WEBVTT - Five Things About the 2024 Masters with Trevor Immelman

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 1>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in a brid egg Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Egg, the dreaded Friday Friday, Frida Egg, fridagg bride egg Lie,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about ready to run off of the hump course.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to another edition of the Friday e Golf Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It is here, we are here. It is Masters Week.

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<v Speaker 2>This whole week I will be in augusta national. We

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<v Speaker 2>are so excited for the eighty eighth playing of the Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to have a ton of stuff going

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<v Speaker 2>on uh with at the b Dratti House live from

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<v Speaker 2>there as well. We will be on the rounds this

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<v Speaker 2>week with a couple of us there, and we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>pumping out content through the newsletter. We'll be putting up

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of website articles and then of course podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Between this podcast as well as the Shotgun Start, we

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<v Speaker 2>will have all of your master's needs covered. So to

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<v Speaker 2>get to the Masters, I want to call up one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite people to talk golf with, Trevor Emmlman.

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<v Speaker 2>Trevor is the lead analyst for CBS. He is also

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<v Speaker 2>a past champion of the Masters. So an absolute pleasure,

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<v Speaker 2>honor to talk with Trevor about the twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>Masters tournament. So we did our traditional five Things podcast

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<v Speaker 2>where each of us prepares kind of five things that

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<v Speaker 2>we're watching for the Masters. We had some overlap. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a great discussion. Trevor was as you'd expect, prepared

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<v Speaker 2>and really great in this format. So this I'm excited

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<v Speaker 2>for everybody to listen to this podcast, and just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot more social media content this year. We

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<v Speaker 2>have we'll have a photographer on the ground at the Masters,

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<v Speaker 2>and UH excited for that. That'll be a first time

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<v Speaker 2>for us having, you know, images that we can share

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<v Speaker 2>from from Augusta National. So before we get to Trevor Immelman,

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<v Speaker 2>And now to Trevor Immlman. Trevor, welcome back on. You

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<v Speaker 2>were nice enough to join us last year for the

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<v Speaker 2>same episode and excited to talk about the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four Masters. Here to kick things off, I would love

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<v Speaker 2>if you could take us back to your first Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>Where were you when you found out you were in

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters, and if you could just talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>first time around Augusta National, what you felt and what

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<v Speaker 2>stuck out to you about your first Masters.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Andy, first of all, it's also to join you

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<v Speaker 1>huge fan of the pod, and you know this time

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<v Speaker 1>of year you can probably if anybody has the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to watch this, you can see the huge smile on

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<v Speaker 1>my face. You may even be able to hear it

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<v Speaker 1>in my voice. Like this, this is the time of

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<v Speaker 1>the year that rarely gets me going leading up to

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<v Speaker 1>the first major, to the Masters. This event is meant

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<v Speaker 1>just so much to me in my life. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting you ask that question because I have so many

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<v Speaker 1>amazing memories and recollections from over the years. First time

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<v Speaker 1>I played actually was in nineteen ninety nine as an amateur.

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<v Speaker 1>So how I found out that I was qualified or

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<v Speaker 1>going to be invited was winning the pub Links at

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<v Speaker 1>Tory Pines and the year before this summer before in

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, so I had like this countdown period from

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<v Speaker 1>winning the pub Links to that first Master as an amateur,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a thrill. I was able to get

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<v Speaker 1>some invites on the South African Tour and the DP

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<v Speaker 1>World Tour back then the European Tour to try and

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<v Speaker 1>get some more experience under my belt playing at the

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<v Speaker 1>highest level. And you know, those months leading up was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun, trying to work on my game

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<v Speaker 1>back in South Africa and get things ready and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget. I played in the end of January. I

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<v Speaker 1>played in Dubai, the big tournament in Dubai on the

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<v Speaker 1>European Tour, and then the week after that the Middle

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<v Speaker 1>East Swing back then used to have Dubai and then

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<v Speaker 1>Qatar back to back, so I played those two as

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<v Speaker 1>an amateur, and then I actually flew from there to

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<v Speaker 1>Augusta to play my first practice round. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>now early February, and the excitement on this massive trip

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<v Speaker 1>and flight from the Middle East all the way to

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia was just like I could not wait. I couldn't sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't rest on the plane. I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get there. And I was fortunate enough to be hosted

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<v Speaker 1>by a member the Hample family, and I actually stayed,

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, in Butler Cabin for those couple

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<v Speaker 1>nights that I was there. And once again, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>once you get on site and you find out, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you're actually staying in Butler Cabin, the way I felt

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<v Speaker 1>about that, I mean, it's really it's hard to even describe,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, nineteen eighty six, when I was just six

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<v Speaker 1>years old, as the first Masters I've watched I watched

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<v Speaker 1>on TV back in South Africa, got permission from my

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<v Speaker 1>parents to stay up past midnight and watched it and

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<v Speaker 1>was totally enthralled. I mean, everybody that knows anything about

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<v Speaker 1>golf knows the nineteen eighty six Masters, and now here

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<v Speaker 1>I am as a whatever, nineteen year old kid staying

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<v Speaker 1>in Butler cabin about to play Augusta National for the

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<v Speaker 1>next two days. So got up early, hardly got any sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>played thirty six holes for two days in a row,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I had a couple months to get ready,

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<v Speaker 1>and then once I got to the tournament, it was just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kicked up a notch because now you're nervous,

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<v Speaker 1>you're anxious, you're trying to figure out how you can

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<v Speaker 1>make the cut.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember after you played those practice rounds of

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<v Speaker 2>two days of thirty six holes, what you took away

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<v Speaker 2>and you said you had a couple months to get ready,

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<v Speaker 2>what did you from your first time around there zero

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<v Speaker 2>in on what you needed to get ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, it's the elevation changes that absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>catch you off guard if you have not been there.

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<v Speaker 1>Look nowadays, and I'll say this because I worked for CBS, nowadays,

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<v Speaker 1>we do an amazing job really trying to and also

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<v Speaker 1>with the technologies that have improved from the eighties until

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<v Speaker 1>now in television to be able to show that undulation

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<v Speaker 1>a bit better and try and give viewers at home

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<v Speaker 1>bit more of a grasp of it. But when you

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<v Speaker 1>think back to the eighties and when really they're only

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<v Speaker 1>used to broadcast the second nine and you couldn't always

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<v Speaker 1>get a real feel for it. Now the technologies are

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<v Speaker 1>so good. So yeah, that's the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say this as someone who's a part time photographer.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way to capture what you see and feel

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<v Speaker 2>with the elevation there in a photo. There's no way.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way to do it. Like it's gotten I

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<v Speaker 2>will echo what you said. The telecast has gotten leaves

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<v Speaker 2>and bounds better every year. It gets better. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you see the guys with the ground cameras running around yep,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get that, you know, those ground shots looking

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<v Speaker 2>up at these perch greens. But it is it is

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<v Speaker 2>un and I know this gets like beaten into the ground. Nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, nothing prepares your eyes for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time you're there, and nothing when you're inside the ropes

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<v Speaker 2>on the golf course, nothing prepares you for the what

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<v Speaker 2>your feet feel, what your feet feel when you get

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<v Speaker 2>on some of the greens and when you're hitting those

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<v Speaker 2>shots is just discomfort.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's that's exactly where I was going, that

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<v Speaker 1>that elevation change transcends into having to hit so many

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<v Speaker 1>shots from uneven lies and you just don't get that

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<v Speaker 1>very often anymore, do you. You know, you just don't it.

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<v Speaker 1>And really, even when you're practicing and you're practicing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>either off of a mat or off of a driving

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<v Speaker 1>range teeth, it's pretty flat. And leading up to the Masters,

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<v Speaker 1>you really have to seek out places where you can

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<v Speaker 1>go and hit balls from downhill uphill side hills and

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that you still have elite distance control off

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<v Speaker 1>of these slopes, because at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the keys to unlocking Augusta National is distance

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<v Speaker 1>control and preciseness with your approach play. Because if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to have a decent look at Birdie, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the size of a mid sized rental card

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<v Speaker 1>to land your ball in. And that's tough enough to

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<v Speaker 1>do off of a flat line. Now you've got some

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<v Speaker 1>elevation to deal with. You may have five or ten

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<v Speaker 1>miles an hour of wind to deal with and an

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<v Speaker 1>uneven lie, it's it's difficult. It's difficult, never mind being nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got those things, the elevation and then just

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<v Speaker 1>the green complexes and understanding the patterns to those and

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<v Speaker 1>way to put yourself in a spot to where you

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<v Speaker 1>can try and make a few birdies and at the

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<v Speaker 1>very least keep the big numbers off your card.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have a favorite place or spot to practice

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<v Speaker 2>those uneven lies that you found. Was there something you

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<v Speaker 2>did not necessarily your first time around, but in your

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<v Speaker 2>prime where you went to specific spot to practice uneven lies?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would do it all in weeks proceeding. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for the most part around that time, I

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<v Speaker 1>was hanging out a lot at Lake Nona here in Orlando,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were many areas there we could just go

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<v Speaker 1>and find a spot, drop a few balls, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>see what the ball does when it's a foot above

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<v Speaker 1>you or the downhill. You know, some shots really jumped

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<v Speaker 1>to mind that people who haven't stood out in the fairways,

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had that opportunity, may not quite grasped. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>the second shot into thirteen, if you're going for it,

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<v Speaker 1>that ball is at least twelve inches above your feet

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<v Speaker 1>and more in places. So now you're trying to pure

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<v Speaker 1>a long iron. And now you know we're back to

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<v Speaker 1>being mid and long irons after they moved the teeing

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<v Speaker 1>area back last year. But you know, we'll pretend that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still getting ready for ninety nine. You got a

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<v Speaker 1>long iron or maybe even a fair way word, and

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<v Speaker 1>you you got to catch it so pure in order

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure you get over Ray's Creek, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not easy to do. I always found that the second

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<v Speaker 1>shot at thirteen played club longer than the number, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's because you just don't get perfect contact

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<v Speaker 1>because the ball is so far above your feet, and

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<v Speaker 1>when you do catch it good, it's inevitably got a

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<v Speaker 1>little hooked to it, and then you're bringing those bunkers

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<v Speaker 1>into play or that little swale that's not always easy

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<v Speaker 1>to get up and down from. That's one that you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to be ready for. And then the wedge into

0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.200
<v Speaker 1>fifteen off of that downhill lie, I mean, that is

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, you've got to be careful. It's easy

0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.720
<v Speaker 1>to pick the club up a little too quick on

0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.800
<v Speaker 1>your takeaway, and then you hang a little too much

0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:21.480
<v Speaker 1>on your left side, and then if you keep going

0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.040
<v Speaker 1>with it, that ball flight's in a little bit too low,

0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and then the first bounce is too big and it

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<v Speaker 1>jumps over the back or you rock back a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit because you can feel a little too much weight

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<v Speaker 1>on your left side, and then you don't quite get contact.

0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.880
<v Speaker 1>You see guys landing on the front spin it back

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<v Speaker 1>into the pond. I mean, those are shots you just

0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.840
<v Speaker 1>have to be ready for. Second shot into nine is

0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.840
<v Speaker 1>another one, big big down slope. They're hitting to an

0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.640
<v Speaker 1>elevated green, so the green's above you and you're on

0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a down slope. Got to be not just have great skill,

0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.040
<v Speaker 1>but you've got to be very committed mentally in order

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<v Speaker 1>to pull those shots off.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, like you hit on a few of the

0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:08.040
<v Speaker 2>shots that are just you think about like the the

0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:12.720
<v Speaker 2>nuance of the shot into thirteen. Also, you have this

0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.160
<v Speaker 2>lie that is gonna make the ball go left. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know in golf, one of the amazing things about

0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.440
<v Speaker 2>golf is a wedge goes more left off that lie

0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.040
<v Speaker 2>than a seven iron. A seven iron goes less or

0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.240
<v Speaker 2>more off the left off that lie than a four iron.

0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.680
<v Speaker 2>It is like it goes through the bag and the

0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.080
<v Speaker 2>longer the club you have in there, you feel like

0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.640
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna go left, but that club like more often

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<v Speaker 2>than not, kind of hangs a little more right than

0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.320
<v Speaker 2>you think. And it's just, you know, the degrees of

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<v Speaker 2>this The wedg shot, I mean, the downslope wedge is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the hardest shots. And then the green that

0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:55.000
<v Speaker 2>they pair with it is the most punishing, most precise

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<v Speaker 2>screen on the golf course. It is, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>the shot you just highlighted into nine, the side slope,

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<v Speaker 2>down slope into a green that's perched up. It's that

0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, you're hitting that web shot and it's gonna

0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.400
<v Speaker 2>come out a little bit lower, but you're hitting to

0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.120
<v Speaker 2>this elevated green and then the worst miss that you

0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.800
<v Speaker 2>can make on that green is long. Yeah, And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just and your tendency is going to be to miss

0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.200
<v Speaker 2>long there. It's just I think, like what I think

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<v Speaker 2>about that golf course is just how the greens and

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<v Speaker 2>the orientation the slopes of them pair with the land

0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:35.240
<v Speaker 2>that you're approaching from is unmatched. There's no golf course

0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.480
<v Speaker 2>in the world that pairs that dynamic of the ground

0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.280
<v Speaker 2>and what it makes you feel and what the tendencies

0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.280
<v Speaker 2>of those shots are with pairing the worst places you

0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.880
<v Speaker 2>could be on the green or around the green, you know,

0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.600
<v Speaker 2>with the tendency of the lie like it is, it

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<v Speaker 2>is psychological warfare from the second you step on the

0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.720
<v Speaker 2>course and that first green.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, that's beautifully put. It's beautifully put. It. It's uh,

0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.919
<v Speaker 1>it's a masterpiece. I mean there there really is no

0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.600
<v Speaker 1>other way to describe it. And you know, when you

0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.480
<v Speaker 1>were talking about that second shot into nine, now I

0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.600
<v Speaker 1>was thinking to myself, Yeah, and never mind that you

0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.240
<v Speaker 1>also have the green that sits at a slight angle,

0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.280
<v Speaker 1>So now it challenges your t shot. If you hit

0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:23.840
<v Speaker 1>it down the left, you're gonna have to come over

0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.520
<v Speaker 1>those bunkers and the green is more shallow, or you

0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.360
<v Speaker 1>can try and push your T shirt down the right

0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.600
<v Speaker 1>and then be hitting more up the angle of the green.

0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.560
<v Speaker 1>And then oh, by the way, there's three levels to

0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:36.520
<v Speaker 1>that green as well.

0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.360
<v Speaker 2>And also if you come up a little short, it's

0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna roll forty yards out town.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's the best.

0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:55.000
<v Speaker 1>The tournament is incredible. The traditions that they have there

0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.919
<v Speaker 1>are unmatched. I mean, there's just there is just no

0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.840
<v Speaker 1>thing like it. I'll tell you what. The person who

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<v Speaker 1>wins this year this is going to be the eighty

0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:08.520
<v Speaker 1>eighth Masters. That uh that has a nice ring to it.

0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Eight eight, So check that one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, as you get I feel like as

0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.720
<v Speaker 2>you get older, years become less of an obstacle. I

0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:21.920
<v Speaker 2>just say, you know, you saying that I didn't realize

0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.880
<v Speaker 2>how close we were to the to the hundredth that's

0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.520
<v Speaker 2>going to be a spectacle, you know when you think

0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.600
<v Speaker 2>about it, as we're getting close to that. So eighty

0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.240
<v Speaker 2>eighth Masters. Last year, when when we did this, you

0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.959
<v Speaker 2>you were you were upset about you cheated. You cheated

0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.119
<v Speaker 2>a couple of things. You were upset about the prep.

0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.240
<v Speaker 2>This is our five things episode. You didn't you didn't

0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.399
<v Speaker 2>complain about it this year in the lead up. You know,

0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.399
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know if you were saving them for the pod.

0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.800
<v Speaker 2>But uh, I definitely cheated again. But I you know,

0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.560
<v Speaker 2>I set the rules and one of the things you

0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.439
<v Speaker 2>could do, like I might just be a little bit

0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.359
<v Speaker 2>more experience. I know, the new answers of listen, like

0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.240
<v Speaker 2>if you could come up with a broader topic, you

0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.560
<v Speaker 2>can lump four storylines into one topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I think I've learned from from my experience

0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.040
<v Speaker 1>with you last year. Also, I recently listened to a

0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.760
<v Speaker 1>pod with you and Bacon where you did the same

0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.000
<v Speaker 1>thing to him. You, you know, you put four or

0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:23.280
<v Speaker 1>five things into one one topic, and I was like, man,

0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.560
<v Speaker 1>this is obviously Andy's go to move when when he

0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.240
<v Speaker 1>has people on the pod to talk about their five

0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.520
<v Speaker 1>favorite things. So you know, I've got a little something

0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:34.600
<v Speaker 1>up my sleeve for you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's let's kick it off. What's your what's

0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.199
<v Speaker 2>your first thing? You're excited about our first storyline. I

0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.760
<v Speaker 2>don't really know what the right bucket is to say

0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:46.040
<v Speaker 2>these what's the first thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but before I get to the first thing?

0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.280
<v Speaker 2>All right? Here already getting more things in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so then maybe this is number six. But weather, weather, weather, weather,

0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:04.320
<v Speaker 1>this is on my weather is all I'm interested in

0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.360
<v Speaker 1>right now. I'm checking the forecast twice a day leading up,

0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and I am just so hoping for a lot of

0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:18.880
<v Speaker 1>sunshine this week in prep up there, and then once

0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:23.320
<v Speaker 1>the tournament gets going, some more heat and sunshine because

0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:25.600
<v Speaker 1>it feels like it's been a little while since we've

0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:30.399
<v Speaker 1>had a real firm and fast Masters, And because of

0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.960
<v Speaker 1>all the nuances and the things that you and I

0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:38.920
<v Speaker 1>have just outlined about the brilliance of the course design.

0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:45.800
<v Speaker 1>When it's firm and fast, this Augusta National comes alive

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<v Speaker 1>even more. And when that ball is running, the drama

0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:57.000
<v Speaker 1>that goes along with that, the anticipation that goes along

0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.679
<v Speaker 1>with that, the excitement of that ball rolling on the

0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:06.199
<v Speaker 1>ground just increases exponentially. So like before I get to

0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:10.120
<v Speaker 1>number five, whether it's something I'm very interested.

0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.639
<v Speaker 2>In, listen, I uh, this was on my list. I

0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:18.560
<v Speaker 2>think the forecast right now looks really great. I don't

0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:22.760
<v Speaker 2>want to jinx this since since you've been broadcasting, it's

0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.919
<v Speaker 2>just been dire. I mean last year it was horrendous.

0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.800
<v Speaker 2>The year before that was bad. Even if you go

0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:32.040
<v Speaker 2>back to Tiger's year, you know it was an amazing Sunday,

0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:37.880
<v Speaker 2>but the Sunday happened hours before what it was supposed

0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:39.800
<v Speaker 2>to happen, you know, because they moved up to the

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.440
<v Speaker 2>tea times and it was a morning, so it wasn't

0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.439
<v Speaker 2>real Master Sunday. You think about that. That wind, the

0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.040
<v Speaker 2>wind was amazing, it was one of it was an

0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:54.560
<v Speaker 2>iconic Master Sunday, but it didn't happen on the afternoon

0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:59.760
<v Speaker 2>a Master Sunday, you know, so I completely agree. Do

0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:03.919
<v Speaker 2>you have a memory of Augusta National when it was

0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.960
<v Speaker 2>really fiery and a shot or or something that was

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:12.040
<v Speaker 2>like whoa, that's different, Uh.

0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, knuckling down the rounds or what year it was.

0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Because I've been going there so long is harder for

0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:25.600
<v Speaker 1>me to do. But you know, you start to get

0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the feel on approach shots when the greens, you know,

0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:34.040
<v Speaker 1>they have phases of firmness in the last few years,

0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Like you say, it's been pretty green, and then they

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.440
<v Speaker 1>can go a little yellow, ye, a little purple at

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:45.600
<v Speaker 1>times when it starts getting really firm, and you know,

0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:47.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of approach shots you've got to be

0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.320
<v Speaker 1>really careful. We're starting right at number one, which is

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.040
<v Speaker 1>the highest point on the golf course. That green, if

0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.800
<v Speaker 1>it's firm and fast, gets baked out and it is

0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:03.040
<v Speaker 1>one of the most intricate and complex greens on the

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.800
<v Speaker 1>whole golf course. I mean, the areas that you have

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 1>to play with there are tiny because of that false

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 1>front and that funnel in the front of the green.

0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Five is another one that gets really firm. You start

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 1>getting back right whole locations at six that you're just

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 1>wondering how on earth am I going to stop the

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:26.640
<v Speaker 1>ball up on that little plateau seven? Hitting uphill as well,

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that ball is bouncing as high as the flag and

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 1>you've only got like eleven yards of depth to work with,

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.480
<v Speaker 1>So you're in a panic over that second shot hitting

0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:40.200
<v Speaker 1>off of a down slope. You know, there's there's lots

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 1>of areas where you've got to be real careful. And

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:47.200
<v Speaker 1>and that's what what I'm really hoping for and looking

0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:52.920
<v Speaker 1>forward to, because that's when you need supreme control over

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:58.400
<v Speaker 1>spin and trajectory and and and that's that's what I'm.

0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Opening spin trajector, it's you know, even gets it's got

0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 2>to get to the fraction of where you hit it

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 2>on the face, if you catch it a little on

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 2>the toe and it's got just that fraction of hookspin,

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to find that right that perfect spot.

0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:16.120
<v Speaker 2>And I think, like I think sometimes, you know, with golf,

0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 2>we watch these leaders and they make it look so easy,

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 2>but the reality of how perfectly struck on a firm

0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:29.119
<v Speaker 2>golf course, how perfectly struck a shot has to be

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:31.719
<v Speaker 2>to get to some of these areas that they get to.

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 2>It's obscured just by you know, they they hit the shot,

0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:38.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's sometimes it's like the shot that goes that's

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 2>fifteen feet right of a flag from a bad angle

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:46.199
<v Speaker 2>with a firm green. It's like those shots because they

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:50.240
<v Speaker 2>aren't three feet away, get obscured of, like just how

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.639
<v Speaker 2>freakishly good that is. And I feel like that's something

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:55.880
<v Speaker 2>that you really pick up when you're on the ground

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 2>at an event and you see or in your case,

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 2>have played the like you know, I've I've been there.

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.959
<v Speaker 2>I know how it feels when I'm standing over that

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.359
<v Speaker 2>shot and thinking I have to hit this absolutely perfect

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:08.280
<v Speaker 2>to get to fifteenth.

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and look, you don't need to remind me about

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 1>those last few years. Twenty nineteen, I was actually playing

0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and because we played early, I teed off the tenth

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:21.920
<v Speaker 1>tee on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, and here's early morning.

0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Here's a useless piece of trivia for you. In all

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>my years at the Masters, twice I've teed off the

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 1>tenth tee. The third round in two thousand and five

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I shot sixty five, and the final round twenty nineteen,

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I shot sixty nine. So I got I've actually got

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good scoring average teeing off the tenth tier

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 1>in Augusta National. This is something I'm sure you didn't know.

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 2>I got it. I gotta say, I'm I think that

0:25:55.240 --> 0:26:01.400
<v Speaker 2>if they had stuck with the original routing, ten was one. Maybe, yeah,

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.160
<v Speaker 2>you might be like a sixth time. Yeah.

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's two guys. There's two guys that would have

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 1>a huge saying that, Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods. They've

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:15.200
<v Speaker 1>done pretty well at that tournament, not giving many other

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 1>guys a great shot. But and then twenty was the

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 1>COVID year, so we played in November, was completely different

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>golf course. And then, like you say, last year, we

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 1>had twenty eight holes on the Sunday. It was that

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>marathon on Sunday after all the rain. The course was

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty soft. So yeah, really hoping for a firm one.

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. I feel like we've gotten a round

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 2>or two of really firm conditions, But I can't remember

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:48.439
<v Speaker 2>the last time we've had a four round tournament where

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:52.439
<v Speaker 2>we haven't had weather come into the equation. You know,

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the last time.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, it looks really good, looks pretty solid this

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>week all the way through the weekend, all the way

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:05.159
<v Speaker 1>through really Wednesday, then Thursday, Friday is a slight chance,

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.399
<v Speaker 1>and then looks pretty good on the weekend again, which

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 1>obviously we're excited about at CBS. That's when we really

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>get to show off, is when it's bright and sunny.

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'll do one since you know you already

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.920
<v Speaker 2>you already knocked one of mine off. But what I'm

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 2>extraordinarily excited about over the last you know, over the

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>last really three years of golf, it's we've had these

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:33.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of side show, the side storyline, sometimes dominant storyline

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 2>of of what's going on with liv and the PGA Tour.

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>This year is no different. But what I love is

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 2>this week, more so than every other week, becomes all

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 2>about the golf. We're zeroed in on on the golf

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 2>at hand, the Major Championship, the first major of the year,

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 2>all the top players are here, and really, you know

0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 2>what the what the tournament becomes is the tournament, unlike

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>so many other tournaments, isn't viewed through the context of money.

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>It is viewed through the the idea of history and legacy.

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.639
<v Speaker 2>And I just think when golf tournaments are rooted in that,

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and when you make the turn on the back nine

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 2>on Sunday or you're on the sixth hole on Saturday,

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and you're in the mix. There is an added weight,

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 2>an added thing that is in your mind and you're

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>thinking about, and it is It is about becoming a

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 2>player that will not be forgotten in history along with

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>the big winners check and all the things that happened.

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 2>But it is really about becoming a Masters champion. And

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 2>to me, this is when golf thrives, This is when

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 2>golf is the best. And I you know, in the

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>last two weeks, I've just become so smitten knowing that

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 2>this week is coming because of this dynamic.

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's very well said. I'm right there with you. Look,

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the last two three years has been exhausting, completely exhausting,

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and to feel like we're going to have this moment

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>in time where hopefully all of that is you know,

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>thrown onto the back burner and we can just focus

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>on a golf tournament that really transcends the sport and

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>a magnificent golf course for like you say, playing for

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>history and legacy and to see somebody put on the

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 1>green jacket, whether it be the first, their first time,

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>or another opportunity they're getting to do it. If you

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>think of some of the other players, that is something

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>that rarely does excite me. I'm right there with you.

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like I always think about when I think

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.719
<v Speaker 2>about this, I you know, I know you've worked with him.

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I always think about Curtis Strange is kind of back

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 2>nine and eighty five.

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he.

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Had I wish I had I pulled the quotes, but

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>he talks about he has some great quotes about when

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 2>he made the turn where you know, he he makes

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the turn and he just he got on the tenth

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 2>tee and everything just felt different, you know, and all

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, it just it was hard and and

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 2>sure like he didn't end up winning. Curtis was a great,

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 2>great player who didn't get a Green jacket that you

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 2>might look back on history and say, that's one of

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the guys that should have gotten a green jacket that didn't.

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 2>And if there's just so many you go through the time,

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>is there's so many. There's something about Augusta National where

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 2>certain players are just like it's like they're blessed by

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Augusta National and other players get kind of snake bitten

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>by it and there's a whole other mental hurdle that

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 2>you have to overcome, and it's just so rare, and

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>they're just like, you know, I think that there's something

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>to be said about tournaments, and I think this has

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>really helped the players over the last two decades. Tournaments

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>that come back to the same place all the time.

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>And what it does mentally to players is there's those

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>built in memories of hey, you know, four years ago,

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I hit this shot here that just stay rooted in

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 2>their head. There's good memories and you get these positive, warm,

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 2>fuzzy feeling memories, or you can get these negative memories

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>where you're remembering, oh that that day, that third round Saturday,

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I was three shots out of the lead and I

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>hooked it in the water on eleven. And there's something

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>that's there's a power to returning to venues. Yeah, It's

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>why I think sometimes it's hard to play tournaments at

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 2>your home course because you you remember bad shots you

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 2>hit there.

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>But also what I've found is, you know, when you

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>play your home course, you're not always as disciplined and

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>your mind is not always as cluttered, and you just play.

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 1>But then all of a sudden, if you've got a

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>tournament there and you walk on the tea and you

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>pull out drive and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>actually like, this means something now, you know, there's remember

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>that that leak is down there, and you know if

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>I hit it in there today, it means something. There's

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 1>something interesting about that as well. I remember going through that.

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>The two South African Opens I won was actually at

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>my home golf course, and that experience was was pretty

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 1>weird mentally, having to actually play the course in a

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>slightly different manner. And that's you know, I'll come back

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>to that a little bit when I get to one

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 1>of my other players here that I'm going to talk about.

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>But you're right, you know, you think of legends of

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the game that haven't wonted Augusta, you know, Wiscoff, Trevino,

0:32:54.800 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Ernie Rory. You know, it feels like those players absolutely

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>should have been able to win the Masters. But it's

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 1>one of the it's one of the million threads of

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 1>this tournament that just makes it so great is that

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 1>you have the Norman is another one that's just jumped

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>to my mind. Yeah, you have the amazing stories of

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the Palmers and the Mickelson's and the Woods and the Sev's,

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>and you know the players and those guys that were

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>expected to win and one multiple times Jack obviously, I

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 1>mean that goes without saying. But then you have these

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>other legends that didn't ever find a way to unlock

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 1>that something around there, And like I said, it's just

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>one of the many things that makes this tournament great.

0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 2>If you think about Augusta and in the context of

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>an elite, elite professional golfer, you know, they all make

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>these like scouting trips where they play maybe two, three

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 2>four rounds in addition to the practice rounds leading up

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Augusta National they play over the course of say fifteen

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 2>years of their prime career, ten years Augusta National they

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 2>play probably the most golf at outside of their second

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 2>golf course or outside their home golf course. They don't

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 2>they do not fly out to play the travelers, you know,

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.720
<v Speaker 2>a month in advance, like they play their usual tournament

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 2>prep there. Augusta is the place that they play an

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.919
<v Speaker 2>extra round or two here or there. They might play

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>it seven times in a year, eight times in a year,

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>and that's probably the course that they log the second

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 2>or third most rounds year in, year out, and it's

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 2>like a it's just something a dynamic where for these

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 2>guys they are more familiar and familiarity has like has

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 2>great benefit. It's I think it's like the what was

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 2>it Harrington's great quote a few years ago, experiences and

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>all is cracked up to me, like you know, sometimes

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>like it's bad, like there are you get the bad

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.879
<v Speaker 2>memories and there's there's good things about it and bad

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 2>thing there's strawbacks, and I think that's something that when

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 2>you have a regular that's the only regular major host,

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>and that's part of what makes it more special than others,

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 2>is the familiarity of the course, not only for fans

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 2>but for the players.

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Yep, totally, totally, totally all right. So now I'm gonna

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:34.359
<v Speaker 1>start with my actual number five.

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 2>All right, number five? You counting down? Five down?

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:39.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going from five to one.

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm already two in, so you're you've got

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 2>more than me.

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:51.360
<v Speaker 1>So Tiger Woods. It's my number five storyline leading into uh,

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 1>this eighty eight Masters. Somehow he's actually coming in to

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 1>this Masters with less golf under his belt than he

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.720
<v Speaker 1>did last year, which is just fascinating. He's had twenty

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 1>four holes competitive golf as prep for this last year Masters.

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 1>At least last year he played all four rounds in La,

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>made the cut there, had a good round I think

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 1>either it was the second or the third round, and

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>got a little momentum. But this year went to La,

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>got sick, only played six holes on the Friday, and

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 1>so he's even more undercooked than what he was last year,

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>which is fascinating and the reason I've got him at

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>number five. First of all, look, I mean, there's just

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>no player that even comes close to the fame and

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the juice that Tiger Woods brings when he teased it

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>up in a tournament. But you know, forty eight years

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 1>old body seems to be hurting. There's just not many

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:03.240
<v Speaker 1>records that I feel that he still has a chance

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 1>to break. But there's two that I think that are

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 1>still in reach. And the one is, you know, winning

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:14.919
<v Speaker 1>for an eighty third time and beating Sneed's record and

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 1>then coming up here at this Masters is breaking the

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 1>all time consecutive cuts made record. So right now he's

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>tied at twenty three with Gary Player and Fred Couples.

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>And if he makes the cut at this Masters, then

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>that's another record that he breaks and sets a new

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>mark at twenty four Masters in a row making the cut.

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.879
<v Speaker 1>That is just phenomenal.

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I took the words out of my mouth about why

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Tiger matters this year, and I think, like, when you

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:55.280
<v Speaker 2>think about Tiger Woods, and he's obviously got the most

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 2>records of any any golfer, that I think, I don't

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 2>know if anybody will ever match the sheer number of

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:07.959
<v Speaker 2>records in my lifetime, in your lifetime, the Tiger said,

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to fathom that there will be somebody that

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 2>comes through with this many records. And I think what

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 2>makes Tiger such such an icon of the sport, like

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 2>so many other greats of any sport, is his ability

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:29.800
<v Speaker 2>to do the unthinkable, the unfathomable when all the odds

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 2>are stacked against him. And as you outlaid, he comes

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:38.720
<v Speaker 2>into this Masters having played twenty three holes of golf,

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:42.359
<v Speaker 2>competitive golf, and he's going to tee it up at

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 2>the golf course. That is, you arguably need to be

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 2>the most precise and sharp with your game. It's a

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:55.800
<v Speaker 2>physical test, it's a mental test. And here he's coming

0:38:56.000 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>in this record. This isn't the biggest record. This isn't

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the most you know, amazing record he's ever gonna hold.

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 2>But to break this record is a given the circumstances

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 2>that he's in, is a unbelievable accomplishment. If he makes

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:15.799
<v Speaker 2>the cut this.

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Year, well remember remember last year when he made the

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 1>cut and then that weather rolled in on the Saturday,

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 1>and I just remember vividly his second shot into the

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>fourteenth hole, and we were on the air and it

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:35.399
<v Speaker 1>was just bucketing down with rain, and you know, he's

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>got the rain suit on and the umbrella and the

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 1>hat and there's just water everywhere, and he hit the

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 1>shot and walking over to his bag, which is like

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 1>five yards away. The way he was walking, the pain

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that he was in just to get back to the

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:56.479
<v Speaker 1>golf bag was I That's an image I'll never ever

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 1>get out of my mind. You know. The fact that

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 1>he went ahead and made the cut before having to

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>withdraw on you know, in that after that third round,

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 1>or at some point in that third round, was just gosh,

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 1>highlights how much pain he was in.

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget watching him walk up the eighteenth hill.

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.239
<v Speaker 2>It felt like he wasn't gonna make it up, you know.

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.439
<v Speaker 2>I uh, and I think physically, with the with the leg.

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 2>It seems like he's in a way better place now

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 2>than last year. I think it's just it's just the

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 2>the the reps, as he always has said, I mean,

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 2>competitive reps really matter if you want to play high

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:33.840
<v Speaker 2>level golf.

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Now we'll say this, if it's firm and fast, like

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm begging for, I think it improves his chances because

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 1>he can use all of the experience and understanding of

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>where you can leave the ball and still make a score.

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 1>So furm fast would be in his favor.

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:55.240
<v Speaker 2>If it's firm and fast, I think that that brings

0:40:55.280 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 2>in some of the guys that thrive, are that understand

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.840
<v Speaker 2>the golf course and then have magical short games.

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 2>So like if you're a George Speed fan, firm and

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:11.320
<v Speaker 2>fast to me would be where where what you're really

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 2>hoping for because it allows him to have a little

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:18.400
<v Speaker 2>bit in a way it sounds counterintuitive, but the margins

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:23.320
<v Speaker 2>are smaller to make birdies, but they're wider if you've

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:26.239
<v Speaker 2>got just an extraordinary short game in the sense of

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<v Speaker 2>Trevor Emmlman. My next one is going to be the

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:54.160
<v Speaker 2>live players. I've got three guys on the list, and

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's just surprise anyone. I'm not putting

0:43:56.640 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 2>Walkie Nieman in the in the mix until I see

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 2>a top ten. Yeah, I'm right. I just I want

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 2>to see something I want to see more. I know

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 2>he played really well in that Fall Masters. During COVID

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:15.279
<v Speaker 2>he was in the mix, but you know, faltered late.

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Not all major records when you look at Wikipedia tell

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 2>the true story. He was in the mix that year.

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:25.400
<v Speaker 2>That being said, I'm zeroed in on Brooks, Rom and

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:30.840
<v Speaker 2>camp Smith. Camp Smith were eighteen months removed effectively from

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 2>him possibly being the best player in the world. He

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't great in the last years. He wasn't terrible in

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>the majors last year, he wasn't terrible. You know, what

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 2>is he at this point is a question. I'll just

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:46.239
<v Speaker 2>run through these quick. You know, Rom, I don't know

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 2>if he I think his decision to go to Live

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I think he went because he thought he was that

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 2>the deal was done and he was coming back and

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I and I don't know if he thought this was

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 2>all going to be together. He was going to be

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 2>playing PGA Tour events. But to me, John Rahm seems

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 2>like a control freak, And I'm just curious about his prep.

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 2>He's a world class player. I think he can play

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:15.400
<v Speaker 2>well at Augusta with any prep, but I wonder about

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:18.879
<v Speaker 2>his prep and whether he's gotten to do exactly how

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 2>he would want to prep for the Masters, And I

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily think that he does. He's the reigning champion,

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.279
<v Speaker 2>defending champion, but he hasn't. You know, you think about

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:35.879
<v Speaker 2>last year coming into the Masters, he was undoubtedly, undoubtedly

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 2>the best player in the game. This year he is,

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 2>without question not that In that same pedestal, and I

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:47.720
<v Speaker 2>think you saw that with that Mono Imano showdown with Brooks,

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 2>he knew he was the best player in the world.

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 2>And Brooks, for the first time ever kind of got

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 2>out outfitt On on that kind of marathon Sunday.

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 1>You count twenty nineteen when Tiger got him.

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true, as I was gonna I have that

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 2>in the in the Brooks section. Then we then if

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.439
<v Speaker 2>you take if you look at Brooks, if you take

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Brooks's twenty twenty two out of his majors just because

0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:16.839
<v Speaker 2>of injuries, you know, he couldn't squat down to read

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 2>a putt. Yep, He's got seventeen top tens in his

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:23.400
<v Speaker 2>last twenty six major starts.

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 1>It's awesome. It's awesome.

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 2>It includes five wins and fourteen top fives in there.

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 2>There's a I think there's three top t sixes in there.

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:37.719
<v Speaker 2>So if you went to T six to beat seventeen

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 2>top six finishes in twenty six starts in majors, this

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 2>guy and I'm not a better I just I don't.

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:49.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't really pay attention to betting odds very much.

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.880
<v Speaker 3>He's twenty to one, he's twenty one to one. Twenty

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 3>to one. How is this possible? He's spent so close here.

0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:01.080
<v Speaker 3>The Tiger year, it looked like the tournament his and

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.160
<v Speaker 3>then you know what happens on Sundays with Tiger Woods

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 3>in the mix. Happened, you know, unless your name's Trevor Emillin.

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And then last year through thirty six, it looked like

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 2>there was nobody that was going to beat this guy.

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:17.439
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:21.560
<v Speaker 2>If he wins, he has six majors, he's one leg away.

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:25.279
<v Speaker 2>If he wins this, I don't think there's like I

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:29.440
<v Speaker 2>think that we have to start to look back, ignore

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 2>the lack of other wins and say this is the

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 2>greatest player of the generation.

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I totally agree with you. I mean, there's not

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:41.240
<v Speaker 1>too much really that I can add to that. Rom

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 1>was my number two, my second second biggest storyline leading

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 1>in So I guess I'll jump in on that. It

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:57.239
<v Speaker 1>is fascinating to me and exciting to me to be

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 1>able to observe how this is going to unfold with him.

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Like you say, last year came in he had played

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:09.399
<v Speaker 1>eight PGA Tour events, he had won three of them,

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 1>and he came to the Masters won the green jacket,

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 1>So that was his fourth win and undoubtedly let the

0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 1>world know that he is the best player in the world.

0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 1>And now after making this move, he's going to have

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:33.399
<v Speaker 1>played five live events after Miami this weekend, and if

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>you do the math, because they play three round events,

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:43.560
<v Speaker 1>that'll be seventeen less competitive rounds under his belt than

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:46.800
<v Speaker 1>what he played last year coming in to the Masters

0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:52.799
<v Speaker 1>when he won. So is that going to mean anything? Like,

0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:56.080
<v Speaker 1>we don't quite know yet. If you look at the

0:48:56.160 --> 0:49:00.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty three Masters Brooks came in, then I know what

0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 1>he was doing. And like you say, after thirty six holes,

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:05.399
<v Speaker 1>it didn't look like anyone was going to beat him.

0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Michelson finished second out of nowhere like nowhere, and you've

0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 1>got to give a shout out to Patrick Reid as well,

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:19.480
<v Speaker 1>or finished typer fourth. So it didn't affect those guys

0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 1>having played less coming into last year's Masters, But that's

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:26.759
<v Speaker 1>not going to say that John Rohb's not going to

0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>feel a little different. And I am really really fascinated

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:36.279
<v Speaker 1>to see how he handles the whole thing, what the

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 1>reaction is going to be, like, what those press conferences

0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 1>are going to be, like, how he interacts with the

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.799
<v Speaker 1>media and other players that he hasn't seen for a

0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:50.799
<v Speaker 1>long time on the PGA tour, and just what the

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:53.319
<v Speaker 1>dynamic is it's going to be. It's going to be

0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 1>lovely to watch.

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean throw in. Do they have enough

0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:01.480
<v Speaker 2>toilets around the court? You know? Is he going to

0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:02.800
<v Speaker 2>be happy with that situation?

0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:05.759
<v Speaker 1>Now? Cam cam Smith as he just got rid of

0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:07.719
<v Speaker 1>the mullet, so hopefully he doesn't lose anything.

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:11.560
<v Speaker 2>It was April fourth, he got you.

0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh man, I'm glad to hear it. I'm glad

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:18.080
<v Speaker 1>to hear it. You know, I don't want I don't

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:21.120
<v Speaker 1>want Cam losing any of those special short game powers.

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, the guy is a genius with a wedge

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 1>and a putter in his hand and in the same

0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:32.799
<v Speaker 1>vein as Spieth. At a place like Augusta National that

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 1>is a massive weapon. So you're always going to keep

0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:41.000
<v Speaker 1>your eye on cam Smith and Brooks is an animal.

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Brooks is a major championship animal as always. He hasn't

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.520
<v Speaker 1>played very well leading up to it or in the

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 1>last few months, but does it really matter, because when

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 1>he pitches up to a major championship, he's able to

0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:01.440
<v Speaker 1>just shift into another gear and get himself in contention.

0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:05.839
<v Speaker 2>To me, the only thing that matters with Brooks if

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 2>you go back through his career so many of the

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:12.040
<v Speaker 2>times he's won majors, is the week before does he

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:15.399
<v Speaker 2>turn up and is the is the ball striking there?

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:19.320
<v Speaker 2>And so live Miami? Like, I think that's the story.

0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:22.680
<v Speaker 2>The thing to watch is Brooks Kopka on the leader board.

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 2>If he's on the leaderboard, you gotta feel great about

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.200
<v Speaker 2>what's gonna happen with him going into Augusta. It's like

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:33.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like clockwork. I think it was triny Forrest. He

0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 2>might finish fourth right before the PGA one. It's like

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.279
<v Speaker 2>if you go back last year, Crooked Catty wins and

0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:42.480
<v Speaker 2>then he plays Augusta, he plays great. It is as

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:45.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of like clockwork that I think that's how you

0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 2>tell if Brooks is ready to go, is the week before,

0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:53.840
<v Speaker 2>if he's in the mix, and I just, yeah, I

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:57.120
<v Speaker 2>think that you know, sneaky. We talk about Rory with

0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 2>with Augusta National, is Brooks actually the one that has

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:05.920
<v Speaker 2>been kind of snake bitten the most by Augusta and

0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:09.200
<v Speaker 2>had the best chances to win. I think with the

0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:12.239
<v Speaker 2>last five years, he's definitely and I think, like you

0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:16.680
<v Speaker 2>talk about game for Augusta National, he's perfect, He's got

0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 2>everything you want.

0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, it just feels like it's more intense with

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Rory though, because it's been for a longer period of time,

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:28.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, since Yeah, twenty eleven. I remember playing was

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:31.479
<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven was the one where he threw it away

0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:34.360
<v Speaker 1>in SCHWARTZELBERTI the last four holes, Right, it's twenty eleven,

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm quite sure. But I remember playing with Rory in

0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the third or fourth round in two thousand and nine

0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:45.880
<v Speaker 1>when I was defending champion and just watching this kid

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:49.880
<v Speaker 1>play this golf course, going, he's going to win five

0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:53.919
<v Speaker 1>of these, Like this golf course is perfect for him.

0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Back then he played more of a draw and I

0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:00.879
<v Speaker 1>was just playing that round of golf with him that day, going, man,

0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.520
<v Speaker 1>this course is tailor made for this guy. So the

0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:07.839
<v Speaker 1>pressure feels a little bit more intense for me when

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:11.440
<v Speaker 1>it comes to mc roy as opposed to Kipka.

0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:19.480
<v Speaker 2>With golf, I think there's in it, particularly with Augusta National.

0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious what you think about this, but to me,

0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Augusta is the place that you have to swing more

0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:30.960
<v Speaker 2>freely and without thought than anywhere else in the world.

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.040
<v Speaker 2>And there's going to be people on both sides of

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:37.280
<v Speaker 2>this which disprove and prove it. But to me, Augusta

0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:40.360
<v Speaker 2>is the place where, when you're over the ball, you

0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:43.399
<v Speaker 2>have to let go of all your worries about where

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.759
<v Speaker 2>it might go, what it might do, and hit the shot,

0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:49.800
<v Speaker 2>commit to the shot. And I think for some players

0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:54.200
<v Speaker 2>as you age, that becomes a harder and harder proposition.

0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:59.640
<v Speaker 2>You're light like your life when you're twenty two, the

0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.200
<v Speaker 2>thing you worry about are so much less and so

0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:05.399
<v Speaker 2>much less consequential than by the time you're thirty eight

0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 2>and you've got kids and you're worried, you know, like

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.000
<v Speaker 2>you're you become more trained as you age to worry

0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:14.560
<v Speaker 2>more in a weird way. And I think this golf

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:18.879
<v Speaker 2>course almost some for some people, certain types of people

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:22.280
<v Speaker 2>versus other types of people, becomes more difficult to play

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:23.200
<v Speaker 2>because of that.

0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Do you are you are you connecting that with Rory?

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:33.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think it's just certain personalities right

0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:37.600
<v Speaker 2>where I think there's with young players, and I think

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:40.839
<v Speaker 2>like Speak's a great example, not at Augusta, just in

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:44.160
<v Speaker 2>general in his career. I think golf's gotten harder for

0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:47.320
<v Speaker 2>him as he's aged and he thinks about more stuff.

0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:51.280
<v Speaker 2>It's not is when you're I remember when Adams.

0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:54.760
<v Speaker 1>That he thinks about more, but he definitely knows more.

0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and knowledge can be It goes back to that

0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Harrington quote experiences everything. Yeah, when you think about Adam

0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Scott when they changed the rule about flagstick putting and

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:09.200
<v Speaker 2>he started putting with the flagstick and he had this

0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:12.840
<v Speaker 2>great putting year and he talked about how it reminded

0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 2>him as a kid when he used to just sit

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 2>on the putting green and bang putts into the flagsticks,

0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the little flagsticks on a putting green, and how it

0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:25.000
<v Speaker 2>made it easy because it connected back to when you

0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:26.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't think about things.

0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Sure, And I.

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Think that that Augusta because of all the things we

0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:34.320
<v Speaker 2>outlined right at the top, like all these little things

0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 2>and you have to you have to figure out what

0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:40.720
<v Speaker 2>you're doing with a shot and then forget about everything

0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:41.600
<v Speaker 2>and hit the shot.

0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, look, there's there's a lot that's going on.

0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:50.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, we touched on the lies. It's absolutely in

0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:54.480
<v Speaker 1>your mind how much or how small the space is

0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:56.880
<v Speaker 1>that you need to land your ball on approach shots.

0:55:57.160 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 1>And then the swirling wind is really the icing on

0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the cake from a standpoint of sewing doubt. So when

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:07.719
<v Speaker 1>you know that you have this small space that you

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:09.560
<v Speaker 1>need to land your ball and to give yourself a

0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:13.520
<v Speaker 1>good look and you're not one hundred percent sure where

0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the wind is, that it's it's a problem. It's a problem.

0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:22.800
<v Speaker 2>We since we've touched on Rory here, I know Rory's

0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:23.399
<v Speaker 2>on your list.

0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Rory's my number three, So.

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:28.439
<v Speaker 2>We're here, let's talk about him.

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:34.000
<v Speaker 1>So ten tenth go trying to complete the Grand Slam.

0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:38.200
<v Speaker 1>If he does, I actually think it. You know, if

0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:42.759
<v Speaker 1>you've got this Rory and Brooks rivalry really of you know,

0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:47.000
<v Speaker 1>who's the best player of this generation. If Rory goes

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:49.880
<v Speaker 1>ahead and wins the Masters, completes the Grand Slam, it

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:52.399
<v Speaker 1>gives him that slight edge over Brooks.

0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Because variety of courses.

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:58.720
<v Speaker 1>But also like that is the most elite list in golf.

0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:04.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean engulfing history. For Rory to be only the

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:08.440
<v Speaker 1>sixth guy to do that, I mean that is likes.

0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 1>That's rarefied air right there. And it's so interesting to

0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>see how he goes about it. It's not like he's

0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:24.200
<v Speaker 1>he's played badly. He's had seven top tens in the

0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 1>last ten years at the Masters, so he's had a

0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:32.440
<v Speaker 1>few opportunities there and thereabout. But this year feels a

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:37.600
<v Speaker 1>little different because normally he's won by now he's played well,

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:40.640
<v Speaker 1>but this year he really hasn't played well. He won

0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>in Dubai earlier on in the season and then in

0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:49.240
<v Speaker 1>his five starts on the PGA Tour, T nineteen at

0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the Players is his best finished. That is, it's unheard

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:56.720
<v Speaker 1>of for Rory McElroy. So I'm wondering, like, does this

0:57:57.000 --> 0:58:00.800
<v Speaker 1>take some pressure off? Does this take some of the

0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 1>spotlight off? These are all interesting things. And then you

0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:07.840
<v Speaker 1>know he's been putting in a little work with Butch

0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Harmon for the last few weeks. How does that change

0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:15.440
<v Speaker 1>things He's spoken about, you know, earlier on the season,

0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:18.520
<v Speaker 1>missing left with the driver seemed to fix that, then

0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:21.360
<v Speaker 1>started missing with the Irons hasn't had a week where

0:58:21.400 --> 0:58:26.240
<v Speaker 1>he's really put everything together. Now, if there was one

0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:29.919
<v Speaker 1>coach that I would have recommended for Rio, it would

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:32.880
<v Speaker 1>have been Butch Harmond for sure, because Butcher has an

0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:39.440
<v Speaker 1>amazing ability to give a player confidence without changing too much,

0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and he just he has a knack for that. He

0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:46.600
<v Speaker 1>did it with Fowler last year, and he's done it

0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:51.160
<v Speaker 1>with multiple players throughout his career. He is a mastermind

0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 1>of getting the best out of highly talented golfers. So

0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:02.160
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be fun to see how Rory pitches

0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:06.280
<v Speaker 1>up and how he goes about it. And you know,

0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:08.960
<v Speaker 1>we'll probably get early look here this week at San

0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Antonio if anything looks a little different. But let me

0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:16.400
<v Speaker 1>just finish by saying this. My belief is Rory plays

0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Augusta National two aggressively and that's what gets him undone

0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:25.120
<v Speaker 1>all the time. And I just wish that he would

0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:28.640
<v Speaker 1>take his foot off the gas a little bit and

0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 1>let the golf course come to him rather than going

0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:36.400
<v Speaker 1>out trying to burdy every hole. You know, I remember

0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:42.080
<v Speaker 1>last year in the first round afternoon tea times, I'm

0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>sitting in Butler cabin, I got Jim Nance to my

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:48.960
<v Speaker 1>left ram steps up. It's the southwest wind helping off

0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the left on number one, Okay, you've got about two

0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:53.919
<v Speaker 1>eighty or so to that fairway bunker down the right

0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:58.240
<v Speaker 1>hand side. Ram steps up, perfect club choice five word,

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:01.520
<v Speaker 1>lays it up just short left of the bunker. He's

1:00:01.560 --> 1:00:06.200
<v Speaker 1>got a seven eight iron into the green, middle green. Okay,

1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:07.760
<v Speaker 1>he had a bit of a nightmare on the green.

1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:11.880
<v Speaker 1>He four putt or what have you, but and got

1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:16.720
<v Speaker 1>off to the poor start. But Rory steps up straight

1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to the driver. He's got the helping wind. The beauty

1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:23.800
<v Speaker 1>of the design on number one is the widest part

1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:26.640
<v Speaker 1>of the fairway is in front of that fairway bunker.

1:00:26.920 --> 1:00:29.760
<v Speaker 1>And as you start pushing it past the bunker, the

1:00:29.840 --> 1:00:32.960
<v Speaker 1>pine trees on the left creep in at an angle.

1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:36.760
<v Speaker 2>So he's now a fair fairway moves at an angle too,

1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:39.440
<v Speaker 2>so that faaraway is in a straight fairway. It's an

1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:42.360
<v Speaker 2>angle fairway where you have to hit the exact line

1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:46.160
<v Speaker 2>and distance control. It becomes a two part question exactly.

1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:49.480
<v Speaker 1>So now he's trying to fit a driver into an

1:00:49.680 --> 1:00:54.720
<v Speaker 1>extremely narrow place on the first shot of the tournament.

1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:59.160
<v Speaker 1>There's no point in doing it. Absolutely no point in

1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:02.560
<v Speaker 1>doing it. He ends up hitting a eight out of

1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:05.440
<v Speaker 1>ten t shot straight into the trees on the left

1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:08.360
<v Speaker 1>because he's run through and he's run out of space,

1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:11.720
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just I look over it at Jim Nance

1:01:11.760 --> 1:01:14.439
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, what is he doing hitting driver there?

1:01:15.160 --> 1:01:17.400
<v Speaker 1>And those are the sort of things that I just

1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:20.280
<v Speaker 1>wish he would let the golf course come to him

1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more. And I think took back to

1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:28.640
<v Speaker 1>something that Jack Nicholas said to me, and I never

1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:32.120
<v Speaker 1>had the talent and ability to use this strategy, but

1:01:32.280 --> 1:01:36.000
<v Speaker 1>McElroy does. And Jack said to me, Look, when I

1:01:36.040 --> 1:01:39.440
<v Speaker 1>was in my prime, I knew that I was the best,

1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:44.800
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't have to do anything special to have

1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:48.400
<v Speaker 1>a chance to win with nine holes because I knew

1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:52.840
<v Speaker 1>that I was the best. And McElroy has that to

1:01:53.120 --> 1:01:56.680
<v Speaker 1>at his disposal. He does not need to go out

1:01:56.720 --> 1:02:00.960
<v Speaker 1>there and do anything crazy to have a chance with

1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:02.520
<v Speaker 1>nine holes to play on Sunday.

1:02:03.160 --> 1:02:07.240
<v Speaker 2>I think he played so aggressive last year. He played

1:02:07.600 --> 1:02:11.080
<v Speaker 2>so aggressive at o Kill the next event, which I

1:02:11.080 --> 1:02:15.480
<v Speaker 2>think o'kill was like beneficial to play aggressive in spots.

1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought his game plan for LACC was spectacular. You

1:02:20.920 --> 1:02:23.560
<v Speaker 2>know what I told him. What he did is he

1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:26.560
<v Speaker 2>hit less drivers. He hit a lot of three woods.

1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:29.880
<v Speaker 2>His three wood goes as far as the best players

1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:33.760
<v Speaker 2>in the world's drivers go, and he finds more fairways

1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:37.600
<v Speaker 2>and from the fairway. The thing about Rory is Rory

1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:41.720
<v Speaker 2>is going to run into birdies left and right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was so unbelievably good.

1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:50.080
<v Speaker 2>If he plays from the fairway or with clear shots

1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:54.400
<v Speaker 2>into greens the vast majority of time, he's going to

1:02:54.520 --> 1:02:59.919
<v Speaker 2>make four five birdies at Augusta National almost every round,

1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:03.320
<v Speaker 2>and from those positions he's going to limit his bogies.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, like you've hit the nail on the head.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not for Rory, It's not about It's never this.

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<v Speaker 2>In this whole major drought, it hasn't been about the

1:03:14.400 --> 1:03:18.400
<v Speaker 2>ability to score on a golf course. It's been about

1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:22.480
<v Speaker 2>the ability to limit the backbreakers, the momentum killers. And

1:03:22.520 --> 1:03:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I know some people don't believe in momentum golf. When

1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you make when you make an eight, when you make

1:03:28.920 --> 1:03:31.520
<v Speaker 2>an eight footer for par and you go to the

1:03:31.560 --> 1:03:34.640
<v Speaker 2>next tee, it feels like a birdie. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>so much of Rory is about keeping the card cleaner,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, with the par fives that Augustin National,

1:03:44.600 --> 1:03:48.720
<v Speaker 2>his length, his talent, his skill. There's there's three birdies

1:03:49.040 --> 1:03:51.720
<v Speaker 2>easy birdies per round. Maybe you don't hit a drive

1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:54.360
<v Speaker 2>a great drive on one of them, and it becomes,

1:03:54.440 --> 1:03:57.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, a par hole. But three of the four

1:03:57.480 --> 1:04:00.400
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have a shot. If you're driving it halfway decent,

1:04:00.520 --> 1:04:02.600
<v Speaker 2>even with your three wood, you're gonna have an easy

1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:05.560
<v Speaker 2>shot into the green and a chance to make birdies,

1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:08.920
<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna run into a couple others. So you know,

1:04:09.120 --> 1:04:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I think, uh, I like, I like his game plan

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<v Speaker 2>this year of he's coming in late, coming in I

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<v Speaker 2>think Tuesday, he's skipping the par three. He's done his

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<v Speaker 2>prep work this week that now it's uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Poppy might be happy. I've got a daughter about the

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<v Speaker 2>same age. Poppy might be happier getting to sit in

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<v Speaker 2>front of a TV and watch TV. I love that.

1:04:39.280 --> 1:04:39.960
<v Speaker 1>It's the best.

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<v Speaker 2>So I I like the I like the strategy that

1:04:44.480 --> 1:04:47.560
<v Speaker 2>he's he's employing this year where it seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>he's approaching it more like just another tournament. And I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're looking for positive science at the players,

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<v Speaker 2>he made a ton of birdies, and I think that's

1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:02.720
<v Speaker 2>that's valuable for some by That's what Rory's secret sauce is,

1:05:02.720 --> 1:05:05.920
<v Speaker 2>is that the guy can make more birdies than anybody

1:05:05.920 --> 1:05:09.080
<v Speaker 2>else in the world when it's going. Now, the flip

1:05:09.120 --> 1:05:11.560
<v Speaker 2>side is he made a ton of big numbers, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's been the Achilles heel all year has been the

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<v Speaker 2>big numbers, the big mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>But they kind of go hand in hand, don't they.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're gonna if you plan that aggressively, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make a ton of birdies, but you're gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>six and sevens as well, which he does more than

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<v Speaker 1>any great player I've ever seen. And that's what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's gonna make birdies. He's gonna make birdies regardless.

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<v Speaker 1>And as far as the prep goes and playing nine

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<v Speaker 1>holes and not playing the part three or playing and

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<v Speaker 1>not playing the week before, I don't actually even care

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<v Speaker 1>about any of that. I care more about what is

1:05:44.920 --> 1:05:49.400
<v Speaker 1>he gonna do on Thursday when it matters. He needs

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<v Speaker 1>to not play as aggressively. He needs to let the

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<v Speaker 1>golf course come to him and open up for him

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<v Speaker 1>and just play every shot on its own merit without

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<v Speaker 1>like when the whole location is on the left corner

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<v Speaker 1>on three, dump it out to thirty feet right when

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<v Speaker 1>the whole location is back right on four, hit it

1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:14.720
<v Speaker 1>forty feet in the middle of the green and make

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<v Speaker 1>a par and get out there. When the whole location

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<v Speaker 1>is back right on five, hit it towards the bunker

1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and put up the hill from thirty feet. Those are

1:06:23.840 --> 1:06:28.520
<v Speaker 1>not birdy opportunities, make pars. Wait till you get to

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<v Speaker 1>a spot where you can actually be aggressive, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is on the par fives, and it's in a couple

1:06:34.920 --> 1:06:39.120
<v Speaker 1>of situations to easier whole locations on the threes and fours.

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<v Speaker 1>But let the golf course come to you. You are

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<v Speaker 1>that good. You don't need to do anything special, just

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<v Speaker 1>just play normal golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. And to go to the next guy

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<v Speaker 2>on my list, Yeah, guy that plays baby normal golf

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<v Speaker 2>better than anybody in the world, who's hitting the ball

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<v Speaker 2>better than anybody in the world, is Scotti Scheffler.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's my number one storyline.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously. He comes into this with win win second on

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, really an eighteen months plus run where

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<v Speaker 2>the ball striking has been at a level that only

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<v Speaker 2>has been matched by Tiger Woods. I think the big

1:07:27.280 --> 1:07:30.280
<v Speaker 2>question is for me is going to be. Is the

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<v Speaker 2>putter a band aid or has a new putter changed

1:07:34.600 --> 1:07:38.400
<v Speaker 2>his the way he puts, because in the last few years,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the putter's been It's been a stroke

1:07:41.960 --> 1:07:45.440
<v Speaker 2>slash mental thing, and I just you know, it's one putt.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do wonder about that putt at Houston and

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<v Speaker 2>how it sticks with him. If he puts average, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a hard time believing that anybody's going to beat him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if he puts average, generally it's over. That's all

1:08:02.200 --> 1:08:07.640
<v Speaker 1>he needs is to not lose strokes. The put on

1:08:07.680 --> 1:08:10.960
<v Speaker 1>eighteen on Sunday bothered me too. I know there's a

1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:14.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of pressure that he's running on high confidence right now,

1:08:15.520 --> 1:08:19.559
<v Speaker 1>but he's supposed to make that putt. And when people

1:08:19.600 --> 1:08:23.439
<v Speaker 1>throw these comparisons with the Tiger like run, Tiger like

1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:26.639
<v Speaker 1>ball striking, let me tell you what Tiger would have done.

1:08:26.720 --> 1:08:29.040
<v Speaker 1>He would have buried that put he would have been

1:08:29.160 --> 1:08:33.559
<v Speaker 1>dancing around the green giving upper cut fist pumps, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he would have birdied the first playoff hole to

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<v Speaker 1>win the Houston Open. So you know, it's always tricky

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<v Speaker 1>when you make these comparisons because we want to see

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<v Speaker 1>another Tiger so badly because we had so much fun. Well,

1:08:46.960 --> 1:08:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I was getting my brains beat in by him, but

1:08:49.120 --> 1:08:56.400
<v Speaker 1>as golf fans so much fun watching this extraordinary athlete.

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<v Speaker 2>I go back to the three putt also that in

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<v Speaker 2>that tournament, there's two two putting moments that why did

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<v Speaker 2>as in one three in a row? And I listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want this to come across as nitpicky, but

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<v Speaker 2>when you get when you're the best player in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what analyzing the best player in the world becomes.

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<v Speaker 2>You see all the shots, you see the moments, and

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<v Speaker 2>and there's you know, that field at Houston is an

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<v Speaker 2>event that the you know, the greats of all time

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<v Speaker 2>win those events. It's you're expected to and it's it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I look at the putt on eighteen, the

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<v Speaker 2>day that he three putted, people are brushing it off

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<v Speaker 2>as that short putt was was just a lapse in concentration.

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<v Speaker 2>A that doesn't happen with Tiger if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>do the Tiger comparisons. But b I think that was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the putt. That's that's the thing that he's

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<v Speaker 2>been struggling with, where that putter face opens a little

1:09:55.400 --> 1:09:58.000
<v Speaker 2>bit and you miss those putts on the right. If

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<v Speaker 2>you watch that short the putter faces open and then

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<v Speaker 2>the flip side of when you're when you're having that problem,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know on short putts I that face, I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't release it, I don't square it. Then what

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<v Speaker 2>happens is that you you have that pull, that soft pull.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what that putt on eighteen was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a soft pole the putt to tie.

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<v Speaker 1>The backswing looked so short and rushed to me in

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<v Speaker 1>real time. I hadn't. I haven't watched it again, so

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<v Speaker 1>I will go ahead and say that. But I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching live, and you know, if I was on the call,

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<v Speaker 1>I said it out loud. As soon as I watched

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<v Speaker 1>the putt, I said to my son, how short was

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<v Speaker 1>that backswing? Like it was? There was almost no backswing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he was like trying to find the face

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<v Speaker 1>through impact and for a right to left putt to

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<v Speaker 1>have that thing looked like it started kind of inside left.

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<v Speaker 1>If we're being generous, maybe more left edge. It show

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't pretty. But let's switch this to the positive side.

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<v Speaker 1>Six out of his last seven events he has been

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<v Speaker 1>positive strokes gained putting for the week okay, And since

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone to this mallet in these three events, he's

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<v Speaker 1>been positive strokes gained putting, and we just touched on

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<v Speaker 1>if he can keep that around average for the week.

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<v Speaker 1>There's probably only three guys that have a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>beat him. It's Kepka, mclroy and Ron So it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to see. The other thing that is just so

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<v Speaker 1>amazing about him is his demeanor and his mental outlook

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<v Speaker 1>and approach. You know a lot of people out there

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<v Speaker 1>say that it's not exciting and he doesn't show enough

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<v Speaker 1>personality and what have you, and I can see that

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<v Speaker 1>side of it. I mean, it's attainment at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day for fans, but gosh, it's solid, man,

1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:09.360
<v Speaker 1>it's solid. He doesn't get too high, he doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>too low. And when you start coming to major championship

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<v Speaker 1>golf when it is draining physically, emotionally, mentally, to have

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of mental approach that Scott he does. In

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways, it's how Brooks is at the majors.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, those guys are able to conserve so much

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<v Speaker 1>more energy and keep some gas in the tank for

1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:42.800
<v Speaker 1>just in case they're really going to need to do

1:12:42.840 --> 1:12:46.639
<v Speaker 1>something special with nine holes to play. His mental approach

1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:49.479
<v Speaker 1>is it's on the money. It is on the money.

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<v Speaker 1>The way he handles the media, the way he answers

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<v Speaker 1>the questions, the way he never beats himself up, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really really good.

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<v Speaker 2>He's he's an extraordinary player from if you just study,

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<v Speaker 2>He's how everybody who's played tournament golf would dream of

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<v Speaker 2>playing tournament golf. In terms of the way he maneuvers

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<v Speaker 2>a golf course. It's just I feel like he never

1:13:18.400 --> 1:13:23.040
<v Speaker 2>puts himself at undue risk. And what you said, I

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<v Speaker 2>there's like an aspect of tournament golf that doesn't get

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<v Speaker 2>talked about enough. Is stress management. Yeah, when you're playing around.

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<v Speaker 2>I think about Molinari's final round with Tiger in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>That final round, everybody is rooting for Tiger, and I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe off of sixth Green, it's like, when is this

1:13:46.560 --> 1:13:50.400
<v Speaker 2>guy going to make a bogie with like where he's been.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't playing well, but he was. He was pulling

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<v Speaker 2>together these pars and it looked like it just wasn't

1:13:57.280 --> 1:14:00.960
<v Speaker 2>going to stop. But the stress level on that was

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<v Speaker 2>so high through six holes, through nine holes, through twelve holes.

1:14:07.400 --> 1:14:10.320
<v Speaker 2>When you get all that stress, eventually you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>crack yep. And it's just you cannot play four rounds

1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:16.160
<v Speaker 2>of golf like that. You can't. It's hard to play

1:14:16.280 --> 1:14:20.000
<v Speaker 2>one round of golf where you are piecing it all together.

1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:23.080
<v Speaker 2>You're trying to, you know, get up and down here.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a five footer here, six footer here, seven

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<v Speaker 2>footer here for par. And what Scotty does so well

1:14:28.880 --> 1:14:32.280
<v Speaker 2>is with the demeanor, with never getting too high, never

1:14:32.320 --> 1:14:35.519
<v Speaker 2>getting too low, and the way he plays a golf course.

1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:40.519
<v Speaker 2>He just never puts himself into too many situations, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And really the situations that have been the crux of

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<v Speaker 2>his issue is like I have four feet for par

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<v Speaker 2>the last you know, year and a half, that's been

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<v Speaker 2>his stressor. It's not been anything te to green. And

1:14:53.680 --> 1:14:57.400
<v Speaker 2>part of it is unbelievable striking the ball. The other

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<v Speaker 2>part of it is what we talked about with Rory

1:14:59.439 --> 1:15:04.200
<v Speaker 2>is not putting himself into positions to have big numbers.

1:15:05.240 --> 1:15:10.000
<v Speaker 1>His course management is it's awesome. It's the best out

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<v Speaker 1>there right now. Out of this crop of players that

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<v Speaker 1>are playing at the highest level right now, Scheffler has

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<v Speaker 1>the best course management strategy understanding of where to put

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<v Speaker 1>the ball, understanding of when to hit what shots. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>think about that eighteenth hole at the Players. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks ago, how he gears down to the three word.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, everyone always talks about the go to fade. Nope,

1:15:39.400 --> 1:15:42.360
<v Speaker 1>he turns a little high right to left, three word,

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<v Speaker 1>right down the right half perfect wedge to fifteen feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit a pretty good putt there and that didn't go in.

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<v Speaker 1>But the guy is, he's the man right now. He

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<v Speaker 1>is the best player in the world. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's particularly close at this point, and with how good

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<v Speaker 1>his iron play is, and how good his iron play

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<v Speaker 1>has been for going on three years. If we circle

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<v Speaker 1>all the way back to the beginning of this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>and hoping for firm and fast, if it gets firm

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<v Speaker 1>and fast, with the control that he has over shape,

1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:24.520
<v Speaker 1>trajectory and spin with his irons, he will be extremely

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<v Speaker 1>hard to beat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, he's I think he's the favorite, and

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<v Speaker 2>for all intensive purposes, it's hard to see how you

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<v Speaker 2>could pick somebody else given the run. The floor, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>like the thing that's crazy with Scheffler is like the

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<v Speaker 2>floor is if he if he plays bad, he's fourth

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<v Speaker 2>or fifth or sixth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, last year he was. Last year, I believe he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wanting to say tied for tenth and dead last

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<v Speaker 1>in putting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It's it's insane stuff. Last one

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<v Speaker 2>before we get you out of here, this is I. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you got one more? What's yours?

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<v Speaker 1>You go? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a list of players, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's insane that the fourth ranked player in the

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<v Speaker 2>world is playing his first Masters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think we're we're on the we're on the

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<v Speaker 1>same the same thing here. So let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's like the fourth ranked player in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Has this ever happened where we've had a top five

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<v Speaker 2>player making their debut at the Masters?

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<v Speaker 1>Shucks, not that I can recall.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've got two guys in the top ten to

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<v Speaker 2>the top ten players in the world, and I I

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<v Speaker 2>don't this goes to some of the problems with the

1:17:44.240 --> 1:17:47.360
<v Speaker 2>world rankings right now, but I would have a hard

1:17:47.400 --> 1:17:51.759
<v Speaker 2>time believing there'd be more than maybe maybe Jackie Neeman

1:17:51.840 --> 1:17:54.160
<v Speaker 2>and Cam Smith are two players that could be in

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<v Speaker 2>the top ten, you know, but in Brooks so there's

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<v Speaker 2>three players maybe, but two of the top twelve players

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<v Speaker 2>in the game right now are our first timers at Augusta.

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<v Speaker 2>It's insane. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. And so this was my number four storyline.

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<v Speaker 1>So you and I were thinking along the same lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen seventy nine, the famous Fuzzy Zella playoff win is

1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:25.080
<v Speaker 1>the last time that the first time will won the Masters.

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<v Speaker 1>But these two have a shot. These two have a

1:18:28.600 --> 1:18:33.920
<v Speaker 1>legitimate shot. Awesome players. Wyndam Clark has in the last

1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:38.360
<v Speaker 1>year turned into like a big game hunter. You know,

1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:43.479
<v Speaker 1>he does not win small events like he wins on

1:18:43.640 --> 1:18:48.200
<v Speaker 1>tough golf courses against the best players. You think of LACC,

1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:51.280
<v Speaker 1>you think of the Wells Fargo, you think of the

1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:55.559
<v Speaker 1>sixty at Pebble. I know we didn't have a final

1:18:55.640 --> 1:19:00.160
<v Speaker 1>round there, but still this guy wins big time tournaments

1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:02.360
<v Speaker 1>and was obviously right in the mix with Scutty at

1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:03.599
<v Speaker 1>API and players.

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<v Speaker 2>So guy, the guy has some gas off his tea.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it gets talked about enough, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was out with his group with Rory and at Genesis.

1:19:16.280 --> 1:19:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean there were a few times where he hit

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<v Speaker 2>it ten to fifteen past Rory. Yeah, there are other

1:19:21.520 --> 1:19:23.719
<v Speaker 2>times where I mean like I think into the wind

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<v Speaker 2>Rory had a better ballflayer, he might spin up a

1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:29.080
<v Speaker 2>little bit more. But I mean, I don't think he

1:19:29.120 --> 1:19:32.040
<v Speaker 2>gets enough credit for how long he is, like pro

1:19:32.680 --> 1:19:34.360
<v Speaker 2>prodigious length off the tee.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think when they are both just cruising with

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<v Speaker 1>the driver, which is different to meremmortals cruising, But when

1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:44.880
<v Speaker 1>they're both just cruising, Windham has probably got two or

1:19:44.880 --> 1:19:49.240
<v Speaker 1>three more miles an hour ball speed than Rory. He

1:19:49.280 --> 1:19:51.720
<v Speaker 1>gets up into that you know, one eight six, one

1:19:51.760 --> 1:19:54.880
<v Speaker 1>eight seven, one eight eight, which Rory has, but he

1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:59.240
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really get to that too often on the course.

1:19:59.280 --> 1:20:02.200
<v Speaker 1>He's more in the eight three eight four zone. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one thing that is my concern with Wyndham

1:20:05.640 --> 1:20:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Clark at Augusta National because there's a few times during

1:20:10.040 --> 1:20:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the round he's gonna need to at the very least

1:20:14.160 --> 1:20:17.840
<v Speaker 1>have a straight drive, whereas even though he bombs at

1:20:17.840 --> 1:20:19.840
<v Speaker 1>a mile, he puts quite a lot of curve from

1:20:19.960 --> 1:20:23.200
<v Speaker 1>left to right on it with the driver. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a few times I'm thinking of two, I'm thinking of nine,

1:20:27.120 --> 1:20:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of thirteen, I'm thinking of fourteen, where if

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<v Speaker 1>the ball starts to leak to the right, he's not

1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:36.080
<v Speaker 1>going to have much space. Yeah, but ten he can

1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:39.920
<v Speaker 1>just erope the three wood or even a driving iron

1:20:40.040 --> 1:20:42.720
<v Speaker 1>for as far as he hits the ball. So ten

1:20:43.840 --> 1:20:48.719
<v Speaker 1>is like a tennis like a specialty shot. It's almost

1:20:48.760 --> 1:20:51.800
<v Speaker 1>like when you're behind a tree and you know you've

1:20:51.800 --> 1:20:54.400
<v Speaker 1>got to hit a twenty yard hook. That t shot

1:20:54.479 --> 1:20:57.639
<v Speaker 1>is like a specialty shot. Guys generally find a way

1:20:57.960 --> 1:21:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to pull it off. Some of those others that are

1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:04.800
<v Speaker 1>a bit more subtle that I mentioned, he's gonna have

1:21:04.800 --> 1:21:08.320
<v Speaker 1>to be careful not to run out down the right

1:21:08.320 --> 1:21:11.719
<v Speaker 1>hand side and get him get himself into some trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>But he has proved to us he is not scared.

1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:19.479
<v Speaker 1>He's got the guts, He has a ton of self belief.

1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:24.280
<v Speaker 1>His mental game is as good as anybody's out there

1:21:24.400 --> 1:21:27.760
<v Speaker 1>right now. It's wonderful to watch him to see how

1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:32.080
<v Speaker 1>quickly he bounces back mentally from bad shots and gets

1:21:32.120 --> 1:21:36.400
<v Speaker 1>on with it. He he's gonna going to be an

1:21:36.400 --> 1:21:38.720
<v Speaker 1>interesting one to watch there being a first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that. And then Lodwig obviously great driver.

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<v Speaker 2>Something you were saying when I was thinking. One thing

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about is like it's been etched into

1:21:52.120 --> 1:21:56.760
<v Speaker 2>our brain how important distances at Augusta National, And it's

1:21:56.880 --> 1:22:02.600
<v Speaker 2>important everywhere, But I think this of players. Almost everybody's

1:22:02.720 --> 1:22:07.880
<v Speaker 2>long enough, plenty long to play there, and it's become

1:22:07.920 --> 1:22:09.799
<v Speaker 2>an underrated control course.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Look for me, I've always thought that it was

1:22:13.640 --> 1:22:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a second a second shot approach play, elite level approach

1:22:19.080 --> 1:22:21.880
<v Speaker 1>play that is going to win you the Masters. You

1:22:21.880 --> 1:22:24.760
<v Speaker 1>know you've got to drive the ball. Well, don't get

1:22:24.760 --> 1:22:28.280
<v Speaker 1>me wrong, but you can get away with some things.

1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:30.720
<v Speaker 1>And there's certain areas where you have a bit of

1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:35.759
<v Speaker 1>space to where it's not mega intimidating, like old school

1:22:35.880 --> 1:22:38.120
<v Speaker 1>US opens that I used to play, where we had

1:22:38.160 --> 1:22:42.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty yard wide fairways an eight inch rough. It's not

1:22:42.840 --> 1:22:45.760
<v Speaker 1>like that. You can conjure up shots from out of

1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:49.919
<v Speaker 1>pine straw. You can, you know, hit some running shots

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<v Speaker 1>out of the second cut. You have some options if

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<v Speaker 1>you hit some squirrely t shots. But high level approach

1:22:57.640 --> 1:23:02.080
<v Speaker 1>play is the thing that really gives you a good

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<v Speaker 1>shot at Augusta National.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my concern with Ludwig.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that stats wise, he's it's not his strength.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that the Ryder Cup is what sticks with me.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of uneven lies, a lot of you know

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<v Speaker 2>where I don't. I wasn't out there, but some of

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<v Speaker 2>the terrain I thought was was actually kind of similar

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<v Speaker 2>with the Master with Augusta National in the sense of

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<v Speaker 2>like the severity, and I just thought under the gun

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<v Speaker 2>in intense pressure. The thing that I walked away from

1:23:37.160 --> 1:23:39.800
<v Speaker 2>that event going was the approach play has a lot

1:23:40.080 --> 1:23:42.519
<v Speaker 2>a long way to go, And that's my concern with

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm less concerned with the approach play and a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more concerned with the putting for him. And

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<v Speaker 1>here's why. He seems to put rarely aggressively speed wise,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've just never seen anybody have too much luck

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<v Speaker 1>with that at Augusta National especially you know, when I

1:24:11.880 --> 1:24:15.559
<v Speaker 1>watch him hit three four five footers, I mean he's

1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:18.040
<v Speaker 1>shrinking the hole. Man. It thing has got a ton

1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:21.040
<v Speaker 1>of speed on it, and the edges are so sharp

1:24:21.160 --> 1:24:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and the greens get so fast that if you put

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of speed on one and it rooms out

1:24:27.880 --> 1:24:30.120
<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna have five to six feet coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, where the holes are. The holes are on these

1:24:33.400 --> 1:24:36.439
<v Speaker 2>little tricky spots where it's like this little like knoll

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<v Speaker 2>where where the ball runs away in all these directions,

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<v Speaker 2>So it amplifies the.

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<v Speaker 1>Miss totally, totally.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we got we got through our five things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>who's your pick to win?

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<v Speaker 1>Scheffler?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's it's hard not to pick Sheffler.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hard not to.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really hard not to hit the run that he's on.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, the mental approach. He's not going to tie

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<v Speaker 1>himself up and knots this week when he's at home,

1:25:06.640 --> 1:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's probably out he loves playing pickleball and tennis,

1:25:11.160 --> 1:25:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and he's probably out there just having a good time

1:25:13.439 --> 1:25:16.680
<v Speaker 1>with his buddies and doing a little practice. He's not

1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:22.559
<v Speaker 1>gonna get all wound up. He's just so cool, so calm.

1:25:22.960 --> 1:25:25.960
<v Speaker 1>He's the best iron player in the game. Hits the

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<v Speaker 1>ball a mile, he works it both ways, off the

1:25:29.080 --> 1:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>tee if he needs it. He has the experience of

1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:37.760
<v Speaker 1>winning there, he's coming in winning two massive tournaments. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just so hard, so hard to pick anybody other than him.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's Trevor Immelman, lead analyst, Will hear you

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<v Speaker 2>on the telecast congratul on the start of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>I think CBS has been has taken. What they've built

1:25:55.080 --> 1:25:57.320
<v Speaker 2>the last few years is just you guys have done

1:25:57.360 --> 1:25:59.240
<v Speaker 2>such a great job, and this year you've made the

1:25:59.240 --> 1:26:02.320
<v Speaker 2>coverage even by and I can't wait to see what

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<v Speaker 2>you guys have up your sleeve for this year's Masters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Thanks Andy, We are so excited. The team has

1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:13.840
<v Speaker 1>been in constant contact throughout this peroge. You know, we're

1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:16.240
<v Speaker 1>a little likely run. We've only had three events so

1:26:16.360 --> 1:26:19.640
<v Speaker 1>far this season and the Sunday of Pebble Beach was

1:26:20.720 --> 1:26:21.879
<v Speaker 1>rained out, so.

1:26:22.880 --> 1:26:25.400
<v Speaker 2>You're in a similar sessions the situation round.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. We're chomping at the bit. We're ready to

1:26:28.520 --> 1:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>get down there and have an amazing week. It's a

1:26:32.880 --> 1:26:35.120
<v Speaker 1>huge week for us at CBS, if you don't mind

1:26:35.160 --> 1:26:41.160
<v Speaker 1>me saying this. You know, our chairman Sean McManus is

1:26:41.280 --> 1:26:45.760
<v Speaker 1>retiring and this is his final event as chairman of

1:26:45.800 --> 1:26:48.760
<v Speaker 1>CBS Sports. Is his twenty eighth Masters. He took over

1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:54.240
<v Speaker 1>in ninety seven. He's been an unbelievable leader. And then

1:26:54.640 --> 1:27:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Vern Lundquist is retiring. This will be his fortieth Masters.

1:26:59.400 --> 1:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>The amazing calls, historic calls at Augusta National have been

1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>made by Vern. So it's a huge week for us

1:27:08.400 --> 1:27:12.720
<v Speaker 1>to to get down to Augusta and the Mastas and

1:27:12.760 --> 1:27:14.559
<v Speaker 1>then we go on a long run all the way

1:27:14.680 --> 1:27:16.439
<v Speaker 1>through the regular season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I it's it's gonna be. It's gonna be sad. Uh,

1:27:21.800 --> 1:27:25.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think obviously Sean's in the background, but Uh,

1:27:25.600 --> 1:27:28.559
<v Speaker 2>with Vern, it's gonna be it's gonna be tough. And

1:27:28.600 --> 1:27:32.360
<v Speaker 2>I haven't Vern after this year. He's especially. I mean,

1:27:33.000 --> 1:27:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I think, like the greats really age well, and he's

1:27:37.040 --> 1:27:40.599
<v Speaker 2>aged so gracefully with with the calls. You know, they

1:27:40.640 --> 1:27:43.559
<v Speaker 2>aren't always as sharp as they once were, but they are.

1:27:43.840 --> 1:27:46.519
<v Speaker 2>They are so memorable, and he's just got he's just

1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:50.600
<v Speaker 2>got a voice and a timing for the moment, you know.

1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:53.120
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what all the greats have, is

1:27:53.160 --> 1:27:57.439
<v Speaker 2>that that ability to say the thing that you're feeling

1:27:57.560 --> 1:28:01.400
<v Speaker 2>that you would never yourself be able to pull out

1:28:01.439 --> 1:28:02.040
<v Speaker 2>into words.

1:28:02.680 --> 1:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He he's a legend. He is a legend. He's

1:28:07.840 --> 1:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>a Jack Nicholas, He's a Tiger Woods. He's an Arnold Palmer.

1:28:11.520 --> 1:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Like in broadcasting, you know, he's up there. He is

1:28:16.960 --> 1:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>up there, and I always have this little chuckle. We

1:28:20.800 --> 1:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>did a media call the other day and he was

1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:29.160
<v Speaker 1>telling the story about what was going through his mind

1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:33.719
<v Speaker 1>before he made the call on seventeen in nineteen eighty

1:28:33.760 --> 1:28:37.400
<v Speaker 1>six when Jack made that putt, and he said, as

1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>he was sort of trying to figure out what his

1:28:39.439 --> 1:28:42.360
<v Speaker 1>strategy was going to be, you know, as Jack was

1:28:42.400 --> 1:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>playing the seventeenth hole, he said, he came up with

1:28:46.000 --> 1:28:50.599
<v Speaker 1>the idea keep it simple and get your butt out

1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>of the way. And I was thinking to myself, you know,

1:28:55.840 --> 1:29:01.560
<v Speaker 1>that's somebody that really understood the moment. We're at the Masters.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the greatest player to ever live. He's forty

1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:09.479
<v Speaker 1>six years old, he's about to and trying to win

1:29:09.560 --> 1:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>his sixth Green jacket. There is no need for an

1:29:13.080 --> 1:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>announcer to be filling the air up with whatever. Keep

1:29:17.280 --> 1:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>it simple and get your butt out of the way.

1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>And that that's Vernon in a nutshell. He's just a legend.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that is an amazing piece of advice

1:29:29.720 --> 1:29:34.160
<v Speaker 2>in general. Yeah, for life, keep it simple, get out

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<v Speaker 2>of the way. If you just followed that for the

1:29:37.240 --> 1:29:39.120
<v Speaker 2>rest of your life, I feel like you get into

1:29:39.160 --> 1:29:39.799
<v Speaker 2>a good spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, all right, but awesome to join you man,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much. I'm a huge fan of the pod.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what you do here at the fried egg

1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and shotgunstart and all the other different bits and pieces

1:29:53.040 --> 1:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>you guys have got going.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Trevor. I'm I'm looking forward to seeing you

1:29:57.360 --> 1:30:00.479
<v Speaker 2>next week in Augusta, so I'll see you there, and

1:30:01.600 --> 1:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for coming on. Big time fan, So.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I have a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>All right again, big thanks to Trevor. I can't thank

1:30:18.840 --> 1:30:21.559
<v Speaker 2>him enough for coming on and doing this. I know

1:30:21.640 --> 1:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>he's super busy with all the things he does the

1:30:25.200 --> 1:30:27.679
<v Speaker 2>week of the Masters, that this was a real treat

1:30:27.720 --> 1:30:30.839
<v Speaker 2>to get him on. Big thanks to Matt Rushes for

1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:34.320
<v Speaker 2>editing and producing this podcast, especially while he's been on

1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:37.120
<v Speaker 2>the road. He's been doing a big tour of South

1:30:37.160 --> 1:30:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Carolina golf and a lot of that stuff that he's

1:30:39.960 --> 1:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>been touring. We're gonna have write ups in Club TFE

1:30:42.800 --> 1:30:46.799
<v Speaker 2>in the near future from this South Carolina trip. Also

1:30:47.120 --> 1:30:50.120
<v Speaker 2>just kind of coming soon. In Club TFE, I've got

1:30:50.200 --> 1:30:53.559
<v Speaker 2>two profiles that I'm finishing up, one of which is

1:30:53.600 --> 1:30:57.880
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1:31:39.840 --> 1:31:43.080
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1:31:43.200 --> 1:31:48.959
<v Speaker 2>Beltray a great Tom Simpson design in Ireland. So Beltray

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1:31:55.439 --> 1:31:57.760
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<v Speaker 2>thanks and uh, I can't wait for Masters coverage. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope everybody's got great Master's plans and we'll be back.

1:32:24.160 --> 1:32:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Garret and I are are recording a podcasts actually on Sunday,

1:32:29.040 --> 1:32:31.400
<v Speaker 2>the day you're listening to the day this episode came out.

1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:33.960
<v Speaker 2>We're recording a podcast for later in the week that

1:32:34.040 --> 1:32:36.479
<v Speaker 2>we'll be We'll be going through each hole at augusta

1:32:36.560 --> 1:32:39.680
<v Speaker 2>National ranking them one through one through eighteen will be

1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:42.640
<v Speaker 2>a fun, fun exercise. I'm excited to see where we

1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:47.639
<v Speaker 2>differ and UH and where we align. So thanks and UH,

1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:50.479
<v Speaker 2>and I hope everybody, I hope we have a great masters.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope everybody has a great master. The