WEBVTT - The Draymond Green Show - Tom Izzo 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:08.200 The volume. The draymond green show is presented by a 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.400 Fan Duel Sports Book. There's no better place to bet 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:16.079 the action than on Fanduel sports book during the football season. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.880 It's easy to use, it's safe and secure. You get 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.000 payouts and as fast as two hours. There's so many 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.680 bet types. My favorite same game parlay bets. There's live betting, 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:32.760 player props, futures. If you're new, just download the fanduel 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.199 sports book APP to get started now. Sign Up. Please 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:42.360 use the PROMODE CODE COLUMN C O L I. An 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:52.199 Fan Duel Sports Book makes it easy. What's up everybody? 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.760 Welcome back to the draymond bringing show. As you can see, 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.040 I'm in the same place that I was in last week. 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.760 This is part two of our series. What what brought 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:03.920 me back here to Michigan State was obviously the hall 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.480 of fame, but whether the hall of fame happened or not, 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.520 I was coming back anyway. Last year Travis Walden and 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.120 Austin Thornton started an incredible thing here at Michigan State 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.400 and it's our Michigan State Ground Week. And what that 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.920 is is, you know, we come in for a few days, 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.240 we bring all the pros back, we bring everybody back. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.600 It's a basketball reunion for not only the pros but 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:32.559 guys who played in this in this program Um, for 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.440 men and women that worked in this program it's an 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.119 opportunity for all of us to come back, and so 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.759 I would be here anyway. Nonetheless, the Hall of fame 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.600 did happen and it's something that I'm so thankful for. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:50.360 Uh is such an incredible honor. But I'm excited as 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:54.080 hell about this next interview because without this guy there 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.840 is no hall of fame. Without this guy, there is 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.440 no podcast that you care about, because I would never 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:05.360 have the platform that I have and been afforded with 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.480 if it wasn't for this man sitting to my right. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.640 Hall of Famer, and if you he was a hall 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:16.480 of Famer in my book before he became a hall 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:22.959 of Famer. Nonetheless, he is national champion Guy who's Lad 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:29.240 so many kids, young guys, young men like myself, to 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.400 live out their dream, and it's one thing that would 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.320 stick with me forever. He would always say to me, 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:40.160 I'm living my dream. My only thing that I want 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.840 for I've been successful enough, I've been lucky enough to 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.399 live my dream. I just want to see you live 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.440 your dream, and that's such a rare thing, because people 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.720 get ahead and they don't really look out for for 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.040 those behind them. They don't really care to see you grow. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.200 They always want to see you grow, but never bigger 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:05.799 than them, and it's so it's such the opposite with 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.359 this guy to my right. It's my coach, but more 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.080 than the coach, he's a father figure to me. He's 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.280 a friend to me and you know, I think that's 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:16.960 one thing that stuck with me. As soon as I 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.080 finished playing, he said, Hey, man, I'm no longer your coach, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.800 I cannot really really be your friend, and he's still 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.360 by that at times that I would go through my 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:29.520 ship with with with my team, I'll get in trouble. 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.520 First person to Bob called, first person that Steve called, 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.800 is this man to my right. I'm honored and it's 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.880 a pleasure. Coaches, though, thank you for coming on the show, draymond. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.400 That is as well said as you could say it, 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.720 but it's kind of interesting. I wouldn't be in the 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.880 hall of fame without you. You know, it was you guys, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:54.280 it was my teen Um players. Coaches get credit, coaches 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.600 get blamed, but players play the game. You know, and 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.000 I've said a million times. I'm so happy that you remember, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.119 but a couple of those things, because it is important 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.480 to me that you, uh, you get to live your dream, 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:09.840 because you're gonna find out what your own kids you 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.280 found out, what your own team you found out what 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.880 the players you followed here and helped us recruit that Um, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.599 sometimes it's almost more fun to watch other people following 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.520 your footsteps and do get to live their dream. And 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.600 I've said it, you quoted it. I believe it. I 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.360 think you believe it. Now that you have kids and 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.599 all the things, you're gonna even see it even more, 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:37.440 no doubt. So take take let's let's let's let's go 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.040 back a little bit. Take me on this journey. Um, 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.720 you come to Michigan state as a graduate assistant. Your 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.960 work what two or three years as a graduate assistant, 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.920 you leave for Tulsa. That was short lived. Taken me 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.360 on that journey. Well, I was. I first of all, 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.160 I came here as a Grad assistant at twenty six, 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.280 but you're supposed to do that at two. But I 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.760 was up in a a little different up there and 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.760 I couldn't get out of there. So I kept begging 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.880 judd and I said I'll come as a g A. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.920 said you're overqualified. I said I just want a chance, 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.600 and so I was a three year g a. As 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.640 you know, they're two year G A. So it took 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.919 me a little longer. That's why I believe in process. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.160 But I did and I was about to get out 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:21.480 of it. I was going to take a job at 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.000 Michigan Tech University Division to school up in the U 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.120 P H. It was out of money. I didn't make 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.320 any money as a G A and I got a 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.440 chance to get a job at the University of Tulsa. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:37.000 I went there for six weeks and Mike Dean left here. 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.400 That the number one guy and jed heard me back 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.360 and that's where my journey really started. I guess you know. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.080 I was thirty years old. I had the break of 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:51.440 a lifetime. Then had another break when jed retired, and 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:59.080 the rest is history, history. It is history Um for you. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.960 When you look over the program, Judd had had success, 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:08.520 Judd had magic. Obviously you were a part of that Um, 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.520 and then the success kind of tell spike. It went 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.960 down a little bit. Then Smitty came in and Smitty 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:20.880 brought the program back to relevance but lost in the 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.680 elite eight and then you take over to take over 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.560 the program where it's not in the best space. What 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.279 was it for you that helped you turn that corner 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:36.440 and ultimately build what we know Michigan State is today? Well, 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.200 you know, it's funny because when I came back from 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.280 Tulsa I went down to Detroit. Um they didn't recruit 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.839 the state very much. And here I'm from the up 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.839 you know, and not a very diverse area. And yet basketball, 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:53.919 as we know, is uh higher percentage of African American 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.360 players and kids from the inner city. So I went 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.280 down to look at a kid named Eric Wilson who 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.080 ended up a set and forder. went to Minnesota and 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.279 I saw the skinny little guy over there and it 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.640 was Steve Smith. I came back, I told Jed, I said, Hey, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.960 it's a guy down there, man, he's six four or five, 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.680 he's skinny but he's got great skills. And Jed went 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.800 down there. He found in love with Steve and we 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:20.160 recruited Steve. And that was in six right after we 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.880 lost Scott skiles, Sam Vincent, Kevin Wills, really good players, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.640 all pros, but we didn't have great teams and back when. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.640 You know, listening to you and Mateen Talk Um, leadership 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.120 is a big key, you know. And Uh, you don't 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.960 have leadership, you don't have anything. You know, likership doesn't 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.240 make it. It's leadership that makes it. It's not what 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.520 everybody likes you, and that's why it's been so much 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.920 fun to watch your career. Battle with a few teammates, 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.280 battles with a few coaches. Me and you had some 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:54.960 credible halftimes, incredible time outs, and yet man always knew 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:58.040 the same thing you guys talked about when he was 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.880 important to you. And so when I the job over, 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.320 Um got Steve Smith when I was an assistant and 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.040 it just made me realize how important state is. And 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.080 then the Fab five came a little after that at Michigan, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.560 and uh, I just said, when I get this job, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.160 I'm gonna win with in state players. You gotta put 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.640 a fence around your area, you know, and our area 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.360 was that I could get kids up as freshman and Sophomores, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.240 I could get him the football games, you know, I 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.920 could get to see him more often. So I thought 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.720 being within this three four hour radius was very important 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.720 and believe it or not, nine of my career. That's 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.640 what I've done. And then, you know, and I went 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.400 to flint to look at Morris Peterson. He wasn't ranked 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.120 in the top two hundred, and Tonio Smith. He had 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.440 brothers that played football. He wasn't really ranked, but I 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.600 thought I had to get my feet in and those guys, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.360 especially Antonio, brought toughness. Plus I knew his best friend 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.920 was matine. So I was recruiting for the future president. 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.920 And then when we landed him, Um, you know, it 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.400 really started to take off. And then flint and then Saginaw. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.640 You know, as you're a guy, Jay rich, and yourself, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.240 and we had other guys and we missed it on 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.800 a few guys, but it was special and and and 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.400 you know what I mean. Think about MOA's mother. She 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.400 was insane. Your mom, she was insane, you know, but 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.560 they were like all in. I gotta stand around here. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.240 There's no such thing as being half pregnant. Okay. Well, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.520 I love guys that are all in, and you guys were, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.000 your families were. It didn't mean that we didn't have problems, 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.480 and that's what I've you know, I listened to you 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.600 guys talk about me, but I listened to you guys too, 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.720 and I don't think anybody realizes that I wouldn't be 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.280 half as good. I mean, I fought what the team morning, 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.280 noon and night. So it was easier dealing with you 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.240 because I fought with him morning, noon and night. And 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.680 yet I did promise him we'd win a championship and 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.680 we stood on that floor and and we said we 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.200 did it, and he's right. You know, nobody believed it. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.280 Then you came along. You know, you think about leaders. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.080 You had magic Johnson in the late seventies, then you 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.920 had Steve Smith in the late eighties, okay, and then 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.680 you had the uh, you know, really the cleaves, in 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:22.000 the late nineties, and then you in the late you know, 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.480 Travis Walton and you. We always had a running mate. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.600 Guys did. It was you and Trav in the two 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.560 thousand and nine ten elevens, you know, and then Denzel 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.000 did a pretty good job. So you know, you you 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.880 look at it, but it's scary because of all those 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.600 years I can only name four or five guys. That's 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.079 how special you guys are and how few there are 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:49.000 of you that are good enough to be respected but 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.960 strong enough to use your platform. No doubt, no doubt. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:11:00.719 I appreciate that. Um for you, uh way, coach keeps 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.120 saying the U P for you. None Michigans. That's the 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:08.760 upper peninsula of Michigan. For you, are you per um 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:14.080 to become who you've become? And Be Right, there's coach K, 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:21.640 there's Roy Williams, there's Dean Smith, there's legends and there's 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:27.600 you with those legends. How how does that feel like? 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:33.000 I haven't, I haven't reached a pinnacle of what I do. 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:39.120 So few people get to really reach the pinnacle, the top, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.200 the very top, of what they do, and you've done that, 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.760 Mr March, all the all the magic that you've created 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.720 in March. How does that feel like to just be 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:56.440 one of them, guys? Well, it feels humbling and it 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.960 feels I appreciate that. It wouldn't been down without you. Guys. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.240 You know I am not stupid. I mean you, you 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.600 last in this because you're not dumb. And better players 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.160 make you a better coach. So I know Steve Kerr 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.600 thinks that because we've had many talks about you. And 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:16.760 better players doesn't always mean the greatest player, it means 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.480 the greatest winner. You know when when they came calling 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:23.000 about you. Oh He's too small, oh he's too this, 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.600 oh he doesn't shoot it well enough. You know what, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.240 I hate to tell you this. I said, you're right, 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.560 you're right, you're right. Now, he's not great, you're right, 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.400 not a great defender. On with with the quickness. You're right. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.760 Well then, what does he do? Why should I draft him? 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.200 He wins, I said. As a freshman he didn't play 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.800 a ton and by the end he was leading us 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.000 to the final four because in winning time he played 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.400 and in winning time he played. I'll never forget one 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.720 of my favorite games with you. Um We went to 0:12:54.760 --> 0:13:00.520 Gonzaga and UH Jud heathcote lived there and he said, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.320 why are you playing in the Kennel? Why don't you 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.640 play down town? Nobody wins in the Kennel. And you remember. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.120 It was crazy and I think you had thirty six 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.439 you hit about five threes. You did so many things 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.160 and we won by a couple and you have always 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.320 done what it takes to win. We make tapes of 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.480 this guy on setting screens, on getting rebounds, on playing 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.440 offside defense, does all the little things. You know, not 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.800 steph curry shooting a hundred threes, not clay Thompson, not 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.880 Kevin Durant, not Lebron James, doing what they do. It's 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.800 called the dirty work, but dirty work, if you're a coach, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.200 are the guys that win for you. And that's why 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:47.840 so many great players haven't won four NBA Championships, you know. 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.720 And and if a REF would have made a good call, 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.880 you would have won a national championship. That is a fact. 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.079 I got the I got the fucking tape and I 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.680 don't say that much on TV, so sorry, but whatever, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.520 but I do and uh, you know, it hits you 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.040 in the arms with six seconds left or down one, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.280 we lose the game and we would have beat Duke 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.880 that in the championship game and you would have had 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.320 your national championship there. You would have had your one 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.800 at the warriors. You would have to one in the 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.120 Olympics and but your yours is going to be complete 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.800 when you get in the hall of fame, Not Michigan States, 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.400 but the national one that's around the corner after a 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.200 few more championships. Yes, sir, no, I appreciate it and 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.280 obviously that's the goal, Um, that that I am chasing. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.240 Number One, you look you look as great as I've 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.720 seen you look and ten years like. You just look 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:47.520 like you're not stressed anymore. You look like you're rejuvenated. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.560 You look happy, which makes me happy because I worry 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.800 about you sometimes. I know how much ship you take on, 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:59.840 and there was a period four or five years ago, 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.160 but they also tried to leave you for dead and 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.200 they tried to write you off and lump you into 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.280 something that had absolutely nothing to do with you. And 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:17.400 one of the things that I love and respect about 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.280 you is, no matter what, whether it's your ship, whether 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.080 it's my ship Um, whether it's someone else's ship that 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.480 they just try to throw on you because you are 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:30.080 the big name, because your time is though, you stand, 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:34.560 tintoes down and you still tintoes down and you still 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.040 here and you made it through that. But what did 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.800 going through that do for you coming out on the 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.720 other side? I know it was hell going through it 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.160 for you, but coming out on the other side of it, 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.280 what did going through what you went through do for 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.680 you and got you into place that you're in today? Well, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.480 somebody very seldom talk about but I'm with you. I'm 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.440 talking about it. It's it was one of the hardest 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.120 things I ever went through and it was hard for 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.440 some of the people went through some of the things 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.800 they had to go through. But never been in that 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:10.280 position before and I I did what you guys, I 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.800 hear you guys time. I believed in myself. I knew 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:17.280 what I had. I knew there were very few, thank God, 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.040 for some of you that some of my best friends, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.160 some of my best friends in the media. I mean 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:26.360 they thrown me to the wolves and I resented that. 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.880 It's why I have a greater appreciation for what you 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.200 guys do every day. But I hung in there and 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.680 I believed in what I thought was right and I 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.800 did the best I could and it wasn't easy. There 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.200 was no blueprint for it, Um, but I did hang 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.600 in there and and and I went through even a 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.880 tough time. You know, we won three big ten championships, 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:48.960 went to a final four. But even when you had 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.040 your Jersey retire, remember your whole team came back, your coaches, 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.320 your owner, and we embarrassed ourselves against Duke and you 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.040 came into my office at about eleven thirty that night 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.000 after my meeting and sat down and said, you know, 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.600 you told me some things. You didn't think I was 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.720 doing right, and you know, people will never appreciate that 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.240 because I'm the old man, you're the young kid and 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.639 we're supposed to bill tell you what you do wrong, 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.400 but I think I don't. I'm not your coach, no more. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:23.440 Definitely I am your friend. You treat me like a friend. 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.880 I don't hope I treat you like a friend if 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.479 I think you're doing something that's gonna hurt you. I 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.320 think I got the courage to tell you that night 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.439 in one of my toughest losses at home in the 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.480 history of my program. I mean you went at me 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.199 a little bit and one of the things you know, 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.000 we're gonna get younger. We gotta do this, we gotta 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:47.520 do that. And, as you noticed, I listened and Um, 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.560 and I feel comfortable about that, and I I listened 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.240 and I, you know, learned to listen. Listen to learn 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.720 is what we use around here, and I think I 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.720 did listen to learn and I appreciate it and that's 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:03.080 why I know that they used the Kleaves has dismissed. 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.680 There's certain guys, not a million of them, a lot 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.399 of good guys that I love. Not a million guys. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.040 Will tell me what I don't want to hear. I 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.480 don't think there's a million guys anymore that tell players 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.560 what they don't want to hear. And Uh, but when 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.840 you do it, that's real love. That is real love. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.280 When I speak of rejuvenation, I think it's it's it's 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.199 showing on your face, but where it's definitely showing is 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.760 in the recruiting classes that you started to pull in again, Um, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:41.600 and I think to me, I think that's because you're 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.560 just all you. You're back all in, like you've you've 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:50.240 teetered with retirement for a few years now. I don't 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.919 hear you talk about it at all anymore. Do you 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.760 think that's been the key, until you getting back into 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.159 on the recruiting trail and bringing in the classes? Now 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.080 that we're bringing in like we're starting to bring in 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.800 top ten classes again, do you do you contribute some 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.280 of that to your rejuvenation and just feeling like no, 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.080 I'm I'm in this thing like I don't even I 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.119 don't even ask you anymore, coach, how much long are 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:14.720 you gonna do it, because I feel like at this 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.520 point now you're just gonna do it till you die. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:20.840 Don't you die on us. I need you so Um, like, 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.959 how has that really had? Did that? I think? I 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.639 think it was the eighteen season when we had jaren 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.159 and miles and we really had a good team. I 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.639 mean we were thirty, thirty one and four or five, 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:35.639 and maybe we had a good team and we're playing 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.280 the first round and that Troit. But it was also 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:42.000 the time of my darkest moments, when I was going 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.920 through those things that our whole university and everybody was 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.639 going through. And that game ended at beat by Syracuse, 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.000 by one, and the game ended and I thought that 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.359 team was good enough to win a national championship and 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.040 I kind of felt relieved I didn't have to go 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.399 to another press conference, I didn't have to answer things, 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:02.639 and I lived at that for a while. Then I 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.080 thought what a WHIMP, you know, like, what am I doing? 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.720 You know, and and that started the process, you know. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.760 And then, you know, a lout of nights we had 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.359 talks and and you know, Mattina and I had talks 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.720 and you just kind of realize, and I love what 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:22.479 you guys were talking about when I heard you, is that, Um, 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.919 only certain kind of people are built for certain kind 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.040 of things, and I do think I'm one of those 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:32.160 guys that want to take on problems and help out 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.160 and make others better. You know, he said great players 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.520 make other players better. I don't think great players do. 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.920 I think those are the elite players. Great players play great, 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.760 but elite players make other guys that aren't that good better. 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.520 That's what I watched. You do you know everybody. You 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.399 Know How many times you score over ten points, but 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:58.000 the consistency and the way you you know, I always 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.560 joke with people, and I told step this at your wedding, 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:05.520 that Um, you know the Lineman, the great running backs, 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.720 they always buy the Lineman a rolex or something when 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.200 they have a thousand yards season. You know, uh, those 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.760 guys better buy you something. A number of screens and 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:20.200 a number of passes, you said that lead to their baskets. 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:22.880 They better buy they better buy you a house, because 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.520 they make more money than those, than those running backs. 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:30.240 They do a lot more money than running backs. So 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.040 now that I did say that, how much longer do 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.720 you want to coach? You know, I know one thing 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:38.040 I'm not gonna do. I've watched some guys Um, stay 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.120 a year or two too long. You know, Um, I'm 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.119 not into anything, but the day that I feel like 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.680 I'm I don't want to take red eyes, I don't 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:49.080 want to go out recruiting, I don't want to have 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.400 meetings in my office like some of the ones we had. 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.760 I'm gone. I mean I I and if I'm not, 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:56.800 I know you'll tell me. I know Mo will tell me, 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.040 and nosty, you know, I got some guys that will 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.240 tell me. It's time, you know, but you are right. 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:08.000 I am rejuvenated. You know, right now the campus Um, 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.080 it's it's electric right now. You know, mal has done 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:14.520 an excellent job. We're putting seventy million into football. We 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.720 just put a bunch into hockey. We got cranes in 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.960 the sky again. We got students walking. You know, two 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.080 years of Covid two and a half years, we had 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.560 nobody walking around. I got an office with windows in 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.080 it so I can watch people walking. There's nobody walking. 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.640 So I'm like energized by that. You know, I love 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:34.320 the students, I love the place, and we have six 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.359 hundred and fifty thou living the Lums, and yet we 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:42.040 have guys like you. That being pride. You know, heard 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:45.680 more talk about Matt, you know, and Matt Calsey says 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.640 I'm gonna get all the guys from the championship team. 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.200 WE'RE gonna GO WATCH draymont. You know, I came out, 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:53.359 my wife and I for the first two games and 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.199 UH had fun out there, and then we went to 0:22:56.280 --> 0:23:00.000