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Speaker 1: listen to this classic episode. Did the CIA invent counter culture?

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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies? History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: My name is no Hippie is an establishment label for

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Speaker 1: a profound, invisible, underground evolutionary process. For every visible hippie

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Speaker 1: of the TV comedy of American life. That's a quote

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Speaker 1: by Timothy Leary. I'm ben your you. This is stuff

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Speaker 1: gentlemen about the nineteen sixties? It was a wild, heavy time,

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Speaker 1: get stuff. They don't want you to know capes. Man,

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Speaker 1: oh God, not to derail the too much, but you

424
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Speaker 1: know what movie is on Netflix now. My favorite Mystery

425
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: Science Theater episode manose The Hands of Fate, featuring the

426
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Speaker 1: Goatman Torgo and the Master and he has this amazing

427
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Speaker 1: cape with red hands on it and I'm sorry, I'm

428
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Speaker 1: I'm done. Yeah, that deaf only doesn't derail things. Nol No, Well,

429
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Speaker 1: it makes it makes sense though, if we're if we're

430
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Speaker 1: talking about l you know who. My favorite LSD researcher

431
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: was John C. Lily, who would regularly take doses of

432
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Speaker 1: LSD in the early sixties when he was introduced to it,

433
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Speaker 1: and uh then he would put himself in the sensory

434
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Speaker 1: deprivation tanks or he can you imagine um? And he

435
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: also was big on dolphin research and he would often

436
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: take LSD and hang out with dolphins, and then his

437
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: research over time developed into much more dolphins centric work

438
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: where he was trying to communic communicate with dolphins felt

439
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: like they had some sort of psychic abilities that could

440
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: be exploited by being on LSD allows you to kind

441
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: of reach that level. And then you know, have psychic

442
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: conversations with these dolphins. And he even had an experiment

443
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Speaker 1: where he flooded a building and had a woman a

444
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Speaker 1: research assistant. I suppose you could say, live with a

445
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Speaker 1: dolphin in this flooded apartment and over time developed something

446
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Speaker 1: of a let's say, with said dolphin. But yeah, so

447
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: it was the wild West. Yeah, yeah, and longtime listeners

448
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: who recognize some of uh, some of that story from

449
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: previous episodes where the thing was was the dolphin actually communicating?

450
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: It was the dolphins simply taking indecent proposal style rewards

451
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Speaker 1: for certain behaviors, you know which pro quo claries. If

452
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Speaker 1: only one of us could make the dolphin noise, that's

453
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Speaker 1: not that was was pitch it up in Yeah, that

454
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Speaker 1: was like a Tom Waite's dolphin. Okay, yeah, so Frank

455
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: Olsen getting back to Frank Olsen to fenustrated. Did he

456
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Speaker 1: jump out of the window of his New York hotel

457
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Speaker 1: room about a week and a half after his drink

458
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Speaker 1: had been spiked with LSD at a work retreat by

459
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Speaker 1: his coworkers, or was he pushed When the real cause

460
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Speaker 1: of Frank Olson's death was finally made public by the

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Speaker 1: Rockefeller Commission in n It was a public relations nightmare

462
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Speaker 1: for the Ford administration, and they selected a guy to

463
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Speaker 1: run damage control on this issue. You might recognize him.

464
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Speaker 1: His name was Dick Cheney. So he did damage control

465
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Speaker 1: on this and then eventually they issued the US government

466
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Speaker 1: issued an apology to Frank Olson's widow. But the death

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Speaker 1: of Agent Olson, Frank Wilson, and the discovery of things

468
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: like Operation Midnight Climax easily overshadowed most of the other, uh,

469
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Speaker 1: most of the other things we found out about Project

470
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Speaker 1: mko Ultra. But another relevant finding was this the CIA

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Speaker 1: had funded academic research into LSD like a lot before

472
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Speaker 1: the drug was criminalized in nineteen sixty six. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: and some of these academics working on LSD research knowingly

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Speaker 1: took money from the Central Intelligence Agency to do this stuff.

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00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: A lot of others had CIA money indirectly funneled to them,

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Speaker 1: and you know, maybe they didn't even know that this

477
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Speaker 1: was happening, but still that's what's funding their research. Um,

478
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: because they are all these front groups that the c

479
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Speaker 1: I U, c i A uses. We've discussed these before.

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Speaker 1: The FBI to the to any intelligence agency uses a

481
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Speaker 1: front group it's a front company. It's a very handy thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like the the general rule of thumb here is, at

483
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Speaker 1: least what the three of us have discovered is that

484
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Speaker 1: the more vague a group's name is, the more likely

485
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Speaker 1: they are a front for something, you know what I mean,

486
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: or just yeah vanilla. So it just feels very just

487
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: if there's yeah, like if there's and I'm making this up,

488
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: so any resemblance to a real thing is purely incidental.

489
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Speaker 1: But like if we met a representative that was like

490
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Speaker 1: people for ideas, I think, I know that's sketchy. You know,

491
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Speaker 1: people have all kinds of ideas, and they're all kinds

492
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Speaker 1: of people, I mean, be specific for ideas and things. Right,

493
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: other researchers who people for ideas and things, that's our

494
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: watch out, Rand Corporation. There's a new guy in town. Uh.

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00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Other researchers who did scientific experiments with LSD did not

496
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: have any funding from the CIA, but the company might

497
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: send a covert agent to keep track of any interesting findings.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Hi, my name's John Smith. I'm the

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Speaker 1: new lab Tech. Yeah, I went to Anywhere university and

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Speaker 1: nowhere's vil USA, Yeah, right near America Town anyhow, what's

501
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: going on with these acids right that? I mean, it's

502
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: spot on, that's that's what happened, and this kind of

503
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: stuff can still happen to date for people who believe

504
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: the CIA created or co opted the American counterculture movement.

505
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: The experiments that occurred in the nineteen fifties naturally evolved

506
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: into programs during the sixties two, as we mentioned earlier,

507
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: neutralize that threat of social activism by turning the activists

508
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Speaker 1: into you know, his peace and love oriented And then

509
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: to me, I wonder if this was the case, was

510
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: it more about the perception as well, you know what

511
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: I mean, where it's like, if they're not taken seriously,

512
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: it's sort of neuters them a little that in terms

513
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Speaker 1: of like actually affecting change, getting other people to believe,

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Speaker 1: getting other people to sign on for their cause. And

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00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the you know, like you said, there

516
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: was definitely a connection between the political activists scene and

517
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Speaker 1: the counterculture you know, psychedelic hippie movement for sure, But visually,

518
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: like from a pr standpoint, it's very easy for those

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Speaker 1: in power and people supporting those in power to view

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Speaker 1: this group negatively in a way where it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not threatened by them. I just kind of feel

522
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Speaker 1: like they're lazy, shiftless, do nothings. That that means that

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Speaker 1: have no impact. You're not going to change the world.

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Speaker 1: And a pair of blue jean trousers. I'm gonna try

525
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Speaker 1: and we'll have to see how that how that hippies

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Speaker 1: journey turns out. After a word from our sponsors, it's

527
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Speaker 1: not gonna go well, thou jeans, Baby Queen, it has

528
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Speaker 1: been a bad bass mean baby queen. Baby Queen's alright.

529
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Speaker 1: It's like, uh, you know the toddlers in Tierra Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

530
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 1: that is like honey boo boo, pretty mercury as a baby.

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Speaker 1: Well that, as you can tell, the drugs have kicked in.

532
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: Um we were now in that country. Yes, and we

533
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: are still looking for evidence about this idea, right. One

534
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: of the biggest pieces of evidence for people who believe

535
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Speaker 1: that the c I a masterminded puppeteered a shift in

536
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Speaker 1: counter culture was the idea that Timothy Leary, whom quoted

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Speaker 1: at the top of the show, was himself a c I.

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Speaker 1: A asset. What Yes writer and Mark Reebling asked Timothy

539
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: Leary about this after Leary gave a speech in Gainesville, Florida,

540
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: and Leary said, they never gave me a dime. But

541
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: here's the thing. In fact, he did get money from

542
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: the Central Intelligence Agency. He didn't get very much, but

543
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: he did get. He got some some scratch, some cheddar,

544
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: some mula. I'm just going to choose words for money now, scrilla,

545
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: some scrilla, scrill is good, some wampum. Yeah. So, while

546
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: Leary perhaps didn't know that he had been a willing CI,

547
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: a temporary agent stooge. Yeah, Well, the agency or the

548
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: company ben as you called them before. I love calling

549
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: them the company their term, I know, but it just

550
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: calling it that is quite fun. A company man. They

551
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: tend to promote people who who truly believe in a cause,

552
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: but are unaware perhaps of what their re really advancing,

553
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: what the left hand is truly doing while the right

554
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: hand toils away over here. Yes. Yes, so that's a

555
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: great point because we know that in some foreign countries

556
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: where intelligence agencies and I know we're picking on the

557
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: CIA right now, but intelligence agencies in general will have

558
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: these kind of covert practices. Imagine, uh, you know, a

559
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Speaker 1: a developing country or some sort of unstable regime, right,

560
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: and your student protests group, and somebody comes up and says, yeah,

561
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: I also believe in the cause. Right, forget the monarchy

562
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: or forget the theocracy or whatever the current flavor of

563
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: democracy is. Here's some funding. And by the way, let

564
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: me teach you about protest techniques. You could totally think

565
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: that was just someone who knew their stuff, like pistachio democracy.

566
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: Pistachio democracy is a great democracy flavor. I would put

567
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: it up there, you know, in the top three. So

568
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: the as Matt said, someone could completely believe in a cause,

569
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: finds help from a well dressed stranger, right, well spoken stranger,

570
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: and not have any idea what that that person's ultimate

571
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: motivations were. So funds for Leary's research and drugs. The

572
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: material for it came from the CIA. And he has

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Speaker 1: an autobiography Leary does. It's called Flashbacks. It was published

574
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Speaker 1: three in that he credits a guy named cord Meyer,

575
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: the CIA executive in charge of funding uh the counterculture,

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Speaker 1: with quote helping me to understand my political cultural role

577
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: more clearly, and he goes on he says, the liberal

578
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: CIA is get this guy's the best mafia you can

579
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: deal with in the twentie century, which is which is

580
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: weird to hear the guy the dropout tune in guy best?

581
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: Like how better than like the Sopranos, like like that

582
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: kind of mafia? What are we talking? Yeah, I guess

583
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: so more efficient, less likely to break your legs. I

584
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I guess he just got along with him.

585
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: I guess they were just maybe they just didn't shake

586
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: him down for his debts at the dog Track. I'm kidding.

587
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: They probably kept him, you know, in acid. I'm sure,

588
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: you know what. That's a good point, and that makes

589
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: me think of that owls Ley fellow as well. So

590
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: other vanguards of the LSD movement, including Alan Ginsburg, certainly

591
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,479
Speaker 1: believed that the CIA played more than a cameo part

592
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: in this culture jamming. Right, So, the first major public

593
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: statements in the seventies by countercultural figures um to actually

594
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: speculate on the relationship between the CIA and LSD happened

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00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: on October nineteen seventies seven, at a conference at the

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Speaker 1: University of California in Santa Cruz that was called LSD

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Speaker 1: A generation later sort of a post boredom um. Alan Ginsburg,

598
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Speaker 1: who compared the conference to an acid head class reunion.

599
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: Uh said quote am I Alan Ginsburg the product of

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Speaker 1: one of the CIA's lamentable, ill advised or triumphantly successful

601
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: experiments in mind control. Had they by conscious plan or

602
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: inadvertent Pandora's box, let loose the whole LSD fad on

603
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Speaker 1: the US and the world. Things that make you go.

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00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: That's right. And Timothy Leary was also at the conference.

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Speaker 1: He addressed questions about the LSD c I a issue,

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Speaker 1: and he said the LSD movement was started by the CIA.

607
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: To the CIA, hey can I do a voice? And

608
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: he said, the movement was started by the CIA. I

609
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here now without the fore shit of the C.

610
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: I A shy and tish. It was no accident. It

611
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Speaker 1: was all planned and scripted by the Central Intelligence Agency.

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Speaker 1: And I'm all in favor of Central and Tyler is

613
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Speaker 1: that like a Sean Connery boys is Sean Connor ish?

614
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Speaker 1: Is what I'm calling it, because you know, I'm not

615
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,479
Speaker 1: doing the whole I'm not quite going all the way there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: First of all, I love Sean Conner. Ish that should

617
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Speaker 1: be a thing, and I want to see this opportunity

618
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Speaker 1: to announce a new word that I have coined um

619
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Speaker 1: for addressing things that are going on in the news

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Speaker 1: right now, and it is hilarifying. Oh that is quite

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Speaker 1: im portmant to. No, well done, just I had to

622
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Speaker 1: lay it down on some media so that I can,

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Speaker 1: you know, claim on the record, my friend, hilarifying. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, please use that whenever you find it appropriate,

625
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: but do credit Noel Brown. It appears that that term

626
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: was used during the Hillary Clinton campaign as hillary Ifying. No,

627
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: I feel like hilarifying is totally different. Yeah, I just

628
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: want to typed it in. It's so when you when

629
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Speaker 1: you Hillary, if I something bedazzling it So there there's

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Speaker 1: another interesting party here. Hilarifying aspect to this guy, that's

631
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Speaker 1: really good. Handom still on that. That's awesome. I'm on

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Speaker 1: that trip, as can Cassy would say. Uh in. Guy

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Speaker 1: named John Marks, a former Foreign Service officer, published a

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Speaker 1: book called The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, and he

635
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: looked at all the different ways this agency attempted to

636
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Speaker 1: control the human mind for the purposes of espionage. And

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Speaker 1: just for the record, running on pretty much no sleep

638
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: makes saying former foreign service officer pretty tough. You do

639
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: it with a plum. Thank you. I feel like I'm

640
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Speaker 1: doing it very carefully, very rural. Jurl e um, he

641
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: did it deep in your plumes? What. In a chapter

642
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: covering the CIA's interest and experiments with LSD, Mars Rights,

643
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: CIA officials never meant that the likes of Leary, Keezy

644
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: and Ginsburg should be turned on. Yet these men were,

645
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: and they, along with many of the lesser known experimental

646
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: subjects like Harvard's Ralph Bloom, created the climate whereby l

647
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Speaker 1: s D escaped the government's control and became available by

648
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: the early sixties on the black market. No one at

649
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: the agency apparently foresaw that young Americans would voluntarily take

650
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: this drug, whether for consciousness expansion or recreational purposes. The

651
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: mk ultra experts were mainly on a control trip, and

652
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: they proved incapable of gaining insight from their own LSD

653
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Speaker 1: experiences of how others less fixated on making people do

654
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Speaker 1: their bid would react to the drug. So that's going

655
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Speaker 1: to marks what what we're finding is that the CIA

656
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: did indeed finance hundreds of experiments into LSD and maybe

657
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Speaker 1: even more, But what happened is that they couldn't control

658
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Speaker 1: the supply. I mean think about it. They're they're in

659
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Speaker 1: older they're in multiple college campuses, universities, right, and they

660
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: have h supplies of this hallucinogen left right, north, south,

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Speaker 1: east west. Kim Kisi was a janitor that one that

662
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Speaker 1: e he add access to it, And you're telling me

663
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Speaker 1: that guy didn't walk away sweetening the pot. Do you

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Speaker 1: guys remember that movie Half Baked abracadabra b a yeah,

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Speaker 1: scuben b which that line still doesn't make sense to me.

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Speaker 1: It haunts me at night. But in their you know,

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Speaker 1: David Dave Chappelle plays a janitor at a Yeah, a janitor.

668
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Speaker 1: What do they have like some kind of last It

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Speaker 1: was totally pre medical marijuana to that movie. So I'm

670
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Speaker 1: confused about why they had it. Was a research facility

671
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Speaker 1: of some kind. It was definitely I think the somebody

672
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Speaker 1: check us on this, But I feel like the furthest

673
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: they went was, you know, here's a lab, right, I think, So,

674
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they explained what they remember. I

675
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: remember they had all of the maui wauie. I remember

676
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Speaker 1: that was Yeah. I totally didn't understand a lot of

677
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: that movie when I first saw it. Yeah, yeah, that's

678
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: like when I saw pulp fiction when I was twelve.

679
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Speaker 1: In that whole scene with uh Uma Thurman where she

680
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Speaker 1: overdoses or whatever, I didn't understand the logistics of that,

681
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Speaker 1: the distinction between what she thought that thing was and

682
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: what it actually was. Then we're a family show. I'm

683
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: not going to get into it too much. But yeah, yeah,

684
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: kids don't don't see weird A rated movies about drugs

685
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: when you're when you're young. Yeah, I was like, I

686
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: remember thinking she is unwell and then thinking what a spoiler?

687
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: Uh and then thinking like is she a vampire? Why

688
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: did he? Did you have her in the chest? Here

689
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: are our conclusions. One thing we have to know is

690
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Speaker 1: that it is important to to recognize that the U

691
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Speaker 1: S counterculture at this time was probably no more than

692
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Speaker 1: ten percent of the youth popular you know, like the

693
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Speaker 1: youth population or that demographic. Like like Noel said, they're

694
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Speaker 1: just more visible, right, And this is something we see

695
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: speaking of cycles, this is something we see in mass

696
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: media today. The more visibly distinct people will be. You know,

697
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: the things that make good optics are good television. Even

698
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: if that's just one out of a hundred people, you're

699
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: gonna focus on that person. It also seems that the

700
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: CIA did have a power a full role in the

701
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Speaker 1: emergence of counterculture, but it might not have been so

702
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: much a grand puppeteering plan as it was a series

703
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Speaker 1: of whoops, eke my bads, you know, and unintended consequences.

704
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Speaker 1: This this goes to the idea of whether or not,

705
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, there's this disconnect that occurs sometimes because the

706
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: idea of whether or not this agency is capable of

707
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: perpetrating something like that, right, It's it's a strange and

708
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: contradictory thing that occurs sometimes where you know, you'll hear

709
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Speaker 1: people say that a government or an organization is inefficient

710
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: and a bunch of thunder heads du faces, but then

711
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: also somehow capable of duping hundreds of millions of people,

712
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: you know, those That's a it's a its own sort

713
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: of double think. But one thing that keeps us from

714
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: throwing out this idea entirely is this. It turns out

715
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: the Central Intelligence Agency of the US is absolutely capable

716
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Speaker 1: of using culture as a weapon, and furthermore, has no

717
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: compunction whatsoever about doing so. So, as The Guardian reports,

718
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: the CIA quote used American modern art, including the works

719
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Speaker 1: of such artists as Jackson Pollock, Robert Motherwell, Willem da

720
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: kooning Uh and also Mark Rothkoe as a weapon in

721
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: the Cold War in the manner of a Renaissance prince,

722
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: except that it acted secretly. The CIA fostered and promoted

723
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: American abstract expressionist painting around the world for more than

724
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: twenty years. So why did the CIA support them? Because

725
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: in the propaganda war with the Soviet Union, this new

726
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: artistic movement could be held up as proof of the creativity,

727
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: the intllectual freedom, and the cultural power of the US

728
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Speaker 1: Russian arts strapped into the communist ideological strait jacket could

729
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: not be that as a continuation of the quote, um,

730
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: there's a long one. You want to do? Sure? Yeah.

731
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Speaker 1: The decision to include culture and art in the US

732
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Speaker 1: Cold War arsenal was taken as soon as the CIA

733
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: was officially founded in They were dismayed at the appeal

734
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Communism still had for a lot of intellectuals and artists

735
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Speaker 1: in the West, and the agency set up a division

736
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Speaker 1: called the Propaganda Assets Inventory or the p AI, and

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00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: its peak it could influence more than eight hundred newspapers, magazines,

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Speaker 1: and public information organizations. They joked that it was like

739
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: a Wurlitzer jukebox. When the CIA pushed a button, it

740
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: could hear whatever tune wanted playing across the world. So

741
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: the big question goes beyond just this this historical aspect.

742
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: The big question is not just whether the CIA actively

743
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: neutralized social activism via cultural influence in the nineteen sixties. Instead,

744
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: the big question is this, what is the c I

745
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: a messing with culture wise today? And does it affect you?

746
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: And how would you how would you decipher if it

747
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: is in fact happening to you right now? How could

748
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: you tell? You have to tell me if you're a

749
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: cop right now, I'm definitely not a cop. That's also

750
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: a myth. By the way, folks, totally I've tried. It

751
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: does not work, So I went to jail. Kidding kind

752
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: of words, sounds, speaking, colors, marshmallows, all of which means

753
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: that we hope you enjoyed our exploration of the CIA's

754
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: role in the course of culture, the evolution the social

755
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: dynamics upon which so much of history hinges in this country.

756
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: And we would like to thank our friend Henry H

757
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: who suggested this topic for us, along with a couple

758
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: of other topics. We're gonna follow up with some stuff

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00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: that that that Henry Hipt the Stupe And speaking of

760
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: our fantastic listeners, it sounds like it's time for chat

761
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: at corners. I'm gonna swoop in here, guys and do

762
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: one from rich Um. He wrote an email, Hello, std

763
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: W I c K love the show. I answered your

764
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: question about a million terabytes and threw in a little

765
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: extra about recording phone calls in this document. And then

766
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: he attached a PDF that reads as follows, I'm an

767
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: electrical engineering student and I'm writing you in regards to

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00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: the question about what a million terabytes is called a

769
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: million terabytes is an exabyte, and he gives us this

770
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: helpful chart. One terabyte is a billion bytes, and then

771
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: one kilobyte is a thousand bites. One terabyte times one

772
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: kilobyte equals one exabyte. Fun idea. One telephone call is

773
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: sixty four kbps, which is kilobytes per second. Eight bits

774
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: equals one byte. One exabyte is one times ten to

775
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: the eighteen bytes eight e one eight bits equals one exabyte.

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00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: And then he's got some figures here. It's a little

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00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: over my head, but thank you for the thoroughness in

778
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: your explanation of a million terabytes. As it turns out,

779
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: it is not a bagel bite. Um. No, no, but

780
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: that would be cool. Um. And then he goes on

781
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: to say. In February of Utah Governor Gary H. Herbert

782
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: revealed that the Utah Data Center would be the first

783
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: quote facility in the world expected to gather and house

784
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: a yata bite and yata bites. Um. Since then, conflicting

785
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 1: media reports have also estimated our storage capacity in terms

786
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: of zetta bytes and XA bites. While the actual capacity

787
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: is classified for national security reasons, we can say this

788
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: the Utah Data Center was built with future expansion in mind,

789
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: and the ultimate capacity will definitely be a lot of bites.

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00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: Rich love that one. Thank you so much, Rich for

791
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: the info and for the insight. Yeah, that was really great. Rich.

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00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: You lost me an ex a bite, but you know

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00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: it's all good. It was really I enjoyed it. When

794
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: I hear numbers like that, my brain doesn't function in

795
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: that way. It just kind of goes it seriously does

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00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: That was a good sound. And our next shout out

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00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: goes to Jessica P. Jessica writes in and says, Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: I've found and started listening to your podcast about two

799
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: weeks ago while looking for something both interesting and informative

800
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: to listen to on my long commutes to work, I

801
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: spend about three hours in the car each day. Yeah,

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00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: that's rough one. Uh, thanks so much for the work

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00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: you put into these audio video series. They've certainly made

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00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: my commute more enjoyable. Secondly, have you guys ever done

805
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: anything on spontaneous human combustion? This one's near and dear

806
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: to me, as I vividly remember having seen a documentary

807
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: on it as a kid and subsequently spending the next

808
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: five to ten years and fear of suddenly catching on fire.

809
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: Any Time I would feel inexplicable centralized warmth on any

810
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: of my appendage is usually an arm. I'd rush to

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Speaker 1: the sink and start soaking the affected area in cold water,

812
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: just to put it out preemptively, I guess, to combat

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00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: what I was sure was the start of my fiery demise.

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00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: You'll be happy to hear that I grew out of

815
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: that fear, but I'd love to hear what you guys

816
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: have to say about it. If Varia got stuff up

817
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: and I missed it, please shoot me a link. Thinks

818
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: again look forward to more hours of hearing about the

819
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want me to know. Spontaneous human combustion.

820
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: You know. That made me think of a thing that

821
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Speaker 1: I heard on NPR this weekend. I believe it was

822
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Speaker 1: um wait, wait, don't tell me it was about a

823
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: It was a news story where in a Florida lawyer.

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00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna read this from the article that I

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00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 1: was pulled up. This is from the uh Syracuse dot com.

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Speaker 1: The headline is lawyers pants catch fire during Miami arson case.

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Speaker 1: So let's see um. As a Florida lawyer argued in

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Speaker 1: a court case on Wednesday that his client's car spontaneously

829
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: burst into flames, his own pants caught on fire in

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Speaker 1: front of the jury. During the argument. Stephen Gautieris was

831
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Speaker 1: fiddling in his pocket when smoke started billowing and he

832
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: had to rush out of the courtroom, reports the Miami Herald.

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Speaker 1: Jurors were then escorted out and Gutierres returned unharmed with

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Speaker 1: a burnt pocket. As it turns out, it was a

835
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: faulty E cigarette. But how amazing is it that a

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Speaker 1: lawyer arguing about a case about a car are spontaneously

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Speaker 1: combusting had their pants catch on fire. That's pretty fun. Well,

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00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: you probably have burned really badly. That's not fun. I'm

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00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: sorry about that, but it's too delicious not to No, no,

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Speaker 1: it's it says that he's okay in the article, and

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Speaker 1: our final shout out goes to Alex, who says, hey, guys,

842
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: love your show. Thank you Alex. And I'm living here

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00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: in Denver and it's a place right with conspiracies. We

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Speaker 1: have the murals at the Denver International Airport, lots of

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Speaker 1: weird stuff. They're the Stanley Hotel and nor Ad. Oh

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Speaker 1: that's what I'd like to delve into. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear a show about some of these. So keep up

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Speaker 1: the great work. Best Alex. Thank you Alex, and good suggestions. Yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you Alex, Thank you Rich and thank you Jessica.

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Speaker 1: I've got to ask, have you guys been to Colorado? Never? Once?

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Speaker 1: In my life? I have not either, although I actually

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Speaker 1: just reconnected with an old friend from youth group who

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Speaker 1: lives in Colorado and was very hid to offer a

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Speaker 1: couch to crash on any time I want to come

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Speaker 1: visit and spoke very highly of the place. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: I I have only been to the airport. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you can. If you can count just

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Speaker 1: go into an airport as going to a place. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you can. The Denver Airport. Did you

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Speaker 1: see all the weird murals and stuff? Is it wild?

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Speaker 1: It's weird and it's creepy, Like I see why it

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Speaker 1: is off putting to people. But Blue Horse and listeners,

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Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with the Denver Airport has some

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Speaker 1: very unusual, dark, kind of imperialistic looking imagery where there's

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Speaker 1: like these kind of like big centurion figures wearing gas masks,

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Speaker 1: swinging sabers, and then there's like this line of emaciated

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Speaker 1: children and refugees and it's very very dark. Look it up.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do one on that, and I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: be a whole episode is worth, but it might be

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Speaker 1: worth fitting into something about unusual murals are across the world.

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Speaker 1: And we do have a video from early year, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we do Conspiratorial career. Speaking of video, the we have

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Speaker 1: to make the announcement now because it's going out. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's happening. It's all happening. So was it in September

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Speaker 1: of last year when we went to the guidestones. It

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Speaker 1: was a while ago. We went to the Georgia Guidestones

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Speaker 1: in Elverton, Georgia, or nine miles from Elverton, Georgia, and

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Speaker 1: we we shot the stones. We discussed with nol his

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Speaker 1: personal relationship with the granite. The three of us almost

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Speaker 1: got heat stroke. I have a personal relationship with granite,

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Speaker 1: that's true. Um, And an awesome older gentleman named Wyatt,

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Speaker 1: who you who had a talk with, several talks with

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Speaker 1: and uh, he has a an even closer relationship to

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Speaker 1: the granite. Again, no sleep here, okay, yes, So the

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Speaker 1: reason why there's no sleep is because I've been up

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Speaker 1: for the past three nights past two am working on

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Speaker 1: this thing. These guys have been writing and inter like.

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Speaker 1: We interviewed Nold for this thing, and we're using a

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00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: bunch of his footage. Been has just been writing his

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Speaker 1: took us off to make this thing happen. And we're

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Speaker 1: so excited that it's finally coming out and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: you've noticed that we haven't been doing the weekly videos lately,

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Speaker 1: and we've been getting a lot of questions as to

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Speaker 1: whether they're coming back or not. We've been kind of

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Speaker 1: beating around the bush about it a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: this is our first real kind of long form peace

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Speaker 1: and we are so proud of it. Um. I personally

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Speaker 1: am just insanely proud of Matt. He's done such an

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Speaker 1: incredible job. We kind of watched the whole thing for

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Speaker 1: the most it's fiple of days ago and since then

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Speaker 1: he's I don't even know, but it was looking phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: It's really a heartfelt story. There's a lot of interesting

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Speaker 1: twists and turns, things you might not have heard about yet. Um,

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Speaker 1: even if you're familiar with the story, even if you

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Speaker 1: listen to our podcast on it, So go back, check

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Speaker 1: out the podcast and be on the lookout. Where's it

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Speaker 1: gonna be math, So yeah, the main thing here is

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Speaker 1: that it's gonna be on Amazon Video, so you can

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Speaker 1: stream it on Amazon if you have a Prime account,

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Speaker 1: it'll be a commercial free. If you don't have a

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Speaker 1: Prime account, there might be a commercial or two in there,

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Speaker 1: but it's gonna be worth it. I garonn tee it. Yes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're hopefully gonna put it on YouTube as well after

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Speaker 1: a little while. And for everyone who has listened to

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Speaker 1: our earlier audio episode on the Georgia guidestones door. This

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Speaker 1: is different enough that we promise you won't feel like

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Speaker 1: you're sitting through the same thing. With pictures, we we

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Speaker 1: took a different approach. If you are a fan of

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Speaker 1: you like this one, it will be worth your time.

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Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoy it as much as we have,

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Speaker 1: find us on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram where we're

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Speaker 1: conspiracy stuffing conspiracy of show. On our Instagram, you can

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Speaker 1: at Deep Breath stuff they don't want you to know

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Speaker 1: podcast of yours? Well? I wanna kind of do an

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Speaker 1: internal shout out really fast for Stuff of Life. Hey,

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Speaker 1: congratulations to you Noel Brown, Well, thank you. Yeah. We

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Speaker 1: just launched season two of the Stuff of Life with

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Speaker 1: our most kind of soundscaped sort of like audio journey

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Speaker 1: a little bit um and really proud of it. We've

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Speaker 1: got an episode up now called Broken, and that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be dropping Wednesdays, um for eleven episodes, So we're doing

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Speaker 1: That would help me out a lot. To hear your

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Speaker 1: thoughts and you know, actually this this season is a

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Speaker 1: little more of a political angle to it, um with

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Speaker 1: some of the stuff that's been going on in the

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Speaker 1: news right now. Stuff. It's called The Stuff of Life.

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Speaker 1: You can get it on iTunes, uh, Spotify, Stitcher, pretty

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Speaker 1: But um, yeah, it broke my heart. I listened to

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Speaker 1: It's a heart smart journey into the heart of darkness

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Speaker 1: heartily so well, I've got another quick one if that's okay. Uh,

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Speaker 1: shout out to the Church of What's happening with Joey

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Speaker 1: Coco Diaz. I learned about this gentleman. He's a comedian,

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Speaker 1: a lot in common with my wife, like from the

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Speaker 1: area in Jersey where he grew up. And he's he's

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Speaker 1: just hilarious. And that's the end of this classic episode.

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