1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: Hey, want to welcome in. I'm Doug Godly, but this 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: is all ball. We're getting you ready for Game three 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: of the NBA Finals, and Franchill's gonna join Us'll talk 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: a little about his journey, a lot about scouting overseas, 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: and a little about the upcoming NBA draft. I think 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna love it. Fran for Shill upcoming a couple 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: of minutes. First, though, as we dive into the NBA Finals, 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot. It's a lot to get to and 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. I picked the Warriors, um am. 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: I still confident my pick. Yeah, but I can see 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: a world in which thee Celtics, you know, win this 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: series in five or six games. I can see where 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: they win in seven games. Um but but I do 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: think two games in teams are still searching for the 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: right matchups, the right combinations, the things that will separate 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: them perfect case and point. As the Warriors played Andre 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: Goodala a lot in Game one, he doesn't take off 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: his sweats in Game two, right, Whereas the Celtics, you know, 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: they played more guys than they played in previous series, 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: and to their benefit in Game one, not as much 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: in in Game two, and uh, you know, we still 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: haven't seen Clay Thompson break out of it. On the 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: other hand, we haven't seen Jayson Tatum breakout and score. 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: Seems pretty obvious that Golden States game plan is to 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: be there and kind of muddy it up for Jayson 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: Tatum and make him take contested shots over bodies. Smart strategy, 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: and for the most part it's it's worked, and in 28 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: game one more sou than Game two, and part of 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: it was they made shots in Game one. But his 30 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: willingness to move the basketball was again, Please don't think 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying he's Michael Jordan's, but if you go back 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: and remember Michael Jordan's first NBA Finals, the change in 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: Jordan was his willingness to pass the actually average a 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: leven assist a game in that NBA Finals against the 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: the l A Lakers. Everybody remembers the up and under, 36 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: but the real, real, the real stuff, was that he 37 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: was willing to find teammates within the triangle offense. And 38 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: we've seen that from Tatum, and I think ultimately that 39 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: will be rewarded. It just hasn't yet because when he 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: gets his own opportunities, he hasn't been able to take advantage. Uh, 41 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: but like, look, this thing ends up being decided truthfully 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: by the secondary or tertiary level players. Andrew Wiggins could 43 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: still couldn't make a lap. Like we could talk all 44 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: we want about the Celtics and their turnovers. One of 45 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: the reasons the Celtics have turnovers is the guy they 46 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: have in the dunker spot is not Robert Williams, who 47 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: knows how to play the dunker spot because he's a dunker. Instead, 48 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: it's other guys Al Horford who's used to playing in 49 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: the post there in the way, so they're spacing isn't right. 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: I think that can be adjusted. But we should also 51 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: point out that as much as Jayson Tatum isn't going, 52 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: neither's Clay Thompson and um and and frankly, Andrew Wiggins 53 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: hasn't really got any going. So there's still other levels. 54 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: And I think by the time we get to games five, six, 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: and seven, you will see a higher level of basketball 56 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: because you'll still see Tatum and Staff and Jaylen Brown, 57 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: but everybody else will raise their level as well. And 58 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: I think, look, I think it's gonna be an incredibly 59 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: competitive series, and you have some ridiculous shot making. You know, 60 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: not having Robert Williams or a healthy Robert Williams. You 61 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: only played fourteen minutes the other night. He did tweak 62 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: his knee. That's a that's a major thing for the Celtics. 63 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: He erases shots at the rim. And you know, if 64 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: there's a if there's a flaw to the Warriors and 65 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: how they had been playing, that flaw is that they're 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: bigs don't have the ability to stretch you out. You know, 67 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: he can just simply defend the rim and help without 68 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: much kind of recourse. So obviously that's the reason that 69 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: Manga is playing right, and his ability to shoot the 70 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: basketball is paramount. In trying to stretch out the Celtics. 71 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: They try to sneak him in, get him some run, 72 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: and for the most part it worked and not great defensively, 73 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: but he did have six points, he did have five rebounds, 74 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: and they were a plus when he was in. So 75 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: I still think that there's a feeling out process that 76 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: takes place in these series. And Game two the one 77 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: the Warriors were much more aggressive defensively, but two, I 78 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: also think that their lineups changed dramatically. When you use 79 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: Gary Payton He's just a disruptor, you know, He's he 80 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: doesn't always follow their defensive rules, but sometimes that works. 81 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: And we can talk all we want about the Celtics 82 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: and their turnovers, but we'd also be lying if we 83 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: didn't say, hey, even in game two, the Warrior's inability 84 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: to finish at times at the rim, even that Robert 85 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: Williams in there, seems to be problematic. But I like 86 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: this series. I like the adjustments to coaches made, the 87 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: toughness defensively. I'm a little concerned if I was a 88 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: Draymond fan, I'd be concerned that he's gonna get himself 89 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: thrown out of one of these games because Grant Williams 90 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: is getting into his space and bumping him and antagonizing him, 91 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:17,559 Speaker 1: and he doesn't back down. But so far, so good, 92 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: pretty interesting series. As we have a one one tie, 93 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: headed back, headed back to Boston, I'll give you my 94 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: thoughts a little bit further thoughts on the NBA traft 95 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: up coming. First, So let's welcome in. Let's welcome in Frankfischella, 96 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: of course, long time ESPN college basketball analysts and up 97 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: until recently, their international draft Expert's got his own podcast 98 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: it's outstanding in regards to international hoops. Here. He is 99 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: the former head coach of St. John's New Mexico. Franfichella. UM, 100 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 1: let me start, okay, And at the time we're recording 101 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: this year, about to record your podcast. How can somebody 102 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: get your podcast? The World of Basketball this or Godily 103 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: It is on Spotify, Stitcher, Apple, wherever you get your podcast. 104 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: We are there, I've been told and we're heading to 105 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: one hundred episodes. And basically what we do is we 106 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: talk all things international basketball that relate to college, the NBA, FIBA. UM. 107 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: We have college kids on. We've had Oscar Sheepway on 108 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: this year. Uh, Jeremy Sohan is gonna be a high pick. 109 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: We've had at to Ray Messina on, Jerry Colangel, Jeff 110 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: Van Gund, you name him, we probably got him covered 111 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to international hoops. And Uh, I love 112 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: doing it. It's a great way to connect people with 113 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: what's going on around the world. Shrinking the globe for you, 114 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: How did you? How did you fall in love with 115 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: its oh Man? Growing up in Brooklyn, Brooklyn, New York 116 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: Playgrounds Kelly Park about a block and a half of 117 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: my house, probably from the time. I was a really 118 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: good baseball player, Doug, you wouldn't be surprised to know 119 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: that all city at James Madison. But I got bored. 120 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: I got bored with baseball. I don't know about you, 121 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: but I used to be one of those kids that 122 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: played on those traveling teams in baseball when we would play, 123 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: Uh a double header and a Saturday morning nine am 124 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: and eleven thirty. And by the time I got home 125 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: at two o'clock on a hot Saturday in the summer 126 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: in in Brooklyn, I went. I went to the park 127 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: with my ball. See who was playing hoops? Uh, like 128 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: you started out playing with the older guys. Uh, fell 129 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: in love with basketball, New York Knicks, the Heyday, um 130 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: Wal Frasier, David the Busher Willis read. It all started 131 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: from there. The city game to me was a real thing. 132 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: And UH that's how it started. Man. I've been around 133 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: basketball my whole life. There's not a day in my 134 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: life that I don't think about basketball. Um, whether it's coaching, 135 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: it broadcasting, reading articles as system my blood. Um, what 136 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: made you become I want to be come a coach? Well, 137 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: when you're five seven and you're usually the shortest and 138 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: whitest guy in the neighborhood. And uh, the only way 139 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: you can get to stay on the court, he's gotta 140 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: be feisty, tough, smart, Uh, move the ball, be a 141 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: good teammate. It naturally translates to the things that go 142 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: into coaching, you know, And uh, it's what I knew 143 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: from the time I was thirteen or fourteen. Man, I 144 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: would sit in my living room on a Saturday afternoon 145 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: on my sofa and act like I was coaching because 146 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: we didn't get many games on back then. It's probably 147 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: U c l A, Notre Dame or Notre Dame de 148 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: Paul or oh yeah, you know St. John's De Paul, 149 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: and I would I would be coaching the game. And 150 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: it's what I did in the playground. It's what I 151 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: gravitated to. It's what I knew front time I was 152 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: fourteen and what I wanted to do. It's interesting. So 153 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: my dad, obviously he knows. Uh, he was Bronx and 154 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: then moved out to Long Island when he was like 155 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen, But so he loved it the same. He 156 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: loved part play at the parks whatever what I used 157 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: to think. We used to go to like summer league 158 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: like high school summer league games or springley games, and 159 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: I would try and pick out what the team was running, 160 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: what pattern they were running, you know, who could get 161 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: it first. And it was interesting like that wasn't really 162 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: like he knew a lot of it, but that wasn't 163 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: really his thing, you know. And we used to have 164 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. We used to have a lot 165 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: of fun with that and just watching and like, oh, 166 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: that's flex I guess, not flexing. Yeah, look, they just 167 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: run a different cut in in the in the flex 168 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: at shuffle. And you taught me about the California swing, 169 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: which was that was that was a reverse action. That 170 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: was pilfer reverse. That's what California reverse. Bob Knight's original offense, right, 171 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: which he took from Pete Newell. He did, he did, 172 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: then he did he gravitated to the motion offense. But 173 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: Bob Knight was a big I'm a historian too, as 174 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, I know you are. That's that's why I 175 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: brought Yeah, that that was Bob Knight got that from 176 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: Pete Newell and then he later along with Mr Riba. 177 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: You know, it was a really funny story. You may 178 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: remember the name Tommy McConnell. He was an assistant coach 179 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: for many years. I think he's the woman's coach at 180 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: Indiana University of p A now and the McConnell family, 181 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: Susie McConnell Olympics, the whole family from Pittsburgh. T J. 182 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: McConnell and Tommy McConnell and I were young coaches. We 183 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: were at a Saturday morning practice in Miama, Oklahoma at 184 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: any oh Northeast Oklahoma, Great Juko. Larry Gibson was the 185 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: coach and this Saturday morning I was at Ohio State, 186 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,359 Speaker 1: then he was at Dayton. We're sitting with Mr Iba 187 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: and who you knew a lot about because you played 188 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State. And Tommy McConnell had made the mistake 189 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: of asking Mr Iba one day as we were watching 190 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: this practice. Uh, And Harry Gibson was running motion, Mr Iva, 191 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: did you ever run any motion? And Mr Iva looked 192 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: at Tommy McConnell like he had four heads, and he said, son, 193 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: I invented it. And there's very few things in basketball 194 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: that anybody can say they invented, but Mr Iva did, 195 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: And Uh, I'll never forget that. But anyway, you know, 196 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: it's funny Doug about growing up in on the playgrounds 197 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: is the ethos with which I live My life comes 198 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: from the playgrounds. Like as a young guy, you learn 199 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: how to fit in on the playground. Like you want 200 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: to be the fifth guy picked. Okay, you're the youngest guy. 201 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: You're fifteen. Everybody else's a teen. Some of the guys 202 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: are coming home from work and playing at the playground 203 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: after dinner, and you just want to be on the court. 204 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: And so when you're picked as the fifth guy, you 205 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: want to just fit in, and you want to play 206 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: your role and you don't want to make mistakes because 207 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: a mistake can cost your team from playing for the 208 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: next three or four games, right, And so you learn 209 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: how to be a good teammate. You learn how to compete, 210 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: You learn how to move the ball and share it 211 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: and sacrifice. As you get better, you become the bigger 212 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: dog on the playground. And then the game revolves around, Hey, 213 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: give Doug the ball or give it to frand he's 214 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: gonna make good things happened. You have fights on the 215 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: playground that you have to kind of adjudicate, and after 216 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: a game, think about how many times you got into 217 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: a wolfin match with somebody and you maybe came two 218 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: blows and after the game you went up to that 219 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: guy and said you gave him the five. Right, Hey, 220 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: good game, man, Hey, sorry about that, you know, just competing. Yeah, 221 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: I know, we're cool, We're cool. Good job. Well the 222 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: way you play, you know, there's so many things I 223 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: learned in wife about coming from a playground playing basketball, 224 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: that playing playground. They hardly play on playgrounds anymore. People 225 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: don't play playgrounds anymore. They don't know what it's like 226 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: to wait an hour to get on the get on 227 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: the court. By the way, I just went to Venice Beach. Uh. 228 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: You know, we were in LA this weekend for the 229 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: premier of Hustle. Yeah, I was, but but I mean 230 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: Venice Beach. We had a place, and we had a 231 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: place in Brooklyn call uh Manhattan Beach in Brooklyn, and 232 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: that's where we all played in the summertime, and everybody 233 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: came and watched, and you were out there doing your thing. 234 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: But the lessons of the playground at carried a long way. Um, okay, 235 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: so how how did you come to be in the 236 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: movie Hustle? Uh, I'm at a I'm at a Baylor 237 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: game three years ago? And I get a call from 238 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick, okay, who we both got to know at ESPN, right, 239 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: And I knew Dan a little bit like you did, 240 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: and I knew he was a basketball junkie, played at Dayton. 241 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: And he calls me one day and he goes, hey, 242 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: I got a friend who's making a movie, Adam Sandler, 243 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: and I go, yeah, of course I know Adam Sandler. Dan, 244 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: you know. He said, well, he's making a movie, and 245 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: I thought you could really help because basically the premise 246 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: of the movie is washed up NBA scout down and 247 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: out on his luck, discovers the next big thing overseas, 248 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: and he didn't know where it was gonna be, China wherever. 249 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: He said, I thought you could help. So he put 250 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: me in touch with Adams people. I gave him some 251 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: ideas about international hoop um. I suggested they called Bill 252 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: Duffy because Bill was Repper sending Luca at the time, 253 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: and I thought, Luca don chech they needed a foreign kid. 254 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: Luca would be perfect. But Luca likes to get fat 255 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: and happy there in the summer on the beaches of Croatia. Okay, 256 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: we know that, So Luca had no wanted no part 257 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: of this, so I don't know where they went with it. 258 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: But the movie started going into production and I'm watching 259 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: it from Twitter and seeing everything, and I hear nothing 260 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: from these people. I'm like, damn, I gave him all 261 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: these great ideas and they let me hang. So last summer, 262 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: I get a call from Barry Bernardi, who was one 263 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: of the executive producers, an Italian guy from New York, 264 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: Hollywood guy, and he said, hey, you're ready for your cameo. 265 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: I go, yeah, Well, I said, damn, I thought they 266 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: forgot about me. He said, if you can be in 267 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: Philly in September, we're gonna shoot your part. And so 268 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: I play myself in the movie. I played the draft 269 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: combine expert right, that is evaluating these two hot shots. 270 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,239 Speaker 1: UH want Joe Hernan Gomez who's fabulous, You're gonna love him, 271 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: and the other protagonist, uh Anthony Edwards. He plays Kermit Wilts. 272 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: The other guy is Bo Cruz. So when I go 273 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: shoot the scene, they had a script for me, and 274 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: one of my Adam's longtime childhood friends, who's a basketball guy, said, 275 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: friend doesn't need a script, just let him riff do 276 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: his thing. I did it in one take and they 277 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: loved it, you know, and so I went to the 278 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: premiere last Wednesday. I walked the red carpet. It's a 279 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: great basketball movie coming out Wednesday. As we film this January, 280 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: as we record this January a June eight and the 281 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: basketball Doug is the best it's ever been, Blue Chips, Hoosiers. 282 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: The basketball scenes are incredible, the cameos are incredible. The 283 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: story is what you think about, you know, redemption, and 284 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: you know it's gonna make you feel good at the end. 285 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: But it's a great basketball movie. And Adam sand Or 286 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: is as nice a guy as if you if you 287 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: watched the wedding Singer, He's the same guy. Man. He's 288 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: a that you just he's a kid that like I was. 289 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: I probably was his camp counselor at camp in in 290 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: in uh in the in the cats skills like years ago, 291 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's the kind of guy 292 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: that you want to just pinch him on the cheek. 293 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: He's just a good man. You gotta get me in 294 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: his pickup game that that's your that's your next goal. 295 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: I gotta yeah. I think that's cool, man, It would 296 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: be It would be cool. You should see that. You 297 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: ever see him dress. Yeah, basketball shorts and a T shirt. Yeah, 298 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: that's cool thing exactly. You know exactly how I would 299 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: do it if I was if if I was him. 300 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 301 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 302 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 303 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: search f s R to listen live. Okay, help help 304 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: me out with with this NBA draft. I want to 305 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: do two things. I want to do because because we're 306 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: a little tight on time, I want to I really 307 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: want to tell your story, but also your area of expertise. Okay, Um, 308 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: what do you do with Chet? Home gard? Uh? You 309 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: know the top three picks? Man, If anybody can really 310 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: tell you who the best of the three is gonna 311 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: be their fullt crap, you know, because each of those 312 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: guys has certain characteristics that you think, Holy mackerel NBA 313 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: stardom and if you're Orlando, man, you gotta get this 314 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: right otherwise here in trouble. Um, Chet is competitive, athletic, 315 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: long and long and agile. Uh shot blocker, court runner, 316 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: good finisher with this agility around the basket, shoots it 317 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: fairly well. But everybody should have the same concerns of 318 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: his body that you had with Ralph Sampson forty years ago, porzingis. 319 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a body that you have to weather 320 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: wonder whether it's gonna hold up. But if he stays 321 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: healthy and he becomes a unicorn, to use that disgusting phrase, 322 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be shocked. But Jabari Smith looks 323 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: like the best NBA player in this draft. He's young, 324 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: he can shoot it, He's got things that look like 325 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: NBA all stardom. And then Bankro. If you're looking at 326 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: Orlando specifically, they do not have They have a lot 327 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: of good young guys. No go to scorer. Um. If 328 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: there's one guy of the three that is a bona fide, 329 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: give it to him, get out of his way. Scored 330 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: all three levels. It's Bankro. But all three of the 331 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: all three of those guys are mysteries. And I don't 332 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: know who's gonna be the best of the three. I 333 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: know they're all different, and that's gonna be a key 334 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: for Orlando to evaluate those guys. Gun to your head, 335 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: who would you take? Uh? I'm the safest pick is 336 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: Jabari Smith to me, And some guys don't want to 337 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: play it safe. Sam Presty if he was picking number one, 338 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: would not be playing it safe. Because if you're Orlando 339 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: and you're dead in the water. If you feel one 340 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: of these guys has generational upside to be the next freak, 341 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: the next big thing, to back the next Janice, maybe 342 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: you take Chet. If you're looking for Carmelo Anthony, a 343 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: go to proven score and maybe ban Caro. And if 344 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: you just want a guy that looks like an NBA 345 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: superstar um and at worst a really good eighteen twenty 346 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: point of game NBA starter, you take Jabari. People want 347 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: to make Jaden Ivy into John Morant. No, he's west 348 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: He's Russell Westbrook. He's there's actually a lot of Russell 349 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: Westbrook to him. I think more Russell Westbrook. Did I 350 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: saw him three times this year? Yeah? No, I saw 351 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: him in person three times as well. Yeah. Otherworldly first 352 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: step and explosiveness. He also kind of has a weird 353 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: way in which he carries himself on the court, right 354 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: where he's kind of in his own sort of world. Yeah, 355 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: as as a coach, but also a guy who you've 356 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: seen guys succeeds, see guys fail. How do you How 357 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: do you? How do you handle that. How do you 358 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: how do you talk to yourself into that if you're 359 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: talking about a top five pick. When I saw him 360 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: earlier in the year in Mohican Son and then when 361 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: they beat Florida State and uh my first audience, he's 362 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook. He's he's elite. I mean, you know, we 363 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: talk about great athletes, but it's all relative to the NBA. 364 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: But he's an elite NBA athlete, elite NBA speed, tremendous agility, 365 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: like he has what I what I would say Doug 366 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: about him, and I said this in November. He's got NBA, 367 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: he's got basketball athleticism. Like his athleticism translates to the court. 368 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: He's in the open court, looks like he's gonna run 369 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: somebody over and then he euro steps by you like 370 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: so f breathlessly. Um, his shooting got better. Uh you 371 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: know if he's the best player in this dress, Like 372 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: here's the crazy thing. It would not shock me if 373 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City takes him at two, because again, Sam Presty 374 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: has always thought outside the box, and you can't argue 375 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: with Sam Durant hardened Westbrook a young Ibaco, although he 376 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: really wasn't nineteen when they took him, but Ibaka was 377 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: great early in his career. Josh Giddy. This year, you 378 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: go down the list of Oklahoma City guys, and I 379 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: could see Sam Presty rolling the dice and saying, we're 380 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: gonna take another Russell Westbrook here. Um, I could see 381 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: how I was blown away by Keegan Murray. Blown away. 382 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: But I also there's a he's different than those other guys. 383 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: He doesn't UM. I'm not sure if he has the 384 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: alpha traits that some of those guys have. UM that 385 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: he just he's a good kid and a good teammate. 386 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: He just a great talent. Feels like it feels like 387 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: he's that guy that you can he'll be somewhere fifteen 388 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: to twenty a game when he's a when he's a veteran. 389 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: Am I am my missive? Are you waiting him? The 390 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: two guys he reminds me of most and I don't. 391 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't think you have. I just think he's gonna 392 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: be a solid. You're taking him fifth, so you wish 393 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: you'd get an All Star and so you can roll 394 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: the dice with some of these younger guys, you know 395 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: which I wouldn't um. Dyson Daniel's matin guys like that. 396 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: But Keegan Murray reminds me of Tobias Harris or Sadiq Bay, Like, 397 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna get seventeen eighteen a game when 398 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: he's twenty four years old. He's a little older than 399 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: some Uh Keegan, you know he's twenty two, gonna be 400 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: twenty too soon. But to me, like Tobias Harris, despite 401 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: the fact that he's been in some crazy situations, uh 402 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, particularly in Philly right now. Um, But Tobias 403 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: Harris is a very good NBA player. Sadique Bay is 404 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: going to be a very good NBA player. That's what 405 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: I think you see in Keegan Murray is a good, 406 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: very good NBA player, not an elite NBA athlete, skill 407 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: levels above average, can score different ways, and he's made 408 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: himself to do a good player because he's a hard 409 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: worker and he loves the game. And what do you 410 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: kid by all counts, he's a great kid. What do 411 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: you do with sharp? I mean he doesn't he didn't 412 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: play this year, So you have a crazy, crazy athlete. 413 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: But how do you how do you evaluate what that 414 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: will look like on an NBA floor when you don't 415 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: have real evaluation if we look like in a college. 416 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 1: But this is a bad example. But you know, there 417 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: was a kid twenty five years ago that I guess 418 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: we watched him a lot in high school. His name 419 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: was Kobe Bryant, you know. And I'm not saying he's 420 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: Kobe by any stretch. But every now and then there's 421 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: a guy in the draft with a small sample size, 422 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: and some of those guys blossom into a generational talent 423 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: like Kobe. That's not gonna likely happen here order a bust. 424 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: And I haven't seen him enough to know which is which, 425 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: But I know this, like, um, there are certain teams 426 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: in the NBA that do remarkabless remarkable jobs of background 427 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: intel and somebody knows somebody who knows this kid or 428 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: seeing him a lot in Canada or whatever. And there's 429 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: other teams that don't do the homework, and they could 430 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: end up taking a kid like this and he's a 431 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: wash out. So I mean, it sounds like from all 432 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: indications and from the little video I've seen, he's an 433 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: NBA athlete, ridiculous athleticism, and uh, at some point, probably 434 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: higher than lower, somebody's gonna grab him with the idea 435 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: that if we're gonna take somebody five through ten. Why 436 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: not roll the dice and see if we can end 437 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: up with the best player in the draft someday and 438 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: have people say, holy crap, we didn't know Janice was 439 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: going to be this good. What did you think he 440 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: was him? You know, I saw him three times in 441 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: a row two weeks before the draft in Italy. He 442 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: had just gotten his Greek citizenship. By the way, Mirror 443 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: and Theader is fabulous. We just had her on our 444 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: podcast and she did you know, she she wrote the 445 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: great book on Janice and I lived that period of 446 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: time where he got a citizenship. Um. At the time 447 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: I saw him, Doug, he was six eight. You know, 448 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: he reminded me of this is crazy, you would love 449 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: this fundamentally sound, very athletic. He reminded me of Sean Elliott, 450 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like good Fuyer really knew 451 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: how to play. We didn't anticipate him growing to be 452 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: six eleven. And now he's you know, I hate to 453 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: say it to Sean, but he's way better than you. 454 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: But um, I thought he was a safe pick in 455 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: the middle of the first round, and I said it 456 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: on draft night to me, he was like draft in 457 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: a high school. McDonald's all American. Like, you're getting an 458 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen year old kid, he's McDonald's all American. He's 459 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: not going to college. You're gonna have to wait a 460 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: couple of years. And I didn't realize he would grow 461 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: two or three inches and then become the player he was. 462 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: But I didn't know a lot about him before that draft. 463 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: I did you you liked Luca before? Most people liked Luca. Yeah, um, 464 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: but there have been it is, it's it's really interesting, 465 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: right when there's a European kid who's a bust, it's 466 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: like multiplied by like five. Yeah, where there's Americans Jana 467 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: Stilly Porzingis, Yeah yeah, um. And I would even defend Porzingis. 468 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: And then he was pretty good for toward his knee 469 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: he did that was good. Yeah, I was. I looked 470 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: back on him now and I think the motor. I 471 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: think he got caught up in the hype and the 472 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: money and the But when I watched him at his age, 473 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: man he had he had the potential to be at 474 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: at least a top thirty NBA player at least, and 475 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: he was on that path until he got hurt. He 476 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: was right. We and we never take that into account, 477 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: right or we also don't take situational stuff. You know. 478 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: I played against Darko, yeah, you know the first year 479 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: you and I did the draft. The way I got 480 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: into the draft was I told Dan Steer, who hired 481 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: disposed right, I was like, hey, Darko, I played against 482 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: I played against him twice. You know. But I think 483 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: Darko he goes to a normal, random NBA team where 484 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: they work him in, you know, he can't blame and 485 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: maybe it's a completely different world, you know, or if 486 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: he comes from the NBA now out, it's a completely 487 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: different world. First first time, first time you saw Luca 488 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: was win uh, fifteen or sixteen at at the eurocamp. 489 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: UM they had like a future program where they brought 490 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: in a bunch of kids that the Adidas had had identified, 491 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: like hey, these fifteen, sixteen seventeen year olds are the 492 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: future of European basketball. And I think I think Dario 493 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: Sari was there that day that that that camp because 494 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: it's only a four day camp. Luca was sixteen. Um, 495 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: but I at that time, Doug, my guy, watched and 496 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: play against kids his own age. UM, I I did 497 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: not see what I saw when he got to the 498 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: EuroLeague because what happened in the EuroLeague And by the way, 499 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: I had eight and one Luca two to be fair, okay, 500 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: and I I think all the things I said about 501 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: Luca have come true. Except I didn't see generational talent 502 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: like he's he's on the bird magic Lebron half he 503 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: is he's once every twenty years. That's just a fact. Um. 504 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: But I did see the greatness as a player in 505 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: what he did, and what told me that he would 506 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: be great was when he was in the EuroLeague. I 507 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: probably more so than most Americans, knew how good the 508 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: EuroLeague was. Like I used to say this, and it's 509 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: still true. Who won the national title this year? Uh? 510 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: In basketball, Kansas um the best EuroLeague team Barcelona Real Madrid. 511 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: They would be KU by forty. Yeah, well, I don't know, 512 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: you know, you know, it would not be. It would 513 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: not be. It could wouldn't be a game if they 514 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: played for real. You know, some nights it would be 515 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: thirty on a given night, it could be fifty. You 516 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean, they would be. They would be 517 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: bottom NB at times at times they have at times 518 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: they have like Oklahoma City. I don't think could beat 519 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: Real Madrid or Barcelona this year, they just could, okay. 520 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: But having said that, when Luca was doing what he 521 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: was doing, and the year he was the final year 522 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: of his EuroLeague experience where he was eighteen or nineteen, 523 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: the best player in the league of the EuroLeague either 524 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: had already played in the NBA or had been drafted 525 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: by NBA teams, and the other guys were all in 526 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: near mid to late twenties and early thirties kicking ass already. 527 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: So that told me. And by the way, I talked 528 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: to about eight different Americans either who played with him 529 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: or against him in that two or three year period 530 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: in the EuroLeague, and they said to me, coach, he 531 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: ain't fallon he's great, telling you he toys with us, 532 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: and that's what he is, and that's what he that's 533 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: what he does now. And by the way, by the way, 534 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: just for the record, because there's still some haters out there. 535 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: We't even have people at espno or haters, and they 536 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: have and they actually be doing big games right now. 537 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: But um even uh, I'm not gonna tell you who 538 00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: they are. By the way, but even Luca, like like Wiggins, 539 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: would be the second best player on the on the 540 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: Mavericks right now, I mean, I love Jalen Bronson, and 541 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: you can make an argument that Brunson would be the second. 542 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: And but but Andrew Wiggins would. I mean, look at 543 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: the team he's playing with. He just made my good friend, 544 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: Jalen Bronson was a good NBA player ninety million dollars. Okay, 545 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: he just made him ninety million dollars. Dwight Powell MAXI creeper, 546 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? This guy got He got to 547 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: the final four the NBA. Um But it's not easy. 548 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: Now there is something to you know. People are like, well, 549 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, he dominates the ball. Now, I don't when 550 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: he played with First of all, who would you rather 551 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: have at the basketball? Second of all, when he played 552 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: with Slovenia, I thought there was a good balance there, 553 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: you know. Huh. Right, So the question becomes if you 554 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: were if if Dallas calls you, and Cuban calls you, 555 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: and his friend build a team around Luca. Yeah, what 556 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: do you do? He's the point guard? Well, I understand, 557 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: So how do you how do you because then you 558 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: push shooting. First of all, they need a big guy, 559 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: they need it. They need a legit big man like 560 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: you know a good NBA big man, whoever that might be. 561 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: They need some more shooting around him. Um. The other 562 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: thing that Jalen Brunson did for them, which I've always advocated, 563 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: you were a point guard who had to handle the 564 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: ball the entire game. I believe in the NBA you've 565 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: gotta be able to take a mental health break even 566 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: while you're on the court, like and that's that's the 567 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: big question is can you have somebody else handle Yeah, 568 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: of course. But here's the problem with with Jalen. You 569 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: don't make too much money. Now can you build the 570 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: rest of the team. I don't know that's gonna be. 571 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: That's that's why Cuban owns the team, and that's why 572 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: Nico Harrison is the new GM because guess what, that's 573 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: the puzzle you have to put together if you want 574 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: to take UH or a team like the Mavericks, or 575 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: a team like Quinn Snyder just left with two NBA 576 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,239 Speaker 1: All Stars, or a team like Denver with you know, 577 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: an m v P. That's the job of a general 578 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: manager is to put together a type of team that 579 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: can compete and win a title. I don't think these 580 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: two teams that are in the Finals right now, although 581 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: one team has three Hall of Famers and the other 582 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: team has at least one. UM, I don't think they're 583 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: the best two teams that we've seen in the NBA 584 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. They're very good. But there's 585 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: four or five other teams right now. If Brooklyn gets 586 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: their act together, Philly, Denver, Utah, Dallas to name just 587 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: a few Clippers when they get healthy, that there's a 588 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: there's eight teams that could win it next year. And 589 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: I think the idea in Dallas is you better figure 590 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: this out because your guy is twenty three now and 591 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: he's only got ten more years at this level. So 592 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: figure it out. And that's what I think their job is. UM. 593 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: The Warriors run a form. It's it's different of motion, right, 594 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: It's almost like it's almost block remover right, almost different. 595 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back, man. It's playground, man. It's It's 596 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: why I am be a with the five guys at 597 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: lunchtime who are on Wall Street that all played in 598 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: the IVY League, that know how to play, you know 599 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like yes, yes, but but but like 600 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: they don't. There's some specific roles they have in it, 601 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: which are you know, like it's not five man motion 602 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: because Loney and coming off screen neither neither is Draymond. 603 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: But it's it's really interesting where this is a style 604 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: that you and I grew up watching. I grew up watching, 605 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: you grew up coaching ye, and yet it's kind of 606 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: disappeared from many parts of basketball, especially NBA basketball. And 607 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: my thought is, I don't think there's anybody else who 608 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: has the personnel to run it. Well, that's that's true, 609 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: nor do they have the patients to teach it or 610 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: to watch it evolved because we we only teach basketball 611 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: players how to play with the ball in their hands. 612 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: That well, I would disagree. I would disagree. Here's why, Um, 613 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: I think you know, when you look at the league 614 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: right now, the NBA is born outside the United States, 615 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: and the influx of international players has brought a a 616 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 1: team a team nous? Is that all right? That's not 617 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: just made up a word. There's a temenus to the 618 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: NBA right now. That's more so than when we watched 619 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen years ago. Let's go back to the 620 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: iver sin here. Okay, the ice old ball stuff and 621 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: the stupid NBA rule defensive rules. Okay, the way the 622 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: even Phoenix now at their best. When CP three, despite 623 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,959 Speaker 1: the last series, is at his best, spread pick and roll, 624 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: four out one in big guy rolls to the rim, 625 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: stretched the floor with shooting a certain ball movement. The 626 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: league is transitioning to flow euro basketball. When you have 627 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: a team like Golden State, which is rare where everybody 628 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: can handle it, we move it. Otherwise we keep it in, 629 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: dodge it or CP three's hands spread the floor and 630 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: then make the right play like you did right. Okay, again, 631 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: what we're saying is the same. It is the same thing. 632 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: It's happening. It's happening. What the in terms of the motion, Yeah, 633 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: we'll look at look at whoa Listen, here's what I'm 634 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: gonna tell you. Listen to me. I'm gonna I don't 635 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: mean to give you. I don't mean tell me, Mike. 636 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: There's motion is a continuum. Okay, there's Bob Knight motion, 637 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,479 Speaker 1: Boker mover, set screens, get guys open, and there's five 638 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: man motion. There's a couple of ball reversals. Drive it. 639 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: If you look at what Denver's doing that that's a 640 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: motion offense. But it's five out who's got the ball 641 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: in his hands yo kids top of the key. That's 642 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: there's different kinds of motion, Doug. I think you see 643 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: more motion in the NBA now than ever before. It 644 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: may not be old school Bob Knight, Dick Bennett motion, 645 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: but the ball is moving more than it did went 646 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: out and I definitely think it moves, but it ends 647 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: up being a ball screen and all the guys do 648 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: is exchange in their in different spots, right, and then 649 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,959 Speaker 1: they playoff of Nisha. I don't know. I think there's 650 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: more subtlety to it. I think there's like listen, I'll 651 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: give you an example. Go back and watch CP three 652 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City two years ago that rag tag allegedly 653 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: rag tag group of guys got deep into the Bubble playoffs. 654 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: Why because he had the ball in his hands. Steven 655 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: Adams was rolling. Gallinari made eighty million or sixty million 656 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: on his next contract in Atlanta because as CP three drove, 657 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: he was either hitting the pull up, the floater, the 658 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: lab to Uh to Uh Adams, the lab to Nerland's Noel, 659 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: the kick out to shay Gil just Alexander who, by 660 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: the way, they learned how to play point guard with 661 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: CP three, the kick out to that n L Gallinari. 662 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: It was beautiful to watch. It's not exactly motion, but 663 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: it's a form of flow that's more involved with teamwork 664 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: now than we saw with a ball. You coached for 665 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: good half your professional life right at the highest level 666 00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: of college basketball, and you've been completely invested in the sport. Yes, 667 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: what part of you wants to go back and coach 668 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: the part that's coaching three on three for the United 669 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: States of America right now? And and uh, I'm now 670 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: the national team coach. I just took this over in February. Um, 671 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: we've got six great guys who are gonna play. It's 672 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: an Olympic sport. Okay, Robbie Hummel plays Kenyon Berry. Um, 673 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: we're moving it forward. Those guys that are pioneers. We're 674 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: taking a terrific group of G League guys to Europe 675 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: this summer to play in these various tournaments. Doug, I 676 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: told you, I was just at Venice Beach. Think of 677 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 1: beach volleyball, Olympic sport. That's what this is. My jones 678 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: is fixed. I'm watching all these European teams like I 679 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: spent the weekend watching a tournament from Serbia. Um so 680 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 1: that's my new coaching Jones. But I still uh but yeah, 681 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, five on five still my game. But man, 682 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm having fun teaching three on three. You know why 683 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: because again going back to the playground, we didn't have 684 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: a twelve second clock like they do in FIBA three 685 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: x three. But I learned how to play basketball three 686 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: on three at Kelly Park and Marine Park in Manhattan 687 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: Beach in Brooklyn. Before we didn't have enough guys for 688 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 1: full court five on five, we played three on three. 689 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: I learned how to give and go, screen away, pick 690 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: and roll fifty years ago, believe it or not, forty 691 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: five years ago, and now I get to coach it again. 692 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: The European teams are really smart at this because they're 693 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: not athletic. We're putting together a three on three program 694 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: and we're trying to build an Olympic program. So what 695 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: are the traits Like, I mean, obviously Canyan Berry super skilled, right, 696 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: really pass yeah? Um. But it's interesting because USA basketball 697 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: we get the credit for, uh since the uh, what's 698 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: the supposed the team that coach k had the what's 699 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: called you? Oh wait, yeah right? But those games are 700 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: hard and they're close, and thank god we had Kevin 701 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: Durant last time. Yeah, what about three on three in 702 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: terms of we're ten years behind. We're ten years behind 703 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: the Serbians, the Latvians, the Mongolians, the Chinese. They've been 704 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: playing three on three for a decade. It's not necessarily 705 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 1: cool to play. We're gonna make it cool. I got 706 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: good put guys. You've heard of. Hassani Gravette played in 707 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: the NBA last year for a little while, played at 708 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 1: South Carolina. UM. You know Keaton Wallace average eight team 709 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: points a game for the Aguacaliente Clippers. Issue really good. 710 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: I tried to get him on my tv T team. 711 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: He's on my team. He's quite These are the kind 712 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: of talent we have. So we're going overseas to answer 713 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: your question. The sport rewards, versatility, six four to six, seven, 714 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: switchable guys, guys that can make a play with a 715 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: oh shot clock, smart teamwork, it's it's it's really good basketball. 716 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: It's uh if five on five is the fift meters, 717 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: three on three is the two hurdles, it's speed, endurance, agility, 718 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: and that's what we're trying to develop. And that's what 719 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: I'm excited about. UM you're watching I'm watching the NBA Finals, yep, 720 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: and Derrick White, and I know he grew late to 721 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: Like one of the parts of the story is nobody 722 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: mentions is he grew late? Right? Yeah, never happened to me, 723 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, me too. Um, but you have you do have. 724 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: While you have the Jayson Tatums yep, and and the Browns, 725 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: these are elite athletes, you also have Stephen Clay who 726 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: are unique in sons of pros that we're kind of 727 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: late bloomers right and passed over. And then you even 728 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: have kind of further down the line with the with 729 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: the Derrick Whites as somebody who has now basically for 730 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: living been a You're trying to evaluate people, right, what why? 731 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: Why are the why do you think there's there's a 732 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of a loaded question. Yeah, why do you think 733 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: there are guys that have gotten to that level through 734 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,919 Speaker 1: those different paths? You know, first of all, talent trump's everything, right, 735 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: Athleticism and skill level trumps at all, um. And there's 736 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: a lot of that in the NBA. There's a lot 737 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: of that in the NBA Finals. And then you have 738 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: a series of guys that are start out as like 739 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: the eight through the fifte man on a roster and 740 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,760 Speaker 1: guys that would. I'll give you a great story. Uh 741 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 1: when t J McConnell was a senior playing with Stanley 742 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: Johnson and Caleb Tarzowski and they were playing Utah one 743 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: night with Jacob Peartle and uh De Lan right and 744 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 1: they get that right from Utah. I said to t 745 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: J at the shoot around, I said, what are you 746 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: gonna do next year? And he looked at me, he goes, coach, 747 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm playing in the NBA. I'm thinking to myself, no 748 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: freaking way, okay. So I said to him, Hey, if 749 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics told you to walk to Boston from Tucson, 750 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: and it didn't matter how long it took, you might 751 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: take you. I take you all summer to go from 752 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: Tusson to Boston, but they would put you on the roster. 753 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: Would you do it? And he looked at me like 754 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: I had three heads, because of course. And there's some 755 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,240 Speaker 1: guys that are in that league that just you could 756 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: not cut them. They worked too hard, they were too 757 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: good a teammates, they were too tenacious. They did one 758 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: thing extremely well. And t J McConnell, when he made it, 759 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: I said son of a gun. That's why Javon Carter's 760 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 1: in the league. That's why George Niang's in the league. 761 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 1: That's why Royce O'Neil is a good player. That's why 762 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: Terrence Man is a good player. Um, and you could 763 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: go on and on right, Derek White, Colorado Springs. All 764 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,959 Speaker 1: I know is, after talent, there's a certain toughness that 765 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: is required to make an NBA team and stay with 766 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: the team and help a team win. And there's a 767 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: lot of gotten act strus go on and on. You 768 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: name them there, you don't. I always say this, Um, 769 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: there's only twenty five stars in the league. Everybody else 770 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: is a role player. And you know what they call 771 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:17,240 Speaker 1: a role player in the NBA. A multimillionaire, asked Quint Capella, 772 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: because all he is is a role player. He's making 773 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: a hundred million man, all we could do is catch 774 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: a ops. So you got the movie out, Yes, you 775 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: got the pod. I want to be I want to 776 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 1: do your life story. Okay, when we when we have 777 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: another hour. Yes. In the meantime, you were more than 778 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: gracious with your time. I really appreciate. Yeah, I didn't 779 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: mean to push today. I gotta do my own podcast. 780 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: But something, here's the ironic thing, Doug. I'll probably get 781 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: fired for this, but I don't really care. Uh. I 782 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: did that NBA draft for twelve years at an all 783 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: star level. Okay, I did. I nailed it, and I 784 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: brought excitement and entertainment to the draft and we had 785 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: other good people. But thank you Dan Patrick and Adam 786 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: sand Or because you recognized that I was good at 787 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 1: what I did. So I'm no longer a draft expert 788 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: except in Hollywood, which I'm thrilled about. And by the way, 789 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,720 Speaker 1: the honest movie comes out in two weeks called Rise 790 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: on Disney. Plus I'm in that movie also playing an 791 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: NBA draft expert. So um, somebody recognized my hidden talent 792 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: and wasn't hidden, and we're gonna do more of it 793 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: as we get clost to the draft. And I appreciate 794 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: you gotta do your own pod, So thank you so much. 795 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: Thanks always a pleasure. I always loved talking ball with you. 796 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: You got it, see you Well, Look, obviously Fran has 797 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 1: some really thoughtful opinions on the NBA draft, and I 798 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: love the idea that he said, hey, there's three guys 799 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: up there and no one really knows who's gonna be 800 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: the best of all of them? Right? That that is 801 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: in fact, but because what happens is we all champion 802 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: when we had the correct opinion early on, but we 803 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: never say, like, you know, I really didn't know, I 804 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: really didn't know. And sometimes that's the truth, I really 805 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: really didn't know. And the other part is the environment 806 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: they're drafted in. That that's part of it. Guys get hurt, 807 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: that's part of it. Guys improve, Guys grow, Guys work 808 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: on their body. There gain, there's a lot to it, 809 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: a lot to it. Anyway, my thanks to fran Fischilla 810 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,479 Speaker 1: for joining us. You can follow him on social media, 811 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: get his podcast, and we'll have him back on tell 812 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: more of his story. Reminder of The Doug Gottlip Show 813 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: is daily three to six Eastern time, twelve to three 814 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,839 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox sport traded the I Heart Radio app 815 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: and you can download that as a podcast. That podcast 816 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: is up. What is that one year to year over 817 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: last year? Either means we had a bad year last year, 818 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 1: which we didn't, or we're killing it this year, which 819 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,479 Speaker 1: we are. In the meantime, thanks so much for listening. 820 00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:12,720 Speaker 1: More episodes to come. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball.