Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: My son left for sleepaway camp today. He's eleven. My
Speaker 1: eight year old son joins him in a few weeks,
Speaker 1: and my fourteen year old daughter is doing something similar.
Speaker 1: It's the worst. Being apart from them is just terrible.
Speaker 1: I miss them every day, and I miss them like
Speaker 1: I turn to say something to them and realize they're
Speaker 1: not there.
Speaker 2: Just awful.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people hear this perspective and think, oh,
Speaker 1: that's obvious. But some parents, and absolutely no judgment for
Speaker 1: me on this, enjoy when their kids go.
Speaker 2: They take trips, they.
Speaker 1: Invigorate their marriage, and a lot of people say their
Speaker 1: families are happier and healthier when the kids return. All
Speaker 1: of this to say, it's definitely a net positive for
Speaker 1: families who do it.
Speaker 2: Why would they?
Speaker 1: And I know this, but I still hate it?
Speaker 2: So why do it? Right?
Speaker 1: That's a question I ask myself after they've.
Speaker 2: Been gone a few weeks.
Speaker 1: Why send my children out into the world like that?
Speaker 1: I just want to keep them.
Speaker 2: Close to me.
Speaker 1: And you know, partially it's because this is what American
Speaker 1: Jews do. I mean, non Jews go to sleep away
Speaker 1: camp too, But it's a real big part of the
Speaker 1: American Jewish experience. I didn't do it growing up because
Speaker 1: I was an immigrant from the Soviet Union, and even
Speaker 1: if my parents somehow had the money, they probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have known that sleep away camps existed. But I have
Speaker 1: little American kids, and part of our religious experience in
Speaker 1: this country involved sleep away camp. But also the kids
Speaker 1: love it, and again they come back happy, mature, having
Speaker 1: done things for themselves, lived a life outside the family bubble,
Speaker 1: made new friends, challenge themselves. I mean, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that are good for
Speaker 1: kids that we don't necessarily like. Struggle is good for kids,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of hard to watch that from a
Speaker 1: parent's perspective. Having to try hard is good, learning how
Speaker 1: to get along with other people, all of it. It's
Speaker 1: hard to watch them fail, it's hard to be apart
Speaker 1: from them, but all of it leads to a better
Speaker 1: outcome for them. It's funny. COVID has been back in
Speaker 1: the news the last few days as Anthony Fauci again
Speaker 1: pretends he had no power or influence and never locked
Speaker 1: anyone down or put anyone in a mask. It brings
Speaker 1: up all the old feelings of feeling bad at the
Speaker 1: time that I was not able to do what I
Speaker 1: felt was right for my kids, and having to listen
Speaker 1: to these idiotic guidelines that made no sense. And the
Speaker 1: worst part I remember this so clearly, was being accused
Speaker 1: of just wanting free babysitting when I would push for
Speaker 1: schools to open. And the truth was that that time,
Speaker 1: that cozy time at home where we didn't see anyone
Speaker 1: or have to do anything, it was great. I loved it,
Speaker 1: but I knew it was bad for them, so I
Speaker 1: pushed for that time to end. Sometimes the things that
Speaker 1: feel good for the parent aren't necessarily what's best for
Speaker 1: the kids. It's a hard but necessary lesson. Keep sending
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Speaker 1: I mentioned when I hit the one year mark of
Speaker 1: the show in October, I'm going to switch up my
Speaker 1: three standard questions, so if you have ideas for what
Speaker 1: they should be.
Speaker 2: Let me know.
Speaker 1: I've already gotten some really good ones. The email is
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Speaker 1: and interview with John Ziggler join us after the break.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
Speaker 1: guest today is John Ziggler, host of the Death of
Speaker 1: Journalism podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi John, So nice to have you on.
Speaker 3: Always great to talk to you, Carol.
Speaker 1: So, how dead is journalism on a scale of like
Speaker 1: one to like very dead?
Speaker 4: I would say eleven. This one goes to eleven in
Speaker 4: my opinion. That's why we do a podcast called The
Speaker 4: Debt of Journalism. I think this has been a long
Speaker 4: time in coming. I think there are a lot of
Speaker 4: reasons for it. But yeah, it's pretty much about as
Speaker 4: dead as it could possibly be, and we see examples
Speaker 4: of it almost every single day. In fact, you know,
Speaker 4: when I started this podcast, Carol, I thought, am I
Speaker 4: really going to be able to do two hour podcasts
Speaker 4: per week focusing on this topic? And if anything, I
Speaker 4: find myself having to cut material in order to keep
Speaker 4: the podcast from getting too long because there's just so
Speaker 4: much evidence of it on a daily basis, as you
Speaker 4: well know.
Speaker 1: So does it matter that journalism is dead or is
Speaker 1: this a problem for us?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I think it's a huge problem.
Speaker 4: I think that our entire system of government is based
Speaker 4: upon the fourth of state being at least somewhat relevant
Speaker 4: and competent.
Speaker 3: It's not, and it's not in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: This goes way beyond just normal political bias. You know,
Speaker 4: when I'm fifty seven years old, when I started being
Speaker 4: interested in politics, way way back in the nineteen seventies
Speaker 4: early eighties, you know, that was the big thing, liberal
Speaker 4: bias in the news media.
Speaker 3: To me, I long for those days. I long for
Speaker 3: the days of where that was the biggest problem in
Speaker 3: the news media.
Speaker 4: It was just that there was a pretty significant liberal bias.
Speaker 4: We are so far beyond that now. It's the whole
Speaker 4: system is broken. And the main reason there are many
Speaker 4: reasons for this, but the main reason is that the
Speaker 4: business model for the news media broke horrendously catastrophically. We're
Speaker 4: seeing that almost on a daily basis now, in dramatic fashion.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's remarkable how fast the old media is
Speaker 4: collapsing right before our eyes. And you know, a lot
Speaker 4: of conservatives, Caro W'll probably take joy in that.
Speaker 3: I don't take as.
Speaker 4: Much joy because I think that there's a really important
Speaker 4: role to play not just in fair reporting, but also
Speaker 4: in educating the public. And I don't think it's a
Speaker 4: coincidence that the public seems to be less educated about
Speaker 4: important topics than they have ever been in probably the
Speaker 4: history of the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: So you know, when you're talking about this, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, like, what do I think is the biggest
Speaker 1: problem with the media, And obviously the bias is a
Speaker 1: huge thing, but that they're so frequently wrong and they
Speaker 1: don't correct anything. Like I just could think of plenty
Speaker 1: of examples recently where the New York Times, which I
Speaker 1: don't really read that much anymore, partly because it's so wrong,
Speaker 1: but I read like the newsletters they send out, so
Speaker 1: they get things just plain factually incorrect frequently and it
Speaker 1: never gets corrected.
Speaker 2: What would you say is kind of the biggest issue here?
Speaker 4: Well, you and I I think I have are a
Speaker 4: like mind when it comes to what I call the
Speaker 4: COVID panic. And what we just saw was really remarkable
Speaker 4: and in so many different ways, But the media was
Speaker 4: dead wrong in unison on many things regarding COVID, not everything.
Speaker 3: And look, I hear a lot of people say, wow, we.
Speaker 2: Didn't know, we didn't know, right, we knew, Well.
Speaker 3: You knew I knew.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, and I'm not that smart you are,
Speaker 4: but I'm saying I'm all that smart.
Speaker 1: You know, I just read some things and things didn't
Speaker 1: make sense, and you know, that's that's really where it
Speaker 1: all came from, right, And.
Speaker 4: I think that there is a massive deficit of trust
Speaker 4: post COVID. I don't know if you saw it, but
Speaker 4: I guess I think he was your former governor, and
Speaker 4: Anthony Cuomo recently acknowledged, and that there is that if
Speaker 4: they did the same things again from a government perspective
Speaker 4: as they did during the COVID panic, that the public would.
Speaker 3: Not trust us. Well, a huge part of that is
Speaker 3: so right.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I thought that was actually being somewhat optimistic
Speaker 4: because I because if you, if you haven't lost trust
Speaker 4: in the government and the media. And let's be clear, Carol,
Speaker 4: never in my lifetime has the government and the mainstream
Speaker 4: news media worked hand in hand more significantly than they
Speaker 4: did during the COVID panic.
Speaker 3: It's never happened before.
Speaker 4: This was not the way it was supposed to operate,
Speaker 4: but they did so. And the most remarkable aspect of
Speaker 4: this was they were wrong way more than they were right,
Speaker 4: and it wasn't even close. And you know, to me,
Speaker 4: the most glaring example, I think there's a little ambiguity
Speaker 4: with regard to the vaccines, but they were totally wrong
Speaker 4: about you know, whether there should be mandates. That's one
Speaker 4: hundred percent true. There should never have been mandates for
Speaker 4: a vaccine like that that didn't stop transmission and all
Speaker 4: the other issues with it. But to me, if you still,
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four believe that masks work to stop COVID,
Speaker 4: then I can't help you because there's never been a
Speaker 4: major issue about which the reality was.
Speaker 3: So obviously the opposite of what the media told us.
Speaker 4: They vowed for masks because the government did so, and
Speaker 4: they were wrong, and many, many millions of school children
Speaker 4: especially were harmed because of this. This wasn't just a
Speaker 4: minor inconvenience. This was a situation where people's lives were
Speaker 4: dramatically impacted, especially when it came to schooling, and we've
Speaker 4: never gotten any acknowledgment that they were wrong. To this day,
Speaker 4: the main streamers media won't fully admit that masks don't work.
Speaker 3: And I believe if we had another pandemic.
Speaker 4: Again, we'd still, especially in the blue states like here,
Speaker 4: in California, people would mask at least forty fifty percent
Speaker 4: of the population would mask up automatically. And it's just astonishing.
Speaker 4: It's astonishing that we're still living in that world care.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm still pissed off about the mask thing
Speaker 1: because it hasn't been touched. Like they're kind of there
Speaker 1: inching closer to lots of stuff, Like a lot of
Speaker 1: them have admitted that the six feet you know requirement
Speaker 1: made no sense and didn't come from anything scientific. They've
Speaker 1: admitted that maybe schools should have been open the whole time,
Speaker 1: But nobody has touched masks, and we know that it
Speaker 1: was bullshit.
Speaker 2: We know that it didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: We absolutely have no data to suggest otherwise. And you're right,
Speaker 1: I think should there be another pandemic, I think a
Speaker 1: large number of people would be.
Speaker 2: Right back in the masks.
Speaker 1: I you know, my thing about masks is if you
Speaker 1: believe it works, why wouldn't.
Speaker 2: You wear it all the time, one hundred percent of
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Like, if it keeps you from getting sick always, why
Speaker 1: not wear them?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And people are like, oh, well, because I was afraid
Speaker 1: of dying of COVID. But even that, you knew you
Speaker 1: weren't going to die of COVID, you knew what the
Speaker 1: percentages were.
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope, and yet you know.
Speaker 1: You continued doing this crazy thing for so long, and
Speaker 1: so you know, I think it's a hopeful, hopeful thing
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't do it again.
Speaker 4: Well, let me explain why they've never corrected themselves. It's
Speaker 4: not just not wanting to admit they were wrong, which
Speaker 4: is a huge part of the mainstream news media, because
Speaker 4: these are all egomaniacs who think that they are smarter
Speaker 4: than the rest of us, So they don't want to
Speaker 4: admit they were wrong. That's always number one. But the
Speaker 4: biggest part of the problem is for the mainstream element.
Speaker 4: You know, outlets like the New York Times, their subscriber
Speaker 4: base is extremely liberal, and they are part of the
Speaker 4: mask cult, and they don't want to have to tell
Speaker 4: their cult, their base of subscribers that they were duped,
Speaker 4: that they did something for two years that they didn't
Speaker 4: have to do, so they'd rather just pretend it never happened.
Speaker 4: Because you know, we've seen this on the right. You know,
Speaker 4: neither of us are fans of Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: You know, the right.
Speaker 4: Wing media won't say anything that will offend the Trump
Speaker 4: cult members. Well, the mainstream media won't say anything that
Speaker 4: will offend the mass cult. And the most dramatic example,
Speaker 4: and there are so many, there are hundreds during the
Speaker 4: COVID panic, but I'm sure you remember one. There was
Speaker 4: a Dutch study early on they'd indicated, oh guess what,
Speaker 4: masks don't work? Right in The New York Times originally
Speaker 4: printed a headline it says, massive Dutch study indicates masks
Speaker 4: don't really work. That's a paraphrase, right, That was basically
Speaker 4: what they the original headline was. They got so much
Speaker 4: blowback from their subscriber base and for people on Twitter,
Speaker 4: they changed the headline to say something along the lines
Speaker 4: of masks may not work, but here's why you should
Speaker 4: wear one.
Speaker 3: Anyway, right, right, right. That's not literally what.
Speaker 4: The headline said. And that's not news, that's not journalism.
Speaker 4: That's therapy. That's therapy.
Speaker 2: So hard to understand why no one trusts.
Speaker 3: Them, Just bizarre, exactly.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1: You know, you've taken some very controversial opinions obviously, and
Speaker 1: you know, I could think of some that were very
Speaker 1: very controversial or you know, outside of kind of the
Speaker 1: I don't say norm right, just you believe things that
Speaker 1: not everybody leaves.
Speaker 2: Does it feel good?
Speaker 3: Because for me, I honestly would.
Speaker 2: Prefer if everybody just agreed with me.
Speaker 1: I really would. It's not I'm not like there to
Speaker 1: have the argument. I'm having the argument because I think
Speaker 1: you have to. But I prefer I would prefer if
Speaker 1: everyone would just fall into line and believe me when
Speaker 1: I You know, when I argue.
Speaker 2: And be on my side. Do you enjoy the strife?
Speaker 3: No, I actually don't.
Speaker 4: I wish I did not have to go through some
Speaker 4: of the things I've gone through standing up for unpopular positions.
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm almost always right when I do that,
Speaker 4: because I don't do so casually. I only do so
Speaker 4: when I am positive that I am right, like for instance,
Speaker 4: with COVID. And I actually think, Carol, that some of
Speaker 4: the situations I've been in prepared me for the COVID panic.
Speaker 3: That's I think one of the reasons.
Speaker 4: Why I not that I was special, but I was
Speaker 4: certainly one of those at the forefront, right at the start,
Speaker 4: saying WHOA, WHOA, WHOA?
Speaker 3: Hold on here, what are we doing?
Speaker 4: And it's the reason why I was more than there
Speaker 4: were two reasons why I was willing to do this.
Speaker 4: One because you know, it's Churchill's old saying, the greatest
Speaker 4: exhilaration the man can feel is being shot without result.
Speaker 4: And I've been shot many times and I'm still standing,
Speaker 4: So I don't fear the attacks.
Speaker 3: That's number one.
Speaker 4: But number two, I had seen the same kind of
Speaker 4: panic in other situations and what happens under those circumstances,
Speaker 4: so I felt like I was prepared. And I also,
Speaker 4: I guess this is number three. I understand the media
Speaker 4: exceedingly well. I mean, I've been in every aspect of
Speaker 4: the media throughout a very long and tumultuous and bizarre
Speaker 4: media career.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of these people. I've dealt with them.
Speaker 4: I get them probably better than they get themselves, and
Speaker 4: so I knew exactly how this was going to go down,
Speaker 4: and I, you know, talk about it controversial things. I
Speaker 4: am of the belief, Carol, this is a little bit
Speaker 4: far field, but I guess a sense of where I'm
Speaker 4: going with this. I believe to my dying breath that
Speaker 4: if Hillary Clinton had been president during the COVID panic,
Speaker 4: there would not have been a COVID panic, not because
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton was better prepared to handle this than Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: but because the media would not have seen it in
Speaker 4: their interest to destroy this president and his reelection chances.
Speaker 4: I mean, I loathed Trump, but I am easily able
Speaker 4: to see that if they had seen the COVID panic
Speaker 4: through the prism of oh my god, what's this going
Speaker 4: to do to Hillary's reelection campaign all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: we would have seen a vastly different narrative out of
Speaker 4: the mainstream news media. There would not have been the
Speaker 4: same kind of panic, and we certainly wouldn't have seen
Speaker 4: the Blue states shutting down immediately, because they would have
Speaker 4: been like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: You're putting Hillary's reelection in jeopardy here.
Speaker 4: Gavin Newsome, as you well know, was the person that
Speaker 4: effectively shut the country down. There's no chance he does
Speaker 4: that if Hillary Clinton is running for reelection in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right
Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. The fact that Europe
Speaker 1: also freaked out in Asia, I think it was a mass.
Speaker 2: Like absolutely not help.
Speaker 4: But I I look, there would have been it still
Speaker 4: would have been a big deal. I'm not pretending the
Speaker 4: whole thing was about Trump.
Speaker 3: No, I'm hearing you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying I'm saying that, you know, there would
Speaker 4: have been an argument to be made. The United States
Speaker 4: is different. You know, we got the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 4: We're going to stand up strong. We're not going to panic.
Speaker 4: We're gonna do We're gonna get through this together.
Speaker 3: You know this.
Speaker 4: You know we're we're not going to destroy our principles
Speaker 4: over this. Uh and and you know we're gonna come
Speaker 4: out stronger in the end. That would have been it
Speaker 4: would have been a you know, already referenced Churchill once.
Speaker 4: It would have been a Churchill World War two type
Speaker 4: of reaction, rather than the curl into the fetal position,
Speaker 4: wear a mask, shut down schools, and forget about your
Speaker 4: damn freedoms. We're now living in a country of tyranny,
Speaker 4: especially if you live in a blue state. And so
Speaker 4: I really and by the way, Carol, I tried to
Speaker 4: write about my theory during COVID for a rather mainstream
Speaker 4: news outlet that I was working for at the time.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to mention it right now, but I
Speaker 4: was that I was never censored. This outlet previously, I
Speaker 4: was censured from writing that take.
Speaker 3: Censored that's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's not a crazy take. I mean maybe just I'm
Speaker 1: seeing it through like.
Speaker 4: Take because at the time I was basically saying, what
Speaker 4: the heck are we doing here?
Speaker 3: That this is all political, or at least the.
Speaker 4: Lens through which everyone is seeing this is political, and
Speaker 4: some of them was subconscious.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that this was.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm a very anti conspiracy type of person, which
Speaker 4: makes me unusual on the right these days because I'm
Speaker 4: also yeah, the right, the right is dominated by conspiracies unfortunately,
Speaker 4: and the era of Trump.
Speaker 3: But so I'm not even suggesting this was, oh, we
Speaker 3: can get Trump with this COVID virus. That's not what happened.
Speaker 4: People just they realized, oh my gosh, well, you know,
Speaker 4: one they panicked, and two the nice side effect of
Speaker 4: this is we're going to destroy child Trump's election. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so we can go we can go pedal the
Speaker 4: metal on this with our craziness because there's no downside politically,
Speaker 4: and I think they were vindicated in that because obviously
Speaker 4: Trump lost the election, although I'm not sure he would
Speaker 4: acknowledge that.
Speaker 1: So this leads me into a question that I ask
Speaker 1: all of my guests, and that's what would you say
Speaker 1: is our largest cultural issue? And is it the fact
Speaker 1: that people will just do whatever they're told?
Speaker 3: Wow, we have.
Speaker 4: So many And I guess you when you say issue,
Speaker 4: you mean what problem do we have culturally?
Speaker 3: That's the biggest?
Speaker 4: Well, to me, public ignorance is number one, as everything
Speaker 4: flows from that. But but related to that is a
Speaker 4: complete lack of belief in our basic founding principles, foremost
Speaker 4: among them freedom of speech. I mean, I'm a I'm
Speaker 4: a conservative libertarian. I'm a big free speech guy. It
Speaker 4: is really scary, especially how younger people view the issue
Speaker 4: of free speech. And you know, I mean, we're seeing
Speaker 4: it right now with the Kansas City Chief kicker Harrison Putcker.
Speaker 3: I don't agree with everything he said. I got two
Speaker 3: young daughters.
Speaker 4: But the idea that the you know, the liberal elites
Speaker 4: and the National Football League and everyone else are going
Speaker 4: down on him this hard for simply giving a commencement address.
Speaker 3: He didn't hurt anybody, didn't hurt anybody.
Speaker 4: They're going after him harder than they do NFL players
Speaker 4: who beat the crap out of women physically. And I
Speaker 4: really think Carol, part of it, part of it's political
Speaker 4: right because it's seen its conservative. We can't we can't
Speaker 4: have a conservatives taking out in the mainstream like this,
Speaker 4: especially for Taylor Swift's team. We can't do that. But
Speaker 4: but I think there's another aspect of this, and that
Speaker 4: is that you know, we live now in a world
Speaker 4: where we think, at least younger people think, you know,
Speaker 4: the whole sticks and stones may bake break my bones,
Speaker 4: words will never hurt me.
Speaker 3: That's gone.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Saying something that someone disagrees with or hurts their feelings
Speaker 4: is actually maybe worse than hitting them in the face.
Speaker 1: Far warmers, you may as well hit them in the face,
Speaker 1: because you're going to get into far more trouble for saying,
Speaker 1: you know, men can't get pregnant or whatever on a
Speaker 1: college campus than violence. Violence, I think is like kind
Speaker 1: of shrugged off.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: I mean, when I was younger and learning the way
Speaker 4: that things were supposed to be in this country, that
Speaker 4: would have been inconceivable because if only because every kid
Speaker 4: was taught sticks and stones may bake, may break my bones,
Speaker 4: but words will never hurt me. Every kid knew that,
Speaker 4: and I don't know what the heck happened. Did we
Speaker 4: stop teaching it or I don't know, but somewhere along
Speaker 4: the lines, we got to this idea where you can
Speaker 4: be physically harmed and traumatized by words that somebody uses, even.
Speaker 3: If they're not directed at you specifically.
Speaker 4: Just be a general group of people, or they just
Speaker 4: make you uncomfortable, or they make you question your own beliefs.
Speaker 4: It's really scary. So we have a lot of cultural issues,
Speaker 4: but that one, to me, really strikes the court.
Speaker 1: Did you always want to be in media? Did you
Speaker 1: always want to be like a writer podcaster?
Speaker 4: Well, I originally wanted to be a television sportscaster, which
Speaker 4: is what I was. I don't know if you know that,
Speaker 4: but I began my career as a television sportscaster in
Speaker 4: the nineteen nineties after graduating from Georgetown University in the
Speaker 4: late eighties. And so I was a TV sportscaster and
Speaker 4: reporter and an NBC affiliate in Ohio and a Fox affiliate.
Speaker 3: In North Carolina.
Speaker 4: And then I realized I'm just way too controversial for
Speaker 4: sports television, and I went into talk radio and then
Speaker 4: documentary films and a whole bunch of other things, and
Speaker 4: now I do podcasting and some television work. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I've always been interested in the media. I've always liked broadcasting.
Speaker 4: I don't know whether or not a many good at it.
Speaker 4: I've done a lot of different things in a very
Speaker 4: mediocre fashion in this industry, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: And it's never been boring.
Speaker 4: I've done a lot of very interesting things in this business.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 4: Just to ask my wife, She'll be the first to
Speaker 4: tell you absolutely not.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I have done some things that will probably be remembered
Speaker 4: for better for worse. But I don't think any we're
Speaker 4: close to coming to say I've made it. I've come
Speaker 4: close to making it, you know. I would like to
Speaker 4: believe there's still another chapter to be written, But if
Speaker 4: there isn't, I would probably be disappointed in how much
Speaker 4: I have a common pushed in this career to this point.
Speaker 1: You know, I actually have to tell you that, like
Speaker 1: going on your podcast, I think it was.
Speaker 2: Maybe like a year ago. Now.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I had, I we had. I really
Speaker 1: thought it was one of I mean, the best hits
Speaker 1: like ever.
Speaker 3: We argued a lot a.
Speaker 2: Lot, and I really really loved it.
Speaker 1: It was like we had a very friendly disagreement and
Speaker 1: it was fantastic.
Speaker 4: I really, I really appreciate you saying that, although I
Speaker 4: was disappointed I couldn't get you to publicly endorse Rondo Santis,
Speaker 4: that the.
Speaker 1: Endorsement game it was really all all it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love Ronda Santis obviously, but you know, I could
Speaker 1: have made the.
Speaker 3: Difference, Carol.
Speaker 4: You could have made friends, You could have made the
Speaker 4: difference in the public nominating process.
Speaker 1: Maybe, I think, you know, it was just it was
Speaker 1: fun to disagree with somebody on in a really friendly
Speaker 1: way where we liked each other at the end of
Speaker 1: it and it was all fine. But we we definitely
Speaker 1: had like a full on argument, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 2: So I love your podcast and I think that's well.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I think you've made it.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Well, your wife.
Speaker 4: I will tell my wife, Carol Mark Whens things I've
Speaker 4: made it which may have some impact with her.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate that very much, Carol.
Speaker 1: So the last question that I ask all of my
Speaker 1: guests is leave us with a tip on how people
Speaker 1: can improve their lives.
Speaker 2: Wow, I feel like you didn't read the pre email
Speaker 2: I sent about all this.
Speaker 3: No, I know what.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that there was another part of the email.
Speaker 4: I saw the link. So I have to say I'm
Speaker 4: not fully prepared, but I can come up with something.
Speaker 3: So that's okay.
Speaker 2: So the two of the three questions so far, you know,
Speaker 2: I asked.
Speaker 1: I have three questions that I ask all my guests,
Speaker 1: and this is the last one.
Speaker 4: Well, hold on, I still want I want to see
Speaker 4: if I can nail this one too, So I want
Speaker 4: to make sure I understand the question. So are you
Speaker 4: talking about from a practical standpoint, like on like an
Speaker 4: every day basis, you can live a better life.
Speaker 1: People leave us with tips I don't live life too
Speaker 1: seriously or read every night before bed, or it could
Speaker 1: be like literally, I mean a lot of people say
Speaker 1: work out, because that's apparently what people do.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: But you know, here's what I would tell Here's what
Speaker 4: I would tell my younger self, which is kind of
Speaker 4: in a way.
Speaker 3: That's the way I interpret this question.
Speaker 4: Use your youth when you have it. Do things that
Speaker 4: you can only do when you're young. When you're young,
Speaker 4: do not wait to do them for when you are older,
Speaker 4: one because they may never happen, and two because getting
Speaker 4: old sucks and you're only young ones, and it is
Speaker 4: your greatest commodity is your youth. Use it to the
Speaker 4: fullest extent that you have it while you still have it.
Speaker 4: Because almost anybody in my age group would give anything
Speaker 4: to go back, you know, twenty thirty years ago based
Speaker 4: upon what they currently You know, my gosh, if we
Speaker 4: could go back and know then what we know now,
Speaker 4: it would be a wonderful thing. But even without the knowledge,
Speaker 4: just know, don't sit around doing nothing when you're young.
Speaker 4: I mean that would be the number one thing. Every
Speaker 4: day is precious when you're young, because it is a
Speaker 4: commodity that is going to slip away.
Speaker 3: Far faster than you could possibly realize.
Speaker 1: Youth really is wasted on the young. I don't think
Speaker 1: they appreciate it enough that they don't their knees don't hurt,
Speaker 1: and their back doesn't creak and all of that.
Speaker 3: So thousand, thank.
Speaker 1: You so much for coming on. He is John Ziggler,
Speaker 1: host of the Death of Journalism podcast.
Speaker 2: Check it out.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, John, Thank you, Carol.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on The Carol Marcowood Show.
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