1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: My son left for sleepaway camp today. He's eleven. My 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: eight year old son joins him in a few weeks, 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: and my fourteen year old daughter is doing something similar. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: It's the worst. Being apart from them is just terrible. 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: I miss them every day, and I miss them like 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: I turn to say something to them and realize they're 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: not there. 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: Just awful. 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people hear this perspective and think, oh, 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: that's obvious. But some parents, and absolutely no judgment for 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: me on this, enjoy when their kids go. 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: They take trips, they. 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: Invigorate their marriage, and a lot of people say their 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: families are happier and healthier when the kids return. All 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: of this to say, it's definitely a net positive for 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: families who do it. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: Why would they? 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: And I know this, but I still hate it? 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: So why do it? Right? 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: That's a question I ask myself after they've. 22 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: Been gone a few weeks. 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: Why send my children out into the world like that? 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: I just want to keep them. 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: Close to me. 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: And you know, partially it's because this is what American 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: Jews do. I mean, non Jews go to sleep away 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: camp too, But it's a real big part of the 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: American Jewish experience. I didn't do it growing up because 30 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: I was an immigrant from the Soviet Union, and even 31 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: if my parents somehow had the money, they probably wouldn't 32 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: have known that sleep away camps existed. But I have 33 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: little American kids, and part of our religious experience in 34 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: this country involved sleep away camp. But also the kids 35 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: love it, and again they come back happy, mature, having 36 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: done things for themselves, lived a life outside the family bubble, 37 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: made new friends, challenge themselves. I mean, the whole thing. 38 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that are good for 39 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: kids that we don't necessarily like. Struggle is good for kids, 40 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: but it's kind of hard to watch that from a 41 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: parent's perspective. Having to try hard is good, learning how 42 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: to get along with other people, all of it. It's 43 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: hard to watch them fail, it's hard to be apart 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: from them, but all of it leads to a better 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: outcome for them. It's funny. COVID has been back in 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: the news the last few days as Anthony Fauci again 47 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: pretends he had no power or influence and never locked 48 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: anyone down or put anyone in a mask. It brings 49 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: up all the old feelings of feeling bad at the 50 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: time that I was not able to do what I 51 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: felt was right for my kids, and having to listen 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: to these idiotic guidelines that made no sense. And the 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: worst part I remember this so clearly, was being accused 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: of just wanting free babysitting when I would push for 55 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: schools to open. And the truth was that that time, 56 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: that cozy time at home where we didn't see anyone 57 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: or have to do anything, it was great. I loved it, 58 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: but I knew it was bad for them, so I 59 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: pushed for that time to end. Sometimes the things that 60 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: feel good for the parent aren't necessarily what's best for 61 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: the kids. It's a hard but necessary lesson. Keep sending 62 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: in your ideas for new questions for the guests. As 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: I mentioned when I hit the one year mark of 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: the show in October, I'm going to switch up my 65 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: three standard questions, so if you have ideas for what 66 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: they should be. 67 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: Let me know. 68 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: I've already gotten some really good ones. The email is 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: Carol Maarkowitz Show at gmail dot com or tweet at 70 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: me on X Thank you for listening. Coming up next 71 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: and interview with John Ziggler join us after the break. 72 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 73 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: guest today is John Ziggler, host of the Death of 74 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: Journalism podcast. 75 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: Hi John, So nice to have you on. 76 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: Always great to talk to you, Carol. 77 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: So, how dead is journalism on a scale of like 78 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: one to like very dead? 79 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: I would say eleven. This one goes to eleven in 80 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: my opinion. That's why we do a podcast called The 81 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 4: Debt of Journalism. I think this has been a long 82 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: time in coming. I think there are a lot of 83 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 4: reasons for it. But yeah, it's pretty much about as 84 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 4: dead as it could possibly be, and we see examples 85 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 4: of it almost every single day. In fact, you know, 86 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: when I started this podcast, Carol, I thought, am I 87 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: really going to be able to do two hour podcasts 88 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 4: per week focusing on this topic? And if anything, I 89 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 4: find myself having to cut material in order to keep 90 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 4: the podcast from getting too long because there's just so 91 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 4: much evidence of it on a daily basis, as you 92 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 4: well know. 93 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: So does it matter that journalism is dead or is 94 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: this a problem for us? 95 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: Well? 96 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: I think it's a huge problem. 97 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 4: I think that our entire system of government is based 98 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 4: upon the fourth of state being at least somewhat relevant 99 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 4: and competent. 100 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: It's not, and it's not in a lot of ways. 101 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 4: This goes way beyond just normal political bias. You know, 102 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,119 Speaker 4: when I'm fifty seven years old, when I started being 103 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 4: interested in politics, way way back in the nineteen seventies 104 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 4: early eighties, you know, that was the big thing, liberal 105 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 4: bias in the news media. 106 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 3: To me, I long for those days. I long for 107 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: the days of where that was the biggest problem in 108 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: the news media. 109 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 4: It was just that there was a pretty significant liberal bias. 110 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 4: We are so far beyond that now. It's the whole 111 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 4: system is broken. And the main reason there are many 112 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 4: reasons for this, but the main reason is that the 113 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: business model for the news media broke horrendously catastrophically. We're 114 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 4: seeing that almost on a daily basis now, in dramatic fashion. 115 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 4: I mean, it's remarkable how fast the old media is 116 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 4: collapsing right before our eyes. And you know, a lot 117 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 4: of conservatives, Caro W'll probably take joy in that. 118 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: I don't take as. 119 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: Much joy because I think that there's a really important 120 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: role to play not just in fair reporting, but also 121 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: in educating the public. And I don't think it's a 122 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 4: coincidence that the public seems to be less educated about 123 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 4: important topics than they have ever been in probably the 124 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 4: history of the country. 125 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's absolutely right. 126 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: So you know, when you're talking about this, I'm thinking 127 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: to myself, like, what do I think is the biggest 128 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: problem with the media, And obviously the bias is a 129 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: huge thing, but that they're so frequently wrong and they 130 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: don't correct anything. Like I just could think of plenty 131 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: of examples recently where the New York Times, which I 132 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: don't really read that much anymore, partly because it's so wrong, 133 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: but I read like the newsletters they send out, so 134 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: they get things just plain factually incorrect frequently and it 135 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: never gets corrected. 136 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: What would you say is kind of the biggest issue here? 137 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 4: Well, you and I I think I have are a 138 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: like mind when it comes to what I call the 139 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 4: COVID panic. And what we just saw was really remarkable 140 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 4: and in so many different ways, But the media was 141 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 4: dead wrong in unison on many things regarding COVID, not everything. 142 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: And look, I hear a lot of people say, wow, we. 143 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: Didn't know, we didn't know, right, we knew, Well. 144 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: You knew I knew. 145 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, and I'm not that smart you are, 146 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: but I'm saying I'm all that smart. 147 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: You know, I just read some things and things didn't 148 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: make sense, and you know, that's that's really where it 149 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: all came from, right, And. 150 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 4: I think that there is a massive deficit of trust 151 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: post COVID. I don't know if you saw it, but 152 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 4: I guess I think he was your former governor, and 153 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: Anthony Cuomo recently acknowledged, and that there is that if 154 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 4: they did the same things again from a government perspective 155 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 4: as they did during the COVID panic, that the public would. 156 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: Not trust us. Well, a huge part of that is 157 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: so right. 158 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I thought that was actually being somewhat optimistic 159 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 4: because I because if you, if you haven't lost trust 160 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 4: in the government and the media. And let's be clear, Carol, 161 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 4: never in my lifetime has the government and the mainstream 162 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: news media worked hand in hand more significantly than they 163 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: did during the COVID panic. 164 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: It's never happened before. 165 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 4: This was not the way it was supposed to operate, 166 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 4: but they did so. And the most remarkable aspect of 167 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 4: this was they were wrong way more than they were right, 168 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 4: and it wasn't even close. And you know, to me, 169 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: the most glaring example, I think there's a little ambiguity 170 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 4: with regard to the vaccines, but they were totally wrong 171 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 4: about you know, whether there should be mandates. That's one 172 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: hundred percent true. There should never have been mandates for 173 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 4: a vaccine like that that didn't stop transmission and all 174 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 4: the other issues with it. But to me, if you still, 175 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four believe that masks work to stop COVID, 176 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: then I can't help you because there's never been a 177 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 4: major issue about which the reality was. 178 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 3: So obviously the opposite of what the media told us. 179 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 4: They vowed for masks because the government did so, and 180 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 4: they were wrong, and many, many millions of school children 181 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 4: especially were harmed because of this. This wasn't just a 182 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 4: minor inconvenience. This was a situation where people's lives were 183 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 4: dramatically impacted, especially when it came to schooling, and we've 184 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 4: never gotten any acknowledgment that they were wrong. To this day, 185 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 4: the main streamers media won't fully admit that masks don't work. 186 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: And I believe if we had another pandemic. 187 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 4: Again, we'd still, especially in the blue states like here, 188 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: in California, people would mask at least forty fifty percent 189 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 4: of the population would mask up automatically. And it's just astonishing. 190 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 4: It's astonishing that we're still living in that world care. 191 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: You know, I'm still pissed off about the mask thing 192 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: because it hasn't been touched. Like they're kind of there 193 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: inching closer to lots of stuff, Like a lot of 194 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: them have admitted that the six feet you know requirement 195 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: made no sense and didn't come from anything scientific. They've 196 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: admitted that maybe schools should have been open the whole time, 197 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: But nobody has touched masks, and we know that it 198 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: was bullshit. 199 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: We know that it didn't do anything. 200 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: We absolutely have no data to suggest otherwise. And you're right, 201 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: I think should there be another pandemic, I think a 202 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: large number of people would be. 203 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 2: Right back in the masks. 204 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: I you know, my thing about masks is if you 205 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: believe it works, why wouldn't. 206 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: You wear it all the time, one hundred percent of 207 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: the time. 208 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: Like, if it keeps you from getting sick always, why 209 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: not wear them? 210 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: Right? 211 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: And people are like, oh, well, because I was afraid 212 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: of dying of COVID. But even that, you knew you 213 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: weren't going to die of COVID, you knew what the 214 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: percentages were. 215 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I hope, and yet you know. 216 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: You continued doing this crazy thing for so long, and 217 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: so you know, I think it's a hopeful, hopeful thing 218 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: that they wouldn't do it again. 219 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 4: Well, let me explain why they've never corrected themselves. It's 220 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 4: not just not wanting to admit they were wrong, which 221 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 4: is a huge part of the mainstream news media, because 222 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 4: these are all egomaniacs who think that they are smarter 223 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 4: than the rest of us, So they don't want to 224 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 4: admit they were wrong. That's always number one. But the 225 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: biggest part of the problem is for the mainstream element. 226 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 4: You know, outlets like the New York Times, their subscriber 227 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 4: base is extremely liberal, and they are part of the 228 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 4: mask cult, and they don't want to have to tell 229 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 4: their cult, their base of subscribers that they were duped, 230 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 4: that they did something for two years that they didn't 231 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 4: have to do, so they'd rather just pretend it never happened. 232 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 4: Because you know, we've seen this on the right. You know, 233 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 4: neither of us are fans of Donald Trump. 234 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: You know, the right. 235 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 4: Wing media won't say anything that will offend the Trump 236 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 4: cult members. Well, the mainstream media won't say anything that 237 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: will offend the mass cult. And the most dramatic example, 238 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 4: and there are so many, there are hundreds during the 239 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 4: COVID panic, but I'm sure you remember one. There was 240 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 4: a Dutch study early on they'd indicated, oh guess what, 241 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 4: masks don't work? Right in The New York Times originally 242 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: printed a headline it says, massive Dutch study indicates masks 243 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 4: don't really work. That's a paraphrase, right, That was basically 244 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: what they the original headline was. They got so much 245 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 4: blowback from their subscriber base and for people on Twitter, 246 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 4: they changed the headline to say something along the lines 247 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: of masks may not work, but here's why you should 248 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 4: wear one. 249 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 3: Anyway, right, right, right. That's not literally what. 250 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: The headline said. And that's not news, that's not journalism. 251 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 4: That's therapy. That's therapy. 252 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: So hard to understand why no one trusts. 253 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 3: Them, Just bizarre, exactly. 254 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: I was thinking about this. 255 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: You know, you've taken some very controversial opinions obviously, and 256 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, I could think of some that were very 257 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: very controversial or you know, outside of kind of the 258 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't say norm right, just you believe things that 259 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: not everybody leaves. 260 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: Does it feel good? 261 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: Because for me, I honestly would. 262 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: Prefer if everybody just agreed with me. 263 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: I really would. It's not I'm not like there to 264 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: have the argument. I'm having the argument because I think 265 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: you have to. But I prefer I would prefer if 266 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: everyone would just fall into line and believe me when 267 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: I You know, when I argue. 268 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: And be on my side. Do you enjoy the strife? 269 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: No, I actually don't. 270 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: I wish I did not have to go through some 271 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 4: of the things I've gone through standing up for unpopular positions. 272 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 4: By the way, I'm almost always right when I do that, 273 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 4: because I don't do so casually. I only do so 274 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 4: when I am positive that I am right, like for instance, 275 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 4: with COVID. And I actually think, Carol, that some of 276 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 4: the situations I've been in prepared me for the COVID panic. 277 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 3: That's I think one of the reasons. 278 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: Why I not that I was special, but I was 279 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 4: certainly one of those at the forefront, right at the start, 280 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 4: saying WHOA, WHOA, WHOA? 281 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 3: Hold on here, what are we doing? 282 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 4: And it's the reason why I was more than there 283 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 4: were two reasons why I was willing to do this. 284 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 4: One because you know, it's Churchill's old saying, the greatest 285 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 4: exhilaration the man can feel is being shot without result. 286 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 4: And I've been shot many times and I'm still standing, 287 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 4: So I don't fear the attacks. 288 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: That's number one. 289 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 4: But number two, I had seen the same kind of 290 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 4: panic in other situations and what happens under those circumstances, 291 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 4: so I felt like I was prepared. And I also, 292 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: I guess this is number three. I understand the media 293 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 4: exceedingly well. I mean, I've been in every aspect of 294 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 4: the media throughout a very long and tumultuous and bizarre 295 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 4: media career. 296 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: I know a lot of these people. I've dealt with them. 297 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: I get them probably better than they get themselves, and 298 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: so I knew exactly how this was going to go down, 299 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 4: and I, you know, talk about it controversial things. I 300 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 4: am of the belief, Carol, this is a little bit 301 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 4: far field, but I guess a sense of where I'm 302 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: going with this. I believe to my dying breath that 303 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 4: if Hillary Clinton had been president during the COVID panic, 304 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: there would not have been a COVID panic, not because 305 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton was better prepared to handle this than Donald Trump, 306 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: but because the media would not have seen it in 307 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 4: their interest to destroy this president and his reelection chances. 308 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I loathed Trump, but I am easily able 309 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 4: to see that if they had seen the COVID panic 310 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 4: through the prism of oh my god, what's this going 311 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: to do to Hillary's reelection campaign all of a sudden, 312 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 4: we would have seen a vastly different narrative out of 313 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 4: the mainstream news media. There would not have been the 314 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 4: same kind of panic, and we certainly wouldn't have seen 315 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: the Blue states shutting down immediately, because they would have 316 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 4: been like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? 317 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: You're putting Hillary's reelection in jeopardy here. 318 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: Gavin Newsome, as you well know, was the person that 319 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: effectively shut the country down. There's no chance he does 320 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 4: that if Hillary Clinton is running for reelection in twenty sixteen. 321 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 322 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. The fact that Europe 323 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: also freaked out in Asia, I think it was a mass. 324 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: Like absolutely not help. 325 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: But I I look, there would have been it still 326 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 4: would have been a big deal. I'm not pretending the 327 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 4: whole thing was about Trump. 328 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: No, I'm hearing you. 329 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying I'm saying that, you know, there would 330 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 4: have been an argument to be made. The United States 331 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 4: is different. You know, we got the Statue of Liberty. 332 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: We're going to stand up strong. We're not going to panic. 333 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 4: We're gonna do We're gonna get through this together. 334 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: You know this. 335 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 4: You know we're we're not going to destroy our principles 336 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 4: over this. Uh and and you know we're gonna come 337 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 4: out stronger in the end. That would have been it 338 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 4: would have been a you know, already referenced Churchill once. 339 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 4: It would have been a Churchill World War two type 340 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 4: of reaction, rather than the curl into the fetal position, 341 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: wear a mask, shut down schools, and forget about your 342 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 4: damn freedoms. We're now living in a country of tyranny, 343 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 4: especially if you live in a blue state. And so 344 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 4: I really and by the way, Carol, I tried to 345 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 4: write about my theory during COVID for a rather mainstream 346 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: news outlet that I was working for at the time. 347 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 4: I'm not going to mention it right now, but I 348 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 4: was that I was never censored. This outlet previously, I 349 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 4: was censured from writing that take. 350 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: Censored that's crazy. 351 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: That's not a crazy take. I mean maybe just I'm 352 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: seeing it through like. 353 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: Take because at the time I was basically saying, what 354 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: the heck are we doing here? 355 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: That this is all political, or at least the. 356 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 4: Lens through which everyone is seeing this is political, and 357 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 4: some of them was subconscious. 358 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that this was. 359 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 4: I'm I'm a very anti conspiracy type of person, which 360 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 4: makes me unusual on the right these days because I'm 361 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 4: also yeah, the right, the right is dominated by conspiracies unfortunately, 362 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 4: and the era of Trump. 363 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 3: But so I'm not even suggesting this was, oh, we 364 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 3: can get Trump with this COVID virus. That's not what happened. 365 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 4: People just they realized, oh my gosh, well, you know, 366 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 4: one they panicked, and two the nice side effect of 367 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: this is we're going to destroy child Trump's election. Yeah, 368 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 4: and so we can go we can go pedal the 369 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 4: metal on this with our craziness because there's no downside politically, 370 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 4: and I think they were vindicated in that because obviously 371 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 4: Trump lost the election, although I'm not sure he would 372 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 4: acknowledge that. 373 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: So this leads me into a question that I ask 374 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: all of my guests, and that's what would you say 375 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: is our largest cultural issue? And is it the fact 376 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: that people will just do whatever they're told? 377 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: Wow, we have. 378 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 4: So many And I guess you when you say issue, 379 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 4: you mean what problem do we have culturally? 380 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 3: That's the biggest? 381 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 4: Well, to me, public ignorance is number one, as everything 382 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: flows from that. But but related to that is a 383 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 4: complete lack of belief in our basic founding principles, foremost 384 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 4: among them freedom of speech. I mean, I'm a I'm 385 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 4: a conservative libertarian. I'm a big free speech guy. It 386 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 4: is really scary, especially how younger people view the issue 387 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 4: of free speech. And you know, I mean, we're seeing 388 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 4: it right now with the Kansas City Chief kicker Harrison Putcker. 389 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 3: I don't agree with everything he said. I got two 390 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: young daughters. 391 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 4: But the idea that the you know, the liberal elites 392 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 4: and the National Football League and everyone else are going 393 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 4: down on him this hard for simply giving a commencement address. 394 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 3: He didn't hurt anybody, didn't hurt anybody. 395 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 4: They're going after him harder than they do NFL players 396 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 4: who beat the crap out of women physically. And I 397 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 4: really think Carol, part of it, part of it's political 398 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 4: right because it's seen its conservative. We can't we can't 399 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 4: have a conservatives taking out in the mainstream like this, 400 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 4: especially for Taylor Swift's team. We can't do that. But 401 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 4: but I think there's another aspect of this, and that 402 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 4: is that you know, we live now in a world 403 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 4: where we think, at least younger people think, you know, 404 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 4: the whole sticks and stones may bake break my bones, 405 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 4: words will never hurt me. 406 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: That's gone. 407 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 2: Now. 408 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 4: Saying something that someone disagrees with or hurts their feelings 409 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 4: is actually maybe worse than hitting them in the face. 410 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Far warmers, you may as well hit them in the face, 411 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: because you're going to get into far more trouble for saying, 412 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, men can't get pregnant or whatever on a 413 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: college campus than violence. Violence, I think is like kind 414 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: of shrugged off. 415 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: Now. 416 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. 417 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 4: I mean, when I was younger and learning the way 418 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 4: that things were supposed to be in this country, that 419 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 4: would have been inconceivable because if only because every kid 420 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 4: was taught sticks and stones may bake, may break my bones, 421 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 4: but words will never hurt me. Every kid knew that, 422 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 4: and I don't know what the heck happened. Did we 423 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 4: stop teaching it or I don't know, but somewhere along 424 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 4: the lines, we got to this idea where you can 425 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 4: be physically harmed and traumatized by words that somebody uses, even. 426 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: If they're not directed at you specifically. 427 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 4: Just be a general group of people, or they just 428 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 4: make you uncomfortable, or they make you question your own beliefs. 429 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 4: It's really scary. So we have a lot of cultural issues, 430 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 4: but that one, to me, really strikes the court. 431 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: Did you always want to be in media? Did you 432 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: always want to be like a writer podcaster? 433 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 4: Well, I originally wanted to be a television sportscaster, which 434 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 4: is what I was. I don't know if you know that, 435 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 4: but I began my career as a television sportscaster in 436 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: the nineteen nineties after graduating from Georgetown University in the 437 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 4: late eighties. And so I was a TV sportscaster and 438 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 4: reporter and an NBC affiliate in Ohio and a Fox affiliate. 439 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: In North Carolina. 440 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 4: And then I realized I'm just way too controversial for 441 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: sports television, and I went into talk radio and then 442 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 4: documentary films and a whole bunch of other things, and 443 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 4: now I do podcasting and some television work. So yeah, 444 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 4: I've always been interested in the media. I've always liked broadcasting. 445 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 4: I don't know whether or not a many good at it. 446 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 4: I've done a lot of different things in a very 447 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: mediocre fashion in this industry, that's for sure. 448 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 3: And it's never been boring. 449 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 4: I've done a lot of very interesting things in this business. 450 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've made it? 451 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 4: Just to ask my wife, She'll be the first to 452 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 4: tell you absolutely not. 453 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: You know. 454 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: I have done some things that will probably be remembered 455 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 4: for better for worse. But I don't think any we're 456 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 4: close to coming to say I've made it. I've come 457 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 4: close to making it, you know. I would like to 458 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 4: believe there's still another chapter to be written, But if 459 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 4: there isn't, I would probably be disappointed in how much 460 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 4: I have a common pushed in this career to this point. 461 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: You know, I actually have to tell you that, like 462 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: going on your podcast, I think it was. 463 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: Maybe like a year ago. Now. 464 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: I loved it. I had, I we had. I really 465 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: thought it was one of I mean, the best hits 466 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: like ever. 467 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: We argued a lot a. 468 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 2: Lot, and I really really loved it. 469 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: It was like we had a very friendly disagreement and 470 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: it was fantastic. 471 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 4: I really, I really appreciate you saying that, although I 472 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 4: was disappointed I couldn't get you to publicly endorse Rondo Santis, 473 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 4: that the. 474 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: Endorsement game it was really all all it was. I mean, 475 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: I love Ronda Santis obviously, but you know, I could 476 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: have made the. 477 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 3: Difference, Carol. 478 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 4: You could have made friends, You could have made the 479 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 4: difference in the public nominating process. 480 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: Maybe, I think, you know, it was just it was 481 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: fun to disagree with somebody on in a really friendly 482 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: way where we liked each other at the end of 483 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: it and it was all fine. But we we definitely 484 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: had like a full on argument, and I thought it 485 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: was great. 486 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: So I love your podcast and I think that's well. 487 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 3: Thank you. 488 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: I think you've made it. 489 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I really appreciate it. 490 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: Well, your wife. 491 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 4: I will tell my wife, Carol Mark Whens things I've 492 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: made it which may have some impact with her. 493 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: So I appreciate that very much, Carol. 494 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: So the last question that I ask all of my 495 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: guests is leave us with a tip on how people 496 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: can improve their lives. 497 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: Wow, I feel like you didn't read the pre email 498 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: I sent about all this. 499 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: No, I know what. 500 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 4: I didn't realize that there was another part of the email. 501 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 4: I saw the link. So I have to say I'm 502 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 4: not fully prepared, but I can come up with something. 503 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 3: So that's okay. 504 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: So the two of the three questions so far, you know, 505 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: I asked. 506 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: I have three questions that I ask all my guests, 507 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: and this is the last one. 508 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 4: Well, hold on, I still want I want to see 509 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 4: if I can nail this one too, So I want 510 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 4: to make sure I understand the question. So are you 511 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 4: talking about from a practical standpoint, like on like an 512 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 4: every day basis, you can live a better life. 513 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: People leave us with tips I don't live life too 514 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: seriously or read every night before bed, or it could 515 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: be like literally, I mean a lot of people say 516 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: work out, because that's apparently what people do. 517 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: I don't. 518 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 4: But you know, here's what I would tell Here's what 519 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 4: I would tell my younger self, which is kind of 520 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 4: in a way. 521 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 3: That's the way I interpret this question. 522 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 4: Use your youth when you have it. Do things that 523 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 4: you can only do when you're young. When you're young, 524 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 4: do not wait to do them for when you are older, 525 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 4: one because they may never happen, and two because getting 526 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 4: old sucks and you're only young ones, and it is 527 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: your greatest commodity is your youth. Use it to the 528 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,479 Speaker 4: fullest extent that you have it while you still have it. 529 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 4: Because almost anybody in my age group would give anything 530 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 4: to go back, you know, twenty thirty years ago based 531 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 4: upon what they currently You know, my gosh, if we 532 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 4: could go back and know then what we know now, 533 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 4: it would be a wonderful thing. But even without the knowledge, 534 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 4: just know, don't sit around doing nothing when you're young. 535 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 4: I mean that would be the number one thing. Every 536 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 4: day is precious when you're young, because it is a 537 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 4: commodity that is going to slip away. 538 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 3: Far faster than you could possibly realize. 539 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: Youth really is wasted on the young. I don't think 540 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: they appreciate it enough that they don't their knees don't hurt, 541 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: and their back doesn't creak and all of that. 542 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: So thousand, thank. 543 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: You so much for coming on. 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