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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesday's and they a big blue kick off

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Speaker 1: live presented by Cora's Light. He has pauled the tenam

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Speaker 1: Lance Medal with you in the next sixty minutes. Two

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Speaker 1: time at noon Eastern. We're accommodating to some of the

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Speaker 1: changes in terms of the schedule with mandatory Minicamp, and

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Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna get into over these next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to your phone calls, we'll get to your tweets,

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Speaker 1: and Paul, let's start with day one mandatory Minicamp. One

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Speaker 1: of the biggest takeaways I found from what Pat Shermer

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Speaker 1: who spoke to the media shortly after that, was the

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Speaker 1: competitive nature of minicamp, despite the fact that because of

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Speaker 1: CBA rules, they can't be physical, they can't hit, they

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Speaker 1: that you need to get yourself ready for training camp

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Speaker 1: and so forth. But Jabril Peppers has brought the trash

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Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, and Pat Shermer was

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Speaker 1: asked about, well, you know, do you get nervous that

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Speaker 1: these guys are not gonna be able to handle themselves.

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Speaker 1: But he actually says, listen, it's a positive sign. This

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Speaker 1: brings out the best of the offense, it brings out

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Speaker 1: the best of the defense. And you know, he seems

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Speaker 1: O t as thus far. Well, that's all it can

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Speaker 1: be because we're in shirts and shorts as we're watching

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Speaker 1: this stuff, and and you know, no pads, no hitting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the question the first question at the press

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Speaker 1: and he looked at the questioner and he said, okay,

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Speaker 1: but we can't hit. You know, it's really not much

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Speaker 1: to say, until we start to hit. It looks like

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Speaker 1: they're getting it. It looked like they understand what their

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Speaker 1: roles are. But we really won't know. And I keep

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Speaker 1: trying to tell people that. And we've talked about this

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Speaker 1: now for several weeks since o TA started. You know,

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Speaker 1: there there's a sampling of the pudding here. That's all.

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Speaker 1: You got a sampling of the pudding. To this point,

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Speaker 1: everything the Giants have done have checked all the boxes.

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Speaker 1: This is a much more talented roster. This is a

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Speaker 1: much better football team. It's a younger team, it's a

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Speaker 1: more together team, it's a much more energized team. Those

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Speaker 1: things are all true. But but no hitting, which is

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Speaker 1: the true test. The preseason games, even a truer test,

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Speaker 1: and then the production during the regular season will really

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Speaker 1: tell the story of the two thousand nineteen New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: Nothing that we see now, no matter how promising it

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Speaker 1: he much what I always say, because you're not necessarily

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Speaker 1: duplicating what you're gonna see come training camp in the

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Speaker 1: regular season. When to your point, Paul, they put on

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Speaker 1: the pads, when the offensive lineman and defensive lineman get

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Speaker 1: to involve themselves in press coverage. That was one of

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Speaker 1: the things actually that Pat Schirmer mentioned today because he

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Speaker 1: and he goes, listen, there's only so much that you

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Speaker 1: better play, so both sides get something positive. Out of it.

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Speaker 1: And that's I think what's so hard for some people

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Speaker 1: the defense was way ahead of the offense. Their quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: weren't completing enough of passes. That doesn't mean they didn't

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Speaker 1: throw the ball. Well, it doesn't. This is why it

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Speaker 1: takes a knowledgeable experience then educated eye to watch all

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Speaker 1: bad news about Twitter and some of the stuff that

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Speaker 1: and stuff. It's just it's not good. It's watering, it's

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Speaker 1: it's not good, all right, So let's put that aside

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Speaker 1: for just one second. Two eye openers in today's practice,

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Speaker 1: aside from that eye openers, Daniel Jones through the nicest

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Speaker 1: And and that he's got the mobility jones to run

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Speaker 1: So those were the key takeaways of everything that we

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Speaker 1: the phone lines. We've got Doug who is in Rochester.

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Speaker 1: He gets us going on Tuesday's edition A Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. What's happening Doug any? Last sum, I wanted

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Speaker 1: if you want to be considered a team that's got

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Speaker 1: a formidable pass rush and you want to lean on that.

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Speaker 1: Pass rush is one of your foundations of success. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to be, have to be in the mid

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Speaker 1: forties or higher. I'm bringing up Kansas City, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: was tied with Pittsburgh last and I know they're outliers

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Speaker 1: by the way, because what the Patriots had thirties something

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Speaker 1: last year. Correct, I mean there are outliers. I get it,

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Speaker 1: there's always outliers. But but hold on, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you brought that up. Twelve teams make the playoffs, six

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Speaker 1: in each conference. Let's not make it sound like three

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Speaker 1: a quarter of the teams or so or outliers. You

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Speaker 1: maybe get one paull to your point where you had

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Speaker 1: thirty to thirty two sacks and they just have a

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Speaker 1: prolific offense, or they've had a lot of turnovers there

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Speaker 1: and opportunistic teams, so that turnover differentials through the roof,

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Speaker 1: and it helped shorten the field and make up for

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Speaker 1: what they were lacking in the pass rush department. The Chiefs, though,

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Speaker 1: just as a means of comparison to the Giants in

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Speaker 1: two thousand eleven throughout because the Chiefs, who were one

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Speaker 1: of the best teams in terms of getting to the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Last season, they had as a unit fifty two sacks,

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Speaker 1: So they had Chris Jones fifteen and a half breakout

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Speaker 1: season for Chris Jones. D Ford, who is now with

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine is he had thirteen. So

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Speaker 1: there you go. You had two guys who were double

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Speaker 1: digit threats for Kansas City. That means that they had

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Speaker 1: two guys account for twenty eight and a half of

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Speaker 1: their fifty two sacks, So more than half of their

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Speaker 1: sacks came from two individuals. Yeah, when you get two

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Speaker 1: guys with at least ten, that's going to make it

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Speaker 1: extremely reasonable to at least get into that forty range

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Speaker 1: because half the battle is one by two guys that

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Speaker 1: are such serious threats the Giants, I mean, they're trying

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Speaker 1: to get to see if they can get one guy

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Speaker 1: in the double digit range at this point. So you know,

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Speaker 1: that's the difference between the Giants versus Pittsburgh and Kansas

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Speaker 1: City last season, which were so consistently good and getting

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Speaker 1: after the quarterback. Two zero five, one three. You're watching

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Speaker 1: and tuning into Tuesday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: It is presented by Corps Light. We're reviewing day one

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Speaker 1: of mandatory minicamp, the outlook for the Giants this season,

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Speaker 1: things they need to work on, and so forth. Let's

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Speaker 1: head back to the lines. We check in with Jeff,

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Speaker 1: who is in Rhode Island. Jeff, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 1: US I get after thrown gentlemen, Uh PAULI I had

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Speaker 1: a couple for you. I was wondering how Avery Moss

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Speaker 1: is moving around out there, and why is it that

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Speaker 1: Kareem Martin is still on this team. We've got absolutely

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Speaker 1: nothing out of out of him last year at all. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think, let me take the Avery Moss when I'll

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Speaker 1: let you take Kareem Martin. As far as every Moss,

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Speaker 1: he's one of my pet projects and I had actually

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Speaker 1: talked to one of the defensive members of the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff the other day and I said, listen, he's my

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Speaker 1: dark horse. I I think he's got a lot of skills.

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Speaker 1: I explained everything I've said to you guys on this program,

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Speaker 1: and he said to me, okay, well, here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: His advancement and his learning has been severely stunted by

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Speaker 1: inability to stay on the field, the injuries through his

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Speaker 1: first two years as a part of this organization have

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Speaker 1: significantly stunted his growth and development. And his comment to

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Speaker 1: me was, if he can stay on the field for

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Speaker 1: the entire summer, well then maybe we have something. But

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Speaker 1: right now he's still in their opinion, he's still a

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Speaker 1: raw player because he hasn't had enough of on field

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Speaker 1: technique experience to expand his game. Okay, yeah, I understand

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Speaker 1: that pot. But do you think he's healthy now? Right now?

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Speaker 1: He is? Right now, he is right now, He's fully

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Speaker 1: healthy and he's ready to go, and he's chopping at

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Speaker 1: the bit. You can imagine two years of frustration, you know.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Dave Gettleman brought him back after

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Speaker 1: two years of of being washed out by by injury.

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Speaker 1: He he was a free agent and the Giants decided

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Speaker 1: to offer him a deal to bring him back for

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Speaker 1: a third season. He had to think, in his own mind, well, listen,

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Speaker 1: I haven't really done much here. Do I want to

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Speaker 1: go somewhere else and have a fresh start. And he

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Speaker 1: thought about it and it was decided, you know what

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Speaker 1: if Dave Gettleman showing enough confidence and faith in him

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Speaker 1: to give him a third year to try to break out.

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Speaker 1: You know what, maybe that's the right thing to do.

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Speaker 1: So Gettman get Himan obviously sees the suffering from lack

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Speaker 1: of experience. Yes, Gettleman sees the tools. Otherwise he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have brought him back well. And he also from his mindset,

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Speaker 1: he knows the system too. If he were to start fresh,

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Speaker 1: he'd have to learn now a completely new system in

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Speaker 1: addition to trying to stay healthy and remain on the field.

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Speaker 1: As far as Kareem Martin, Jeff, you're at ninety guys

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Speaker 1: right now in the roster and nobody solidified the fifty three.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any harm in bringing back guys

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Speaker 1: and retaining guys from last season. Plus, he knows the

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Speaker 1: system and he has familiarity with James Betcher's so you know,

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Speaker 1: nobody's saying that he's solidified a role. But if you

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Speaker 1: could bring guys like that into camp, who can help

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Speaker 1: teach some of the younger guys that they brought in,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any downgrade in having them on

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Speaker 1: the roster at this point. I don't know. It seems

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Speaker 1: to me we threw too much money as somebody like him,

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Speaker 1: and we've got nothing out of him, So he's not

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites. Let's put it that way. So

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Speaker 1: you guys have a great day, Okay, all right, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Thanks for weighing in. Remember, you know,

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Speaker 1: Kaarie Martin one year here with the Giants. Let's see

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Speaker 1: what he does if he makes the team in year

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Speaker 1: number two. The whole defense, I think you could say

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Speaker 1: that about whenever you implement a new system, a new scheme,

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Speaker 1: and you involve a lot of new players, it takes time.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes a season for guys to just get

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Speaker 1: on the same page and keep in mind, then I'll

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Speaker 1: bring in a lot of new faces this year. But

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Speaker 1: I mean to sit here a debate, you know, why

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Speaker 1: guys are on the roster when you have the flexibility

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Speaker 1: to have ninety men to compete. I really think we're

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Speaker 1: way too early to be perhaps complaining about why somebody

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Speaker 1: else's is still on the roster when they're you know,

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Speaker 1: still evaluating exactly who's going to carve out a roll

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Speaker 1: and so forth, and in competition. At this point, I

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Speaker 1: think it's a good thing. I don't look at it

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Speaker 1: is necessarily a negative. Let's add back to the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: We got Matt in Rockland. Matt, welcome to Big Blue

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Speaker 1: kick Off Live. What do you have for us? I

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Speaker 1: got a question for you, But what is the reason

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Speaker 1: for the major discrepancy I received. I've seen like these

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Speaker 1: practice reports even just today, Paul, you're saying he thought

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Speaker 1: it was a good name for the quarterbacks. Most of

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Speaker 1: the beat writers tended to disagree unless it was Alex Tanney.

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Speaker 1: Alex Tanney just throws a nice ball. There's no question

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Speaker 1: about that. Here's what you have to understand. Um. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I've been doing this with thirty seven years,

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Speaker 1: so it's a long time. I've seen a lot. Experience

560
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: and knowledge play a lot into what you see in

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Speaker 1: your individual lens, what you're looking for and what you understand.

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Speaker 1: I prefer to take a coach's eye when I watch

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Speaker 1: a practice. I watched the entire practice, individual drills, the

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Speaker 1: seven on sevens, the eleven on elevens, and then the

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Speaker 1: individual drills after that, and then the next set of

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Speaker 1: eleven on eleve I'm looking at each section, each part

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Speaker 1: of it, and when I tell you I think they

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Speaker 1: had a good day overall, I'm telling you for the

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Speaker 1: entire ninety minutes, they threw the ball pretty well. What

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Speaker 1: you will see with many other people's comments, they're strictly

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Speaker 1: making comments on what was the seven on seven drill

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Speaker 1: or what's known as the team drills, the eleven on elevens.

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Speaker 1: My feeling is that's a shallow way to look at it,

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Speaker 1: and it's an uneducated way to look at it. Because

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Speaker 1: the coach watches the entire practice. They film and tape

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Speaker 1: the entire practice from the moment those guys get out

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Speaker 1: onto the field till the time they leave the field,

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Speaker 1: and all of that video is reviewed by the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff and by the respective units as they review how

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Speaker 1: their day went. So if the coaches are going to

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Speaker 1: grade the entire ninety minutes, why shouldn't I yet one?

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Speaker 1: Then I'll drop off the line. Guys Pat Lennon from

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Speaker 1: the Daily News and needs his press past vote that

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Speaker 1: guys an utter clown. We're not here to rate the

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Speaker 1: job that individual media members do, but do appreciate the

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Speaker 1: phone call. The one thing that I wanted to add

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Speaker 1: to what you just said, Paul. You know the other

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Speaker 1: thing that I noticed, and I take it to consideration.

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Speaker 1: There's flags that are thrown sometimes sometimes it's out of

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Speaker 1: the view of the media. Sometimes it's in the view

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Speaker 1: of the media, and that's important because Paul, there could

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Speaker 1: be a throw that's off the mark. For example, there

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Speaker 1: was a pass interference call and one of the players

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Speaker 1: I was watching from the back end view of the

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Speaker 1: end zone today and it was basically in the view

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Speaker 1: of where the media was standing, so they probably saw it.

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Speaker 1: But that could be a pass that all is incomplete.

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Speaker 1: You could review that as not a great throw by

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, but it was impacted because the wide receiver

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Speaker 1: was held by the corner or whatever it may be.

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Speaker 1: In the officials on the back end saw that. So

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Speaker 1: there are times where there may be issues on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line, or there may be issues at the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage and there's a flag noted, so that the

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Speaker 1: coaches on the sideline that are noting that that's going

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Speaker 1: to impact throws. This is what to take that into consideration. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is why it takes an experienced and knowledgeable I

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Speaker 1: who was able to see everything at once. I love

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Speaker 1: I love Pat Kerwin, the former front office executive with

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Speaker 1: the New York Jets who was on serious every day

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Speaker 1: who I think is one of the most brilliant football

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Speaker 1: analysts on TV or radio. Pat Kurwin is absolutely phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: He is outstanding at what he does because he looks

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Speaker 1: at things through a front office executive's eye as well

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Speaker 1: as through a coach's eye and a personnel director's eye.

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Speaker 1: That to me, is the most valuable way to look

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Speaker 1: at things, because that's how they're looking at it upstairs. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the the novice reporters, I tells me nothing, Okay, because

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Speaker 1: that's the most uneducated, I the least experienced eye, and

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna help me. Okay. I need to be

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Speaker 1: able to put my vision, my lens into the lens

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Speaker 1: of the coach, the general manager, of the personnel guy,

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Speaker 1: because I need to understand what is it that they're

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Speaker 1: looking for that they want to see, that that they

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00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: are interpreting, because that is the grade that's gonna tell

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00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: me what's really going on on the field. Seriously, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it would be akin to asking somebody to read a

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Speaker 1: feign language dictionary. I mean, that's that's that's what's happening.

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Speaker 1: If you can't translate it and you don't understand the language,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to come out of it.

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Speaker 1: With any substance or context. You're just not And so

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Speaker 1: that's my biggest problem when I hear about people saying

633
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Speaker 1: there's conflicting reports and what what why is this this way?

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00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: And this says the opposite, Well, it's because if you're

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00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: not digesting it from the appropriate lens, you have no

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Speaker 1: chance to have an accurate picture. You just don't. Well,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, everybody's entitled to their opinion.

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00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't make them right, it doesn't make them wrong.

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00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: And that's everybody will have opinions and opinions by definition

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Speaker 1: or not facts. I think that's well said. That's also

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Speaker 1: true too, Yeah, I mean it's facts are right or wrong.

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Speaker 1: Opinions you either agree with them or you disagree with them.

643
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Speaker 1: So I'm certainly not reading everybody's Twitter and looking at

644
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: a daily basis what they're reporting. Personally, I think it's

645
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: overkill in terms of the reporting out of any o

646
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: t a any minicamp. It's not just for the Giants,

647
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: it's for any team that has a bunch of peat writers.

648
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: They need to put out content. But I personally couldn't

649
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: care less the quarterback efficiency from practice to practice because

650
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: Paul at the end of the day. Listen, it's great

651
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: to see what these guys could do. It's great to

652
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: see the move around. I take mental notes. Everybody else

653
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: interprets it differently. You were judged by what you do

654
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: on game day. At the end of the day, your legacy.

655
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: What you do is between the lines. On Sunday's, Monday's, Thursday's,

656
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: whatever day of the week, there's an actual regular season game,

657
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: people want to have a chatter and they want to

658
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: have a talk about what went on in a random

659
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: practice in June. Hey, that's fine, that's great. It gives

660
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: us here's something to talk about in the program. But

661
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: this is just a message here to fans. Do not

662
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: get caught up in some random practice because in the

663
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: big picture of things, I don't care whether you thought

664
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones had a good practice, he had a bad

665
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: practice until he gets on the field. That's when we

666
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: separate the men from the boys. Paul I just answered

667
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: someone on Twitter before and because he was asking about, well,

668
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: what does this all mean They didn't play any games

669
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: yet you could still go five and eleven. The answer is,

670
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: whatever you see now, these grades are hollow. They're hollow grades. Okay,

671
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: your final one loss record and your performance during the

672
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: regular season. Those are the grades that Matt. This is

673
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: like taking that pretest. You know, if you were in

674
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: grammar school, remember in high school you took a pretest

675
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: before then you took the real one or what do

676
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: they remember the s A T s When we were

677
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: going to the college, they did have them for you, right, Okay, Well,

678
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you talk to me sometimes

679
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: like you were born in nineteen o three and I

680
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: was put on this earth. The huntry sometimes these issues.

681
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: But you know there was the p s A T.

682
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: And then there was the s a T. P s

683
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: a T was to get you used to this in

684
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: a way. This this is the p s A T. Okay.

685
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: This is not the determining factor as to what your

686
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: record is going to be or whether or not you're

687
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna graduate it to the playoffs. This is the

688
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: p s A T. Uh. It's hollow. It doesn't really

689
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: carry a lot of weight. But you'd rather check all

690
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: the boxes than not, that's all. Yeah. I mean it's

691
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: important to like I said, observing the players, their competitive spirit,

692
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: how they're running around, all of that is important. But honestly,

693
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: if you were to ask me what is the biggest

694
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: takeaway from an O T A workout. I think anybody

695
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: who was hurt Paul, anybody who was sidelined last season

696
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: didn't have the opportunity again in the field like a

697
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: Paul Perkins. This is extremely valuable for somebody like that,

698
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: so that he could get his legs back underneath him.

699
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: And then when they actually put on the pads and

700
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: they start hitting each other and running around, you know,

701
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: then you see, Okay, well, what did these workouts do

702
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: to get him back on track? You know, that to

703
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: me is a key takeaway from this time period, not

704
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: necessarily what the regulars who were on the field are doing.

705
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: You want them to take part, You want them to

706
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: be active, you want them to get something out of

707
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: the classroom work. But you know, sit in here saying, well,

708
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones was eight of ten on Tuesday, and then

709
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he was three of nine on Wednesday.

710
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: You know why, all of a sudden did things take

711
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: a downward spiral here? I'm not gonna lose sleep over that,

712
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: nor should I think any fan. Despite the fact that

713
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: I understand a lot of people are yearning for information

714
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: and so forth to zero one one three is the

715
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: telephone number. Let's head back to the lines. Scott is

716
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. Scott, welcome to the program. What do

717
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: you have for us? Good afternoon, guys. U. One of

718
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: the players that I'm interested in seeing this year, and

719
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: I think he was underutilized last year basically because of injury,

720
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: was Evan Ingram. In and fifteen games he had sixty

721
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: four catches, the average about eleven point three yards of reception,

722
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: and only eleven games, uh, he caught forty five and

723
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: the average twelve point five, so basically twelve yards every

724
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: time he touches the ball. So do you see the

725
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: Giants expanding his role a little bit, maybe in three

726
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver sets or using him in the backfield because

727
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: he's really such a dynamic player, and I know injuries

728
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: sort of sidelined him a little bit, but if he

729
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: uh gets to where he needs to go, I don't

730
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: see where anybody in the league can really cover him

731
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: one on one. So I was curious what your opinions

732
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: were expanding the role of every Ingram here. Well, I

733
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: don't know so much about expanding. I mean, I just

734
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: think they're going to continue to utilize him to me,

735
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: I would go Scott to the last four games of

736
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen with Odell Beckham not on the field.

737
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: I mean, look at how much he was targeted compared

738
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: to earlier in the season. Against Washington five targets, three

739
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: catches or seventy seven yards. The Tennessee game was targeted twelve,

740
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: which was a season high. He caught eight for seventy five.

741
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: Following week at Indie six targets, caught all of them

742
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: for eighty seven yards, and then against Dallas eight targets,

743
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: five catches, eighty one yards in a touchdown. I mean

744
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: him and Eli were on the same page and it

745
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: was consistent. So I think that you can expect. Why

746
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: is it crazy to think that he can't get anywhere

747
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: from six eight targets a game. I don't think that's

748
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: what you saw from him in December is the reason

749
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: they drafted him in the first round a few years ago.

750
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: And and and that was a glimpse of what the

751
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: potential ceiling is supposed to be for this guy, and

752
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: maybe even a little higher. But the truth of the

753
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: matter is, through the first couple of years of his career,

754
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: because of various circumstances, including injuries. He hasn't given the

755
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: Giants a lot more flashes of that nature. It's only

756
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: been one, a one month spurt. But that month, that

757
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: month is what the Giants saw when they made him

758
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Speaker 1: a number one pick. So that's what they're going to

759
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: expect from him in year three, which was we always

760
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: say is supposed to be the breakout year for a player.

761
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: So let's say, yeah, do you compare him to uh

762
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: tight end like George Kittle and Francisco Not at all

763
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: a similar type of athlete, not even close George. George

764
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: Kittle is a much more all around guy, much better blocker. Well,

765
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: and I think I don't think Kittle would line up

766
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Speaker 1: as a wide receiver. I think Evan Ingram has the

767
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: capability to do that. I would not put Kittle in

768
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: that department. Kills an excellent tight end, different style of player. Okay,

769
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Speaker 1: my last question, and again I can take this off

770
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Speaker 1: the year. I know Lance you're very high on making

771
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: sure teams have depth. As you look at the position

772
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: groups right now, it looks like the Giants have improved

773
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: in almost every area. But is there one specific group

774
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: you think that still requires more players who are as

775
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: you like to say, more depth at the position, and

776
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I'll take your answers off the air. Guys. Thanks Scott,

777
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much, Wayning. I mean,

778
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Speaker 1: I think it's a really good question which position perhaps

779
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: needs more work? Well, I think the offensive line has

780
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: come a long way. Let's focus on the ones that

781
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: I think have made strides, Paul, because of what you

782
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 1: and I have talked about on multiple shows, the competition

783
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: at the center position would to me automatically give you

784
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: depth because whoever loses that becomes a center slash guard.

785
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: I think there's some more competition at the tackle spots overall,

786
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: much more so than I've seen over the last few seasons.

787
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: So I think probably the one area that is made

788
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: do you stride in the depth department? I think offensive

789
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: line should top that list or come close to topping

790
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: that list. Well, see, for me, the Giants have had

791
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: enough trouble trying to reconstruct their roster to put together

792
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: a starting unit on both sides of the ball that

793
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: can compete for a possible playoff spot. Well, to do that,

794
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna be behind the eight ball in terms of

795
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: adding depth at a number of different spots. On the team,

796
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's where the Giants are right now.

797
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: They're trying to put a twenty two man starting unit

798
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: on the field that can fight for a playoff spot

799
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: in December. I think they are getting real close to that.

800
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: If not there, I really believe that. But but the

801
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: depth weakness is a problem. You don't know what the

802
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: back of the depth chart is along each of the trenches.

803
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: You don't know what it's gonna be at at wide receiver,

804
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: you don't know what the depth is gonna be at linebacker.

805
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: You know, you're not You're not sure the depth in

806
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: the secondary. You know you've got a lot of a

807
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: bunch of young guys who look like they've got a

808
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: lot of potential. But when you say depth, depth says

809
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: to me, even if the guy isn't good enough to

810
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: be a high quality starter, depth says to me, he

811
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: has proven that he's a capable player and can step

812
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: in if you need him. Well. The Giants have very

813
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: few spots on their roster, okay, where they really have

814
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: what you would call solid depth that they know that

815
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: if they got to go to the bench for two

816
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: or three weeks at a time, they can for sure

817
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: count on a kid or a veteran who has proven

818
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: to do that job. Michael Thomas's depth, a Wayne Goldman

819
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: is depth. You know his depth if you want to

820
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: consider I don't think Smith makes it. But I mean

821
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: as if you want to consider Ellison as death behind Ingram. Okay,

822
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: they got depth at tight end, um depth at safety

823
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: with Michael Thomas. But but do you have proven depth

824
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: at corner? No? Do you have proven depth at linebacker? No?

825
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: Do you have proven depth along the defensive line? Not really?

826
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: You got a bunch to young guys, but you don't

827
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: know for sure what McIntosh is. You don't know that.

828
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: So that's the answer to the question is that there's

829
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: there's not much in terms of widespread, proven depth. It

830
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. But that's where this stage that this team

831
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: is in right now, they're trying to become a playoff

832
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: team with their starting twenty two depth is awesome, but

833
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: you've got to be at a further advanced stage in

834
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: your redevelopment before you can start talking about having a

835
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: lot of depth. Yeah. I mean I look at depth

836
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: the same way you do, Paul. I think if you've

837
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: got a number of veterans or players that have had

838
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: experience getting on the field, not necessarily just being around

839
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: on rosters and offensive line. As I mentioned, you may

840
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of proven depth, but I think compared

841
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: to where they were over the last two seasons, I

842
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: look at that as improvement. I like the depth at

843
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: wide receiver and I think it's much more proven than

844
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: the offensive line. See, that would be the position that

845
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: I would probably put right neck and neck wide receiver,

846
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: offensive line because to your if Shephard got hurt, if

847
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: Golden Tate got hurt, I feel pretty good with who

848
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: they would have to turn to. The Cody Lattimer's, the

849
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman's, the Russell Shepherd's. I wouldn't necessarily nobody's saying

850
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl players, that's not It's just you know,

851
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: at least should put them out on the field. They

852
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: could run good rounds to place. Yeah, I guess what

853
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. I guess I would feel receiving depth

854
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: is probably one of the stronger depth charred places on

855
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: the team, especially considering the other ones that are thin. Yeah, cornerback,

856
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: You're right, a lot of youth there, so you've got value.

857
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: But see, volume and depth are two different things. They're

858
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: totally different corner. You have volume corner, you don't necessarily

859
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: have depth. And I agree with you. To me to

860
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: answer the question that Scott posed, linebacker would be the

861
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: position where I think there's room for improvement in having

862
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: sold depth because you know, you look at some of

863
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: the players on the back end that are going to

864
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: be competing and there's just there's not a lot of Hey,

865
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: they've been there and done that. You know, Ryan Connolly

866
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: is a rookie, Tay Davis is still a young player.

867
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: That b J. Goodson is also a young player. Remember

868
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: he's dealt with some injuries. So you know, we're talking

869
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: about Alec Ogiltree and I'm talking about the interior guys

870
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: right now that I'm focusing on. But outside of him,

871
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: right Paul, You've got a lot of unproven commodities or

872
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: young guys that just may have flashed. And then on

873
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: the outside, Lorenzo Carter is still a young player, Okay,

874
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden not far removed from a torn a c

875
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: L Karee Martin. We talked about every moss. Those are

876
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: the lineback Here's here's all you want to grade this,

877
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: and I guess Scott take this, take this to heart

878
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: because this is the this is the crux of everything

879
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about in this call. When you look at

880
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: the second and third string guys on the depth chart,

881
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: basically the second half of your roster. Okay, if you've

882
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: got guys who are proven and you feel very comfortable with,

883
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: then you know what, you're up a chelan team. If

884
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of guys there quantity and you've

885
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: think they could be answers, well, now you're the middle

886
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: of the pack team. If you have a bunch of

887
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: guys on the back end of your roster who are

888
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: just they're holding spots because you have nobody else and

889
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: they're not really any good, but you don't have anybody

890
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: else to plug in there, well, now you're in the

891
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: bottom part of the National Football League. That's where the

892
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: Giants have been mostly in recent years. They've had guys

893
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: just holding spots on the roster because there hasn't been

894
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: enough competition or enough of players who you could at

895
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: least say, you know what, maybe he's good enough. Well,

896
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: now they're at that level where they've got a bunch

897
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: of players all over the roster that you're saying to yourself,

898
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe he's good enough to play. That's

899
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: what separates the Giants from being a bottom feeder. That's

900
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: why they're a better team. That's why they're not a

901
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: three win team. That's why they're not a five win team.

902
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: This is a much more competitive team because they've come

903
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: out of that third level. They've gotten into the middle level.

904
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: Now let's head back to the phone lines. We have

905
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: Eric who is in Fargo and he joins us here

906
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: on Tuesday's that they shout a big blue kick off life.

907
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: What's happened? Eric? Hey, I got a question for you.

908
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: Which rookie class are you looking forward to seeing the

909
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: mini camp? James, Well, I mean seven guys were drafted

910
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: out of the ten players on defense, so obviously any

911
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: of those guys are gonna be very important because they'll

912
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: need some immedia contributions. But I mean, when you look

913
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: at the first round picks and you know Jones is

914
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: going to be on the shelf for a while until

915
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: Leli gives up that that throne. You look at Lawrence

916
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: and you look at Baker, you know, and then of

917
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: course you look you look at it Ziminez and you

918
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: look at Love and you're like, you know what four

919
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: those first five picks that the Giants took in this draft,

920
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: they should be significant contributors right away. So I guess

921
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm excited about all four of those guys. Okay, and

922
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: my last question it's for you. Do you think this

923
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: to be Eli that's right with the Giants. I mean,

924
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: it's certainly possible, but it's equally possible that he comes

925
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: back for another season. It all depends how the circumstances

926
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: play out. I don't think anybody knows for sure right

927
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: now how it's gonna go. And I think anybody who

928
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: tells you otherwise is a fool because it's fifty fifty.

929
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: It's literally flip of a coin. If things go right,

930
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: Eli could very well be back for another year. If

931
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: things don't go right, he could very well be be

932
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: done at the end of the season. This could go

933
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: either way. It's also thank you guys, all right, appreciate

934
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: And that's not a cop out. I mean, there are

935
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: just too many things that could happen. Well, of course,

936
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: here's the way that you have to view it, because

937
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: I have questions all the time that are posed to

938
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: me on Twitter about you know, Daniel Jones and starting

939
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: him in two thousand twenty. Eli Manning as of right now,

940
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: is not under contract beyond the two thousand nineteen season.

941
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: So you could speculate all you want until that changes.

942
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: It is what it is. He's got one year remaining

943
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: on his contract. If the Giants don't give him an

944
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: extension before the season ends, then nothing's gonna change. With

945
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: respect to the conversation. He has to be given an

946
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: extension for us to start to speculate and talk about

947
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: him being here for another season. I think on the

948
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: service right now, Eli Manning is here for one year.

949
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: That's just based on the facts that we can only

950
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: operate depending on how this season plays out. Is there

951
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: more than a good enough chance that they give him

952
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: an extension. Yes, I think that's a reasonable assumption. But

953
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: operating right now, he has one year remaining on his

954
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: contracts until that changes, I don't think it's crazy to

955
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: start thinking about the future beyond two thousand nineteen. Let's

956
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines and we check in

957
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: with Lenn in Columbia, Maryland. Len, what's happening, Hey, guys,

958
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: how are you doing right? What do you have for us? Well,

959
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: you know, just talking about Eli for a second. This

960
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: wasn't really what I called up about. But here, here's

961
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: here's my nightmare with regard to the end of Eli's

962
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: career with us. We get to Game sixteen this year,

963
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: Eli plays the series and comes off the field to

964
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: a stand the innovation. I just don't want to see

965
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: it and that way. But I'm afraid it may not

966
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: be that end, but it's going to be something like that.

967
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's really gonna be. I'm not blaming the

968
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: Giants for anything here, I am just saying it's really

969
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: a tough situation with elich Um Paul, I, I agree

970
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: with you this this this team appears to be better.

971
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I get the feeling there's some better people

972
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: on this team now. And maybe it's the way it

973
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: should be. You know, we're in the second year of

974
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: the Gettleman era, and and we should be getting better,

975
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: the second year of the Sherman era. Everything should be

976
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: getting better. But you know, I, jeez, I just keep

977
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: thinking other teams are getting better. To Paul, I mean,

978
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm wondering how much better. It's nice

979
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: to get better, but you know, we make an up

980
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: ground on those teams in our division. You won't know

981
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: until you start playing, Lenne. One way to find out

982
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: should go out there to play. Yeah, shorts and shorts

983
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: are are hollow grades. You know, we could we could

984
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: tell you that the boxes are being checked right now,

985
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: and that's better than not checking them, but it still

986
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: doesn't mean a whole lot until they get on the

987
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: field in September. Yeah. Yeah, in the end, you're absolutely right.

988
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned about the wide receivers. M I

989
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: guess maybe when I see him out on the field

990
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: and see him doing some things, they just I'm just

991
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: a little concerned about what we've what we've really got

992
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: their wide receiver. I know on that you you feel

993
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: like you you feel like there is a little bit

994
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: of depth there. Um, I just you know, I just

995
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: keep thinking back to the end of last year and

996
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: and and you know, he's a great athlete, and uh,

997
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: but chief we started Dante Fowler. I mean, holy cow Fowler,

998
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: Betty Fowler. You're talking about Fallers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

999
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: the wide receiver and holy cow, that's that's just Fowler. Well,

1000
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: but but here's here's where I'm looking at it. Lane,

1001
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. First of all, Cody Lattimer barely

1002
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: played last season because remember he was sideline. He's on

1003
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: I R. But the games that he did play, he

1004
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: actually made play. So if he's fully healthy, Okay, that's

1005
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: another guy that now you turn to. You know what

1006
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: you're getting out of Sterling Shepherd. We've seen him enough

1007
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: that hopefully the opportunity is going to be there for

1008
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: him to maybe step it up a notch. But you

1009
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: know at least what you're gonna get out of Sterling Shepherd.

1010
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: Golden Tate's a proven veteran. I think it's fair to

1011
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: say you know what you're gonna get out of Golden Tate. Okay,

1012
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: So those are three guys. Then you look at Okay,

1013
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: Darius Slayton is a young guy. Time will tell Corey

1014
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: Coleman I think has an unbelievable opportunity in front of him.

1015
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: I keep saying this every program because if Coleman is

1016
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: as hungry as he should be, not only is there

1017
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: an opportunity to make a special team indent on this squad,

1018
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: but I think that that number three wide receiver job

1019
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: is for the taking, and his name is very much

1020
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: in the mix. So there's another guy who's not far

1021
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: removed from being a first round pick who's that has

1022
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: all the upside in the world. I don't think we're

1023
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: turning in the opposite direction where he could surprise a

1024
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: lot of people. So, you know, I named you five guys.

1025
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: I'll throw in Russell Shepherd too. Russell Shepherd, I thought

1026
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: also made plays last season when guys got hurt. He

1027
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: caught the touchdown from Odell Beckham. He also caught another

1028
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: touchdown in the Redskins game. He's more than Cable is

1029
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: stepping up. You know the problem here, it's not a

1030
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: complete wide receiving core. It's just not. It's it's it's

1031
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: one that's got a lot of questions and doubts but

1032
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: does have at least some potential answers that can make

1033
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: you functional. But there are two things missing. They don't

1034
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: have the skyscraper. Okay, the plexical Burrish type. They don't

1035
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: have one of those in that room. Unless a guy

1036
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: like Reggie White, who's at six three out of Monmouth

1037
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: it turns out to be, you know, a great training

1038
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: camp petition and maybe steals a spot. But they don't

1039
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: have a skyscraper who's proven, and they don't have a

1040
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: burner who's proven. Corey Coleman is still a question. Darius

1041
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 1: Slayton is obviously a question. So so those are two

1042
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: things that if you said to me, okay, show me

1043
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl contending wide receiver's room, Well, there's two

1044
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: elements are going to be in that room. Right now,

1045
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: the Giants don't have those elements. It doesn't mean they

1046
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: can't function to be a playoff team, but they don't

1047
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: have those two things. Now. Probably a little late to

1048
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: be talking about this, but you know, you look at

1049
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: last year's receiving corps and you look at the numbers.

1050
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Beckham had seventy seven and twelve games he's gone.

1051
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: Shepard had sixty six. Just the wide receivers. I'm not

1052
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: talking about anybody else. Now. You know, you put together

1053
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: the next five or six guys that were on the roster,

1054
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: maybe for a few games, maybe the whole season. I

1055
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: know some guys who were injured, but I think the

1056
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: rest of them had about forty five catches and that's

1057
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: that's that's five or six guys. I mean, well, in

1058
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: any event, just just to move on to something else,

1059
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little concerned about the wide receivers. I

1060
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: mean this, guys, there's a lot of yardage to be

1061
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: made up. Beckham not on the scene. Yeah, But to me,

1062
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: the way you make up for that land also is

1063
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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, who was sidelined at times last season. You

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00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: expect him to get on the field, hopefully stay healthy.

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00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: His numbers increased. So that's how partially you make up

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Speaker 1: for it. You know, Sae Kwon Barkley, I'm sure they're

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Speaker 1: gonna find different ways to utilize him. That's another way

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00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: you can also make. Let me let me offer one

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00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: thing to your lend that maybe of some comfort. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Golden Tate is basically I kill your the second okay,

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Speaker 1: And and you saw how productive the Giant's offense could

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00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: be where I kill your Heck, they went to a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl in two thousand with him. Okay, Golden Tate

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00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: is that kind of guy. He's a third down monster.

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00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: He's a terrific possession receiver, smart, tough, a route runner,

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00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: a guy who will help block for the run off

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Speaker 1: of the edge and down field. He fills the I

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00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: kill your role. And and there's nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he's got to be a pro bowler

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Speaker 1: sever to be productive and functional and help you win games. Well,

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00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: he does. If we want to, if we want to

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Speaker 1: replace what we had last year, no, this is it.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't do that. Don't do that. Then this isn't

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00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: about matching last year's numbers or replacing guys and putting

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Speaker 1: guys in those shoes. That's not what this is about.

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00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: This is about putting guys on the field as a

1087
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: unit who are going to be functional in Aleuf to

1088
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: get done what you wish to get done. That's what

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00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: this is about. Forget last year. Take Beckham's numbers and

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00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: flush them down to toilet. They mean nothing, They mean nothing.

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00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: Well what they do mean, Paul? If you put all

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00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: the numbers together from scrimmage, Riich was not a lot

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00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: the passing yards. I think it was about a hundred

1094
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: yards total. We're talking about four yards, Paul. I understand that,

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00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: but but that's not do do you Look if you

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00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: want to match last year's numbers, you're five and you're

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00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: five and eleven. I mean, seriously, don't don't play that game.

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00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: But don't play that game. Don't play that game. We

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00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: can't do that again. Okay until defense is part of

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00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: that too, though, right, So don't play that game. It's

1101
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: not about matching last year's numbers. It's about getting better

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Speaker 1: as a football team. And your numbers don't have to

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00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: match last year's numbers to be a better team and

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Speaker 1: win more games. They don't. Well and Len, first of all,

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00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: you're talking about fourteen hundred yards from scrimmage. Golden Tate

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00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 1: is a borderline one thousand yard guy. So if Golden Table,

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Speaker 1: let's say, gives me nine hundred yards Evan Ingram, who

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00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: I mentioned was not fully healthy last year, I can

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00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: easily get perhaps an additional you know, three fifty out

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Speaker 1: of him. Before you know what, we're at fourteen hundred.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's not that's not an unbelievable number. Here,

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Speaker 1: give me, give me some give me some numbers. What

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00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: what do you expect from Golden Tape. I think Golden

1114
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: Tade is going to I was actually we were asked

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Speaker 1: this question. I think it was a factor of fiction

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Speaker 1: on giants dot Com. I'm looking at him in that

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00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: nine hundred nine fifty ballpark, I think he's capable of

1118
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm not sold that he's gonna get a thousand, but

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Speaker 1: when you look at what he did with the Lions

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Speaker 1: three of his last four full season with the Lions,

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Speaker 1: and the Lions had a lot of other talent around him.

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00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: You know, they had Calvin Johnson, had some other guys.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was just the man. He finished

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Speaker 1: with a thousand. I could see him getting guys And

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Speaker 1: you guys have totally miss Systems can help you Land,

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Speaker 1: But tell me about the first half of the season.

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00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: What happened in Philadelphia. Well, you're totally missing. He was

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Speaker 1: in Philly the second half of the season. Correct, he

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Speaker 1: was traded, But you're both missing. The point Golden takes

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Speaker 1: value to the Giants is gonna be third down conversions.

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Speaker 1: Forget about his total yardage, third down conversions moved the

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00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: sticks and allow the Giants to do what they want

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00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: to do. Lenn, that's the number you want to look

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Speaker 1: at his third down conversion. Said earlier in the show, Paul,

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Speaker 1: we got We already got Shepherd to do that. I

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00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: mean we got I thought Shepherd was our third down

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00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: guy coming out coming out of the slot. I mean,

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00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people have said, well, you

1139
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: really got the same kind of receiver. I don't necessarily

1140
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: believe that, but I think we're expecting too much from

1141
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: Golden Take. Really, we really are. So let me ask

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Speaker 1: you another question. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a

1143
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: philosophy and tell me. Tell me where I'm tell me

1144
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: where I'm If you think I'm wrong on this, here's

1145
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: the philosophy. Former starters on your team don't make good

1146
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: backups on your team? Well, I mean you're talking about

1147
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: the Giant specifically. Will let you go on that note,

1148
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Speaker 1: Land appreciate the phone call. We'll we'll answer that question.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't make it so general that former staters don't

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00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: make good backups. I think it depends on where that

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00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: former staughter is in his career. I think if you

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00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: look at some former staters when they get to the

1153
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: tail end of their career, if they're sold on, hey,

1154
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna be that complimentary guy we're gonna bring in

1155
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: on third down pass rushing situations, for example, if you're

1156
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, some guys welcome that and they thrive

1157
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Speaker 1: in those positions. So I wouldn't generalize it to say

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Speaker 1: that a guy who started previously can't thrive in a

1159
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: situation as a backup roll. Correct, look at the Giants,

1160
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: they had a bunch your reclamation projects who are on

1161
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Speaker 1: the on the back end of their careers were former starters,

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Speaker 1: and the supplemented a good team and made them a

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Speaker 1: championship team. So no, I totally disagree with Lennon that

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Speaker 1: I would not read too much into that. All Right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna close up the show with one last caller.

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Speaker 1: Shamari is in Alabama. Shamary, Welcome to the program. What

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Speaker 1: do you got for us? Hey? How are you doing? Guys? Hey?

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Speaker 1: I called to talk about Dave Gentleman, and I just

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Speaker 1: want to say that he gets it. He knows what's

1170
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Speaker 1: going on in the league. It's also a copycat league,

1171
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you play to

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Speaker 1: win the division and that's where he built this team

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Speaker 1: to do. Win the division. Okay, so let's start off

1174
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: with our defensive line with best Lawrence Dalin, Thomlinson, B. J. Hill. Okay,

1175
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: our division is a run heavy division, so let's just

1176
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Speaker 1: stop the run and we all in the division itself

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: is pretty uh, I wouldn't say pretty average as far

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Speaker 1: as receiver cores, and most of the quarterbacks in our

1179
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Speaker 1: division rely on the running games. So let's just plug

1180
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Speaker 1: up the run and make these quarterbacks that are really

1181
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: don't have uh even closer as much experience is as

1182
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: all quarterbacks. Eli managed, so, um, they're gonna make mistakes.

1183
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna make mistakes if you take that running game

1184
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Speaker 1: away from them. And when I say get them and

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01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: gets it and you know that uh statement of cultural

1186
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: change is you know people people think too far out

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Speaker 1: of the box with it. Let's look at the Saints

1188
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Speaker 1: and let's look at the Ridskins. Okay, you know, because

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'll stay in the state. There's a big

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01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: SEC conference, and I look at the Redskins. How they

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01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: loaded up with Alabama players and as the culture changed.

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Speaker 1: You know when you when you college teammates with certain

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01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: players and you gain that brotherhood, that camodity, you actually

1194
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: work harder together you play the game. Is the same

1195
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: thing with the Saints, where when they loaded up with

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Speaker 1: Ohio State Buck Eyes. That's why always felt like it

1197
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: was a win win situation. With Eli AppleTree, he wasn't

1198
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Speaker 1: happy in New York and he went to New Orleans

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Speaker 1: and he gained that brotherhood back and became a better

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Speaker 1: player overall. It's the same thing with us. We loaded

1201
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Speaker 1: up with Georgia Bulldogs and um, you know Clemson Tigers.

1202
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: People that that that love that loved the school that

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Speaker 1: they played for, and they're gonna love playing besides people

1204
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Speaker 1: that believe the same things they did. They come from

1205
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Speaker 1: winning programs and that's what I mean. We played to

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Speaker 1: win the division, all right. Yeah, I mean, I think

1207
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Speaker 1: it's a fair point. I think every team is playing

1208
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Speaker 1: to win the division. I don't think the Giants are

1209
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: on an island all by themselves. I think it's fair

1210
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: to say that they want to stop the run. There's

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. I also wouldn't dismiss and appreciate

1212
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Speaker 1: the phone call Shamari, thanks for weighing in the other

1213
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the division. I think Carson Wentz is more

1214
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: than capable of doing damage with his arm despite the

1215
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: fact that he doesn't have a great deal of experience,

1216
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: and I think the Eagles have a lot of talent

1217
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: around him, So you know, I wouldn't necessarily categorize the

1218
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: NFC East is just a run heavy league. I think

1219
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: good teams start with the run and build off of that.

1220
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: And that's why you've seen the Cowboys and the Eagles

1221
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: specifically recently have success because they have had strong running games,

1222
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: but Marie Cooper the acquisition of him changed Dallas's season.

1223
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: And you can even make the argument, zach Ertz and

1224
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: Golden Tate that combo in the second half of the

1225
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: season also helped the Eagles do wonders two in recent history.

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Speaker 1: All Right, that is gonna wrap things up for us

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Speaker 1: here on Tuesday's edition. A Big Blue Kick Off Live

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Speaker 1: will be back up and running Wednesday and Thursday again

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Speaker 1: one thirty pm Eastern special time because of the change

1230
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Speaker 1: in the schedule during mandatory minicamp for Paul Latino. I'm

1231
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: Lance Meado and Jow. The rest of your Tuesday will

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Speaker 1: speak to you tomorrow right here on Giants dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Have a going