WEBVTT - Alert and Intact 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.400 Good morning, peeps, and a welcome to ok F Daily 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:19.960 with Me your Girl. Recording from the Long Island home Bunker, Folks, 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:25.560 I am having a fucking day, and it's one of 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.240 those days where the night before I spent way too 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:35.000 many fucking hours on Twitter unpacking the latest Tucker Carlson 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:40.159 story and what I have been thinking about. As we, 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.040 you know, are getting the drip drip drip of all 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.080 of his fucking texts, probably from Fox News or some 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:52.599 affiliate of Fox News, there is something much bigger going on. 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:57.080 There is something much bigger as all of these distractions 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:02.400 that Fox and the media are putting out. I just 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.800 there is a nagging feeling that I have that it's like, 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.520 look at this shiny thing over here while we continue 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:15.920 to you know, disrupt and rob and pillage all of 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:20.399 your civil liberties over there. I want us to be 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.720 able to have the flexibility to walk and chew gum 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:28.720 at the same time, to both stay alert and yet 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.880 stay emotionally well and intact, which I am struggling with 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:39.399 this week. I came to Long Island because one I 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.360 wanted to spend time with my family, but I also 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:46.160 needed to be around just more nature and get a 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:51.400 change of scenery because I feel like I'm losing my mind, 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.280 and I know that I'm not alone. I know that's 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:58.080 why many of you come to this show to feel 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.240 like you were in community and not just a crazy 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.000 person that wants to be able to open up their 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.320 front door and just scream. I feel like if we 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:11.359 were to collectively decide to do that as like a society, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.840 just every day, at say seven pm, just open up 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.680 your front door and let out a scream for you know, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.000 one to five minutes and then just go back inside. 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.480 I feel like we would all be better off these 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:31.920 days because it's how we are all fucking feeling. I 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.320 am going to be having a conversation on this episode, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.880 a super sized conversation with my friend, doctor Christina Greer, 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.440 who is a political scientist, and you see her on 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:47.399 MSNBC and in other places talking about, you know, our 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.520 democracy and pretty much how to stay sane, and how 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:55.200 she continues to teach you know, the next generation of 0:02:55.360 --> 0:03:00.160 analysts and political scientists and you know, potential politicians and 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.880 legislators and all of these things, and how she continues 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.200 to hold on to hope because I gotta tell you, 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.680 I you know, have long nails, and I feel like 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.240 I am hanging on to the side of a cliff 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:21.800 with my claws, just you know, trying my damnedst Some 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.280 days are better than others, folks, and today is not 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.640 one of those days. I am going to go back 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.560 to what I tell you all, which is to limit 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.920 my time on social media, particularly the cesspool formerly known 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.760 as Twitter. It's just okay, Like, let me just say this. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.840 Social media this week has been crazy. On one hand, 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.600 if you're on Instagram and you use Instagram as a 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.680 way to you know, follow pretty things, you see this 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.760 whole alternative universe of like the met Gala and all 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.840 of these super wealthy, you know, famous people without a 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.880 care in the world except to where you know are 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.840 and go to fancy parties that we all drool over 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.520 because they get to live inside of a real life fantasy. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.560 Their life is a real live fantasy of you know, 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:15.960 cocktail parties and you know caviare and the like. And 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.080 then you go on to Twitter, which is just a 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.880 seft pool but also a microcosm of you know, the 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.880 existential crisis that we're all living in, whether it's the 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.160 economic crisis, the fact that rents are going up everywhere, 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.560 and pretty much there's a housing crisis and nowhere is 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.280 affordable that you know, the Feds are going to raise 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:38.240 interest rates again, that children are being found to be 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.040 working at fast food restaurants, which was just discovered by 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.479 CNN ten year olds working at a McDonald's until two 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.920 am and not getting paid, because that's fucking normal because 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.760 the Republicans are rolling back child labor laws. And then 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.680 you know, there's Republicans also rolling back the ability for 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.119 women no fault divorces in Red states, so that women 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.640 have to stay trapped inside of marriages that they want 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.479 don't want to be in. And you know, on top 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.040 of that, Carrie babies that they don't want. I feel 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:14.200 like I want to fucking scream, like I'm losing it, folks, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.960 And yeah, this is not a great week. So I 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:24.159 am going to meditate again for like the third time today, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.480 go out for a walk and take in something beautiful 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:32.480 that doesn't revolve around capitalism or patriarchy or white supremacy, 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:37.800 and hopefully tomorrow will be better. But today not fucking great. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.799 And that's okay. Some days again, are better than others, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.960 and we just have to recognize that that we're in 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.960 it right now. I don't know what the other side 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.039 looks like, or frankly, if any of us will be 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.839 alive to see it, because some days I feel like 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.719 we're about a couple of months into the hundred year 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:01.400 War and we won't know it until you know, historians 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:09.640 documented if they're still alive. Oh m mmm. I just 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.919 it's like, you want society to be better, right, Like 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:19.640 each generation's responsibility is to try and better the society. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.160 But it's like, how do you continue to push against 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:29.920 these forces that are just you know, herculean at this point, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.520 that are successfully pulling us back to the eighteen hundreds. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.760 I mean, I can't wait for them to pass, you 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:42.120 know nationwide, you know, prayer back in schools, which they're 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.960 already doing in the South. Women can't wear pants, can't 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:50.280 get a divorce, have to carry babies, can't work. I mean, 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.440 you know, I want people to understand that there was 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:59.599 a time when Iran was a democratic country, when they 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.560 were liberties, civil liberties and freedom, and then the Islamic 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.040 you know, regime came in and everything changed. And that's 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.480 what I feel like we are facing right now, and 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.520 more people just need to wake up and be conscious 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.000 to that. Coming up next, my conversation with my friend 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:25.600 doctor Christina Greer. Folks, whenever I have the opportunity to 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:30.000 speak with one of my good, good colleagues and friends 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:35.000 in the space of politics, I am so incredibly honored 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.640 always when doctor Christina Greer, political scientists and associate professor 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.400 at Fordham University, joins us and is the author of 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.680 Black Ethnics and the co host of FAQ NYC and 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:54.080 host of the Blackest Questions on the Grio Black Pods. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.720 Let me tell you something. There is not a day 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:02.440 that has gone by this year thus far where I'm 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.600 not like, oh, our democracy is in shambles, Like oh, 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.679 I think that, Oh, I think we've reached the point 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.240 of no return, Like I don't think that this is repairable. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:16.080 And I feel like historians, you know, if those people 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.200 still exist and are not you know, in prison and 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.920 in you know, someplace, we'll look back and be able 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:30.840 to pinpoint, Christina, these inflection points that marked the end 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:35.079 of our democracy. Now, you know, every time I've got 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.760 my own right, every time I talk to you, you know, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:42.440 as a professor, I'm assuming you have to have some 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.880 sense of hopefulness. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to educate 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:52.400 the future political scientists in this field. But when you're 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:58.199 kind of taking a step back, as you know, we're 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:03.400 not even six months into twenty twenty three and we're 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:08.520 seeing this not no longer slow moving insurrection. Right, it 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.200 wasn't just the violence that we saw in January sixth, 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.160 twenty twenty one. There has been an onslaught at every angle, 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.400 every level of government and every angle. What what are 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:25.319 you thinking these days? And how does that how does 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.640 that inform frankly, how you are teaching? 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.120 Well, I mean, you know, I tend to have a 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.440 pragmatic optimism just because I am with young people, and 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.200 so I think we're in really good hands. Especially you know, 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.800 I've said this before. I love this gen Z. Like 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.280 they're just they're on some like I don't take no 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:47.840 shit type of stuff. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:49.559 Like, yeah, they're kind of like us. 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.160 They're more like gen xers, you know, unlike millennials, Like 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:57.080 they're scrappier, you know, they their future is uncertain. You know, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.480 we've gone through a lot as gen xers. You know, 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.440 we've gone from like literally like tapes to you know 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.520 the Internet and like we're latchkey kids and parents like 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:06.800 good luck Bee. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.440 And nine want to get home. You know, like we 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.520 kind of raised ourselves like pop tarts and stakehems, you know. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.400 So it's we we're scrappier and gen Z has some 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.000 of that, so that makes me feel good. Yeah, we 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.439 are on the precipice. But if we really, if we're honest, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.160 we're always on the precipice. Like the reality of this 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.320 country is that we've never been in a good place. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:34.120 Never really no, no, like the ay was raven? Was 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.839 I just too young? And yeah I think we were 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.440 and like in my in my own stuff to think that, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.800 like there were better times than what the fuck we're 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.440 living through right now. Here's the thing. 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.080 The people were always here. They just didn't say it 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:51.080 out loud, but they still professionally they you know, prevented 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.560 people from getting promotions, they prevented people from moving to neighborhoods. 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.120 Now they're just like negroes. I just don't want you here. 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.600 But before and I should use the Southern accent because 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.240 it's all they these states. But like gonna say, right, 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.360 so it's you know, as Mark Dwaine always tells us, 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.360 he's like, hey, listen, you know these other women learn 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.920 from the Northern women a lot of ways. But you know, 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.920 I think now, as as Donald Trump would always say, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.080 it's like, you know, we're this silent majority and just 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.400 like say it out loud. And he's given people permission 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.560 to say things out loud. But it's not like he 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.440 taught them. He's just saying stop whispering it amongst your 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:26.199 quiet circles. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.280 You can say it like be loud and proud. So 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.240 I don't feel like, yes, are we Does it feel 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.680 like we're on the break? Absolutely, But if. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.320 We're really honest, which we're never honest about the history 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.640 of this nation right where this nation has always been, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.320 it's like we're always sort of on the break, you know. 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:51.760 I mean, then, what what is it then? Because I think, 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.200 because I think that you're right right, I think that 0:11:54.360 --> 0:12:02.319 it is this Pollyanna whitewash, purposefully whitewashed view of America 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:07.520 that we have been indoctrinated with since we entered the 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:11.080 K through twelve public education system and beyond. If you 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:14.760 went into a liberal arts college then maybe and decided 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.440 to take some classes that opened up your eyes and 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:23.680 began to the re education right of yourself. Then maybe 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:27.680 you know some other things, but the reality is, you know, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:33.560 let's take Tulsa, Oklahoma, the hundredth anniversary of the massacre 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:38.640 that was just you know, acknowledged by the first President 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:44.160 Joe Biden, right a couple of years ago, and I 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:49.839 would tell you probably nine and ten Americans didn't know 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:56.480 what that was. That this was a shock to them, 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.160 and a shock to then learn that it wasn't the first, 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.520 the second, that they're the fourth, the fifth, that you know, 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.559 we could I could keep counting, I would run out 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:11.280 of appendages. So when when you say we've always been 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:15.319 on the brink, then is it Christina that we are 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:23.480 more conscious now so it feels different or is there 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:30.400 something also very different about this particular moment, both right. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.040 And so One, first of all, we're a little bit older, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.760 so we're putting pieces together in a more complex way. Two, 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.840 we're in a twenty first century version of racist America. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.680 So like, this isn't the seventeen seventies sixth version, or 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.400 the sixteen nineteen version, or the eighteen sixty five version, 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.680 or the nineteen twenties version, or even the nineteen eighties version. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.080 So we're in the twenty twenty three episode. 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.360 And it feels different. 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:55.800 But I think, you know, we also have a few 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.720 other competing factors, So we have a lot of visible 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.000 powerful Black people aren't just like athletes and singers, right, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:06.360 So I think there's a collective freak out about white 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.439 people when it comes to equity, right, anytime there's inclusion, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.160 they see it as a loss by and large, And 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.120 so this idea that like black people and Asian people 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.200 and Ladno people and even Native people here there are 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:23.360 coming into what has always been told to them. It's 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:27.520 their space, right, their neighborhoods, their schools, their jobs. So 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.280 that's because that's the foundation of America. So it feels 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.320 as though they are losing everything, like Archie Bunker on 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.840 steroids often, you know, because that's the whole premise of 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.400 all in the fact, it's the friendly racist you know. Yeah, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.120 But I mean the genius of that show is that 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:43.680 he's mad. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:44.440 Don't forget. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.240 He's mad that the Jefferson's move into his neighborhood. Right, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.920 He's apoplectic when they move out for the Upper East 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.240 Side because they made so much money. They're like blagueens, right, 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.320 So it's like that's where we're in this moment, and 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.120 then you add in this other piece. And the other 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.400 piece is not just the four years of forty five 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.960 who said bees racist as you want, it's cool, but also. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:11.640 The proliferation of guns. Yes, and also so it's like guns, guns, guns. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:12.680 Anybody can get guns. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:16.120 You can get them legally, illegally. You can get guns 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.359 that can blow up children. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.240 In three minutes, as we've seen three minutes, in three seconds, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:22.200 three seconds. 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.240 Yeah, you add on top of that and it was 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.640 literally justll in my therapist this today. COVID is going 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:34.080 to take a while for us to ever fully process 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.400 like that year and a half of like the intense 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.680 we're still in COVID, but like from that March twenty 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.080 twenty to sort of like kind of like the end 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.240 of twenty twenty one when it was really intense or 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:48.320 maybe even why I. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.400 Would say again. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.880 Because that's when omicron popped back up, right, So like 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.440 let's just let's just say two years, right, I'll. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.200 March to March right, March twenty twenty. March twenty twenty two. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.520 We had over a million deaths that were just not 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.440 are like we still talk about nine to eleven as 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:06.400 we should right. 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.760 But we don't talk. But we don't talk. You said 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.200 to process, and I'm like, to process something, I'm in 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.400 therapy too. One would have to acknowledge you have to 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:18.320 be something and so to be processed. So again with racism, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.320 we got to acknowledge that it's here. Well most Americans 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:22.000 are you. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.320 Guys are just being so histrionic and you're always making 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.040 something out of an ealthy right. So when I, you know, 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.840 talk about what what happens to a sixteen year old 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.440 boy who's being shot in the head, and I start with, 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.280 why are you all leading the story with he was 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.840 an upstanding student and in the band. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.880 I'm like, that shouldn't matter. I don't put it was 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.240 a drug dealer on the street. He's a child. He 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.560 shouldn't get shot in the head. And people are like, well, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.960 you know what, he's in the wrong neighborhood. If he 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:50.440 didn't want to get shot, he shouldn't have been a 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.960 white neighboro That's the immediate response I get, right, Or 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.160 if I'm talking about children at the border and I'm like, 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.600 how can this country separate to this? You know, during 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.320 the forty five's administration, separating children who are so young, 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.760 they don't know their names, they don't know their parents' names. 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.200 They will never they won't right in and this remind 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:14.560 people they were using sharpies to write on baby's arms. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.880 Just I see my child one day. Who knows, right, 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.280 we'll hopefully use DNA evidence to like reunite. And we 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.600 don't know about the sex trafficking or the labor like 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.840 all these things that these poor children are going to 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.920 endure and are enduring probably right now, right, And then 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.520 people message me, if they don't want to lose their kids, 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.120 they shouldn't have come here. So and it's like, right, 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.080 but your ancestors came here, didn't speak a look at English. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.239 They came here on boats too, you know. So like 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.800 this lack of seeing other people as human has always existed, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.600 and it's like it's wild for us. But I think 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.600 what also feels very different, And this is why I 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.040 love Mark Twain and I'm on the board of the 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.720 Mark Twain House, is because Mark Twain has always talked 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.000 about white women. He's always put them up there, just 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:58.719 like I think a lot of people are shocked, like 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:03.000 what women are upholding picturearchy, racism? Can you imagine? And 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:04.760 I think for a lot of people they're learning it 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.680 for the first time, and a lot of white women 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.320 are like, yo, what's out with my people? Like I'm 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:11.720 not like that, but like there are a lot of 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.399 white women who were doing things that are like the 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.719 antithesis of like what would ever help move women along? 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:18.760 Or like people like me whenever it may be, But 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.080 it's like, right, but we don't respect history in this country. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.000 We I mean, we've seen time and time again. It's 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.200 not just Ron Desantists who's sort of trying to make sure. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.080 We're a historic. We've been a historic. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.400 This is why we didn't learn about Tulsa in school, right, 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:34.520 This is why we didn't learn about Black Wall Street 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:34.959 in school. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.119 This is why the four black people that you know, 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.840 most Americans know are Martin Luther King, Frederick Douglass, to 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.040 journ the truth, Harriet Tubman. That's it. 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.080 Nobody talked about Mary mclabathoo. Right, and so like part 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.160 of my podcast, you know, people, these questions are hard. 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.240 It's like because we should know them, because black history 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:52.879 is American history, and if we don't know it, then 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.760 we're lying to ourselves. So like we have to ask ourselves, 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.560 why is it that the selective history, like all the 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.080 Native Americans who were snatch from reservations or first of 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.960 all put on reservations and then snatch from reservations and 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.159 sent to these schools, similarly to what we're doing with 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.880 kids on the border, you know, like basically imprisoning them 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.439 and like indoctrinating them and making them speak English and 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.639 lose their native language. They've never seen their parents. Rampant 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.560 sexual abuse and mental and physical and emotional abuse. We've 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.359 been doing that, Like we didn't learn about that in 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.439 school either. So this idea that we take things out 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.840 of the educational system, is it new? This idea that 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.960 white women have pold patriarchy, racism, is it new? This 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.320 idea that white people don't want people of color in 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.600 their homes, neighborhoods, schools, you know, all the things we. 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:40.040 Talked about this Danielle Upper west Side two years ago. 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:41.720 A few years ago, w into BLOSSI was trying to 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:45.160 make folks combine the two public schools K through five, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.320 the one that was fancy and the one that served 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:51.080 the kids in the Project Black Latino primarily these white mothers. 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.000 You would think we're Mississippi nineteen sixty two, the way, 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.160 it was like, you can't these kids in my school. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.520 First of all, it's a public school, easy killer. Second 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.040 of all, do you really think that a five year 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.080 old is going to become quote unquote dumber just from 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.640 having a black kid in their class? Yes, they do, 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.879 because they have had because they have been spending their 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:15.040 entire you know, life savings and what have you on 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.320 the nannies and on the tutors and on this that 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.919 and the other things. So the idea of black and 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:24.000 Latino children in your child's classroom means that the classroom 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.040 room must be inferior. That's what. That's what, that's what 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.960 that taught. That's exactly what, and that's what you fundamentally believe. 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.600 Because if you look at Jose and he speaks English 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.320 and Spanish, it's a negative. But your kid with the 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.440 private nanny teaching them Spanish, all of a sudden, it's 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:39.320 like it's a leg u. 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.440 You know. So like even how we fray up being 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.959 bilingual or bicoastal, whatever it may be, or having you know, 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.399 parents who are immigrants. I mean, first of all, like 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.320 Donald Trump, four of your five kids are children of 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.120 an immigrant, Like you're so anti immigrant. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.879 Two of your three wives are immigrants. Immigrants, immigrants, not 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.960 just like a little bit, right. So I say all 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:08.159 that to say we're in dark times. Yeah, but I'm like, 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:08.920 I know who. 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.320 This country is. She's the same as she always is. 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:15.680 So it's like, I'm not freaking out because she doesn't 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.720 really surprise me that much. And my grandmother used to 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.560 always say, the only time you should be surprised is 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:28.159 when you're surprised. You know what it is for me 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:33.919 these days is that I am not surprised. I am 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:39.000 exhausted by grief. Yeah, right, it is not It is 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.440 not the surprise because this country has been stealing black 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:48.080 and brown children from their mother's wounds, from their homes, 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:53.800 from you know, since the beginning of time. Right, i 0:21:53.840 --> 0:22:03.160 am exhausted by the fact that there is no corner 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:09.160 of this country that is safe for black people. I'm 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:15.560 exhausted that there was just the NRA, Right, the NRA, 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:22.119 following two back to back mass shootings, host their fucking convention, 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:27.800 and there were pictures going around the internet of young 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:36.080 white boys holding up guns yeah to cameras, right, And 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:40.479 I'm thinking to myself, and yet a black boy in 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.919 this country can't get lost. Right, a black boy in 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.280 this country can't play on a playground with a fake gun, 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:53.520 but a white boy can hold up a real one. 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:57.000 Ain't gonna be and that be considered cute and okay, 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.919 So I just it is not this. I'm not surprised. 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:06.520 I'm just exhausted by grief. And I don't really know 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:12.679 even understanding but a smidge of the history that I 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:16.719 should know. I don't know what to do with the 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:18.399 persistent grief. 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:25.480 Yeah, I mean, listen, when whoever figures that out will 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.160 get the Nobel Peace Prize, because I literally I mean 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.960 that was the topic of today's therapy session, which. 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:33.080 Was I'm numb. 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:38.439 Yeah, when I say I'm exhausted because I can't, I 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.119 can't allow myself to fully understand it. 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.280 Right, I think that I was like, I think the 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.080 people who were crazy on the subway, who were like. 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:51.480 I don't want to used to work crazy, the people 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.199 who are on the subway like talking to themselves and 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:58.639 like clearly not on this planet with us. Fully, I'm like, 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.840