1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Happy Friday, Everybody, I'm only frying 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Tracy, we talked about one 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: of many women artists who are on my list right now. Yeah, 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: I have a lot of artists on my list right now. 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: I hope I don't clog everybody's life with art, but 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: I have Benny Um. One thing I want to say 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: at the top is that there is a very cool thing. 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: We talked a lot about the National Gallery of Ireland 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: and their conservation project. They have some really really cool 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: write ups about the conservation project on their site, but 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: they also have a very cool thing, which is they 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: of course took before and after photos when they removed 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: that old yellow and varnish that shows the new fresh 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: color of it. Um, the old, new fresh color of it. 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: And they have a cool slider on their site so 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: you can look over the painting in its old and 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: new state, and it's just really beautiful because she really 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: get an appreciation for how much UH paintings change over 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: the years, just through time and oxidation and in this 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: case that varnish yellowing. So it's um, it's kind of fun. 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit more about the 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: Gozzadini family portrait because there are some kind of gossipy 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: takes on it kind of the episode. So one, there 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: was a financial feud going on, and Laudomiam may have 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: wanted herself and her sister Geneva to appear in their 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: wedding regalia almost as a catalog, because at that point 28 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: she was in what had been a very long battle 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: was Genevra's husband, who was their father's executor, over money 30 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: that she believed she was owed, and part of that 31 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: was a count for all of the money her father 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: had spent on each of their weddings to make sure 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: they had beautiful and appropriate clothing, jewelry, et cetera. So 34 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: in some ways this is like the most beautiful ledger 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: you've ever seen, like, and also did you see those earrings? 36 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: And also you remember your wife's necklace and also that's mine. Wow. 37 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: This is only one of two Caddie takes on this 38 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: painting because the other one, as we mentioned in the episode, 39 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: Geneva was already dead at this time, so she would 40 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: have had no say in how she was portrayed. M 41 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: Laudomia looks way prettier than Schenever. This picture like way prettier. 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: Jenevera even has like a wisp of mustache. Like it 43 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: almost seems a little like she had instructed Lavinia to 44 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: paint her sister in a way that was purposely unflattering 45 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: and sister ugly connected to this whole you that was 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: going on over money and perhaps other deeper seated jealousy issues. 47 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: We don't know. It's just a fascinating thing that I 48 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: like to think about. Whenever you see, whether it be 49 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: something like this, a portrait or a written record from history, 50 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: you have to remember that there was baggage that went 51 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: into everything, just as there is with everything you know 52 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 1: we do today, anybody's doing today, there's there's always more 53 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: that's letting um. So that's interesting. I really really want 54 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: to talk about Mars and Venus though, Okay, I love 55 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: this painting one. I mean, it's beautifully rendered, but too 56 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: it makes me chuckle very hard because in it, like 57 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: you see Venus from behind, she's kind of seated. Mars 58 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: is also kind of in partial profile. He's also seated, 59 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: and he is cupping Venus's left butt cheek with his hand. 60 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: In a way that is to me the funniest thing 61 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: on the planet. Like I feel like a ten year 62 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: old kid. But I honestly the first time I saw 63 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: this painting and it continues to do it to me. 64 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: Tracy has just looked it up and seen it for 65 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: the first time, googled it. The most charming thing ever. 66 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: Right there, my goodness, just cut in his hand right 67 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: around her donk um, And it's so funny. There have 68 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: been interpretations of that painting over the years that Venus 69 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: is then looking back over her shoulder at him, and 70 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: some have interpreted her to be having an expression that 71 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: is displeased at this. I don't read it that way, 72 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: but I have the beholder right. It just is a 73 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: very funny, very familiar moment between two people who were 74 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: mythologically supposed to be lovers. So it's just funny to me, 75 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: like the you you described this to me earlier, and 76 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: I like I did not, I did not mentally envision 77 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: the posture that they are both in at all. It's 78 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: so good. But here's the other thing, right, we talked 79 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: a lot about how like there was debate over did 80 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: she use a nude model, and that would be scandalous. 81 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: This is such a unique pose. Either if she was 82 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: going from memory of what other women, like presumably in 83 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: her family, that she may have seen naked, would have 84 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: looked like, etcetera, or if she was even working from 85 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: other artists. This is such a unique pose that it's like, well, 86 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: then you're a genius of like reconfiguring the human body 87 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: in a very specific way, or you must have had 88 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: a model. It's yeah, cup. Brian and I, my husband 89 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: and I have been looking at this picture and laughing 90 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: with appreciation. We're not laughing at it in any kind 91 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: of derisive way. We both really like this painting. But 92 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: because of how how gentle and loving that gesture looks, 93 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: we do we just keep calling it the cup. And 94 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: so we will literally be sitting and eating dinner and 95 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: one of us will go coup and then we like 96 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: giggle of year olds for half an hour. Um, it's 97 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: so charming. I love it. I hope anybody who looks 98 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: at it finds it similarly charming. While also appreciating her 99 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: incredible skill, She's one that doesn't always get talked about enough, 100 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: in my opinion, in relation to Sophonis. Thank you. So 101 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: I love because she gets a lot of attention. She 102 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: was really amazing as well. Uh so I was glad 103 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: to spend some time with her this past week and 104 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: looking at this painting and giggling at cup Forever Forever 105 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: we talked about smooth. I had so many thoughts and 106 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: feelings about the whole thing. Yeah, me too. Um. It's 107 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: interesting because I definitely am much more I think, physically 108 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: affectionate with my friends than you are. Maybe, like I 109 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: definitely friends I will kiss on the lips and it's 110 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: not even a thing, um not me Yeah, yeah, which 111 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: is totally cool. I mean, everybody works differently, and I try, 112 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: because I am very naturally physically affectionate. I try to 113 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: always remember that not everyone is right, which is sometimes 114 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: hard because like when I see somebody that I know 115 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 1: and love, I want to just throw my arms around 116 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: them and sometimes give them a big smooch on the 117 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: cheek or do We didn't even talk about like European 118 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: traditions of things like or anything. Um, but yes, So 119 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: I try to remember that not everybody wants to be 120 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: hugged or kissed, so I will always do the are 121 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: you a hugger? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I've done that before. 122 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: To the last time, UM, somebody tried to hug me, 123 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: and I was not prepared for it because this was 124 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: while we were in Italy and at that point you 125 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: still had to test negative for COVID to fly back 126 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: to the United States, and I was very focused on 127 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: my own health. Uh. And a person sort of came 128 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: for a hug. I was not prepared, and I think 129 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: I was probably more direct about that than I might 130 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: have been been in the middle of all of them. 131 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: You needed a hug, not button. I did. And I 132 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: So there are a couple of different contexts that I've 133 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: had very similar buttons. Uh. One is that for the 134 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: last while when I've when I've gone on the Jonathan 135 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 1: Colton Cruise in our little swag bags, have been these 136 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: buttons that are like, yes, I want to do a friendship, No, 137 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: I don't, and the one that's like asked something to 138 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: that effect. And I have definitely walked around the cruise 139 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: ship with a button on that says no, just because 140 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: I want to have some me time. Uh. And the 141 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: other is we have a group thing where a bunch 142 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: of us rent a big house for a long weekend, 143 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: and last year it was the first time we had 144 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: had it. After the pandemic started. Um, for a lot 145 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: of us, it was like our first big outing since 146 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: the pan I mix started and we had not really 147 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: been around. Uh so, Um, a friend of mine made 148 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: buttons just to basically be like, we were taking a 149 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: lot of steps to try to cut down the risk 150 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: of anybody getting COVID on the trip, but like we 151 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: just gave everybody the option of also having a button 152 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: to be kind of like I would like a little 153 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: more personal space, please makes sense? Um. One thing we 154 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: there were several things that we didn't talk about in 155 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: this episode, including like other there were other advocates of 156 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: not kissing that we're kind of similar to the model 157 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: of Imogene wrecked in before she did. They're including a 158 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: woman from Atlanta who I might do as a an 159 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: episode because she also did a lot of criminal justice 160 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: reform work, which is the more interesting part of her 161 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: story in my opinion. Um. But what's really really fascinating 162 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: to me too is that that nine eight battle in 163 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: the press that we talked about that happened before Imagine's crusade. Um, 164 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: it's a little bit drincky because sometimes it played out 165 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: of order because as you know, right, like different newspapers 166 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: would pick up the stories at different times. Sometimes, you know, 167 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: they would be weeks behind each other, and so there 168 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: were instances where papers like in the same city, we're 169 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: printing the arguments kind of out of order. And I'm 170 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: wonder if if, um, you know, contemporary readers of it 171 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: were just accustomed to that happening, or if they were like, 172 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: what is this guy? Who is this Clara woman he's 173 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: yelling about? I know what's going on here? Um, which 174 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: also kind of comes up as a question in that 175 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: whole one thousand members, five thousand members imaging not always 176 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: being super transparent about where she goes. Right, Yeah, some 177 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: of the things she was saying reminds me of tweets 178 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: that I have seen in recent memory that are like 179 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm on the bus and four people clearly have monkey pox, 180 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, number one, you're not a doctor. 181 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: Number two did you? Are you just making this up? 182 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: Like a lot of this sounds like somebody flushed an 183 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: alligator down the toilet and now there's alligators in the suites, 184 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: and I mean that's the thing, right, Like, she was 185 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: making some valid cases about disease spread and particularly with children. Um, 186 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: But like I said she was kind of hurting her 187 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: own cause because she does come off as like a 188 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: little bit of like a um a tut tutting, sort 189 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: of like judge, don't kiss anyone, don't do any And 190 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: again there was also the need that people had to 191 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: make it salacious so that they could yell about what 192 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: approved she was. She would literally say, even though she 193 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: would say like, I wish we could explain to young 194 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: lovers that they shouldn't do this, but I know we can't. 195 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm focusing on this, but people would still be like, yeah, 196 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: but you can't tell people who are in love not 197 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: to kiss. She's like, I just said, I did not 198 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: say that. I just said I know that's not realistic, 199 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: but yet that is what the press focused on every time. 200 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: That's what all of those detractors, even in that those 201 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: those newspapers that predated it, that was a lot of 202 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: what they said. Now, given there were people who were like, Nope, 203 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: nobody should kiss ever um, but she wasn't. Most of 204 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: most of the people in her organization and imaging herself, 205 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: we're realistic about that fact. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, people 206 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: are gonna want to make out it's just part of 207 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: the thing. But please stop missing babies you don't know 208 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: in the street. That's just gross. The baby kissing thing 209 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: reminded me of two things simultaneously, And one was my 210 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: cousin and his wife when they had their first baby. 211 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: She got really sick um and it was very scary. 212 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: And when she was better, my my cousin's wife, whenever 213 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: anyone asked if they could hold the baby, she would 214 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: be like, if you wash your hands, which is totally reasonable. Um. 215 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: And the other thing that it reminded me of the opposite, 216 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: which is that when I was a kid, there was 217 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: a whole campaign for uh, for new parents to kiss 218 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: their baby and pay attention to whether their skin tasted 219 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,359 Speaker 1: excessively salty because that was an indicator of cystic fibrosis, 220 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: which there's now way better screening for. Because that was 221 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: forty years ago, um. And so every time that there 222 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: would be a thing about don't kiss your baby, it's 223 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: very bad for them, I would just sort of think 224 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: about the give your baby the Kiss of life campaigns 225 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: right well, And there were people even at that time 226 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: they were like, no, no, babies actually need to be 227 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: kissed by their parents. They didn't have as much information 228 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: about it as you know, would have been had when 229 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: we were kids and certainly not today. But there were 230 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: people that were intuiting, like, I think this is actually 231 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: important for their development. Um, don't not kiss babies they 232 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: if it's your baby, they probably need it. Um. And 233 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: there were some women that took it not from the 234 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: scientific method, but like, emotionally, your kids need affection and 235 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: to feel loved, and that's part of it. Maybe don't 236 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: withhold affection from your babies. Right. So there of course 237 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: layers to that onion, but it does become really really 238 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: fascinating to me how many people are like, no, I 239 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: want to kiss people when I greet them. You can't 240 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: stop me. Thanks? What? Yeah? The whole the whole COVID 241 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: pandemic has made me think a lot about instances where 242 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: I have just had contact with a whole lot of 243 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: people at once. And one of them has been when 244 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: we have had live shows and we have had meat 245 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: and greets afterward, and there's like a line of people 246 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: that we have talked to you um, And for a 247 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: while I was like, should we be shaking everyone's hands? 248 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: Like are we spreading germs that way? Uh? And then 249 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: when so much information came out about how easily a 250 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: lot of stuff spreads through the air. I was like, 251 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: probably does not matter neither here nor there. Um, yeah, 252 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean that's tricky, right. That's one of the things 253 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean to go behind the curtain that you and 254 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: I have talked about a lot in the last couple 255 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: of years, like when do we start back live events 256 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: in person and how do we manage that? Because I 257 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: think for both of us that being able to talk 258 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: to people one on one after shows is really important 259 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: and it feels like a way that, you know, we 260 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: can give people a little bit of like personal attention, 261 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: and often people tell us things that are very personal 262 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: in those moments, that are very meaningful, and I don't 263 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: want to shut that down. But I also don't want 264 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: anybody to get sick because I can't say goodbye to 265 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: that part of it. So yeah, I mean you and 266 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: I have both talked about this a million times a 267 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: bunch of times, So just know that, uh, you know, 268 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: presumably if there is a point when we get back 269 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: to doing that that we have thought about it a 270 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: whole lot. And it's not because we don't want to 271 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: get out there and see people in person and do 272 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: live shows. We're just trying to make sure none of 273 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: our listeners who we treasure get sick because we wanted 274 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: to go on tour. Yeah, that and wanting to reduce 275 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: the likelihood that people who have been looking forward to 276 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: the show don't get to have it because one or 277 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: both of us has gotten sick. Like that also a 278 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: factor in it. Yes, yeah, so it's tricky, but police 279 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: know we're thinking about it always and trying to figure 280 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: out best way a plan in the ever changing landscape. Yeah, 281 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: oh it seems like no nope, nope, nope, no nope, nope. 282 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: Oh maybe oh no, no, no, there's this one spreads faster. 283 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: Nope nope, nope, nope, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very 284 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: hard part of the puzzle to navigate. So thank you 285 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: for your patients and all of that. Um. If this 286 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: is your weekend coming up, I hope it is filled 287 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: with bliss. If it is not your weekend coming up, 288 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: I still hope it's filled with bliss. I hope everybody 289 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: has the smoothest possible uh travels through whatever responsibilities they have, 290 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: and everybody eats really delicious things. It takes time for 291 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: themselves to have some fun and laughs a lot this 292 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: weekend because we all need it. Uh. 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