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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 1: the show, we are continuing our new series exploring the habits, mindsets,

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Speaker 1: methods and routines of the best deer hunters in the world,

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Speaker 1: and today our guest is the one and only Andre

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by First Light, and today we are continuing

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Speaker 1: our new series. As I just mentioned, this is our

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Speaker 1: Mindsets of the Whitetail Masters series, in which we are

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Speaker 1: trying to get a behind the scenes look at what's

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Speaker 1: going on in the minds of these absolute top tier

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Speaker 1: elite deer hunters. What are the mindsets, what are their philosophies,

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Speaker 1: What are the habits and routines and little things that

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Speaker 1: they do and little things that they believe in that

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Speaker 1: continue to help them have consistent deer hunting success. That's

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Speaker 1: what we're trying to figure out. So far, we've spoken

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Speaker 1: with John Eberhart, Ben Rising, and now today Andre de Quisto.

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Speaker 1: Andre is pretty legendary within the whitetail hunting world. He's

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Speaker 1: the founder of Lone Wolf now Lone Wolf Custom Gear

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Speaker 1: as well. He was a part of the white Tail

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Speaker 1: addictionous TV show, still is, and he is just truly

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Speaker 1: a master and an innovator within the white tail world.

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Speaker 1: So many of the tactics and strategies that folks use

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Speaker 1: now in large part stem from Andrea's kind of kicking

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Speaker 1: this aggressive mobile hunting movement off decades ago. He's still

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Speaker 1: doing that today with incredible success. And so my hope

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Speaker 1: was to try to get a better understanding of why

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Speaker 1: that is the case, of what's going on behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: or what is it about Andre's personality or about his

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Speaker 1: drive or about his motivations that has led to all

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Speaker 1: of this. I think those are some of the things

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Speaker 1: these conversations. In some cases with these guys, they don't

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Speaker 1: even necessarily have a specific habit or routine or mindset

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Speaker 1: that they explicitly overtly realize that they're following or realize

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Speaker 1: that they're implementing. But there are things going on behind

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Speaker 1: that all seem to be in common. These people have

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Speaker 1: tremendous drive. They are very, very goal oriented. They are

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Speaker 1: unwilling to accept failure in the way that they define it.

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Speaker 1: They are able to push through whatever challenges face them.

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Speaker 1: They are dog headed, they are determined, and they learn.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a key thing, is that they have

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Speaker 1: learned from their own experiences. They've let their eyes, their

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Speaker 1: experiences inform what they do. They are not beholden to

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Speaker 1: some magazine article or to some preconceived notion of the past.

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Speaker 1: That those are a few things that have stood up

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Speaker 1: to me so far, and I think you're going to

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Speaker 1: see some of that pop up here in my conversation

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Speaker 1: with Andre, and a lot more so I will just

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Speaker 1: let Andre speak for himself. Now, this is another great one.

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Speaker 1: I think we're all going to learn something here today.

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Speaker 1: So with that said, and without any further ado, let's

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Speaker 1: get to my chat with Andre Dquisto. All right, with

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Speaker 1: me back on the show, we've got, mister Andre Dquisto.

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Speaker 3: Andre, thank you so much for joining me. Hein no problem.

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Speaker 1: I greatly appreciate every time that you make time to speak.

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Speaker 1: It means the world to me, and I know our

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Speaker 1: trying to get a different look at how people achieve

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Speaker 1: So those those are the kinds of questions I'm going

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Speaker 1: to run you through today. It's going to be a

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Speaker 1: all right. So so what I want to kind of

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Speaker 1: So really to take us off simply that under how

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Speaker 4: Harvesting the animal that I set my goal out for.

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Speaker 4: I'll know in advance, know the animals that I'm going

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Speaker 4: White til Addictions now, So a successful hump would be

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Speaker 4: So that's where I'm at in my days.

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Speaker 1: Now, is there any scenario in which you don't kill

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Speaker 4: A full season, over one hundred days of chasing around

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Speaker 4: But the scenario, the situation I was in in any

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Speaker 4: The weird thing is that I always go back and

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Speaker 1: Favorite failure in the past, Like, is there another failure

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Speaker 3: Could you tell me about that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know a failure, but I a deer I

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Speaker 4: the deer at you know, one hundred and eighty nine inches,

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Speaker 4: So that that's a failure. And I talk about that

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Speaker 4: a lot sometimes a lot of those, you know, those

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Speaker 4: I don't know, it's nice that you're fourth now to

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Speaker 4: let that deer get a year bigger, and sometimes they

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Speaker 3: So that one worked out for me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is there any deer like that that got away for

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Speaker 3: You know, he's stuttering, what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm getting my ship together. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: Now in between that, there's tons of other animals, good

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Speaker 4: On that on that particular day and that set up

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Speaker 4: Put an extra pin on my will cover, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So so I got to believe that thirty forty

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Speaker 4: I'm not a guy that likes to shoot bowls for archery.

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Speaker 4: But I would say the biggest thing that I've learned

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Speaker 3: Now we hud a lot of same properties.

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Speaker 4: He's got all the tools I got, but I don't

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Speaker 4: ran all over. I know everywhere I stepped, everywhere I

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00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 4: went everywhere. I kind of burged it up. So I

439
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 4: want to get my virgin sit. I might be sitting

440
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 4: on a virgin sit that I think is a virgin sit,

441
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 4: and he might have been running around just inside that

442
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 4: all over. I might have been the opposite, right, and

443
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 4: we're kind of messing each other up, so we'd like

444
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 4: to You know, you're gonna hunt the north.

445
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 3: Side today, you go.

446
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 4: Don't come burning up and reading all the signs on

447
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 4: my side and then go hunt the north side.

448
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 3: Just here. I gotta take my area now.

449
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 4: As the day goes by, or if it's a couple

450
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 4: of days, then it's it's everything. Every day is a

451
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 4: new day, so you go read it. And I used

452
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 4: to laugh to on the lease. I had an ILLINOI

453
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 4: I was so much all over that, chasing these deer

454
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 4: around and just staying on their asses. These big bucks

455
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 4: would come out and they literally had a look in

456
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 4: her face like where the hell is this guy today?

457
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 3: Type of look like I know he's in here, and

458
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 3: they just they're.

459
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 4: They're moving through this property because they live there and

460
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 4: they gotta and I would be putting that type of

461
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: pressure on them, so really aggressive now, more of a

462
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 4: control aggression. I think I know a little bit more

463
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 4: than I knew. In the past. My curiosity was always

464
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: the peak of while I learned a lot of poking around,

465
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 4: getting a little too close. I don't know how many

466
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 4: times in my career I've literally walked within five ten

467
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 4: feet of a huge bucks stealing their beds. And then

468
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 4: I was just ready to seen what I want to

469
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 4: see im. I was just ready to like turn around

470
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 4: and leave, and I turned the opposite way. I'd fricking

471
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 4: run face to face right up with these damp things.

472
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 4: They'd make eye contacts and they just bust out of

473
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 4: their gone. So that's that was the thing I had

474
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 4: to You know, you never know how far you could

475
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 4: take it.

476
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: You take it too far. Well, that's taken a little fire.

477
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 4: But some of these deer they get up, they get

478
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 4: up early enough, but they don't move out of a

479
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 4: little safety area. And if you're out of that little zone,

480
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 4: you might as well be a couple hundred yards away

481
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 4: because you're not killing him until they get out and.

482
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 3: Move out of there.

483
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 4: So seasons changed, at weather, it's changed at there's a

484
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 4: lot of things. So you just work those those scenarios in.

485
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 3: At least.

486
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 4: I'm to the point now that I really ever second

487
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 4: doubt any anything I see, you read, or my setups. Again,

488
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 4: same scenario that I did there. You know, I should

489
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 4: have did this, I could have did that. I probably

490
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 4: would have just had to handle it the same and

491
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 4: maybe fake could have took over and did something different.

492
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,719
Speaker 4: But I don't feel I made the wrong move. I

493
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 4: just feel I failed in my completion of that task.

494
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: You know.

495
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of inches off, you know, make all

496
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 4: the difference. Yeah, exactly.

497
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what about you know, it sounds like that

498
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: was a slow burn over many years, You've gotten to

499
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: this point now where you just so much confidence in

500
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 1: your instincts. Has there been any recent change, like, has

501
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: there been any recent new belief or idea or habit

502
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: you've picked up on in the last like five years

503
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: or so, that's made a big difference for you.

504
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 4: No, because actually, well so I kind of backed I

505
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 4: backed off. I've hunted all my life, every year, harvested

506
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 4: deer every year in the last ten years, I think

507
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 4: I kind of I mean, when I went out of Howard,

508
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 4: I was hunting out of state, doing a lot of hunts,

509
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 4: really aggressively, going after deer. I normally wouldn't even hunt

510
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: a property that didn't have a caliber deer that I wanted.

511
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 4: I've done that. I've waited around, you know, deer't Sometimes

512
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: something different will show up here. But there's nothing worse

513
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 4: than hunting. You know, I got all this land, all

514
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 4: this these acres to hunter. There's not a deer on

515
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 4: there you'd want to hunt. It's that's horrible. It's like

516
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: being in prison. So I've done that a couple and

517
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 4: you shouldn't do that every If you want to shoot

518
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 4: whatever you want to shoot, you should be on a

519
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 4: trail in the woods, on a trail where an all

520
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 4: at Kellerber's moving through. Imagine that the success you'd have

521
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: of hunting forty fifty days out of a season. If

522
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 4: every setup you're basically pretty close to being in the game,

523
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 4: it brings your numbers way through the roof. I went

524
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: down to Illinois last year for the first time a

525
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: lease and hunted, had some cameras out, had some of

526
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 4: the other guys, until there was a huge buck there.

527
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 3: Went down just what I was knowing.

528
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 4: I drove a little too deep in, but I set

529
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 4: up and I almost played it safe on this one.

530
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 4: I picked the tree because of the wind one off.

531
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 4: If I'd have picked the original tree, the one that

532
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 4: I should have, I killed the two hundred and twenty

533
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 4: in frickin' buck. So I had to sit in the

534
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 4: video and watch him. And the problem with that is

535
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 4: i'd never done is either I was going to go there,

536
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 4: harvest a decent one on video, get back to the buck,

537
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: and I know what that I wanted to chase this

538
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: one that I missed. So now that scenarios I'll for

539
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 4: a whole day. Now I got a deer there that

540
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 4: if I'm hunting there, it's like him or nothing. So

541
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 4: as you know, now it's a struggle between do I

542
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 4: run to Illinoy to shoot that one, or do I

543
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: go back to Iowa to chase this one, and I

544
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 4: hate that scenario because I just excited. I wanted to

545
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: go there, take a decent bucket on video, and get

546
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 4: the hell out and get back to work here and

547
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: stay on it. So I did come back and I

548
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 4: kept hunting here, and I think I ended up there

549
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: a late season, earned the rut for a little bit,

550
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 4: hoping to get that that deer disappeared. I ended up

551
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 4: I think on a neighbor's property. I know, doing a

552
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 4: certain scenario. But it's like, now you're you know that

553
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 4: you're going there. Chances are not real good that you're

554
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: going to get an opportunity coming in for a weekend

555
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 4: here there to get a shot at that deer again,

556
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 4: especially with like five or six other guys hunting and

557
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 4: then neighbors and that. So you did it because you

558
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 4: you might get a crack at it. But I wanted

559
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: to stay on that one deer that was the one

560
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 4: I really wanted a goal, So I spent most of

561
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: my time on that buck there. It's it's a love

562
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 4: hate type of thing, you know. It's it's almost like

563
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 4: it gets it's more of a it's not a fun

564
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 4: type und I know a lot of guys enjoy hunting,

565
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: and it's a lot of fun for him. It's last

566
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 4: year was the most AGNI magnifying. How can I even

567
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 4: describe it? I mean, I literally, I shouldn't even say this,

568
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 4: but I literally passed out a couple of times in

569
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 4: the woods, literally physically was just spent completely out of gas.

570
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: And I just, uh, I just pushed on. I just

571
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: pushed right on through it and kept on it. Uh.

572
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: And I was getting soregressed.

573
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: I was getting down in prime time hunting at eight

574
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning and just scouting like a maniac.

575
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 4: And I was coming up with all kinds of other

576
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 4: nice deer, different deer and scenarios.

577
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: So I was really I.

578
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: Guess I was trying to rush it really a lot

579
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: last year. I wanted to get a couple of good

580
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: ones down, you know, our fortieth was coming in there

581
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 4: on a kind of big year for the show and stuff,

582
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: and I really was I.

583
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: Probably took it a little too a little too fast.

584
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: My normal mode is an aggressive kind of methodical deal,

585
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 4: and I think I was really almost in a hurry

586
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: to get something shot, move on to the next and

587
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: and move on, which I shouldn't have done. I should

588
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: have stayed focused on on that one deer.

589
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: Do you do you have any specific ways you're going

590
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: to try to dress things differently this year?

591
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well this year myself.

592
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: Issues have been all back in line now, uh, working

593
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 4: out a getting back and getting back in shape the

594
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 4: age deal. I can't I come to the assumption last year.

595
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 4: Last year I grew old. I mentally basically submitted to

596
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 4: I'm not the guy that I used to be. I'm

597
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 4: not Cody anymore running around top physical shape.

598
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: I mean I got a lot of jury.

599
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 4: I think I run a lot of guys thirty forty

600
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: years old on the ground he was still to this day.

601
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: But I'm not the the machine that I was in

602
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: the past, and I just I had a that was

603
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: a big hurdle to mentally accept that this is the

604
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: next step down now, so you're gonna have to hunt

605
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: a little smarter. I guess I'm still I should I

606
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: put in. I started in freaking Kentucky in a hundred

607
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 4: degree weather. I think I had one hundred and over

608
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 4: one hundred days of morning and evening sets plus scouting

609
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: every day. I mean I was running myself completely freaking

610
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 4: into the ground and then not sleeping on top of

611
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 4: it or even good you know. So that's gonna stop

612
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 4: next year. So I've decided I can't do that anymore.

613
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: So hopefully I could pick out a good deer to chase.

614
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 4: Hopefully there's not a bunch of different ones that can

615
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 4: be pulled different directions, and I can stay focused and

616
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 4: stay stay on.

617
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: That one task, you know, and then move on from there. Yeah.

618
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: So if now that you are kind of in this

619
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: new phase where maybe you can't hunt quite as hard

620
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: as he used to, but you mentioned you want to

621
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: hunt smarter, maybe what does that look like?

622
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: Like? What what's an example of how you might actually

623
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: put that into action? This year, I'll have.

624
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: To make decision that if there's two good deer, I

625
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: can't be running all over, running down in Illinois for

626
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: a couple of days, running back up here, running Wisconsin,

627
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: you know, run around like a chicken my head chopped off,

628
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 4: or a kid in the candy store. I'm gonna have

629
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: to try and stay focused on now that dear is

630
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: back here this year, that'll trump probably something even bigger

631
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: anywhere else because now there's a there's a debt to

632
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: be paid and I think that dear ows me an

633
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: another crack. So I want to stay on that deer.

634
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 4: Hopefully it doesn't get killed by somebody else or whatever.

635
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: But I'm praying at the deer's back on the property

636
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: that can stay focused on him, and again that he's

637
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: as big as he was.

638
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: Or or maybe bigger.

639
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 4: But again, I think that one from Illinois is back too,

640
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 4: So it's going to be a who knows what the

641
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 4: hell that thing to turn into? Uh this year, but

642
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: this one's going to be number one on my my

643
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: list here, So stay focused day on this one, get

644
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: the job done on this and then from there you

645
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: can go take it easy and hunt another state, or

646
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 4: or go hunt another a different buck, you know. So okay,

647
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 4: but there will be less days in the woods. Probably

648
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: there will be less days and there, you know, but

649
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: probably still from opener right on through to late that

650
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 4: I basically will be be in that field every every

651
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: day that I can.

652
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: So how do you how do you maintain that? Like,

653
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: how do you maintain stamina? How do you maintain that

654
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: level of pushing it without losing focus, without losing energy

655
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: and passing out?

656
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: Like you like you talked about well after you, I couldn't.

657
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: Like you said, I had some major major issues with

658
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: the sleep appen and things of that nature. So in

659
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: a normal type of uh A year, I I just

660
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: maintain I've diden't like that all my life. We'd want

661
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: we'd run wind sprints in the football team, and I'd

662
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: be the last guy freaking running. Everybody else to be

663
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: puken and done, and I just keep keep going. I

664
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: just had that kind of energy. And I love to

665
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: be in the woods. I can't stand sitting still in

666
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: a tree stand and sit in one spot. I need

667
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: to see what's over the next hill, what's around the

668
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: next bend, what's up the river. I'm a constant information junkie.

669
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: I need all kinds of pieces of puzzles in my mind.

670
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: I have to be able to visualize it and see

671
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 4: it in a stand. If I can't, That's why I

672
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 4: can't run into a span a preset stand. I even

673
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: want to look around a little bit on a preset

674
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 4: to make sure that the signs there. And I've been

675
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: in trees already that I jumped in and was going,

676
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 4: and it's like I'm taking my binocier if to look

677
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: and see Jesus christis is it's hot enough here, Am

678
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 4: I wasting a freaking night or a sit? And you think,

679
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 4: what all the time I have in the woods, that

680
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: wouldn't be an issue to waste it. Uh, But one

681
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 4: day gone is a day that can't be taken back,

682
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 4: and that that's an excess the numbers of times you sit,

683
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: the numbers of times you sit in the right spot.

684
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: So I'm always you know, if I'm scouting and setting

685
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: up and in a tree, that tree is the right

686
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 4: tree for that day and that win in the game.

687
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 4: I've had numerous friends years ago down in Illinois. They all

688
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 4: just jump up in a tree that I just left

689
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 4: or dead and left, and they go in there and

690
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: shoot one hundred and fifty sixty inch buck out of

691
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 4: the amp thing and they're happy as in a lark.

692
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 4: And I'm I'm seeing him, and I'm moving on. I'm

693
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 4: moving on tour. You know, the one that I'm looking for,

694
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: he's not there. So I'm kind of squeezing her down

695
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 4: and checking other areas. And I've been well the start

696
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: of all this, I've had so many guys. You know,

697
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 4: back in the day, it was uh, you know, hun

698
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 4: high and stay the hell outter and give him safe zones.

699
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: I don't give anything a safe zone.

700
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 4: If that deer is living on that ground, he's gonna

701
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 4: have to contend with me coming after him.

702
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: You know.

703
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: I'll do a slow, slow set up a couple of

704
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: times on an evening post, trying try and work it

705
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: where you know, I always said, if you find where

706
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 4: he sleeps, you could kill him, right, So if you

707
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: got that piece of that information at betting where he's at,

708
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 4: I mean, the further out you get from that, it's

709
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: a big it's a it's a tougher to get them

710
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 4: sort of closer, and the more intimate you can get

711
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 4: on that, your chances are better. So you've heard of

712
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: these two three day cycles on Bucks where you guys

713
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 4: will see him every two three days. Well, guess what, dude,

714
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 4: there's a there's an everyday cycle somewhere, and if you

715
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 4: can find that spot and be on that edge, your

716
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 4: percentages come up. He might be on another property you

717
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: can't get to, but he may be somewhere you can.

718
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 4: And then you want to be You want to be

719
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 4: in the game and get your crack. You know, there's

720
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 4: nothing worse than knowing where dere's at having him there

721
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 4: and got your backpedal, and don't even you never get

722
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 4: up the back. You never get to take a swing,

723
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 4: you know. So yeah, that's tougher guys. That's like diving

724
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 4: on a cold water. Guys really find it difficult to

725
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: do some of the things I do. It's like they

726
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: just can't get theirself to get They think they're going

727
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: to just mess it up for.

728
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: Good, you know.

729
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: And and I thought that way years ago. There's a

730
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 4: big hat that one off. I mean, the more I

731
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 4: did it, the more my success went up. The more

732
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: aggressive I got, the more deer I jumped, the more

733
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 4: I bumped, the more I got into the game. I

734
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 4: was covered up with deer constantly all year, when other

735
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 4: guys were just flatten kno October lull or just not

736
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: seeing the deer because they're just they're just not they're

737
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: not going to chase, they're not hunting them there, they're waiting.

738
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: They're waiting for the deer to basically come to them

739
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 4: instead of you going to the deer. So well, you

740
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 4: might you might have just answered my next question.

741
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: But but feel free to go a different direction if

742
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: you want to.

743
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 3: But my next question is going to be what is an.

744
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: Unusual habit or belief that you have that most other

745
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: deer hunters think is absurd or crazy, but you know

746
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: helps you as a deer hunter.

747
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: Would it be what you just described or is there

748
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: something else? They always come back.

749
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: Guys think they bought these big deer and they go

750
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 4: leave somewhere, they go nocturnal, they start playing the gamest,

751
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: running circles around you. But if you are hunting in

752
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 4: their home range, you're not burning them out of there.

753
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: And I'm not.

754
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: Here's where they might be a little different different. I'm

755
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: hunting the top dog, the dominant bucks.

756
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 3: Now some of them that are.

757
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: When I say they're the dominant, they're the kingpin in

758
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 4: an area. There might be a deer there that's more

759
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 4: aggressive and as dominant, but they are a dominant bucking area.

760
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 4: They get their areas where they feed, they get the breed,

761
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 4: they get the best of it. That's their home. They're

762
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: not leaving because of you know, another buck. You see

763
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 4: these studies about that, they're talking about these deer that

764
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: the ranges that they got put these collars on.

765
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 3: Those are two and a half year old buck.

766
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 4: A two and a half year old buck can't find

767
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 4: a place to bet anywhere. Every knob it goes on,

768
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: it gets it's ass kicked by three and a half

769
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 4: four and a half year old buck. So they got

770
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 4: to go wander around and go find where they want

771
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 4: top dog. These big deers I hunt, they are in

772
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 4: them same betting areas for different wins, and they they

773
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 4: work for them, and that's where they are, and that's

774
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 4: that's there. Nobody else gets to that best spot.

775
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: They get it.

776
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: So I find those best spots that I get it.

777
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: It could be just a property like this is a

778
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 4: square mile. You could have all your books on one

779
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: section of it. You can be hunting on the other section.

780
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 4: There's still could be decent signing that, but you're not

781
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: seeing shit, and it's they're not there.

782
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: You got to go to where the deer are.

783
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: And when you're going into where the deer are, you

784
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: end up seeing a lot of deer in the morning,

785
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: bumping them all, bumping deer.

786
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go hunt. It's too noisy. I

787
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: pray to God that I'm bumping all kinds of shit when.

788
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 4: I'm because I know him the game. I'm in a

789
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: bunch of deer. Then I don't want to go to

790
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 4: somewhere it's like a ghost town. There's you know, no

791
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: signs and tracks and waiting for it to happen. That's

792
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: a different type of hunter. When it gets into the rout,

793
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: you can do some crazy stuff like that, but and

794
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 4: then an rotch, you got to go with some old

795
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: school I read sign, I stay on sign, and I believe, well,

796
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: my eyes are telling me I don't. I don't all

797
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 4: the stuff you read years past, and you know, they

798
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 4: say you can't do this, you can't do that.

799
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: I've never was a big guy to follow that.

800
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 4: I just cut it on my own and I learned

801
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 4: it on my own, and it's a lot of that

802
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 4: stuff just I don't know what you'd call it, but

803
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 4: I know what works, and I'll stick with what's working

804
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: for me.

805
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, what what would you say is your

806
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: very most important habit, whether it's in your daily life

807
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: or during hunting season. What's that thing that you always

808
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: have to do over and over and over again for

809
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: you to be effective for hunting deer. I mean, maybe

810
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: it's something in your regular life that maybe isn't obviously

811
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: helps you.

812
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 4: It's it's it's whatever I'm doing, whatever I'm thinking about,

813
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 4: whatever I'm I'm designing a lot of products. I do

814
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: things that there's a whole half of that brain that

815
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 4: while I'm doing all that, is always thinking white tail

816
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: and where the next thing is and what you know,

817
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 4: where that deer travel last year, what he did, what

818
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 4: time he was coming out at this time of the year,

819
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: and certain things. Was he was he one to just

820
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 4: bust loose? He's really a big deer. Uh weather over anything.

821
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 4: You know, get a good cold front coming and ship.

822
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 4: It changes the scenario on that when that, you know,

823
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: I pray for a season that the NBA temperature is

824
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: colder than it normally, is not one of these hot,

825
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 4: horrible seasons that it's uh so, I'm thinking this all

826
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 4: out my mind all the time. That's all I think

827
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 4: about is you know, his deer. I don't go out

828
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 4: and do a lot of messing around now. I don't

829
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: need to because even when I'll have intel on cameras

830
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 4: and then I'm still I'm still a scouur constantly all

831
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 4: year early season, reading the sign what's going on, and

832
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 4: uh yeah, your head's always in the game. It's always

833
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: thinking of and you're thinking bigger. Okay, where am I

834
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 4: going to have an opportunity at the biggest deer. This here,

835
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: nothing on this ground. So I got to leave this

836
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: for debt until some cameras something pops up and I go.

837
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 4: I go to the biggest and sometimes there aren't bigger

838
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: than your you're looking for, and it's then you settle

839
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 4: for the next best one, or settle to get a

840
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 4: good video, or however it is. But I've always been

841
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: one to just stay focused to quick story. So years

842
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: ago Adam Hayes came to me and some other people

843
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 4: to start a hunting show, and I told them, I says,

844
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 4: this aint. This is how a white Tail addictions actually

845
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: came about. I am going to run into a deer

846
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 4: I want, and I ain't killing any deer that year.

847
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stand that you're not gonna get any kills

848
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 4: out of me. I can't run a six different states

849
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 4: and shoot media or box just to get them on film.

850
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: I'll go there and I'll shoot some decent deer that

851
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: are worthy of shooting. But if I got something i'm

852
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: looking for, my season's done. Like this one here, I

853
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 4: would have been locked up the whole season.

854
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: Burn.

855
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 4: You ain't gonna get no show out of me. So

856
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: we made a decision to make a show about our customers,

857
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: which are all great hunters, and they submit footage and

858
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 4: we get kills out of them. You know, you get

859
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 4: one kill out of me, maybe maybe two. And then

860
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: now you got to show a full of a bunch

861
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 4: of kills because there's a bunch of guys hunting. Some

862
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 4: of these other guys that you know, this whole shows

863
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 4: on them. They're running around just shooting just for entertainment,

864
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 4: you know, mediocre bucks and then try to look excited

865
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 4: about it when.

866
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: They're doing it.

867
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: It's it wasn't going to happen. So I'm still like

868
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: that to this day. I just want to I want

869
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: what I want. And when I first shot my popen,

870
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: first Pope and young, it became a numbers game.

871
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: And I don't know why. In my mind, I was

872
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: always an athlete, and.

873
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 4: When there's a bar and a goal the set, you know,

874
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 4: you work different. You're you're not scattered all over the place.

875
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: And uh, I started hunting bigger deer and if there

876
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 4: wasn't a bigger deer on that property, then I just

877
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 4: didn't hunt. And I went until I found a property

878
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 4: or a spot that had the bigger deer, then I'd

879
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 4: hunt it, kill it. Then it would be bigger, and

880
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 4: then I'd have to go. I might go back to

881
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 4: the other property had a bigger one. And I've said

882
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 4: a numer times, but I think I didn't set it

883
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: on podcasts, But people a lot of people don't know

884
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 4: from from one twenty five and like an eighth my

885
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 4: first deer, all the way up to that first boon

886
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: and crocket, the score the deer I harvested every year

887
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: never went backwards. It went up every deer that was

888
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 4: killed every year with a little bigger, a little bigger score,

889
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 4: a little bigger score.

890
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: One year I passed up a buck hunting and or

891
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 3: was like one fifty five class deer three different times

892
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: just to shoot a one sixty. I already had it

893
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: one fifty five, So it's like, what do you out

894
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: of your mind shoot that?

895
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 4: I only get one take. So if I'm want I'm

896
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 4: a gold cetter, this is what I want. Then it

897
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 4: got to the point where I shot that first one

898
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy and shannimal and then it was like

899
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 4: then another light bulb went off, Wow, this is kind

900
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 4: of nice. You know, this is another level and now,

901
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 4: and you start just looking for one seventy plus, you know,

902
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: and then you get to the point where you're running.

903
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: You're running the openers, not a lot bigger, or the

904
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: chances of being bigger on the ground you have.

905
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: It's not real great. I'm lucky enough that we have some.

906
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 4: Good properties that produce some real slammers just about every year,

907
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: so there's something there to excited about. I traded it

908
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 4: all back for the first I wish I had that

909
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 4: rack here I haven't. In a garage I can show you.

910
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: I just went and did a big around. I got

911
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 4: my first first white tail buck with a bowl. It

912
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: was I don't even know if you can put a

913
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 4: score on it if it was sixty inches. It was

914
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 4: an eight pointer that you could put a grapefruit in

915
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: its rack. And I didn't give a shit about big

916
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 4: deer back then. I loved I wanted to shoot any

917
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 4: deer and I loved that. And that whole time on

918
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 4: public land going up to them deer instead of getting

919
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 4: into that one forty class. It was just awesome. I

920
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 4: just was hooked on it. Didn't get about it until

921
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 4: it got about score. Then I started getting about more

922
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: of a work type of thing. There was a scenario.

923
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 4: I was up north Honting public land and there was

924
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 4: a non typical.

925
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: It was a first virgin snow of the year.

926
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 4: Went in and in the woodlot there was a two

927
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 4: bucks chasing the door rum. One was a tiny little

928
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 4: buck off the quarter of the big the big non

929
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 4: typical ganting around. It was just about toppling over the

930
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 4: immensity of that deer. Probably would have been it would have

931
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 4: been a state record at that time. And at that

932
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 4: time I seen two deer chasing around a dog.

933
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: That's all that was. And literally I shot the smaller

934
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: one when they came by.

935
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: The smaller one claimed coles and I shot it. If

936
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 4: that scenario ever happened like today or later on in

937
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 4: my career, I would have went and moved up north

938
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 4: and never came back seeing my wife and kiss until

939
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 4: that deer. I'd hunt that deer to the ends of

940
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 4: the earth. And things have changed. So that's how it

941
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: is now. It's it's yeah, it's not about just the

942
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 4: enjoyment of harvest and the deer which you're bowing at.

943
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: It turned into harvesting good animals. And I like I

944
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: like a challenge. I do like a challenge. I don't

945
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: want to do that.

946
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 3: Just topples over.

947
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 4: So it's nice on there's one kind of out witting

948
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: you and out smart and you or out lucking you.

949
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know what the word is, but something.

950
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, you gotta remember there's forty years that

951
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 4: I saw. There's a lot of different scenarios that went

952
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 4: through the whole deal with since the whole thing, with

953
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 4: all this rattling and all this other stuff, and it

954
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: all just boiled back that I learned what I learned,

955
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: you know, and I stuck with what was learning.

956
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: You know.

957
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 4: I know, guys who rattled your ear, I can rattle,

958
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: and I tested rattling. I can rattle in tons of

959
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: books for the ones I want. It just seems like

960
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 4: your best opportunity for me is when they ain't got

961
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 4: a clue and they step into a setup.

962
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: They just do not have a clue that somebody's.

963
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 4: There on top of them, and then they get to

964
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 4: make that mistake of just coming through that day.

965
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 3: You know. But yeah, I guess.

966
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 4: I learned a lot over the years.

967
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: So well, you know, Andrea, there's so many people I've

968
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: talked to over the years who point to you as

969
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: being someone that they look up to or that they've

970
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: learned a lot from that they view as, you know,

971
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: an elite deer hunter.

972
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 3: And I'm curious, is is there.

973
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Anybody that you look to or that you have learned from,

974
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: or someone that you look as like, Man, that guy

975
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: is really good and I've learned some stuff from.

976
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 4: Is there anyone you can I plant to like that

977
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 4: say I've learned anything from anybody. But back in the

978
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 4: day years ago, I just thought Miles Keller. He had

979
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: the state record for state of Wisconsin. He's a little older,

980
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 4: he was at the shoals. I always kind of admired him.

981
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 4: He was killing some really good deer consistently.

982
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: Uh never prescribed to his methods.

983
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 4: And then there was the guy that turned out to

984
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: be a and end up Hulks or whatever in Michigan

985
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 4: the Umpala. When he was on the scene, I just

986
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 4: remember shooting the tiny deer and starting to get into

987
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 4: a couple of pop and young's that I thought, to myself,

988
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: holy shit, this guy is I thought that was amazing

989
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 4: that somebody would be out there and that's all they

990
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 4: were looking for. One seventy bucks, I though don't even

991
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 4: more are state record was one hundred and seventy seven inches,

992
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 4: So I said, they're not even out there, you know.

993
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 4: So that was the guy that I kind of looked

994
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: up to that but never you know, thought about or

995
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 4: looked about it was his hunting style or what it

996
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 4: was like that way, it's just that way wise. But

997
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 4: I don't think because I didn't read a lot of magazines,

998
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 4: I didn't listen to a lot of people. I basically

999
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 4: took the sport up on my own, started out running

1000
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: after deer with a recurve on the ground, flinging arrows,

1001
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 4: to climbing into trees and finding success more from elevated positions,

1002
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: and just it evolved.

1003
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: From where I started.

1004
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 4: So I think a lot of my hunting style and

1005
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 4: technique now is probably been adopted by all the guys

1006
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 4: and a lot of guys that I learned that, you know,

1007
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: these all of these guys were younger than me, and

1008
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: I sold in the first stands in that and the

1009
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 4: guys you're talking about, I actually become friends with and

1010
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 4: I hunting out just some of these younger crew.

1011
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: And it's amazing to me that.

1012
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: Like one would kill but like Keith killed a huge

1013
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 4: book on one of our leases and he told me

1014
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 4: where I killed it. And it's amazing to me. And

1015
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 4: I says, I says, how did you access that spot?

1016
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 4: And he he acts and normal guys, a lot of

1017
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 4: guys that would have would have not even thought. He said,

1018
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 4: it was obvious he had to he had to do

1019
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: this and go there. He went the same route that

1020
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 4: I took to ambush the deer on that same spot.

1021
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: That's the spot that you have to access. And he learned.

1022
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: He learns that people learned that by just hunting. And

1023
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: then some of the guys that when they first started out,

1024
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 4: some of the tiny deer they shot, you know, he

1025
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: got he's just going he got uh, justin Hollinsworth. So

1026
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 4: I visited some of their homes now years later, and

1027
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 4: I am impressed with the wall. Guys used to come

1028
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: into my house and you know, just about pistol he

1029
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 4: pants and they stand there in awe uh, and it

1030
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 4: happened to me.

1031
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 3: So this is how many years have gone by.

1032
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 4: So a lot of these guys have become you know,

1033
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 4: now they're twenty years in serious hunters. They learned the

1034
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 4: game and there there's successful every year and they got

1035
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 4: with work for him and they're doing it.

1036
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: Same with them.

1037
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 4: With Cody, I don't know how how it's been probably

1038
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 4: decades since we've hunted together.

1039
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: We have a hundred.

1040
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 4: He fucking ran off, excuse my language, ran off and

1041
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 4: own and was doing his own deal. And I remember

1042
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: I follow in law came out to the houses and

1043
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 4: he was over by Cody. He's looking in his living

1044
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 4: room and he's and these are some pretty nice deers.

1045
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: And then he came over my house. He was in

1046
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 4: the living room and I'm standing there watching this guy

1047
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 4: in the middle of the living room looking up in there,

1048
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 4: and he's like, I said, what the hell's problem? You know,

1049
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 4: like he was like just dumb phoning his boys. Was

1050
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 4: some decent deer over, but holy shit, these are really

1051
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 4: big deer because of the caliber. I had the same

1052
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: moment a couple of years back, as Cody had been

1053
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 4: stacking up on his own and doing his own hunting

1054
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 4: and not having the money for taxing him, and he's

1055
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 4: had racks sitting around. All of a sudden, he's getting

1056
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 4: them done. And I walked in his living room and

1057
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 4: I was impressed of the caliber and the amount of

1058
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 4: deer in the wall, and I was impressed with friends

1059
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 4: of mine, my own son. So there's guys that really

1060
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 4: stepped up to the plate and they are doing it,

1061
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 4: and a lot of them I think kind of adopted

1062
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 4: some of the technique that I had years ago, which

1063
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 4: is good to me. It's it's great, but stay off

1064
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: to have you know, we're on the same least now

1065
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 4: it's not so great. So yeah, they're kind of doing

1066
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 4: the same kind of thing. That's getting a little crowded,

1067
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 4: you know. So yeah, but no, I appreciate that, uh

1068
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 4: that dad is there, But yeah, I didn't come from

1069
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 4: hunting background. I came from a family that didn't hunt,

1070
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 4: so I really didn't have a father to teach me

1071
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 4: all the wrong lessons.

1072
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: I basically went and learned them all on my own.

1073
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1074
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, with all these people, we're kind of referencing

1075
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: all these best deer hunters that you've now surrounded yourself with.

1076
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: What's what's maybe one of the most common traits or

1077
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: mindsets that all of these best deer hunters all have, Like,

1078
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: can you point to something that is consisting across all

1079
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: of those best of the best people.

1080
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 4: Well, their whole life's revolve a wrong white tail hunting.

1081
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 4: I met some of their wives. You're a different this

1082
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 4: is a different breed of guy. I mean, there's a

1083
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 4: lot of guys that are hunters out there. There's decent hunters.

1084
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 4: They hunt every year to hunt a lot. But there

1085
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 4: are people that choose their career, choose their life, choose

1086
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 4: their partners around whitetail hunting. That's one thing when you

1087
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 4: get bit by that bug and then you get some

1088
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 4: success and they're smart enough to know, you go where the.

1089
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: Big deer are.

1090
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 4: You know, there's the big public hunting versus private deal.

1091
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 4: You know, I hunt public lan, I hunt private there

1092
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: are some world class deer on public land. I go

1093
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 4: to where the big deer are, don't. I would never

1094
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 4: go to an area that's got a shitload of guys

1095
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 4: in hunting that mess. It's it's just a waste of time.

1096
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 4: So two years ago there was a guy that we

1097
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 4: know here in Iowa. He had pictures of three bucks

1098
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 4: on public land that he was hunting within probably an

1099
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 4: hour and a half of our arm and the three

1100
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 4: deer were bigger, three bigger deer than any of the

1101
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 4: biggest deer we had on our farm.

1102
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: So they're there if you're firing him.

1103
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 4: But now he's going to have to contend with a

1104
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 4: bunch of guys to travel and all that. So you

1105
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 4: got to have a spot that's got him. And then

1106
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 4: you got to know how I'm going on. All of

1107
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 4: these guys are portable hunters here and they're gone tomorrow.

1108
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 4: They read sign and they set up accordingly, and they're

1109
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 4: not afraid to move in uh and make the make

1110
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 4: the move to to finish it off. So some a

1111
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 4: little more aggressive than others, but they've they've honed their

1112
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 4: trade over the years. I mean, they've been doing this

1113
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 4: for for decades too. And and you start out little,

1114
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 4: like I said, you should see the you're gonna see

1115
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 4: some of the pitchers in this forty year of the

1116
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 4: tiny little three point little bucks that I killed and

1117
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 4: I loved every minute of that.

1118
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 3: That was the start of it all. Christ guy's seeing

1119
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: you sitting into the north woods with a recurve for

1120
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: for for deer and they're like they thought you were.

1121
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: Are you out in your mind or your nuts? You

1122
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: know what?

1123
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 4: Are you chasing deer? A owing them what ball? I mean,

1124
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 4: that's I just love to do it, you know. So

1125
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: now that it's a whole well, you know though, this

1126
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 4: is huge. It's like everybody in their brothers hunting now

1127
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 4: and it's it's getting a little crowded, you know, so.

1128
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're more successful hunters. You know.

1129
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 4: Adam Hayes, he started a whole thing with two hundred.

1130
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 4: I remember him meeting him on the show.

1131
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: Young kid.

1132
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 4: He look like he just barely out of high school

1133
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 4: and he's out trophy. I've seen the stand he flipped

1134
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 4: over and bought one and and then got to you know,

1135
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 4: every year he'd come back and seen some of the

1136
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 4: nice year that he was shooting. He goes after big

1137
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: deer and the guys sit back watch. He's an observer.

1138
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 4: That's another thing that some of these guys are. I'm

1139
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 4: the same way. He got to be like a big buck.

1140
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 4: They sit back and they observe what's going on, and

1141
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 4: you got to sit back and kind of read what's

1142
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 4: going on, and like a binoc Here's most important piece

1143
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 4: of equipment for me. I mean, I have to not

1144
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 4: wage the day on post where you might get a

1145
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: glimpse of something and not see what it was. That

1146
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 4: just just I just get living on that. When that happens,

1147
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 4: I couldn't get the box up quick that could have

1148
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 4: been when I was after slipping out the back and

1149
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 4: I missed it, you know, or if you're sitting there

1150
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: and you can't see it, same thing. You know, you're

1151
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 4: you're there hunting, trying to get some intail to move

1152
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 4: in on these animals.

1153
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 3: So and a lot of these.

1154
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 4: Guys are I'm gonna have to say that they might

1155
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 4: have started out as killers, but a lot of them

1156
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 4: are hunters now. They literally are hunting specific animals, uh.

1157
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 4: And they're going after that that dear, and if it's

1158
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 4: not there, they goes to another specific big animal they

1159
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 4: go at. You know, at some point time you got

1160
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 4: to fill the wall at a bunch of deer just to

1161
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: just to make it impressive.

1162
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: But I never was about the numbers.

1163
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 4: You know, if everybody ever realized a mount in the

1164
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 4: caliber deer that I've passed over the years is just

1165
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 4: I got video you'll see in this fourth one of

1166
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: a Boon and crocket and that boone and crocket that

1167
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 4: I passed up twice on video back in the day,

1168
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 4: And what are you crazy?

1169
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: Why'd you do that?

1170
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 4: Because I had one tag and there was one hundred

1171
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 4: and eighty and twelve point running around That's why I

1172
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: did it. So those are things that you got to

1173
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 4: make personal decisions on. Whether you're chasing around two hundred

1174
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 4: inch bucks one seventies so world classroof, you just want

1175
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 4: to fill the freezer with meat, have at it, man,

1176
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 4: enjoy the enjoy the day.

1177
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 3: You know. I see a lot of these guys going

1178
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: back to recurves too.

1179
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not ready to get caught with a

1180
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 4: recurve in my hand and a world record typical stepping out.

1181
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not that guy, So we'll wait on that.

1182
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of world record typicals, I know, at one point,

1183
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, you've been pursuing that absolute top, top, top tier.

1184
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: I know you had state records and things like that,

1185
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: and from what I understand you, you've backed away from

1186
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: that a little bit to where now you're killing the

1187
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: best thing around.

1188
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 3: But what would happen Andre.

1189
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: If you did get wind of the buck that you

1190
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: really truly did believe was, Man, this could be the

1191
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: new world record typical or something like that, I'd be

1192
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: all over it.

1193
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, so you'd be all over it. What so

1194
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 3: I believe the start out with I've been in the game.

1195
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 4: Two different times of two different bucks that I believe

1196
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 4: would have beat the typical bowl world record two different bucks,

1197
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 4: and I got beat at them both. But when that

1198
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 4: comes on and that's it, it's I moved out of

1199
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 4: my state to another state to pursue that.

1200
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: So that's what I did.

1201
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 4: I left my family behind and everybody, and I went

1202
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 4: and moved to another state to chase a world record typical.

1203
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 4: That was my ultimate dream was to get a crack

1204
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: at or a shot at And you know what the

1205
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 4: chances are in the miracle of a guy even in

1206
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 4: the game for bloone and crockets, but let alone a

1207
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 4: world record tipic. But that's like, that's like win a

1208
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 4: lot of I guess I won a lotto twice because

1209
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 4: I had one on this property and I own when

1210
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 4: I first moved here that I believe would have been

1211
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 4: right there, and I want of Illinois definitely would have been.

1212
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 4: So in a career or forty years, I was on

1213
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 4: a two different bucks. I believe they've been at caliber now.

1214
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 4: I was on a lot of bucks. I screwed up

1215
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,479
Speaker 4: one after I shot that one in Wisconsin the year

1216
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 4: after I almost killed the non typical state record Wisconsin.

1217
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: I fucking missed the damn thing.

1218
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 4: At fifteen yards, the thing dropped its belly on me

1219
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 4: and went over the top, and that deer was just

1220
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 4: I started thinking to myself, how the hell am I

1221
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 4: even doing this? How am I even in the game

1222
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 4: with all these things? And man, if I kill that

1223
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 4: dear and against, somebody's gonna think I'm up to no

1224
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 4: good or some shit. I'm just I'm staying on it,

1225
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 4: going to where the big deer are. When I find

1226
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 4: big deer, I go knock on doors, I get permission,

1227
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 4: whatever I gotta do, I gotta go. I want to

1228
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 4: be in the woods with caliber deer that I want

1229
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 4: to shoot. Then I'm happier than happy to sit a

1230
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 4: whole hundred days in a row and just chase them

1231
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 4: around and maybe not even get them. At least I'm

1232
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 4: in the game, you know, I can't stand not being

1233
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 4: in the game. So you had two chances of deer

1234
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 4: like that in the past and they won. Let's say

1235
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 4: you get chance number three. So there's a third deer

1236
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 4: that that you get wind of and you have an opportunity. Yet,

1237
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 4: what's the biggest thing that you would do different than

1238
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 4: you did the first two times around? Oh, I don't

1239
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 4: know if I could say there be anything different I

1240
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 4: gotta get so now is this on a piece that

1241
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 4: I have, or now I got wind of it where

1242
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 4: it's on somebody else's ground, I got to get access

1243
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 4: to r That's gonna be a goofy scenario. I have

1244
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 4: to say, I hate them, say that my friends that

1245
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 4: hate me, But if they ended up being one on

1246
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 4: a property that I have, that'side least none of you

1247
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 4: guys are getting on for the year, go find another spodcast.

1248
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 4: And so there would be that I might even have

1249
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 4: to tell my son, if it's it's my ground, then

1250
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 4: it's access. This is this is what I've been here

1251
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 4: this whole life to do. It's gonna be one on

1252
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 4: one with me, and I don't I don't want anybody

1253
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 4: else around to do it. So that'd be one thing

1254
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 4: that would be kind of. People might think you're a

1255
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 4: low life for doing or whatever it is. But I'd

1256
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 4: give up everything, every minute a time i'd spend just

1257
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 4: going after that, I'd be I'd be in heaven again.

1258
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 4: Seventh uh seventh heaven. Trying to get get a crack

1259
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 4: at that deer. But now you got me all excited

1260
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 4: at that there might be a chance for me left

1261
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 4: that I was. I let that water go under the

1262
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 4: bridge years ago and gave up on that. You know,

1263
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 4: there's a lot of big deer and I still got

1264
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 4: access to hunt. But the typical world record and there

1265
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 4: are you got to be in the right states for

1266
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 4: and then to be again. You know, there there are

1267
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 4: caliber now being shot just about an every state that

1268
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 4: are out there.

1269
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 3: But it's still, dude, there's how many million bow hunters

1270
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 3: are you in the middle of.

1271
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 4: You talk about the numerical chance of the guy shooting

1272
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 4: the one seventies is huge, but it doesn't get bigger

1273
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 4: for a guy who's done it already. It's actually not

1274
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 4: a big number for him because he's been in that

1275
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 4: game and now it's just like another might be just

1276
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 4: another decent deer for it for someone. But but to

1277
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 4: have a so for me to have another typical world

1278
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 4: record deer on this property, I would think is would

1279
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 4: be almost impossible for all those stars to line up

1280
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 4: and to be here. I mean, never say number. But

1281
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 4: and the idiot I am last year it wasn't pretty garbage.

1282
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 4: There was a buck that if it busted off a

1283
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 4: couple of times, might have been that that caliber. So

1284
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 4: there are deer out there now that are just amazing

1285
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 4: where the hell l they go and where they height to.

1286
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 4: But I guess again, I'm going back to having them

1287
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 4: on your ground to be able to hunt is going

1288
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 4: to be. That's going to be like a win and

1289
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 4: a lotto type of deal, you know. The one that

1290
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 4: was here was actually passed through my ground very easily,

1291
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 4: but was on my lease on one side, and it

1292
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 4: was on a neighbor's ground that I had permission to

1293
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 4: hunt on another. And that year, for some reason, I

1294
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 4: burned up my my state tag early, so I was

1295
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 4: stuck on my ground with my landowner take and I

1296
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 4: was doing There was a kid, local kid here, trapper

1297
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 4: that was seeing this year and another piece I could get

1298
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 4: on like six different times where it was betting them,

1299
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 4: and I was just dying, I'm gonna get over, you know.

1300
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 3: And the one time he passed through.

1301
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 4: Mike ground, I didn't have a lot of cameras back then,

1302
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 4: but I seen him and I was I was actually

1303
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 4: getting down to make a move from their stand and

1304
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 4: I seen him coming on the ground with a don

1305
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 4: I went and jumped back in the stand hoping he

1306
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 4: would just chase that door around and get by me.

1307
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 4: And he never did, and he ended up on a

1308
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 4: different piece again. So I had my hands just strapped,

1309
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 4: you know. So there's a screw up that there's one

1310
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 4: screw up that we thought about that would never do again.

1311
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 4: I always look at my tags close. Now which one

1312
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 4: I'm filling out first, you know, burning up at the

1313
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 4: state wide tag?

1314
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 3: And also yeah, yeah.

1315
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: So you mentioned earlier some of the mistakes you may

1316
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: have made in the past, or some struggles you made.

1317
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned, you know, maybe shooting maybe being one thing

1318
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: you want to work on coming up. So I'm curious

1319
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: real quick. Let me just throw this out there to

1320
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: have the rest of this. What I want to understand

1321
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: is how you get better at something like when you

1322
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: identify something as like a weakness or an area that

1323
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: you can improve on a little bit, what's your process

1324
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: for getting better?

1325
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the problem that I probably had, and

1326
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 4: it's cost me, actually cost me a couple of deer

1327
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 4: last year or two.

1328
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 3: Equipment. So I don't like to shoot a ball.

1329
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 4: I shoot low pons now, so I don't have to

1330
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 4: shooting seventy years ago or shooting a rear curve. You

1331
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 4: had to have your muscles intact, and you have to

1332
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 4: consistently shoot.

1333
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: To be accurate with a bowl, you have to have

1334
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 3: I would shoot for a week.

1335
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 4: First five days, you're all over the place, your muscles

1336
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 4: get toned and had seventy pounds on your group in.

1337
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 4: I don't have to do that anymore or my bolls on.

1338
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 4: I shoot kind of instinctive through a pin. I can

1339
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 4: pick up the boat anytime of year and just shoot

1340
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 4: and group enough to shoot these deer at twenty yards.

1341
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 4: I found myself in a hunt in Illinois, or I

1342
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 4: literally and I shot, and I only shoot an arrow.

1343
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 4: Usually when I'm onto something good, I'll start shooting an arrow,

1344
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 4: even out of a tree when I leave, or at

1345
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 4: least one arrow to make sure everything's on. And I

1346
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 4: checked even the evening before I think I shot, and

1347
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 4: I pulled my ball up, and the morning I busted

1348
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 4: my pin off somehow on a step on the way

1349
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 4: up or whatever, and then I went to shoot and

1350
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 4: I couldn't find a pin on there and I end

1351
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 4: up pitting this animal in the neck and shit. And

1352
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 4: I was just fricking irate that I would let because

1353
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 4: I did everything. I was supposed to do right, and

1354
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 4: fate screwed me out of what are the chances.

1355
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 3: In one sit you broke that sit on there? Well,

1356
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 3: this year, because of my issues with fatigue and all that,

1357
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 3: my fiber optics were rip out of my sight, and

1358
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 3: because I don't shoot every day anymore, I didn't even

1359
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 3: know the fire broctor was out of here.

1360
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 4: I went to try and find that too, and I

1361
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 4: couldn't blurry vision. Getting older, I need a lens probably

1362
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 4: on them damn things. And it was horrible. I could

1363
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 4: tell you a couple of stories about old age I had.

1364
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 4: I went through a season literally probably legally blind one year,

1365
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 4: and I still filmed and got good footage and killed.

1366
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 4: I had the worst cataracts. I was telling my wife.

1367
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 4: She says, here fullish, you know, she says, blow me off.

1368
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 4: And I went into a doctor and said, he said,

1369
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 4: you got the worst cataract I've ever fixt seen.

1370
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 3: So I went. I literally shot out a deer.

1371
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 4: And I hate to tell about all these inconsistency of

1372
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 4: hitting one low set up on this deer, went up

1373
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 4: on a hundreds of yards away and set up on

1374
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 4: the same deer, And a rainstorm came in and I

1375
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 4: was up there vision shitty, haven't binociers out, and I

1376
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 4: see a huge buck come up and he's off all

1377
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 4: his rain and stuff, and man, I'm gonna get some

1378
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 4: good voters of this thing.

1379
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: I can't.

1380
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 4: I was trying to look into bnocker as you know

1381
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 4: what he was, what kind of times, and I just

1382
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 4: never dawned on me it was that the deer that

1383
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 4: I was after.

1384
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 3: Literally, I got on video.

1385
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 4: I let that deer come through, walk five yards under

1386
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 4: my stand and head out, and I could not tell

1387
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 4: it was even the same deer that I was after.

1388
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 4: It just because we have a lot of there's a

1389
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 4: lot of decent big deer here. I went and showed

1390
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 4: Cody that freaking video and we put it on a

1391
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 4: laptop now because I was looking on my little phone,

1392
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 4: and he said, you're you're freaking with me right now,

1393
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 4: aren't you?

1394
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 3: Just? What do you mean freaking with you? He said

1395
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 3: that that was the buck that you were after. Im freaking.

1396
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 4: So he blows the damn thing up, and I'm like,

1397
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 4: son of a freaking bitch. I mean, I can't win

1398
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 4: the ba Loson. So I went pad surgery the next year.

1399
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 4: Here's another good story. These guys talk about it. I'd

1400
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 4: mentioned this before too, and I'm getting old, so I

1401
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 4: mentioned stories multiple times, but they're complaining about not having

1402
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 4: their new tree stand for opening day. This guy did

1403
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 4: surgery on one of my eyes and then I had waited,

1404
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 4: so opening day I was literally I only had one

1405
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 4: eye to use and going out of hunting. So finally

1406
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 4: got them both fixed and and all that. But that

1407
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 4: same year, I videoed the deer that I was after

1408
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 4: got out on him because he was not a big

1409
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 4: amensa brack.

1410
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 3: There was another deer that were around. I wassiming that

1411
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 3: we're decent.

1412
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 4: Literally I could have had him at fifteen yards and

1413
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 4: I probably could have shot him, and I thought he

1414
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 4: was just a smaller small buck.

1415
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I was literally out there freaking blind.

1416
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 4: And with the amount of years that I went with

1417
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 4: the camera, I know I can literally video with my

1418
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 4: eyes closed knock because I can point the camera had

1419
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 4: a spot and just blow it back out and I

1420
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 4: got I'm getting great video footage, but it'd be nice

1421
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 4: to know what the hell you're seeing. So these are

1422
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 4: all things you're gonna deal with and later on in

1423
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 4: your life, and it's it's frustrating because if you hunt

1424
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 4: at the level I do, it's man, you don't want

1425
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 4: to run out of gas. You don't want to have

1426
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 4: issues like that. God forbid I ever have to start

1427
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 4: wearing glasses out in the woods. Again, biggest handicap many

1428
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 4: hundred whatever have is they have glasses in the woods.

1429
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 4: These deer spots you from a mile away with that

1430
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 4: lens on. So right, hang on to hang on to

1431
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 4: that for a bit. But no, it's a it's a

1432
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 4: whole whole new game. I don't know how you know.

1433
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 4: I'll long run it, but I'm gonna run it to

1434
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 4: the end. They're probably gonna find me that in the

1435
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 4: ones that'll have bowled my hand still, So.

1436
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 3: Have you got to go? That's not a bad way

1437
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 3: to go. Oh no, that'd be the wuld be ultimate

1438
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 3: way to go.

1439
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: Actually, a lot of these different challenges you've mentioned, it

1440
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: seems like your approach to dealing with it, your approach

1441
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: to getting better or handling it, is to push through,

1442
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: to just keep working harder, to keep doing things right.

1443
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 4: So we started with the equipment, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1444
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 4: if you want to go, go your trade of thought

1445
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 4: and I'll go back to that. So what I'm doing

1446
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 4: different for for that sure.

1447
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: So so my next question was going to be and

1448
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: and maybe this will tie into what you're mentioning there,

1449
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: But hard work is a thing that I've heard you

1450
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: kind of bring up, maybe not those exact words, but

1451
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: you've talked about it in different ways, and many many,

1452
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: many other deer hunters will always point back to that way.

1453
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 3: You gotta work hard, you gotta work hard.

1454
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm just curious about what that actually means to you,

1455
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: like how you would define hard work, what that what

1456
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: that actually looks like for you, because people hear it

1457
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: and don't necessarily know what it means.

1458
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: So when I say it's hard work, it ain't easy.

1459
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 3: You know.

1460
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 4: I've already found had guys friends that want to shoot

1461
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 4: their first pop young and I had deer lined up

1462
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 4: that I could have went and killed. I know where

1463
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 4: they were at, and I told them where the goal set,

1464
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 4: and you'll shoot the deer's coming out there every evening

1465
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 4: on a bean field. There goal sit there, You'll you'll

1466
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 4: kill it, damn deer. And he's like, well, is there

1467
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 4: anything any closer or anything? You know, it was a

1468
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 4: long walk back in from a weird way that it

1469
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 4: took some work to get in there and la the guy.

1470
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't want to do that that type

1471
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 3: of work.

1472
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 4: But these younger guys nowadays, I'm not going to mention

1473
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 4: any names that I've seen them and to follow him.

1474
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 4: They think that it usually go out there and just

1475
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 4: run all over hellm and put these miles on.

1476
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 3: That that's going to.

1477
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 4: End up killing you a big deer. If you're just

1478
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 4: running around there and not absorbing anything or learning anything

1479
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 4: from it. You're just running around like an idiot and

1480
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 4: putting miles on. And everybody's made those mistakes. I did

1481
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 4: that years ago, open the Big Woods. I'd go so

1482
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 4: far deep in thinking I'm getting away way back in

1483
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 4: the middle of note, This'll be this, gonna be paradise back.

1484
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 3: And then I went so far back in two miles

1485
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 3: back that I came out some guys backyard and shit

1486
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 3: on highways that you know, this is area with no highways.

1487
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, all the big deer are up right

1488
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 3: where I went in, you know, so read the sign

1489
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 3: and believe what you see and go at it.

1490
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 4: And there's amount of hard work and do the control

1491
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 4: deal that I do. Do that roundwork. When I get

1492
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 4: boots on the ground. I'd do a new property of

1493
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 4: a perimeter check. It's a muff for me to do

1494
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 4: a complete perimeter check of a property. I need to

1495
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 4: get that in my head, a schematic of what's coming

1496
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 4: and going out with the trails here and there, and

1497
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 4: then I can go in and everything that I see

1498
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 4: inside that makes sense in the middle of it. If

1499
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 4: I go in the middle of it first, nothing that

1500
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 4: was out there, it doesn't make any sense to me.

1501
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 4: It's all just random here, random there. You know, try

1502
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 4: and read your compass or whatever the hell it deals.

1503
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 4: So these guys that you know that pick the spots

1504
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 4: with the maps and all that. Now and this, you

1505
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 4: can't see what I see on a map. And you

1506
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 4: could pick good spots here from a map on here,

1507
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,560
Speaker 4: a good funnels, and you'd be there and half the

1508
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 4: season they're ice cold and not a deer movement through it,

1509
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 4: but they're excellent spots on a certain time.

1510
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 3: You've got to be in real time.

1511
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 4: The most important thing to me is to be in

1512
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 4: the game when the game's happening, not a day late

1513
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 4: and a dollar short, as my mom used to say.

1514
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 4: And there's guys that can do that and there's guys

1515
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 4: that not They can't read the signer, they don't even

1516
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 4: realize what they're looking for.

1517
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 3: So that's gonna have to be something you learn to

1518
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 3: be able to pick. You know.

1519
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 4: I used to always argue about that well buck, big

1520
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 4: buck spot, big bucks betting areas where that big buck

1521
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 4: is betting, it could be anywhere. There's no defined area

1522
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 4: to where it's at. I found him in the craziest

1523
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 4: fricking places you'd never even think to look, and that's

1524
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 4: where they're betting. So that's that big buck bettings. Now,

1525
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 4: maybe next year he dies and it's not maybe another

1526
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 4: deer moves in. It is so, but some of these

1527
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 4: haunts that I find on leases and all that, on

1528
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 4: the lay of the lands, the same, if the winds

1529
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 4: right and the same, those deer are.

1530
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 3: Going to be there every year.

1531
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 4: Is the biggest spot that you have to go look at.

1532
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 4: But it might not be the caliber you want. So

1533
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 4: it's still a good spot. Still could be hunting every year.

1534
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 4: But now you talk about scrapes and rubs. You know

1535
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 4: how many scrapes are on this property. If I burned

1536
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 4: the day just to sit one to see what the

1537
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 4: buck was coming in That's why I put cameras on always.

1538
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 4: I need to know that that scrape has a deer

1539
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 4: I'm after on it. Now it's a whole other game

1540
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 4: now that scrape is important to me. So there's a lot.

1541
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 4: And I enjoy scouting and reading, so that's the big

1542
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 4: thing about it. I love poking around and was that

1543
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 4: is my even when I trapped, you know, I'd run

1544
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 4: a trap line up the middle of the river and stuff,

1545
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 4: and I just enjoyed being out claustrophobic so in the outdoors.

1546
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 3: And the more time spent out there, the better I feel.

1547
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: You mentioned hunting something like one hundred days a year.

1548
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: Was that including days that you're just scouting to or

1549
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: is there additional scouting.

1550
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 3: Day every day that I hunt?

1551
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 4: I mean I scout, so I don't do so when

1552
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 4: I used to years ago, hunting a lot of that public,

1553
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 4: I would hunt so hard and so often I'd almost

1554
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 4: be like a marathon runner.

1555
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 3: I need a cool down period. So what I would

1556
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 3: do after the season, and like you know, back then

1557
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 3: it was.

1558
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 4: December or whatever, it was snowy cold in Wisconsin, I'd

1559
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 4: have a cool out period and then what I would

1560
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 4: do is I would literally get headphones on some John

1561
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 4: Denver playing in my ears, and I would go to

1562
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 4: these square mile uh public grounds or some some big areas,

1563
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 4: and I would go in.

1564
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 3: And just just you know, now you're not hunting.

1565
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 4: You can go anywhere you want, look anywhere you want,

1566
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 4: and you're not concerned about having a set up here

1567
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 4: and there. You're just dissecting that area to learn that

1568
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 4: lay that land better. And that's how it would cool down.

1569
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 4: And I would enjoy doing that, and I would trap

1570
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 4: some coyotes and stuff, I mean, foxes back in the

1571
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 4: day afterwards, just to be able to gear back down.

1572
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 4: Now in the winter, now you got to go indoors

1573
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 4: every day and all that ship and to work. It

1574
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 4: was it was horrible for guys kind of likes to

1575
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 4: be out there. So even now, I just can't stand

1576
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 4: the office work. I'd rather be out on a tractor

1577
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 4: just getting dirty and and sweating up a storm and

1578
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 4: enjoying the enjoying with life life has to offering.

1579
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 3: You know.

1580
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there with you, But yeah, it's what

1581
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: about thinking back on it another part of the Yeah, okay,

1582
01:14:59,120 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 1: I just want to go.

1583
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 4: Back to equipment with I guess I'm so rough on

1584
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 4: that stuff that I need to pay a little more

1585
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 4: attention to that. I got a good friend who was

1586
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 4: going to bull shop for years. He looked at my

1587
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 4: my strings on my bowls and just just warn worn

1588
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 4: and shit and nicked up and all that. And I

1589
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 4: don't care about that. I can pick that ball up

1590
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 4: and shoot and hit what I need to hit. And

1591
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 4: like the pin last year I went, I drove out

1592
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 4: and I heard some shit rattling and it was my

1593
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 4: pin rattle or my sight rattle loose on my ball.

1594
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 3: I'm like shit, and I'm halfway out there. I got

1595
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 3: a run back.

1596
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 4: I could see kind of where it was at, so

1597
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 4: I had to tighten it back up and take a shot,

1598
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 4: make sure it was on, and then go back out.

1599
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 4: I'm hunting a little better equipment now, dovetails on there

1600
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 4: where it could be tightened up. I step on my

1601
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 4: bow when I'm getting on a tree a lot of times,

1602
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 4: and you know, just because I'm just such thick crap,

1603
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 4: and half the time the bowl might be halfway down,

1604
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 4: stuck in a limb to get down out of some

1605
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 4: of these trees.

1606
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 3: So it's I'm really rough on my equipment.

1607
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 4: Uh, And I need to really start paying more attention

1608
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 4: to making sure that that that's the final seal of

1609
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 4: the deal, which to me was like the least important,

1610
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 4: which should probably be one of even more important. If

1611
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 4: I was a shooter that guys were nowadays or some

1612
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 4: of these other guys were to do it, you would

1613
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 4: have no idea of the shit that I'd have on

1614
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 4: the wall if I had that talent to be able

1615
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 4: to shoot out to forty consistently and real good, I

1616
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 4: mean world class shit after world class ship. But I'm

1617
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 4: here a kid limited Back in the day, We're shoot

1618
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty five feet per second with a

1619
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 4: six inch arc at twenty yards, and you know, it

1620
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 4: was like and they're not very good of a shot

1621
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 4: and untuned bowl.

1622
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I'm gonna start doing that.

1623
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna shoot a little bit more every

1624
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 4: not that I'm gonna enjoy it, but I'm just gonna

1625
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 4: have to force myself to be more consistent. But here's

1626
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 4: what happens to and what happened in the past on

1627
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 4: a bail or even when a recurve, I'm not that

1628
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 4: accurate of a shot. But when it comes time to

1629
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 4: shoot an animal, and there's the scariest part about it.

1630
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 4: After I shoot, I can't even remember putting a pin

1631
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 4: on an animal, which is a scoop man that I did.

1632
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 4: I brick a name, but I get it on there.

1633
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 4: And it's because I take instinctive takes over. I look

1634
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 4: at the spot and I just let her rip. I

1635
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 4: can shoot animals moving, jogging very you know. Occasionally I'll stop,

1636
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 4: but I really don't need to. And after this year,

1637
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 4: I think maybe I might have to start revisiting some

1638
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 4: of that. Some of that stuff get a little more

1639
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 4: consistent with. I went to a peep a few times

1640
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 4: and went away from it.

1641
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 3: What are people do for you?

1642
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,560
Speaker 4: Then that goes to a mechanical and non instinctive and

1643
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 4: it will it will check you. But a lot of

1644
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 4: times I don't have that lousy extra second to check

1645
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 4: that ring in. I need to get her up, get

1646
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 4: her ripping it's happening, is coming through, and get that

1647
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 4: arrow off.

1648
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 3: So I had to struggle that way.

1649
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna make sure that that maybe the strings

1650
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 4: are waxed and they're all not cut through, or you know,

1651
01:17:58,280 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 4: go back to what I used to do.

1652
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 3: Shoot at these an arrow.

1653
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 4: A lot of times I have on my quiver and

1654
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 4: when I get down in the morning, I just pick

1655
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 4: a leaf and and shoot hit the leaf. You know,

1656
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 4: you're on you know, and before you go out and

1657
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 4: you got a bail, just fling an arrow into it.

1658
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 4: Know everything's because that's the biggest thing. It's not gonna

1659
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 4: be your shooting ability. It's going to be your your

1660
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 4: equipment got knocked off a pan of sight or or

1661
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 4: something like that. So yeah, so preparedness. I think you

1662
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 4: want to trade some guys that are good hunters. All

1663
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 4: of these guys are anal son of a bitches about

1664
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 4: their equipment, being efficient using it and having your shit

1665
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 4: together way more than even like I am with some

1666
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 4: of the stuff with with the bowls and all that.

1667
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 4: So I think that's another big thing. That's uh, you know,

1668
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 4: a guy could uh could key on you. But a

1669
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 4: lot of guys have that ability and not the other

1670
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 4: soul lesser the two.

1671
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: You know. So here's another one that that you hear

1672
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: it get brought up a lot, and that's mental toughness.

1673
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,480
Speaker 1: How how would you say mental toughness factors into your success.

1674
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 3: If at all? And how would you define mental toughness?

1675
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 4: Like, what does that look like for you, you're looking

1676
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 4: at the mentally toughest son of a bit you've ever

1677
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 4: seen in your life right here.

1678
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 3: So last year, i'll make a public right now.

1679
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 4: I came to the point where I know somebody was

1680
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 4: a really good hunter who went through a season that

1681
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 4: went the hell that gave up on it. Literally it

1682
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 4: was too much and gave up in a season. I

1683
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 4: got to that point like six times last year, and

1684
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 4: I pushed the accelerator pedal. I literally woke up at

1685
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 4: two different times hanging in my safety harness. I passed

1686
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 4: out cold and was hanging from my tree and my

1687
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 4: harness and crawled back up on the freaking stand.

1688
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 3: I had two torn rotator cuffs.

1689
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 4: I literally could not even get my backpack on without

1690
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 4: laying on the ground and getting into my stand from

1691
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 4: a tree.

1692
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,839
Speaker 3: I literally passed out on the way in one morning.

1693
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 4: And up at in the dark, sat down next to

1694
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 4: the tree, lost my balance, sat down and woke up

1695
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 4: that sun up. I thought I was freaking freaking dead,

1696
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 4: and got back up and went up that freaking hill

1697
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 4: and got in that tree that I was supposed to

1698
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 4: be in early that day because I went in early

1699
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 4: because that buck was going through there. So as far

1700
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 4: as mental tough then you're gonna you're gonna kill me

1701
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 4: and drag me out of it. Was that's I'm not

1702
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 4: gonna get beat there because I'm gonna just push on.

1703
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 4: And I was that way probably in the left the

1704
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 4: next two you know, he get in a fight with me,

1705
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 4: I'm not losing, You're you're you're gonna kill me, or

1706
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 4: you're losing. I just will not give up. I've never

1707
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 4: been that that guy. I don't know where I got

1708
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 4: that from. My uh, I might have been my mother.

1709
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 4: To tell you the truth book, I just and there's

1710
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 4: some guys out in their mental toughness, but you can

1711
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 4: do this is what I just went through with that

1712
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 4: buck last year. That deer was one of the one

1713
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 4: of the biggest typicals. I got on the wall that

1714
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 4: that crushes people, crucifies them, and it did early on

1715
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 4: for me. And I learned that lesson so many years

1716
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 4: is because it's happened numerous times, so you.

1717
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 3: Learn to get through it. You almost have to.

1718
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 4: You build that that shield up. But I think that's

1719
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 4: the ship that gets you coming back for more.

1720
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 3: Man that.

1721
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 4: If everything's the same humdrum ship and it's in these

1722
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 4: deer would just roll over and you kill them. What

1723
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 4: what excitement isn't that in that deer?

1724
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 3: You know?

1725
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's a big part of the game physical,

1726
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 4: you know, Elk hunting maybe so much if you're most

1727
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 4: guys are a couple of weeks a year hunting. The

1728
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 4: other guys that hunt really serious, like a lot of

1729
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 4: guys on these pages that really are, you know, they're

1730
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 4: all year hunters like I was. That's gonna some physical

1731
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 4: shit's going to come in there, But most these younger

1732
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 4: guys are probably in the in the shape to handle it,

1733
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 4: you know. But I would think more more of that

1734
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 4: mental toughness to to deal with the amount of failure

1735
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 4: you're going to deal. Here's another thing I always said,

1736
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever failed in anything in my life.

1737
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 3: If anything I set my mind out to do, I achieve.

1738
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 3: I get beat up.

1739
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 4: I might get knocked down a million times, and I

1740
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 4: end up getting up and winning the game. Whatever it

1741
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 4: is I've been at. This is one area I cannot

1742
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 4: win at. I get my ass kicked every freaking year.

1743
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 4: And I don't know if I like it or what,

1744
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 4: but it's it's the challenge and it stays challenging. The

1745
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 4: sport it's it's the ultimate freaking sport I think is

1746
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 4: to uh to hunt wait till with a bull it's

1747
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 4: just and then to go after caliber and specific animals.

1748
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 4: It's like matching your wits with something that's you know

1749
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 4: better than you are, so come up empty a lot,

1750
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 4: you know, but it's uh, that's that's what drives me,

1751
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 4: keeps me coming back for more.

1752
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: So when you have these moments where you pass out

1753
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: and have to climb back up into your tree, or

1754
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: you fall asleep next to the tree on the ground

1755
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: and you wake up and you're like, holy crap, I

1756
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: am war the heck out, or you miss that deer

1757
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: or whatever, all these things that can happen that go wrong,

1758
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: and you you don't quit.

1759
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 3: You never quit.

1760
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 1: You pushed through what's your internal dialogue, like do you

1761
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe you're not the same way appen.

1762
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 3: I'm a tough situation.

1763
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 4: That stuff has never happened to me before. That was

1764
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 4: this year that that happened, and it probably never happened

1765
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 4: to me again. But my train of thought was this

1766
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 4: was going to be my last probably season in the

1767
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 4: woods and I was going freaking out with a bang man.

1768
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 3: I was going to just hit it hard. I had opportunities.

1769
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 4: I could have came up with my biggest season this year,

1770
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 4: and I wanted to end up on that note.

1771
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 3: And I've failed at that.

1772
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 4: Like I said, I got a couple of kills, but

1773
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 4: not the ones that I wanted, had the opportunities that

1774
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 4: the one I wanted and screwed up.

1775
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 3: And you know, I could blame it on that.

1776
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 4: Physical letdown for me this year because it was it

1777
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I can't even explain to you, there's nobody,

1778
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 4: nobody in the right mind. If my wife would have

1779
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 4: known what have been going on, she'd probably would have

1780
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 4: tackled me and not let me out to freaking door

1781
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 4: what was going on. But I was set in my

1782
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 4: head that I'm going out and and in the condition

1783
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 4: I'm on, who runs down to Kentucky and hunts some

1784
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 4: ship like that in that heating and all these different

1785
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 4: states and just every day and not letting up a

1786
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 4: bit because I just wanted to. I wanted to run

1787
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 4: that ship right out of me and figure that and

1788
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 4: and towards the end I think I did. I think

1789
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 4: I started getting h a little better and getting a

1790
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 4: little more. I still ain't getting to sleep I needed,

1791
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 4: But it was the mindset I had, what do you

1792
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 4: want to go in a hospital bed and die or

1793
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 4: would you rather go go out swing? And what your

1794
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 4: what your passionate life was?

1795
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 3: You know?

1796
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 4: And then on top of it, designing like seven new

1797
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 4: freaking products myself.

1798
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's the neighbors will come by here

1799
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 3: occasional too.

1800
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 2: You know.

1801
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 4: When I first retired for a retired guy, I got

1802
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 4: I camp every time we come by there. What you're

1803
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 4: up on the ladder, You're moving, You're doing shit. It's like,

1804
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 4: you know what am I supposed to do? Go sit

1805
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 4: in the house and freaking watch TV? I mean, this

1806
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 4: is getting boring, man. I got to get back into

1807
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 4: some some some living, you know. So I'm not gonna

1808
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 4: let the old man in.

1809
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit it. Hired this year, hopefully that dear

1810
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 3: is back.

1811
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 4: We've got more new products again this year, and then

1812
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 4: this is forty I'll start back pedal a little bit

1813
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 4: off this business probably in the next couple of years.

1814
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 4: They got Cody's you know, running the operation there and

1815
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 4: my daughter and we've got some really good people now

1816
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 4: for white tail addictions in place that part of it's

1817
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 4: I'm I'm able to kind of start letting loose a

1818
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 4: little bit, but it was tough to do for perfectionists.

1819
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 3: Nothing's ever good enough, right.

1820
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 4: So in that point and maybe we'll get get to

1821
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,560
Speaker 4: do a little bit more with the Way from the

1822
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 4: grand Is. But I'm telling you right now season comes,

1823
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 4: I'm you can bet you can bet your your bottom dollar.

1824
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 4: I will be out there and I will be hitting

1825
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 4: as hard as I can, I guess looking for that

1826
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 4: next next big hit, you know.

1827
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I've got a couple final kind of

1828
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: rapid fire questions. So so I'll give these to you

1829
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: quick and you can give me kind of a quick

1830
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: first thought answer on it, and we'll knock these out fast.

1831
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: Here for you, what is a purchase you've made of

1832
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars or less that has most positively impacted

1833
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: your hunting success?

1834
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 3: So what's been like you? I got to answer to quick.

1835
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 3: I gotta think about this purchase or less.

1836
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 1: So your best one hundred dollars or less purchase for

1837
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,839
Speaker 1: hunting gear some kind that either made it more effective

1838
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: or made it more enjoyable or something for gear yeah,

1839
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: what's one budget gear that actually.

1840
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 4: In the archery industry? Now it's on our hundred bucks.

1841
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, getting hard to find that. God,

1842
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 4: I'm stumped that that is like an all awakening type.

1843
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not supposed to. I'm not supposed to answer

1844
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: questions for you, but something just popped in my mind.

1845
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: Would it be your face mask? Like, I know that's

1846
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: a little thing that has seen make dem I make

1847
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: that face mak I sow them up myself. I still

1848
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: got and I got the recipe to do it, to

1849
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: bring it commercially. But it's like, there's really not a

1850
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: lot of money on face mask. And what I'll do

1851
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: is everybody starts using them, They'll start killing all kinds

1852
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: of ship too. So I figured I just stood on that.

1853
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: But so one of my most important things, that's the

1854
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: key thing. Optics again, Uh, you know, binocias are very

1855
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: very I don't know. I can't understand the guys how

1856
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: guys can even hunt without a set of mon ocuras

1857
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: on them. But guys do because they want to take

1858
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: the extra weight and maybe they got great vision. But

1859
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: even when I had great vision, it's it's still an

1860
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: important thing. But yeah, you answered it for me, but.

1861
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 4: It didn't cast it doesn't They don't cost the time

1862
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 4: because I just karing old blind up to shoot through

1863
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 4: material and get some you know, I sold too, by

1864
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 4: the way, and very talented in that area, you know.

1865
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 4: So yeah, well that that that you answered that for me,

1866
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 4: because I can't think of anything.

1867
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: That's like I said, how about how about this? Here's

1868
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: a slightly different version of that. If you had to

1869
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: give up all of your high end gear, like all

1870
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 1: of the tree stands you've made yourself, all of the

1871
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: equipment that you've designed over the years, the bow you

1872
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: bought or got, the all your top tier stuff. I

1873
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: know you've got a lot of high quality hunting gear,

1874
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: but if you had to get rid of all the

1875
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:22,839
Speaker 1: top tier stuff and replace it with bare bones, budget

1876
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: friendly stuff.

1877
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 3: So if you had to like go to Walmart and

1878
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 3: just get Walmart Camo, a Walmart bow, a Walmart.

1879
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: Everything else, all your stuff was going to be entry

1880
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 1: level except for one category of things, Like you could

1881
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: have one high end thing. Would you want a high

1882
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: end optic, a high end bow, high end tree stand,

1883
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: high end Camo, high end something else.

1884
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 3: What would be the one thing that you might have to.

1885
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to say this's gonna and I'm not

1886
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 4: saying it because it's loaded and I have a tree

1887
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 4: stand company. But I've said this before, even when I

1888
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 4: had a wood tree stand back in the day, starting

1889
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 4: that I would rather tick to the woods with just

1890
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 4: my stand and equipment then my bowl. I think for me,

1891
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,560
Speaker 4: it was the most important piece of equipment that was

1892
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 4: with a two piece climber back in the day and

1893
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 4: to this day will be the same. I could go

1894
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 4: get a bowl the bowls I shoot, because the arrows

1895
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 4: I shoot, they freaking come in Andy, laugh at what

1896
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 4: the hell is that.

1897
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, that's all this is doing. It's

1898
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 3: going to seal the deal.

1899
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 4: I just got to take this arrow out of this

1900
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 4: this bowl that's freaking twenty five years old that I've

1901
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,560
Speaker 4: been shooting forever, fifty four pounds and I got to

1902
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 4: hit that target at fifteen yards.

1903
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 3: I can do it.

1904
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 4: I can't go in the woods ever again with a

1905
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 4: noisy tree stand or clinking and clanking around, or having

1906
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:40,560
Speaker 4: to worry about shifting my weight. When the deal is

1907
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 4: sealed and it's in the moment of truth is there,

1908
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 4: I can't could never go back to that. Once I

1909
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 4: got through that, dude, it was and did not have

1910
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 4: to worry about because that's what it was back in

1911
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 4: the day.

1912
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm talking decades ago.

1913
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 4: Is that I would get on these big animals and

1914
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 4: stuff and so intimate, and it's like ten fifteen yard

1915
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 4: shots a pressure deer and man your arrow rest or

1916
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 4: some little noise, A scuffed a scuff on material. One

1917
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 4: material is one hundred percent different than the scuff of

1918
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 4: another material. Why does that one light up a deer

1919
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 4: and one knot The squeak of aluminum in a tree

1920
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 4: stand lights up generations of white tail. I don't know

1921
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 4: what it was about them, it's it'll light them up

1922
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 4: and get them heading.

1923
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 3: For the hill.

1924
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 4: So and it's so I would say that a bowl.

1925
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 4: I could go pick up a bowl anywhere. I could

1926
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 4: pick up a recurve and shoot a recurve consistent. I

1927
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 4: could go pick up a thirty pound fiberglass bowl like

1928
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 4: we started out with back in the day, and I

1929
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:45,560
Speaker 4: know I can go out and kill a deer with it.

1930
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 3: So I think I would. I'd want my stand equipment

1931
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 3: to be what I've been hunting out of.

1932
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 4: My could be the older line of stands that don't

1933
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:56,679
Speaker 4: have to be, you know, the newer line of stands.

1934
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 4: But I really liked, you know, the newer stuff that

1935
01:30:59,200 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 4: we're doing now.

1936
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 3: So no, no, it does. And I can understand, I

1937
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 3: can understand your perspective to a quality stand or way

1938
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: to get up there, you know, quietly effectively. That's that's

1939
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 3: so important, all right. Last question, if you had to.

1940
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: Distill your approach to deer hunting or or pick your

1941
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: single most important piece of deer hunting advice that you

1942
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Speaker 1: want to share with the world, and if you had

1943
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Speaker 1: to put it on a billboard on the side of

1944
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 1: the road next to like a Cabellas or bass pro shops,

1945
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 1: that everyone's going to drive past this billboard on their way.

1946
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: What would that most important message be, that that phrase

1947
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 1: or few words or that one thing you want to.

1948
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Speaker 3: Leave with people. That's easy, Hunt like a wolf. And

1949
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 3: that's exactly what I do. Man.

1950
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 4: I put my nose into the wind, quartering it, and

1951
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 4: I'd go after him and hunt like a wolf. Every

1952
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 4: day is different, the game's different. Go get them, Just

1953
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 4: get out there and mix it up.

1954
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Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's a great line.

1955
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: That really is I love it, So, Andrea, where can

1956
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,560
Speaker 1: folks where can folks go to see the show and

1957
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 1: the content you guys make these days? What should folks

1958
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: be looking for from Lone Wolf Custom Gear? Is there

1959
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 1: anything you want to tell people about as far as

1960
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: product or content?

1961
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So this year we got We've got a whole

1962
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 4: new line of sticks coming out. We have a we

1963
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 4: had a new stand come out to Hybrid.

1964
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Speaker 3: You can see that.

1965
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 4: You can go on to our YouTube channel and see

1966
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 4: all the White Tail Addictions programs from and you'll want

1967
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 4: to see some of those old original number ones and that.

1968
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 4: But this year we'll have eighteen episodes. Something we've done

1969
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 4: this year different than others we've partnered. You can see

1970
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 4: who the sponsors are. We partnered with some different people.

1971
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 4: A lot of our guys are serious guys and a

1972
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 4: lot of them use a lot of the same They've

1973
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 4: all keyed in or adapted to a lot of these

1974
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 4: sponsors that we've had. It's it's stuff that we've been

1975
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 4: using already. So it's an easy an easy fit. So

1976
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 4: you'll be able to see eighteen episodes of White Toil

1977
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 4: Addictions on there. I have a new broadhead. We'll be

1978
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 4: sending some commercials out with now that's totally different way

1979
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 4: out from what's out there. And aluminum broadhead, believe it

1980
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 4: or not, that's you'll see my kill from this year,

1981
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 4: two hundred and sixty five pound buck and it's at

1982
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 4: fifty four pounds. It's the hardest hitting head you're gonna

1983
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 4: ever see. And when you see the kill, you'll see

1984
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 4: why through both shoulders just about came out the other

1985
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 4: side of the animal and the thing let's out a

1986
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 4: roar like it was hit with a freight train.

1987
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Speaker 3: So we also have.

1988
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Speaker 4: Those roadshows going. You'll be able to, you know, check

1989
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 4: the schedule on that. That's Cody's and Jake's gig there.

1990
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 4: We're still accept thing and will other applicants for white

1991
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 4: tail addictions. So if somebody wants to get the cell filming,

1992
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 4: we have a new camera, arms, even smaller, lighter, everything

1993
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 4: we got as small as lazy and getting out. I

1994
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 4: apologize we didn't get all these new products out early

1995
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 4: at the ATA show like we do, but from here

1996
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 4: on in we don't do that anymore because that everybody

1997
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 4: copies what we do at the ATA, and because we're

1998
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 4: hunters and we're not prepared there and it takes us

1999
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 4: a long time to get that out the market. Other

2000
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 4: companies are able to take our stuff and get it

2001
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 4: there quicker. So now what we're doing is you're going

2002
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 4: to see it now here in the next month. Some

2003
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 4: of the new stuff, you know, groundbreaking equipment, and it'll

2004
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 4: be we'll have a year on them. And also it's

2005
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 4: it's a kind of a weird, weird world out there.

2006
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:49,599
Speaker 3: But what else was there? I think that's it. We've

2007
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 3: got Lone Wolf custom gear. We're bringing the brand back

2008
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 3: Lone Wolf for another line of stands coming.

2009
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of good things coming. I think

2010
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 4: we do have a page mobile Hunters United. You can

2011
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 4: go on there and chat with a lot of similar

2012
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 4: minded guys, a lot of serious hunters. You can talk

2013
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 4: about equipment, talk about hunting. That's that's amazing. I sit

2014
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 4: back and just read a lot of that, and it's

2015
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 4: amazing some of the guys. A lot of guys are

2016
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 4: really attuned to so back in the day when I

2017
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 4: was all equipment to all about equipment and changing up

2018
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 4: gadget guys are like that. Now it's all hunting and

2019
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 4: equipment sold. They're orientated. But and then podcast like your guys.

2020
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 4: You know, we're listening to them all the time, enjoying them.

2021
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 4: It's a whole different world now. We don't sit in

2022
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 4: front of a TV anymore or watch those hunting shows.

2023
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 4: We sit and listen, listen to what's going on out

2024
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,640
Speaker 4: there from the guys out there getting it done or

2025
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 4: in the field are attempting to But yeah, I appreciate

2026
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 4: all you guys are doing so and that you.

2027
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Speaker 3: Take the time to listen. Joined here now, this is

2028
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 3: this has been great.

2029
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,799
Speaker 1: I we got everything we could have hoped out this conversation,

2030
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:01,719
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of a lot of interesting

2031
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: insights and folks are gonna folks are gonna learn some

2032
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 1: interesting lessons from this one.

2033
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 3: So thank you, Andre. I appreciate you making the time

2034
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 3: for it. Can't wait to see how this season goes

2035
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Speaker 3: for it.

2036
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: All right, and that is a wrap. Thank you for

2037
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: joining me today. Hopefully you learn something here as we

2038
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: try to dive into the mindset of the White tail

2039
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Speaker 1: Master known as mister Andre to Cuisto. I appreciate Andre's time.

2040
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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, and until next time, stay wired

2041
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Speaker 1: to Hu