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Speaker 4: I'm very excited about it. I'm not going to give

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to say a word.

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Speaker 4: Well you tried, I did.

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Speaker 5: Clinics back on clinic's dinerd gets take a bike?

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Speaker 3: Is that you don't and Alex is on the back

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Speaker 3: bringing the bell. It's actually trags. How close is Kansas

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Speaker 3: City to Chicago? I don't have an Atlas with me,

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Speaker 4: Meeting Audrey in New Hampshire. The absolute last place it

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Speaker 3: Fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome in the Patriots on filter.

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Speaker 6: It's Thursday here at Jillette Stadium and we will be

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Speaker 6: talking some Patriots here for the next couple hours.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 6: It's Deuce back on the hosting chair. Fred's got some

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Speaker 6: boss man responsibilities today.

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Speaker 3: I'm here with.

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Speaker 6: Paul Perullo, Evan Lazarre and we got some stuff going

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Speaker 6: on today. We're obviously waiting for the schedule to come out,

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Speaker 6: and they was an announcement this morning. Tom Brady is

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Speaker 6: going to be coming back for the Patriots home opener

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Speaker 6: this year, announced by Robert Craft this morning on NFL Network.

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Speaker 6: And I just got to say right off the top,

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Speaker 6: for all the people who are writing in saying is

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Speaker 6: that it is that all they're doing. Watched the video

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Speaker 6: and he said, this is just the start of many

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Speaker 6: ways to honor Tom. But this seems like a simple

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Speaker 6: way just to get him back in the building and

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Speaker 6: you know, kind of bring them back into the fold

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Speaker 6: a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think this is the end of it.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of people reaching out on Twitter and

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Speaker 6: emails are like, is that it They're just going to

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Speaker 3: A you know, have them at the game. No, no, No,

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Speaker 3: it's the beauty and then the dowb like, you know,

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Speaker 3: the downfall of Twitter because people are you know, the

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Speaker 3: beauty is you get some information, right, you know, Robert

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Speaker 3: Kraft said Tom Brady's going to be honored, But then

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Speaker 3: people didn't actually see what was said, and I think

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Speaker 3: they some jumped to conclusions, including my buddy Chris with

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Speaker 3: that Robert specifically said. And I think I wrote in

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Speaker 3: my original tweet, it's the first of many chances to

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Speaker 3: honor Tom Brady, So this is not going to be

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Speaker 3: the only time, promise.

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Speaker 5: I don't know about you, guys, but my phone is

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Speaker 5: already blowing up with people asking me if I can

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Speaker 5: get them tickets to that game. I've already had three

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Speaker 5: people reach out to me about tickets and we don't

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Speaker 5: really anyways, that don't don't don't add us about tickets.

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Speaker 5: All right, Sorry, I love you all, but please please

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Speaker 5: don't know just.

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Speaker 3: That Paul, he's the one who gets the thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: no one asks No, one asked. No, that'll be a

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Speaker 3: tough ticket to had a requestions Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people in the in the thirty

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Speaker 3: eight requests that I got for that next weekend. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: of people down on that one, but not everybody. No,

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Speaker 3: I got some people, you hook some the important people up.

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Speaker 3: I did well.

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Speaker 6: I basically did it in order of people asking me, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: that'll be a big weekend. I I think I think

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Speaker 6: I mentioned my uh my son Campbell's about that his

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Speaker 6: eleventh birthday next week. Just wanted a limo to a

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Speaker 3: session in about fifteen years, right. I wanted give me

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Speaker 3: not not eleventh birthday. Yeah, I was going with the

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Speaker 3: fifth grade dance. It was just eleventh birthday, I said

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Speaker 3: in front of Lane, like, I've only been in a

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Speaker 3: limo twice in my life. One was my junior prom

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Speaker 3: all right, then, I've only been in a limo once

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Speaker 8: Like you drive around?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure like in you're like town, you ever drive

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Speaker 3: lot driver? I see it all the time, random limit.

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Speaker 3: I don't live in the posh suburbs like you do,

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Speaker 3: so these other people who are driving that I don't

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Speaker 6: This is the guy who like bought like an eighties limo,

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Speaker 3: And occasionally he's like, hey, you need someone for a

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Speaker 3: sixth grade dance? I got upstc Yeah, your gut. You

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Speaker 3: know he's got the little hairy Stewart Masterson is ready

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Speaker 3: to go. And they did dances for fifth grade. We

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Speaker 6: No, no, neither did I, but I gave him credit

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Speaker 5: I know a guy with the black SUV that he

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Speaker 3: But maybe I can hook you up. But if he

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Speaker 3: wants to have a bunch of fifth grade boys that

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Speaker 3: to go all boys, We've completely gotten off the rails here.

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Speaker 3: We're five minutes into the show.

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Speaker 6: I apologize for that, but but obviously the big news

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Speaker 3: Celebrate. I am not one that I know a lot

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Speaker 3: of other people agnostic when it comes to the schedule.

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Speaker 3: Just tell us where it is. I know there's been

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Speaker 3: some reports out there. Everything will be coming out at

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Speaker 3: at eight o'clock tonight, along with all the schedule release

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Speaker 3: videos that that our whole team put a ton of

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen it, so I'm excited to see that

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Speaker 5: in general I used to be into the schedule. Now

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to lie. It's mostly just about okay,

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Speaker 5: how can I structure the next six months of my life?

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Speaker 5: More than anything, And I understand that that is nobody cares.

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Speaker 5: So I do find it interesting how much juice this gets.

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Speaker 5: And I do think it just is because people are

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Speaker 5: the summer. But in general, for people like us, this

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like getting your work schedule right, here's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but for fans, I do find it interesting. But

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Speaker 5: such little appreciation for what he brought to this city, organization, everything.

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Speaker 5: So it's nice to finally get to to kind of

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Speaker 5: I hate to this day that Tom Brady's last moments

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Speaker 3: It just it was a rock fight. It was an

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Speaker 5: They didn't play well, obviously, and just to go it

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Speaker 6: Logan Ryan picked six, Like, yeah, I think we were

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Speaker 5: how it ended. I'm glad this will hopefully rewrite it

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Speaker 3: Years in the rearview mirror, just of a what a

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Speaker 6: Everything going on with you know, the team and Bill

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Speaker 6: and man Tom and O Tom, We're going to go

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Speaker 6: back there, you know, all the other kind of noise

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Speaker 6: But just what a cool thing that he actually got

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Well, we got some some emails rolling in. You know,

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Speaker 3: Give us a call eight five to five, Pats five

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Speaker 3: you know, we're not getting into what is official and

438
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Speaker 3: what isn't official because we don't know. We're not going

439
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Speaker 3: to touch it. That's right, that's right. But a couple

440
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Speaker 3: of other things, the housekeeping things.

441
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Speaker 6: So we did pr officially announced that we'll get some

442
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Speaker 6: access to a couple o t as in a couple

443
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Speaker 6: of weeks. That went out last night, so that will

444
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Speaker 6: be believe two weeks from today will be the first

445
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Speaker 6: time we'll get a glimp glimpse at them and then Friday, uh,

446
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Speaker 6: and then I think the.

447
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Speaker 3: Following week, so scheduled for three practices.

448
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Speaker 6: Last year, I think we only got two OTAs and

449
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Speaker 6: then we got too mini camp practices. Mini camp will

450
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Speaker 6: be then the following week, So a lot going on.

451
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Speaker 6: I mean, it'll be you know, it's it's like the

452
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Speaker 6: off season. But you're also like, we're meeting.

453
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Speaker 3: With guys, the schedules coming out, they're gonna be. They're

454
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Speaker 3: having a food truck party out there as well. We

455
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Speaker 3: don't mean and even't tried to walk what's this? I know,

456
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Speaker 3: I think not for us.

457
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Speaker 6: No, it was kind of we tried to cut around

458
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Speaker 6: because now the new media area is down over at

459
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Speaker 6: E two, so we just went to walk out and

460
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Speaker 6: around in front of football, but it was all blocked

461
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Speaker 6: off and they had a bunch of food trucks there.

462
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Speaker 3: So I assume this is one of those spring player activities,

463
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Speaker 3: team building team. I thought, I thought, you know, the

464
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Speaker 3: special people upstairs were giving access to something, especially food.

465
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Speaker 3: Looked like there was an ice cream truck to got food.

466
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Speaker 3: Go for some food right now, But why didn't you

467
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Speaker 3: order something? I know I forgot and you know It's

468
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 3: just we do have a wonderful new service here, but

469
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Speaker 3: I always we do have a one I didn't know

470
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Speaker 3: about the pork mac and cheese. That sounded like a

471
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,879
Speaker 3: little bit much uh for me today, but let's uh.

472
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Speaker 3: Rob Rob called right in, So I'm gonna jump over

473
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Speaker 3: to the phone here just a little bit early here

474
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Speaker 3: and let Rob from South Carolina check in. Hey, Rob,

475
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Speaker 3: what's going on?

476
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Speaker 10: Hey, how are you guys doing today?

477
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Speaker 3: Good?

478
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Speaker 10: Good, good, Well, I'm gonna probably do your proud Deuce.

479
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Speaker 10: I'm mainly the reason why I called in is because

480
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 10: I'm actually kind of upset by the fact that they're

481
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 10: gonna celebrate Tom Brady in the first seasons.

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, Can I ask, with all serious what why

483
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Speaker 3: would that in any way upset you?

484
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Speaker 10: Okay? So I was I'm sort of joking, paul.

485
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,959
Speaker 3: A, right, Okay, I thought you were, But then when

486
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 3: you didn't laugh after it, I was like, Deuce is

487
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Speaker 3: the only one I know that doesn't want go do

488
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 3: it Tampa, because I am I'm on a panel here

489
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 3: with three there's three of us, and two kind of

490
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 3: just have no more use for Tom Brady. So I

491
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 3: never know, I like I would think that I'm in

492
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 3: the majority of people who you know, respect to Brady wrong,

493
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 3: but I'm not. He's winning me back ever since, like

494
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 3: I don't know about eight am this morning.

495
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, when I saw that come across my phone,

496
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 5: I was like, come back, Dad, please let by gone?

497
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Speaker 11: Yes?

498
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Speaker 3: Right, okay, Well, you know my apology.

499
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Speaker 10: Making emotions like you're you're excited because of what he

500
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 10: did for the franchise and then you kind of feel

501
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 10: like the tilted lover because he left. And I was

502
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 10: really upset when he left, simply because he had a

503
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Speaker 10: chance to do something that very few players get to

504
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Speaker 10: do in this day and age, which to stay with

505
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Speaker 10: the team that they're dafted them. And so that was

506
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Speaker 10: my primary, uh fault if you will, with him leaving

507
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Speaker 10: h And the main thing was it was he was

508
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Speaker 10: the one that changed, not Bill Belichick. And I'm not

509
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 10: trying to defend a chick. I'm just saying, like, over

510
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 10: the twenty years, the only one that changed was Tom Brady.

511
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Speaker 10: So that was where my source of frustration came from.

512
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 10: But I am glad that he is coming back and

513
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Speaker 10: he can retire hopefully a Patriots.

514
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with Rob's assessment. Then what Brady

515
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: changed and Belichick really didn't, or at least more than

516
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 3: Belichick did. But I think that the decision for him

517
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Speaker 3: to leave was Belichick's. Yeah, like more so than Brady's kind.

518
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Speaker 6: Of related l from Wisconsin and a email, than just

519
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Speaker 6: saying maybe Brady's last game would have been so tough

520
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Speaker 6: and disappointing if the GM could have built a team

521
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Speaker 6: around him rather than throwing scraps and hoping Brady could

522
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Speaker 6: pull them across the finish line.

523
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Elle, But I mean that's uh, I mean,

524
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Speaker 3: I can't be upset about things that happened five years

525
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Speaker 3: ago anymore. No, Yeah, that's why I feel like with

526
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 3: the Tampa game too, I just feel like I have

527
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: a different perspective.

528
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Speaker 6: Not that it got me all worked up or anything.

529
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Speaker 6: I mean certainly didn't lead up to it. I mean

530
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Speaker 6: there was a lot on the you know you just a.

531
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Speaker 3: Friend used to get mad at me because I was

532
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 3: just like so tired of By's coming back. That week

533
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: was a long week of that, well, because it actually

534
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Speaker 3: was a long four weeks of it. Once the season started,

535
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Speaker 3: it was that it was just like, forget about the

536
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: first three weeks, It's all about this game.

537
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Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, the nineteen thing, though, does

538
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 5: it is interesting like in terms of the team around him,

539
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 5: because I don't think it. I truly do not think

540
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Speaker 5: that the nineteen offense was due to a lack of trying.

541
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Speaker 5: They just didn't try correctly. Like they drafted to kill

542
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Speaker 5: Harry in the first round.

543
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Speaker 3: You know they what is that this new year two? Yeah?

544
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they traded for Mohammed Sanu at the deadline. They

545
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 5: drafted Nikil Harry in the first round. They signed Antonio Brown,

546
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Speaker 5: which we all remember in the beginning part of the season.

547
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Speaker 5: In the first month, they just didn't hit on the

548
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 5: moves that they made. And you can blame the GM

549
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 5: for that, like that, they poorly evaluated the talent or

550
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it in the nineteenth draft.

551
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Speaker 5: But if ni kil Harry he ends up being the

552
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Speaker 5: player they thought he was going to be, then is

553
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Speaker 5: it they they used the asset like they tried to

554
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Speaker 5: get him in another weapon when Gronk retired and they drafted.

555
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Speaker 6: The receiver in the first round, Tamarus Thomas in the

556
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Speaker 6: I mean not that he was still but you know

557
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Speaker 6: they were they were throwing stuff at the They were

558
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Speaker 6: throwing stuff at the wall.

559
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Speaker 3: That's what. It didn't work. No, it just didn't. And

560
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Speaker 3: I mean the Mohammed Sanu think can still make you sick.

561
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Speaker 3: Trading a second round pick for that guy. Yeah, he's

562
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Speaker 3: been in the news. He wants, he wants to come back.

563
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Speaker 3: Not he he was done four years ago. I remember

564
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Speaker 3: him being like, you know, he just was so confident

565
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: when he got here that it was all going to

566
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: be great. And you know, I remember the squeeze the

567
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Speaker 3: Baltimore game. Wasn't the Baltimore game that he caught a

568
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 3: bunch of passes.

569
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he came out of the gate pretty well. Yeah,

570
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Speaker 5: it was Baltimore.

571
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Speaker 3: I think that was a rough loss, though I don't

572
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Speaker 3: I forget. Yeah, oh yeah, he was one of the

573
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Speaker 3: bright spots Mike mixing up years. It's not like people

574
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Speaker 3: you're I think you're right. I don't know that sounds

575
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: you're you're dead on with sinew And I remember him

576
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 3: catching a bunch of like insignificant, like eight yard passes. Yeah, yeah,

577
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: but he had like a lot of them, and everybody

578
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: was like it was against Baltimore. If I'm not mistake.

579
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 5: He got injured to he injured his ankle at some

580
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 5: point when he got with the Patriots, and I think

581
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 5: it was on a turning a punt, yeah, because they

582
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 5: had to put him back on punts, right, and he

583
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 5: injured his ankle, and that at that point he that

584
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 5: was it. He was already not he's already at like

585
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Speaker 5: seventy five percent.

586
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Speaker 6: And then I think he hit on a pretty good

587
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Speaker 6: Evan like because I it's not that they didn't try, Like,

588
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 6: I think that there were a lot of, you know,

589
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 6: things you could point to that, well, they drafted a

590
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 6: first round receiver, they traded a second round pick for

591
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Speaker 6: a receiver. You know, the Antonio Brown thing blew up.

592
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 6: I just it goes for me as always goes back

593
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 6: to the draft. You know that was there was just

594
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Speaker 6: the picks that you missed on and Harry being a

595
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 6: primary one. Although at that point, you know, what were

596
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 6: you expecting him to come in and do I mean,

597
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 6: even when you're still going to get ab early in

598
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 6: the season, it acknowledges like we don't expect me kill

599
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 6: but by that point they had to because he was hurt.

600
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 5: Right, So even if nikkil Harry and up being a

601
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 5: fine player, like even if he ends up being Sony

602
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 5: Michelle or Isaiah Winner, one of these first round picks

603
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 5: that they've had recently that hasn't panned out in terms

604
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 5: of being a ten year Patriot. But was just somebody

605
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 5: that gave you some game, gave you something, yea. Then

606
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 5: it's totally a different conversation in nineteen because the defense

607
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 5: I wasn't great, and I know that a lot of

608
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 5: it was fools gold early on in the season for

609
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 5: that defense. But I still think that defense was good

610
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 5: enough that if the offense had been pulling it side

611
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 5: of the rope, that they would have been a more

612
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 5: competitive team down the stretch.

613
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: Than they were.

614
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 6: Well L from Wisconsin writing back, and sorry, Evan, he

615
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 6: says you're wrong. So lets you say, talking about twenty nineteen,

616
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 6: I'm not going to give BB credit for trying. He

617
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 6: had been a coach for like twenty years. We don't

618
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 6: get a trophy for trying to draft the same receiver

619
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 6: that week.

620
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Speaker 5: When I'm critical of Bill and I'm questioning the greatest

621
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Speaker 5: coach of all time, and who am I to do that?

622
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 5: And then when I say that he tried, then I'm

623
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 5: not critical enough. I I don't know, well, I mean,

624
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 5: he took some swings at that part. I mean they

625
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 5: took some swings and the noise, ignore the noise. Yeah,

626
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 5: I was just looking up snow from that year and

627
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 5: it was right. I think we all had it right.

628
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. He had ten catches for eighty one yards in

629
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: that Baltimore game. He had twenty six catches as a Patriot,

630
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: Like it was just this one day where he caught

631
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: a bunch, in my opinion, of insignificant short passes while

632
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: they were trailing by two scores. Yeah, there were a

633
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: lot of hot so they were never really in. Yeah,

634
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: they were never really in that game.

635
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 12: Ye.

636
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: And you know, just looking at the rest of it

637
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 3: before that, it was two catches, two catches, three catches,

638
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: one catch, two catch, three catch, three catch, and he

639
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: missed a game like just nothing.

640
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 5: I do remember standing in front of his locker when

641
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 5: they first made the move and him talking for the

642
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 5: first time, and he was the juice and the squeeze

643
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 5: and he was like, I'm I'm here, and I'm it's

644
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 5: gonna be great.

645
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: I got this.

646
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: And honestly at the time, I liked his game for them,

647
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 5: like I thought they he would translate well as a smart,

648
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 5: shifty route runner, good hands like I did think that

649
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 5: he was a good a good pick up for them.

650
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 5: He just didn't have the juice anymore.

651
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: He just didn't have it. I mean kind of. I

652
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: mean it would have would it be back to comparison

653
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: to say, somewhere in the in the realm of Juju,

654
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: of of kind of a big slot calmparison, compay, comparison,

655
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Speaker 3: apologize the same in the in the world. I mean,

656
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Speaker 3: I Juju got a little bit of juice on the

657
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: on the hoof, I think like Juju has left in

658
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: the No, no, no, I'm not trying. I thought he

659
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: looked like a guy was big slots pretty close to

660
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, not known for their quickness, but you know,

661
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: outstanding athleticism necessarily, but yeah, good route runners, strong, you know.

662
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: You know s new was a good player in Atlanta. Yeah,

663
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: just not for for us, even in Cincinnati. I think

664
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: he had some MOMENTSINNT. I forgot about those early years

665
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati. I got overshadowed by.

666
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 6: Kind of him being on Atlanta during Super Bowl fifty

667
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 6: two and all them Arry going on or Super fifty one. Sorry,

668
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 6: you know, all the talk going on with him on

669
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 6: the sideline being like man, they got Tom Brady like

670
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 6: they seemed to know, they knew what was coming.

671
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Speaker 3: Ryan. I don't feel bad. Let's speaking to Ryan. Let's

672
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: let's jump to Ryan in Virginia. Hey Ryan, what's going on? Ryan? Hello? Ryan?

673
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: One stop eating sands. Oh he's on the other line.

674
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: All right, we're hopping over. Hey Ryan, what's going on in.

675
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Speaker 5: Hey?

676
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Speaker 11: You guys teaching real right?

677
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Speaker 4: Yeah? There are you?

678
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Speaker 2: Good?

679
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Speaker 11: Awesome, great off and on listener. First time caller, just

680
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 11: really quickly want to shout out Bill Murray as it

681
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 11: will be Marry Brad. I hope fourth year is the

682
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 11: charm and he finally cracks the roster. But I got

683
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 11: a two things for you. I don't know if you

684
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Speaker 11: guys saw at the top of the show the announced

685
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 11: that Week one will be Eagles Past. So I thought,

686
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 11: what a great.

687
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Speaker 3: Way to honor.

688
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Speaker 11: The Eagle A big plug.

689
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't heard that. Now, I'm not telling you

690
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: what's wrong. I'm just saying I haven't heard anybody announce that.

691
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: So there's some reports that that's the game. But now

692
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: I'm talking about like the league not official. We should

693
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Speaker 3: get those.

694
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Speaker 11: Yeah, a good game. The other thing I just wanted

695
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 11: to touch on you guys mentioned the top of the

696
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 11: show was the running back room. We didn't draft anybody,

697
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 11: so that's what got me a little concerned, was just that,

698
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 11: you know, that's the position with the most wear and tear,

699
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 11: and knowing that our running back room right now is Stevenson,

700
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 11: great back, got a little banged up towards the end

701
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 11: of last year, Robinson who's coming off big injury, and

702
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 11: then two kind of rookies who haven't really proved anything yet.

703
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 11: So just wondering, you know, if there's any level of

704
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 11: concern there for you guys, and if we need to

705
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 11: bring in anybody else no pleasure, Yeah, no.

706
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: I mean look if I mean if Montgomery and and

707
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: and what's the space the Robinson are like healthy is

708
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: just what we just talked to him.

709
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 6: If those guys aren't healthier or don't really can't really

710
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 6: get back to what they were hoping they might be,

711
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 6: and the two rookies from last year don't really develop

712
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden.

713
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: If you feel like yeah, then then maybe you're in trouble.

714
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: When in Remandre, you know, it gets hurt, then the

715
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: JJ Taylor.

716
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Speaker 6: H No, I mean I think that at least on paper,

717
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 6: they have a good combination of young guys that they've

718
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 6: expended draft picks on, and you know, remandre Is is

719
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 6: clearly the one a piece, but I don't know, I

720
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 6: haven't completely ruled out Robinson a monk army. I think

721
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 6: with running back, you kind of acquire these guys, put

722
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 6: them on the roster and just see how it plays

723
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 6: out with competition and injuries, and don't try to get

724
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 6: too attached.

725
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: I do think they're replacement. But I think Robinson, you know,

726
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: in his ability to catch the ball too, I think

727
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: as a as a complimentary piece, maybe take some of

728
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: that burden off of Stevenson that he racked up a

729
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: lot of touches as a receiver. So I think that

730
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: that Montgomery, I'm not really expecting anything from enough because

731
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a good player, But I just think,

732
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: you know, at this stage, we haven't seen him for

733
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: so long healthy, it's hard to just pencil him in

734
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: for a role.

735
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

736
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: You know, if you know, Fred likes to say those

737
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: kinds of guys, that's gravy. If we show up in

738
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: training camp and we see him like he was last year,

739
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: darting around and looking like he could fill a significant

740
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: piece to the puzzle great, but I'm not expecting that.

741
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that there's maybe just I understand that

742
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 5: we didn't get a lot of exposures to Pierre Strong

743
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 5: because he didn't play much in regular season games, but

744
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 5: there's some juice there. And I just think in the

745
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 5: West Coast trip last year in Arizona in Vegas that

746
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 5: I saw enough that at that position, of all positions,

747
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 5: those guys are so replaceable, and I really feel like

748
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 5: Pierre Strong is somebody that with more opportunities and more touches,

749
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna flash a little bit more. And

750
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 5: even a guy like Kevin Harry, So I think the

751
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 5: biggest thing with him was ball security, and he did

752
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: put the ball on the ground a little bit in

753
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 5: the summer, and that's going to concern them. But if

754
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 5: he fixes that, and he's somebody that can at least

755
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 5: run between the tackles and get you some yards as

756
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 5: a power back on first down, so I'd never worry

757
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 5: about running backs. It's just they'll find somebody to run

758
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 5: the football, and it's more about everything else.

759
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: Do you think that they're actively trying to get away

760
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: from having a specific third down back and they're trying

761
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: to maybe acquire players that not so much Harris, but

762
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: I almost feel like between Ramandre Robinson, what's his face right, Montgomery,

763
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: I do think that that's wrong. All those guys are

764
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: pretty balanced. I do think that was a big part

765
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: of it last year. And I think we saw it

766
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: in the summer a little bit in preseason games where

767
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: it was, Okay, this is going to be Damian Harris's series,

768
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: and you know in a preseason it, this is going

769
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Speaker 3: to be Stevenson's, this is going to be Montgomery. She

770
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: saw them out there on first down, carrying the ball

771
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: on third down, being candidates to catch the ball, and

772
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: I think they do want that. However, I think that

773
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: when they saw it actually play out that way, I

774
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: wonder if they're looking at it and saying, this is

775
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: why we didn't really do a lot of that in

776
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: the first place, because I think Stevenson ended up really

777
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: wearing down, yeah, playing too much because he had to

778
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: play too much. Yeah, I think that there's a all

779
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 3: the play calling tendencies last year got messed up because

780
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: he was calling the place. But they they the years

781
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 3: before that, the years before that, you know, they were

782
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: very predictable based off of personnel. You know, they have

783
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: Sony Michelle in the backfield with James Devlin and the

784
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 3: power eye, and like seventy percent of the time that

785
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: was a run and the other and I heard a

786
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: lot of criticism for Josh McDaniels with regard to exactly.

787
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 5: What right, And then the other thirty percent was play

788
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 5: action off of the run. So you knew that you

789
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 5: were getting into that sort of game where they're going

790
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 5: to be under center, it's going to be their power run,

791
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 5: or it's going to be play action off the power action,

792
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 5: And that was just a that it was going to go.

793
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 5: And then last year they ditched a full back, they

794
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 5: become a little bit more unpredictable in theory, it just

795
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 5: didn't work out that way because of how the sequencing

796
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 5: of the plays went about. But I think maybe with

797
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 5: Bill O'Brien that they were able to mask it a

798
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 5: little bit more. But I also think that statistically their

799
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 5: early down offense was really good because they did run

800
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 5: the ball well and then the play action was effective

801
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 5: because they married it up and they had the whole

802
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 5: thing going. So I don't know how much that predictability

803
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 5: necessarily really hurt them in those offenses because they were

804
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 5: so a productive off of play action because of how

805
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 5: good they were running the football behind James Devlin.

806
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I just wonder if if it's

807
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: a little bit of something that you're trading off because

808
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: James White was just so effective as a passer, and

809
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: those guys that we have all can catch, but are

810
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: any of them really moving the needle like you know,

811
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 3: like like James White did as a receipt I something

812
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: to be accounted. I do think Montgomery has the potential

813
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: to be like more like White than the other guys

814
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: because of his background as a receiver. I think he's

815
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: a better route runner because I understand what you're saying,

816
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 3: Mike It there's one thing, like I think romondre Stevenson

817
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: has every bit uh effective catching the ball as James

818
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: White is like soft hands ability to actually physically catch

819
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: the ball. But I think setting up linebackers and you know,

820
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: reading the zones and doing those kinds of things, I

821
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: think James White was was special in that regard. He

822
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: didn't do it because he was so much faster than

823
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: everybody or you know, obviously not bigger and stronger than everybody,

824
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: but he understood how to set linebackers up, find those

825
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: matchups out in space. And I don't think Stevenson o'harris

826
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: last year, Damian Harris now were as effective like that

827
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: as as James White was, but they could catch the ball,

828
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: you think, like just it never looked like that, like

829
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 3: some of those like wheel routes.

830
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 6: Remember from James White up the sideline where Mac hit.

831
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: Him, you know, just streaking. I mean those aren't really

832
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: Remondre's kind of plays. I'm not going to hit Romond

833
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: downfield so much. But I don't know, just something something

834
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: to wonder. And I do think Montgomery could be like that.

835
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: We didn't get a chance to see it, and so

836
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: everybody wanted to make peer strong that per Strong didn't

837
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: really do a ton of that in college. No, And

838
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: I wrote his profile last year and talked to his

839
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: coaches about it, and he actually the coach actually put

840
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: it on himself. It's like, you know, we probably should

841
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: have dialed up more, but we didn't want him to

842
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: be one of these guys that was getting all of

843
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: these touches and getting worn down that way. But I

844
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: think that everybody looked and said, he's not the biggest guy.

845
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: He can fly, Oh, he's got to be a third

846
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: down back when he really didn't have that in his

847
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: on his resume coming in.

848
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was one hundred percent of projection with him

849
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 5: coming in, and I think a lot of the people

850
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 5: he talked to because of the skill set just assumed

851
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 5: that that's that was the goal with him, was to

852
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 5: be third down back. And I still think he could

853
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 5: do it, but learn it though. Yeah, Like the big

854
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 5: thing for me is with the third down back is

855
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 5: literally third like third and four, and you can't always

856
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 5: throw the ball down the field, Like if you can

857
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 5: get somebody matched up underneath on a linebacker, you can

858
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 5: sit down between a zone or something like that that

859
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 5: keeps you on schedule, that moves the chains. And I

860
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 5: think when you don't have a mobile quarterback that can

861
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 5: pick up third and four by scrambling, you kind of

862
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 5: have to have that safety valve or that outlet, you

863
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 5: know when Mac gets under duress or gets pressured, you know,

864
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 5: blitzes or whatever, that it's just to dump off to

865
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 5: the running back and you can get five yards on

866
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 5: third and four and you're moving the chains and you

867
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 5: get a new set of downs. They missed that last year.

868
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 5: I think they had it early with Stevenson. It felt

869
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 5: like he was able to do it until he started

870
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 5: to wear down a little bit. But I think that

871
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 5: they missed that just security blanket. Just dump it in

872
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 5: the flat on third and three and makes a guy

873
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 5: miss and all you know, we're still moving the chains,

874
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 5: even though the pass is a shorter pass and theory.

875
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 6: It is just kind of interesting the things that they're missing,

876
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 6: and by choice. But they don't have a full back anymore.

877
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 6: They don't really have a blocking tight end anymore. They

878
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 6: don't really have a traditional water bug slot receiver kind

879
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 6: of guy, you know, like it's just a lot of

880
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 6: the thing third down back, like a lot of those things.

881
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: You just you could go back through all of that.

882
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 3: That's good, Paul. You could go back through.

883
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 6: History and you can kind of name what guy that

884
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 6: was in almost every different version of the Patriots offense

885
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 6: that you saw over the last twenty years. And right

886
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 6: now they don't really have those pieces. I don't know,

887
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 6: it's just interesting. We'll see where Bill O'Brien takes it.

888
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 6: But phones are stacking up.

889
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: And one more thing, I wanted to add a third

890
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: down back just I think a lot of people like

891
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: they hear us say, you know, one of the things

892
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: that they're down back really has to excel in is

893
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: the blitz protection, right, you know, the blitz pick up.

894
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: And it's not so much. I mean, it's a big

895
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: part of it physical obviously, but I think most guys

896
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: can stick their nose in, get in the way enough

897
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 3: to give the quarterback enough time.

898
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 9: You know.

899
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 3: Certainly guy like Tom Brady, like he didn't have to

900
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: want to, you didn't have to take him out. But

901
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: to me, it's more understanding when, when and where the

902
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: pressure's coming from and the experience that I think it

903
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: takes to sort of pick up on that, you know,

904
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: the subtleties of the games that they play and not

905
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: getting fooled. Yeah, you know, sure, and I think that

906
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: that stuff that probably we saw it would be bigger

907
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: obstacles for a guy like Peter Strong than the physical

908
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: act of getting out. It's tough converting a third and four,

909
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 3: as Evan said.

910
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 5: Right, especially in the old blocking system. I don't know

911
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 5: what it's going to look like now with Bill O'Brien,

912
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 5: but a lot of the times those running backs would

913
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 5: have dual reads, so they'd be reading too, you know, Okay,

914
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 5: we're four over three.

915
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: On this side. If this guy comes and I have

916
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: this guy.

917
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 5: But if this guy comes, then I have to take

918
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 5: the nearest threat to the quarterbacks, so I actually have

919
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 5: that guy, and you have to make those determinations post snap.

920
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 5: And then they also have full, full scans, right, So

921
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 5: you might be put in blitz pick up and all

922
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 5: you're looking for is that second or third level guy

923
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 5: that is coming that you're not expecting. So it's not

924
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 5: a pressure look. But they send a late, delayed blitz

925
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 5: up the middle, and now you're responsible for going tackle

926
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 5: to tackle and scanning through the entire line of scrimmage

927
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 5: to find the guy that you're supposed to block. So

928
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 5: those are the reasons why a lot of those guys

929
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 5: red shirt and don't get on the field early on

930
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 5: is because of that. And it's it's a difficult way

931
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 5: about doing things. I don't know how they did it

932
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 5: last year, to be honest with you, but that's how

933
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 5: they've done it.

934
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: I used to say it all the time, like if

935
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: you go back, everybody says, well, that's why they do it.

936
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: In Foxborough. You are running back and you sit out

937
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: a year, and I say, that's not necessarily the case.

938
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 3: If that's the kind of running back that they project

939
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: you as, you're probably going to have a red shirt year.

940
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: If you're going to be James White, Shane Verreen type guy,

941
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: they're probably going to indoctrinate you a little bit slower

942
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: if you're a guy that they project as like a

943
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: true bell carrier. I've seen many guys come in and

944
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: step in right away and it get significant carries as

945
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: a rookie. Ridley r. Maroney. Yeah, Ridley and Maroney did it.

946
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: I mean they didn't necessarily have to be the guy,

947
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: but they they will allow you to carry the ball

948
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: because I think it's pretty obvious. It's that's more of

949
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 3: an instinctive position where you come in, you get the ball,

950
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: you avoid the guys trying to tackle you.

951
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 11: Right.

952
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: That was like James. That was like James Robinson today,

953
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 3: Like what do you think your game is? Like, I

954
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: don't know, get the ball, play football. Yeah. I think

955
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: it's interesting too with the like even Ben Jarvis greenellens

956
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: off the practice squad and I think he ended up

957
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: getting a thousand Johns.

958
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

959
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 5: Those those guys back then though, had the full back

960
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 5: and and I do find that it is interesting. And

961
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 5: I remember Remandre talking about last year that he actually

962
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 5: prefers to run without a full back because he's so

963
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 5: instinctive and he has that feel between the tackles to

964
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 5: just kind of, you know, like Le'Veon Bell used to

965
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 5: just kind of waited out and then pick the right spots.

966
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 5: But for a rookie coming in when they when they

967
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 5: were just like just follow James Devlin like he's going

968
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 5: to hit the hole and you're going to find the

969
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 5: hole through him.

970
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: He left out the most obvious, most recent sony Michelle

971
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 3: right right. It was like a huge part of your

972
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: offense found the stretch and in the playoffs as a

973
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 3: rookie and it was just running the ball.

974
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 5: Follow again behind you, follow the battering ram. Now you

975
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 5: have to there is a little bit more of a

976
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 5: read involved, right, that's correct, There is a little bit

977
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 5: more of a read involved now without a full back,

978
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 5: because you have a little bit more, say as a

979
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 5: running back about where exactly you run lead iso at

980
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 5: the full back, you're hitting one spot.

981
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 3: Right, all right, let's you can go back to the phones.

982
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna jump. I'm gonna jump to the phones. They've

983
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: been holding on out here. We got Willam from Philmy

984
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: and what's going on?

985
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 13: Hey, what's going on?

986
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 7: Like? How you doing?

987
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: Good?

988
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 5: Good?

989
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: Thanks for calling in?

990
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 7: Okay?

991
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 13: Anytime? Do I say, who do we play at?

992
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: Play?

993
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 13: Week one? I think do y'all know already?

994
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 6: No?

995
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 13: No, do you want to say nothing?

996
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: No, you could talk about we just we're not like

997
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: we can't you could. You could say whatever you want,

998
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: just fishing from anything or you know, okay, so you

999
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: can say, I mean you can week more.

1000
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 13: Okay, how you feel about it.

1001
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: I think if that's what it is, it's a big matchup.

1002
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: I know they were playing Philadelphia at home. Yeah, I mean,

1003
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: I mean, what week it is?

1004
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 6: Well, I would say to that, like, I mean, I

1005
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 6: just I think there's something interesting in that the Eagles

1006
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 6: are getting a lot of love right now. They're kind

1007
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 6: of the darlings that the Patriots were at one time,

1008
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 6: and you know, everyone loves their drafts and what they've

1009
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 6: done and for good reason. And they just paid Jalen

1010
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 6: Hurts and they seem like, you know, the team that's

1011
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 6: not quite Kansas City yet but is right there with him.

1012
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 6: So I think it's it's just no matter when they play.

1013
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 6: I think it's an interesting, you know, kind of old guard,

1014
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 6: new guard kind of game.

1015
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: I wish it was a different game. It's a measuring

1016
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: stick game because that's that's one of the best teams

1017
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: in football. If you want to say that there were

1018
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: one hit wonder, maybe they won't be as good as

1019
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: they were last year. Maybe I'm not banking. I'm not

1020
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: banking on that. I think what you've seen with Philadelphia

1021
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years was Jalen Hurts sort

1022
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: of getting the job definitively and they went nine and eight,

1023
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: squeaked into the playoffs and were very competitive in Tampa

1024
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: in that playoff game. And then the next year they

1025
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 3: picked up aj Brown and went to another level along

1026
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: with picking up some defensive pieces on short term contract

1027
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: like guys like Hassan Reddick, James Bradbury. If they added

1028
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: to a defense that was already talented and now I

1029
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 3: think they want they're one of the best teams in football.

1030
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: It's a bad matchup out of the game.

1031
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just is like that offense, the quack quarterback

1032
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 5: r PO college style offense is really what it is.

1033
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 5: And then defensively, you just mentioned the bookend to edge

1034
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 5: rusher's like Riley Reefs Hassan Reddick right out of the gate,

1035
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 5: Like that's gonna be throwing some people directly into the fire.

1036
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 5: If the Patriots win that game, I would be elated, like, Wow,

1037
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 5: you came out of the gate and you won that.

1038
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 5: That's that's a statement.

1039
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 3: It's already has them under five hundred.

1040
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's but on paper, like, that's just

1041
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 5: a terrible matchup, Like regardless of when the game was playing,

1042
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 5: whether it was Week one or week sixteen, just on paper,

1043
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 5: that's a horrible, horrible matchup. And I think that at

1044
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 5: least later on in the year. And I hate to

1045
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: do this, but like maybe somebody gets hurt in Philly,

1046
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 5: you know, I don't wish that upon anyone, but maybe,

1047
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 5: like you, later on in the year, you get lucky

1048
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 5: and like AJ Brown is dinged up and he's and

1049
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 5: he's not one hundred percent or something, but out of

1050
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 5: the gate, you're not gonna get You're not gonna get that.

1051
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 5: So I don't Yeah, that's what it is.

1052
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: I don't think it.

1053
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 13: And Mike, it's just just two more things. And that

1054
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 13: did okay, you go okay, And to the to that

1055
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 13: caller that called last time, that not that thought I

1056
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 13: wasn't necessary. I just want to put this out there.

1057
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 13: I listened to Patriots on filter from the time you

1058
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 13: get on from Tom Pitcher filter get on to that

1059
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 13: get off. I was gonna say something smart because I

1060
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 13: but I said, no, I ain't gonna do it. I'm

1061
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 13: gonna let that. I'm gonna let that ride. But I

1062
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 13: just want to make that caller known. You know, I

1063
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 13: ain't got the earphones. Then now this times you're just

1064
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 13: handing me through the phone. So I hope I sound

1065
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 13: better this time.

1066
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: You sound great time.

1067
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 13: I live it at that last but not least, Evan,

1068
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 13: are you really trying to piss me off?

1069
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 14: Really?

1070
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 13: For twenty nineteen when he got the hair, are you

1071
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 13: really you was on my good side?

1072
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 9: Are you really.

1073
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 13: The greatest culture of all time? When he drafted that bomb?

1074
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 13: Are you serious? He spent more his time on ir

1075
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 13: than playing than playing in the game.

1076
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 9: Are you serious?

1077
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm saying. I don't know what

1078
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: I'm getting yelled at.

1079
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 13: Come on, you you you've seen Tom. Tom was pissed

1080
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 13: off man. He said, look it.

1081
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: Because Tom scouted to kill Harry and knew that he

1082
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: wasn't a good player.

1083
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 5: They missed on the pic. No one's denying that, no

1084
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 5: one's disagreeing. But the idea of drafting a receiver in

1085
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 5: the first round was to give Tom Brady help.

1086
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: It didn't. They picked the wrong guy. I don't know,

1087
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: what do you? What are we arguing about? And they

1088
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: picked the wrong guy on purpose because they hated Braid?

1089
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 13: Are you the same Evan that was going off not

1090
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 13: too long ago time out?

1091
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 10: Oh?

1092
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 11: They took a guard and was going off.

1093
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 13: Remember that.

1094
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 3: What are we arguing about right now? He wasn't a

1095
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 3: good player.

1096
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 9: What are we arguing about?

1097
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know, but it sounded good. He

1098
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 3: always brings the passion.

1099
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 4: I appreciate you.

1100
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: Than I know I did. I never said to Kila

1101
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: is a good player? I know you just said that

1102
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: it was the idea was It was clear that they

1103
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: had an idea of improving the offense, and just everything

1104
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: they did didn't work right. Like they deserve criticism for

1105
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: picking the wrong guys.

1106
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1107
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, could you feel the hill turn on that one?

1108
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 3: On that calle age he was talking about his phone

1109
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, he's like.

1110
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 8: And Evan and they were just like you were my boy.

1111
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 5: I'm not allowed to say that they that they tried

1112
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 5: by drafting to kill Harry but just can't. Even if

1113
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 5: it's not negative involving that guy, then it's just killed.

1114
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: Let's head down to North Cakilaki, see what Todd has

1115
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 3: to say. Hey Todd, how guys?

1116
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 9: I want you guys to get on Deuce now, since

1117
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 9: we've already talked Evan. Deuce was on another show and

1118
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 9: he was like Debbie Downer, you know, he was god.

1119
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 12: He was that different than usually made heart sound like

1120
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 12: the positive.

1121
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: Heart was all over me about my my negativity. But

1122
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: I didn't believe you were bad.

1123
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 9: I didn't even know what you say.

1124
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 12: I thought it was like Eric Skeal.

1125
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: Said they were going to go nine to eight. I

1126
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: mean that's optimistic.

1127
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 9: Building on that, That's going to be my question. What

1128
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 9: do you think the record will be this year? And

1129
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 9: give me one positive thing that's going to lead to

1130
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 9: it and maybe one thing that's going to hold them back,

1131
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 9: and that's that's all I'm gonna watch. I don't want

1132
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 9: too much negativity, Duck.

1133
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: I don't like doing records either, but I think that

1134
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: there'll be similar in record as they were last year.

1135
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: And the reason for my optimism is Bill O'Brien, right,

1136
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: My reason for negativity is an overall lack of weaponry

1137
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: and explosiveness on offense. Yep, it's a fair point. I

1138
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: agree that is that general and broad enough.

1139
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 5: Their schedule what one of the hardest of the league.

1140
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 5: It's one of the hardest in the league. Whether you

1141
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 5: look at Vegas you know, win totals or like advanced

1142
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 5: metrics or whatever. They have a top five hardest schedule

1143
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 5: in the league by pretty much every measure.

1144
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: And I think that when we look at what the

1145
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 3: Patriots have done, and I do think that I'm encouraged

1146
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: by the draft because I think they got, especially at

1147
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 3: the top of the draft, guys that can help right

1148
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: away at least I really really hope. So if they haven't,

1149
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: then we have we're having a different a different problem

1150
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 3: in a different conversation down the road. Okay, I think

1151
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: there's reasons to be encouraged by that, but that isn't

1152
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: necessarily well. People automatically looking they say, well, they won

1153
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: X one year and they added this, this and this,

1154
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: so they're gonna win X times three. And it doesn't

1155
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: work that way because the other teams have done that too,

1156
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: change too, and you have to play some teams that

1157
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 3: you didn't have to play last year that are good

1158
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: that So in other words, maybe if you played the

1159
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: schedule that they're playing right now last year, with what

1160
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 3: they had, maybe they would have been lucky to win

1161
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: five games. So now you've you're adding, well, they've added

1162
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: to that what they had last year, so instead of five,

1163
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: they win seven or eight. You know, that's you know,

1164
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 3: like it's impossible to go just year to year. And

1165
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: the other thing is what we were talking about with

1166
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: the schedule at the very beginning. Detroit is on the

1167
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 3: opener right because right now people were saying, huh, if

1168
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: I had to make a pick for NFC North Champ,

1169
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: I'd go with the Lions. I think I might do that.

1170
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 3: I might feel that way too. Sure, I ain't gonna

1171
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 3: be surprised if they're like six and eleven, No, no way.

1172
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's a the schedule, never know, because I'm

1173
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 5: and I know this is hard to believe because I've

1174
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 5: been pretty negative at times about this team this offseason,

1175
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 5: but I'm actually cautiously optimistic that they're going to be

1176
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 5: better than people think. I just I like I think

1177
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 5: that angle of it, and from a mindset standpoint, I

1178
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 5: do think that that Bill still still thrives off of that,

1179
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 5: Like I think he can use that, and I think

1180
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 5: he can thrive off of that. And I keep going

1181
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 5: back to the fact that they won eight games with

1182
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 5: everything that we now know that was going on on offense,

1183
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 5: and they still clawed their way to eight wins. So

1184
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 5: with Bill O'Brien, it should be better if the schedule

1185
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 5: was easier than I would predict a lot more wins

1186
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 5: than I think some people would, like I'd say they

1187
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 5: could win ten or eleven games, yeah, but the schedule

1188
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 5: isn't so.

1189
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I would, I would look at last year, right,

1190
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: just specifically last year, I think that they probably would

1191
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: have won the Raiders game if Bill O'Bryan was the

1192
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: coordinator because I don't think they would have been behind

1193
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: seventeen to three in the first place, right, you know,

1194
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: to have to make the comeback that they did, you

1195
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 3: know before ultimately losing the game. I think that's an

1196
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: example of how it could be better. But it doesn't

1197
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: work that way because you don't know what the Raiders

1198
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: are this year, and you don't know what you know.

1199
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 3: How that's all gonna unfold you. You were studiously looking

1200
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: at your phone. Well, I wanted to bring up the

1201
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: Mike Gardi tweet from a few days ago, which we

1202
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 3: didn't talk about it. I just thought it was interesting.

1203
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien's impact already being felt in Foxborough talked to

1204
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: a source who said the receiving group, for whatever reasons,

1205
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: last year coaching talent attitude. There were a lot of

1206
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: bad plays on tape this year that won't be tolerated.

1207
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 3: To do it right or you'll be standing next to

1208
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 3: him watching. I just thought that was interesting for a

1209
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 3: you differently understand if you no, I know, And that's

1210
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1211
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 6: There are some things in like I mean, I think

1212
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 6: the thing on tape which we talked about last year

1213
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 6: during the show where it was just like, you know,

1214
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 6: I mean, evn't talked the spacing being completely off, you know,

1215
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 6: not knowing where you're going. I mean, all those things,

1216
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 6: and you know we can talk about which guys were

1217
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 6: you know, we're kind of the prime suspects.

1218
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 3: With that stuff consistently. But I don't know, I just

1219
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: it was less the content of it that interest did me, Paul,

1220
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 3: and more just like this is the message we're getting

1221
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: out right now that that stuff won't be tolerated this year,

1222
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, and which not imprising with Bill O'Brien, but

1223
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 3: I just thought my thing is, I don't think it

1224
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: was tolerated last year. I think that when we were

1225
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 3: sitting here on various postgame shows wondering, where's Kendrick Bourne,

1226
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 3: Where's you know, where's Devonte Parker this week? Why does

1227
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: DeVante Parker have one hundred yards this week and then

1228
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 3: the next three weeks combined he has thirty? Right, I

1229
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: think they weren't tolerated last year. And unless you're telling

1230
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: me that the biggest culprits of not doing what they

1231
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: were supposed to do were Jacoby Myers and John Smith

1232
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: and they've been replaced with guys that will do what

1233
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 3: they're supposed to do. I don't really know how that works.

1234
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think last year the biggest thing, and

1235
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 5: we talked a lot about the spacing and things like that.

1236
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 5: I think the problem with that stuff was that it

1237
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 5: just never seemed to get corrected because it never got

1238
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 5: better on film, Like so if it was okay, we

1239
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 5: had these issues in week six, but then by week

1240
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 5: twelve we were better at it, then it's like, okay, well,

1241
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 5: then proper corrections in the proper coaching points are being

1242
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 5: put through the players, but it just never they never

1243
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 5: got it down.

1244
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 3: And I think the biggest thing is when you look

1245
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: at offense, that's a good point and I will fix. Yeah.

1246
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 5: I think offense is like this, especially when you tell

1247
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 5: a player that you're running a five yard out. It

1248
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 5: being a five yard out matters. It being a six

1249
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 5: yard out is not what we have in the playbook.

1250
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 5: The playbook says it needs to be a five yard out,

1251
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 5: and that those types of things. I go back to

1252
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 5: what Logan Ryan said the other day about about Bill

1253
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 5: and that he had that ability to look around the

1254
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 5: field and know what everybody you did wrong or right

1255
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 5: on a play and correct.

1256
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: Unles you're asking about it in the post game, Yeah.

1257
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 5: Correct eight, ten, twelve guys maybe on one play on

1258
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 5: both sides of the football, and those that type of

1259
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 5: ability to see it live and in real time is

1260
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 5: so valuable that I think a guy like Bill O'Brien

1261
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 5: can do that because he coaches offense and he knows

1262
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 5: offense inside and out. So when they're out on the

1263
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 5: practice field and you know, someone runs a four step

1264
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 5: slant instead of a three step slant, he's going to say, hey,

1265
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 5: so this is supposed to be in three right, Like

1266
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 5: you're supposed to break on three steps here, And the

1267
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 5: reason is because when you didn't break in three steps, well,

1268
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 5: now this guy's route is now hugging into your route,

1269
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 5: which is now bringing this defender into your pathway. And

1270
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 5: that's how those kind of domino effects happen. So I'm

1271
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 5: hopeful that those little details are going to get cleaned up.

1272
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 5: He's not going to make these players exceptionally more athletic

1273
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 5: or faster, or it's more explosive, but if they can

1274
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 5: be better at those little details like how many times

1275
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 5: last year did it feel like it was third and

1276
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 5: seven and then they ran a five yard pattern and

1277
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 5: you're just like, that's what how do you use?

1278
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 3: That's what I meant, like, I didn't really understand the

1279
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 3: way the tweet was worded, because I agree with Evan

1280
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: in this regard that Bill O'Brien will set up an

1281
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 3: offense and he'll structure it in a manner that makes

1282
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: much more sense. We've I've already seen it. It's not

1283
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 3: like something and we have to sort of project. I

1284
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 3: saw him here. I know he can set up an offense,

1285
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: so and I didn't have that confidence with the guys

1286
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 3: that were doing it last year, fairly or unfairly. I

1287
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: didn't think Matt Patricier and Joe Judge were equipped to

1288
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: do those sort of adjustments. But in terms of like

1289
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 3: accountability and they they'd never fixed it. But I think

1290
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: they never fixed the structure of the offense. They never

1291
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 3: fixed the system itself. It wasn't because of guys doing

1292
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: the same things over and over again and just continuing

1293
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 3: to play. Otherwise we wouldn't have spent so much time

1294
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: wondering where specifically Kendrick Bourne was. And my contention all

1295
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 3: year was Kendrick Bourne doesn't play more because at least

1296
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: once a game when he plays significant snaps, I noticed

1297
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: him doing something blatantly wrong, whether it's lining up in

1298
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: the wrong spot, moving when he shouldn't move, or knocking

1299
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: John hus Smith over on across with people, you know,

1300
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: I saw him do something wrong on a consistent basis.

1301
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: He kept not playing right. Then he would go back

1302
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: and play and make a mistake. Then he wouldn't play

1303
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 3: and people would say where is he He's Jerry Rice,

1304
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: you know, why why are we losing this you know,

1305
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: dangerous weapon? To me, that was why he wasn't consistently playing. Yeah,

1306
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 3: I just remember there was I can't remember. It was

1307
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: late in the season.

1308
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 5: I can't remember the exact game, but they ran a

1309
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 5: route combination to the right side where one guy ran

1310
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 5: an under and one guy ran and out and they

1311
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 5: just ran right into each other. And I was like,

1312
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 5: there's no way that when they put that play on

1313
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 5: the whiteboard that that's the way that it looks. So

1314
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 5: either somebody had the wrong play or the wrong route,

1315
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 5: you know, in that sequence of play, or there there

1316
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 5: had to have been some sort of a disconnect and

1317
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 5: it wasn't when they put it out on the whiteboard.

1318
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 5: They drew up a play where two guys were gonna

1319
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 5: collide like that.

1320
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: I would put Thornton in there too, Like there were

1321
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: times where he's like coming across maybe in his zone,

1322
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: and the throw was a little bit and it looks like, oh,

1323
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 3: that's a terrible throw by back and surprise here. I

1324
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 3: don't always think that was the case. I think that

1325
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 3: there were times where he was expecting him to sit

1326
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 3: in the zone or stop his route or you know,

1327
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 3: he had that problem and he would just keep going.

1328
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: He would drift and get himself in trouble, and it

1329
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: just didn't it didn't look right. Yeah, there a lot

1330
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: of stuff in between the hashes with th Whart, and

1331
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: I thought last year it didn't look like that's the

1332
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: way it's drawn up.

1333
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 5: I wonder in like college, like, I don't know how

1334
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 5: much sitting in zone versus running away and man is

1335
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 5: like how much they are I'm.

1336
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 3: Talking about that and you know me, like I'm throwing

1337
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 3: terms out, like I don't know if that was well,

1338
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 3: it just didn't look right now. No, you're one hundred

1339
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 3: percent right.

1340
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 5: I felt the same way, and I I that's the

1341
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 5: old the old cliche is you sit in zone and

1342
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 5: you run away from man, like that's that's the way

1343
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 5: that it's done.

1344
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: And and you're coming over the middle.

1345
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 5: You gotta find those soft spots and you gotta you know,

1346
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 5: know the distribution of the zones underneath and figure out, Okay,

1347
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 5: this is where I can sit running a shallow crosser

1348
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 5: across the middle of the field. When there's three zone

1349
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 5: guys sitting right, you're just asking for your head to

1350
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 5: get taken off.

1351
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: But Mike, we can all agree that the setup of

1352
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 3: the offense and the organization of the offense will be

1353
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: much improved. I like that postivity from Paul. I love Billy.

1354
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 3: Let's grab one of these calls here across the pond, Jordan,

1355
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 3: thank you for holding on. How are you?

1356
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 12: Yeah good?

1357
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: Jens, how are you good good?

1358
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 12: You just propped on the kind of the coaching side

1359
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 12: of it. On offense, you think it's the owners of meetings.

1360
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 12: Belichick said stuff about special teams about how he didn't

1361
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 12: think coaching was the problem. You know, we were number

1362
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 12: one in special teams two years ago, but so you know,

1363
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 12: how can that be the problem last year for while

1364
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 12: they were so bad?

1365
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 13: Which doesn't make sense to me.

1366
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 12: But in terms of look at me as if he's

1367
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 12: blaming the players for last year's performance. He's changed kicker punk,

1368
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 12: we signed a special teams guy and free agency as well.

1369
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 12: But on offense, we've changed the coordinator and the players

1370
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 12: are basically the same.

1371
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 13: How do you guys see how.

1372
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 12: Belichick thinks about the blame from last year players was

1373
00:59:59,160 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 12: his coaching?

1374
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, thank short.

1375
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 6: And I don't know if you guys want to jump

1376
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 6: on it, but I mean I mean, I do think

1377
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 6: that he I mean, look, Patricia's gone, Joe Judge is

1378
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 6: supposedly helping out with the special team. So I don't

1379
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 6: think it's entirely just like we're just going to let

1380
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 6: the coaching stay the same. I don't know how much

1381
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 6: of an impact you know, that that actually has, but

1382
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 6: you know, and I do think we were talking about

1383
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 6: on the show on Tuesday that they've added a lot

1384
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 6: of special teams tight players in the draft and in

1385
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 6: free agency, so.

1386
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 3: They've also retained a lot of them. Yeah, I mean,

1387
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 3: so it's a big mush of you know, guys like

1388
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 3: Slater and Cody Davis, but you know, also bringing in macmcmillan,

1389
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 3: bringing back Chris then signing Chris Board, like Chris Board

1390
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 3: really was the only free agent addition in that regard.

1391
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: Everybody else was retained. And I do think that he

1392
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 3: thinks that it was more players than coach on special teams.

1393
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 3: I for sure, Cardona and now like it again, and

1394
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: I've said this many times, just so I don't get

1395
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,479
Speaker 3: a blod back in my face. I do not count

1396
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 3: specialists with special teams like Nick Folk and Jake Bailey

1397
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 3: weren't responsible for allowing three touchdowns. Like I understand the

1398
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: kickoff itself, and that was circumstantial because your kickoff guy

1399
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 3: was unavailable, he wasn't on the field, he wasn't actively

1400
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 3: on the field the last whatever many games, six eight games.

1401
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 3: So someone's going to kick off into the end zone

1402
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: this year. That's so that's different. I'm talking about the

1403
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: guys actually covering, the guys running into the punter, the

1404
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 3: guys you know, allowing you know, get they're all they're

1405
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: all going to be largely the same guys that are

1406
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: that are doing those roles. Hopefully a mere speed or

1407
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 3: with Bolden's first night, Okay, hopefully some of these guys,

1408
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 3: can you know, Marte Mapu, he pushes Mac Wilson off

1409
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 3: the roster, That to me would be a positive development.

1410
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 3: But we'll see. Yeah.

1411
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 5: I do definitely agree with the caller though that they

1412
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 5: they feel that Special Teams was personnel largely driven by

1413
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 5: by personnel issues and not coaching. And I we've observed

1414
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 5: Cam Accord and obviously I've talked to him. I think

1415
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 5: he's a good coach, and I think with Special Teams

1416
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 5: you really need to understand the nuances because it's a

1417
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 5: very unique thing, like I gotta admit, like it's a

1418
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 5: blind spot for me, Like I don't understand the difference

1419
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 5: between L three and L four, Like I couldn't tell you,

1420
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 5: but I could tell you the difference between this route

1421
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 5: that route, and you know this coverage that coverage. It's

1422
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 5: it's a it's its own world. And I do think

1423
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 5: that cam Accord has the knowledge, and I think that

1424
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 5: he's a good teacher because he teaches us, like we

1425
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 5: asked questions because we're dumb, so we we literally ask

1426
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 5: him questions and we're like, hey, like teach us, like

1427
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 5: what is the difference between this and this? And he

1428
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 5: he'll sit there and give great explanations to the media.

1429
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 5: So I'm sure that he gives great explanations to the players.

1430
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 5: I think last year, for some reason, that it carried

1431
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 5: over from offense to other phases. To be honest with you,

1432
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 5: that attention to detail just wasn't there.

1433
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 3: I feel like Bill in general, and this is unfair

1434
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: because I don't know for sure how he feels. I

1435
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 3: think Bill in general thinks all problems are more personnel

1436
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 3: related and execution related. It's not necessarily like we had

1437
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 3: this bad game plan and we didn't have a good play,

1438
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: like right, go out and execute the play and it'll work.

1439
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 5: That's that's how he thinks for execution. Like I not

1440
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 5: to go on a Celtics ramp, but Missoula loves to

1441
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 5: say that, loves to say.

1442
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 3: Except for when they have eighteen seconds left in the

1443
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 3: game and it was great execution, except that they didn't

1444
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 3: get a shot right, right.

1445
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 5: Right, And you know he's sitting there saying, oh, yeah,

1446
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 5: you know, the execution in that situation could have been better.

1447
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 5: And it's like for the Celtics, I look at it

1448
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 5: and I say, Okay, talent on the floor, you probably

1449
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 5: have it, like you got to all NBA players, you

1450
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 5: got Marcus Smart's one dude like you probably, But with

1451
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 5: this team and it sometimes it is talent, Like sometimes

1452
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 5: you got to look at it and realize that they're

1453
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 5: not out executing the other team because the other team

1454
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 5: has better players than you do. So I think a

1455
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 5: lot of those players got changed out in some spots.

1456
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like what keeps popping out to me

1457
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: is just you know, and it's these guys that I think,

1458
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:00,959
Speaker 3: you know, you're referring.

1459
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 6: To the Raleigh Webbs of the world. You know these

1460
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 6: Brendan schooler. We didn't even mention him as you know.

1461
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 3: So it's like all those guys. I just it's gonna

1462
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 3: be interesting how this all plays out here in camp

1463
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 3: and then maybe we'll get a glimpse and in a

1464
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 3: couple of weeks of what the special and that's what Like,

1465
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: I think that those kinds of guys now map who

1466
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: obviously will be on the roster. Third round picks don't

1467
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 3: get cut unless they do something wrong. But the seventh

1468
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 3: round picks, they can. They earn jobs over you know,

1469
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 3: four or five year veterans that have been largely just

1470
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 3: playing on special teams. Yeah, I think that would be

1471
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 3: a good sign if if they're thought of that. Well,

1472
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 3: well I got some stuff for you guys after the break.

1473
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: Plenty of great emails that we have yet to get to. Also,

1474
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 3: I talked to his Abeolin's coach at Jackson State yesterday, Well,

1475
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 3: a guy that replaced Dion. Great conversation. So I'll tell

1476
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 3: you a little bit about that after the break. We're

1477
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 3: gonna have some food we'll catch after this.

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Speaker 7: Patriots fans, you'll want to check out the replay on

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Speaker 7: this one. Pat the Patriot is stealing the show tonight

1632
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Speaker 7: with his Bank of America mobile banking app.

1633
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Speaker 15: That's right, folks, So here we see Pat cheering and

1634
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Speaker 7: Looks like he's saving up for some big future moves,

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Speaker 7: planning the next VACA hop, big guy.

1637
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Speaker 15: And wait, now he's paying back his buddy for concessions

1638
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Speaker 15: using zel no penalty there.

1639
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Speaker 8: Incredible, no way.

1640
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Speaker 7: As if that double move wasn't impressive enough, Now he's

1641
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Speaker 7: beefing up his account defense with security meter.

1642
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Speaker 8: Holy Connoli, what a performance.

1643
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Speaker 15: Bank of America's digital tools are so impressive. Patriot fans

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Speaker 15: Verizon, the network America relies on, and the official five

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Speaker 1: And now great moments in.

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Speaker 3: History.

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Speaker 8: And yet I was still nice enough to invite you along.

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Speaker 4: Yes, very nice. There were like six of us. I

1664
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Speaker 4: mean the place was, say, Fred was the you know

1665
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Speaker 4: what block? Why are you mad at me?

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Speaker 8: Why why, he says, with the big grin across his face.

1667
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Speaker 4: Why are you so upset?

1668
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Speaker 3: What I'm upset at you?

1669
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Speaker 10: Why?

1670
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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Just you?

1672
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Speaker 4: All of our lives are open book.

1673
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Speaker 8: Why is it you are? Why you purposely do these things? Yes?

1674
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Speaker 4: I do, yes, yes, I do talk. We all talk

1675
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Speaker 4: about things going on.

1676
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Speaker 8: You make things out of thin air that are not there.

1677
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Speaker 4: What's thin air? You were with a lady friend? What's

1678
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Speaker 4: what's thin air about that?

1679
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Speaker 8: No, a lady friend implies that there's something going on,

1680
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Speaker 8: and she wrote.

1681
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Speaker 3: That's the end of it, dude, look like but it

1682
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Speaker 3: doesn't have to be it.

1683
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Speaker 8: It is because I told you yesterday, and I don't

1684
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Speaker 8: like it when you make me repeat myself. It sounds

1685
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Speaker 8: like my father.

1686
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Speaker 4: You think I'm screwing things up for you.

1687
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Speaker 8: Just tell me you've been screwing things up for me

1688
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Speaker 8: for twelve years. Buddy. Did you specifically tell him not

1689
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 8: to mention it?

1690
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 7: No?

1691
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Speaker 8: I knew he was going as soon as he walked

1692
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Speaker 8: up and saw us. He had that stupid grin that

1693
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Speaker 8: he's got on his face right now.

1694
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Speaker 3: I can so see it.

1695
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Speaker 4: I won't mention it again, But if when something happens,

1696
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Speaker 4: could you let us know nothing is going to happen,

1697
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 4: you know, like if they you know, if they decide to.

1698
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Speaker 3: Nothing is going to happen.

1699
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Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with And why are you yelling at me?

1700
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 8: I didn't do anything because you're joking around to him

1701
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Speaker 8: on a little Yes.

1702
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 3: You did admit it, but this is all Fred.

1703
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 4: I don't Okay, what'd you guys eat?

1704
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Speaker 3: Did I miss that point?

1705
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 4: I had swordfish? That's another great moment from.

1706
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 3: Swordfish. Used to get swordfish during the show? Not here?

1707
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 3: What were you guys? Was that a draft show or something?

1708
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1709
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 15: No classic where Fred saw Eric on a date and

1710
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 15: crashed it.

1711
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Speaker 3: Oh that's great.

1712
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Speaker 6: And now it ties into this email that I was

1713
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 6: sitting on that I from Jake from Chicago that I

1714
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 6: wanted to to read, and I think Paul might have

1715
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 6: to be the one to provide this insight. But hey, guys,

1716
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 6: new listener, I always hear the references to Eric. Never

1717
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 6: listened when he was on the show. Is there a

1718
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 6: specific show that is must listen to to truly understand

1719
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 6: the references you all make to him. I feel like

1720
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 6: I need even just a clip to truly appreciate what

1721
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 6: he brought or took away from the show, and he

1722
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Speaker 6: would love the show and the entertaining perspective you all bring.

1723
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that clip was pretty good, Paul,

1724
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Speaker 6: but if there were some other Eric moments. But but

1725
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Speaker 6: I mean every Joiners paint the picture.

1726
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric, I mean obviously worked here for a long time.

1727
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 3: I would say Andy and I were much more into

1728
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 3: the Patriots in football in general, especially football because Eric

1729
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 3: was into the Patriots, but not like as passionately as

1730
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 3: we were in terms of the league itself. So that

1731
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 3: was for starters. He kind of carried himself as being

1732
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 3: above the fray intellectual. Yeah, I was trying to be nice.

1733
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 3: He in doing so, I think he opened himself up

1734
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 3: to a lot of those kinds of stories. Well, it's

1735
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 3: funny it says criticisms. I was talking to Evan about

1736
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 3: it too. It's like you kind of become a character

1737
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 3: on the show. And Eric certainly was a character, but

1738
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 3: he was also you know, a great guy and you

1739
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 3: know all the things you pick on him for, but

1740
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 3: he was He was the only favorite of the show

1741
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 3: that is really completely authentic is as soon as the

1742
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 3: show was over, Evan does actually just watch video just watches,

1743
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 3: take watches all twenty two all the time, and if

1744
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 3: he's not doing that, he's at a Bruins or Celtics

1745
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 3: playoff his dog.

1746
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 5: But the first, my first interaction with Eric back in

1747
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 5: eighteen when I first started UH, he was standing with

1748
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 5: Aaron Sulkin from PR, and so I thought he was

1749
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 5: in PR.

1750
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 3: I didn't know who he was, so I went up

1751
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 3: to him. That's the perfect thing that would piss him,

1752
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 3: all right.

1753
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 5: So I went up to him and I asked him

1754
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 5: if he had a roster. No, you did it, and

1755
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 5: he mocked you, and he looked at me like he

1756
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 5: wanted to punch me in the face.

1757
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 3: I can totally see. This is the first I've ever

1758
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 3: heard of the story what happened? And he was like

1759
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,560
Speaker 3: it is Scully cap On and ask me or like

1760
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 3: something like that. And I was just like, oh, sorry,

1761
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 3: Like I thought you were standing with whereas Andy or

1762
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 3: Mike or myself, Like, yeah, I mean you have a

1763
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 3: roster for for Forevan.

1764
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 7: No.

1765
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 3: He looked at me like, I why would you assume

1766
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 3: I'm not in PR? I write long form features?

1767
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then so I remember I I walked away

1768
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 5: from him, and I recognize because I realized I asked

1769
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 5: the wrong person, so I walked away from him staring

1770
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 5: at you. I asked somebody, Uh, hey, you know who's

1771
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 5: that Who's that guy over there? I've never met him before.

1772
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 5: They were like, oh, that's Eric Scalvino, like he writes

1773
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 5: for Patriots dot Com.

1774
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, uh, like, pr my, apologize, mister Skelvino.

1775
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 3: I just I just wanted to apologize for earlier. Idealy

1776
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 3: who you were? You there?

1777
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 18: It is?

1778
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's uh, let's go back to the phones here

1779
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,799
Speaker 3: real quick before we dive into the email. Sean and Vancouver.

1780
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:51,600
Speaker 3: Hey Sean, how are you?

1781
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 12: Hey?

1782
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 14: Guys, Mike, have a couple of things now, Paul. Earlier

1783
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 14: you were talking about running back and how they might

1784
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 14: not get on as much as a rookie because of

1785
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 14: the responsibilities in the passing game, blocking schemes. I wonder

1786
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 14: if that extends to tackle. Now what we've mentioned that

1787
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 14: they didn't draft a tackle because they're happy with who

1788
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 14: they have in the room, And I wonder if it's

1789
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 14: also extends to the experience, like Rillery been in the

1790
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 14: league for a long time, maybe he's going to be

1791
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 14: better at picking up those type of things. When it

1792
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 14: comes to protecting on passing plays. I don't know if

1793
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 14: that's their thinking, but that might be one thing.

1794
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1795
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 3: I think in general Bill doesn't love giving really big

1796
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,480
Speaker 3: roles to rookies. I think he's been sort of reluctant

1797
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 3: to do that periodically over a long period of time.

1798
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,759
Speaker 3: But I would say with tackle, yeah, I think ideally

1799
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 3: you draft a tackle in the first round and he's

1800
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 3: your third tackle. Yeah, but I don't think that's why

1801
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,560
Speaker 3: they didn't take a tackle because he's not going to

1802
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 3: play anyway, because now you're just have the same problem

1803
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 3: next year. Yeah, if you don't want to play a

1804
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 3: young tackle.

1805
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 5: I do feel like tackle two to some degree, it's

1806
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 5: just like you kind of blocked the guy across from you.

1807
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's offensive line play. Yeah.

1808
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 5: I mean there's obviously slide, no disrespect to my son.

1809
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 5: If they put two guys over you, you got to

1810
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 5: you know, sort that out and things like that. But

1811
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 5: for the most part, I think, you know, eighty percent

1812
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 5: of the time, it's just like, if you're a left tackle,

1813
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 5: the guys lining up over you, Matthew Judon's across from you,

1814
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 5: you're blocking Matthew Judon, you.

1815
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, and I do think, Sean, I do think

1816
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 3: that Bill probably looks at that and says, that's that's

1817
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 3: asking a lot of a young rookie tackle to step

1818
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 3: in week one and just perform. But he's done that.

1819
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 3: Matt Light Matt like, I was just gonna bring him

1820
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 3: right out of the right out of the shoot in

1821
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 3: two thousand and one as a second round rookie and

1822
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 3: obviously perform well. And Soldier ended up having to play.

1823
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 3: I think the idea going into that year was for

1824
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 3: him to sit and be the third tackle, but then

1825
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 3: Volmer got hurt and he had to start really the

1826
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 3: bulk of the season. I just feel like, in general,

1827
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 3: Bill would rather not have to rely on rookies. I

1828
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 3: think he's a big experience guy.

1829
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1830
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 9: That.

1831
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 14: My other thing has to do with the draft. It's

1832
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 14: a weird kind of observation, but there were basically seventeen

1833
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 14: players invited to the draft party, and we saw, you know,

1834
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 14: for nine players seventeen.

1835
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 3: Can I just interrupt you for one second, Sean, because

1836
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 3: a lot of people have said that there was seventeen

1837
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 3: people that went to the draft party.

1838
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:35,839
Speaker 14: Right, more invited?

1839
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 17: Right?

1840
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 3: There was countless more invited. There was seventeen that said yes,

1841
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:42,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to make it out to be. In

1842
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 3: other words, that Keon White, who I just had a

1843
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,560
Speaker 3: really good conversation with his coach, was one of the

1844
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 3: seventeen people that they chose to go. No, there was

1845
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 3: like a lot of people and most people said no,

1846
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 3: they didn't want to go get to that.

1847
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 14: So there was the first nine that showed up. They

1848
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 14: all hugged Goodell, right, and then you had a few

1849
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 14: you know who didn't show up, And then you had

1850
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 14: when it came to seventeen, you had Gonzales come up

1851
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 14: and there.

1852
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 3: Was no hug.

1853
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 14: It was just a handshake, and then good couple after

1854
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 14: that they were hugged again. So is there is there

1855
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 14: something going on with that? Like the Patriots don't get

1856
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 14: along with Goodell obviously, but this Patriots famous.

1857
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think they called like we just

1858
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 3: drafted you and you better on hug Goodell.

1859
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 9: No.

1860
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 5: I don't think Christian Gonzalez from the five minutes that

1861
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 5: we got to sit with them, doesn't seem like a

1862
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 5: hugger to me.

1863
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't seem I wouldn't read anything into it

1864
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 3: at all. But I can tell you that the Patriots.

1865
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 3: Both Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft have a very strong

1866
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 3: relationship with Roger Goodell. I know that probably upsets some

1867
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 3: element of Patriots fans, but it's it's it's true. It's

1868
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 3: they get along very very well. Thanks Sean.

1869
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 14: Okay, all right, that's.

1870
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 3: All you got.

1871
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 5: All right, that's those are some good details, though I

1872
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,719
Speaker 5: would not I do not watch who see who hugs

1873
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 5: it and shakes and who lifts him off the ground.

1874
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 10: I know that.

1875
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 3: And you know, Mike, you had said before we went

1876
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 3: to that break that you had talked to Zay Bolden

1877
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 3: coach Taylor. Coach t C. Taylor, who I do remember, Yeah,

1878
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 3: was here as a undrafted rookie one hundred years ago

1879
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 3: and two thousand and two you said you had a

1880
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 3: good conversation with Yeah, it was fun.

1881
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 6: Just uh, I mean, obviously Deon Sanders had moved on,

1882
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 6: but you know, got a little bit of insight from them,

1883
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 6: just on on Zay and the kind of kid he was.

1884
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 6: And and you know that information about coach Taylor being

1885
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 6: here in two thousand and two, just like you don't

1886
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 6: realize it. And then the assistant ad said, you know, hey,

1887
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 6: I don't know if you realize this, but but then

1888
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 6: filled me in on that. So it was fun just

1889
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 6: to I said, look, I know things have changed in

1890
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 6: twenty years, but you know, just from your experience here

1891
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 6: what kind of things you have to say to Zay and.

1892
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 3: You know what to prepare him for, prepare himself for.

1893
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 3: So it was it was good.

1894
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 6: I mean, I just these these we all do these profiles,

1895
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 6: and I really kind of enjoyed just getting to talk

1896
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 6: to the coaches and just you know, of course they're

1897
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 6: going to be for their player and it's all going

1898
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 6: to be positive, but it's also just, you know, fun

1899
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 6: to get to see these coaches who work with these

1900
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 6: players and are now getting a chance to see these

1901
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 6: players go on and you know, achieve their dreams of

1902
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 6: at least being drafted. You don't know what where they're

1903
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 6: going to end up, but it was cool and I

1904
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 6: think we're wrapping them up. We all are just about

1905
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,480
Speaker 6: Don Evans went today on Jake Andrews.

1906
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and I wrapped up keyon White today

1907
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 3: and I had mentioned that I had talked to Brent Key,

1908
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 3: who was the new head coach at Georgia Tech. He

1909
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 3: took over on an interim basis early last season, went

1910
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 3: four and four after a real tough start, and earned

1911
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 3: the full time job, and obviously spoke very highly of

1912
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 3: Keon White, as Mike said, most of these coaches do that.

1913
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 3: But it was funny, like he had talked about, you know,

1914
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 3: the same impressions that we got of that video clip

1915
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 3: of how serious he was, and he said that he

1916
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 3: was taken aback by it when he first came. When

1917
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,919
Speaker 3: in twenty one, when Keon White came from Old Dominion

1918
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 3: and transferred to to Georgia Tech, he was taken it back.

1919
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 3: And I was like, what's what's up with this guy?

1920
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 3: What's his problem? He goes as he and a wolf

1921
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,600
Speaker 3: like he was thinking to himself, and he sort of

1922
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 3: got to know him and and sort of understand what

1923
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 3: makes him ticket He's like that all the time. It's

1924
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 3: it's authentic. That's that's who he is. He's very serious,

1925
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 3: very mature. He said. He's he's older as it is,

1926
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 3: you know, for but he's like more mature beyond that

1927
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 3: even his advanced age. So this is kind of the

1928
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 3: seriousness that you get. But he said, don't mistake that

1929
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 3: for you know, like a lack of passion, caring. Yeah, like,

1930
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 3: he is very passionate about what he does. He was

1931
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 3: great at sort of holding the locker room accountable really,

1932
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 3: you know, on defense, especially last year, he would set

1933
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 3: up one of the things that he told me, he

1934
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 3: would set up these contests. They would have two out

1935
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 3: of three matches short yardage on Tuesdays at practice, and

1936
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 3: when the defense lost, it wasn't just we lost today, No,

1937
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 3: he made sure that they were accountable. So he felt

1938
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 3: like that was really good for him. This is Key

1939
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 3: talking now. It was good for me because I'm trying

1940
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 3: to like earn the respect of this locker room, and

1941
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 3: I had this guy really doing everything he could to

1942
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 3: make sure that everybody was doing whatever they could to win,

1943
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 3: and that helped me win over the locker room myself.

1944
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 3: So I think there was a lot of respect there.

1945
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 3: I like hearing that.

1946
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 6: I mean, based on some of the stuff we've been

1947
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 6: talking about of just you know, generally the everybody who

1948
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 6: should be right like those things.

1949
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 3: The way, I'll just tell you guys that Key was

1950
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 3: the offensive line coach at Alabama from sixteen to eighteen ish,

1951
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 3: so he was heavily involved with recruiting Mac Jones and

1952
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 3: obviously went against Christian Barmore in practice and said, I

1953
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 3: don't know how you deal with those two Barmore and White,

1954
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 3: you know, down the road someday if they were, you know,

1955
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 3: hanging out over the A gap as sub rushers in

1956
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 3: sub packages. Uh as the three technique inside, that's the idea.

1957
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,799
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go. You got Jude on on the outside.

1958
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 3: On the other side, it's a good front chasing down

1959
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 3: mobile quarterbacks. I'd like to let you know about Kayshawn Booty,

1960
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 3: but I'm striking out like I'm having a real hard

1961
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 3: time apparently. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not really I mean,

1962
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 3: I'll do respect to Kevin Funck, who I love, love love,

1963
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 3: I'm not really interested in that kind of element I do. Look,

1964
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 3: I love the UH.

1965
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 5: I love doing these draft profiles though, because it's just

1966
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,560
Speaker 5: great to hear what the kid is like in the

1967
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 5: story and and how these guys all got to this point.

1968
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 5: And especially nowadays with with N I L and all

1969
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 5: the transfers that we've had to deal with, and you know,

1970
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 5: go tracking down coaches that actually coach these guys and

1971
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 5: and got to know these guys a little bit. It's

1972
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 5: it's always good to get some of that that background.

1973
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 5: This is what obviously scouting departments do this before the draft,

1974
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 5: and we do you know, we do it after the draft.

1975
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 5: But it's always fascinating when you hear stories like Paul's

1976
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 5: story about Kean White holding everybody accountable at practice. Don't

1977
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 5: you hear these little things about these guys at the

1978
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 5: Patriots drafted and you're like kind of Patriots Like, yeah,

1979
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 5: now I get it.

1980
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 6: The maturity thing too that Paul said, because that was

1981
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 6: the same thing they said about about the kicker Ryland, Like,

1982
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 6: you know, like I mentioned it before it came out

1983
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 6: of the womb, mature.

1984
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,759
Speaker 3: You know, these guys are serious guys, they're into football.

1985
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1986
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 3: I had Actually, it's unfortunate I had an interview scheduled

1987
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 3: for after the show today with Mike Loxley, who is

1988
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 3: Maryland's head coach, and about Chad Ryland, who I already

1989
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 3: wrote the profile on anyway at this point, but he

1990
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 3: unfortunately had to cancel that. So, yeah, uh, you want

1991
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 3: to play a game? Got a little game here?

1992
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 8: A game?

1993
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 3: Would you like to play a game? He would do it? Well, yeah,

1994
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 3: there you go. Toe.

1995
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 6: So Aaron from Kentucky's got a game over unders Bailly's

1996
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 6: Zappi starts a Hey.

1997
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say over. I think in the NFL that nowadays,

1998
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,759
Speaker 3: somebody gets hurt, somebody gets hurt, ball out somebody specific.

1999
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say last year, how many teams had their

2000
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 3: quarterback playoffs the game? Crazy like Josh Allen, Yeah, yeah,

2001
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 3: that's it, Mahomes. I'm gonna sander though Max got it

2002
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 3: this year.

2003
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 6: Uh like the twenty twenty three draft picks that don't

2004
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 6: make the roster two, I guess we say two point five?

2005
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 3: How about two point five over under two ND, I'm

2006
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 3: going over. I'll say over.

2007
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 5: Just they drafted five guys in the last two rounds

2008
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 5: of the draft, like twelve guys altogether.

2009
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, taekwon Thornton touchdowns. Four that better be over.

2010
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I think that's a good prediction. I would

2011
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 5: say four on the on the on the money, I'm

2012
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:42,879
Speaker 5: gonna cheat.

2013
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,679
Speaker 3: Gouda have some long ones. Uh tight end TDS ten

2014
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 3: between Sicki and Hunter Henry. I like that number. I'm

2015
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 3: gonna go. I'm gonna go over. I've been predicting a

2016
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 3: resurgent for Hunter Henry this year, and I think Siki

2017
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 3: will I'll stay over because I think that's a pretty

2018
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 3: modest number for Yeah, tight ends catch the ball to day. Yeah,

2019
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 3: Zapi tds were staying on the Zappie front here, Zappi

2020
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 3: TD's three. So he gets Special Teams TDS too. With

2021
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones and Mario Douglas. Maybe I'll go under the

2022
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 3: undern go over. I'm gonna go over to. I think

2023
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 3: special teams be much better. Yeah, because they got new players.

2024
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 3: Paul gives nod before the Pats before the fourth twice.

2025
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 3: I don't have you given a Patriots nod in the

2026
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 3: last two seasons Detroit. I gave without question. That game

2027
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 3: was over on on like the second fourth down stop, right,

2028
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 3: and they had like four more fourth down stops just

2029
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 3: that well they you know, Board got interviewed and they

2030
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 3: were like, what do you do anything you remember from

2031
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 3: that game? And he was like, nah, but I was

2032
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 3: hoping it would be like we kept going for fourth down.

2033
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I am you got the best

2034
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 3: special teams player in the league, Like, come on, get

2035
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 3: me out there. Probably, if he didn't get signed by

2036
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 3: the Patriots, probably said, yeah, none of our players played.

2037
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 5: What's so weird about that game? Just like mini sidebar here.

2038
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 5: What's so weird about that game is that you would

2039
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 5: expect that that would mean that the Lions are an

2040
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 5: acolytically driven right, because you're going for it on fourth down,

2041
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 5: But then they took a running back and an inside

2042
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 5: linebacker in the first round.

2043
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 3: So it's like, are you are?

2044
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 5: You can decide, right, and you can tell that Dan

2045
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 5: Campbell and their brain trust and Ben Johnson, their offensive coordinator,

2046
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 5: have to be constantly at odds because Dan Campbell's.

2047
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 3: I'm feeling this one. I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it.

2048
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 3: We're gonna tear our kneecaps whatever, right, Yeah, no, I'm

2049
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 3: feeling it. Yard. We gotta feel we got to run

2050
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 3: the ball.

2051
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 5: We gotta get a guy that can stop the run,

2052
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,560
Speaker 5: and we got to control the you know, the linebacker.

2053
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 3: And get Brian Urlacker. In twenty thirteen, they like, they

2054
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 3: had a really good offense last year and they had

2055
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 3: two running backs and Swift and Williams that were very productive.

2056
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,839
Speaker 3: Williams is like like right, like sixty a million touchdowns,

2057
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 3: but they were, but they were very productive, and they said,

2058
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 3: we'll get rid of those two guys and we'll get

2059
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 3: David Montgomery and then we'll draft Gibbs like of just

2060
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 3: shuffling the deck the chairs on the screen. Be a

2061
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 3: nerd or don't be a nerd? Dan Campbell, make up

2062
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 3: your mind? Uh last one? How many weeks does Mike

2063
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 3: drop an expletive out of frustration for the team three under?

2064
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 8: But you will?

2065
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 3: It would definitely be more than one. I appreciate it.

2066
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 20: I haven't.

2067
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 3: I haven't dropped one yet here. We should get a

2068
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 3: deuced cam for the the road games when we're sitting

2069
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 3: in here, that will be. That would be, but we can't.

2070
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 3: You gotta see, like there there are different things like

2071
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 3: beyond just the Patriots ineptitude offensively that like set him

2072
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 3: off last.

2073
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:52,719
Speaker 5: Year mac reactions when Mac is yelling at the sideline,

2074
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 5: I'm sure.

2075
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 3: And then someone will be in here which will really

2076
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 3: get under his skin at that time, and he's like

2077
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 3: trying to kind you know, and I'm like, you know,

2078
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 3: as as I like to say, semi retired so I

2079
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,639
Speaker 3: don't do any writing during the game anymore. And Mike

2080
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 3: is like feverishly and I've been there, I've done it,

2081
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 3: I did it for a hundred years, and feverishly trying

2082
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 3: to get this done so when the start of the

2083
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 3: show comes, you can be focused and have your un

2084
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 3: divided and it'll be like some random like Mike, would

2085
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 3: you think of that. I'm just very good.

2086
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 5: I'm very glad that we have the setup that we

2087
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 5: do because Mike doing like the immediate after the game,

2088
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 5: but I can't.

2089
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 3: It's it's a it's tough for me to do.

2090
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 5: Like it's tough for me to focus on the game

2091
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 5: the way I want to focus on the game and

2092
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 5: chart it and do all the things that I do

2093
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 5: live and then also be writing like a gamer that's

2094
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 5: supposed to publish right when the clockheads zero in the

2095
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 5: fourth course that I'm very glad that we have the

2096
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 5: setup we do.

2097
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 3: Because we've got some time and like I actually start

2098
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 3: the style that Mike does. I started doing when we

2099
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 3: first went digital. Yeah, we first went away from the

2100
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,560
Speaker 3: paper and we started doing postgame shows. I just thought, like,

2101
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 3: you know, sort of quick hit random observations. I used

2102
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 3: to call them random thoughts, and it turned into like

2103
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:12,600
Speaker 3: game observations. What is it called game observations? But what

2104
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,560
Speaker 3: used to happen to me all the time is the

2105
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 3: things that you thought were relevant in the game. You know,

2106
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 3: you'd start stacking up and then clearly there's a pattern developing,

2107
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 3: and as you're writing them, you're writing them in such

2108
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 3: a way that would indicate they won or they lost, right,

2109
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 3: and then when that changes last minute, you're like the

2110
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 3: whole tenor of this is now, Oh well, it's like

2111
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 3: the Marcus Jones punt return, you know, I mean there

2112
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 3: was like it was enhing game. There were two field

2113
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 3: goals in it until that point, and then all of

2114
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 3: a sudden You've got to like completely put the biggest

2115
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 3: point in with like give three minutes before that. Right,

2116
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 3: But at least that's something you do that like that

2117
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 3: was changing. That's your top. Like I'm thinking more along

2118
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 3: the lines of like Pages did a great job in

2119
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 3: past protection and and you know, Dolphins came in, you know,

2120
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 3: leading the league in sacks, the Patriots offensive line completely shut,

2121
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden there's like a strip sack

2122
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 3: three minutes left from the game that cost the Patriots

2123
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 3: of the game. Right, So now I have like six

2124
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 3: points that I've made that are almost irrelevant at this point,

2125
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 3: and like, what do you do?

2126
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 5: That's why That's why I like doing the way that

2127
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 5: we do because I can I get to, you know,

2128
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 5: talk to the guys, fall into that trap and marinate

2129
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 5: it on a little bit.

2130
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 3: But I fell into that trap so many times too.

2131
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 3: It's tough.

2132
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 5: It's tough, but I there is a part of me that,

2133
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 5: you know, I love traveling to the games, like, I

2134
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 5: would not give that up.

2135
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 3: I love doing it. But you guys have some fun

2136
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 3: here too, you know, we do have a lot of

2137
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 3: fun and we have a good like Hardy is really

2138
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 3: good mixing with us, and Matt is here with us

2139
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 3: on Sundays too. But yeah, I mean what I used

2140
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 3: to like about the road games is I never really

2141
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 3: worried about writing because at the time, we didn't post

2142
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 3: right after a game. So I never really worried about

2143
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 3: any writing because I knew I had the plane, Like

2144
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:08,560
Speaker 3: what else you're doing on the plane? Yeah, you know,

2145
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna write on the way home, and you could

2146
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 3: sort of collect your thoughts, formulate a plan, and then

2147
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 3: execute it.

2148
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 9: You know.

2149
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 3: The home games were always different because you're always like,

2150
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 3: I gotta get out of here, you know, I gotta

2151
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 3: get out of here.

2152
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, inside baseball. But now I try to publish

2153
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 5: before we're.

2154
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 3: Wheels up many times I've been done wheels, so when

2155
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 3: the meal comes, I don't I don't have to put

2156
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 3: my laptop down.

2157
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 5: I'm literally like in pocket, like ready to hit publish

2158
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 5: and the plane is going like this, and I'm like

2159
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 5: and yeah, yeah, and I'm just on my hot spot

2160
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 5: on my phone and it's like trying to get like

2161
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 5: make sure that it goes up. Every once in a

2162
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 5: while I have to hit up for and be like, hey,

2163
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 5: like it's written, but I just need somebody to to

2164
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 5: fill in the the all the little boxes and stuff

2165
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 5: like that. And but yeah, it's a it's a it's

2166
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 5: a fun I would. I love going on the road.

2167
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 5: I love being at the game.

2168
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 3: You got to get this. You got to say these

2169
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 3: things now because you can't say them at home. I know, Jess,

2170
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 3: I have to try. It's my burden. I tell her

2171
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:10,679
Speaker 3: all the time. I can't.

2172
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 5: It's really difficult for me to do the detail that

2173
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,719
Speaker 5: I want to get into without seeing the whole field

2174
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 5: and like being there. So watching it on TV to

2175
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 5: me is a little bit like having one hand tied

2176
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,600
Speaker 5: behind my back because I'm at the mercy of the

2177
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 5: camera angles that they're giving me.

2178
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 6: I just think of the contrast for me between the

2179
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 6: away games when we watch it on TV and you're

2180
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 6: you know, you're stuck with what they're showing you, you're

2181
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 6: also getting the peanut gallery. Everybody that's in this room

2182
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 6: is weighing in on their thoughts, so that's you know,

2183
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 6: gonna call it. But and then when we're up in

2184
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 6: the press box, I'm getting what you're saying.

2185
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 3: You're seeing the whole field. You can watch what you want.

2186
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 6: If I want to take my binoculars and just focus

2187
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 6: on one guy for a play, I can do it.

2188
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I I hear exactly where you Yeah.

2189
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 5: And then I always go down to the locker room afterwards,

2190
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 5: and like usually off the record, I'll go up to

2191
01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 5: some players and be like, hey, like I think I

2192
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,400
Speaker 5: saw it this, Like is this my right? Am I

2193
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 5: on the right, And they're like usually they like kind

2194
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 5: of give me a wink, win, nod, nod, and they

2195
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 5: don't actually like tell me like break it down for

2196
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 5: me the way you know some might think.

2197
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 3: But it's it's good. I got an email here from

2198
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 3: Ryan in Atlanta. I liked with craft good story announcing

2199
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 3: Week one with will be Brady's return. I feel it

2200
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 3: appropriate to talk a little bit about some of Tom's

2201
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 3: greatest moments. So what are your favorite moments plays from

2202
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 3: Tom Brady's career that might not get as much coverage

2203
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,639
Speaker 3: as as many Super Bowl comebacks or nail biting AFC

2204
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 3: championship games. For me, the regular season game against the

2205
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 3: Saints in twenty thirteen when he hits Caemberrell Tompkins in

2206
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 3: the end zone with five seconds left to win the

2207
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 3: game was the moment that gets me, as Evan says,

2208
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 3: hot and bothered when I watch it. Sorry for my

2209
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 3: clunk reading there, Ryan Atlanta Hips like, good question. I

2210
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 3: always done it for a Monday night game. Was that

2211
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,680
Speaker 3: last second touchdown to Givens. I want to say in

2212
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 3: the game that Lonnie Packs did attentional safety? Ye yeah,

2213
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 3: snapped the ball the goalpost. That was That was the three.

2214
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 5: That was like one of those games where it was like, okay,

2215
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 5: like Belichick is is doing stuff on a different level

2216
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 5: and Brady is Brady. But like that was one of

2217
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 5: those Patriot games where you're like, all right, they're playing

2218
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 5: they are playing chess.

2219
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 3: You don't know why they want that knows what's going

2220
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 3: childhood for me right now? Let me remember it like

2221
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 3: it was. It's it's always it's always interesting. They screwed

2222
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 3: up on the return of the kick and got bottled

2223
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 3: up deep in their own end. They mishandled the kick

2224
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 3: on this. Yeah, Now, I think that the the intentional

2225
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 3: safety to me, checkers see intent. The intentional safety to

2226
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 3: me was football one on one. I think a lot

2227
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 3: of guys would have done that. Now, most teams would

2228
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 3: have lost even doing that. I think that was the

2229
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 3: right thing to do. Most guys would have lost the

2230
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 3: game because you you have a free kick. Let's say

2231
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 3: you get the ball to the thirty yard line, first

2232
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 3: down ends the game. And if you don't, you're punting

2233
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 3: the ball and you're getting you're pinning them way down

2234
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 3: and there's no time left. Right Everything after the intentional

2235
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:15,560
Speaker 3: safety was completely botched by Denver in that game. I

2236
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 3: think it was Delta O'Neil if I want to remember,

2237
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he might have screwed up.

2238
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 3: I might be confusing it with a different game, but whatever,

2239
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 3: that drive by Brady to me is memorable. That throw

2240
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 3: to it was like a twenty twenty five yard touchdown.

2241
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 3: Wasn't like a little flip, you know, on a little

2242
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 3: you know, in and out route, you know, jerk route.

2243
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 3: It was like high degree of difficulty and at mile

2244
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,719
Speaker 3: high they never won their well whatever the Invesco field,

2245
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,440
Speaker 3: I think it was at the time, just an incredible

2246
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 3: last couple of seconds.

2247
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 5: I think my first memory that I that I always

2248
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 5: stuck in my head was Troy Brown's game winner and

2249
01:41:58,840 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 5: overtime against Miami.

2250
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:02,680
Speaker 3: Oh. That's a great one, that one when I when

2251
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 3: he hit.

2252
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 5: That throw, first of all, if you like, go watch

2253
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 5: back and watch that, that is an absolute seed, like yeah,

2254
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 5: and he's kind of like back pedaling when he throws

2255
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 5: it to his momentum is not going forward. It's not

2256
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 5: like a typical hair of Mary where the quarterback runs

2257
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 5: into it or something like that. He's back pedaling and

2258
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,560
Speaker 5: moving to his left, and he still gets enough on it,

2259
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 5: you know, to to hit Troy Brown in stride and

2260
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 5: and then Troy Brown pulled away for the touchdown. And

2261
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 5: I will never forget how excited because they never won

2262
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 5: down in Miami right like there was they were on

2263
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 5: like a crazy losing streak down there, and I just,

2264
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 5: uh will never forget how excited even Bill was, you know,

2265
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 5: throwing things, yeah, right, yeah, and that was that was

2266
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 5: a big one. The other one that I always love

2267
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 5: is the the snow game against Tennessee where him in

2268
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 5: Moss and that they think they scored like fifty six

2269
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 5: and a half or something like. Yeah, that game just

2270
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 5: was like classic, like we're better than you and we're

2271
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:05,520
Speaker 5: just dirt stomping teams.

2272
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 6: Now and that and that wasn't that was a rough

2273
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,640
Speaker 6: Patriots year too, Like that was just an outlier for

2274
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,599
Speaker 6: that that team in general. I just like, oh seven,

2275
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 6: it's obvious, like no one's surprised, but just some of

2276
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:16,559
Speaker 6: those games it just felt unfair.

2277
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 3: It just felt like these guys are on such another level.

2278
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 6: And the one down in Miami to me where they

2279
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 6: still play those highlights, just a couple of those Moss

2280
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 6: touchdowns where the one guy like tore his acl like

2281
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 6: on the play like Moss just like one hands it

2282
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 6: on his shoulder and like two dolphin players just go

2283
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 6: flying and one guy's got like a knee injury, and

2284
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:36,839
Speaker 6: its just like those.

2285
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 3: Moments where you're like, this is just it's not fair.

2286
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 3: Right now.

2287
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:41,120
Speaker 6: They are on a different level, even like Cincinnati that

2288
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 6: year where you just felt like they were unstoppable.

2289
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 3: It was pretty cool. I don't remember Cincinnati since he

2290
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 3: I don't know the Miami game was was silly. Was

2291
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,600
Speaker 3: just throwing these balls like you talk about like you

2292
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 3: develop bad habits. Threw one up like into triple coverage.

2293
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 3: They had him completely surrounded. The must just like jumped

2294
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 3: up the ball and everybody like just fell over. It

2295
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 3: was like you know when you watch those clips on

2296
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 3: on on like YouTube of like the kid that's like

2297
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 3: eight years old and everybody playing youth football and they're

2298
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 3: all just falling down around him. That's what it looked like. Yeah,

2299
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 3: like they were playing their own game.

2300
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 5: In a HIMNT Moss and and Gronker like the only

2301
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 5: two guys that felt exactly like that, like like this

2302
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 5: is varsity, Like we're on varsity. These are guys that

2303
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 5: are playing JV. Like that's how I fell watching those guys.

2304
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 5: But I just remember in O seven, like you knew

2305
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 5: you could tell by Brady's like mannerisms when he was

2306
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 5: loading up the gun to throw it deep to Moss

2307
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 5: and you're watching it on TV, so you can't see

2308
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 5: Moss down the field, but you're like Moss down there

2309
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 5: somewhere and he's probably he's probably wide open.

2310
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 6: That was the one game that I went to in

2311
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 6: O seven, which was actually during the writer strike that's

2312
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,600
Speaker 6: going on again now out in LA Like, I'm like,

2313
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 6: I gotta go back. I got to see this team.

2314
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 6: But I went to the Pittsburgh game, which too, you

2315
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 6: know famous plays. There was a big one to Moss,

2316
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 6: but there was also the like the triple.

2317
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 3: Pass for Radio Moss to Salwarz, and we were me

2318
01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 3: and my sisters were in the second last row of

2319
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 3: this stadium, so we are like, so you had it

2320
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 3: was more than the All twenty two. It was like

2321
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 3: the All Lower Bowl. I mean, you had like all

2322
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 3: thirty thousand down there, but you could see but you

2323
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:11,479
Speaker 3: could just see it develop. You're like, oh you could.

2324
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 6: You could tell that Gaffney didn't slow down for a second,

2325
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 6: you know, like it was just it was all right

2326
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 6: there before you from from that high level.

2327
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 3: So it was pretty cool that that game. So those

2328
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 3: are a few, yeah, a few random. You know, it's

2329
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 3: hard to really come up playoffs with ones that you

2330
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 3: don't feel like are famous though, because like all the

2331
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 3: games we brought up, I'm like, I remember every single

2332
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 3: one of those. It's hard to be like one gem

2333
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 3: that you didn't. It's such a product of their dominance

2334
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 3: that you can, like I always joke about this, like

2335
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 3: Patriots seemed to have more games that have names. Yeah,

2336
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 3: you know, and like if it's not like a like

2337
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 3: you could go in a couple of ways, that New

2338
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 3: Orleans one that the email said, like that to me,

2339
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 3: that's the Kemberrell Tompkins game, because it seemed like that

2340
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 3: KEMBERL Tompkins ever did that was memorable in any way, right,

2341
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 3: But you know a lot of people would say it's

2342
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:00,840
Speaker 3: the Unicorn and Chowponies game because that's when lost his mind.

2343
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 3: I have to say that game.

2344
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:04,200
Speaker 5: I was gonna give Zoe credit, like I think that

2345
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 5: he lost his mind. His call of that of that

2346
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 5: game winning touchdown is why I think for a lot

2347
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:13,439
Speaker 5: of people of my generation that were a little bit

2348
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:16,680
Speaker 5: younger in the beginning part of the dynasty, that game

2349
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 5: sticks out to all of us so much, and a

2350
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 5: large part to Zoe's credit because of the call, Like

2351
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 5: the call was money. And then obviously I think the

2352
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 5: Red Sox won a World Series game like that same day,

2353
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 5: like it was just a great Boston sports day.

2354
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 3: It was grand against Detroit when they were like five

2355
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 3: outs away, four outs away.

2356
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 5: From Yeah, and that was just a great Boston sports day.

2357
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 5: And I remember I was in college and my college

2358
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 5: roommates nobody's from Boston and in my in my friend group,

2359
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 5: and they just hated me that day. They were like,

2360
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 5: this guy's got Brady, he's got our teas hitting grand

2361
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 5: slams and like they're all just like, you know, wallowing.

2362
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 3: I remember in my office writing after that game when

2363
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 3: I had the Red Sox on and I was like,

2364
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 3: I just like started yelling obscenities like yeah, I can't

2365
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,840
Speaker 3: believe it. I can't ever believe what. I just like

2366
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 3: what he just did. And I think that was a lot.

2367
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:13,600
Speaker 3: That was a fun I miss having. It's funny a

2368
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 3: fun night here, like for all that going on, it's

2369
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 3: funny to me that we're all talking about like I

2370
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 3: brought up seven when they were just so dominant, and

2371
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:24,680
Speaker 3: then you guys brought up thirteen when they turned over

2372
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,679
Speaker 3: all their receivers and you're mentioning Kenbrell Tompkins like being

2373
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 3: you know, like it's just they could win so many

2374
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 3: different ways. Well they just say it's such a contrast

2375
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 3: between those two.

2376
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:35,599
Speaker 6: Teams, Like you know, I mean I know, twenty thirteen

2377
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 6: Patriots weren't, you know, the worst team of the of

2378
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 6: the last twenty years.

2379
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:41,600
Speaker 3: But you know, it's just they could beat you that

2380
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 3: way when he had Scrubs and they didn't play great

2381
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 3: the whole game and then they just kind of pulled

2382
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 3: a couple drives out at the end, or they could

2383
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 3: roll you for fifty at you know seven. It's just

2384
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 3: such a contrast, so many different things to appreciate that.

2385
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 5: Same strive, the game winning driving. People like say like, oh,

2386
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 5: what's your argument for Brady being to go? And I'm like,

2387
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 5: other than obvious, say the Super Bowls and stuffs, like

2388
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:06,799
Speaker 5: he led a touch game winning touchdown drive with Austin Colley, KEMBERL. Tompkins,

2389
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:09,640
Speaker 5: Aaron Dobbson like who, Like you don't know who? Like

2390
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,600
Speaker 5: that's the thing is, Look, I I don't want to

2391
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 5: get at the whole thing. But like Peyton like played

2392
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 5: with other Hall of famers around him a lot, okay

2393
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 5: and Brady.

2394
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 3: But he also did it with Austin.

2395
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 5: But those but those guys were were not you know,

2396
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 5: he had Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison before that, but

2397
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 5: then he had Austin Colly and Peter top receiver and

2398
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 5: he's a great player to not trying on Peyton, but

2399
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:37,040
Speaker 5: it just that he had. Brady had that ability to

2400
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 5: elevate people around him, no question. And I look at

2401
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,599
Speaker 5: you know, again not to go on the whole Celtics rant,

2402
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:44,519
Speaker 5: but I look at like some of the athletes that

2403
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 5: we have in Boston now that are great players at

2404
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 5: their sports, but guys like Ortiz, guys like Brady, like

2405
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 5: these guys just don't have that, Like they don't have

2406
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 5: the Jason Tatum has generational talent, maybe, but he doesn't

2407
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:01,720
Speaker 5: have that like ability to just pull Austin Colly and

2408
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 5: Ken Broo Tompkins to a game winning drive. And you know,

2409
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 5: those types of moments are David Ortiz when everybody knows

2410
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 5: that David ortis about to hit a Grand Slam and

2411
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 5: tie the game, and he did it, like he just

2412
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 5: does it.

2413
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 4: You know.

2414
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:15,840
Speaker 6: I felt similar about the Patriots defense in the early

2415
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 6: two thousands of you know, not at the level of what.

2416
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 3: Brady became, but just I always had such confidence. I've

2417
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 3: talked about it with Rabel too, like similar kind of thing,

2418
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 3: like you just knew these guys have been in all

2419
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 3: these situations and I just feel confident no matter who

2420
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 3: they're going up against, they're gonna be a tough matchup

2421
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:30,759
Speaker 3: for whoever.

2422
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 5: The Eagle Super Bowl is exactly that to me. The

2423
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:37,800
Speaker 5: first Eagles Super Bowl obviously, that was a touchdown game, right,

2424
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,919
Speaker 5: like they they were only up a touchdown.

2425
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 3: Oh and they probably should have been losing by more

2426
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:46,480
Speaker 3: right earlier in the game. I thought Philly really outplayed

2427
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:49,160
Speaker 3: them in the first half. But I totally know where

2428
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:51,720
Speaker 3: you're gonna where you're going with this. I never, for once,

2429
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,679
Speaker 3: not a second thought the Patriots were gonna lose that game.

2430
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:56,679
Speaker 3: And I never really even thought they were in trouble.

2431
01:49:56,840 --> 01:50:00,720
Speaker 5: No, and they that drive that Rod Harrison has the

2432
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 5: pick to see it basically seal the game. That was

2433
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:06,640
Speaker 5: a touchdown game, right, And it never once did it.

2434
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:08,720
Speaker 5: Donn on mean that Donovan mcnabbles.

2435
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 3: It was twenty four to twenty one.

2436
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,360
Speaker 5: I never in months did I think that Donavan mcnabble

2437
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:13,640
Speaker 5: is going to march down the field and win the

2438
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 5: game for Philly.

2439
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 3: No, No, I know one time, right, and then he

2440
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:17,800
Speaker 3: felt the same way when Eli Manning got put in

2441
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 3: a similar situation. You know, at the end of the day,

2442
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 3: that game and you're like, all right, like just close

2443
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 3: it out. I mean, everybody just pictures Rodney Harrison intercep

2444
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 3: of the running like I'll take it like on the

2445
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:31,960
Speaker 3: other side. And sometimes when he didn't do it, so yo,

2446
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 3: I Manning scores a touchdown they were down three. I

2447
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 3: just said, okay, it's like thirty seconds left, talk twenty six,

2448
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 3: whatever it was, he'll get a field goal. Yeah, And

2449
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe they just threw bombs like the first

2450
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 3: couple of plays. Now one of them like almost got completed.

2451
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 3: But that still haunts me to this day. How come

2452
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 3: I just like, why wouldn't you just continue to do

2453
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 3: what you always do and run like these fifteen yard

2454
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 3: crosses with Wes Welker, and yeah, call time out, get

2455
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 3: out of bounds, do whatever you need to do, and

2456
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,040
Speaker 3: let's lift the fight another the show it always takes.

2457
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 3: I thought they would, you know, to you a point

2458
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 3: like the confidence that you had in the defense. I

2459
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 3: had such confidence in that offense. I never never thought

2460
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 3: that game was gonna end there. I said, go to

2461
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:16,559
Speaker 3: overtime and see what happens. Four Then then when they

2462
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:18,639
Speaker 3: you know, when when they sacked him on the first play,

2463
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,760
Speaker 3: I kind of said, maybe it's just not meant to be. Yeah,

2464
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:25,240
Speaker 3: and then against uh, Carolina, like Carolina was in that game,

2465
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:26,720
Speaker 3: Carolina I thought could win the game.

2466
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 5: Carolina was squarely in that game, and yet somehow they

2467
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:32,519
Speaker 5: it just felt like they always figured it out. And then,

2468
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 5: of course, as you reminded me of O seven, they

2469
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:35,640
Speaker 5: did not.

2470
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna like pretend like that. The Eagles

2471
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 3: game in four, I never thought they were going to

2472
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:46,160
Speaker 3: lose the game the year before, when Carolina kept coming back,

2473
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:49,800
Speaker 3: kept coming back, I thought that game play. I thought

2474
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:51,040
Speaker 3: that game could have gone either way.

2475
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 5: If you're like my age or younger in Patriots fans

2476
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:57,839
Speaker 5: listening to this, go back and watch the Carolina Patriots

2477
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 5: Super bowlts on YouTube. It's it's a dense version of

2478
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 5: it actually on YouTube, so you don't even have to

2479
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 5: watch commercials. That is an all time great game, just

2480
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 5: a game in NFL history, a.

2481
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:11,599
Speaker 3: Weird game of the contrast of scoring in the first

2482
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 3: fourteen to ten in the second, no scoring in the third,

2483
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,240
Speaker 3: ends up thirty twenty nine, right just to it always

2484
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 3: gets missed.

2485
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 5: I think because Carolina wasn't like this, you know, it

2486
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 5: didn't They didn't have this great quarterback or it wasn't

2487
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:27,120
Speaker 5: a great Carolina team in theory, but that's one of

2488
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:29,719
Speaker 5: the best Super Bowls I think that that's ever been played.

2489
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 6: I mean, Julius Peppers, I know that those guys just

2490
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:34,559
Speaker 6: I remember hearing from some of the Patriots guys talking

2491
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:37,600
Speaker 6: about that Super Bowl just how tough Carolina was, Like

2492
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:40,560
Speaker 6: they just they were a big Chris Jenkins.

2493
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 3: Was it, Brentson Buckner, Chris Peppers, Peppers, they had Dan Morgan,

2494
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 3: I think there, Uh, they had some players there that defense.

2495
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:57,680
Speaker 3: Steve Smith. Manning was not Daniel Moosen, Muhammed That's what

2496
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 3: it was. Ricky Manning. Ricky I loved and I still

2497
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:03,680
Speaker 3: love Smith, Steve Smith. Yeah, Muhammad had like an eighty

2498
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 3: seven yard touchdown. Yeah, that was a play that he's

2499
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 3: stiff armed Eugene Wilson. I know, I've told this story

2500
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 3: on the on the radio many times and Fred and

2501
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 3: he got hurt on the play, and Fred insisted that

2502
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 3: Wilson wasn't hurt and he was just embarrassed that he

2503
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 3: gave up a touchdown and got stiff armed. He ended

2504
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 3: up not returning to the game, having surgery to repair

2505
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 3: a torn groin. I believe, and Fred still to this

2506
01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 3: day insists that it wasn't a real injury and he

2507
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:32,799
Speaker 3: was just all for effect.

2508
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 5: He played the long I think that's still the longest

2509
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:38,280
Speaker 5: touchdown from scrimmage in Super Bowl history.

2510
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,280
Speaker 3: I want to say eighty seven years just like that.

2511
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 3: But that was and that was the first time the

2512
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:48,600
Speaker 3: Patriots were trailing in something like ten games. And the

2513
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:51,200
Speaker 3: last time they had been trailing prior to that was

2514
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 3: in the same stadium against Houston, like in November of

2515
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 3: that year. And that was in the midstime before I

2516
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:03,000
Speaker 3: was tired. Was that what it was? Yes, they topped

2517
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 3: out of that team was domin They kept running out out.

2518
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 6: Let's grab a couple of emails here as we rolled

2519
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 6: down the final stretch from Jerry North, Carolina.

2520
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:13,480
Speaker 3: Just about the rookie wide receivers.

2521
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 6: If the two new wide receiver rookies show they can

2522
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,639
Speaker 6: contribute to the offense early in camp, can we package

2523
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 6: Devontae Parker and Kendrick Bourne and a fourth to Denver

2524
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:23,599
Speaker 6: for Jerry Judy and a late round pick.

2525
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 3: These are these are like the trade machine things right,

2526
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 3: your trade has been rejected. We're getting a little wonky,

2527
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 3: but we did talk.

2528
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 6: About guys that maybe could be moved, and I know

2529
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 6: Kendrick Bourne came up and I mentioned just as we

2530
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 6: went to break of, we saw what Shack Mason just

2531
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 6: got another nice three year, good money deal, solid for him,

2532
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 6: Maybe a little bit of an indication of what Michael

2533
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 6: and Win is going to potentially get next offseason. You've

2534
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 6: got a couple, I mean, all three of these rookies

2535
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 6: could probably play guard. Uh if one of them really pops,

2536
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 6: do you do you swing on Minu for something? That's

2537
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,760
Speaker 6: that's my question right now, maybe as a trade bait guy.

2538
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 3: And I know you hate it, Evan, No, I don't

2539
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:01,840
Speaker 3: hate it.

2540
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 9: Uh.

2541
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 3: Well, if one of them pups is a key part

2542
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:06,800
Speaker 3: of that, Like I don't want to trade him right now,

2543
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 3: right right, but like you get into training camp and

2544
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 3: somebody has an injury City Sow looks like he's every

2545
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 3: bit as good as Michael Owenu. I'm not opposed to that.

2546
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:17,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, if there's one guy out of that twenty twenty

2547
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:21,200
Speaker 5: draft class, dugg or uj Onu, I don't mind parting

2548
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 5: ways with it's right. I mean he's the guard, Like,

2549
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 5: that's fine. My whole argument with them is just I

2550
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:30,080
Speaker 5: said is off air, there's no reason that Kyle Dugger

2551
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 5: should not have a second contract with the Patriots. Like

2552
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 5: there's he's done everything, He's checked every single box, he's developed,

2553
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 5: he's been on an upward ascension now for a couple

2554
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 5: of years. He's a good football player. You drafted a

2555
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 5: good football player, and you shouldn't let those types of

2556
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:47,360
Speaker 5: guys walk. I think it's more complicated because of his

2557
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 5: role and lack of three down versatility and things like that,

2558
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 5: but I would throw him in that same category as

2559
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:55,800
Speaker 5: well that I feel like he has been somebody that

2560
01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 5: especially if he has a good year this year, I

2561
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:02,520
Speaker 5: would aspect that they should retain him now on WHENU

2562
01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:04,800
Speaker 5: I can take it or leave it on him a

2563
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 5: great football player, like really good guard. But Alix, I

2564
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 5: think they learned, maybe they're lesson a little bit with

2565
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:14,440
Speaker 5: hoping with Joe Toney and Jack Mason that investing big

2566
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 5: cap dollars, especially in guards is really not where you

2567
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 5: want to allocate your resource, especially when you use the

2568
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:22,960
Speaker 5: first round pick on the left guard. So now you

2569
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 5: have a first round pick at left guard, you have

2570
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:27,600
Speaker 5: a ten million dollar right guard. At some point you

2571
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:29,880
Speaker 5: need to spread the assets around a little bit more.

2572
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:32,480
Speaker 6: I want to make a better argument for Uch because

2573
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 6: I just and like, I know everything you said. I mean,

2574
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 6: he's not a full time player, but I do think

2575
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,520
Speaker 6: that in today's NFL, it's I look at it a

2576
01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:42,400
Speaker 6: little bit different than I might have, say in twenty eleven,

2577
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 6: when they kind of have Mark Anderson in as like

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01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 6: kind of in that role. I would say, like it

2579
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 6: was and I know he got elevated to playing starting

2580
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 6: defensive end after Andre Carter got hurt, but as you know,

2581
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:56,880
Speaker 6: a designated pass rusher essentially, like you need those guys

2582
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:59,240
Speaker 6: like you need an athlete like josh Uja coming off

2583
01:56:59,280 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 6: the edge.

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01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 3: I just I find it.

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01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 6: Hard to It's just I know, you got to find

2586
01:57:03,120 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 6: what money makes sense. And if he turns in a

2587
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:08,680
Speaker 6: twelve sax season this year, even if it's largely you know,

2588
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:10,680
Speaker 6: feeding off of the team defense and just kind of

2589
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 6: being the finisher, I just I think the biggest thing

2590
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 6: for me is what Evan.

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01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 3: Said, You drafted this kid, you developed him. You don't

2592
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 3: have a lot of these guys. You want to have

2593
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:21,360
Speaker 3: some continuity in the locker room and guys who you

2594
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,920
Speaker 3: know can kind of carry the culture forward year to year.

2595
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:26,080
Speaker 3: You're not going to have you already lost mccordy this year,

2596
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 3: you're probably gonna lose Slater. If not this year, you

2597
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:31,240
Speaker 3: know within the next year or two. So I there

2598
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 3: haven't been a.

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01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:33,280
Speaker 6: Lot of draft hits, and I just I struggle for

2600
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 6: as much as I can say, he's not an every

2601
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:37,680
Speaker 6: down player, and he'll get paid somewhere else.

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01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:41,240
Speaker 3: Maybe I agree. I'm less worried about him not being

2603
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,480
Speaker 3: an every down player as I am him not being

2604
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 3: what we saw in the last eight weeks. Yeah, now

2605
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:49,760
Speaker 3: I'm fully ready to say, hey, look, I he was

2606
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:52,360
Speaker 3: a late bloomer, took him a while, maybe he was

2607
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 3: banged up a little bit, first couple of years, came

2608
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 3: into his own and if that's what I see this year,

2609
01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Mike. Yeah, I'm less worried about him

2610
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 3: being a full time player because I think that role

2611
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 3: is very valuable, especially in today's NFL.

2612
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're playing I mean you're you're not playing a

2613
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 6: lot of snaps, but you're playing the most critical down

2614
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:09,680
Speaker 6: in the game.

2615
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:12,600
Speaker 3: What do you pay for it is the question? And

2616
01:58:12,680 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 3: that's why you know the Shaq Mason deal. It was

2617
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 3: a three for thirty six. I'd sign up for that

2618
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:24,840
Speaker 3: for for a WHENU. Yeah, I don't think that's what

2619
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:29,280
Speaker 3: when you will sign for because the the free agents

2620
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 3: in their prime are going to get like deals that

2621
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 3: are twice that size. Ye, and that I would say,

2622
01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:38,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to step back and say whatever it said.

2623
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 3: I learned from Tuney and Mason, two really really good

2624
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:44,680
Speaker 3: players played at a very high level for the Patriots.

2625
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:48,120
Speaker 3: We re signed them. And it's not really the difference

2626
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:51,400
Speaker 3: between winning a Super Bowl or not, Like I can

2627
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 3: I can get by with lesser at that position and

2628
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 3: save money. Now, on one hand, I say you can

2629
01:58:57,680 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 3: save money. If I thought they were just going to spend,

2630
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't care. But I do think it matters. Like

2631
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:05,160
Speaker 3: everybody's got a budget, and I think it matters, so

2632
01:59:05,240 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 3: I want to spend more Wisely.

2633
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:10,880
Speaker 6: Stevie just had to he emailed in just to agree

2634
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:13,760
Speaker 6: with you, Evan. If you haven't seen Panthers Super Bowl,

2635
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 6: go check it out. Great game, especially the variable touchdown

2636
01:59:16,120 --> 01:59:17,880
Speaker 6: fourth quarter was ridiculous.

2637
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,240
Speaker 3: That is in fact true.

2638
01:59:19,320 --> 01:59:21,440
Speaker 5: It's also fun to watch those games now because you

2639
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 5: know that they win. There's the stress of them potentially

2640
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 5: losing the game.

2641
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:28,520
Speaker 3: Is no longer. I always like when I watch games

2642
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:31,320
Speaker 3: back then, you know, because I was here every day,

2643
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 3: every game. And you remember like when Mike said that

2644
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:36,240
Speaker 3: he talked to a guy who was an undrafted free

2645
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 3: agent and he said TC Taylor. I remember TC taylorah

2646
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 3: from training Campy time came. When you go back and

2647
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:47,440
Speaker 3: watch that game, you see guys that you've never thought

2648
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:49,920
Speaker 3: of in fifteen years, never once. Yeah, And the guy

2649
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:51,600
Speaker 3: that always sticks out in that game for me is

2650
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 3: Sean Mayer, who when they lost like nine thousand safety,

2651
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:59,280
Speaker 3: they lost Wilson, they lost Rodney, they just had to

2652
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:02,560
Speaker 3: put that was the version of Nate Ebe. We had

2653
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:06,520
Speaker 3: to finish the game at safety. Sean Mayor undrafted rookie

2654
02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:09,520
Speaker 3: I want to sign out John Mayor Sean Sean Mayer.

2655
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:11,920
Speaker 3: I think he was out of Penn State. And I'm

2656
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:14,720
Speaker 3: a thirty night. When I watched that second look what

2657
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:16,480
Speaker 3: I was like, who the heck is that?

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02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:17,160
Speaker 11: You know?

2659
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:18,640
Speaker 3: We keep on nexter Reid?

2660
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:21,800
Speaker 5: No wonder why Carolina put up thirty points in the

2661
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:22,480
Speaker 5: fourth course.

2662
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:24,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, that was that was part of it.

2663
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:27,440
Speaker 3: That was absolutely part of it. All right, that's gonna

2664
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:30,240
Speaker 3: do it for us? Becky pro don't go anywhere. The catch.

2665
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:33,040
Speaker 3: Twenty two guys are up next talking more football for

2666
02:00:33,080 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 3: the next couple of hours, and uh, that'll do it

2667
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:36,960
Speaker 3: for the rest of us, though we'll be back next

2668
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 3: week Tuesday. We're getting closer to OTAs and everything else

2669
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:41,240
Speaker 3: off season. Feel the love.

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02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:46,640
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