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Speaker 1: Trust me. Trust me. I'm like a swat person. I've

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Speaker 1: never lived to you, do you think.

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Speaker 2: That one person has all the answers? Don't welcome to

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Speaker 2: trust Me? The podcast about Colt's extreme belief and the

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Speaker 2: abuse of power from two broads who've actually experienced it.

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Speaker 2: I am Lola Blanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth and today

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Speaker 2: our guest is once again Horado Lopez. He's a gang

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Speaker 2: interventionist and former member of the notorious gang MS thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you've seen his TEDx talk or the short documentary

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Speaker 2: about his life called Clever, But if not, here's the deal.

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Speaker 3: Last week we talked about how.

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Speaker 2: He joined a gang in Los Angeles and what life

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Speaker 2: was like as a member, getting rested all the time.

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Speaker 2: And this week he's going to tell us about how

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Speaker 2: he began attending a support group for former gang members

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Speaker 2: called Homi Sounidos, which he still works with, and how

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Speaker 2: the late Senator Tom Hayden, one of the Chicago Seven,

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Speaker 2: actually took him under his wing and showed him a

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Speaker 2: new way that he could get respect, power and pride

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Speaker 2: without committing any crime. And the harassment he experienced by

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Speaker 2: the LAPD in the era of the Rampart scandal, but

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Speaker 2: then his story takes a wild turn.

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Speaker 4: We'll learn about how he started a new life in

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Speaker 4: Colorado and began working with at risk youth, only to

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Speaker 4: be suddenly arrested on a federal warrant, accused of starting

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Speaker 4: a new MS thirteen chapter in Colorado, and sent to prison.

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Speaker 4: Stay tuned also to learn how he fought to be

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Speaker 2: Whoo, that is quite an intro, so quick note here.

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Speaker 2: The story sounds kind of unbelievable when you're listening to it,

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Speaker 2: but you can check out a whole list of new

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Speaker 2: sources back the whole thing up on Herado's page at

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Speaker 2: homiesonitos dot org. Thought I would shout that out just

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Speaker 2: to preface that this this episode is interesting because I

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Speaker 2: feel like last week we started out exploring the cult

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Speaker 2: like qualities of this gang, but by the end of it,

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Speaker 2: it really feels like a window into the cult like

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Speaker 3: So we will well, well you guys will hear more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, before we get into it, Megan, please won't you

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Speaker 2: enlighten us as to the culture thing that happy this week?

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Speaker 3: Well, per usue.

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Speaker 4: Not a lot happening in this COVID life. But I

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Speaker 4: don't know if we talked about this before. I have

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Speaker 4: a friend. Even if we did, she won't stop going

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Speaker 4: back to the same guy. Ever, It's just like break up,

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Speaker 4: so cult cult cult.

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Speaker 4: I got a couple of friends like that, and I mean,

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Speaker 4: she's a good friend. So it's just like I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: like it's come stay with me for a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 4: like let's do this and then just back to the

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Speaker 1: Ye.

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Speaker 2: Don't you just want to shake them and be like,

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Speaker 2: come on, it's so much better yep on the outside.

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Speaker 4: But you know, you gotta gotta respect their uh once,

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Speaker 2: They're free agency? Yeah, I know, yes, yes, I know,

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Speaker 4: But are they If they're dating a narcissist, do they

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Speaker 3: Is she dating a narcissist?

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Speaker 4: Wow, I didn't even know that was an option to

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Speaker 2: But Okay, to his credit, he goes to therapy twice

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Speaker 2: a week. But yeah, I'm for sure, I for sure

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Speaker 4: I will definitely be here to call it, shock you

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Speaker 4: back into Yeah, I'll type it for some support. What

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Speaker 3: What's culty over there?

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Speaker 2: Well, today I just kind of fell down a rabbit

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Speaker 2: Because I've gotten really interested in the placebo effect. I'm

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Speaker 3: But he'll have much more to say about it than

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Speaker 2: But I learned about this one researcher at Harvard named

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Speaker 2: Capchuk Somethingpchuk Captchuk. I don't know how you say it,

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Speaker 2: but basically he's done some really really interesting studies, and

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Speaker 2: So there was one study that split adults with IBS

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Speaker 2: So then then there was another study he did because

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Speaker 2: What if he simply told people that they were taking placebos?

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Speaker 2: So he did two groups. One group received no treatment

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Speaker 2: And the placebo where they were told it had healing effects,

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Speaker 2: Susceptible basically to the placebo effect, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I just thought that was so interesting because like

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Speaker 2: However, I will qualify that by saying, there was one

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Speaker 3: That's wild. I can't believe that, I know. I think

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Speaker 2: And the gene thing, like I'm like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, so hey, doctors, if you're listening, the method

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Speaker 3: Important than you thought it was.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it matters, not really cult, but but brain stuff,

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Speaker 3: I'm going down. I'm going down some holes right now.

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Speaker 4: I can't really think about it until i'm you know,

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Speaker 2: So, but yeah, that's the manner of placebo really matters.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think I think they're real, but I

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Speaker 3: True? True?

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Speaker 2: Although man, I never experienced that shit growing up in Mormonism, Like,

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Speaker 3: Maybe we're all just pretending, right.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I used to be a major daria about all of it,

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Speaker 4: and I mean obviously did not relate at.

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Speaker 3: All to my upbringing.

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Speaker 4: But then I had some crazy cool experiences where I

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Speaker 4: just love my stuff.

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Speaker 3: Now, I love it, I need it.

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Speaker 4: I know it's real. I know, I know for me

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Speaker 4: it's it's it's fucking awesome.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, your stuff, my stuff, You're uh your heroine.

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Speaker 4: My heroin, my medicine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well so speaking of drugs, oh, is this the good transition?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Speaking of drugs?

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Speaker 2: Pardo was arrested on some charges that related to drugs.

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Speaker 4: Unfairly arrested, Unfairly arrested, unfairly arrested.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy the show. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Survivor you, know when you got dropped out from a different,

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Speaker 1: Him it's CALLED Lapd. Blues it was ON msnbc With

436
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 1: Heroldo rivera When i'm telling them about these, gangs this police,

437
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: brutality and for, Me i'm really explaining this stuff nonchalantly

438
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: because it's stuff THAT i grew up seeing police brutality

439
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: and THAT i experienced and almost became like another day

440
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 1: in the. Office it was a few years after The

441
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: Rodney king beating by The sheriff's, department where you, know

442
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: the people in the hood were amazed that people outside

443
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 1: the hood were surprised that this happened to. Us it's

444
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: something that happened all the. Time it just got caught

445
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: on camera this. Time you, know we suit them and

446
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: the attention started to die. Out we ended up winning the,

447
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: lawsuit and these cops were camped outside my house all

448
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: the time because they knew WHERE i. Lived what the

449
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: hell they were just waiting? From they were taught me

450
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: all the, time Where's Tom, hayden where's the, news and where's?

451
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 2: Hero didn't they like have people who were actually committing,

452
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 2: Crimes LIKE i know that some cops are just fucked up,

453
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: people BUT i just can't even understand, It like you're

454
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: clearly in a new era of your, Life like what

455
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: is the?

456
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: Point what did they even?

457
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: Want, well you, know it goes back to the situation

458
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: where they were operating like a gang themselves and they

459
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: want to get paid. Back, Right it's like a gang

460
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: find against a. Bag you did something, harm it's our.

461
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: Turn and especially if that those certain police officers were

462
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: assigned to patrol that. Neighborhood Crash Community resources AGAs street.

463
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: Equivalms that was the gang. Unit this was like in

464
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: the LATE i wonder if it was in the, eighties

465
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: But i'm definitely there in the. Nineties and we're talking

466
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: about ninety eight or ninety nine when this stuff. Happened

467
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: two thousand and THE lap, Said, okay we're going to

468
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: dismantle this crash. Unit so what they dismantled was just

469
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: the name and the patrol. Cars but it was the

470
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: same officers and different patrol.

471
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: Cars Jesus Christ real, Abected so that's what it.

472
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 1: Was it was always like, That AND i just had my,

473
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: son you, know my son's twenty. Now he was about

474
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: a year or two WHEN i had a friend that

475
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: moved To colorado AND i used to always tell, him,

476
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: man these, foods the cops they keep harassing. Me and

477
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: he told, me why don't you just move To? Colorado

478
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 1: And i'm, like what the fuck is In? Colorado? Trees

479
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: and you, know the first thing THAT i hear was,

480
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: like there's. Snow and the first time THAT i remember

481
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: was Watching Charlie Brown's White christmas WHEN i was a,

482
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: kid and there was snow coming down and me looking

483
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: outside the, window like In christmas time In la And,

484
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: koreatown and my mom was, asked what are you looking? For,

485
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: well It's. Christmas i'm waiting for it to. Snow should

486
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: we hear me behind the head in the? Snow that's a.

487
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: Cartoon this Is La SO i remember about the. Snow it's, like,

488
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: MAN i should just go To colorado BECAUSE i always

489
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: wanted to experience the. Snow SO i moved To. Colorado

490
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: you know when my son and my girlfriend we moved

491
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: here and it was snowing and running out and doing

492
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: snow angels in. Whatever so it was pretty. Cool and

493
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: THEN i ended up getting like a. Job THEN i

494
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: started going to college AND i graduated with a degree

495
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: in criminal, justice AND i started working in halfway house

496
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: institutions and mental health facilities to help out youth they're

497
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: experiencing that kind of went through the same stuff THAT

498
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: i went as a. Kid were probably in different levels

499
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: in different neighborhood that we grew. UP i moved over

500
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: here In colorado in two thousand and. Three then in

501
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and, NINE i was working part time at

502
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: this club as a. Bouncer and AFTER i got off of,

503
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: work they closed this highway and a cop stopped, me, like,

504
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: man WAS i speaking to what was going? On he stopped,

505
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: me and then there was all kinds of different patrol

506
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: cars AND fbi suits And i'm like what is? This

507
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: and he's, like you're a federal war like federal role

508
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: and what the heck is? That and then The feds

509
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: they picked me up and they questioned me for, like,

510
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: man it was like six hours or seven, hours saying

511
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: THAT i moved To colorado to START ms, thirteen THAT

512
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: i was the leader OF mmes, thirteen THAT i was drug,

513
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: trafficking THAT i was this, mastermind and throughout my whole,

514
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: Time i'm, like what the? Hell it seems, surreal, right

515
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: it seemed like there's really seemed like life was a.

516
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: Simulation BUT i was, like what are they talking? About

517
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: and they wanted me to turn into an, informant to

518
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: wear a wire and go back to L. A oh,

519
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: NO i try to get information of criminal activities from

520
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: m Mass and then WHEN i denied to doing, that

521
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: they locked me up and they put me in a

522
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: facility right here In. Colorado and the next DAY i

523
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: was all over the. News THE ms thirteen gang leader

524
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: or one of them In colorado was. Arrested hell, wow

525
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: on what.

526
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: Evidence what do they think that they?

527
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: Have what the? Fuck, yeah, well you know it was

528
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: for drug conspiraits see and elicited use of the, phone

529
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: so it lists use of the phone is when they're

530
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: saying that you're talking about, drugs and the drug conspiracy

531
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: was saying THAT i was moving? Drugs so what happened with?

532
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: That how they framed? Me with that? Case there was

533
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: this group In, Aurura colorado that was allegedly selling drugs

534
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: and they were From Central. America so the police investigator

535
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: transformed them INTO ms thirteen members because they're From Central

536
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: america some of them and these people are from different,

537
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: gangs like from Eighteen street which IS ms rivals and

538
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: different types of. Gangs and THEN i found OUT i

539
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: started reading my paperwork that the lead officer was a

540
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: former rampart officer IN la so he followed. Me so

541
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: WHEN i was already talking in the media with Heroder

542
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: rivera and doing all those media, THINGS i was already

543
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: UNDER fbi investigation In. La, Right and this goes back

544
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: to people are familiar with cointratoral, right like then how

545
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: they broke up like movements in the nineteen, sixties they

546
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: infiltrated stuff they brought kinds of, Informants they locked up a,

547
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: leaders so a lot of these traditions from the. Government

548
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: he's very still alive to this, day, unfortunately and the

549
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: officer hit the fact from the wiretap judge or from

550
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: the judges over In colorado that he followed. Me he

551
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: never put the situation that he was sent to follow

552
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: me over. Here he started basically getting me in two

553
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: thousand and, six saying that he got information from an.

554
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: Informant it could be anybody THAT i came To colorado

555
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: START ms, thirteen and my paperwork would speak for, itself saying,

556
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: that you, Know i'm not sure who goes to a

557
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: certain state who start AN ms thirteen and go to

558
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: college to for a criminal justice degree starts helping gets

559
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: to get out of dangs, crazy not.

560
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: Multitask.

561
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah so the thing was that they started to bring.

562
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: Informants they knew THE ms, history and they PUT ms

563
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: tattoos on. Them there were, agents NOT fbi, agents but

564
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: somewhat agents working for, them like police informants WITH ms thirteen.

565
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: Tattoos they were from A, salavado SO i knew the

566
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: history Of salvador or the history Of. Korea TON mss

567
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: and all the, stories and they brought him to like

568
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: an apartment conference with one of my other friends lived,

569
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: there and he approached, that you, Know i'm FROM ms

570
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: and we just want a. Job there was a few

571
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: of us, here FORMER ms members were like six of

572
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: us that were just working in legitimate, jobs and you,

573
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: know we try to find him a job or he

574
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: didn't want a, job and all of a, sudden he

575
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: has his apartment and he's always inviting us to his.

576
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: Apartment and every time we go to this, apartment THERE'S

577
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: fbi cameras inside the apartment seeing what we're. Doing so

578
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: and all this surveillance that consists of us doing like

579
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: Barbecue scott In assalas and watching The dodgers and The

580
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: rockies play when they came into tell me and him

581
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: asking us about drugs and us telling, them what are

582
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: you talking? About SO i was just saying. BULLSHITTING i was, Like,

583
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: OH i don't know what are you talking. About we

584
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: trying to see what the hell this guy is or

585
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: who the hell sent. Him so in order for this

586
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: detective to frame me with this other, group he will

587
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: plant phone numbers of the other group in my trash

588
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: can to shoot to like the wire. Tap judges said

589
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: that we're in cohete with each, other AND i never

590
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: met these other. People and every thirty days he needs

591
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: an incriminating drug evidence for the wire tap on my

592
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: phone to. Continue so what he would? Do there's this.

593
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: Restaurant it was like being a mess, restaurant, Right he'll

594
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: call Fall they serve like, soups And i'm on the

595
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: phone one of my friends AND i tell him him

596
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: and let's go to Another vitnamese. Restaurant that waiter is

597
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: always messing up our. Order, Man let's go to one

598
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: like a few blocks. Away that one's much. Better we

599
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: were actually talking about, food but this, officer this former

600
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: rampart crash, officer said that because of his gang expertise

601
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: and police, Knowledge i'm actually the way That i'm talking

602
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: about is the drug Connect and the food That i'm

603
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: talking about THAT i don't like is actually the cocaine

604
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: of different. Quality, Right oh my, God And i'm talking

605
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: about my friends are bringing ten pounds of talking about ten.

606
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: Pounds he said that we're talking about ten pounds of.

607
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Cocaine so it consisted OF i couldn't say nothing of.

608
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: Anything everything, cold and everything.

609
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: Is drug and everything is a hit on a. Person

610
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: and the grand jury couldn't diet a ham SANDWHICH i,

611
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: mean that's a saying that's been going on for. Generations

612
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: and that's HOW i ended, up, yeah getting, indicted.

613
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: And you crat If i'm. Wrong so you did your

614
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: own paperwork in? Jail is?

615
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: That? So you? KNOW i was locked up for two

616
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: years and THERE i am locked, up and all of a,

617
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: SUDDEN i started to get this attention again of WHAT

618
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: i wanted WHEN i joined The amester. TEEN i was

619
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: porprased The mmester teen gang. Leader the CEOs are, saying,

620
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: woh this guy's The amester teen. Ganglers the, enemies whoh

621
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: the amesterteen. Gangliars right, there he's on the. News so

622
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: they're reading the newspaper just staring at me and pointing

623
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: at it like what the. Fuck it was. Crazy it

624
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: was like something out of The Twilight zone or something like.

625
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: That LIKE i wanted this WHEN i was like fourteen or,

626
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: fifteen now WHEN i was like thirty one at the, time,

627
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: right BUT i was, like this gotta be a. Mistake

628
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: there's no way that they could get away with, this

629
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: and yeah's my. Attorney SO i go to my bond,

630
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: hearing and my attorney comes and the first thing he

631
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: tells me is, LIKE i let you ten or fifteen.

632
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: Years just plead guilty or a cop of, deal and

633
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: just say all the information that you know what you

634
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: mean ten or fifteen? Years what do you mean ten fifteen?

635
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: Years you're not gonna walk on. This just tell me

636
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: the information. NOW i mean it was like a. Detective

637
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: tell me the. Names now he had the paper and

638
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: the pen and who's selling the drugs and. Everything because

639
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: The feds have a ninety nine percent conviction. Rate really,

640
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: YEAH i, mean The feds get, you you're pretty much.

641
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: Done it's a ninety five to ninety nine percent correction.

642
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: Rate.

643
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: Wow And i'm telling them everything THAT i just told,

644
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: you and he just doesn't believe, me or he just

645
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: doesn't want to file emotion. Hearing emotion hearing meaning that you,

646
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: know to back me up in, Court i'll say this

647
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: is a, lie or so As i'm talking to. Him

648
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: every time he came to visit, me it just consisted

649
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: of the same therapy session of him trying to get

650
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: me to give information ABOUT mmes thirteen and HOW i

651
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: was dealing dope and, DUDE i was not dealing. Dope

652
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: so after a WHILE i started to try to five,

653
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: him and it was. Impossible it's impossible to try to

654
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: fire an. Attorney it's almost. Impossible it is.

655
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: Like a public a public, defender well you.

656
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: Know it's a public. Defender but because my, case it

657
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: was one of the most expensive cases In colorado history to,

658
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: investigate they were investigate me for like about three or four.

659
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: Years they wasted millions of. Dollars i'm talking about, jets

660
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: airplanes going through my house THAT i didn't. KNOW i

661
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: would just see all these. Things AFTER i saw my,

662
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: discovery all the. Papers they appointed me not a public,

663
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: defender but you, know like attorney that had his own,

664
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: practice but they had to do certain pro bono cases every.

665
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: Year so that's WHAT i. Got but WHEN i started

666
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: to learn in the federal, system since it's a ninety

667
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: five percent conviction, rate attorneys don't want to climb that

668
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: mountain because when the fence got, you they've been investigating

669
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: you for a few. Years so they don't want to

670
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: go over one hundred thousands of pages of, discovery or

671
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: my thing had nineteen thousand wire tech. Calls they don't

672
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: want to go through all that. Stuff it's easier to

673
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: get you to roll on your friends or you, know

674
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: becoming a form or plak guilty or take a deal

675
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: instead of going through all that. Paperwork so nobody goes

676
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: to trial because the censusing guidance are too. High al

677
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: so either you take a plea for ten or fifteen,

678
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: years or you go to trial and lose and you

679
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: end up getting forty or fifty years because you waste

680
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: these resources to go to. Trial there's already a timetable

681
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: of what time they're supposed to give you, anyway so

682
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: they always hit you with the high end and you

683
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: go to trial and. Lose so that's why the conviction

684
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: rate is so, high where people get that deal of

685
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen years because it sounds so much better

686
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: of losing going to trial and get forty of fifty.

687
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: Years ninety something percent of the criminal cases in federal

688
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: court never go to. Trial they're always handled in the

689
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: lobbies of the federal court between prosecutors and defense. Attorneys

690
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: and this defense attorney AND i believe knew that the

691
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: prosecution really wanted me because they paraded me around the

692
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: news as The amester thirteen gang, leader and they were

693
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: through all these resources that they wanted to get a.

694
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: Conviction and sometimes attorneys also do these bargaining deals with

695
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: the prosecution for future bargaining deals where you do have

696
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: paying clients where you could get good deals for. Them

697
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: so it's almost like this thin line between love and

698
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: hate with each of. Them SO i was this pawn

699
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: THAT i believe that my attorney had right for them

700
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: where he was trying to serve me up to, them

701
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: and there was so much corruption just in the wire

702
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: tap stuff they like to the wire tap judge also

703
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: that they were already surveillance me before the wire tap my.

704
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 1: Phone in order for them to wire tap your, phone

705
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: you have to have absolutely no source of being able

706
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: to surveillance you in federal, court and that's why they

707
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: wire tapp your phone and everything THAT i, said for

708
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: instance and my bond hearing WHEN i initially got locked,

709
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: up they said THAT i went TO la to carry

710
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: out a, hit where in reality and the, Phone i'm

711
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: talking about a hit That i'm stopping from taking. Place

712
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: as having gang in trevention, EXPERIENCE i was able to

713
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: stop that hit from to take. Place but then again

714
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: this rampart former rapper crash officer twisted my words, around

715
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: AND i told my, attorney my first, attorney, hey so

716
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: who are you having to monitor these phone cause it

717
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: was a lot of them In, spanish switching on my,

718
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: words and he, said, WELL i have this high school

719
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: intern that Speaks spanish that's looking at all these, calls

720
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: and oh my, god and this agent you, know they

721
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: had THE ms tattoo that was drug dealing with this

722
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: other alleged drug trafficking thing that they got indicted as.

723
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: Well but he can't get no dope from. Me And

724
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: i'm telling HIM i don't have. None WH i don't do.

725
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: That they purposely made it for, him never to ask,

726
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: me why can't you get any dope from those people over,

727
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: there from the OTHER ms, People and right there on

728
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: that phone, CALL i would have definitely said who the

729
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: fuck are? They, right BECAUSE i never had any knowledge

730
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: of all of. Them SO i ended up firing this, attorney,

731
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: well actually didn't fire. Him he just dismissed himself from

732
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: the case BECAUSE i stopped accepting his. Visits and THEN

733
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: i got this other attorney AND i presented everything THAT

734
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: i told, you and right at the, top people tell, me,

735
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: hey you, coo ask all these motherfuckers around. Here i'm

736
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: not scared of the. Government i'm not scared of. THIS

737
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: i Was Kobe bryant is attorney here to call around

738
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: one And i'm like WHAT i was, Like, hell, yeah

739
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: no more locked. Doors let my people go, Right and

740
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: he's starting to file motions and hours already locked up

741
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: for about a year and a, half and then one

742
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: day he, says, OKAY i have the. Look they came

743
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: at you with a forty eight month. SENTENCE i advise

744
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: you to take the. Deal you've been locked, up you

745
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: know for almost two. Years you'll be out in six,

746
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: months or you go to, court and you already did

747
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: all these. Complaints. GUYS i was rutting complaints against the

748
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: judge BECAUSE i KNEW i was probably going to, lose

749
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: SO i wanted to put everything on paper of all

750
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: the mishaps and all the misconduct and the viol and

751
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: my due process rights in. Court and he's gonna give

752
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: you the maximum. Sensus if you go a, trial they're

753
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: going to see you with all THESE ms thirteen. Tattoos

754
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a white. Jury and back THEN i

755
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: had THE ms and my, NECK i don't, know you could.

756
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: See it's kind of, right it kind of lasered off

757
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: already could really see. It but they're gonna give you.

758
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: Life And i'm, like, man and he told, me you

759
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: got until twelve o'clock today to accept this deal forty

760
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: eight months for forty eight. Years AND i go to

761
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: my jail, cell you, know like, damn and AGAIN i

762
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: have all these attorneys during this. Time but at the

763
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: same TIME i was going pro, say like meaning THAT

764
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: i was still representing myself and doing all these court

765
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: motions because all these wire taps THAT i came across.

766
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: It i'm telling, YOU i started nineteen thousand wire tap

767
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: calls and saw all the manipulation from THE, fbi AND

768
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: i would present this stuff to my. Attorney for, instance

769
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: there was this one call where there was this friend

770
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: where after work from the, bar we went. Home we were,

771
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: Drinking we had some, beers AND i went to my

772
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: room and fell asleep and he was still partying. Downstairs

773
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: AND i left my phone myself on down, there and

774
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: he starts to call people on my phone from the.

775
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: Club he starts asking them for, drugs, right he starts

776
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: asking them for, cocaine and nobody's everybody's kind of like

777
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: shining them off and hanging up on. Them and then

778
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: the next DAY i get all these phone calls people telling, me,

779
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: hey so and so was asking me for, this AND

780
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: i was a pom. Sorry you, know he was. Drinking

781
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: he was. DRUNK i don't know how the hell he

782
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: got my. Phone and during the wiretap, things THE, feds

783
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: they deleted the calls that he made asking for, cocaine

784
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: but they forgot to delete the calls when the people

785
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: are calling me complaining that he asked them for. That

786
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: and the reason that they did that was because if

787
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: he's calling other people for dope And i'm supposed to

788
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: this drug, kingpin he, quick we're supposed to have the house. Right,

789
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: well that was one of the calls THAT i used

790
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: in the to fight my, case you, know so it

791
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: was little calls like.

792
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: That is so.

793
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: Crazy, yeah when my attorney he, says so you have

794
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: until twelve o'clock today to accept this forty eight month.

795
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: Sentence and THEN i go back to my jail cell

796
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: And i'm pacing back and, forth AND i see the

797
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: phone right there from the little window for my jail,

798
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: cell and ALL i have to do is just knock

799
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: on the door and have the sheriff to open the

800
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: door SO i could get this phone. Call And i'm, like,

801
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: man it's forty eight, months forty eight. Years i'll be

802
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: on in six. Months And i'm, like, no But i'm,

803
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: innocent And i'm pacing back and. Forth by this, Time

804
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: i'm going freaking nuts, too you, Know i've started this

805
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: case back and. Forth i'm having all these cold, sweats

806
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: all these, nightmares all these things of writing my own

807
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: court motions and just studying my case over and. Over

808
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: AND i kind of like knock on the door just

809
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: lightly and gently for nobody to listen to. Me And i'm,

810
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: like you know, What we're just going to go to.

811
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: Trial And i'm, like this is. It and my attorney

812
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: comes the next day and he's, like head out of the.

813
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: Unit call my office LIKE i, didn't and he told,

814
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: me all, right look they extended it till twelve o'clock.

815
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Today you take the. Deal the. Fuck it's like. THAT

816
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: i felt LIKE i was on the price is. Right,

817
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: yeah the game show like don't number, one don't number,

818
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: two and don't number. Three this is a damn. Show

819
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: AND i was, like, no we're gonna go to the

820
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: motions here. Now the motion, sharings meaning what are they

821
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: gonna let in for? Trial what evidence are they gonna

822
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: let you dispute and? Trial so we go to the motion.

823
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: Sharing and before, THAT i told HIM i started to

824
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: put all this evidence because when The feds, come they

825
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: mainly go after your trash. Can you, know they could

826
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: find a huge amount of stuff that people throw away

827
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: in their trash, can, receipts, paperwork phone. Numbers SO i

828
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: believe that he planted a lot of those phone numbers

829
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: from the other indictment that was allegedly selling drugs into

830
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: my trash can to try to make the. Connection AND

831
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: i believe that he wrote those numbers in that trash.

832
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: Can AND i also had the original paperwork where he

833
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: would write his badge, number you, know officer, procedural you,

834
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: know to fill out the paper going to. ARRESTMENT i

835
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: had that paper where they gave you that, copy AND

836
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: i told my, attorney, LOOK i want you to compare

837
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: this numbers to the numbers that he put in my

838
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: trash can and see if there's the same, numbers the same.

839
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: Writing and he looked at, Me he's, like fuck that.

840
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: Man he's, like hand on the. Hell NOW i am

841
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: done with, this, this this is what's going. On he

842
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: though they're pissed off at you because of the stuff

843
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: that you did with the rampart crash, scandal and you

844
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: made them look like fools in the. News and they

845
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: hit the fact that this officer came to follow you

846
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: From colorado and they didn't tell the. Wiretap judge, no

847
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: and that he was a former rampart, officer and this

848
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: is just a vendetta against. You he told, me this

849
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: is what's gonna. Happen IF i present this AND i

850
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: come after, them then they're gonna come after. Me he was.

851
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: Scared he was scared of. Shitless SO i started to, say, okay,

852
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: well where is my due process of law right a

853
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: fair and adequate council to an, Attorney and he was.

854
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: Scared and we went to the most Sings and this

855
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: is the day WHERE i thought THAT i was going

856
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: to get out where there's just no way that the

857
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: criminal justice system continued to let this go. On, Right

858
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: AND i went to the motions. Hearing the judge shot

859
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: down every single emotion that my attorney tried to present to. Him,

860
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: right it's, crazy because he didn't deny the motion to

861
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: dismiss the. Case he said he will think about, it

862
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: and like that that's very, weird and, like how are

863
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: you going to deny every motion but not the motion to.

864
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: Dismiss and then another thing was that this was a

865
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: motion to dismiss the wire, taps and it was a

866
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: motion to dismiss the. Case but my attorney didn't put

867
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: the government understand the former rampart crash officer and THE

868
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: fbi lady that was the main investigator in my, case

869
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: he didn't put them understand that he had to put him.

870
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: UNDERSTAND i, mean it's just regular procedure to question them

871
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: during these. Motions SERIINGES i go back to my jail cell,

872
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: door AND i was, like this is. IT i, Mean

873
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: i'm just gonna do forty. Years i'm. Done AND i

874
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: was just, done just drained mentally, physically and you, know

875
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: there were times WHEN i get out of my bed

876
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: for about you, know for, hours days and throughout the

877
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: whole two. Years and but you, KNOW i remember watching

878
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: these rocky About boel movies WHEN i was a kid

879
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: man with this fookna knock down like fifteen or twenty,

880
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: times and he always had this haymaker, right it goes

881
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: all the way back from me eating popcorn right there

882
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: normally IN H street as a kid and that little,

883
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: curb watching all these movies where there was some type

884
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: of the underdogs somehow found the way to, win, right you,

885
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: know there was some type of happy ending in the,

886
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: end no matter how big the chips against you, Were,

887
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: right there was some type of righteous. Ending AND i

888
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: got up AND i want to make a. Phone WHEN

889
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: i made it to my brother who was an. Attorney

890
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: he helped me greatly with the case, too you, know

891
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: by the, phone AND i told, him you, know this

892
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: attorney didn't put the government on the. Stand and then

893
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: he's saying THAT i can't appeal none of these motions.

894
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: Denied he's, like, yes you. Could SO i started writing

895
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: my own motions again and telling the government that everything

896
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: THAT i told you from that visiting room where my

897
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: attorney was scared to put him on the, stand that

898
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: he was scared to provide this. Evidence and two or

899
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: three weeks, later WHEN i was, waiting you, know for

900
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: the response on these motions THAT i, filed a jailer

901
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: opened up my cell door and told me that my

902
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: that my case was on The Denver, post that it

903
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: had got.

904
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: Dismissed, wow what does that feel?

905
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: Like so, so you, KNOW i was right, there and

906
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: it was almost like a dream BECAUSE i expected that

907
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: every single day for two. Years it was almost like

908
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: two years AND i expected every single. Day AND i was,

909
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: like you're, Bullshiting like you, KNOW i went. There it

910
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: took me to a. Computer they showed me the, thing

911
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: AND i was, like, man what and people and the

912
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: tears and the other inmates they started clapping and cheering

913
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: and nobody feeds the, fit you, know and and they

914
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: were finding through some stuff themselves BEFORE i got, out like,

915
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: Man i've packed my stuff out and started getting my

916
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: my walkman and my things. Away AND i started thinking

917
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: some of the deputies because some of the you, know

918
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: the regular stay in the county jail is like a

919
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: few few weeks or a few. Months and some of these,

920
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: Deputies i'll give it to, them you. Know they were

921
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: FROM la and they like we talked About dodgers and

922
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: like in and out burgers and kind of just conversations

923
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: and that. Nature that's where our. Conversations and they they

924
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: used to rack my cell door and take me to

925
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: a broom room and put a computer there and some

926
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: headphones and let me hear my wire taps from like

927
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: twelve o'clock at night to like eight in the morning

928
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: for me to work on my on my, case, Right

929
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: and they weren't supposed to do, that like the limit

930
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: is like half an hour an hour in a regular

931
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: but they believed THAT i was innocent, too so, yeah so,

932
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: yeah so you, know so THERE i, am And i'm

933
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: ready to get, out and you, Know i'm like like

934
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: what and the deputy, say oh, shit hold, on there's

935
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: something wrong, Here like what do you mean something? Wrong

936
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: because you, know the fence didn't have they didn't have

937
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: the morals to take me to court and dismiss the. Case.

938
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: There they just just signed the paper and they let

939
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: me out the back door like nothing, happened. Right they

940
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to make a big spectrum or big paray

941
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: like they did WHEN i got WHEN i got locked,

942
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: up right then my. Case they didn't want to do.

943
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: That so one of the jailers told, me of, old, no,

944
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: man you got a warrant that's holding you, up like

945
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: a warrant for. What but there's these traffic. Violations, man

946
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: it's like five hundred bucks that you gotta. Pay so

947
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: forty eight, years and what's holding me? Now it's on

948
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars tract And i'm on jail house lawyer

949
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: mode And i'm, saying, well the Reason i'm unable to

950
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: pay those tickets BECAUSE i was locked. Up and that's

951
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: when The feds used to freaking stop. Me this cop

952
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: used to stop. Me just try to search my car

953
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: for no reason and just give me this ticket or

954
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: not for a turning? Signal, Right so everything just LIKE

955
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: i was just like trying to fight everything and. Everybody

956
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: SO i called my friend and he came and he

957
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: paid the five hundred dollars and, WOW i got out

958
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: and it was raining and the rain was hitting my

959
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: face AND i couldn't believe. It and you, know it

960
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: was the friend THAT i originally moved over here To,

961
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: colorado my childhood friend that was also a FORMER msterr

962
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: team member that grew up In. Koreatown AND i was,

963
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: like all, right, man take me to my wife's, house,

964
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: RIGHT i want to see my kids. TOO i had two.

965
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Kids and he told, me, hey, man you're gonna stay with,

966
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: Me like what you? Mean we got a roof for

967
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: you in my. House it was him and his. Wife

968
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: i'm like what do you, Mean, well you, know we,

969
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: want we. WANT i don't want to tell you this

970
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: during this, time but your wife is engaged to somebody

971
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: else Over AND i was like, damn because after a

972
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: YEAR i stopped getting visits from, her you, Know and

973
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: it was probably the best thing that she could have,

974
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: done because The, feds in order to break, you they

975
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: want to break your support system, first so they will

976
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: stop her for all these dumb traffic violations, too and

977
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: to search your, car and they will call the places

978
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: where we'll be living at saying that she was with

979
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: AN ms thirteen gang, member and she will go home

980
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: and all the beddings and all her stuff was out

981
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 1: in the, grass you, know and she'd get in. Victim

982
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: SO i told, her after a, year you, know it's

983
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: best for you to move on to your life BECAUSE

984
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: i THOUGHT i was going to. Live she THOUGHT i

985
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: wasn't getting, live you, know just. Go you. Know she

986
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: definitely moved, on and that's, cool you. Know SO i

987
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: get out and as soon AS i get, Out i'm

988
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: talking to my. Friend but you, know studying these wire,

989
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: taps these surveillance that they had on me for two,

990
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: years over and over and over and over and just

991
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: going over every single night for two. YEARS i just

992
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: started hallucinating thinking that on the way, home JUST fbia

993
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: just were following, us informants were following. US i get,

994
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: HOME i we're not home with my friend's house and

995
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: he tells, me, hey so and someone wants to talk to,

996
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: You AND i get on the. Phone he what's.

997
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 5: Up he's, like hey, man we're gonna have. TEMPO i

998
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 5: got some guy that sad that we're gonna be like

999
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 5: ten twenty pounds of. Godden, so, like you're really. SHIT

1000
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 5: i was tripping WHERE i was, staying like you, know

1001
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 5: in the. ROOM i started, like WHEN i will go to,

1002
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 5: SLEEP i will be checking for wire taps and just

1003
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 5: start breaking stuff. Apart WHEN i will go to the,

1004
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 5: STORE i, mean anyone.

1005
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: Would be so paranoid after that, Experience holy.

1006
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: Shit. Yeah WHEN i would just go to the store

1007
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: and buy like groceries and somebody would just buy like

1008
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: a gall in of, MILK i felt why they just

1009
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: buy a gay and a. Milk for, me it was

1010
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: just agents agents area Where so it took a while

1011
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: for me to reprogram my brain to try to.

1012
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: Get out of that addiction, thing, right you, know it's

1013
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: it's really interesting BECAUSE i feel, like in, theory the

1014
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: reason to have a former gang member on is because

1015
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: there's you, know parallels between joining a gang and joining a.

1016
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: Cult but we also want to explore the abuse of,

1017
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: power and really it feels like the moral of your

1018
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: story is the egregious way is that the police.

1019
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 3: And the government abuse their.

1020
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 2: POWER i mean that feels like way more of a

1021
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: parallel to abusive cult behavior to me than what you

1022
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: experienced IN ms.

1023
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 3: Thirteen.

1024
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know, what WHEN i got out Of mster,

1025
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: TEEN i thought it, was you, know it'd be a perfect.

1026
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: Life but it's almost like THE feds and certain police

1027
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: officials didn't want me to get, out like, no we

1028
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: still need you as the, face to be the face

1029
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: of the animal with you or the face of the bad.

1030
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: Guy we're not done with you. Yet WHEN i got

1031
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: out OF, MS i, mean nobody gave me no shit

1032
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: from the. Gang some were even happy for me to, Leave,

1033
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: okay by really, YEAH i mean because remember WHEN i

1034
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: was saying, that you, know at the, BEGINNING i got

1035
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: bullied and got my stuff taken. Away but WHEN i

1036
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: got Into mster's, TEEN i started fighting with some people

1037
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: and taking my stuff, back you. Know so but, yeah

1038
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: those up and downs in that roller coaster ride where

1039
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: it was just a constant thing of there's just no

1040
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: way that AN ms thirteam member could be. Rehabilitating and

1041
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: it was five or six or. SEVEN i was In

1042
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: colorado and it was crazy because when we started moving over,

1043
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: here moved to a friend's, house and then it consists

1044
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: of competition about not, crimes who had the best, car

1045
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: who had the best? Rims then somebody got in an,

1046
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: apartment who has the best? Apartment then somebody got in the. House, oh,

1047
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: man who has the best? House then, furnishuring who had

1048
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: the best? Couching who has the biggest black SCREEN? Tv

1049
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: when so and so invited me to their, house it consisted, of,

1050
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: okay this woo bought, something whereas, oh he has the biggest. Barbecue, Bit,

1051
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: Okay i'm gonna get another one. Now so it all

1052
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: consistent of competition and competition and competition with each other

1053
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: at the end of the. Day then decorating the, HOUSE

1054
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: i was like a Gangster Martha. Stewart we just decorating the, house.

1055
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: You, know.

1056
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,959
Speaker 1: And it just consisted of. That at your, jobs who's

1057
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: making the most and just. Cooking who has the best

1058
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: cooking thing For? Thanksgiving and For? Christmas who's going to

1059
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 1: have the best? Turkey and? Theamalis and it's crazy because

1060
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: we're all full of That mass thirteen. Tattoos and if

1061
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: you take the sound off and you're recording, us you

1062
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: will think that what the hell these foods are. Doing

1063
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: but you put the sound on and imaginely erase OUR

1064
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: ms thirteen, tattoos you will think we just freaking regular

1065
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: people in the holidays having some type of family events

1066
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: with each. Other, Right but that's the thing OF ims.

1067
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: Thirteen people are somewhat fascinated by. It but when you

1068
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: start to see what these guys could actually change or

1069
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: the just rehabilitate, it and then sometimes some part of

1070
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: the system and the government said all, that that's that's

1071
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: not gonna. Happen we still need to portray these guys

1072
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: as the as the bad, guys, Right and this has

1073
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: gone on for generations and, generations you. Know but you,

1074
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: KNOW i got out AND i started doing gang intervention work,

1075
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: again and they gave us this mental health training to help,

1076
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: kids AND i started seeing the mental health training of

1077
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: all those, things the signs to look, forward And i'm, like,

1078
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: damn that's the stuff That i'm. Experiencing AND i kept,

1079
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: quiet AND i started studying and really trying to fix,

1080
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: myself you, know on my, own and studying all this

1081
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: stuff to see WHAT i was going. Through in order

1082
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: to help all the, KIDS i threw myself into, them

1083
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: and you, know forget WHAT i went, through what. Happened

1084
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: it's a closed chapter in my. Life, now let me

1085
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: help out this, kid, Right let me help out this.

1086
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: Kid what they're going. Through they might have been through

1087
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: some life WHEN i was gang banging the way they,

1088
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: felt then how COULD i help them not make that

1089
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: same mistake THAT i? Did? Right AND i started A

1090
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: Homeless needles chapter over here In colorado that's predominantly youth

1091
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: ran and we have it in about six or seven

1092
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 1: different schools over. Here so it's great to see these

1093
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: kids that we're told by, somebody you, know that they're

1094
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: not going to amount to, nothing and you see them

1095
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: getting their high school diploma or you, know graduate and

1096
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: then going on to, college getting out of, gangs and

1097
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: then freeing that, respect power and pride in their own,

1098
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: way and then getting that. SPOTLIGHT i always love to

1099
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: give them That tom hidden, spotlight you, know to make

1100
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: them understand that they are, special that they are worth

1101
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: something and whatever it is that they've gone. Through it's,

1102
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: unfortunately but how do you overcome those barriers and those

1103
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: Hurd we teach them that and how to pass that

1104
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: on to somebody else that also.

1105
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: Might need, that, RIGHT i, mean they all deserve a standing,

1106
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 4: ovation because that is a big. Deal is there a

1107
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: certain quality that you find like that you and your

1108
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 4: seven friends are people that are able to really rebuild their.

1109
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 4: Lives is there is there something in common that you

1110
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 4: see with people who are able to overcome this kind of.

1111
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: THING i think it took time to get centered or

1112
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: have an addiction lifestyle to something, else and an addiction

1113
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be nothing, Necessary LIKE i explained the

1114
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: Gangster Marko's stewart lifestyle right that we were, doing but

1115
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: we were already out of the gang even IN LA

1116
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: i think just having that. Support we had such a

1117
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: nice support system of six or seven of us that

1118
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: will always be. Together you, know our kids where they were,

1119
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: kids they were growing up together and you, Know thanksgiving

1120
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: all those holidays and barbecues and going to the ballgames.

1121
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: Together and after we got, indicted you, know all that.

1122
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: Stuff even though we Got i'm not, GUILTY a lot

1123
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: of that stuff ended because for us to hang out

1124
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: like that again in, six, seven eight, nine BEING ms

1125
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: thirteen gang members a lot of times the system doesn't like, that,

1126
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: unfortunately but the government doesn't like, that And i'm VERY

1127
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: i don't. KNOW i just don't want to put people

1128
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: in that situation WHERE i understand that even being in the,

1129
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: government you, know they still have that vendetta against you

1130
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: and they try to come after. You SO i don't

1131
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 1: want to put nobody in that. Situation it's very easy

1132
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: to frame a person that has AN ms thirteen, tattoo

1133
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: even if that person has already changed his. Life you

1134
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: feed this image to a larger, culture you, know larger

1135
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: population in the, media and you could definitely run with.

1136
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: IT i don't, know it's just very. Easy and you,

1137
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: know during this, time a whole lot of the SYSTEM

1138
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: i have to blame. For but there's some of the

1139
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: system where there has been SOME us attorneys that have

1140
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: came up to me to. Apologize you, know there's some

1141
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: police officers that work at, schools resource officers that understand

1142
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: THAT i understand that it wasn't everybody? Know And i've

1143
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: been invited to you, know judges chambers to talk about

1144
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: law and you, Know i've been mayor appointed as a

1145
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: commissioner for The city Of, denver AND i sit on

1146
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: The Denver District Attorney's Law enforcement And Community Relationious council

1147
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: on how to work together with law enforcement and community

1148
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: and how to better hold law enforcement accountable for them

1149
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: as conduct that that they. Do and you, know just

1150
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: to even go further, that another one was WHERE i

1151
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: was also mayor appointed to uh interview and select the

1152
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: Next Denver Police chief Of. Denver so that was kind of.

1153
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: Ironic i'm not sure that's the word where you're you're

1154
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: interviewing them. Now AND i was also appointed to interview

1155
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: and you, know identify and search the Next sheriff Of

1156
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: denver as, well Where i'm interviewing them.

1157
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: As as well's Brilliant AND i don't have no.

1158
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: Vendetta BUT i really you, know forward my questions and you,

1159
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: know try to forward the best candidate for that position

1160
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: that will perhaps, right will perhaps make some type of.

1161
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 2: Change so what do you think that we can do

1162
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 2: as a. SOCIETY i, MEAN i guess there are really

1163
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: two things that play. Here but let's start with let's

1164
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: start with gangs in, general like, societally what do you

1165
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: think that we can do to break the?

1166
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: Cycle invest in jobs for people that actually have feelings

1167
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: and give them an. Opportunity And i'm not talking about

1168
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: a minimum wage paying. JOB i, mean we have so

1169
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: much money all the time to go to, war trillions

1170
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: of dollars to bomb all these other countries. Vote it

1171
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: seems like we never have money for the. Ghettos. Right

1172
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: invest in more gang intervention and prevention and social service

1173
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: work in the neighborhoods that breed these types of, behaviors,

1174
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: right or. Addictions invest more in mental, health invest more

1175
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: in drug, greacability because when a gang member joins a,

1176
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: gang that's the last. Step like remember WHEN i joined the,

1177
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: GANG i went through all kinds of different things BEFORE i, Said,

1178
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: okay this is the last step AND i want to

1179
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: join this. Gang how do we not invest in all

1180
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: these things that people go through a lot of it is, poverty,

1181
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: Right there was this thing in the nineteen sixties before

1182
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: The Vietnam war that the government promised that we were

1183
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: going to do a war on, poverty and that we're

1184
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: still waiting for the war on. Poverty but we've just

1185
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: been militarizing the police all the time and giving them

1186
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: all the. Funding and when people say defund the, POLICE

1187
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: i think people get misguided, saying, okay we're taking all

1188
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: the funding from the. Police now we're not taking all

1189
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: the funding from the. Police it consists of getting money

1190
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: to invest in all these services That i'm talking, about you,

1191
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: know such as sports, Activities and people, said, well they're

1192
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: never going to, change. Right you. Know the best phrase

1193
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: to do that is when you plant a flower receipt

1194
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: you can't water and come back the next day and,

1195
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: say where the fuck is the flower? At you, SEE

1196
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: i told you it doesn't. GROW i told you it's no.

1197
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: Good you got to continue to water it to nerveish

1198
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: it and give it. Time, Right and some flowers blosso

1199
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: faster than, Others and that consists of whatever generational trauma

1200
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: or oppression that flower has been, through, right, decades. Generations

1201
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: so that's what we need to invest.

1202
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: In and, yeah defund the police really has a bad

1203
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: rep as a slogan because people really do misunderstand. It

1204
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: it really just means invest in communities, exactly invest in,

1205
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: prevention like we won't need to be worrying about fighting

1206
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: crime if we are preventing, crime because crime is so

1207
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: often just associated with poverty and desperate.

1208
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: Circumstances Tom hayden said it best before when he was Interviewed.

1209
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: Heralderrivera AND i don't want to misquote, him but he's

1210
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: saying that homis so neils is a threat to THE

1211
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: lpd because they're doing the work that they cannot do

1212
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: and that messes up their overtime, pay that messes up

1213
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: their hiring, them misses up there the view that they

1214
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: put on the gang.

1215
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: Mement that's so, Interesting, yeah because like if there isn't

1216
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: crime to, fight what then they're Not they don't get

1217
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: to be the big crime fighting men.

1218
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 3: Anymore you. Know it takes away from the glamour of the.

1219
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: Job in a. Way, yeah go back to just handing

1220
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of traffic, tickets, Right and a lot of

1221
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: people join the police because they want that same thing

1222
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: when They sometimes people join a gang that respect power and.

1223
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: Pride and unfortunately you know that, rampart crash scandle hasn't gone.

1224
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: Away it kind of changes or overlaps to something. Else,

1225
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: well now IN la you start to hear the bandidos

1226
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: from The Sheriff's. Department they've been doing or operating the

1227
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: same thing all the, time where if you shoot a,

1228
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: person it's initiation into the Bandido's sheriff's department, gang or

1229
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: if you injure a, person it's the same. Thing and

1230
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: it's happening right now in twenty one where they're being.

1231
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: Investigated when they join these gang The sheriff's, department you,

1232
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: know a certain population of the, jeris it's almost like joined.

1233
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: Again what they have to earn their stripes, too just

1234
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: like a gang member earns their. Stripes and the REASON

1235
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: i really mentioned that is because there becomes this mistrust

1236
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: between community and law enforcement and there's this clash, again you,

1237
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: know when we're back to square. One so it's very

1238
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: important for The Sheriff's department OF lapd to acknowledge these

1239
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: things and say that these things are. Happening how do

1240
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: we go on and fix this thing instead of trying

1241
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: to sweep it underneath the carpet where it makes the

1242
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: community mistrust the police as.

1243
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 3: Well, right there.

1244
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 2: Needs to be accountability ONE d, Absolutely so what can

1245
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: we do to support Homiees anitos and is there anything

1246
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: that you know you're working on or some more people

1247
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: can find.

1248
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,959
Speaker 1: You our website Is Homieesnedos denver dot org And denver

1249
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: and then we have OUR la one which Is homisounitos dot.

1250
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: Org whatever they feel they could support or volunteer. In you,

1251
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: know all the information is right. There.

1252
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 3: Cool, well thank you so much for talking to. US

1253
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 3: i mean really thank.

1254
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: You for having. Me it's been a great.

1255
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 3: Pleasure All, right we did.

1256
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: It?

1257
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 3: Wow how is that story? Real somebody make that into

1258
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: a movie? Please you? Know, yeah, yesterday, screenwriters come, ON

1259
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: i know some of you listen to. THIS i know

1260
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 3: we got some screenwriters in our. Audience come, ON i

1261
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: mean it's.

1262
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 4: Perfect, yeah he's. Amazing.

1263
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so while we already asked the question last, week

1264
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 2: so we kind of know the, answer we would probably

1265
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: both join a gang if we were in his, position most,

1266
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: likely especially.

1267
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 3: Because we wanted to be cool so.

1268
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: Badly but, SO i guess What i'm interested in discussing

1269
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: here is something that kind of came up a little bit,

1270
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: earlier which is like how the police themselves ended up

1271
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: being more culty in this scenario than the, gang or

1272
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 2: at least by this, point Bro, Well first of, all confirmation.

1273
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: Bias we all know that is definitely a thing in

1274
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: the criminal justice system when they're pursuing drug cases or.

1275
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: Whatever case is, like that's an obvious. One but then

1276
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: like trying to get revenge on these, guys which that

1277
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: lossit really did, Happen they really did win that lawsuit

1278
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 2: against THE.

1279
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 3: Lapd they were like trying to get revenge against these

1280
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 3: like gang.

1281
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: Interventionists, yeah defending their group no matter the, consequences you,

1282
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 2: Know like that's some culty.

1283
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 3: Shit yeah it.

1284
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 4: Is one TIME i had a peeping tom jerking off

1285
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 4: on my window and we called the. POLICE i called

1286
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 4: the police and they came inside and they took my whole.

1287
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 4: Story and then they were, like, listen it's la we

1288
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 4: don't we really don't do anything with. Us it's all about.

1289
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 4: Money and they said. That they were, like it's there's

1290
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 4: no money in, helping like we have to do. Drugs

1291
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 4: it's find, drugs get. Drugs all that show.

1292
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 3: Ow they said. That they fucking said. That it was

1293
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 3: these two people who were just like fucking over. It and,

1294
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 3: UH i, MEAN i think.

1295
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 4: Private owned prisons and money and all of it starts

1296
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 4: the cycle of then it becoming this.

1297
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,479
Speaker 3: CRAZY i don't.

1298
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 4: Know that's just a bad lower level for anything to

1299
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 4: be built, on you, Know and then to go past,

1300
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 4: that it just becomes about catching people and getting the.

1301
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 4: Money AND i think.

1302
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 3: Cops are just humans, too and they completely lose.

1303
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: It, YEAH i think anyone who listens to the show

1304
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,959
Speaker 2: by now probably knows my stance on the criminal justice.

1305
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: System but, LIKE i don't think all cops are. BASTARDS

1306
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: i think all cops are humans who get caught in

1307
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: a system that turns them into. Bastards which is not

1308
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: necessarily that everyone behaves, badly of course, not but, yes

1309
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 2: as you're the foundation is rotted.

1310
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 4: Right and like people honestly want to go help and

1311
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 4: then you just get put in the. System and that's

1312
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 4: what every single movie is.

1313
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: ABOUT i REMEMBER i went on a ride along In

1314
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: burbank WHEN i was like twenty one with my ex,

1315
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: boyfriend and in, retrospect he was being a hella Racist

1316
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: i'm wherever We we actually brought it up at the time,

1317
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 2: too because he was like so hungry for crime because

1318
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: nothing happens In burbank and he was so like wanting

1319
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 2: to like be cool for us and have something happen

1320
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 2: Because burbank's so. Quiet there were some kids playing basketball

1321
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: on the, street like teenage, kids and he's, like what

1322
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 2: do you guys do?

1323
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: It you, know like totally profiling.

1324
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: Them and, yeah when the culture is about like hunting,

1325
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: people like hunting down crime as opposed to like responding,

1326
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: well but even responding is is. PROBLEMATIC i, MEAN i

1327
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 2: personally think that our resources should be focused on prevention

1328
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: and p and then anyone who does respond should be

1329
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 2: a specialist in mental health if it's a mental health.

1330
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 3: Crisis or a specialist and you know, whatever and.

1331
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 4: Then you, know and just keeping in, mind like we

1332
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 4: know there's people out there who are, like, Dude i'm

1333
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 4: a cop AND i just need to do my fucking,

1334
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 4: job and Like i'm trying really, hard And i'm speaking

1335
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 4: for that one. Gop it's just like SOMETIMES i don't

1336
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 4: have time to call a mental, professional and, like you, know.

1337
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: It's not about them calling a mental health.

1338
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: Professional it's about the system providing vat for there to

1339
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 2: be another phone number to call for.

1340
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 3: Sure for, Sure but, anyway the point, is, uh the

1341
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 3: cops are in a.

1342
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: Cult they're in a cult of believing that they are you,

1343
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 2: know they're, chosen they're saving.

1344
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 3: Everyone they're the.

1345
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: Elite, like there's a lot of parallels, here except they

1346
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: have guns and so that's dangerous and scary back and

1347
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 2: they can put people into prison for years or.

1348
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 3: Lifetime it's, yeah you, know.

1349
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 4: Yep every group can become a, cut but every group

1350
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 4: does not have guns, here, right.

1351
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 3: Yep it's moral of the. Story we'll get another.

1352
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 4: Day, yeah, yes, yes well you, guys thank you for

1353
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 4: coming on the second journey of us with this. STORY

1354
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 4: i think it's one of my.

1355
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: Favorites in, conclusion fuck the. Police, okay that's that Is.

1356
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 2: Lola's that Is lola's.

1357
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 3: Goodbye i'm gonna take a step away from. That so

1358
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 3: it's a good, phrase, totally.

1359
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 4: Totally i've hey all respect you, guys, remember follow your,

1360
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 4: gut watch out for red, flags and never ever trust.

1361
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 2: Me.

1362
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 3: Bye