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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast, presented by the United States Marine Corps.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hans is coming to you from
Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with some heroes. Greg Rosootball, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: What is up? Blees big week? I remember call like
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, no offense, Mark, But you
Speaker 1: know we led the preview show with Colts Brown's and
Speaker 1: it's like, now we got six games better than that.
Speaker 1: This is a big week, no no offense taken. You know,
Speaker 1: as you know my my team took an ultra dirt
Speaker 1: nap a week ago and they've somehow been erased from
Speaker 1: the landscape. Maybe they'll be back. You know, everything could
Speaker 1: change very quickly, Mark, Yes, this is week seven the
Speaker 1: preview uh for the Around the NFL Podcast. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get a recap h from Greg and a mystery guest
Speaker 1: Giants Eagles, which leaves us it little rusty here. Thirty
Speaker 1: two teams, four teams them buy two teams already played.
Speaker 1: Leaves us with teams divided by two games to talk about.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know your college baby, the math before
Speaker 1: the show, you had like four or five days before
Speaker 1: the show here to figure out the math versus now,
Speaker 1: well that that would be cheating. You know that that
Speaker 1: was all in real time and that was special for
Speaker 1: me and I'm proud um to see improvement in a
Speaker 1: year where not many things have improved. But boys, let's
Speaker 1: get into it, and you know how we do it.
Speaker 1: Every week it's draft style picking every game. We also
Speaker 1: have our locks of the week. Uh, and that's that's
Speaker 1: a very uh that's a very big uh competition between us.
Speaker 1: But before we get to that, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about a little bit Ravens news. Boys, YANNIKN. Gockway, now
Speaker 1: member of the Baltimore Ravens, traded by the UH Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 1: So he does a quick quick stop over with the Vikings.
Speaker 1: Who knows dive this season are now looking toward and
Speaker 1: in Gockway gives the Ravens a proven pass rusher, which
Speaker 1: Greg that's a player they needed they do. You know,
Speaker 1: I think people outside of Baltimore probably don't realize how
Speaker 1: much their pass rush has struggled this year. And when
Speaker 1: they're not blitzing, Matthew Judaan is probably not gonna be
Speaker 1: there long term. So maybe in Gockway is and you
Speaker 1: only gave up a third and fifth round pick. In
Speaker 1: the event that they don't sign in Gockway, there's a
Speaker 1: chance they could get a compensatory pick a year later anyway,
Speaker 1: so they're they're almost getting them for free. And Uh.
Speaker 1: It says more about the Vikings, who were willing to
Speaker 1: give up a second round pick a month ago. Now
Speaker 1: they moved back around maybe around and a half. Considering
Speaker 1: the two teams are very different. They're giving up on
Speaker 1: this season. They're looking to next year. And it makes
Speaker 1: me think Rick Spielman their GM and Mike zimmer Uh
Speaker 1: their coach, who both got contract extensions before this year.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're they're safe, like and I would
Speaker 1: have assumed I would have thought they would have been safe,
Speaker 1: But to be making moves like this where they're almost
Speaker 1: trying to get worse for makes me think they're probably
Speaker 1: safe and they're they've been given some assurances that they're
Speaker 1: gonna get to see this rebuild all the way through.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's that's interesting. I think it also depends what
Speaker 1: happens between now and the end of the season in
Speaker 1: terms of safety. But you know, they've kept Rick Spielman
Speaker 1: around through various regimes. I think part of the equation here,
Speaker 1: and Spielman mentioned this today, was that Daniel Hunter he
Speaker 1: is having surgery for a herniated disc and knocking him
Speaker 1: out for the year. And their whole plan all along,
Speaker 1: who's having Gockway and and Hunter together, and and that
Speaker 1: plan has completely fallen apart. So I know it's well,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just saying it's easy to pie all
Speaker 1: on the Vikings. But maybe they thought look at and
Speaker 1: Goqui is not here long term in our eyes, and
Speaker 1: so we got something back. But you'd have to look
Speaker 1: at guys like Anthony Harris, their safety and other players
Speaker 1: that maybe could be available before the trade deadline if
Speaker 1: further moves happened from Minnesota. You're they're telling us we
Speaker 1: are giving up on this season. I mean, they look
Speaker 1: like they've given up on the field to me half,
Speaker 1: even if they haven't given up, they've lost so many
Speaker 1: games now they're they're pretty much cooked as it is.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, nice pick up by the Ravens. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to the Week seven action now, and I
Speaker 1: have the first overall pick, and I'm very happy too.
Speaker 1: I'm running to the podium to hand in the ticket
Speaker 1: for Steelers Titans. Oh my goodness, battle of the last
Speaker 1: two undefeated teams in the a f C. And this
Speaker 1: is a great game. Not just because they're undefeated, not
Speaker 1: just because their ranked number two and number three in
Speaker 1: the old Zeuser's Power rankings, although that feels like the
Speaker 1: driving momentum behind this game. I feel like what this
Speaker 1: is is like a really hard game to pick because
Speaker 1: Ryan Tohannehill and Derrick Henry and the Titans offense looks
Speaker 1: so unstoppable, uh this past week. And you know, everyone
Speaker 1: is on fire obviously and rightly so about Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: going off for two yards some scrimmage. But you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the biggest takeaway from me the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks is that Ryan Tannehill is not just the
Speaker 1: guy that's going to approach his play from last year,
Speaker 1: but looks like the same guy. So it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so you have Tannehill playing at an all pro level, uh,
Speaker 1: and then you put him into this mix with this great,
Speaker 1: solid all around team and Mike Rabel, who's got this
Speaker 1: team coached up very well against the Steelers, who are
Speaker 1: another team that's clicking right now on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball. So you got Tannehill in the Titans offense,
Speaker 1: you got Migah Fitzpatrick and the Steelers defense. You have
Speaker 1: no Taylor Luan at left tackle for the Titans after
Speaker 1: torn a c L. You have no Devon bush Uh
Speaker 1: in the front seven for the Steelers after a torn
Speaker 1: a c L. What an even fun game? Stuff? Not
Speaker 1: fun everything else. I love it. Yeah, you usually trust
Speaker 1: the team that's better, you know, offensively and the better quarterback.
Speaker 1: And it's so weird that that's obviously the Titans. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the Steeler's offense has been fine, and James
Speaker 1: Conner looks a lot better uh in mid October than
Speaker 1: he did in mid September, and that's big for them.
Speaker 1: And Ben hit a big Ben hit a couple of
Speaker 1: long throws last week against the Browns, But he's more
Speaker 1: of a game manager. You you hit it with Tannehill,
Speaker 1: he's a He's a different player than he was a
Speaker 1: year ago. Because Tannehill is getting it done, not just
Speaker 1: in play action, but he's not making mistakes in the
Speaker 1: straight drop back game and there are some big time differences.
Speaker 1: I think he's not taking sacks anymore. And man, he's
Speaker 1: amazing against pressure, and this is the game where that
Speaker 1: is going to be an ultimate test because no, no
Speaker 1: defense with you know that gets more pressure than the Steelers.
Speaker 1: No defense has more guys that deserve double teams. Step
Speaker 1: onto it, and Cameron Hayward tortured your Brown's last week
Speaker 1: mark and it's like you don't even have to think
Speaker 1: about Dupree and what on the outside. Like those guys
Speaker 1: on the inside alone deserve double teams. And it's it's
Speaker 1: really hard to know who to stop with this Pittsburgh defense.
Speaker 1: It makes it a fascinating matchup. I mean I watched
Speaker 1: left guard for the Brown's Joel Bettonio, who has been
Speaker 1: a rock for years, get pretty handled by Cam Hayward.
Speaker 1: Tannehill is a different quarterback than Baker Mayfield against pressure, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been seeing this for a week after week.
Speaker 1: He is willing to take a massive shot as he
Speaker 1: unfurls a deep dart into the end zone and it's complete.
Speaker 1: When I think about Tannehill, it's kind of like this
Speaker 1: brings hope to us all. You can be relatively average
Speaker 1: in your job for eight years and then suddenly become
Speaker 1: a fascination to the eyes. And when I think of
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, it's like, what does he remind me of?
Speaker 1: It's like if you cut a wall out of your
Speaker 1: house and dropped it off a nineties story building to
Speaker 1: the ground. That's what he feels like running downhill. And
Speaker 1: the combination of these two and their offensive line, the
Speaker 1: way that their interior line is beaten broke. You broke
Speaker 1: my brain with that house since ninety story building that
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure it out, honestly. Like I
Speaker 1: was showing some clips of this to my wife, Simone,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if she was intrigued by my
Speaker 1: analysis just what it looked like to me, like just gigantic,
Speaker 1: A gigantic being coming down hill at you two hundred
Speaker 1: miles an hour, and it shows, I mean, he wears
Speaker 1: teams down. This is a fascinating matchup because the Steelers
Speaker 1: what they're good at, they are good at week after week.
Speaker 1: I trust them to be I honestly, I think they're
Speaker 1: better than the Ravens. I think that on offense are
Speaker 1: being a little bit underrated because they have such a
Speaker 1: rich variety of weapons, and a big Ben is big Ben.
Speaker 1: But guy like Guys like Chase Claypool make this a
Speaker 1: completely different attack. They're fun to watch. This is a
Speaker 1: crazy game. I can't wait to see baby dim the lights.
Speaker 1: I have some Derrick Henry highlights to show you more
Speaker 1: impressive than my highlights. So you know, no one's complaining.
Speaker 1: Um Derrick Henry. He for if you're of a certain age.
Speaker 1: I think about bo Jackson. I think about herschel Walker,
Speaker 1: just like, how are you that fast and that strong?
Speaker 1: How can it be bigger than everyone and faster than everyone?
Speaker 1: Especially in that yard run? Greg, I am it does
Speaker 1: not go unnoticed. Greg, year after year. You know you
Speaker 1: don't like Ben Roethlisberger. You have an issue with him,
Speaker 1: all sorts of issues. I have been a bigger fan
Speaker 1: of him than anyone on the show time out. Last
Speaker 1: week it was he was big breeze this week. Now
Speaker 1: he's been downgraded to a straight game manager. Next week
Speaker 1: he's gonna be you know, you know Joe Flacco lever
Speaker 1: level backup scrub. Where what's going on here? Man? I wrote?
Speaker 1: He saw NFL dot Com saying he was the most
Speaker 1: underrated quarterback of his generation, Like he's been a top
Speaker 1: five quarterback for ever, but he's a different player this
Speaker 1: year and he I thought he showed some things last week,
Speaker 1: hitting some throws down the field, but they're they're a
Speaker 1: different offense. They're not built around Ben anymore. And that
Speaker 1: that's why I have a really hard time picking this game,
Speaker 1: because usually a trust offense. But wow, like this is
Speaker 1: such test of how good the Steelers defense really is.
Speaker 1: Tony Romo, I thought made a great point last week.
Speaker 1: The only way to beat them is not side to side.
Speaker 1: It's running straight at them. And who runs straight at
Speaker 1: you better than Derrick Henry, Like who hits deep shots
Speaker 1: better than Ryan Tannehill. Where I think the secondary for
Speaker 1: the Steelers has some weaknesses, so we're gonna need the
Speaker 1: old Big Ben back out there. It's more a guy
Speaker 1: that I love them in the past, and I want
Speaker 1: to see that guy, Pat, I want to see him.
Speaker 1: This is just this is not just you. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: this pop up on football Twitter that it's kind of
Speaker 1: like all these subtle little shots at Big Ben's actually
Speaker 1: not that good this year. He's just kind of cruising along.
Speaker 1: And when I watch the games, I see a guy
Speaker 1: maybe the numbers aren't there yet, but I think he
Speaker 1: is still he's much more than a game manager. I
Speaker 1: think he's a huge plus player. Uh, and you're going
Speaker 1: to continue to see it. This year. One of us
Speaker 1: will be right. I think he's he's still very good.
Speaker 1: People will be one over when he is victorious in
Speaker 1: the a f C title game. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: this is a a Mike Tomlin big Ben special this season.
Speaker 1: I can just feel it within that they want a
Speaker 1: super Bowl with him as a game manager. They want
Speaker 1: a super Bowl with him as a game manager. Dan,
Speaker 1: it can't be done, but I think he'll get better.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not on the anti big Ben side.
Speaker 1: Don't I see what you're doing. You're trying to paint
Speaker 1: me in the corner. I'm taking the Steelers to win
Speaker 1: this game. We should pick it. Yeah, let's pick it.
Speaker 1: So you got the Steelers about you, Mark, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go Tennessee by one point on the last second field goal.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you. I'm feeling you, feeling the
Speaker 1: same thing. Very close game. Give it to the home
Speaker 1: team to pull it out. Can't wait. That's a number.
Speaker 1: That's Andrew luck in two thousand twelve. That's what that is.
Speaker 1: That's Joe Burrow that's Trevor Lawrence to the New York
Speaker 1: Jets up next in the draft. Greg Rosenthal, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I can take Patriots forty niners off the
Speaker 1: board before it because he's a need. They need it.
Speaker 1: The Patriots do not want to follow the two and four,
Speaker 1: but you know what, Binners really need it to. Uh
Speaker 1: they could fall under five hundred. And I'm fascinated to
Speaker 1: see two teams that I don't really trust either quarterback,
Speaker 1: so I don't trust their team as a whole. I
Speaker 1: know Jimmy g had a nice schemed up game last
Speaker 1: week and they worked it out. That's gonna be tough
Speaker 1: to do week after week. But I'm looking at Cam
Speaker 1: Newton and the Patriots as the passing attack that is
Speaker 1: the even bigger concerned this week because if you go
Speaker 1: back to Cam Newton's last game before he played the Broncos,
Speaker 1: it was against the Raiders. He really struggled throwing the
Speaker 1: ball in that game. So I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can put everything on him missing practice and not having
Speaker 1: been conditioned going into the Broncos game. That's a factor,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it was him not being confident
Speaker 1: in his offense. There were some open receivers that he
Speaker 1: didn't pull the trigger. Uh, there was was a chance
Speaker 1: to win the game late where he has a couple
Speaker 1: open receivers again just holds onto it. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: He's new in this offense. He's not comfortable. But if
Speaker 1: they don't get up to speed soon, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen because the running game it's good, but
Speaker 1: defenses have really shut down the read option plays since
Speaker 1: week on, and so they need Cam Newton to start
Speaker 1: finding their receivers. Mark, I'm with you, I I I yeah.
Speaker 1: We always talk about the Patriots taking a leisurely month
Speaker 1: to figure out who they are on offense. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't think that that journey is over by any stretch
Speaker 1: of the imagination, unless they want to be an attack
Speaker 1: centered around Ryan Izzoh. There's a lot of Ryanzo in
Speaker 1: our life right now. And it's a very um odd
Speaker 1: group of skill position players. And you know a guy
Speaker 1: like Julian Edelman, who when I watched the Seahawks game,
Speaker 1: he shined in that game, and so did Cam. You
Speaker 1: thought that was the way forward. I mean, he's just vanished.
Speaker 1: And there there was a bizarre trick plays at the
Speaker 1: end of the game. But then I flip it over
Speaker 1: to Jimmy Jean. You know, watching that Rams game on
Speaker 1: Sunday night, here's a guy who threw beyond the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage twice. I mean, they are leaning on yards
Speaker 1: after the catch, and they've got some guys that can
Speaker 1: make that productive. And they they thumped the Rams in
Speaker 1: that first half. So I mean, you know it's called
Speaker 1: scheme right there. But I have to wonder if a
Speaker 1: Bill of Belichick has special knowledge of Jimmy g and
Speaker 1: and you know, and maybe maybe that's a little X
Speaker 1: factor here. But secondly, does Shanahan really trust Jimmy g
Speaker 1: I don't see this passing attack telling me yes on
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, I think there might be a little
Speaker 1: issue there between coach and quarterback in San Francisco. But
Speaker 1: also we know that he's safe because we've seen the
Speaker 1: options behind Jimmy g that. It's funny because we just
Speaker 1: talked about where Big Ben fits. Is he, you know,
Speaker 1: a high end game manager. That's what I see Jimmy
Speaker 1: g as and when he's healthy and the opponent is right,
Speaker 1: he could carve up anybody against good competition, he should
Speaker 1: be okay. But he's not a guy that maybe lifts
Speaker 1: you to the next level. And with the Patriots, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: this is why Tom Brady struggled so much last year.
Speaker 1: They didn't put anything around him there. There's there's no
Speaker 1: explosive playmakers, and Cam Newton is back there holding the
Speaker 1: ball waiting for guys to get open, and you just
Speaker 1: put your quarterback in such a tough situation, Greg And yes,
Speaker 1: that's that's how the league works. Everybody say, Okay, the
Speaker 1: Patriots are gonna try to turn themselves into this read
Speaker 1: option run Cam in to the ground on go nuts. Well,
Speaker 1: the NFL just so if they're taking that away, we're
Speaker 1: kind of back to square one. Not at the same
Speaker 1: level because Tom Brady obviously was a statue in the pocket,
Speaker 1: but where they're gonna struggle to score points in on
Speaker 1: a consistent basis they will. I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: team that's good at stopping the past, not necessarily good
Speaker 1: at stopping the run. So the forty Niners look at that,
Speaker 1: they think this is a good matchup and the Patriots,
Speaker 1: it has to be mentioned, I had all sorts of
Speaker 1: offensive line issues. They lost Aluminoire, who was ranked as
Speaker 1: a top ten tackle on PFF, he's going to injured reserve.
Speaker 1: But they do get back. It sounds like Shack Mason
Speaker 1: and David Andrews this week return to practice, and that's huge.
Speaker 1: Last week against the Broncos, the Patriots only had a
Speaker 1: single offensive starting a lineman in the same spot that
Speaker 1: they started the year, and so that's gonna help them.
Speaker 1: But they have to win games different ways, and and
Speaker 1: usually Belichick has the edge with the coaching matchup. I
Speaker 1: don't know Patriots fans know what I'm talking about. Think
Speaker 1: back to the early two thousands. Who was the one
Speaker 1: coach that you knew was gonna give Belichick's defense even
Speaker 1: at their peak all sorts of problem. It was the
Speaker 1: mastermind k Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanan does a lot
Speaker 1: of the same stuff. I don't really trust Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: in a man your shook, Greg. I don't even need
Speaker 1: to ask your peace scale right now at the Patriots,
Speaker 1: because it is you're You're in a bad way, You're nervous.
Speaker 1: You I've been saying they're not special anymore, and now
Speaker 1: I'm starting to hear it creep into your mind. The doubts.
Speaker 1: Are the Patriots just another also ran team. Is this
Speaker 1: the time? Now? Is it time to say goodbye to
Speaker 1: all the wonderful gallops into January? I think it is,
Speaker 1: and I think you you're sence. It's week six. They're
Speaker 1: gonna not that the week seven. They got a time,
Speaker 1: They got time to prove themselves. But this is a
Speaker 1: big one. That's why I wanted it. Alright. I do
Speaker 1: not count out Bill Belichick in October. That feels like
Speaker 1: a perilous moved in. But that is sort of your move. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it's also like you mentioned, Mark, You're like, oh, the Patriots,
Speaker 1: they always figure it out after September. That was the
Speaker 1: old Patriots. This is now. That was then. Let's move on, Mark,
Speaker 1: You're up next in the draft. All right, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: quite annoyed that Greg took the game that I was
Speaker 1: quite fascinated with. But I'm gonna go Green Bay at
Speaker 1: Houston another very interesting matchup. I don't think the Texans.
Speaker 1: They feel like a weird team that could suddenly pull
Speaker 1: up like four wins in a row. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's happening this week necessarily. This is a good bounce
Speaker 1: back spot for Green Bay after getting thumped by Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay last week. They're not dealing with the Bucks defense
Speaker 1: this time around. I mean, this Houston defense is a
Speaker 1: hot mess. You can run on them, you can pass
Speaker 1: on them, you can do whatever you want. You can
Speaker 1: have your fancy. So I think this is a good
Speaker 1: job for Aaron Rodgers, for Aaron Jones, the whole crew
Speaker 1: to get back on track, because you know, it feels
Speaker 1: like in like rest in Peace defense in general, because
Speaker 1: the Packers have issues of their own, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have these games where when a good one lines up
Speaker 1: like the Bucks. Did you know I could come out
Speaker 1: of that really concerned about putting pressure on Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: and what Matt might mean for green Bay's overall attack.
Speaker 1: But I just want to give some of these teams
Speaker 1: kind of a mulligan. I just think that green Bay
Speaker 1: is more the team that we saw before that. Green
Speaker 1: Bay's defense, though, whether you measure it by deep metrics
Speaker 1: or just the naked eye, they are struggling. I mean,
Speaker 1: the last year it was all about Aaron Rodgers saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we finally have a defense. Well, now you finally definitely
Speaker 1: do not in the pass rush is not there. Um,
Speaker 1: they are just they are not able to stop much
Speaker 1: at all. So this feels to me like shootout Central.
Speaker 1: I don't know who will win this thing. I'm not
Speaker 1: that I'm not the greatest predictor on Earth, but my
Speaker 1: trust is with Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1: Sneaky good game. I mean what Deshaun Watson I think
Speaker 1: is playing awesome right now, lights out really the last
Speaker 1: three or four weeks. And you're bringing up the Packers defense.
Speaker 1: Makes sense to me, Mark, because if you look at
Speaker 1: their d v o A, the Packers defense is actually
Speaker 1: ranked below the Texans defense there thirty in the league.
Speaker 1: That's how bad they are. And if you watch Watson,
Speaker 1: you know he's on point, He's making good decision. I
Speaker 1: think he actually has a greater depth of offensive playmakers
Speaker 1: around him. Uh, then Aaron Rodgers does. Now, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have Davante Adams, and he doesn't have Aaron Jones. He
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't have the running game. But I think this
Speaker 1: Texans offense can move the ball quite well. I'll be
Speaker 1: watching Bradley Roby in this matchup. He is one of
Speaker 1: the rare cornerbacks in the league that matches up against
Speaker 1: the opposing number one, and that's a tough matchup. You'll
Speaker 1: see it on the other side too, probably Gayarro Alexander
Speaker 1: against Will Fuller, so Roby versus Adams. I don't know Adams.
Speaker 1: To me, he's probably gonna cook him up in this
Speaker 1: matchup and Rogers really gonna need it because I think
Speaker 1: he's missing some of the depth with Alan Lazard out
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, this podcast is kind of like a
Speaker 1: microcosm for the greater NFL world's viewpoint of the Packers
Speaker 1: right now, because you know what team, perception wise was
Speaker 1: hurt more by a game than the Packers in Week
Speaker 1: six because we went into the first four weeks. They're
Speaker 1: playing incredible football on offense, especially not turning it over,
Speaker 1: running the ball, passing the ball, defense, getting the stops,
Speaker 1: and they're just they're cruising. Two wins to start the
Speaker 1: season they hit thereby and now after this game it's
Speaker 1: like it's welcome back all those doubts again about the
Speaker 1: Packers and uh, last season, you know when they were
Speaker 1: thirteen and three but didn't get any love from certain
Speaker 1: groups who thought they were an overrated team. Mark you
Speaker 1: were one of them. Now is it time to start
Speaker 1: looking at them that way again? One thing I didn't like.
Speaker 1: I really didn't like how the Packers just kind of
Speaker 1: laid down. They got bullied a little bit for the
Speaker 1: first time on the offensive line, which has been so
Speaker 1: good to start the season, and and Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: the whole team just kind of like put up the
Speaker 1: white flag to the point where Aaron Rodgers was on
Speaker 1: the bench midway through the fourth quarter against Tampa. So,
Speaker 1: now that you've taken the shot confidence wise as a team,
Speaker 1: which version of the Packers shows up in Houston? Because
Speaker 1: I agree with you, guys. I don't think the Texans
Speaker 1: are a good team or a top team in the NFC,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna hang because they have a superstar quarterback.
Speaker 1: So I I'm with you Shootout City, you know. So
Speaker 1: one of the reasons Deshaun Watson Dan has been playing
Speaker 1: so well, as as of his left tackle, Laramie Tunsel,
Speaker 1: who you came at me on Twitter. You said I
Speaker 1: have a complicated relationship with him. I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was a little hard on Tunsel in the off
Speaker 1: season because he led the league and penalties pre snap penalties.
Speaker 1: I thought, if you're the highest paid tackle, don't leave
Speaker 1: the league and penalties. Well, you know, how many penalties
Speaker 1: he has this year? Zero? And people I trust Brandon
Speaker 1: Thorn on Twitter. PFF's rankings have him as the number
Speaker 1: one left tackle in the league. This matchup could involve
Speaker 1: the two top left tackles in the league if David
Speaker 1: baktr is healthy enough to play, so you know, players
Speaker 1: get better, Laramie Tunsel making the leap worth all the money.
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien genius general manager after all? Al Right, okay,
Speaker 1: and just that, yes, he he had a strong year
Speaker 1: last year as well, had some penalties, and I just
Speaker 1: feel like you've been up and down on him in general.
Speaker 1: And now that that tweet jumped out to me and
Speaker 1: I said, let me engage in your mentions and then
Speaker 1: you were so fired been angry that I dared to
Speaker 1: do that. You didn't even reply, so I didn't get
Speaker 1: the rest. I didn't see it till hours later, as
Speaker 1: if we hadn't worked together for seven years, and even
Speaker 1: your bother I wanted to say, for the show this gold,
Speaker 1: this is gold, right area. You know who didn't engage
Speaker 1: that all was Jadevan Clowney going against Laramie tuns of
Speaker 1: last week. I've never seen someone make Jeevan Clowney look
Speaker 1: like a little kid as much as tunsl did as
Speaker 1: crazy jadeveon Clowney. That's a whole other topic. All right.
Speaker 1: Up next in the draft, pick Mark Sessler. How about
Speaker 1: this guy's we will go Seattle at Arizona and this game?
Speaker 1: To me, here's another defense with the Seahawks that concerned me.
Speaker 1: I mean, they are twenty eight and sack rate in
Speaker 1: the NFL. They are not getting to the quarterback. You've
Speaker 1: got to deal with DeAndre Hopkins and Kyler Murray, who
Speaker 1: is an absolute magician on the ground. But I'm watching
Speaker 1: this Cardinals offense sometimes and I think that they're still
Speaker 1: in search of themselves too. I don't I don't entirely
Speaker 1: trust them. I don't think that they played especially well
Speaker 1: against the Jets a couple of weeks ago. They weren't
Speaker 1: magical last week. They just do some things really well.
Speaker 1: Uh At that's that said. I mean, you know what
Speaker 1: I feel about the Seahawks, guys. I feel like every
Speaker 1: Seahawks game is essentially the same. They can get into trouble,
Speaker 1: they will play. You know, they against the Vikings, I
Speaker 1: think they played their worst half of the season. But
Speaker 1: there's something about the Seahawks that they can overcome that
Speaker 1: kind of a half, and so this is, to me
Speaker 1: is sort of an acid test for the Cardinals. I
Speaker 1: know they beat they beat Seattle a year ago, but
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I trust this Cardinals offense more than
Speaker 1: I did the Cardinals offense from last season. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't either. They're they're a strange team. The Cardinals are
Speaker 1: four and two. You gotta give them some credit for that.
Speaker 1: They're an organization that has not won a lot of
Speaker 1: games in recent years. So they're beating bad teams up that.
Speaker 1: They've had the fourth easiest schedule in the league so
Speaker 1: far this season, and now it gets a lot tougher.
Speaker 1: I think the Kyler Murray scramble right now is pretty
Speaker 1: much the most unstoppable play in football. I I saw
Speaker 1: people like kind of getting on the Cowboys defense for
Speaker 1: not being ready for some of the scramble. It's like,
Speaker 1: no one is ready for that, but can you do
Speaker 1: at quarter after quarter? I don't trust it as much
Speaker 1: as those Seahawks receivers going up against these Cardinals cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson has not played that well this year. Drake
Speaker 1: Kirkpatrick has not played that well this year, and you
Speaker 1: have to just trust Seattle a little more and see
Speaker 1: what Pete Carroll did defensively during the bye week. Sounds
Speaker 1: like they're probably not getting Jamal Adams back, But does
Speaker 1: he come up with any answers because that was not
Speaker 1: a Pete Carroll defense that we really saw over the
Speaker 1: first five weeks of the season. This is gonna be
Speaker 1: a great game. What a great quarterback game Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, and we talked about it earlier this week
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Murray his playmaking ability is pretty terrifying
Speaker 1: for a defense, and now you have Seattle can't stop anybody,
Speaker 1: and this feels like potentially a huge Kyler Murray game.
Speaker 1: That's that's the kind of vibe I'm getting right now
Speaker 1: because and Seahawks fans are so angry over in power
Speaker 1: rankings Land that I still have them right at five.
Speaker 1: They want them at one because they're undefeated. This is
Speaker 1: a team that has major issues on defense. And I
Speaker 1: just think that unless Russell Wilson continues to play at
Speaker 1: this all world level, and maybe you will and they'll
Speaker 1: be okay and go thirteen and three or fourteen and two.
Speaker 1: But there's the other side of this and how these
Speaker 1: things typically work out, where if one side continues to
Speaker 1: be a major issue and you're trying to cover up
Speaker 1: in them every week, well that means the slump's coming
Speaker 1: and you're eventually when the offense cools off, the defense
Speaker 1: isn't there to pick you up, and you lose a
Speaker 1: few games. I kind of see that coming, but maybe
Speaker 1: with Seattle, and I think it's gonna happen here in Arizona.
Speaker 1: I like the Cardow Well, I will have to disagree
Speaker 1: on one front because I just I think that Seattle
Speaker 1: can get get by with these defensive issues, and I
Speaker 1: believe in their desire and their overall team makeup and
Speaker 1: the whole Seahawks energy enough that I'm going to confidently
Speaker 1: lock up the Seattle Seahawks this week. That's my lot.
Speaker 1: You're such a predictable lot. I knew it. You've skated
Speaker 1: by last Seahawks over Vikings, lock the Seahawks over Patriots lockey.
Speaker 1: You love these Seahawks closed games. You know what? Last
Speaker 1: week I tried to get fancy. I went with a
Speaker 1: young Carolina Panthers team. I got burned hard and dropped
Speaker 1: me out of first place. I'm going back to the
Speaker 1: reliable Seattle organization that I trust with my heart. Time
Speaker 1: now for Road to Victory presented by the United States
Speaker 1: Marine Corps. Greg You're up next, all right, I'm going
Speaker 1: down to the dirty NFC South taking a Panthers Saints
Speaker 1: matchup with all sorts of connections. That's why I like
Speaker 1: this division. They're always just very incestuous. And this year
Speaker 1: you've got Joe Brady, the Panthers play caller on offense,
Speaker 1: going back to the Superdome where he helped the Saints offense,
Speaker 1: where he knows Teddy Bridgewater obviously very well. He knew
Speaker 1: him in New Orleans. Now he's got him in Carolina,
Speaker 1: and he's going up against Dennis Allen, the Saints defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: When you look at these two rosters, the Saints are
Speaker 1: so much more talented that the Carolina Panthers have to
Speaker 1: win with scheme and have to make Dennis Allen do
Speaker 1: dumb things, which Dennis Allen does. Sometimes. I think he
Speaker 1: overthinks that he loves to let everyone know that Dennis
Speaker 1: Allen is calling the blitzes and doing some wild stuff.
Speaker 1: Because when you just match them up, obviously, the Saints
Speaker 1: are way more talented. I think their defensive line looks
Speaker 1: better right now now that they have Marcus Davenborg back there. Deeper,
Speaker 1: they're better. And yet I just think this Panthers coaching
Speaker 1: staff can keep it close and make the Saints very nervous.
Speaker 1: I would be concerned about one aspect of the Saints
Speaker 1: defense though, and it's it's shined in the past, but
Speaker 1: Marshall and Lattimore is giving up a perfect passer raining
Speaker 1: at the moment. Uh. You know, North Jenkins has been
Speaker 1: out of the mix side, you can you can pass
Speaker 1: on this team. Uh. The on the flip side, Carolina
Speaker 1: runs sort of a zone defense that does not has
Speaker 1: not given up a ton of big plays down the field,
Speaker 1: but you can kind of operate these sort of shorter
Speaker 1: passing game hypercentage throws on them. And that is perfect
Speaker 1: for Drew Brees. And you're getting Michael Thomas back and
Speaker 1: Alvin Camar You can run on Carolina too. That has
Speaker 1: been a consistent issue for that defense. Um a pretty
Speaker 1: banged up defense too that lacks some pass rushers right now.
Speaker 1: So I think this sets up well for Thomas's return,
Speaker 1: for Alvin Kamara, who was amazing the last time we
Speaker 1: saw him, and so this Saints team, you know, well rested.
Speaker 1: I like their situation here in a tight one though.
Speaker 1: These Panthers, they're frisky, they don't get blown out. They
Speaker 1: keep it, they keep it interesting. That Matt Rule fan
Speaker 1: club is still vibrant. Don't talk to me about the
Speaker 1: Bears game. It's still alive. People are still subscribing to
Speaker 1: the newsletters. Were going strong. Yeah, the Saints to me
Speaker 1: feel well set up here. I'm with you. That was
Speaker 1: such a huge win to steal on Monday night football,
Speaker 1: to get into Earby and then regroup a little bit.
Speaker 1: And you would think Latimore unless he's you know, injured,
Speaker 1: and he's not himself right now and there's something else
Speaker 1: going on, we'll get better. Uh. And I'm not too
Speaker 1: worried about the Panthers. I think they'll um score some
Speaker 1: points here. But at the same time, Michael Thomas is back.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting what's going on with Michael Thomas because
Speaker 1: it's yes, it's the high ankle sprain that knocked him
Speaker 1: out for three weeks, but then a suspension for punching
Speaker 1: a teammate and he's known as a volatile personality behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, and is this under control or is there
Speaker 1: something spiraling behind the scenes with the Saints, because this guy,
Speaker 1: I think Camara would be the Dave Damnaschik Jenga Peece
Speaker 1: for this offense. But Michael Thomas is the guy that
Speaker 1: really makes Drew Brees better than average at this star
Speaker 1: stage of his career. So you have Michael Thomas, healthy, motivated,
Speaker 1: in the right place, headspace wise, Emmanuel Sanders starting to
Speaker 1: figure things out, get the chemistry going. With a healthy
Speaker 1: Camara and Breeze, They're gonna continue to score points. I
Speaker 1: like the Saints in this game, but I respect the Panthers.
Speaker 1: That could be a frisky game for them. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm saying this, but I think we need I mean,
Speaker 1: we need a little bit less of Taysom Hill. He
Speaker 1: was our weekly segment. He's not living anymore on Taysom Hill.
Speaker 1: He's dying with Taysom Hill. I look at I think,
Speaker 1: I still think he's a super fascinating player, but a
Speaker 1: gadget player is what he probably is at this point.
Speaker 1: And it just it didn't look right. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, you know, Twitter Middle School had their fun
Speaker 1: with all of that business, but I think some of
Speaker 1: it was correct that this is like either it's it's
Speaker 1: either you're gonna put Breeze in on these plays. But
Speaker 1: when he was yanked, I mean there was one moment
Speaker 1: where Breeze was just staring at Sean Payton with like
Speaker 1: a thousand yards stair, like, why is Taysom Hill and
Speaker 1: the trust Breeze? They don't trust Freeze on third and long.
Speaker 1: And I don't totally blame them. I think you're right,
Speaker 1: but he converted several of them in a big spot
Speaker 1: on Monday night Fall. But that's why it was so
Speaker 1: odd to me. When Breeze was warming up in the
Speaker 1: second half and making plays, they were still pulling them
Speaker 1: off the field for Taysom Hill. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: there just was some type of I don't know, incongruity there.
Speaker 1: It's fair. I didn't mean to shut you down there, right, Wow. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I love that Marcus finally given given up.
Speaker 1: I feel like we should you know, celebrate or you
Speaker 1: know not podcast history. Let's use them correctly, Let's put
Speaker 1: him in a position to succeed. That's all you know,
Speaker 1: we got. We're getting a little bit too much. A
Speaker 1: little bit too much is a little bit too much
Speaker 1: all right. That was Road to Victory presented by the
Speaker 1: United States Marine Corps. Alright, that brings up the old
Speaker 1: Zeuser in the pics. I will take let's see how
Speaker 1: manna hammana hammana Bucks at right? All right? So listen,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna say about the Bucks right now?
Speaker 1: What what can you say in a critical sense to
Speaker 1: to doubt them after what we saw against the Packers.
Speaker 1: They are when they are right, the most complete team
Speaker 1: in the league. Defense is absolutely on fire right now,
Speaker 1: and it's been that way for most of the season.
Speaker 1: Look at the numbers, look at the advanced analytics. This
Speaker 1: team is for real on that side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And what it's done is created a perfect situation here,
Speaker 1: uh in that Tom Brady does not have to be
Speaker 1: the savior. He doesn't need to be two thousand seven
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. He just needs to be a super glorified
Speaker 1: game manager himself. And he's been exactly that and sometimes better.
Speaker 1: So I'm feeling really good about the Bucks right now.
Speaker 1: I'd be very tough for me to pick against him.
Speaker 1: And you know the Raiders right now, obviously they have
Speaker 1: a situation with COVID nineteen that's created some indecision around them,
Speaker 1: and that's been a distraction that feels like every team
Speaker 1: gets hit with this at some point it's their turn.
Speaker 1: But they are also now coming off of bye and
Speaker 1: they are feeling great, or they were because they just
Speaker 1: beat the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes and Arrowhead,
Speaker 1: so two teams with a lot of confidence. The game
Speaker 1: is being played at the depth star Mark Seessler, what
Speaker 1: do you think? I mean, you know, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of heat on Paul gun Through because for what
Speaker 1: you might like about the Raiders offense, the defense for
Speaker 1: a while now has been highly suspect. They held the
Speaker 1: Chiefs to one score in the second half. I mean
Speaker 1: it was just that is if if this team is
Speaker 1: able to knock out Kansas City and then turn around
Speaker 1: and take care of the Bucks, I mean we have
Speaker 1: to call that a massive doorway they've talk to into
Speaker 1: a world of completely different expectations for this this Prater's Club.
Speaker 1: And there's a little thing I like about this game
Speaker 1: is that member back when the coronavirus just started and
Speaker 1: we were all in our little homes doing our free
Speaker 1: agency show, and there were whispers that the Raiders wanted
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and what did that mean for Derek Carr?
Speaker 1: And I mean, Derek Carr is the kind of quarterback
Speaker 1: that I get that he's like a really nice guy,
Speaker 1: but he seems to hold onto slights. That's the way
Speaker 1: I perceived into and I think it's got to be
Speaker 1: lodged in his mind that my own team had interest
Speaker 1: in Tom Brady, which is not a sin because it's
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. But now you have Derek Carr, who has
Speaker 1: like eleven touchdowns, one pick, seventy plus completion percentage. He's
Speaker 1: playing lights out. We saw what I wanted to see
Speaker 1: from him last week, which is aggressive. Derek Carr the
Speaker 1: thing that we have been missing, the reason I found
Speaker 1: him slightly bland. It's it's happening. They've got the guys
Speaker 1: to throw to. This makes this game highly interesting to
Speaker 1: me because the offense is transforming before our eyes a
Speaker 1: little bit. Shissler, Wait a second, Shissler, you just sold
Speaker 1: your lot on Taysom Hill. Are you coming over to
Speaker 1: my used car lot? Are you coming over? I mean
Speaker 1: I'm driving by the car lot and taking a look
Speaker 1: at what's you know, what's on stock, and I'll and
Speaker 1: I may wander over there during my lunch break. Some
Speaker 1: great quarterback players there. I'm with you, Mark, and you
Speaker 1: mentioned the one interception this year that to me showed
Speaker 1: the maturation of Derek Carr. It was against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: It was on third and one. They decided to go
Speaker 1: for it and at the part of the field you
Speaker 1: can live with an interception. He got aggressive. It didn't
Speaker 1: work out, but I'm with you. I saw them going
Speaker 1: deep down the field in situations where they normally would
Speaker 1: run it. Now can they do it week after week?
Speaker 1: I don't know. You're giving all this credit to the
Speaker 1: Raiders defense because they had a good second half against
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Well, they played in the first half two
Speaker 1: and they stunk in that. I mean, they gave up
Speaker 1: a ton of To me, the biggest mismatch in this
Speaker 1: game is when the Bucks have the ball and their
Speaker 1: offensive line goes up against the Raiders defensive line and
Speaker 1: you hand the ball off to Ronald Jones or you're
Speaker 1: protecting for Tom Brady, and it's gonna be a great matchup.
Speaker 1: As you said, you know when the Raiders have the ball,
Speaker 1: But when the Bucks have the ball, I trust the
Speaker 1: Bucks offense a little better. They're just getting to going.
Speaker 1: I mean they're at an elements. Godwin's healthy again, Gronk
Speaker 1: is doing a little uh. Everyone is playing a little better.
Speaker 1: And that's why I feel as confident as all years,
Speaker 1: which is why I'm probably gonna ruin my undefeated locks record,
Speaker 1: because one once you feel yourself a little bit, you
Speaker 1: get it wrong. I'm locking up the box. There it is.
Speaker 1: I love it and also not a surprise. You know,
Speaker 1: we work together so much. I know we all know
Speaker 1: who we like and don't like. Greg's never gonna be sold.
Speaker 1: He's never coming to the used car lot. So he
Speaker 1: saw that great performance against Kansas City is ultimately a mirage.
Speaker 1: Like in Las Vegas, the tall casino building. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean Dan his nickname is used car lot. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's that's pretty rough. And he's gonna you can
Speaker 1: only go with one like weird nickname per game. And
Speaker 1: I'm I'm riding the bulls assance right now. The Todd
Speaker 1: Bowls defense. And how about Carlton Davis. He shut down
Speaker 1: Davante Adams. He can do the same. We'll see to
Speaker 1: Henry Rods. And if you do that, then this Raider's
Speaker 1: offense not not as good. Some people are just better
Speaker 1: as defensive coordinators. There was no balls assance with the Jets.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that. Um all right, snakes the
Speaker 1: old suser. So let's uh stay. So that was Sunday
Speaker 1: night football. How about a little Monday night football the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. You're gonna be busy at night. The Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams. You guys, put your feet up, enjoy your
Speaker 1: night off, because I got this another good game. This
Speaker 1: is a good week. This is a good week in
Speaker 1: the National Football League, in our league. The Bears. Nobody
Speaker 1: respects the Bears. They're five and one, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: at what point does that change? Are they just one
Speaker 1: of those teams that nobody ever kinda gives love or
Speaker 1: takes seriously, and then they're eleven and five and hosting
Speaker 1: a home game in January? You know what? They might
Speaker 1: be that team, but go show me, show me here
Speaker 1: in prime time. Now. The Rams are a good team.
Speaker 1: The Rams are not a great team. They're coming off
Speaker 1: a frustrating primetime loss in Week six against the forty nine.
Speaker 1: Is I still like the Rams? Don't love them, don't
Speaker 1: think they're a powerhouse. So if the Bears are actually good,
Speaker 1: capital g good, this should be a game that they
Speaker 1: could hang in and potentially even win, And that's what
Speaker 1: it's about. We talked about it. Market defense is kind
Speaker 1: of like an extinct species in the NFL. Well, the
Speaker 1: Bears are kind of like this exception where they're winning
Speaker 1: with their defense and they're getting turning the ball over
Speaker 1: and they're getting just enough quarterback play. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's sustainable for as a Super Bowl contender, but I
Speaker 1: think it's sustainable in Week seven against the Rams. What
Speaker 1: do you guys think? Yeah, I think. I mean the
Speaker 1: Bears have come to us from nineteen seventy two, and
Speaker 1: I think their style is atypical to what most fans
Speaker 1: um would prefer to see. I think that includes some
Speaker 1: Bears fans too, or mystified that the offense seems to
Speaker 1: constantly be going in reverse. But they're five and one,
Speaker 1: and if you look at what they did against Carolina,
Speaker 1: I mean the they uzz old uh Teddy Bridgewater, who
Speaker 1: has been pretty good this season. I mean interception on
Speaker 1: the first drive, interception on the last drive, caused to
Speaker 1: fumble right in the middle of the game of Mike Davis.
Speaker 1: That was the game right there. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: way they want to win. They want to win these
Speaker 1: games like twenty nineteen, and I think they can do it.
Speaker 1: I mean my concern is that I don't know, We've
Speaker 1: been watching football for like three decades, like there have
Speaker 1: been like six Bears teams that went twelve and four,
Speaker 1: stellar defenses and questionable quarterback play, and there one and
Speaker 1: done typically in the playoffs. Or do they go to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and play the cults and operate in
Speaker 1: one of the most boring Super Bowls in our life
Speaker 1: in the downport So I don't know, flip the coin,
Speaker 1: or or they get a Coach of the Year award
Speaker 1: that you totally forget, Dick Duron Coach of the Year,
Speaker 1: Matt Neckach of the Year. It's a similar team, um,
Speaker 1: and the defense is going to keep them in this game,
Speaker 1: partly because their secondary is so good. And we know
Speaker 1: Kleio Mack and Akiem Hicks are good. But I don't
Speaker 1: think Kyle Fuller has been getting enough love this year
Speaker 1: or Eddie Jackson. Those two guys are dynamic, and Kyle
Speaker 1: Fuller had a year a couple of years ago where
Speaker 1: he was an All Pro type layer. He is playing
Speaker 1: at that level again. So whether he's matched up against
Speaker 1: Robert Woods or Cooper Cup and then you've got Eddie Jackson.
Speaker 1: They're not even thrown at him anymore. He's complaining about that.
Speaker 1: It's a really great defense. And they are a different offense.
Speaker 1: I will say with Nick Foles, if nothing else, they've
Speaker 1: changed how they're not succeeding. And now they're really pass heavy.
Speaker 1: I mean they were really run heavy with Mitch Drabinsky.
Speaker 1: Now they're really passivy. I think that's the way to
Speaker 1: go because Foles makes a couple of plays every week
Speaker 1: and you look at David Montgomery and there's just not
Speaker 1: a lot of juice in that running game, not of
Speaker 1: a lot of explosion there. I just don't know if
Speaker 1: that matches up well with the Rams. When I when
Speaker 1: I think the Rams, I think you attack their weakness
Speaker 1: in terms of the run defense. They've got some good
Speaker 1: players in the secondary. Can the Bears moved the ball
Speaker 1: because they are definitely like a pass heavy Matt Naggy,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to be like Andy Reid type of team. Now.
Speaker 1: One thing that jumped out to me just looking at
Speaker 1: some numbers ahead of this game, Uh, the Rams are
Speaker 1: in the NFL and points per game on offense. Well,
Speaker 1: it looked it feels that way watching their games sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like there's also there's been a general feeling that
Speaker 1: they've gotten better post Todd Gurley, and well, they're much
Speaker 1: better per play, you know, they're they're having these games
Speaker 1: where there's not a lot of plays, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of running. I mean, they're they're one of the
Speaker 1: most run heavy teams in the league, and until last
Speaker 1: week they were super efficient passing, but then that fell apart.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen them do it against anyone but the
Speaker 1: NFC stuff that that's a that's worth pointing out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who didn't like the lack of connection between Cup and
Speaker 1: in golf last week? I mean that that that kind
Speaker 1: of frazzled them and messed them up. Why do I
Speaker 1: keep saying frazzled on the show? I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: frazzled that you're saying frazzled so much. But I they're
Speaker 1: usually spot on Cup and golf. I expect that to be. Um, okay, who,
Speaker 1: let's pick this game real quick. I'm curious about this one.
Speaker 1: I got the rams in a close one. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't like what I'm seeing where they're a heavy favorite,
Speaker 1: if you know what I'm saying. But I do think
Speaker 1: the Rams sneak it out. Rams. I think the Bears
Speaker 1: win again, and everyone is like quietly annoyed by it,
Speaker 1: just like except for Bears Twitter. Bears Twitter has taken
Speaker 1: over them. In Patriots, Twitter would be in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl of of annoying Twitter, of of getting in my mentions.
Speaker 1: I I see you, Bears Twitter. Yeah, maybe the Bears win.
Speaker 1: They can get into the top ten of the power
Speaker 1: rankings too. You know, just that's what that's inside the building.
Speaker 1: That's what they're pushing for. That's the motivation. Right up next, Greg,
Speaker 1: you're on the clock. Oh boy, all right, let's go
Speaker 1: to another early game this week. I know this sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: but I am intrigued to see Washington Dallas, um just
Speaker 1: out of morbid curiosity. Morbid curiosity because this game matters
Speaker 1: in the NFC East. And man, I haven't seen a
Speaker 1: week as ugly as it's been in Dallas. And I
Speaker 1: look at this Washington team and I think they look
Speaker 1: at what Kyle Allen did last week, and I think
Speaker 1: they convinced themselves. You know what It's like. I know
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen had that fumble, but he did have the
Speaker 1: drive right afterwards. He did make plays and I think
Speaker 1: their offense ran a little better. Hey, we've got a
Speaker 1: top ten defense right now. I really believe that Washington does. Uh.
Speaker 1: Dallas is replacing their offensive line again, like they're missing
Speaker 1: their left their their replacement left tackle is out. Like
Speaker 1: this is a very winnable game for Washington, even if
Speaker 1: it might not be very pretty to watch. I mean,
Speaker 1: the pressure on Andy Dalton last week and just the
Speaker 1: tackle play. I think interior of the line was okay,
Speaker 1: but the tackle play was a disaster. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: think you want to go into games and have Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton throw the ball fifty four times. That just that's
Speaker 1: not a formula that's ever really worked with the Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton family line um Cowboys to me. I mean, and
Speaker 1: you just the reports coming out this week. I had
Speaker 1: one friend that's kind of close to the team saying
Speaker 1: that the players a while ago work. We're saying that
Speaker 1: this defensive scheme was too complex. And you've heard that
Speaker 1: a couple of times, like Rex Ryan's defense got that
Speaker 1: buff flow where like you're in week six and the
Speaker 1: players aren't playing off instinct and the Dallas defense has
Speaker 1: like these interesting parts on paper. I mean you'd say
Speaker 1: that someone like Layton vander esh coming back would be
Speaker 1: big for him and for Jalen Smith, and Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: is being paid a lot of money and is not
Speaker 1: playing the way he has in the past. I just this,
Speaker 1: This feels like I don't want to like overreact, but
Speaker 1: I don't even think it is overreacting. And Dan, I
Speaker 1: think you mentioned this too, but I had the same feeling,
Speaker 1: like Mike McCarthy is he here next year if this
Speaker 1: thing continues to spiral this way? Or is Mike I
Speaker 1: would put it this way, Is Mike McCarthy willing to
Speaker 1: remove some of his friends from this staff upon further review?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a disaster. When the Cowboys players
Speaker 1: are talking this way anonymously, Um, it's still October. That's
Speaker 1: a car crash. Yeah. I mean, Jerry just turned seventy eight,
Speaker 1: and if this thing truly goes off the rails and
Speaker 1: there's a mutiny, I don't see why he wouldn't just say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta try this again because I will
Speaker 1: have this talented core and I can't waste potentially two
Speaker 1: years with Mike McCarthy if he doesn't have this team
Speaker 1: believing in him first place. Cowboys. I know people keep
Speaker 1: on saying that with this NFC, all these NFC East teams,
Speaker 1: but does it ultimately matter if they're terrible and the
Speaker 1: organization is drowning? Because what does it mean even getting
Speaker 1: to play January game if you have all these problems.
Speaker 1: Now that said, I don't love Mike McCarthy, and um,
Speaker 1: I also don't think the Cowboys are gonna completely death
Speaker 1: spiral here. I don't think they're gonna go four and twelve.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people that want to
Speaker 1: see that because it's sometimes fun to watch the world burn,
Speaker 1: to watch America's team burn. But the Washington football team
Speaker 1: they lose every week now and we can talk about
Speaker 1: how great their defense is, but they're losing every week.
Speaker 1: And Kyle Allen, listen, that's a guy I don't believe in.
Speaker 1: Uh So, as much as like the world is on
Speaker 1: fire for the Cowboys, you know, some people could go
Speaker 1: and lock up undefeated teams and feel like, you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: looking in the mirror, I'm gonna be the guy that
Speaker 1: locks up the Dallas Cowboys. Oh my god, the road
Speaker 1: coming off a hideous Monday night loss on a short
Speaker 1: week during a mutiny, so you could pick your Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson's Uh, Sessler, give me America's team to get back
Speaker 1: on track. Hold on. I mean at this point, these
Speaker 1: little slings and arrows, I am totally impervious to them.
Speaker 1: If we were to go look at your lock record,
Speaker 1: it's stretching into last season. There are some unbelievable cock
Speaker 1: it up where you're in a home with no mirror.
Speaker 1: There isn't there isn't even a mirror on the this
Speaker 1: is this is a bald one. I mean if when
Speaker 1: you can go against Kyle Allen, uh, it's bold Now,
Speaker 1: I actually do think it's bull Kyle Allen five drives
Speaker 1: last week, ten plus plays. I I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're seeing. You know what I'd be worried about with
Speaker 1: Dallas though? Is there? Is it? It's their stars that
Speaker 1: like get you worried, Like Zeke is still there and
Speaker 1: isn't he that? I'm totally with you, Gregor, but can't
Speaker 1: you see Zeke he's an All Pro star? Or his pride,
Speaker 1: her people are doubting him. Can't you see two yards
Speaker 1: from Zeke? Can't you see it, I start all I want.
Speaker 1: All I think about when Jane Slater, you know, does
Speaker 1: these reports, is like, all right, who is it? Like?
Speaker 1: Who's who's feeling comfortable enough to just bury it? It
Speaker 1: definitely feels it definitely feels defensive minded because the offensive
Speaker 1: staff is pretty similar to a year ago. So you
Speaker 1: start thinking about, all right, who are the big stars
Speaker 1: on defense? Things aren't going well, And I think it's
Speaker 1: a reminder to the Dallas coaches, you know, return those
Speaker 1: Jane Slater texts. You don't give her the respect, you
Speaker 1: take some heat, She'll slay you. All right? Up next,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, all right, well I get that. You know
Speaker 1: the qu rating has tumbled below earth surface at this point,
Speaker 1: but I'm going Cleveland, Cincinnati. I left it for you.
Speaker 1: That's the game I wanted, but I assumed we're not allowed.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the game I wanted. But I just
Speaker 1: assumed we're all afraid of you. Oh, I you know,
Speaker 1: not there yet. I know that, Dan Is. I've taken
Speaker 1: the Jets two weeks in a row, and it's literally
Speaker 1: lowered my enjoyment of um human life. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going down that road again. But I am gonna stick
Speaker 1: with Cleveland here, but you have to. I think the
Speaker 1: thing is, if you're a Browns fan, like, there's a
Speaker 1: lot to be excited about foundationally that I think Kevin
Speaker 1: Stefanski has shown through his kind of even keel demeanor
Speaker 1: week after week, uh, that he is someone that I
Speaker 1: think is going to be around for a while. The
Speaker 1: front office is not battling with the coaching staff for
Speaker 1: the first time since I was like eighteen years old,
Speaker 1: So that's something positive. But you are clearly looking at
Speaker 1: a team that it has a defined ceiling and it's
Speaker 1: within your own nasty division. You've got Wall at thirty
Speaker 1: eight points, you allow to the Ravens, thirty eight to
Speaker 1: the Steelers. The defense is messy, and it's if if
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett is taken out of a game to any extent,
Speaker 1: they've got nothing to hang their hat on. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I really like Denzel Award the player, but he
Speaker 1: has not played up to what I've seen in the
Speaker 1: past from him. Their secondary has been a huge mess,
Speaker 1: and I started with the offense, like Baker Mayfield. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to believe in Baker Mayfield. I
Speaker 1: want Baker Mayfield to be treated with patients because he is,
Speaker 1: like some other young quarterbacks in his fourth scheme, multiple
Speaker 1: coaching staffs, you know, a lot going on around him.
Speaker 1: But I have to look at his play and say,
Speaker 1: this is someone who is locking up. There is a
Speaker 1: play last week and it's the Mike Fitzpatrick interception. It's
Speaker 1: a few others too where he it seems pre snapped,
Speaker 1: is locking onto his target and come hell or high water,
Speaker 1: and it was hell last week. He is going to
Speaker 1: throw the ball to that player. And and the problem
Speaker 1: there is you're not seeing Mike Fitzpatrick in that equation.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to, you know, diagnose what Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield is seen or not, but it just looks to
Speaker 1: me that he is not able to visualize the field
Speaker 1: and he's had he's struggling too. There was a play
Speaker 1: last week where Jarvis Landry, who talked about the fact
Speaker 1: that he played with a broken rib after the Cults games,
Speaker 1: so that's not helpful. Was wide open though, between a
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of a bunch of Steelers defenders
Speaker 1: wide open and Baker just didn't see it. And it's
Speaker 1: a it's a throw that someone who's more advanced inside
Speaker 1: a scheme would see he was punished. And so if
Speaker 1: you can get to Baker Mayfield, and now you're looking
Speaker 1: at the Ravens, who just signed Yannick Nagakway, the Steelers
Speaker 1: and Ravens are basically the teams they cannot get to.
Speaker 1: I do trust them because last time Cleveland got killed,
Speaker 1: it was Cincinnati the next week, and it's like all
Speaker 1: these Browns they are under a lot of pressure to
Speaker 1: show up and play crisp football against the Bengals, and
Speaker 1: they did. They played their best game. But Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: is not there now, and everyone's saying, oh, you don't
Speaker 1: have Clean Hunt. You're You're don't have Nick Chub, You're
Speaker 1: fine ause you have Cream Hunt. I just don't buy
Speaker 1: into that Nick Nick Chubb is it totally different type
Speaker 1: of runner. Who is Cleveland Browns football to the course.
Speaker 1: So I am a little concerned in general about this season.
Speaker 1: I don't like teams that are just wild card fodder
Speaker 1: that get beaten up by a better organization. But it's
Speaker 1: a big step for Cleveland to be four and two
Speaker 1: right now and not two and four. I think I
Speaker 1: figured out a formula. When Mark is nervous about the
Speaker 1: Browns the monologue goes longer, and it's if you're just
Speaker 1: kind of like downloading all these self doubts and all
Speaker 1: these things in your head right now. And that that
Speaker 1: was that was a big one. You know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say something Mark too much on Twitter on Sunday. Oh,
Speaker 1: same old Browns, the Browns, so they still suck and like, no, man,
Speaker 1: I mean that was a tough game. Your quarterback is
Speaker 1: banged up and you're on the road against the legit
Speaker 1: Super Bowl contender. You got your ass kicked. That happens sometimes.
Speaker 1: Now here's the test though, because if it's I know,
Speaker 1: I understand. But that was also Week one and that
Speaker 1: was the Ravens. Here's the test to me. Don't don't
Speaker 1: get beat now in Cincinnati, because then you are the
Speaker 1: same old Browns. Then it's like here we go and
Speaker 1: you cut a month from now and they're four and
Speaker 1: six or something like. Get the get the ship going
Speaker 1: in the right direction again, and don't let negativity build
Speaker 1: because with teams like the Browns and other downtrodden franchises
Speaker 1: in the history, once that negativity starts to get way
Speaker 1: down the it sinks quickly. So get the w get
Speaker 1: back on track, and I think this is a winnable game.
Speaker 1: I mean, Cincinnati is not a powerhouse by any stretch.
Speaker 1: They're not, but I think it's a big time test.
Speaker 1: I suspect Mark is a little nervous about this one.
Speaker 1: I would be. I really struggled on who to pick
Speaker 1: in this game. I did take the Browns to win
Speaker 1: a close one because they have the better offensive line.
Speaker 1: I think they have the better coaching staff right now. Um,
Speaker 1: but they don't have the better quarterback necessarily, and that
Speaker 1: that that is worrisome. I mean to me, that's that's
Speaker 1: the bummer. So far out of six games with Stefanski,
Speaker 1: is Baker is not playing confidently, so you can we
Speaker 1: I we talked about him off the field, on the
Speaker 1: field whatever, like he's got this swag, like he has
Speaker 1: the opposite of swag when he's playing right now, Like
Speaker 1: he bails out after the first read. We saw a
Speaker 1: lot of that last year. Mark pointed out kind of
Speaker 1: how he's locking onto receivers. The Bengals defense has been
Speaker 1: a little better this year. There they're dealing with some
Speaker 1: controversy after our guy Tyler Dragon formally of around the NFL,
Speaker 1: broke some news that Carlos Dunlop and Gino Atkins not
Speaker 1: too happy about getting bench lately. But this Bengals team
Speaker 1: is alright, Like I don't think they're a pushover, and uh,
Speaker 1: I think you look at that they don't, you know,
Speaker 1: necessarily have a quarterback edge in this game, you know,
Speaker 1: if if both guys are protected, I think I trust
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow like a little bit more than Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: right now. And Cincinnati definitely gave Cleveland a ride in
Speaker 1: that primetime game. It wasn't like a I know, the
Speaker 1: final score maybe looked like it wasn't as close, but
Speaker 1: they went back and forth. They had a chance there.
Speaker 1: Mark its snakes to you, Well, I'm just so happy
Speaker 1: that I get to continue my viewing relationship with Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert of the Chargers who will be hosting the Jacksonville Jaguars,
Speaker 1: and Gardner Minshew Spot. I am telling you right now,
Speaker 1: I I have I don't go back and watch many
Speaker 1: of these games twice because there's just too much, too
Speaker 1: too much to deal with in life and everything what's
Speaker 1: going on. But I have found myself, like late at
Speaker 1: night checking out the Justin Herbert throws because I just
Speaker 1: love the way he I mean, he is a rocket.
Speaker 1: I mean you can just see it. And I think
Speaker 1: that for the despite the Chargers record, and despite the
Speaker 1: fact that you know we mentioned this, they're three and
Speaker 1: thirteen in these close games and these one score games,
Speaker 1: that's the bigger issue. I think this is a playoff
Speaker 1: team that is begging the coaching staff to, you know,
Speaker 1: when they build these leads, to put the foot on
Speaker 1: the gas and squeeze the life out of the opponent.
Speaker 1: There's just something about the DNA of this team and
Speaker 1: we all recognize it that kind of just allows these
Speaker 1: opponents back in the game. And you've got a quarterback
Speaker 1: now that allows you to do something completely different and
Speaker 1: his campids struy do with his receivers. For a guy
Speaker 1: that didn't get a lot of practice time, no preseason
Speaker 1: to come in and do what he's done right away,
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean, and you know, Gardner minsh
Speaker 1: you to me, has sort of become sort of the
Speaker 1: same guy every week. Uh. And it's not all bad.
Speaker 1: I see some really good stuff with Gardner MINSHEUW At
Speaker 1: the one play that I just thought this is him.
Speaker 1: He was under total duress against the Lions. He is
Speaker 1: sort of circling between would be tacklers, but you know
Speaker 1: where a lot of quarterbacks would have been taken down.
Speaker 1: He escapes. He has that escape ability. He's slippery, and
Speaker 1: he underhands the ball to James Robinson who darts up
Speaker 1: field with it. But then a couple of plays later
Speaker 1: he lofts a past deep down field into coverage a
Speaker 1: little bit dangerous and it's picked off. You take the
Speaker 1: good in the bad with Gardner Minshew. I the diagnosis
Speaker 1: is this guy is going to be in the NFL,
Speaker 1: probably is a backup after this season for a really
Speaker 1: long time. I think he does a lot of things
Speaker 1: really well. But when you watch Justin Herbert, I look
Speaker 1: at my fascination at Gardner Minshew and say, it sometimes
Speaker 1: feels more appropriate to have that fascination attached to someone
Speaker 1: who's going to be in our life as a starter
Speaker 1: for like fifteen twenty years. I mean, this is uh
Speaker 1: mate and Taysom Hill this week Mark you have to
Speaker 1: eat like we're in a time where you have to
Speaker 1: be able to say I liked this, but now I
Speaker 1: like this more and it's because of the evidence unseen. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, I mean that's it's no comparison. Uh, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna You're gonna like him more after this week
Speaker 1: because he's playing the Jaguars defense. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: the worst defense in the league. They're just they're picking
Speaker 1: up guys up the street and they're starting them that week. Uh,
Speaker 1: like last week Kamalaya Korea and uh, who is the
Speaker 1: other one that they signed, Jabal Shared They signed him
Speaker 1: like two days before the game, and then they're both
Speaker 1: committing costly penalties in the game. I mean that that's
Speaker 1: what happens. So this is a game that charges you
Speaker 1: would think would be able to roll up on him.
Speaker 1: I want to see if they can do that too,
Speaker 1: because a lot of positive things going on with them.
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa and Keenan Allen were clearly not acent before
Speaker 1: the bye. They're back, they're healthy. Uh. It sounds like
Speaker 1: they're gonna get Brian Bilaga back at right tackle. Maybe
Speaker 1: not Trey Turner, but their their line has been a
Speaker 1: huge problem. That that's good. You might get Melvin Ingram
Speaker 1: and Justin Jones back, two of their starting defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: So the Cavalry is coming and this Chargers team is
Speaker 1: one and four. You gotta just take care of business
Speaker 1: and destroy this Jaguars team. Who who is kind of
Speaker 1: the team. I think I overrated because of Week one
Speaker 1: and and even week two, Like there's always one team.
Speaker 1: Remember we were excited about the Bengals after one week
Speaker 1: last year. It's like it was Zach Taylor. This guy
Speaker 1: is a great young coach. I think I did that
Speaker 1: with the Jaguars this year, and it's taken me a
Speaker 1: while to move off that off that take, but it
Speaker 1: has not been a good take. You mentioned Joey Bosa too, right, Greg,
Speaker 1: I did not okay because he played and he only played. Yes,
Speaker 1: I did what I said. He only played twenty eight
Speaker 1: snaps against the Chiefs. He had knee, ankle, and triceps injuries.
Speaker 1: This is a sport for tough, tough people, so he
Speaker 1: gets that week uh, and that will make the defense
Speaker 1: better as well. My my feeling of the Chargers because
Speaker 1: I liked the Chargers too, maybe a sneaky team of
Speaker 1: a t N candidate here. Um, I have them higher
Speaker 1: than any one in four teams should be in the
Speaker 1: power rankings because you just like everything about them except
Speaker 1: for their record and their ability to close out games.
Speaker 1: So you look at where they're at right now. You
Speaker 1: know they won sixteen thirteen in Week one with Tarad
Speaker 1: a game that Randy Bull helped them out with, but
Speaker 1: since it was a three point loss to the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: a five point lost to the Panthers, a seven point
Speaker 1: loss to the Bucks, and a three point crusher to
Speaker 1: the Saints. So go ahead, like Greg said, go spank
Speaker 1: the Jaguars who stink, and get to two and four,
Speaker 1: and then you go to Denver and you see what happens.
Speaker 1: But do not do anything. Do not give us a
Speaker 1: Chargers moment against the Jaguars at home. That would be
Speaker 1: a disgrace. And then we will we will spit venom
Speaker 1: at you Chargers here at the nonsense. Yes, you do
Speaker 1: not want to listen to the Sunday Night Show Chargers
Speaker 1: fans if your team lays an egg against the Jags
Speaker 1: in a big spot in week seven. All right, up
Speaker 1: next is Greg Rosenthal. Alright, I'm gonna take the Lions
Speaker 1: Falcons here. There aren't many games left on the board,
Speaker 1: and I I am a little intrigued by these two teams.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I'm annoyed there laying each other.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's good they're playing each other. I want to see,
Speaker 1: like which one is gonna be a little friskier, uh
Speaker 1: down the stretch here or at least through the mid season.
Speaker 1: Because the Lion's defense came out. They they bawled out
Speaker 1: last week against Jackson. I'm not gonna take anything away.
Speaker 1: I know the matchup was good, but the energy and
Speaker 1: the aggressiveness, the game plan, it was pretty awesome. And
Speaker 1: the Falcons were even more impressive. I mean, it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be that surprising that getting Julio Jones back and Julio
Speaker 1: Jones looking like Julio Jones makes a huge difference, you know,
Speaker 1: it does. Like he's back, the secondary is a lot healthier.
Speaker 1: It gives them more options defensively for Raheem Morris. I
Speaker 1: thought that their offensive line in Atlanta, which has been
Speaker 1: a trouble spot for really the entire dan Quinn era,
Speaker 1: now Raheem Morris has actually had its best year and
Speaker 1: they're okay, Like they kind of fixed that problem. They
Speaker 1: should be able to put up some points and I'm
Speaker 1: curious if they're gonna be dangerous down the stretch. I
Speaker 1: kind of like the Falcons in this game, even with
Speaker 1: Detroit coming off a pretty good performance against Jacksonville. I
Speaker 1: really like seeing DeAndre Swift be what I think they
Speaker 1: the beginnings of what they thought he could be. And
Speaker 1: and I hope his his role just continues to increase.
Speaker 1: And you know, Adrian Peterson, we get it, Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: but I mean, DeAndre Swift is why I got on
Speaker 1: this Detroit Lions thing in the start. I don't trust
Speaker 1: their defense a lick though, And I see this is
Speaker 1: like another rampant shoot out, which you know, shootouts used
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, there's two of them a week,
Speaker 1: and that's the game. You gotta go. Now it's like
Speaker 1: eight eight games a week seemed to be these shootouts
Speaker 1: because defense is apparently decided not to show up in
Speaker 1: you trust the Lions though, to shoot it. That's where
Speaker 1: too against I do against the Falcons defense. Yet I do.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say week to week, but the Falcons defense
Speaker 1: seems to be like a gigantic open barn door that
Speaker 1: just says, you know, bring the whole family in, bring
Speaker 1: all the animals and pets in, and have your way
Speaker 1: inside our barn. Two and three the Lions are and yeah,
Speaker 1: the Matthew Staffard mathf what a barn that would be Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Matthew staff Or was playing before the back injury
Speaker 1: last year. If that guy was playing um for the lines,
Speaker 1: maybe they're above five right now, so they kind of
Speaker 1: need him to jump his play a little bit. The Falcons.
Speaker 1: I still I just you kind of feel it, or
Speaker 1: at least I do that this is a team that
Speaker 1: is ready to hit the the old dynamite thing. What's
Speaker 1: the thing that you know? Here's the thing though, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, they played as well as any team in
Speaker 1: in Week six, but I don't want to put too
Speaker 1: much that Raheem Morris solves their team. But they put
Speaker 1: the bank thing on those Vikings. It was thirty three
Speaker 1: to seven with a couple of left in that game.
Speaker 1: Another disaster show though that I'm just saying. It was
Speaker 1: like that was an impressive one week performance. Let's see.
Speaker 1: And how about your boy young Waiku? Let coup into
Speaker 1: the Kicker club with some of the stalwarts. He's sitting
Speaker 1: fifty yards now. His story that he's now carving out
Speaker 1: a real career is pretty surprising based on where he
Speaker 1: started with the Chargers. That's that's no joke. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: had he's having a nice here. Have we mentioned that
Speaker 1: kai for Bath is signed with the Rams. Now, wow,
Speaker 1: he's got to be a prime time Maybe you don't
Speaker 1: know if he's starting. They're not announcing that yet. What
Speaker 1: was the sandwich prop that you had that he would
Speaker 1: he would hit a game winner in a regular season game.
Speaker 1: Let's check in with the great Nick four tier go
Speaker 1: get my lunch dot org. The old zeuser said, Well,
Speaker 1: the old juer also said the Jets enter Week seventeen
Speaker 1: with a mathematical path to the playoffs. But the old
Speaker 1: juser also in kai for Bath hits a game winning
Speaker 1: field goal within the final minute of regulation or o
Speaker 1: t gree sandwiches on the line. He's not on the
Speaker 1: team at the time. He's been working out like crazy.
Speaker 1: He's been on a couple of practice squads. The Rams
Speaker 1: have a kicker that's far inferior to Greg the leg
Speaker 1: who's in Dallas now, So maybe maybe it actually happens.
Speaker 1: That's a little kicker sidetrack there. Anything else? Oh My
Speaker 1: point was, yes, they might score points with Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: and healthy Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley, but it just
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like the Falcons and Arthur
Speaker 1: Blank another owner that's getting up there in age. They
Speaker 1: might be looking for the next stage of whatever the
Speaker 1: organization is at this point, and it makes for a
Speaker 1: fascinating offseason if Matt Ryan and I know there's all
Speaker 1: sorts of salary capitalications involved there, but Julio Jones like
Speaker 1: these are guys both on the other side of thirty
Speaker 1: for an organization that really needs a fresh start. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. But it was nice to see both
Speaker 1: of those guys ball out in Week six. And for
Speaker 1: no out of the reasons that you know, Falcons fans
Speaker 1: and teams that are root for winless, bad franchise this
Speaker 1: it's nice to have a nice sun to every once
Speaker 1: in a while. They just they just ate a big game.
Speaker 1: Seven Braves l too. It's Atlanta's is a tough sports stand,
Speaker 1: tough sports. It's nice Dan because Dan just doesn't want
Speaker 1: another team taking that number one pick away from the Jets.
Speaker 1: So it's you know, whenever you can get a win
Speaker 1: in there for you. I mean, they were never going
Speaker 1: to be that's a one in fifteen team, the Falcons.
Speaker 1: I don't I never thought of him as a real
Speaker 1: risk in that realm um, all right, I'm up. The
Speaker 1: Chiefs Broncos still there. Yeah, I didn't want another late
Speaker 1: afternoon game distracting me from Look at that. What a
Speaker 1: value add for the old juser and the biggest of
Speaker 1: all spots Chiefs at Broncos. Uh Yeah, sign me up
Speaker 1: for Patrick Mahomes on a Sunday and I get to
Speaker 1: really watch closely this Denver Bronco team that the scientists
Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal continue to salivate over as
Speaker 1: a team. It's far better than their record indicates. And
Speaker 1: they're under the radar. I'm not saying they're not. I
Speaker 1: trust you guys, you're the scientists. Um So I just
Speaker 1: wanna watch them against the top team like the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are and see if they can hang uh in this game,
Speaker 1: because if they do, you guys are absolutely right and
Speaker 1: um uh that's fun to me. So to see how
Speaker 1: does this defense contain or attempt to contain Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Levyan Bell I assume is going to be in the
Speaker 1: mix and some capacity for the Chiefs, which is very
Speaker 1: interesting because uh, Clyde Edwards Hilaire played so well on
Speaker 1: Monday night. Uh and they even got a good play
Speaker 1: from their backup running back blanking on his name the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: B Thompson. Yeah, yeah, he he had a touchdown Darryl
Speaker 1: Williams and he ran the ball well. So you have
Speaker 1: a backfield that was starting to gel and now you
Speaker 1: bring in Levy on how how does he work into
Speaker 1: the mix. So I'm interested to see that and I
Speaker 1: want to see if the Broncos are for real, as
Speaker 1: you know, a team that's better than people realize. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna test mahomes as patients and Andy Reid's
Speaker 1: patients and their frustration level with all these teams approaching
Speaker 1: them the same way, because the Broncos are set up
Speaker 1: in a very similar way to me defensively as the Patriots,
Speaker 1: the Raider and the Bills in terms of that they
Speaker 1: can play coverage, that they're really smart in the back end,
Speaker 1: that they can let you run, except they're better at
Speaker 1: doing that, like they do it every week. And and
Speaker 1: the reason I'm so high on them, Dan is because
Speaker 1: they're so well coached. They're a little thin on talent defensively,
Speaker 1: but Bradley Chubb's playing like a superstar and Fangio co
Speaker 1: coaches up that secondary really well and they're they're they're
Speaker 1: sixth in D v O A. And where I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, but where the excitement comes from is the
Speaker 1: playmakers on offense. I thought Drew Lock played pretty well
Speaker 1: last week. Um those two interceptions were unique. One was
Speaker 1: a miscommunication, the other was an incredible play by the Patriots.
Speaker 1: And he made a lot of good throws that players
Speaker 1: didn't come down with. And maybe it's because I'm a
Speaker 1: Patriots fan with a bunch of guys that have no
Speaker 1: juice to watch on offense. And you look at the Broncos.
Speaker 1: You add Philip Lindsay back in the mix, juice, You
Speaker 1: add this rookie tight end Albert Oh. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to say his name. He's got a lot of juice.
Speaker 1: You bring Cambler this week, love his route running juice.
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy juice, Melvin Gordon's coming back juice juice. You
Speaker 1: know it's like no a fan might be back this week.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of offensive speed. They remind me of
Speaker 1: the Chiefs a little bit. Now. They don't have Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: but poor man, I'm just saying in terms of their
Speaker 1: team speed and the guys around them, a young group.
Speaker 1: They're fun. I love the Broncos in this game. To
Speaker 1: keep it close. You are you are you saying Greg
Speaker 1: that the Denver Broncos are in fact the team that
Speaker 1: is truly younger. They are, They're gonna it's a tough
Speaker 1: spot the Chiefs on a short week UH Division opponent
Speaker 1: going to the altitude. I think it's a tough spot.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm totally wrong now, I think, Greg. I I
Speaker 1: think watching that Patriots game, and I know that the
Speaker 1: Patriots line was banged up, but like Anthony Chikolo created
Speaker 1: total havoc, I mean Bradley Chubb created total havoc. The
Speaker 1: defense is for real, and I mean they're they're obviously,
Speaker 1: um exceedingly well coached. I think they can cause a
Speaker 1: problem for Kansas City. And I love all the offensive
Speaker 1: parts too. I Drew Lock if anything is he's aggressive.
Speaker 1: He is willing to whip the ball down field into
Speaker 1: double coverage and take chances. He'll pay for it sometimes,
Speaker 1: and I'm not convinced he's the guy that's gonna be
Speaker 1: able to kind of stir the mix here and get
Speaker 1: all these guys like to produce. But I don't hate him.
Speaker 1: This this offense getting healthy is kind of scary, and
Speaker 1: they kind of remind me like of the charges a
Speaker 1: little bit where it's like, I don't care what the
Speaker 1: record is right now, they could go on a little
Speaker 1: bit of a run because they don't have like they
Speaker 1: their their defense is one of the better around, and
Speaker 1: their offense is like we're just waiting for them to
Speaker 1: kind of grow into what they are, and it could
Speaker 1: be pretty terrible. You can't kill him for losing games
Speaker 1: with drifts call and most of the weapons at you
Speaker 1: just can't. It was just bad luck. And and unlike
Speaker 1: some teams, they're getting those weapons back. I know. I
Speaker 1: Dan doesn't like this um trend here though, or this
Speaker 1: take by the scientists, because he doesn't he wants John
Speaker 1: Elway to go down and infamy good look good. I
Speaker 1: don't have any reason to I am not like a
Speaker 1: Browns fan. What did John Elway do to me? Well,
Speaker 1: he did get me in the title game, that's true.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where it's all stemming from. But Anthony Chiccolo
Speaker 1: male Jiggolo is a pretty good nickname for somebody that
Speaker 1: is good. Better than use car lot. I mean, just
Speaker 1: if you're trying to compliment Derek Carr, I would just say, well,
Speaker 1: that's not him, that's not his nickname. That's just the
Speaker 1: where it just sounds. It sounds too it works too
Speaker 1: well for you somehow, you know, right, just a little
Speaker 1: low rent. But I got Drew Lock on Twitter on
Speaker 1: Sunday after those two picks, which I know the last
Speaker 1: thing anyone on Twitter wants to do is ever to
Speaker 1: say Drew Lock failed, but um it was. They were
Speaker 1: ill advised throws at that stage of the game, and
Speaker 1: it almost cost them what should have been a certain
Speaker 1: win against the Patriots. I mean, one was like the
Speaker 1: most amazing catch Jonathan Jones. I'm not going to kill
Speaker 1: him on I mean, I know, I know that's how
Speaker 1: it works with this guy. But that's fine. I will say.
Speaker 1: Bencos fans got annoyed with me, and then another Broncos
Speaker 1: fan sent me a video of three bad drops by
Speaker 1: that Denver playmaking group that should have been big throws completed,
Speaker 1: including touchdowns four locks. So the numbers didn't necessarily reflect
Speaker 1: the way he played in that game. So I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see how he plays. I don't root against Drew Lock.
Speaker 1: That's always been misconstrued. I don't really root against John Alway.
Speaker 1: It's just more like I don't love when certain figures
Speaker 1: just get the benefit of the doubt repeatedly, and which
Speaker 1: is he's had a little bit of a pass. He's
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a pass for the post era.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, um, but that's a great game. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to watching it and then I will it
Speaker 1: snakes to the Zooster to close it out and Buffalo
Speaker 1: at yets. Okay, this is good. I'm fine. I want
Speaker 1: to see how the Bills look. I want to see
Speaker 1: how Josh Allen looks after two losses. And I believe
Speaker 1: it was six days tough, you know, tough situation there
Speaker 1: for the Bills, schedule wise, but they did not come
Speaker 1: out of it well, going four O four and two
Speaker 1: UM against quality opponents. And it it does put a
Speaker 1: seed of doubt in your mind about the Bills, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I'm not in a panic about Buffalo, and
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody else should be. It's a long season.
Speaker 1: There are peaks and valleys. They've hit a valley and
Speaker 1: now it just so happens that they get the worst
Speaker 1: team in football in week seven to get right. This
Speaker 1: is a classic get right game for the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 1: who can kind of get brush themselves off and and
Speaker 1: Josh Allen can go nuts with four total yards of
Speaker 1: offense and the defense which has been hemorrhaging yards. Uh,
Speaker 1: perhaps they can continue to do what the Dolphins did
Speaker 1: to the Jets, which was shut them out. Uh. Sam
Speaker 1: Donald returned to practice this week for New York. At
Speaker 1: the time of the recording, we're not sure where he's
Speaker 1: at um in terms of availability, but that is progress
Speaker 1: in that direction. So this is a very different offense
Speaker 1: for the Jets if Nonold's playing, because Joe Flacco quite frankly,
Speaker 1: uh I can't play the guitar. You know, frankly, how
Speaker 1: much do we really need to talk about the Jets?
Speaker 1: I mean that if you watch if you watch the
Speaker 1: Bills Jets game though in Week one, and it feels
Speaker 1: like a long time ago, it's actually the only Jets
Speaker 1: game of the season where in the second half they
Speaker 1: had a possession where they were in the game. So
Speaker 1: you would think this is a huge mismatch, and it is.
Speaker 1: The Bill should blow them out, But the Jets played
Speaker 1: the Bills closer than they've played anyone else. And uh,
Speaker 1: I do think you look at the Jets defensively, they're
Speaker 1: gonna send the house blitzing Josh Allen because Josh Allen
Speaker 1: did not handle the blitz well uh last week or
Speaker 1: really against the Titans either, and so whether I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's the book out on him, but he
Speaker 1: got a little frazzled. And that'll be the Jets approach
Speaker 1: at least see if they get some interesting Why are
Speaker 1: you still talking about the Jets? If you said that,
Speaker 1: we don't need to talk about the Jets anymore. We
Speaker 1: lost you and I just had to start, you know,
Speaker 1: right exactly, you know, couched within that that bad loss
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs, there was this one drive and it
Speaker 1: doesn't look particularly impressive on paper by Buffalo. This third
Speaker 1: team play fifty one yard drive that I thought showed
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's um incredible toughness. He had a couple of
Speaker 1: rumbles um in that game and on that drive particularly
Speaker 1: that just this is this to me is one of
Speaker 1: the more fun to watch dudes who's around. Uh. Diggs
Speaker 1: made an incredible grab on that for the touchdown, and
Speaker 1: I just think, look at this team. You lost to
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. They're gonna get back on track. There are
Speaker 1: real concerns about the defense because that was not a
Speaker 1: one week situation. I don't know how to scout teams
Speaker 1: when they play the Jets. I mean, the Jets are
Speaker 1: clearly in fire sale mill. They traded away Level, they
Speaker 1: released Lembell, They traded Jordan Willis to the forty Niners.
Speaker 1: Steve McClendon was traded Steve McClendon was traded, uh to
Speaker 1: the He was traded to the Bucks. And instead of
Speaker 1: like flying, he got in his car are that night
Speaker 1: in drove to Florida. That is instructive to me on
Speaker 1: how quickly he wanted out of New York. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know, more power to than I hope the rebuild works.
Speaker 1: Um I I what the thing? I don't like Dan
Speaker 1: and I don't want to hang on this river this
Speaker 1: so we are talking about the Jets. Then No, but
Speaker 1: three months from now, Jets fans that like super Supported,
Speaker 1: like Sam Donald, are going to drop him by the
Speaker 1: side of the road to get Trevor Lawrence. Like I
Speaker 1: just like we say, we have a lot of time
Speaker 1: to watch him play this year too, which I think
Speaker 1: is I just want to see him put in a
Speaker 1: position to show us who he is and like that's
Speaker 1: just like, what's that's what Jets fans have been waiting
Speaker 1: for for three years and they've never had that opportunity.
Speaker 1: And what's more likely going to happen is it's gonna
Speaker 1: not happen this year, and then you're gonna be in
Speaker 1: a situation. Mark put yourself in the in the shoes
Speaker 1: of Jets management. Are you going to stick with darn
Speaker 1: Old off three years of inconsistent play and some injuries? Uh,
Speaker 1: and knowing you have to give him a second contract?
Speaker 1: Or are you gonna have the number and overall pick
Speaker 1: and take this prospect that people think has Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame feeling. I get it. It's just like it's just
Speaker 1: pretty bad. It's bad. But that's that's where it is
Speaker 1: right now for this organization. All Right, Josh Allen, you Greg,
Speaker 1: you've you know, famously been up and down with Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: Do you think, hey, by the way, Josh Allen, give
Speaker 1: me a break. We all like it's like, oh, everyone
Speaker 1: fill out the apology form and uh that like the
Speaker 1: one week where we're like, hey, we we gotta take
Speaker 1: that all this is a brand new Josh Allen. And
Speaker 1: then like the last two weeks he's averaging four point
Speaker 1: eight yards per attempt. I mean, give me a break, Josh,
Speaker 1: I do, and I don't. I actually don't think he's
Speaker 1: been as bad as the numbers show the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. I'm with Mark, he's so tough to take down,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't been as inaccurate as those numbers show.
Speaker 1: I'm not that worried. But I also thought the m
Speaker 1: v P talk was out um was was premature, and
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be as consistent until proven
Speaker 1: otherwise as as a true top five or six type quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not that worried about the last
Speaker 1: two weeks. You like it better when he's Josh Fallon,
Speaker 1: yes or no? I mean, I like that name. That
Speaker 1: was fun It is funny, like none of none of
Speaker 1: the Bills fans like are now reapologizing back or asking
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, no, that that will not come quickly.
Speaker 1: Al Right, before we say goodbye, I want to get
Speaker 1: let's get Ricky Hollywood in here, our wonderful producer who,
Speaker 1: first of all, congratulations, you got off the schneide, the
Speaker 1: lock Schneide. You fearlessly locked up the team playing the
Speaker 1: Jets in Week six, The Dolphins responded with the twenty
Speaker 1: four to nil victory. We have instituted a new rule
Speaker 1: that is directly connected to your pick this week, Greg,
Speaker 1: do you want to let the list? Yeah, you're no
Speaker 1: longer allowed to pick Jet. No one that's that's fair
Speaker 1: can't do that. You were the only one that did it,
Speaker 1: uh this year. And you know, we have certain rules
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, whether a team is you know,
Speaker 1: favored by a certain amount, broken those rules. You've broken
Speaker 1: him as the times you've got them wrong, even when
Speaker 1: you broke the rules. So we've we have learned when
Speaker 1: you're losing in sports, you're you're someone that will start
Speaker 1: breaking the rules. As Erica furiously scribbles out Bills as
Speaker 1: her lock of the week, what do you got ready?
Speaker 1: How about this? Okay, you guys forgot to mention this,
Speaker 1: and maybe you did mention and I wasn't listening. But
Speaker 1: you know, John Gruden was the coach of the Raiders,
Speaker 1: then he's the coach of the Bucks. He wins a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with them, then they fire him after a
Speaker 1: four game losing takes ten years off. Gruden goes back
Speaker 1: to the Raiders. Okay, he will be the first coach
Speaker 1: in history. He's gonna make NFL history, facing a team
Speaker 1: that he previously won a Super Bowl with as a
Speaker 1: head coach. So I have a feeling that this is
Speaker 1: not just a Week seven game for him. This is
Speaker 1: something even more. It's a super Bowl. I think, do
Speaker 1: we have a lock off? Yeah? I think he's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be pulling off all the stops.
Speaker 1: This game means more to him than I think other games.
Speaker 1: And yes it's Tom Brady, Yes this offense is on fire,
Speaker 1: but I think John Gruden is up this whole week,
Speaker 1: can't do it prepping for this game. And this isn't
Speaker 1: the Jets, this is the Oakland Raiders, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lock him up. Veas did move to Las Vegas just
Speaker 1: to let you know, but I appreciate the lock here.
Speaker 1: That's you guys. Don't even give me one little thing.
Speaker 1: That's that's smart, Ricky. It's a lock off the bucks earlier,
Speaker 1: and you know you're one in five. You're five games
Speaker 1: back right now. The only way to come back is
Speaker 1: me to get some wrong in you, to get some right.
Speaker 1: So that that's a it's a smart way to attack me.
Speaker 1: And think about this, Ricky, think about this, Greg This
Speaker 1: means a lot to Greg. He doesn't like to let
Speaker 1: it be known because he likes to pretend nothing really matters.
Speaker 1: It doesn't I want to get ready. Part of his
Speaker 1: part of his salary at the NFL is he's the
Speaker 1: guy who picks the games. So he picked the bucks
Speaker 1: and now locked them up. For you to now come
Speaker 1: in potentially win a lock off would absolutely crush him.
Speaker 1: And that's that's exciting for you. I know, and Erica,
Speaker 1: if you, I'm ecstatic if you not only you know,
Speaker 1: if you would have to start here by knocking off Greig,
Speaker 1: but if you were to come back in classic comeback
Speaker 1: fashion and win this entire thing, I will give you
Speaker 1: my child Culton. I will give him to you. I
Speaker 1: think you're like two weeks from being mathematically eliminated, but
Speaker 1: they would be impressive. All I'm saying is, you guys
Speaker 1: are giving me crop for locking up. Yeah, do you want?
Speaker 1: You want a seven year old boy? Yeah? Sure, he's
Speaker 1: he's had all of his shots. He's great. Yeah he's no,
Speaker 1: he's healthy, he's all caught up with his vaccines and everything. Okay, good,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll caught up. Good stuff, fun stuff. Enjoyed
Speaker 1: it well tonight Greg and a mystery. Who who are
Speaker 1: you going to do this show with? Tonight, Greg, We're
Speaker 1: gonna have a new guest, Stephen Ruise from USA Today
Speaker 1: for the Winning him in give him a shot. All right,
Speaker 1: good Greg and Stephen Ruise from for the Win. We'll
Speaker 1: recap Thursday night football. We'll be back Sunday recapping every
Speaker 1: game we just previewed here, So make sure you come
Speaker 1: back and enjoy the flagship show. All right, Dan Hands
Speaker 1: is signing off for Ricky Hollywood, the Quiet Storm, the
Speaker 1: Old Boss, and everyone else behind the scenes. Thank you.
Speaker 1: It's always Bill. Sunday m