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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion and welcome to x ray Vision,

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Speaker 1: the Crooked podcast where week dive deep to your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: one our continuing coverage of Hot Dea, House of the Dragon,

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Speaker 1: including recap of episode four and the Ask the Master segment.

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Speaker 1: MCU going forward in this part. In this part one,

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Speaker 1: episode one for this week, House of the Dragon Episode four,

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Speaker 1: Ask the Master, and if you want to jump around,

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Speaker 1: check the show notes for timestamps. Joining me today to

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Speaker 1: talk about all of the things that we are talking

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Speaker 1: about is the Great, the Wise, the wonderful Rosie night, Rosie,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 3: Ah? Hello, I'm so happy to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here with you. We're both

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Speaker 1: back from travels. Hopefully we have both avoided COVID. I'm

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Speaker 1: knocking on wood.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, knock, knock, knock.

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Speaker 1: And I can't wait to talk to you about this.

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Speaker 1: Let's just dive into it, because there's so much. Let's

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Speaker 1: episode four of House of the Dragon, King of the

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Speaker 1: Narrow Sea, written by Ira Parker and directed by Claire Kilner.

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Speaker 1: It's marriage to her time. It's time to find a

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Speaker 1: mate for Raniera, and we open at storms End. It's

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Speaker 1: the Brathians. We are in the storm lands. Raniera is

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Speaker 1: staggering drowsily through various interminably long speeches about how such

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Speaker 1: are speeches from the man woodies and from the MUDs folks.

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Speaker 1: It's great to see House Mud extinct when we catch

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Speaker 1: we next? Up a young nobleman literally twelve or thirteen,

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Speaker 1: they were kings before the conquest, which I gotta say, Rosie.

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Speaker 1: Rania is wondering how her dad, King Visaras, is going

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Speaker 3: We were we were ragging on Kristin, yeah, because he

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Speaker 3: you know what, Kristen Cole is probably not gonna end

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Speaker 1: it's actually great to see Visaras and Damon back together,

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Speaker 1: Like you get the field, just incredible performances of course

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Speaker 1: happy for once reminiscing about Alicitar Gearan. His and Damon's mother, Raniera,

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Speaker 1: is incapable of? What will he do next? How did

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00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: he show up here, how did he sneak her out

427
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: of the capitol, How did he get in to get

428
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: the dragon's egg? He wants to rub that in everyone's faces.

429
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: He's not like the thief who wants to sneak in

430
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: and sneak out and leave no fingerprints. He wants to

431
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: leave the fingerprints.

432
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's obsessed with the personal myth that he creates.

433
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: There's a moment, so they run away and he does

434
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: the dumbest shit, but it's not dumb because it's actually

435
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: exactly what he wanted to do. He makes them take

436
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: off their caps. Yes, he wants everyone to see the

437
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: white Targarian hair as they head onto the next part

438
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 3: of the dirt bag tour. I yelled. I was on

439
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: the edge of my seat for a lot of this episode,

440
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: but I yelled at the TV because I just thought, Rianera,

441
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: you should fucking know bad like this call. Wants people to.

442
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: Know what do they call Riniero the Realms de Light?

443
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: What are they call Prince Daemon the Prince of the City.

444
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: This is because these are two of the three or

445
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: four most famous people in the realms, certainly and King Glanning.

446
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: People would know either what they look like or understand

447
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: if I see that silver white hair, that's Targario exactly.

448
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: And so absolutely Damon wants these rumors out there. He

449
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: wants that to happen. They head to a brothel where

450
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: where Verdiera says, what is this place? Uh? And Damon

451
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: is like, what do you think? And they then, in

452
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: the words of Auto High Tower couple.

453
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is This is an incredibly interesting moment as well,

454
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 3: because so they walk through it's a very extended Game

455
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: of Thrones sex scene. But I will say something this

456
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 3: episode does that is really interesting. There is a lot

457
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: of background and text about the idea of like sex

458
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 3: and how it is for women and the experience of

459
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: whether sex is pleasurable or not, and we get that

460
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: with these kind of dueling narratives of Alison and Reniera.

461
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: And you know, she walks through like a two minute

462
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 3: brothel where everyone's banging, there's all kinds of pair everyone,

463
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: everyone's coupling, and she's like, oh, what's going on. I'm like,

464
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: I know, you know, I know, you know, but yeah,

465
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: alas they couple. But what I want to ask you. Okay,

466
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: so we've seen that Damon can struggle with stress in

467
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 3: the bedroom, and it does seem like something happens they

468
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 3: they they hook up, but Damon gets freaked out and

469
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 3: it kind of seems like he gets freaked out when

470
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: Raniera gets into it, which I found very interesting. But

471
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like they actually you know, consumated. There's

472
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: there's something that occurs, but Damon, he he gets freaked

473
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: out and he runs away.

474
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I believe they say in the after

475
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: show that he could not perform in this moment, which

476
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: we saw earlier in episode one with with Massari, and

477
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. I think that there Again,

478
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: I think that as fucked up as this relationship is,

479
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: I think that there is sincere chemistry, there a real

480
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: depth of feeling, and I think Damon is used to

481
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: a level of control and I think when Raniera seizes

482
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: that control, Yeah, that on top of the fact that

483
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: there is real emotion there for both of them, I

484
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: think that freaks him out. He doesn't quite know how

485
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: to respond to that, and so he just stalks off. Yeah.

486
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: And also, okay, so do you think just on the

487
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: tiny bit of empathy that we're saying that we can

488
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: see he has sincerity, do you also think there's a

489
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: there's a split second way he realizes that if he

490
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: does this because he wants the rumors, but if he

491
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: actually does it, that could impact Ranera's life just terrifically.

492
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: Even though the rumors will just say thing. I wonder

493
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: if to him that distinction between the action and the perception,

494
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: which is a huge thing here about the perception and

495
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: the truth. I wonder if that mad to him in

496
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't I wonder too.

497
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: It's hard, it's hard to unwind. But I think my

498
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: sense is that he thought that this was going to

499
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: go one way, and when it went another way, that's

500
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: what he's worried about. Because I I, as much as

501
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: we acknowledge that Damon does feel something, whatever that means,

502
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, sincerely for his niece.

503
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: Remind his teenage niece who was still being played milli

504
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: alcohol being since they were a child.

505
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: His teenage niece that that that At the same time,

506
00:30:53,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: I I don't think that the feelings that any kind

507
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: of empathy not ever really enters Damon Targarian's worldview at all.

508
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever wonders. I don't ever. I

509
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: don't think he ever wondered even if he cares about somebody.

510
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: I think it's in a way that is pure narcissism,

511
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: where it's about their their interactions with him, it's always

512
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: him at the center what it means for him, and

513
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: not what it means for the other. That's just my

514
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: read on.

515
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: It means no, I like that. And also we see

516
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: and this is one of my favorite things about Damon

517
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: as character. This was either a plan or in the fallout,

518
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: he makes a very quick, very clever plan. So either way,

519
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: it's like, either way he doesn't give a shit about

520
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: Reanera when it really comes to.

521
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: The immigration of this. So as they are hooking up

522
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: and then Damon gets freaked out or whatever the case

523
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: might be in and walks away leaving leaving Renera, they're

524
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: very confused. We see a child who's just hanging out

525
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: in a brothel, as one does here in King's Landing,

526
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: where anything goes. We see a child get up and

527
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: run away clearly and in form meant of some kind.

528
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: Back in the castle, the king is apparently aroused after

529
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: his bath, his soothing bath that Allison performed for him,

530
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: and now he is asking for the Queen to come

531
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: to his chambers. And it's very late now, Sin It's

532
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: like it's late, it's like the hour of the Wombat

533
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: or the Giraft or whatever the fuck it is. But

534
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: the lady in waiting, the courtier is like, yeah, but

535
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: it's the King, He's asked, he's asking for you, and

536
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: show she absolutely has to go. And it is a

537
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: It is an awful scene of Allison and the kind

538
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: of gilded prison that she is locked in under, this

539
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: like decaying man with disgusting sores on his back as

540
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: she has just staying aing, you know, blindly up at

541
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: the ceiling and seeing rats run across the top of

542
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: her bedposts. It's pretty awful. Rania returns to her chambers,

543
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: shocking Kristen Cole, who's like, how the fuck did you

544
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: get out? And and here Raniera is clearly excited by

545
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: the kind of freedom, this like taste of freedom that

546
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: she has experienced as just another person running around the

547
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: streets of King's Landing. And she then seduces this night

548
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: in a scene that is the polar opposite of Whitney

549
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: just witnessed with Allison and King Vissaras and you got it, man,

550
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: it's got it. What does it take thirty five minutes

551
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: to get that armor off? Like, yeah, forty five minutes?

552
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: So slow?

553
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the best there is a very interesting power

554
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: dynamic that flips it, which is oh yes, we saw,

555
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: oh yes, we've seen before. The Allison was the queen

556
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: and Allison had the power to overpower what Raniera wanted

557
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: and to say you must do this the king. But

558
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: this time we see that now being the queen has

559
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: isolated Alison to a point where she has no friends,

560
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: she has no one she trusts, she has no confidants,

561
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: and she doesn't She is in a marriage she didn't

562
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: want to be in, as she was used as a

563
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: political tool. So while she lays under this kind of

564
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: like you said, this kind of rotting elderly man, Rania

565
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: is running around having the most unbelievable, ridiculous freedom to

566
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: the point where it's dangerous, but it's amazing. She has

567
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: a freedom in not being the queen, and she has

568
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: a freedom and agency over her own body and the

569
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 3: choices that she's making that are just it's really well

570
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: done to put those stark contrasts into play.

571
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: I completely agree. And then there's an interesting paradynamic also

572
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: with her and Chrystical. Obviously she is still a very

573
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: young woman. At the same time time she is she's

574
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: offering Kristen Cole something that could lead to his death,

575
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: to his torture, to his death, to him being derobed,

576
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: cast out of the King's guard at a minimum, and

577
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: like have his dick cut off and his head cut off,

578
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: tortured and killed. So a lot of interesting things going

579
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: on here on top of the fact that here we

580
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: are with this leaning into this kind of iconic fairy tale,

581
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: the trope of the Princess and the Shining Night and

582
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: the Shining Armor, and you just know, because this is

583
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: Westrust and this is George R. Martin and this is

584
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: as the Dragon, that this cannot last. There's no way

585
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: this can last.

586
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: And they've done a really great job in this fast

587
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: half of the season. You knew that this was why

588
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: Ronara picked him.

589
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: She had a crush.

590
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: She was he's a good guy, yeah, and he was.

591
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: He was like he came from exotic, far away land

592
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: in battles and he was the prince who comes and

593
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: saves you from the life imprisoned in the castle. But

594
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: it's really nice for once, in the context of the

595
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: show and the way things usually go, it's nice for

596
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: once to see a woman who is chasing someone that

597
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: she wants, who gets it, who gets to have this moment,

598
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: even though, like you said, it's unlikely that we're going

599
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: to see that last in any long term way. I

600
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: was happy that Vanera got that moment.

601
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: The same I did, very same. Listen. It is rare

602
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: in this world when we see characters have moments of actual, sincere,

603
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: honest connection and happiness. And let's take a bovid to

604
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: celebrate those things when they got like Visaras and Damon

605
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: having that wonderful joke in that God's would like Rania

606
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: here in Kristen call Uh. Later, sometime near dawn, Otto

607
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: gets a message clearly from this boy coming through various channels,

608
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: and it's delivered to him, and we hear the person

609
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: who deliver it say this is from the White Worm,

610
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: which book readers will know what that means, but let's

611
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: we can kind of dance around what that actually means

612
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: for for people who don't know. Damon then wakes up

613
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: in some shitty rooming house with Massaria. Massari is uh,

614
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: and Damon is extremely dismissive, dismissive of her. You know,

615
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: you got me really believe it.

616
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: You think there's so much history in what has happened

617
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: in these moments from the last time we saw them.

618
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Damon, we get the We get the sense

619
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: very clearly that he plucked her from some terrible life

620
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: as a sex worker, and he still clearly sees her

621
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: in that context. But she says, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no,

622
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a simple courtier, some simple brothel worker anymore.

623
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm much more than that. I'm doing things that you

624
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: don't even understand. And then a boy enters the room

625
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: suddenly and then leaves, and then all of this completely over.

626
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: Damon's had Damon does not, It's still drunk, obviously from

627
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: the night before, and very tired, does not even deemed

628
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: to explore whatever it is that Missaria is talking so

629
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: provocatively about. But we should add here, let's stop here.

630
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: Boy enters the room. We saw a boy spying upon

631
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: Rania and Damon and the brothel. Massari is from Lease,

632
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: the same city that later on when we meet Varus,

633
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: we learned that Varius, master of Whispers, is from Varus.

634
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: Had it he do his business right? He had a

635
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: network of children that he called his little birds that

636
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: spied for him, little sparrows. Uh. And one has to wonder,

637
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: is this Massaria, who is who is running this this

638
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: kid as perhaps a network of spies? And if so,

639
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: what's her angle? What's her angle in informing to Otto

640
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: if that is indeed.

641
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, if she is the white Worm

642
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: in the show, this is this is very interesting because

643
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: what we've learned about these kind of spy masters or

644
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: masters of whispers in the past is like they usually

645
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: have a loyalty, whether it's to the crown or the kingdom.

646
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: What is her loyalty? What? Because if if she is

647
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: the white Worm, she just she just used her buds

648
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: to potentially destroy Damon. So is it revenge? She doesn't.

649
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: She doesn't have qualms about that personal connection.

650
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: I mightfully so, because he's the way he's again, Damon

651
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: does not think about other people and what they need

652
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: and want. Recall On Dragonstone, he had ginned up this

653
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: entire story about how you were going to get married

654
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: and have a kid and needed to steal this egg

655
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: because of the child that they were going to have

656
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: and all of that. When it, you know, was revealed

657
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: in that confrontation was absolutely news to Missario. She was like, what,

658
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: You'd never heard anything about this, And I think it's

659
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: very interesting the way she says, Oh, I've been protecting

660
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: you again, Damon. Yeah, so what does it?

661
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: I mean?

662
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: It will be It will be very I have no

663
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: idea what she means by that, and then it will

664
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: be fascinating to know what it is she thinks that

665
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: she's doing, what her plan is, how she sees herself

666
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: as protecting Damon, because I have no doubt that she

667
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: sincerely feels like she's keeping Damon, like from from a

668
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: lot of trouble, so at the same time clearly getting

669
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: him into trouble.

670
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: Slone.

671
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, what that means we don't know, but it will

672
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: be very, very interesting to find out.

673
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: It's really cool as well, because I think it plays

674
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: into one of Game of Thrones greatest strengths that we

675
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 3: haven't gotten the chance to see much of in House

676
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 3: the Dragons so far. How's dregs very much like a

677
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: chamber drama. It's a family story about a large but

678
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 3: limited cast. There is not the hopping all around seeing

679
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: the difference of the kingdom very different families. It's very contained.

680
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: But as we know, like you mentioned you know Varus,

681
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: some of the best characters in Game of Thrones are

682
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 3: the people who have to live and survive these monarchs,

683
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: who have to live and work underneath them or around them,

684
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: whether it's strange religious cults or men with flaming swords

685
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 3: or knights of you know, the wall. And I love

686
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: that this hints at that wider world of the working

687
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 3: people who because we master of whispers, Mistress of whispers, potentially,

688
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: like that's such a huge pot of the power and

689
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: the power struggle in Game of Thrones.

690
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: So, and to your point, in this world where you

691
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: were born into this life of immense privilege and power,

692
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: the people who manage to get into that world through

693
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: the sweat of their own brows, through their own work,

694
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: it it is fascinating to know their life and they

695
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: always have a very accurate understanding of how this world works,

696
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: and often a much more accurate and wide ranging understanding

697
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: even so than the people who are living the life

698
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: the noble people who are in that world. So can't

699
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: wait to find out more about what Massaria is about.

700
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: Uh Otto, with extreme hesitance, one must say, delivers the

701
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: news to the king.

702
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 4: The princess was spired last evening beyond the walls of

703
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 4: the keep in a pleasure house. She was carrying on

704
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: with her uncle. They were engaged in behavior's unbecoming of

705
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: a maiden of a princess.

706
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: And the King's like, what like what.

707
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: She was a pleasure.

708
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: And Ido is like, do I have to draw you

709
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: a picture? And basically yes, the king says, and so

710
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: eventually Otto comes forth with it. What were they doing?

711
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: And Atto says, the princess.

712
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: And Diamon were in the bowels of a pleasure house.

713
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: Copy it.

714
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: In that wonderful recypheds very throaty, clipped accent, incredible, and

715
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: Vissarah's flips out. It has Otto finally pushed it too far,

716
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: and ironically pushed it too far by telling the truth.

717
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, telling the truth, but also it's like the self

718
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: serving truth. The problem with Otto is this move makes

719
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: his agenda too clear.

720
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: It could be crystal clear.

721
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 3: Visara's makes a really good point. He's like, who fucking

722
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: cares if she's in a pleasure house. You know, there's

723
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: there's a version where you could deliver this news where

724
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 3: you say princess was in a pleasure house, somebody saw

725
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: her look like her and Samon, we're a bit too close.

726
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: Maybe have a word with her. Try you underplay it.

727
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: The king men are allowed to do this stuff. Targarians

728
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: have long been incestuous, but he presents it in this

729
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: unbelievable scene between Ifans and Constantine where it's so on

730
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: now and like you said, Vassiri's just does not want

731
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 3: to hear it, and it makes it this huge moment

732
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: and also doesn't realize until later. But but this is

733
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: a it feels like a coin flip moment. It feels

734
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: like something has changed. He should have been more hesitant

735
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 3: aka not told him yet and played his hand a

736
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: little bit and.

737
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: See yes, see what see what? How this develops Visceras

738
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: again loses it. He accuses Otto of trying to destroy Raniera, says,

739
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: You've been trying to do this for years?

740
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 3: Why you send his eyes off to my door?

741
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? How how hard? How for how many years do

742
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: you have to try and destroy my blood so then

743
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: you can place your blood on the throat. I see

744
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: what you're doing, And so Otto chased stalks off. Things

745
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: between Cole and Raniera are a little awkward. In the

746
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: light of day, Coal clearly feeling the danger of the

747
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: situation that he is now in, while is still flushed

748
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: with the excitement of what has happened. He brings a

749
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: summons from Queen Allison that's like, uh oh, time Alison

750
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: and Raniera meeting the Godswood. Alison is like are you

751
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: gonna tell me what happened? Because she had overheard this

752
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: conversation between King Vssaras and her father Otto.

753
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: And potentially because she also somehow knows about some secret passages.

754
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: I know she's just behind why Damon was behind when

755
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: he was listening. So I'm behind a scrim there, she's

756
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: behind a scrim. Boh, yeah, you never know. She's finding

757
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,479
Speaker 3: it easy to be in the room where she needs

758
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: to be.

759
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: Yes. So Raniera Allison is like, so, I don't know.

760
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: I heard that you were in a brothel with Damon,

761
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: a pleasure house with Damon fucking And Ranera's like, no, no, no, no, uh,

762
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, And she also says, you know,

763
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm the princess to question my virtue as an active treason,

764
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of throwing down that countlet for the first time.

765
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: Allison tells Raniera that well, Otto reported it to your dad,

766
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: the king, and then Raniera comes clese. She says, okay, yet, listen,

767
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: we slipped out. I did sneak out of the castle.

768
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: We went lots of places, we saw some street theater,

769
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: I got drunk. We did end up in a brothel

770
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: just for research purposes. But like nothing happened, and Damon

771
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: ended up in the arms of some whore. I don't

772
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: know what happened, but like, we didn't do that. Allison

773
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: is absolutely fed up. She sees this as a kind

774
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: of betrayal. And also, remember Allison is and feels rightly

775
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: trapped by the life that she is leading. And here

776
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: is her friend Raniera, who's all the time complaining about

777
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: the things that she has to put up with and

778
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: the life that she has to lead, and oh, they're

779
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: gonna make me marry somebody and just have children, and

780
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: what a terrible.

781
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 2: Life that is.

782
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, what is she actually doing running around having sex,

783
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: potentially running off to play your house, is doing whatever

784
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: she wants while trying to put forward this image of

785
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: the honorable, rightful Princess Ranier, the Realm's delight, who is

786
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: trapped in this terrible thing. Allison doesn't want to hear

787
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: this shit anymore.

788
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: I will also say this, just we've talked a lot

789
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 3: about this when we've touched on it, about how they're

790
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 3: doing such brilliant work here with Allison's characterization. I mean,

791
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 3: I love this scene so much because Alison is rightfully pissed,

792
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: but really Allison is fucking terrified for her friend. She's like,

793
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 3: are you mad? Your uncle is a fucking tyrant and

794
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: not just that, but like you're gonna ruin your life,

795
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: You're gonna ruin my life. It's gonna this is just

796
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: a terrible choice. Like she comes to her as a friend. Yes,

797
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: she betrays the trust of her dad and her king,

798
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 3: her husband, who she overhears, and she's still even though

799
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: she's pissed, she comes to Ranier and gives her a

800
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: chance to be like, you are gonna be in trouble

801
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: about this. This is something you need to sort the

802
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: fuck out. And like am also like Vanera promises that

803
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: nothing happened like on her mother's dead body, so she

804
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: is ready to play the game. I think this is

805
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: the moment where she understands what the game is, you know,

806
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: the Game of Thrones. But Alison still the the MVP.

807
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: In my opinion, she did she do this and she

808
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: went and she did this because she cares about Ranera.

809
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: It would be it is just extremely sad that Raniera

810
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: cannot see how much support her friend is giving her

811
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: under impossible circumstances, like and it's it's it is said

812
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: Damon comes staggering into the room. He is immediately seized

813
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: by Sir Harold Westerling and the King's guard and he

814
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: is dragged before the king. The throne room is cleared.

815
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: Not a good sign.

816
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that never happens. There's literally always

817
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 3: an audience of people hungry for Damon's drama in that room.

818
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: So you know he's in that.

819
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: You know the King's guard is there between Damon and

820
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: the king. The King is on the throne with his

821
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: crown and he is grasping blackfire, the sort of kings

822
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: and the Visius lays into Damon. He puts the cat'spaw

823
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: into Damon's throat, asks if it's true about him and Raniera. Uh,

824
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: and David says, better she experienced being with me than

825
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: some horror. Again, this is this is Damon's endgame. He

826
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: is okay, this is what he wanted to happen. Let's

827
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: face it, this is what he wanted to happen. The

828
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: King is angry about you know, everything, everything, including what

829
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: this would mean for any future marriage deal with whoever.

830
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: He would wed to the air, to the iron throne.

831
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: Damon's like, who the fuck cares you tell him? You

832
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: and she can tell everyone whatever you want because that's

833
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: how it works. And and maybe he he's not wrong

834
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: about that, but at the same time, it is at

835
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: least somewhat refreshing that King Visas has a more grounded

836
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: and humble, humble view of how to wield power in

837
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: West Rus, even if what Damon is saying is not

838
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: necessarily untrue. Damon then offers Tamara Raniera, despite the fact

839
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: that he's currently married, and then you know Targerians do this,

840
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: he says, But like, also, what this is.

841
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: The moment where it's like, was this the end game

842
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: all along? Was this even if Vanera had turned you down?

843
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: Would you have spread the rumor that you were in

844
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 3: the brothel team? So I think so too, because and

845
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 3: if not, it's just as much of a Damon moment

846
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: because when he's on that floor and he realizes what

847
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 3: Vissias's biggest fear is, he suddenly thinks, oh, I can

848
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 3: make this work to my advantage.

849
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: Now, Visas then accuses Damon of angling for the throne

850
00:51:53,600 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: with this particular proposal or vanishes. Damon that said, I

851
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily unfair reading because clearly like

852
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: he would be king consort in this in this reading

853
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: of a potential future right, and certainly many people in

854
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: the realm would also see him as the legitimate ruler

855
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: over Rania should they be wed at the same time,

856
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't think my personal read on it is is

857
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: that Damon does not want to be king. He doesn't

858
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: care about being king consort. What he wants is to

859
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: be married to Raniera. One because I think he actually

860
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: has feelings for her, and two because if that happens,

861
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: King Vessara's his brother could never get rid of him,

862
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: could never, could never banish him, not the throne.

863
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 3: It's it's like, it's about being by his brother's side,

864
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: having power, having beverage, having something to cement his place

865
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: in the core. Even if he doesn't actually care about

866
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: sitting on the iron.

867
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: He wants to be around his family, specifically and uniquely

868
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: his brother, but also and he wants them to pay

869
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: attention to him, and he wants to be his jokeerrific

870
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: troll self all the time without the ability of King

871
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: Vissara's ever to banish him from his sight. That's what Damon,

872
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: I think wants. Later, Allison again showing this incredible generosity

873
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: and the strength of her friendship and feeling that is

874
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: probably something a little bit more, something unrequited. I think

875
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: that she feels for Raniera defends her friend and says,

876
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: come on, husband, you know, Damon is a liar. He

877
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: loves fucking with you, he loves getting a rise out

878
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: of you. This is just what he's doing now, you know.

879
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: This is all Damon's fault. I believe that Raniera is

880
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: still a maiden. That's you know. Just talk to her

881
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: and work this out. But I believe her. I believe

882
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: that she is telling the truth. And of course she

883
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: doesn't know that Princess Varnier had sex with Christian Cole

884
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: the night that everybody thinks that she had sex with Damon,

885
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: Raniera is escorted by Cole and another guardsman to her

886
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: father's chambers. The Cat's baw Valerian blade is laying in

887
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: a brazier. It's heating up, and King Vassara's then tells

888
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: her the story of the blade, which is actual, incredible,

889
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: new legend, massive stuff.

890
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 3: It's so clever because it answers a huge question that

891
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: this show posed. It also introduces a massive piece of law.

892
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: But because of Millie Alcock and Patty Constantine. It feels

893
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 3: just like a very natural moment in this unbelievable father

894
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: daughter kind of chaos that they're they're trapped in, and

895
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 3: this scene is so good.

896
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh so, he says before he Gone's death,

897
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: the last of the Valerian pyromancers hid his song in

898
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: this steal, and Visara's pulls the blade out shows Bernier

899
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: the writing now visible on the red hot played. He

900
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 1: says it, and he reads it, from my blood comes

901
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: the prince that was promised, and his song will be

902
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: the song of ice and fire. I want to shout

903
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: out quickly, yes, listener Nathan and also listener Heidi, who

904
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: called this in emails and Discord and Discord missives respectively.

905
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: This we wanted to know, like how it was possible

906
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: that this prophecy you's been passed down from unbroken, from

907
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: ruler to air right, it must have been written down somewhere,

908
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: and here it is we get that confirmation. So cool.

909
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: It's also cool to note, as Nathan did in his email,

910
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: that back in Game of Thrones, when Sam is at

911
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: the citadel reading up on the Long Night, he's reading

912
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: a book about you know what happened in the endless

913
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: winter and he opens the page and what is there

914
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: but a drawing of that very dagger, which is super

915
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: super super cool. And of course we've always wondered, like

916
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: how it was that A much later Ragar Targarian came

917
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: to believe himself to be the prince that was promised,

918
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: like where did he get that idea? And here we

919
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: understand how it happened. It's all comes from Agon, it

920
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: all comes from this prophecy he had. This is super

921
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: cool stuff. Visaras then tells Riniera, listen, your responsibility to

922
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: this house, and not just to this house but to

923
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: the world, is to carry this dream forward so that

924
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: the apocalypse can be averted whenever this confrontation between good

925
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: and evil comes. You need to be serious about the

926
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: family's mission, and you need to be serious about your

927
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: place in this coming conflict. And the king says, now, listen,

928
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: you're right. If you were a man, you could do

929
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: anything you wanted. I agree with that, that's true. But

930
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: you were born a woman, so we need to apple

931
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: with that reality, and you need to take your responsibilities seriously.

932
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,479
Speaker 1: The king then says that you will marry sir Leine

933
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: or Valarion, and you will do so without any protest,

934
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: and you will unite the two most powerful houses of

935
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: Valerian blood in the realm. Rina says, okay, but I

936
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: have leverage too, and and I have some things that

937
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: I want to throw into this deal. What about Otto?

938
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: She calls him the vulture who purchase on your throne.

939
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: And it's perfect timing to raise this, honestly, because King

940
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: Vessara's had already had his you know, doubts about Otto,

941
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: and had this blow up earlier in the episode, and

942
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: had been going outside, you know, talking to to to

943
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: Lionel Strong secretly when he did, asking for advice that

944
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: normally he would seek out from Auto. So this has

945
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: been stirring, and she notes that, hey, hold on, Otto

946
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: is spying on me. What the fuck is this? Why

947
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: is Auto sending spies to follow me? He is working

948
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: at every turn to put his grandson, your son a

949
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: gun on the throne. And so they make a deal.

950
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: Raniera will absolutely red Lenor and Viceras will fire Auto,

951
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: which he does. He does it kind of graciously, says,

952
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: you're the man who taught me to be king, but

953
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: you gotta go. Atto is shocked. Visus accuses Otto of

954
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: being overly ambitious, which is true, of angling for the throne,

955
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 1: which is true, of placing Allison in his path during

956
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: his time of weakness, which is absolutely true. You are

957
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: a faithful servant, he says, the crown of the realm. Oh,

958
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: you a debt that cannot be repaid, But I can

959
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: no longer trust your judgment. And he takes the hand

960
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: of the hand of the Kingpin from Auto's chest, and

961
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: then we go to Raniera's chambers where Grandmaster Melos comes

962
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: with a tray of plan t moon tea very progressive guy,

963
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: very progressive guy, and a sad statement about the freedoms

964
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: enjoyed it gigs landing at Westros that are not enjoyed

965
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: in many parts of our real, very real world. What

966
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: an amazing episode. An amazing episode, so good.

967
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: I love that. The scene between Ranera and Visa's where

968
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 3: they're negotiating about the marriage was so good. I was

969
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: just like, Oh, this can't be topped. And then Reese

970
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 3: and Paddy in that scene, the pure energy and love

971
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 3: and anger and decades of friendship and like the sly

972
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: kind of insinuations by Visira's that Otto might have like

973
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: murdered or planned to murder other rulers or other hands,

974
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 3: and there's just so much to it, and I just, yeah,

975
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 3: this is this is up there with my favorite episodes

976
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: of the whole Game of Phone series because it's just

977
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: so good. And I love the Allison Ranera relationships so much,

978
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: and I love that the you know, the creators and

979
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: the and the cast, the especially I think it was

980
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 3: A and Emma who play the older girls from episode six.

981
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: They talked about how the sapphic vibes were like intentional,

982
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: and I mean when you're a when you're young and

983
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 3: you have a close friendship, those lines can be blood.

984
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 3: And also, this is a world, as we saw today,

985
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: we're in certain parts of even kings Landing. We've seen

986
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 3: it in Dawn and the way that the equality and

987
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: sex is treated differently there, But in parts of kings

988
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 3: Landing there are people just fucking There are pleasures that

989
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 3: people take, there is a there is a lack of

990
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 3: boundaries around it. So it's very interesting to see that

991
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: and to see the kind of that rekindling of it

992
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 3: today between a Listen and Rinera when they kind of

993
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: grasp hands and they and they realize that they're this

994
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: kind of rock in this horrible ocean.

995
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: Agreed. It makes what's what we all expect to becoming,

996
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: which is this, this conflict between these two former friends

997
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: still friends at at this moment anyway, even more tragic

998
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: because it wasn't because of anything that they really did.

999
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: It is this world that is tearing them apart. It

1000
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: is the baggage placed on them by their parents. It

1001
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: is the expectations put on them by this world for

1002
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: the responsibilities they bear that have no connection with the

1003
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: wants and dreams and desires and fears that they personally have.

1004
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: They just can't. There's almost no possible world in which

1005
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: they could bridge the divide that is yawning between them

1006
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: and getting bigger and bigger and bigger every day. And

1007
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: it's really really sad. It's really sad, like they should

1008
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: be great friends, wonderful friends. They can't be.

1009
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do such a brilliant job, like Emily Carrey

1010
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: and Millie Alcock, they're just so there's so much complexity

1011
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 3: and depth and history between them just in these kind

1012
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 3: of four four episodes that we've seen, and it's, yeah,

1013
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 3: it's really heartbreaking because we can assume, you know, we

1014
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 3: know what the show is about we know where this

1015
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 3: journey is going, but they play it so well that

1016
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: it's kind of like I always think about this one

1017
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: I watched, like bas Lamon's Romeo and Juliet. There's always

1018
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 3: a moment just before Juliet wakes up, yeah, where I

1019
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 3: always have that split second of like, oh, maybe she'll

1020
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 3: wake up in time this time, And this has that

1021
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 3: similar feeling where it's like I know where it's going

1022
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 3: to go, but they sell it so well that I'm like,

1023
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: maybe George has a secret in Stall. Maybe they're going

1024
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 3: to twist something and do something and we're not expecting

1025
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 3: because there is so much there and it's going to

1026
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: be just heartbreaking to see that deteriorate as the show

1027
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 3: goes on.

1028
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: Somebody posted on Twitter, and I'm sorry for not remembering

1029
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: who did this, but it something to the extent of

1030
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: like I know that I'm into House of the Dragon

1031
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: because I'm so annoyed at the decisions everyone is making,

1032
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of like that, like I just

1033
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: sit there going, God, if they only did this, if

1034
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: this person only did this, if King Vassara's only like

1035
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: not just named Raniera Era but then actually did the

1036
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: work all the time to shore up support for her

1037
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: and increase support for her in the world, Like there's

1038
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: so many things like listen, I believe in the freedom

1039
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: of expression, the First Amendment and the importance of artists

1040
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: being able to express themselves. At the same time, like

1041
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: you feel like it's a wasted opportunity for the for

1042
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: the Crown not to have like a state sponsored theater

1043
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: group that like puts on the stories that support what

1044
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: they're trying to do. Like why isn't there a pro

1045
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: Raniera stage group out there, like running running plays about how,

1046
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: oh it's great, isn't it great that the realms the

1047
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: light is going to be our queen lay?

1048
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And you do think, why isn't a thing?

1049
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 3: It's actually really interesting to look at how much that

1050
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: has changed by the time we get to Game of Thrones,

1051
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 3: because then there is far more understanding of how to

1052
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 3: play the people in your face. But it doesn't seem

1053
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 3: like we are there yet because it would be so easy.

1054
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: They already yeah, they might not fully support Raniera's air

1055
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 3: and they kind of find her to be an easy target,

1056
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 3: but no one in those plays was saying anything damning.

1057
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,479
Speaker 3: They still see her as someone that they could grow

1058
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 3: to like you know what they do, like they have

1059
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 3: a fondness for her. So yeah, it's it's very interesting.

1060
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 3: But I do also think that speaks like Paddy is

1061
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 3: so great and this story they've given the series is

1062
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 3: so great, but it does speak to something that I

1063
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 3: did feel like was clearer in the first two episodes

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Speaker 3: that I think is still an underlying issue for him,

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Speaker 3: which is he is quite he can't help but sort

1066
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 3: of take his status for granted. He doesn't understand how

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01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 3: he sees the bigger picture, the prophecy. That he is

1068
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 3: not constantly striving for the Targarians to stay in power

1069
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 3: because he doesn't think they need to. Yeah, and that

1070
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Speaker 3: I think is the thing that as we watch the

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Speaker 3: downfall of the family is going to come to buy him,

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Speaker 3: because there is an aggressiveness and a constant struggle that

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01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 3: you need to be in to stay in power and

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Speaker 3: to protect your family.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he says, you know in the in the

1076
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: opening episode, you know we never dragons never should have existed,

1077
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: they never should have happened, and yet that is the

1078
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: basis of their power. So he's getting You're absolutely right.

1079
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: He has this honestly pretty natural like natural fear and

1080
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: revulsion of the very thing that has placed his family

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Speaker 1: in the position that they are in, and that they

1082
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: need to carry forward the mission that he so desperately

1083
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: wants to know to carry forward. So the show's good.

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Speaker 1: The show continues to be good. Up next, more House

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Speaker 1: of the Dragon in Ask the Master, Dragons have arrived

1086
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: on HBO Max. Folks, did you know the new original

1087
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: series House of the Dragon as a prequel set two

1088
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: hundred years before the events of Game of Thrones? Did

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01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: you know that House of the Dragon tells the story

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Speaker 1: of House Targarian, locked in an epic battle for the

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Speaker 1: Iron Throne and power over the Seven Kingdoms. The epic series,

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Speaker 1: now in its fourth episode, promises more drama and betrayal

1093
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: than ever. Listen to the official Game of Thrones podcast

1094
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: House of the Dragon on HBO Max, the iHeartRadio app

1095
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts, and to celebrate, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna answer your questions. We're returning to the Citadel. Here

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Speaker 1: we go, Ask the Master. Starting out, first.

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Speaker 3: Question comes from Kellen. Where did Jason and the Lanisters

1099
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 3: fit in the grand scheme of the realm? Are Carllis

1100
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 3: in the High Towers richer and more powerful than them.

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Speaker 1: This is a good question, I think. First of all,

1102
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: we should say that House Valarian currently is the richest

1103
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: house in the realm, and that is due to a

1104
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: variety of factors, mainly Lord Corliss's nine incredible sea voyages,

1105
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: from which he returned with all manner of rare items

1106
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: that he then sold at tremendous profit. There's also the

1107
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: fact that you know, there's like some exigent circumstances. Also,

1108
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: like Houseflarian also makes a nice penny on taxing narrow

1109
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: sea trade. And also in the Jeharis years, Lord Edwell

1110
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: Seltigar who is the Master of coin during that time

1111
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: and is known as one of the worst, if not

1112
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: the worst master of coin in the history of the realm.

1113
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: This is during the regency of King Jaharis. He hiked

1114
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: taxes at the Realm's biggest ports landis Port kings Landing

1115
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: Old Town, and that led to a windfall for drift

1116
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: Mark and other ports. So this has been building for

1117
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: a while. It's side note King Ja Harris, as soon

1118
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: as he came into his power, fired Lord Edwell and

1119
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: undid all of his tax acts. Anyways, it is absolutely

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Speaker 1: conceivable that the High Towers as of right now are

1121
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: richer than the Lanisters. Again, we don't know. The High

1122
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: Towers are an ancient house descended from the blood of

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Speaker 1: the first men. Old Town, the city they rule, is

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01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: a massive economic power. It is the richest city in

1125
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: the realm itself because of all the economic activity that

1126
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: goes on there, of which certainly House High Tower gets

1127
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: a piece because of the taxes that they would levy there.

1128
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Speaker 1: In Feast for Crows, Obari Sand says that you know,

1129
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: she's trying to convince Prince Duran to let her attack

1130
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: Old Town and he's like, what do you It's like,

1131
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: how are you gonna hold it? You know, what does

1132
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: it matter if you attack it? You can't hold it.

1133
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: And she's like, it doesn't matter because the wealth there.

1134
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: Just to sack it would be enough, because there's so

1135
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: much money there because of the trades people who had

1136
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,839
Speaker 1: habit Old Town and all the ships coming in out Etca.

1137
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: Sam will Tarley's father Randall Tarley, told Sam as he

1138
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: recounts also in Feast for Crows, that the High Towers

1139
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: were as rich as the Lanisters, with the ability to

1140
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: feeld a massive army, the largest by far of any

1141
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: of the houses sworn to the Gardeners of the Reach,

1142
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: and they're strong at sea, you know, though it's likely

1143
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: that the Arbor's fleet is larger than the old town fleet.

1144
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: And the high Towers are also very very careful. The

1145
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: Lanisters tell everybody how rich they are time, all the time.

1146
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: It's it's it's their branding right. They wear the gold

1147
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: on their cloaks and there you know their words. Their

1148
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: unofficial motto is just about money and debts and like

1149
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: everything is gold and lion based, and they love to

1150
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: tell people that they're rich. The High Towers don't do that.

1151
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: They move very quietly. They prefer often to wield their

1152
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:27,879
Speaker 1: power economically and politically rather than to field this enormous

1153
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: military that they could call on if they needed to.

1154
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: And part of their staying power has been over the

1155
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: years that they make the smart, cost effective decision at

1156
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: the at the pivotal moment, they probably could have been

1157
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: the high Kings of the Reach if they wanted to,

1158
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,839
Speaker 1: if they wanted to be. Instead, they pledge their banners

1159
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: to the Gardeners through marriage, so like not by being

1160
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: conquered by the gardeners, by by basically like brokering a

1161
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: favorable deal for themselves and then left all the headache

1162
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: of managing the Reach to the Gardeners when the and

1163
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: Alls invaded, rather than go to war, they cut favorable

1164
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,560
Speaker 1: deals with the invaders on terms that were very beneficial

1165
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: to House High Tower. When the Gardeners marched to war

1166
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: against Dagon the Conquer alongside the Lanisters at the head

1167
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: of the largest army ever assembled in Westros, did the

1168
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: High Towers answer the call? No, absolutely not. They did

1169
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: the math they saw, Okay, fifty five thousand soldiers of

1170
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: the Reach and the Westerlands again, the greatest army ever

1171
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: fielded in West Ros versus three dragons. Yeah, I think

1172
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: this is a loss. We're not going. House Gardner gets

1173
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: wiped out, goes extinct, and Lord Manfred High Tower, Benzanita

1174
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: Eggon and House High Tower rolls almost unscathed into the

1175
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 1: Targarian era. And does you know, in a way that

1176
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: actually gives them a better position going into this new era.

1177
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: As patrons of the Masters of the Citadel, they wheeled

1178
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: tremendous influence all across the realm. And then, of course,

1179
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: because the star recept is in Old Town, that gives

1180
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: them a lot of influence as well, and that is

1181
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: where Agon was an anointed and crowned king. So just

1182
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: incredible gamesmanship and game playing by House High Tower. And

1183
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: of course in terms of passive income, nothing really beats

1184
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: the Lanisters who live in a gold mine, live in

1185
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: a gigantic gold mine, like a four hundred foot tall

1186
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: gold mine, and the Westerlands in general or laden with

1187
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 1: mines and deep veins of gold and silver. The abundance

1188
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: of gold controlled by the Lanisters is famed all throughout

1189
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: the world. In the World of Ice and Fire, it's

1190
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: mentioned that Lomas Longstrider, who's this like famous travel diarist,

1191
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: traveled to a shy where he heard that, you know,

1192
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 1: merchants there asking if it was true that there was

1193
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: a lion lord who lived in a castle made of gold.

1194
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: So these stories travel and or also the Lanister's control Lanisport,

1195
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: which is a thriving port. Now, if there was a

1196
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: moment where we could say for sure that the Lanisters

1197
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: probably passed House High Tower, indeed the Valerians to become

1198
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: the richest in the realm, it was probably during the

1199
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: reign of Lord Gerald. The Goldens is Taiwan Lanister's grandfather

1200
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: Under his wise management, trade flourished, coffers overflowed, and though

1201
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: his son Taiwan's dad Titos, was dangerously weak and lent

1202
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and because he was weak, people

1203
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: didn't pay it back. His son Taiwan, when he came

1204
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:56,440
Speaker 1: into power, quickly reversed all of castorly Rock's kind of fortunes.

1205
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: He called in outstanding debts, took hostages to enforce payment,

1206
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: and under Tywin's extremely hard leadership, the houses Tarbeck and

1207
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: more famously Reins were totally wiped out, which just from

1208
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,839
Speaker 1: the loot alone probably added a lot to the Lanester treasury.

1209
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: So we should assume again that by that time, so

1210
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: again you know, seventy years fifty years ish before, before

1211
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: the events of Game of Thrones, we should assume that

1212
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: castor Lock then vaults to the top spot in terms

1213
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: of wealth. But let's remember a couple of important things.

1214
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 1: One by Game of Thrones, right, I forget what season,

1215
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: but Taiwan has that you know, heart to heart talk

1216
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: with Circe where he admits that the mines had gone

1217
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: dry like three years earlier. Now what does that mean?

1218
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: Does that mean there's no gold? Probably not what it

1219
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: probably means is one House Lanister is not as rich

1220
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: as everybody thinks. And two, you know, they bank rolled

1221
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: Robert's rebell and then when Robert became king, he was

1222
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: just an un irresponsible spender who didn't know anything about

1223
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: economic restraint, and of course a little finger as master

1224
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: of coin like helped him spend money he didn't have.

1225
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: And who bankrolled all of this, who gave loans to

1226
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: the crown that were never going to be paid back,

1227
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: It was House Lanister, So that was probably pretty destructive

1228
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: to their finances, and of course they covered it up

1229
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: pretty well, which leads me to the second thing. As

1230
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: we mentioned, House Lanister loves telling you burry how rich

1231
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: they are. Are they as rich as they say? Are

1232
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: they just fronting? Are they just putting on you know,

1233
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: it's it's unclear, but we should assume that certainly by

1234
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: the by the time Taiwan Lanister becomes you know, Lord

1235
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 1: of Cassier Lockborton of the West, that the Lanisters are

1236
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: the richest in the realm. But it is it is

1237
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: fair to assume that the that the high towers are

1238
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: right there at this particular time.

1239
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Jay asks, is there anything in Tagarian history, that

1240
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 3: would indicate an immunity to grayscale, because Damon did not

1241
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 3: seem overly concerned.

1242
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: That's right. That was confirmed that the that the crab

1243
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: feed has grayscale, and of course Damon chopped him in

1244
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 1: half and was carrying his body around.

1245
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 3: No.

1246
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: On the contrary, we talked about the wars between Old

1247
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: Valeria and the Royinar. When we talked about Nimeria and

1248
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: the Royinar were people that lived along the banks of

1249
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:39,480
Speaker 1: the Royinar River who were kind of like water sorcerers,

1250
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: could control water magic, had this really highly advanced society,

1251
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: and they came into conflict with Old Valeria, who eventually

1252
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: wiped them out after sending hundreds of dragons after their

1253
01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: last city, now as a doomsday weapon of sorts, the

1254
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: the Roinar, in their last moments like that, cast some

1255
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: kind of spell that caused the river to flood, and

1256
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter a kind of vile fog rolled in, and

1257
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: everybody in that fog. Many in that fog. We don't

1258
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: know that the actual numbers, but the people in that

1259
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: fog Valarians then fell ill with grayscale. So we know

1260
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: that Valarians could get gray scale and were indeed vulnerable

1261
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: to it because of this event, and so we should

1262
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: assume that targerians can catch gray scale as well. Why

1263
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:44,520
Speaker 1: did Damon do this? Probably because he doesn't understand infectious

1264
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: disease and was just being irresponsible and was all caught

1265
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: up in the moment. My sense though, is that Damon

1266
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 1: is going to be fine.

1267
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely seems like that was a cured or

1268
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 3: right transmissible at currently. But that's just the theory we

1269
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 3: could see.

1270
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: We could see, well, whatever the case, he shouldn't have

1271
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: touched it.

1272
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Speaker 3: He shouldn't have touched it.

1273
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: But I guess I would write I would heavily doubt

1274
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: that Damon gets grayscale, but you never know.

1275
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 3: You never know. Okay, this is good. This touches on

1276
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 3: one of our moments. So we're talking about Ryan and

1277
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 3: David ask was that supposed to be bloody Ben Blackwood

1278
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 3: that killed the Bracken kid or his dad?

1279
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: That's great. So the books mentioned that there is there

1280
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: was a Samuel Blackwood who fought an Amos Bracken over

1281
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: the hand of Raniera Targarian when she was doing these

1282
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: kind of like marriage tours around and this was in

1283
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: the Riverlands. Sam would later become Lord Blackwood, and his

1284
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: son was Ben Benjacott aka Bloody Ben, who would go

1285
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: on to have a a little written about but very

1286
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: very interesting career that we shouldn't mention because it's probably spoilers. Now.

1287
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: IMDb has our Belligerence in this episode listed as Willem

1288
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: Blackwood and Gerald Bracken, so two names that do not

1289
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: appear in the books. So it would appear that that

1290
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: is no relation, or at least no direct relation to

1291
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: Bloody Ben Blackwood. That said, you could see a world

1292
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: in which in which this comes into play. If we

1293
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: should meet Bloody Ben Blackwood, this particular event becomes part

1294
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: of the ongoing feud between those two houses. We should

1295
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: also say also the story about Samuel and Amos, their

1296
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: feud they're the duel that they fight, which is not

1297
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 1: deadly in the books, appears in the source material for

1298
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: a House of the Dragon, which is history books written

1299
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: by these fictional, unreliwed narrators. So it also might be

1300
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: that whoever wrote these histories just got the names. You're wrong,

1301
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: they got the names wrong. So it's still it is

1302
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: possible that we could have watched a relation, a direct

1303
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 1: relation to Bloody Bend Blackwood, but those characters are not

1304
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 1: the characters that appear in the books.

1305
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 3: Okay, Petula asks, I had always assumed that moon Tea

1306
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,759
Speaker 3: was like Plan B, which is used for contraception, not abortion. However,

1307
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 3: the way it's described in the books and the related

1308
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 3: got wiki entries, it appears to be considered as an

1309
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 3: aborts fashion.

1310
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. The books describe Plan T as as being used

1311
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: for both contraception and abortion, but mostly the latter, mostly

1312
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: for abortion. One example of it being used as a contraceptive,

1313
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: and this is and it's it's kind of implied, but

1314
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: it's not clear, but it seems to me that that's

1315
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: what's being said. Is from FeAs for Crows. Sir Aris

1316
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 1: o'khart of the King's Guard is sent to Dorn as

1317
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 1: Princess Marcella Barrathian's protector. He is swiftly seduced by Princess

1318
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 1: Arian Martell of Dorn, who you know, uses him and

1319
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: manipulates him for her own means. If you haven't read

1320
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: that book, I won't go further, but it's a fun

1321
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: little plotline. And in one of their conversations, you know,

1322
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: he's talking about how, oh my god, I've already broken

1323
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: my vows for you, and she says no because one,

1324
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: you can't marry me, right, I can't marry you because

1325
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm a princess. So that's fine, So you're not going

1326
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: to break that one. And two, I quote drank my

1327
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: moon tea, so I'm not going to get pregnant, is

1328
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: what she's saying. So that would seem to imply to

1329
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: me that she's like drinking this as a contraceptive. But again,

1330
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: it seems mostly that as it's depicted in the books,

1331
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: that it is used as as something to have an abortion.

1332
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: With that said, it's also clear that they're using it

1333
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: for both.

1334
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, something I found really interesting about the use of

1335
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 3: it in this episode as well as like, what does

1336
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 3: it say about Vasius and his belief in Ravenia because

1337
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 3: she said no and he's like, here.

1338
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's also just like a no harm,

1339
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: no foul, right, yeah, say no. But also let's just

1340
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: make sure, let's just make sure.

1341
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 3: Okay, Connor has a has an interesting one here. One

1342
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 3: thing I find myself wondering as we see otto High

1343
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 3: Tower begin to fall from the King's grace is does

1344
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 3: Otto have any holdings bestowed on him by either Visia's

1345
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,560
Speaker 3: or his brother. Since Otto has been the hand of

1346
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 3: the king and presumably lived in the Red Keep for

1347
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 3: so long, does he have his own hold fast to

1348
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 3: return to or any other source of income, or will

1349
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 3: he simply return to Old's town and be the unemployed

1350
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 3: younger brother who has come to crash on the couch

1351
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 3: of his more successful older brother.

1352
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure that. First of all, well, there's no

1353
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: way that Otto would get this job without bringing to

1354
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: it extensive personal connections that would allow him to give

1355
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: the king the best possible advice. And those connections, you know,

1356
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: with the way this feudal society works, economics, finances, and

1357
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: personal relationships are all bound together. Now, we don't know

1358
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: for a fact what Otto has as his own personal income,

1359
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: but we should assume that he's got something of his own,

1360
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 1: certainly nothing on par with you know, what we expect Hobert,

1361
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 1: lord Hobart to have as as Lord of High Tower.

1362
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: But I'm sure that that again, that that the Lord

1363
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,719
Speaker 1: of High Tower, of the Lord of the High Tower

1364
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: would have would provide something for his brother. So his

1365
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: brother is not just like living, you know, on a

1366
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: couch somewhere. And also, you know, I would assume that

1367
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: coming back to old town, you got the hand of

1368
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: the king. Back in town, you'd also want Auto in

1369
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: your court giving you advice, providing the kind of insight

1370
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: that he once provided to the king, with an understanding

1371
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: up close of how you know, royal politics in king's

1372
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: landing works. That would just he would just come home

1373
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: with a rich like you know, treasury of experiences and

1374
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: advice to provide for his brother. But so all of

1375
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 1: which is to say, like, he's fine, he's not broke,

1376
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: but it's it's we shouldn't expect that he would have income,

1377
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: you know, on par with his brother. That said, it's

1378
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: also we should also expect like a good ruler, as

1379
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: many characters in this world often say, a good ruler

1380
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: is open handed with their servants. And I would assume

1381
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: that over the years King Visserras had gifted stuff, you know,

1382
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: maybe not land, but moneys or jewels or whatever to

1383
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: Auto in terms of like rewarding somebody with like actual land.

1384
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: Usually that happens after a battle, Like you're not Viceras

1385
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: would not reach into old town or the reach going

1386
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 1: over the head of the Tyrrells or of his brother,

1387
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: And say, I hear I decree that you have this

1388
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: castle in this land in the reach, and I'm giving

1389
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: it to you. Even though all the lords hold their

1390
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 1: lands and titles from the king. The king provides those things,

1391
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: he can take them back anytime. He wouldn't do that,

1392
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: you know. That would that would be like overstepping and

1393
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: would cause problems. He could if he wanted to, but

1394
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: it would be seen as bad kinging. Usually when a

1395
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: lord or a king is giving their supporters land, it's

1396
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: because they just fought a war against traders or somebody,

1397
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 1: and now there's they've killed a bunch of people, and

1398
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: there's all this land that's now available that they can

1399
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: then give over. But I would heavily doubt that Visas

1400
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: would give tracts of land to Otto, unless it was

1401
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: stuff in the crownlands, like directly around the Red Keep,

1402
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,879
Speaker 1: the region that the Red Keep is the direct capital

1403
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: of which the king could give freely without having to

1404
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: worry about stepping on the toes of any other high lord.

1405
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be very interested to see if that

1406
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 3: did happen, because I feel like the king kind of

1407
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 3: felt like Allison was a love match, and I'm sure

1408
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 3: his happiness made him even more open handed, So I'll

1409
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 3: be very interested to see how that plays out. Mario

1410
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 3: begins with a lovely shout out to you he's a

1411
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 3: big fan, and then asks something that I feel like

1412
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 3: is one of my favorite things to talk about in

1413
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 3: this show. I've always wondered, who are those people who

1414
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 3: watch events in the throne room.

1415
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a great question. So, you know, this

1416
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: is the seat of government, and as we have seen

1417
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 1: in this world, right often words will if there is

1418
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: friction with another house, with a house that maybe the

1419
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: king or a high lord doesn't trust, right, they'll send

1420
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: their kids to ward at a particular castle. You know,

1421
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: we saw this with the Starks and theon gray Joy, right,

1422
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: the grade Joys were defeated in a rebellion, and so

1423
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: you send your kid to Winterfell where technically they're a hostage,

1424
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: but they're treated really well. So some of it is

1425
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: that right wards and people that are sent to kings

1426
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: landing officially to kind of like observe what's going on

1427
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: and be brought up, you know, in the court. And

1428
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: these are often you know, second and third sons and

1429
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: second and third daughters, people that you're hoping will like

1430
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: will have a wedding match to one day, or you're

1431
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 1: hoping will be knighted by the King himself and that

1432
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Other people would be ambassadors. You know

1433
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 1: this again, this is the seat of government. There's a

1434
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: lot of trade going on. You would imagine that there'd

1435
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: be ambassadors from Bravos, from different places, from other noble

1436
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: houses that are just there in order to foster connections

1437
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: with the King and with the King's advisors in order

1438
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 1: to keep money and the economy flowing. And then as

1439
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 1: we saw, there are also people who were just like

1440
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 1: invited to court to stay there as a point of honor,

1441
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to make an alliance. You know,

1442
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: why was Allison there? Right? Allison was there one because

1443
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: Otto wanted her around like as a chess piece, right,

1444
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:39,799
Speaker 1: but also she became close with Princess Vania, was friends

1445
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: with her. These are you know, like the king and

1446
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: various people who live in the castle would be concerned

1447
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: about their kids, their family members meeting other people of

1448
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: similar station and so if it was okay, certain families

1449
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: would as a point of honor, be invited to send

1450
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 1: their kids to live at the castle. So those are

1451
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: all that there's just various. And then there's knights of

1452
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:11,759
Speaker 1: the King's Guard, you know, various fighting people, probably hedge knights,

1453
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: looking for gigs, looking for someone to hire them. But again,

1454
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: this is a place of business, this is the place

1455
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 1: of high government, and so all those kind of business people,

1456
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 1: all those people looking to foster connections throughout the realm

1457
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 1: would just be there.

1458
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've talked quite a lot about like the influence

1459
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 3: of real history like Henry die for example, comes up

1460
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 3: a lot, and that notion of having caught and having

1461
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 3: this huge community that lives within your palace is that

1462
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 3: it's very very real to that kind of time period

1463
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 3: and the way that politics and machinations were done. Okay,

1464
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 3: Camilla is going deep. Hey, you're gonna love this one.

1465
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1466
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 3: Now that we got to see on episode four that

1467
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 3: quite a few things that Mushroom said regarding these specific

1468
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 3: events were in fact true, how much of a reliable

1469
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 3: source do you think the testimony of Mushroom will be,

1470
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 3: after all anything specifically believe he was wrong and right

1471
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 3: about other than what we've already gotten to see.

1472
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: The short answer I think is that Mushroom is mostly wrong,

1473
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:15,719
Speaker 1: but that there is a grain of truth in nearly

1474
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,560
Speaker 1: everything that he has to say. So Mushroom, for those unfamiliar,

1475
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 1: is one of the major sources for the histories of

1476
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: the Dance of Dragons. The Dance of Dragons in book

1477
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: form is written as a fictional history, written from the

1478
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: perspective of various unreliable narrators, of which Mushroom is one. Now,

1479
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: Mushroom had a theoretically, if you believe him, a front

1480
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 1: row seat to a lot of the stuff that happened.

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Speaker 1: He was the court jester starting during the reign of

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Speaker 1: Viseras and going forward for many years. So he was

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Speaker 1: right there when a lot of this stuff was happening

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Speaker 1: in the Red Keep, and you know, important figures, including

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01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 1: Princess Rania and others apparently felt that they could speak

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Speaker 1: freely around Mushroom because they one considered him to be

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01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: dim witted, mentally challenged, and also because this is on

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Speaker 1: top of you know, being a patriarchy, it's also an

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Speaker 1: extremely ableist society, where someone who doesn't look like or

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Speaker 1: have the abilities of quote unquote normal people would be

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01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 1: seen as below everyone's notice. Right, So Mushroom, according to himself,

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Speaker 1: we always have to say that this is according to him,

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01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 1: got a lot of the real scoop about stuff that

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Speaker 1: was really going on, like he was there in the room,

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Speaker 1: he says, when some of the most lurid and lascivious

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Speaker 1: stuff happened. And again often his stories are the most

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Speaker 1: you know, sexually suggestive, the most titillating, the most violent, etc.

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Speaker 1: Showing the worst side of all these people. He talks

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Speaker 1: about Baylor, the blessed Targarian king who is very you know,

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01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: like a very faith obsessed person, ordered that every copy

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Speaker 1: of the testimony of Mushroom. Mushroom's book be burned, but

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01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: of course some got through. Mushroom was again clearly very

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01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: very wrong about a lot. But there's a lot, and

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01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot we can't talk about because of spoilers

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01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: for stuff later on in the series, but we can

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01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: mention some of the things that he wrote about that

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01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: have come to pass. For instance, he said that King

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01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: Vassaras and Allison began their relationship while Queen Emma was alive.

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01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: Clearly he got that completely wrong. That's absolutely false, and

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Speaker 1: even when he's kind of right, he's wrong. For instance,

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Speaker 1: Mushroom writes that Rania was in love with Kristen Cole

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01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 1: like a crush maybe, and love is very strong and

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01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 1: was constantly making advances towards him. Not true, but because

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01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 1: Cole was true to his vows, she couldn't get any traction.

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Speaker 1: He continues that it was Prince Damon who offered to

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Speaker 1: train Rania in the carnal arts, and it says, and

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01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 1: this is from Fire and Blood quote at night he

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01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: would smuggle her from her room, dressed as a page

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01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: boy and take her secretly to the brothels on the

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Speaker 1: Street of Silk, where the princess could observe men and

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01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 1: women in the active life. Okay, kind of right, certainly,

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01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: not multiple times, but like one time, it did happen

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01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: sort of that way. And then Mushroom continues that Cole

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01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: rejected the princess when she tried to put these techniques

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01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: to use, and that again clearly falls So how much

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01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 1: did Mushroom know? I don't know. It seems to me

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Speaker 1: that Mushroom just kind of heard a lot of the

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01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 1: gossip that was around King's Landing at that time, and

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01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: that there is a grain of truth to it, but

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01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: that Mushroom was again mostly and vastly wrong.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Jake asks in two of the four episodes, thus far,

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01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 3: there's been major scoffing at Damon for attempting to quote

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01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 3: unquote remarry. Arguably the biggest shift in the show thus

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01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:20,520
Speaker 3: far has been King Vassia's choosing to remarry Allison, supposedly

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01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 3: for the good of the realm. What and who dictates

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01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 3: who can and cannot remarry, whether it be for an

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01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:30,560
Speaker 3: additional partner like Damon or your partner has passed like Vissarah's.

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01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 3: Where does realmly responsibility come into the equation?

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Speaker 1: Well, the king, it's important number one to remember, even

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01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 1: though again Damon has never spent time with his wife.

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01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:44,759
Speaker 3: Has he even met her?

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01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: We don't know if he's ever met her. The Lady

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01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: re roice that he is married to her. He is

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01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,879
Speaker 1: wedded to her. Now, King Vissarahs could, if he so wished,

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01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: put that marriage aside by royal decree, but Damon can't,

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01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: and he can't simply divorce her either, Like people are

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01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: scoffing because Damon is fucking married. He's flat out just married,

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01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,759
Speaker 1: and the King's not going to put that wedding aside

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01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: because that was an important alliance with the Lords of

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01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: the Veil, And so people are scoffing, because Damon as

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01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:23,839
Speaker 1: a wife. That's why they're scoming.

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01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 3: He can't get married because he's he's wed.

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01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: Now go home and be with your fucking wife, David.

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01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the series, he could get He had to

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01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 3: get remarried to continue his legacy and his family and

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01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 3: have an.

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01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Air his wife had passed away. Now, also Targarian kings,

1558
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: we should you know, meg Or married three women at once.

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01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: You know, Eggon the conqueror had two wives who were

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01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: also his sisters. Like, there's the ruler can do stuff.

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01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 1: Now we should add also that they did that not

1562
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 1: without intense blow back from the realm at writ large,

1563
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: Like when Magor married his black brides. It was it

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01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:11,759
Speaker 1: was not viewed suddenly by the realm. People were disgusted

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01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 1: by this and it was taken as more evidence that

1566
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 1: maygor It was and accursed figure Agon got away with

1567
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 1: this because he had multiple dragons and was and was

1568
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: beating the shit out of the entire realm. So everybody's like, okay,

1569
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 1: we'll just let this go. When Anus king Anis came

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01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: in and tried to do similar stuff and have and

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01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, uh, it was seen as an abomination. He

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01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: was very confused as to why all of a sudden

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01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: like Agon could have his dad could have gotten away

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01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 1: with with certain marriage things that he got away with,

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01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: and he wasn't. So the king can occasionally marry more

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01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:59,640
Speaker 1: than one of his own relatives, but only you know

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01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 1: that that is a step to be taken, you know,

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01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:06,639
Speaker 1: only after much consideration, because the realm won't like it.

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01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, Visus, you know, could take multiple wives,

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01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 1: but he shouldn't and thankfully didn't, and certainly Prince Daemon

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01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 1: cannot do that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Christian's going to give you one that I

1583
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 3: know you're going to enjoy. Diving deep into quick question

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01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 3: about the crab Feeder, HBO confirmed in one of the

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01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 3: behind the scenes features that he's wearing a piece of

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01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 3: the Sons of the Happy mask, which you had mentioned.

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01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 3: My understanding was that the Sons of the Harpy didn't

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01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 3: form until the time of Dinar's reign and marine Am

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01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 3: I wrong about that? Or are we assuming that the

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01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 3: masks existed long before the events of Game of Thrones

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01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 3: for a different purpose. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not wrong about that, but I would liken

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01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: it too. When we see bagpipes like at a parade.

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01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 1: We see those and we understand that's a reference to

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01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: Scottish Highland culture, to an ancient warrior culture and medieval times, right,

1596
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 1: and Scottish society, and not originating at the parade, and

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01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: we should think of the sons of the Harpy in

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01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 1: a similar way. So they the sons of the Harpy,

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01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 1: were rebelling against Danny's rule. Danny had done things, canceled

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01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 1: certain privileges that the sons of the Harpy felt were

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01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: integral to their culture. And their culture descends from the

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01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 1: Old Gusts Empire, which was this kind of like slaveholding

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01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: empire that was a rival to Valeria. Eventually, the Valerians

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01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: wiped them out and colonized the area. But as happens

1605
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: in real life, the Valerians that then colonized that area,

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01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: then it became it took on the old GISTs culture.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So what we should assume is that the sons of

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01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 1: the Harpy were using a symbol that was a symbol

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Speaker 1: of this kind of ancient Guist culture that they were

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01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 1: saying was being trammeled on, that was being uh deconstructed

1612
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 1: unjustly by a Denarius Targarian and the masks were a

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01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: part of that protest against that, and a reference that

1614
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 1: we don't understand. But it's clearly like a much older symbol, right,

1615
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, so what we should assume is this is

1616
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: a symbol that's been around. It's it has something to

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01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: do with old the old Guess Empire and the culture

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01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 1: of Slaver's Bay, but that it's an old one, not

1619
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 1: necessarily created by the sons of the Harpy, but one

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01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 1: that was adopted by them to reference their their kind

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01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:41,839
Speaker 1: of ancient bloodline, this ancient society that they were feeling

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Speaker 1: was being unjustly pushed down.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and finally Kim asks, what's the day in Bravos.

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Speaker 1: It's a good question, obviously, Like in Westerus, we're using

1625
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 1: Agon's invasion as an Agon's conquest and you know Ac,

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01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 1: they're saying, you know one one AC or you know

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01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 1: one O two AC after conquest? We don't know is

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01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 1: the answer. And of course, like all the cities in

1629
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,600
Speaker 1: Bravos have you know, different cultures, different societies. But I

1630
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 1: think I would assume that most I would find it

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01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: likely that the free cities, the various cities of Sesos

1632
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: would use the Doom of Valeria as kind of like

1633
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,719
Speaker 1: the starting calendar because that was such a huge event.

1634
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 1: And of course the Bravosi descended from slaves that escaped

1635
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:39,639
Speaker 1: from Valerian, the Valerian yoke. They would have hated Valerias,

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01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 1: so I would assume it would be kind of cool

1637
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: for them to be like, hey, it's the year after

1638
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:49,879
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers all got wiped out. So that's my assumption.

1639
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 1: We don't know that to be the case. There's other

1640
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,719
Speaker 1: you know. It could also be that that they start

1641
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: their calendar when they found Bravos and were able to

1642
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: establish the society after escaping from the Valerian yoke. But

1643
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: I like to think that that a lot of those

1644
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 1: cities use the Doom of Valeria as the start of

1645
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 1: their calendar. That's it for this episode of Ask the Master.

1646
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 1: Don't miss the new HBO original series House of the Dragon,

1647
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 1: now streaming on HBO Max. And don't forget your questions.

1648
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,719
Speaker 1: We love answering them. Send them to Askthemeaster at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com. A big thank you to Rosie Knight for

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01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 1: joining us on X ray Vision. Rosie, what do you

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Speaker 1: have to plug? You've been writing so much about D

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Speaker 1: twenty three about other things. What do you have to

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Speaker 1: plug for the people?

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Speaker 3: You can find a ton of sholk stuff if you,

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Speaker 3: like everyone else, is in love with Madison MEANSI had.

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Speaker 3: Last week I interviewed Jessica Gao about introducing Madison to

1657
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Speaker 3: even out with wongas that's it. Noticed. I did rad

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Speaker 3: a Polygon piece that kind of mists the most anticipated

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Speaker 3: comics that I think you should check out for the

1660
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Speaker 3: rest of the year. That was a really nice big one.

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Speaker 3: Got a ton of stuff going on ign. If you

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Speaker 3: are so inclined to read about my thoughts on Lord

1663
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Speaker 3: of the Rings, you can find them. There also a

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Speaker 3: lot of manga and anime lists, so yeah, just good stuff.

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Speaker 3: And then obviously here with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can catch our next episode on September twenty third,

1667
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:19,639
Speaker 1: with more House of the Dragon stuff, more She Hulk stuff,

1668
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Speaker 1: plus a return to a galaxy far far away and

1669
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Speaker 1: our good friends from the Spy Star Wars future and

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Speaker 1: or that I am very very excited to watch the Lies,

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Speaker 1: the Deception and more. Don't forget drop your queries for

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Speaker 1: House of the Dragon ask THEEMASA at gmail dot com.

1673
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Speaker 1: And don't forget this episode is the House of the

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01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:46,759
Speaker 1: Dragon episode. The next episode is gonna be d twenty

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Speaker 1: three and our she hope content don't forget to leave

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Speaker 1: us a five star review. We'd love to get those

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Speaker 1: five star reviews. That's what we want, that's what we need,

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Speaker 1: that's what we got to have. And we told you

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Speaker 1: we're gonna read five star reviews that you send us.

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Speaker 1: And here's one from Byron the absolute best. Love the show,

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01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: always insightful, full of joy. Thank you, Rosie and Jason,

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Speaker 1: the whole team shortened to the point. And that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what we need. And of course, right on top of that,

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Speaker 1: what you got, you got the five beautiful stars. I

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Speaker 1: love it, baby.

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Speaker 3: See you Next Time by.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Sal Rubin. The show

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Speaker 1: is executive produced by myself and Sandy's Rhard are editing

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Speaker 1: and sound designers by the Facillis Fotopoulos, Dilon Villanueva and

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Speaker 1: Matt De Group provide video production support. Alex Rella for

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Speaker 1: handle social media. Thank you, Brian Vasquez for theme music.

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Speaker 3: See you Next Time, Bye bye.

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Speaker 4: What must I say it? You went to my bed

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Speaker 4: chamber accusing my daughter of something? I speak it plainly.

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Speaker 4: Prince Damon and Ranera were seen together in the bowels

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Speaker 4: of a pleasure den.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and what were they.

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Speaker 4: Doing, your grace? They were.

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Speaker 1: Coupling What what I your grace?

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Speaker 4: They were amidst the writhing bodies in the pleasure house,

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Speaker 4: and they had taken a one way ticket to bound town.

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Speaker 1: What Ada?

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Speaker 2: What are you?

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: They had ridden the snake, your grace, and the snake

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Speaker 4: cried milk Otto, what the gates, your grace? The gates

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Speaker 4: of old Volvaria were left open? Otta what they were

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Speaker 4: playing hide the purse, your grace?

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about, your grace?

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Speaker 4: They were in the bowels of a pleasure house playing

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Speaker 4: spank the master where Otto speak plainly?

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Speaker 1: What are you saying, yo, grace?

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Speaker 4: They were in the bottom of the most vile and

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Speaker 4: lured brothel in King's landing plain twisty, twisty, titty twisty dragon,

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Speaker 4: misty titty twisty what ha