 605 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: it working. And so in a lot a large part 606 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: of that is there. They made a shift in personnel 607 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: to offensive minded personnel, and the offense sucks. So when 608 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: you have offensive minded personnel and the offense sucks, you're 609 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: gonna lose games. Guys aren't gonna believe in what they're 610 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: being asked to do. If this team was scoring a 611 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: million points and was top five in offense, which they 612 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: absolutely should be with Lebron, a d and Russ on 613 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: the roster and with all of this shooting, if they 614 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: were top five in offense, they'd be sitting with a 615 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: much better record, and they'd be much more willing to 616 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: do the job that they're being asked to do because 617 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: they would believe in it. They'd be bought into that coach, 618 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: and it would be it would be that same culture 619 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: building that you're seeing from all these good teams like 620 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: the Sons and Warriors this year, and that you saw 621 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: from the Lakers back in. So from that stand point, 622 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: I just I just think getting someone in the door 623 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: that has the ability to maximize this offense at the 624 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: very least, will allow them to do what Brooklyn did, 625 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: which is defend well enough to win, which they absolutely can't. 626 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: This team will defend better than that Brooklyn team because 627 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: they'll have Lebron and a D on the floor. But 628 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: they've got to get to the point where they believe 629 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: in what they're doing, and right now they don't. Yeah, 630 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: And and it doesn't matter what I think or how 631 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: I feel about it, Like I can kind of see 632 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: the writing on the wall. It just feels like this 633 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: is where it's going to get to. This is just 634 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: how the NBA works. The coach gets the even if 635 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: it's right or wrong, he gets the he gets the 636 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: first act right, the coaches cut first. But to me, 637 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: like anyone can do stuff when things are going well, right, Like, 638 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: that's not the point about this. Lebron and Nady know 639 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: this works even if the personnel is kind of jankie. 640 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: Even if the personnel is not working. I haven't seen 641 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: like this comes from the top down, Like this should 642 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: be leadership. That's the whole point of your superstar players. 643 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: They're supposed to be bought in first, right, how many 644 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: games have you seen Lebron defend this year? And again 645 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: I said, it's not fair that he has to be 646 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: the defensive guy this year. That's just what it is, 647 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: like he has to be that Anthony Davis as well. 648 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: I think his effort has gone up in the last 649 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: few games, but to start the season it wasn't. It 650 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: wasn't defensive player of the year type of stuff that 651 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: he can do. So again, this might just lead to 652 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,239 Speaker 1: Vogo getting fired and we get a new guy in. 653 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: To me, like, that's a band aid to a bigger 654 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: issue that we have in the offense. It's ugly, Frank, 655 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: Vogo's offense has never been pretty. You talked about it 656 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: a lot over the summer. Lebron has the key, Lebron 657 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: has the keys to the offense. Lebron has Lebron runs 658 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: the offense and Volgo runs the defense, and you talked 659 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: about how beautiful of kind of a partnership that is. Right, 660 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: you have a guy offensive genius in Lebron and they say, look, 661 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: people have said that David Fislow actually runs a lot 662 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: of the offense, But I mean the post up offense 663 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: isn't eight. But also like Frank's not Frank Vogels probably 664 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: like double teams is what's coming to a D. And 665 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: it's not his problem that Ad is not a good 666 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: pastor out of double teams. And we'd like to see 667 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: more pick and roll. But if you're telling me for 668 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: us and a D to Russ and a D, come 669 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: to Vogel and like, hey, we want to we want 670 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: to spread pick and roll, He's gonna say, no, run 671 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: a post up. Like that's that's the kind of like 672 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get deeper into the conversations there, like 673 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: I feel like it's too easy just be like, yeah, 674 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: the coaches telling them runn post up every play, or 675 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: the coach doesn't have any complicated actions. That's that's sure, 676 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: Like that that kind of that can be true. But 677 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: I like I was there at the Minnesota game where 678 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: we went to a D at the five and spread 679 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: around with shooters. We got destroyed defensively because we just 680 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: don't have the guards that can keep up. There's a 681 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: balance that Vogel is trying to play and and I 682 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: feel for him there, but like that's where I'm at here, 683 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: Like maybe bringing a new guy helps. I just think 684 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: that's bad process to get to the result, even if 685 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: it gets the result we want, that's just not the 686 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: good process to get to it. But it looks like 687 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: the writings on the wall, it looks like that's that's 688 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: what we're gonna get. I just I'm not sure that 689 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: solves the main issues tough. Maybe that solves it for 690 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: like a couple of weeks and then and then maybe 691 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: the are back to you know, given the effort that 692 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: they want to playing five basketball. I just I just 693 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: don't think that's secure in the middle of the season. 694 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: But we've kind of gone on that for for a 695 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: way too long. Probably. Yeah. Like I said, if you 696 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: guys want to hear a deeper, to dive into the 697 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: frank vocal thing, just listen to our last episode. I 698 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: was curious, R, what have you What have you thought 699 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: about th h t s massive falloff over the last 700 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: three games. Uh? Such a such a stark difference right 701 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: from the from the first podcast we did on th 702 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: h D. After his three games, I think teams are 703 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: starting to really scout him. Um, he's still not confident 704 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: enough with his jumper to me, like it looks better 705 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: it looks cleaner, but he's not confident with it. When 706 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: the ball swings to him, he has to be wide 707 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: open to shoot it, and that's just not gonna work 708 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: right now, especially with the spacing spacing issues that we have. 709 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: If he's on the floor next to Russ and a 710 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: D and Avery Bradley. To be honest, like, he has 711 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: to be willing to shoot. He has to be a shooter. 712 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: He can't be a guy that's also like, he can't 713 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: be Russ, right, He can't be a guy that just 714 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: can't shoot. We have one guy in us already like that. 715 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: Every valley is another guy that has to be kind 716 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: of open to shoot. T HD can't be in that. 717 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: Teams have scouted him very well. Teams are ready for 718 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: the drive every single time, and his finishes are becoming 719 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: more and more wild. Uh, he's still kind of a 720 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: good passer out of it. But I think I saw 721 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: he's like three for three for twenty or something the 722 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: last three games. Just it's really dropped off again. Like 723 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: it's another thing. Is THD the guy in those first 724 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: three games or the THHC this guy probably somewhere in between, right, 725 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: Like he's probably not this probably not this bad, and 726 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: he's probably not that good yet twenty years old. You're 727 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: gonna get fluctuating games. That's just how it is. He's 728 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: just on a good team where him being bad actually 729 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: like impacts impacts the team a lot more. You know, 730 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: Like on a bad team, he can lose and it's fine. 731 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: But on this team that's trying to win every single night. 732 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: When you have he he can't afford to have the 733 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: games that he's having. He has to have some kind 734 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: of impact, especially um, even if he's not starting, he's 735 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: playing a lot of minutes where we need him to 736 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: be impactful. But yeah, it's been it's been a really 737 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: tough stress for him. I expected him to turn around, 738 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: but he needs to start shooting, like he can't be 739 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: a guy that teams can just lay off like they 740 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: are right now. Yeah, I think shot selection has been 741 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: a big part of it. This is something that I 742 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: preached about a lot. I used to talk about a 743 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: lot with Kyle Kuzma, and then I talked a lot 744 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: about with Anthony Davis early in the season. One of 745 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: the reasons why I think Anthony Davis has been so 746 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: much better as of late is he's gone away from 747 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: the super difficult shots at the beginning of the game. 748 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: That's that's to me has been abundantly clear. He's made 749 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: a concerted effort to get higher quality shots closer in 750 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: the rim early in the game to build his rhythm. 751 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: So PhD comes in and a couple of I think 752 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: they've lost each of his first three, right, or the 753 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,479 Speaker 1: lost two or three, I can't remember, but they were Yeah, 754 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. So they were two, there were 755 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: one and two in those in those three games that 756 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: he averaged over twenty points or whatever. And the reality 757 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: was he was taken and making a lot of difficult 758 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: shots in that game, uh, in those games. So the 759 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: reality is is like he kind of tricked himself into 760 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: thinking that that's good process when it's really not. You know, 761 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: especially with this group, with all the talent that he's 762 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: playing with, he needs to kind of adopt that approach 763 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: that I was constantly preaching with Kyle Kuzma. Let the 764 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: games come come to you, make sure your first couple 765 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: shots are good, and then from there you'll have a 766 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: better opportunity to feel confident and then go to your 767 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: one legged fade away, then go to your step back 768 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: three when you feel comfortable, and when you feel confident, 769 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's impossible for a shooter to 770 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: get out of their own head. That's just the reality 771 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: of it. A jump shot is a total mind f 772 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, You're gonna miss a lot. 773 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: And so from that standpoint, it's really really hard for 774 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: shooters to contextualize misses. So if you go into a 775 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: game and you take your first three shots, are you know, 776 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: one open three, but the other two are a step 777 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: back three and a one legged fade away from ten feet, 778 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: the reality is is in your head, you're gonna tell yourself, oh, 779 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: I just don't have it tonight. It's like, okay, do 780 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: you actually not have it tonight or you're taking bad shots, 781 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and from that standpoint, 782 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: it's like if if you if your first three shots 783 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: are good process and they're balanced and you're open, then 784 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: you can at least you're probably gonna make two or 785 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: three of them, and then from there you go into 786 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: the rest of the game feeling comfortable, feeling confident, feeling 787 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: good about yourself. With this group too, he doesn't need 788 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: to take as many of those extremely tough shots now 789 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: tonight he was in the predicament of no Lebron, which 790 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: obviously adds a whole other element of offensive creation need 791 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: in his role. But with Lebron in Detroit, he was 792 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: doing the same thing. A lot of forcing the ball 793 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: into crowds of people around the basket and a lot 794 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: of tough shots. So with him, he's young, it's so hard. 795 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: We got we gotta remember he turns twenty one, literally, 796 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: I think in two days, So we've got to we've 797 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: got to contextualize this as a guy who has a 798 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: lot of growing to do as a basketball player. But 799 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: the reality is is what he what he did is 800 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: he tried to continue a bad process from his first 801 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: three games into his next three games. And you add in, uh, 802 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: and you add in the circumstances surrounding Lebron, and this 803 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 1: is what you get. Obviously, I don't think I think. 804 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: I think there's been some fluctuation with his role to 805 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: like you, you go from not playing basketball at all 806 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: since the Sun series. Uh, you know, at least NBA basketball, 807 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: NBA regular season meaningful basketball to suddenly you're in a 808 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: game with no Lebron where you're giving a lot of 809 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: a green light to suddenly Lebron's back and you're starting, 810 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,919 Speaker 1: and then suddenly it's we're in Detroit and we're going 811 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: back to DeAndre Jordan. Now you're coming off the bench. Oh, 812 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: and then now Lebron's gone again. So he's had a 813 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,919 Speaker 1: massively fluctuating role here over his first couple of weeks back. 814 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: So that's the the other bone that I would toss him. 815 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: It's just some some consistency, some some sort of chemistry 816 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 1: that he could build in a consistent rotation pattern would 817 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: go a long way, I think to helping him feel 818 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: more comfortable. I'm still a believer in what he can do. 819 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: Like you said, the reality somewhere in the middle. The 820 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: reason why I asked you about that, I hopped on 821 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: UH spaces before the game to talk about this concept, 822 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: and I was curious on your opinion. There was a 823 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: proposed trade that was thrown around having to do with 824 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: Jeremy Grant with the Detroit Pistons. So the way that 825 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: this would inevitably end up looking with salary matching is 826 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: it would basically be centered around um th h T 827 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: and Kendrick Nunn for Jeremy Grant. So I am a 828 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: huge proponent of that trade if the Lakers nearing the 829 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: trade deadline are trending towards looking like a bona fide 830 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: But if there, if the wheels are coming off and 831 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: they're twenty three and seventeen, I'm against it. So I 832 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: wanted to I wanted to hear your before I get 833 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: too part further into giving my opinion. I was curious 834 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: what you thought about that proposed. Yeah, well, just to 835 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: close on the th h T point, he's such a 836 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: rhythm player right and he needs the basketball in his hands, 837 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: which is kind of counterintuitive to this team, like he's 838 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: gonna have to work off the ball, But just right now, 839 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: his skill set is totally everything basketball in is in 840 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: his hands, running ball screen actions where he's the one controlling. 841 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff right now where he's just 842 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: in the corner. It's like Malik Monk running actions or 843 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: Russ running actions. And you talked about him playing with 844 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: Lebron tonight with Lebron was obviously out, but just a 845 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: lot of that and he's getting comfortable with that. I'll 846 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: give him time. You you said it right there. To me, 847 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: it's the what's the team looking like in February, Like 848 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: if they're looking like a title contender. If they're looking 849 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: like they're ready to compete, then yeah, then you know, 850 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: make that move. It's just to me, trading th HT 851 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: for a minimal kind of like to me, Jeremy Grant 852 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: is not the difference between a team that's five hundred 853 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: and then going to a title you know, like, would 854 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: you kind of agree with that, Like, Jeremy Grant doesn't 855 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: change you from a middle team to a title contender 856 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: like that. That's not the jump to me you get 857 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 1: with Jeremy Grant. The other rumor I guess was also 858 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: Miles Turner, But yeah, with Jeremy Grant, Like that's my 859 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: position on it. I think Taylan has shown enough to 860 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: me where you know, you don't trade him unless at 861 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: least right now we'll see how the season kind of progresses. 862 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: But for me, right now, like Taylor has shown too 863 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: much to me to where like I don't want to 864 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: trade him until we kind of see what this season 865 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: is before we get get to that point. Are you 866 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: on that? Are you on that path as well? Yeah? 867 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: So you know, first of all, I'm higher on Jeremy 868 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: Grand than everyone else in terms of the role that 869 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: you know, what people keep forgetting is, you know, I've 870 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: had I've heard a lot of people bring up his 871 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: shooting percentages in Detroit. Who the health cares about his 872 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: shooting percentages in Detroit. That shot profile will not even 873 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: remotely resemble his shot profile with an amazing and then yeah, 874 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: the fit to me is is a no brand. And 875 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, the key to running a D at the 876 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: five is having players in that six five to six 877 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: a range who can defend multiple positions, either up a 878 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: position or down a position, and on the offensive ent, 879 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: don't hurt your spacing, you know. And that's where it 880 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: helped having a Kyle Kuzma, you know what I mean, 881 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: That's where it helped. Having an Alex Caruso. That's where 882 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: it helped having the k CP, even though he's a 883 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: little smaller. But you know, the point is is when 884 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,320 Speaker 1: you you when you have those guys, those hybrid guys, 885 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: those wing guys, they are what make a D at 886 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: the five work. One of the big reasons why a 887 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: D at the five struggled this year is Lebron has 888 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: been out, so it's been a lot of guards and 889 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: a lot of Carmelo Anthony and that's just that you're 890 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: putting too much physical responsibility on guys that are physically 891 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: incapable of doing it. Now, in terms of the trade, 892 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: there's a couple. There's a basic basketball philosophy that we 893 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: all have to come to terms with, okay, and it's 894 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: the it's the reality of the Anthony Davis trade. It's 895 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 1: kind of it kind of sucks to watch Lonzo Ball succeed. 896 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you're happy for You're happy for Lonzo, but 897 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: it sucks as a Laker fan when you remember what 898 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: it was like when he was with you. It sucks 899 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: watching Josh Hart turned into a solid role player. It 900 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: sucks watching I was always been super high Brandon Ingram. 901 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: I think he's more number two than the number one, 902 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: But I think he is the closest thing we have 903 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: to a modern day Kobe Bryant in the terms of 904 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: the way he um, the way he's structurally puts his 905 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: offensive game together as a three level score. I love 906 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: those guys, but I understood the obvious gamble when you 907 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: put your chips in for Anthony Davis. There was a 908 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: chance that was gonna fail. There was a chance Ad 909 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: got hurt, or Lebron got hurt, or for whatever reason 910 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: they lost in the bubble and you have no title. 911 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: That is the game that's gambling. That's what it looks 912 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: like in real life when you when you make a 913 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: big sports pet, you know like that, that's just that's 914 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: just that's the reality of of of of You can't 915 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: have any you can't win anything if you're not willing 916 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: to risk anything in a lot of ways. And that's 917 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: what the whole Lebron James experience has been like for 918 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: the Lakers. When you brought Lebron on, you understood there'd 919 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 1: be a certain amount of chaos, a certain amount of turnover, 920 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: but you you have the potential to win an NBA championship. 921 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: That's the way I look at this Jeremy Grant thing. 922 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: You have to understand that there's a chance that you 923 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: could be sitting you they could go on a fifteen 924 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 1: game win Street, be sitting in really good shape. Trade 925 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: t HD for Jeremy Grant and be make a run 926 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 1: for the tie, don't and come up short, and the 927 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,399 Speaker 1: next season you're watching th HT look like an All 928 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: Star with the Detroit Pistons. That is a potential outcome, 929 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,280 Speaker 1: That is something that could happen here. That's the game. 930 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: But the flip side of that is, look at how 931 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: talented at the top of the league is. I'm not 932 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: trying to denigrate the Lakers NBA title, but I'm sorry 933 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: that Miami Heat team nowhere near as good as this 934 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: Miami Heat team from this season. That Denver Nuggets team 935 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: not even in the same stratosphere of this Golden State 936 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: Warriors team, this Phoenix Suns team not even in the 937 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: same stratosphere as the Houston Rockets. This year is going 938 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: to be tougher. Your margin of error is smaller. You're 939 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: gonna find yourself in a game five against Phoenix or 940 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: against Golden State, and you're gonna be staring across the 941 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 1: line at Draymond Green, Andrea Guadala, Andrew Wiggins, Clay Thompson 942 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: and Steph Curry. That is going to be an extremely 943 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: difficult game to win on the road in Golden State. 944 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: Do you like your chances more if the lineup is 945 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: lebron A d and Jeremy Grant with Russ and one 946 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: of the good guards, or if it's two kind of 947 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: iffy players in that lineup, or maybe it's Trevor Risa 948 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: who doesn't do anything as well as Jeremy Grant does 949 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: it in that spot, and that's that's the way you 950 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: gotta look at this. It's a basic philosophy you have 951 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: if you cling to multiple and the same goes for 952 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: the Warriors. What if the Warriors lose to the Lakers 953 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: in Game five and lose the series, but hey, they 954 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: got James Wise, Wiseman and Jonathan cominga like, that's that's 955 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 1: the curse and the blessing of having young talent and 956 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 1: right now talent at the same time. You have to 957 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: tow that line. You have to make that decision. Am 958 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: I willing to risk it all and potentially have to 959 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: watch those guys succeed elsewhere to get the Larry O'Brien Trophy. 960 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,399 Speaker 1: That's that to me is the risk. And for the record, 961 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: Lebron and n d might be enough right now to 962 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: do it without making a move. They might, but although 963 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: right now it doesn't look like it look like And 964 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: then really quickly, the last thing I'll say is in 965 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,760 Speaker 1: the bubble, Lebron is the best player in the world, 966 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis looked like he might have been the 967 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: second best player in the world somewhere else in the 968 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: top five. Maybe right now Anthony Davis looks more like 969 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: the tenth best player in the world, and right now 970 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: Lebron James looks more like the seventh or eighth best 971 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 1: player in the world. So that that same that they 972 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: both might, through rhythm, get back to where they were 973 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 1: in the bubble. I certainly hope they do, and I 974 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: kind of believe they will, but that's not guaranteed. The 975 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: margin for error is different this year. And so as 976 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,919 Speaker 1: much as I loved HT and I genuinely believe he'll 977 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: be an All Star, one a fringe All Star somewhere 978 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: in that, a guy that not an MVP candidate but 979 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: an All Star. I genuinely believe that. But you straddling 980 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,399 Speaker 1: that line more often than not will leave you unsatisfied. Yeah, 981 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 1: and you know you don't have to push me too 982 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 1: hard to compliment brandon Ingram. I feel like me and 983 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 1: a few other people were the first people to uh 984 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: to put our flag down on Ingram Island, and what's 985 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: going on over there is it's kind of sad for him, 986 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: But look, Anthony Davis is Anthony freaking David's like you 987 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 1: understood that looked at Lakers over pay maybe, but you 988 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: do that for a title. And I'm of the belief 989 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: if you have a chance to win, you go all in, 990 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: like that's just what you're supposed to do. That's the 991 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: whole point of all this. The whole point of this 992 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: is to win. There is lines to draw that like 993 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: this is the GM's decision, No, this is on this 994 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: is Rob Blinka's job to kind of decide where that 995 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: where that line crosses. Jeremy Grant again, to me, a 996 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: great player. He was one of the best players to 997 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: me that defended Lebron and a d in the whole bubble, 998 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: Like I thought he was great on them. And that 999 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: that Denver series to me is a lot closer than 1000 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: people remember, just because it did end in five. Like 1001 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: you talked about the teams who are good right now 1002 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: compared to those in the bubble, the Golden State Warriors, 1003 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,839 Speaker 1: maybe that's one. But like the Milwaukee Bucks ran through 1004 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 1: the regular season, they got beat by the Miami Heat. 1005 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,399 Speaker 1: Farren Square, you can joke about the bubble. Miami beat them. 1006 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: That's the team the Lakers beat. That's just there's good 1007 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: teams every year. I think the Lakers, like where the 1008 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: was it was the lead bad or the Lakers just 1009 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 1: really dominating that run. Sixteen and five is sixteen and five. 1010 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: You can calm about the teams that they played, but 1011 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: I don't really want to go back and forth on 1012 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: that tailan or Jeremy Grant. That's such a that's such 1013 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: a tough thing to get to. It's funny if you 1014 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: look at the Lakers account today, I think they tweeted 1015 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,799 Speaker 1: something like invest in the future with the tailing with 1016 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 1: tailor shooting around. I thought that was kind of funny 1017 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: with the with the rumors swirling. But it's a tough 1018 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 1: line of job. But to me, if the Lakers are 1019 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,359 Speaker 1: close enough, they look like real title contenders and let's 1020 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: say like th hd s in the rotation, but it 1021 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: looks like they've kind of found something with Kendrick Nunn 1022 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: and League Monk, and they found a rotation that like 1023 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: maybe he can go somewhere else and they'd be fine. 1024 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: They have enough ball handling off the bench to score 1025 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: and you can trade that for Jeremy Grant. Yeah, that's fine, 1026 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: go ahead, do that make win. Now moves to the 1027 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 1: whole point of the Lebron era, like you're here to win, 1028 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 1: you got one already, Like this, the whole point of it. 1029 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens after. But the whole point is 1030 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: to win now, and the Jeremy gran move would be 1031 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: a sign of that. Just in my opinion, I want 1032 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: to see the team processing upwards enough to to get there. 1033 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: Like to me again, Jeremy Grant, exactly, don't go down 1034 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: with the ship. You don't go down with the ship. 1035 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: You read the cards because they can't trade to they 1036 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: can't trade t h right now anyway, with the terms 1037 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: of this contract. I think if you have to wait 1038 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: till December, so you make the read at the time, 1039 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: don't go down with the ship. But if it looks 1040 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: like the ship has a chance, exactly, don't hold your car, 1041 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 1: don't hold your chips if it has a chance. Yeah, 1042 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: but I mean I've seen stuff like this. Again, I'm 1043 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: not comparing Jeremy Grant to Michael Muscala. That's not fair. 1044 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 1: Like Jeremy Grants a hundred times way better. But I 1045 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: just remember we traded Zubach for like Bach, who is 1046 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,799 Speaker 1: now the starting center for the like Clippers and one 1047 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: of the best room protecting bigs in the league and 1048 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: one of the best contracts in the league. YadA YadA, YadA, 1049 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: Um for you know, Michael Scala, who is the Laker 1050 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 1: for a little while, and Jeremy grat seven, it's not like, 1051 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,919 Speaker 1: you know, he's like he's an old player as well, 1052 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: like if you can get but to me right now, 1053 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 1: like with the Pistons, take th HD for Jeremy Grant, 1054 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: like I don't, like, I don't think they've seen enough 1055 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 1: from t HD to trade their you know, a guy 1056 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: that they invested in a couple of seasons ago. So 1057 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: there's the two sides of this. I think THHD has 1058 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 1: to show a little more to get to that Jeremy 1059 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: Grant level as well. But like, yeah, oh, I think 1060 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,359 Speaker 1: Detroit and but I mean it's irrelevant. I I think, 1061 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 1: I think that Jeremy Grant move was fine, but I 1062 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think Detroit used him as part 1063 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 1: of their future are But I mean, obviously I don't 1064 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 1: have voices in the front off Jeremy Grant. The Pistons 1065 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: aren't close to anywhere where they need to care about, 1066 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, winning and all that. They they just got 1067 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: the number one pick and trying to build around him 1068 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 1: and how I don't want to get into how Kate 1069 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: and t HD fit. That's where a Pistons kind of podcast. 1070 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: But but yeah, that's where I'm at with it. If 1071 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: they can show on our process that they're going up, 1072 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,279 Speaker 1: and yeah, go ahead, do a win now move. But 1073 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: I just don't think Jeremy Grant changes the five dred 1074 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: team to a UH to a title contender and this 1075 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: team like Lebron's played by eight games nine games now, Like, 1076 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: we haven't seen this team yet. That's the positive, that's 1077 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,600 Speaker 1: the positive, heere, I guess, but but yeah, I don't 1078 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,399 Speaker 1: don't know us to go with that. That's we haven't 1079 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: seen You're right, we haven't. We haven't seen Lebron in 1080 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,399 Speaker 1: a D in a lineup with another forward yet. And 1081 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: the reality is is their most successful lineups in the 1082 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: championship season involved for a forward, usually either someone like 1083 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 1: Alex Cruzo or someone like Kyle Kuzma. You know, Alex 1084 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: Cruzo isn't traditionally viewed as a forward, as viewed as 1085 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 1: a guard, but he could guard forwards and he played 1086 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: like before, he rebounded like a forward. He had a 1087 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: physical presence on the floor like a forward. So you're right, 1088 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to draw too much. But this is the 1089 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: other thing, like fundamentally let's let's pretend they come back 1090 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 1: and they have Trevor Ariza and it looks and it 1091 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: looks good. Do you feel comfortable going on a playoff 1092 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,759 Speaker 1: run where you're gonna have to play games of high, high, 1093 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,839 Speaker 1: high intensity intensity basketball with the only forward you can 1094 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,799 Speaker 1: play being Lebron, Trevor Ariza and whatever you can get 1095 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: out of Carmelo Anthony Or would you feel more comfortable 1096 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,360 Speaker 1: if that was a reason and then someone like Jeremy 1097 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,440 Speaker 1: Grant and Lebron and Carmelo Anthony. To me, that just 1098 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,800 Speaker 1: change it. It gives you margin for in that regard, 1099 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,120 Speaker 1: you know. And and because like this is there's a 1100 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: reason why the Lakers have been so incredibly shorthanded. It's 1101 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,279 Speaker 1: because dropping a reason was enough to put them behind 1102 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: the eight ball. Then when you lose Lebron for half 1103 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: the season, now you have nobody that's that's the lack 1104 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: of death rearing its ugly head. Sure, and also Reeves 1105 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 1: being out I think is big shockingly with it with 1106 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 1: the team that's that's playing Reeves. And I think even 1107 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 1: Bogo mentioned that he's trying to just find defensive lineups 1108 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 1: until Trevor Reason gets back, So obviously he believes the 1109 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 1: reason is a big part of this defense, and maybe 1110 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: that's you know, not that's not the smart, smart thing 1111 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 1: to hope for from a thirty six year old. But 1112 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 1: we'll see when when a reason gets back that they 1113 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 1: need a power for Carmelo still playing way too many 1114 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: minutes and God bless Carmelo, who has been has been great. 1115 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: I think it was like three for fourteen tonight, but 1116 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 1: hit some big threes. I just can't defend enough. To me, 1117 00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 1: we can't find like you talked about, the team he's 1118 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 1: to need. The team needs to find a defensive identity. 1119 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: Like to me, there's not enough defensive minded players to 1120 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,759 Speaker 1: get to that until we get a whole here, and 1121 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: maybe they won't get there when they're even hold, but 1122 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: like we need to at least see that Kendrick Nunn, 1123 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,319 Speaker 1: Austin Reeves, Trevor Risa Lebron has to play at a 1124 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,359 Speaker 1: defensive label for this team to to raise above water 1125 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 1: because I just I think they're gonna be a five 1126 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,919 Speaker 1: hundred team until we get those guys butt. Yeah, alright, guys, 1127 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna call it tonight. So the tomorrow is a 1128 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,839 Speaker 1: little funky because it's a tail into the back to back. 1129 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: I have my season opener for the high school team 1130 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,800 Speaker 1: that I'm coaching, so I will not be able to 1131 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: watch the game live. But Raj is still going to 1132 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 1: watch the game and he's going to host the post 1133 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 1: game spaces. We plan on taking a lot of colors 1134 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: tomorrow night, and then I'll be able to join about 1135 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: halfway through the show. Obviously, I'm not gonna be able 1136 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: to offer much because I didn't I will not have 1137 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,879 Speaker 1: watched the game at that point, but I'll come hang 1138 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: out with you guys. Bring your questions, bring your rants. 1139 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,800 Speaker 1: Rog is gonna be holding the space right after the 1140 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: game ends. I think it tips all at uh four 1141 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,320 Speaker 1: o'clock to Civic Standard time, so it's a good early start. 1142 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,640 Speaker 1: I should be joining, you know, towards the end of 1143 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,799 Speaker 1: the show. But again, from the bottom of my heart, 1144 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 1: I sincerely appreciate all of you guys for supporting us 1145 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,279 Speaker 1: and coming to hang out. We sincerely appreciate. This is 1146 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,320 Speaker 1: gonna air on Dash Radio tomorrow morning at seven am, 1147 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 1: and it will be on our podcast feed here in 1148 00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: about a half hour. That's under State of the Lakers. 1149 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,799 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much, and have a good