1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and a welcome to ok F Daily 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: with Me your Girl. Recording from the Long Island home Bunker, Folks, 3 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: I am having a fucking day, and it's one of 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: those days where the night before I spent way too 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: many fucking hours on Twitter unpacking the latest Tucker Carlson 6 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: story and what I have been thinking about. As we, 7 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, are getting the drip drip drip of all 8 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: of his fucking texts, probably from Fox News or some 9 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: affiliate of Fox News, there is something much bigger going on. 10 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: There is something much bigger as all of these distractions 11 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: that Fox and the media are putting out. I just 12 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: there is a nagging feeling that I have that it's like, 13 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: look at this shiny thing over here while we continue 14 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: to you know, disrupt and rob and pillage all of 15 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: your civil liberties over there. I want us to be 16 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: able to have the flexibility to walk and chew gum 17 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: at the same time, to both stay alert and yet 18 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: stay emotionally well and intact, which I am struggling with 19 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: this week. I came to Long Island because one I 20 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: wanted to spend time with my family, but I also 21 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: needed to be around just more nature and get a 22 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: change of scenery because I feel like I'm losing my mind, 23 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: and I know that I'm not alone. I know that's 24 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: why many of you come to this show to feel 25 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: like you were in community and not just a crazy 26 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: person that wants to be able to open up their 27 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: front door and just scream. I feel like if we 28 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: were to collectively decide to do that as like a society, 29 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: just every day, at say seven pm, just open up 30 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: your front door and let out a scream for you know, 31 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: one to five minutes and then just go back inside. 32 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: I feel like we would all be better off these 33 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: days because it's how we are all fucking feeling. I 34 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: am going to be having a conversation on this episode, 35 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: a super sized conversation with my friend, doctor Christina Greer, 36 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: who is a political scientist, and you see her on 37 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 1: MSNBC and in other places talking about, you know, our 38 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: democracy and pretty much how to stay sane, and how 39 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: she continues to teach you know, the next generation of 40 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: analysts and political scientists and you know, potential politicians and 41 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: legislators and all of these things, and how she continues 42 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: to hold on to hope because I gotta tell you, 43 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: I you know, have long nails, and I feel like 44 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: I am hanging on to the side of a cliff 45 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: with my claws, just you know, trying my damnedst Some 46 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: days are better than others, folks, and today is not 47 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: one of those days. I am going to go back 48 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: to what I tell you all, which is to limit 49 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: my time on social media, particularly the cesspool formerly known 50 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: as Twitter. It's just okay, Like, let me just say this. 51 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: Social media this week has been crazy. On one hand, 52 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: if you're on Instagram and you use Instagram as a 53 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: way to you know, follow pretty things, you see this 54 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: whole alternative universe of like the met Gala and all 55 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: of these super wealthy, you know, famous people without a 56 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: care in the world except to where you know are 57 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: and go to fancy parties that we all drool over 58 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: because they get to live inside of a real life fantasy. 59 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: Their life is a real live fantasy of you know, 60 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: cocktail parties and you know caviare and the like. And 61 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: then you go on to Twitter, which is just a 62 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: seft pool but also a microcosm of you know, the 63 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: existential crisis that we're all living in, whether it's the 64 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: economic crisis, the fact that rents are going up everywhere, 65 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: and pretty much there's a housing crisis and nowhere is 66 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: affordable that you know, the Feds are going to raise 67 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: interest rates again, that children are being found to be 68 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: working at fast food restaurants, which was just discovered by 69 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: CNN ten year olds working at a McDonald's until two 70 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: am and not getting paid, because that's fucking normal because 71 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: the Republicans are rolling back child labor laws. And then 72 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's Republicans also rolling back the ability for 73 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 1: women no fault divorces in Red states, so that women 74 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: have to stay trapped inside of marriages that they want 75 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: don't want to be in. And you know, on top 76 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: of that, Carrie babies that they don't want. I feel 77 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: like I want to fucking scream, like I'm losing it, folks, 78 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, this is not a great week. So I 79 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: am going to meditate again for like the third time today, 80 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: go out for a walk and take in something beautiful 81 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: that doesn't revolve around capitalism or patriarchy or white supremacy, 82 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: and hopefully tomorrow will be better. But today not fucking great. 83 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: And that's okay. Some days again, are better than others, 84 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: and we just have to recognize that that we're in 85 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: it right now. I don't know what the other side 86 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: looks like, or frankly, if any of us will be 87 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: alive to see it, because some days I feel like 88 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: we're about a couple of months into the hundred year 89 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: War and we won't know it until you know, historians 90 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: documented if they're still alive. Oh m mmm. I just 91 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: it's like, you want society to be better, right, Like 92 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: each generation's responsibility is to try and better the society. 93 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: But it's like, how do you continue to push against 94 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: these forces that are just you know, herculean at this point, 95 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: that are successfully pulling us back to the eighteen hundreds. 96 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't wait for them to pass, you 97 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: know nationwide, you know, prayer back in schools, which they're 98 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: already doing in the South. Women can't wear pants, can't 99 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: get a divorce, have to carry babies, can't work. I mean, 100 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, I want people to understand that there was 101 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: a time when Iran was a democratic country, when they 102 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: were liberties, civil liberties and freedom, and then the Islamic 103 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, regime came in and everything changed. And that's 104 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: what I feel like we are facing right now, and 105 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: more people just need to wake up and be conscious 106 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: to that. Coming up next, my conversation with my friend 107 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: doctor Christina Greer. Folks, whenever I have the opportunity to 108 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: speak with one of my good, good colleagues and friends 109 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: in the space of politics, I am so incredibly honored 110 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: always when doctor Christina Greer, political scientists and associate professor 111 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: at Fordham University, joins us and is the author of 112 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: Black Ethnics and the co host of FAQ NYC and 113 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: host of the Blackest Questions on the Grio Black Pods. 114 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. There is not a day 115 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: that has gone by this year thus far where I'm 116 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: not like, oh, our democracy is in shambles, Like oh, 117 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 1: I think that, Oh, I think we've reached the point 118 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: of no return, Like I don't think that this is repairable. 119 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: And I feel like historians, you know, if those people 120 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: still exist and are not you know, in prison and 121 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: in you know, someplace, we'll look back and be able 122 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: to pinpoint, Christina, these inflection points that marked the end 123 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: of our democracy. Now, you know, every time I've got 124 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: my own right, every time I talk to you, you know, 125 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: as a professor, I'm assuming you have to have some 126 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: sense of hopefulness. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to educate 127 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: the future political scientists in this field. But when you're 128 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: kind of taking a step back, as you know, we're 129 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: not even six months into twenty twenty three and we're 130 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: seeing this not no longer slow moving insurrection. Right, it 131 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: wasn't just the violence that we saw in January sixth, 132 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. There has been an onslaught at every angle, 133 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: every level of government and every angle. What what are 134 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: you thinking these days? And how does that how does 135 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: that inform frankly, how you are teaching? 136 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, I tend to have a 137 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: pragmatic optimism just because I am with young people, and 138 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: so I think we're in really good hands. Especially you know, 139 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: I've said this before. I love this gen Z. Like 140 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: they're just they're on some like I don't take no 141 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: shit type of stuff. 142 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, they're kind of like us. 143 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: They're more like gen xers, you know, unlike millennials, Like 144 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: they're scrappier, you know, they their future is uncertain. You know, 145 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: we've gone through a lot as gen xers. You know, 146 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: we've gone from like literally like tapes to you know 147 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: the Internet and like we're latchkey kids and parents like 148 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: good luck Bee. 149 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: And nine want to get home. You know, like we 150 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: kind of raised ourselves like pop tarts and stakehems, you know. 151 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: So it's we we're scrappier and gen Z has some 152 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: of that, so that makes me feel good. Yeah, we 153 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 2: are on the precipice. But if we really, if we're honest, 154 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: we're always on the precipice. Like the reality of this 155 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: country is that we've never been in a good place. 156 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: Never really no, no, like the ay was raven? Was 157 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: I just too young? And yeah I think we were 158 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: and like in my in my own stuff to think that, 159 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: like there were better times than what the fuck we're 160 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: living through right now. Here's the thing. 161 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: The people were always here. They just didn't say it 162 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: out loud, but they still professionally they you know, prevented 163 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: people from getting promotions, they prevented people from moving to neighborhoods. 164 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: Now they're just like negroes. I just don't want you here. 165 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: But before and I should use the Southern accent because 166 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: it's all they these states. But like gonna say, right, 167 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: so it's you know, as Mark Dwaine always tells us, 168 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: he's like, hey, listen, you know these other women learn 169 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: from the Northern women a lot of ways. But you know, 170 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: I think now, as as Donald Trump would always say, 171 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, we're this silent majority and just 172 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: like say it out loud. And he's given people permission 173 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: to say things out loud. But it's not like he 174 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: taught them. He's just saying stop whispering it amongst your 175 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: quiet circles. 176 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: You can say it like be loud and proud. So 177 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: I don't feel like, yes, are we Does it feel 178 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: like we're on the break? Absolutely, But if. 179 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: We're really honest, which we're never honest about the history 180 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: of this nation right where this nation has always been, 181 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: it's like we're always sort of on the break, you know. 182 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: I mean, then, what what is it then? Because I think, 183 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: because I think that you're right right, I think that 184 00:11:54,360 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: it is this Pollyanna whitewash, purposefully whitewashed view of America 185 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: that we have been indoctrinated with since we entered the 186 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: K through twelve public education system and beyond. If you 187 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: went into a liberal arts college then maybe and decided 188 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: to take some classes that opened up your eyes and 189 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: began to the re education right of yourself. Then maybe 190 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: you know some other things, but the reality is, you know, 191 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: let's take Tulsa, Oklahoma, the hundredth anniversary of the massacre 192 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: that was just you know, acknowledged by the first President 193 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, right a couple of years ago, and I 194 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: would tell you probably nine and ten Americans didn't know 195 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: what that was. That this was a shock to them, 196 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: and a shock to then learn that it wasn't the first, 197 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: the second, that they're the fourth, the fifth, that you know, 198 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: we could I could keep counting, I would run out 199 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: of appendages. So when when you say we've always been 200 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: on the brink, then is it Christina that we are 201 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: more conscious now so it feels different or is there 202 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: something also very different about this particular moment, both right. 203 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: And so One, first of all, we're a little bit older, 204 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: so we're putting pieces together in a more complex way. Two, 205 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: we're in a twenty first century version of racist America. 206 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: So like, this isn't the seventeen seventies sixth version, or 207 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: the sixteen nineteen version, or the eighteen sixty five version, 208 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: or the nineteen twenties version, or even the nineteen eighties version. 209 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: So we're in the twenty twenty three episode. 210 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: And it feels different. 211 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: But I think, you know, we also have a few 212 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: other competing factors, So we have a lot of visible 213 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: powerful Black people aren't just like athletes and singers, right, 214 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: So I think there's a collective freak out about white 215 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 2: people when it comes to equity, right, anytime there's inclusion, 216 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: they see it as a loss by and large, And 217 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: so this idea that like black people and Asian people 218 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: and Ladno people and even Native people here there are 219 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: coming into what has always been told to them. It's 220 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: their space, right, their neighborhoods, their schools, their jobs. So 221 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: that's because that's the foundation of America. So it feels 222 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: as though they are losing everything, like Archie Bunker on 223 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: steroids often, you know, because that's the whole premise of 224 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: all in the fact, it's the friendly racist you know. Yeah, 225 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: But I mean the genius of that show is that 226 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: he's mad. 227 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: Don't forget. 228 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: He's mad that the Jefferson's move into his neighborhood. Right, 229 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: He's apoplectic when they move out for the Upper East 230 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: Side because they made so much money. They're like blagueens, right, 231 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: So it's like that's where we're in this moment, and 232 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: then you add in this other piece. And the other 233 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: piece is not just the four years of forty five 234 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: who said bees racist as you want, it's cool, but also. 235 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: The proliferation of guns. Yes, and also so it's like guns, guns, guns. 236 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: Anybody can get guns. 237 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: You can get them legally, illegally. You can get guns 238 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,359 Speaker 2: that can blow up children. 239 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: In three minutes, as we've seen three minutes, in three seconds, 240 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: three seconds. 241 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you add on top of that and it was 242 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: literally justll in my therapist this today. COVID is going 243 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: to take a while for us to ever fully process 244 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: like that year and a half of like the intense 245 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: we're still in COVID, but like from that March twenty 246 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: twenty to sort of like kind of like the end 247 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one when it was really intense or 248 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: maybe even why I. 249 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: Would say again. 250 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: Because that's when omicron popped back up, right, So like 251 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: let's just let's just say two years, right, I'll. 252 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: March to March right, March twenty twenty. March twenty twenty two. 253 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: We had over a million deaths that were just not 254 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: are like we still talk about nine to eleven as 255 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: we should right. 256 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: But we don't talk. But we don't talk. You said 257 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: to process, and I'm like, to process something, I'm in 258 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: therapy too. One would have to acknowledge you have to 259 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: be something and so to be processed. So again with racism, 260 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: we got to acknowledge that it's here. Well most Americans 261 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: are you. 262 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: Guys are just being so histrionic and you're always making 263 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: something out of an ealthy right. So when I, you know, 264 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: talk about what what happens to a sixteen year old 265 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: boy who's being shot in the head, and I start with, 266 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: why are you all leading the story with he was 267 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: an upstanding student and in the band. 268 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, that shouldn't matter. I don't put it was 269 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: a drug dealer on the street. He's a child. He 270 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: shouldn't get shot in the head. And people are like, well, 271 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: you know what, he's in the wrong neighborhood. If he 272 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: didn't want to get shot, he shouldn't have been a 273 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: white neighboro That's the immediate response I get, right, Or 274 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: if I'm talking about children at the border and I'm like, 275 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: how can this country separate to this? You know, during 276 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: the forty five's administration, separating children who are so young, 277 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: they don't know their names, they don't know their parents' names. 278 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: They will never they won't right in and this remind 279 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: people they were using sharpies to write on baby's arms. 280 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: Just I see my child one day. Who knows, right, 281 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: we'll hopefully use DNA evidence to like reunite. And we 282 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: don't know about the sex trafficking or the labor like 283 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: all these things that these poor children are going to 284 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: endure and are enduring probably right now, right, And then 285 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: people message me, if they don't want to lose their kids, 286 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: they shouldn't have come here. So and it's like, right, 287 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: but your ancestors came here, didn't speak a look at English. 288 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,239 Speaker 2: They came here on boats too, you know. So like 289 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: this lack of seeing other people as human has always existed, 290 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: and it's like it's wild for us. But I think 291 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: what also feels very different, And this is why I 292 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: love Mark Twain and I'm on the board of the 293 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: Mark Twain House, is because Mark Twain has always talked 294 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: about white women. He's always put them up there, just 295 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 2: like I think a lot of people are shocked, like 296 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: what women are upholding picturearchy, racism? Can you imagine? And 297 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people they're learning it 298 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: for the first time, and a lot of white women 299 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: are like, yo, what's out with my people? Like I'm 300 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: not like that, but like there are a lot of 301 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: white women who were doing things that are like the 302 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 2: antithesis of like what would ever help move women along? 303 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: Or like people like me whenever it may be, But 304 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: it's like, right, but we don't respect history in this country. 305 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: We I mean, we've seen time and time again. It's 306 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: not just Ron Desantists who's sort of trying to make sure. 307 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: We're a historic. We've been a historic. 308 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 2: This is why we didn't learn about Tulsa in school, right, 309 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: This is why we didn't learn about Black Wall Street 310 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 2: in school. 311 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: This is why the four black people that you know, 312 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: most Americans know are Martin Luther King, Frederick Douglass, to 313 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: journ the truth, Harriet Tubman. That's it. 314 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: Nobody talked about Mary mclabathoo. Right, and so like part 315 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: of my podcast, you know, people, these questions are hard. 316 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: It's like because we should know them, because black history 317 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: is American history, and if we don't know it, then 318 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: we're lying to ourselves. So like we have to ask ourselves, 319 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: why is it that the selective history, like all the 320 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: Native Americans who were snatch from reservations or first of 321 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: all put on reservations and then snatch from reservations and 322 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 2: sent to these schools, similarly to what we're doing with 323 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 2: kids on the border, you know, like basically imprisoning them 324 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 2: and like indoctrinating them and making them speak English and 325 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: lose their native language. They've never seen their parents. Rampant 326 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: sexual abuse and mental and physical and emotional abuse. We've 327 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: been doing that, Like we didn't learn about that in 328 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 2: school either. So this idea that we take things out 329 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: of the educational system, is it new? This idea that 330 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 2: white women have pold patriarchy, racism, is it new? This 331 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: idea that white people don't want people of color in 332 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: their homes, neighborhoods, schools, you know, all the things we. 333 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: Talked about this Danielle Upper west Side two years ago. 334 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: A few years ago, w into BLOSSI was trying to 335 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 2: make folks combine the two public schools K through five, 336 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: the one that was fancy and the one that served 337 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: the kids in the Project Black Latino primarily these white mothers. 338 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: You would think we're Mississippi nineteen sixty two, the way, 339 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: it was like, you can't these kids in my school. 340 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: First of all, it's a public school, easy killer. Second 341 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: of all, do you really think that a five year 342 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: old is going to become quote unquote dumber just from 343 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: having a black kid in their class? Yes, they do, 344 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: because they have had because they have been spending their 345 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: entire you know, life savings and what have you on 346 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: the nannies and on the tutors and on this that 347 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: and the other things. So the idea of black and 348 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: Latino children in your child's classroom means that the classroom 349 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: room must be inferior. That's what. That's what, that's what 350 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: that taught. That's exactly what, and that's what you fundamentally believe. 351 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: Because if you look at Jose and he speaks English 352 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: and Spanish, it's a negative. But your kid with the 353 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: private nanny teaching them Spanish, all of a sudden, it's 354 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: like it's a leg u. 355 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: You know. So like even how we fray up being 356 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 1: bilingual or bicoastal, whatever it may be, or having you know, 357 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: parents who are immigrants. I mean, first of all, like 358 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, four of your five kids are children of 359 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: an immigrant, Like you're so anti immigrant. 360 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: Two of your three wives are immigrants. Immigrants, immigrants, not 361 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: just like a little bit, right. So I say all 362 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: that to say we're in dark times. Yeah, but I'm like, 363 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: I know who. 364 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: This country is. She's the same as she always is. 365 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm not freaking out because she doesn't 366 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: really surprise me that much. And my grandmother used to 367 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: always say, the only time you should be surprised is 368 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: when you're surprised. You know what it is for me 369 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: these days is that I am not surprised. I am 370 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: exhausted by grief. Yeah, right, it is not It is 371 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: not the surprise because this country has been stealing black 372 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: and brown children from their mother's wounds, from their homes, 373 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: from you know, since the beginning of time. Right, i 374 00:21:53,840 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: am exhausted by the fact that there is no corner 375 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: of this country that is safe for black people. I'm 376 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: exhausted that there was just the NRA, Right, the NRA, 377 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: following two back to back mass shootings, host their fucking convention, 378 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: and there were pictures going around the internet of young 379 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: white boys holding up guns yeah to cameras, right, And 380 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, and yet a black boy in 381 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: this country can't get lost. Right, a black boy in 382 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: this country can't play on a playground with a fake gun, 383 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: but a white boy can hold up a real one. 384 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: Ain't gonna be and that be considered cute and okay, 385 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: So I just it is not this. I'm not surprised. 386 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm just exhausted by grief. And I don't really know 387 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: even understanding but a smidge of the history that I 388 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 1: should know. I don't know what to do with the 389 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: persistent grief. 390 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, when whoever figures that out will 391 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: get the Nobel Peace Prize, because I literally I mean 392 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 3: that was the topic of today's therapy session, which. 393 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: Was I'm numb. 394 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, when I say I'm exhausted because I can't, I 395 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: can't allow myself to fully understand it. 396 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: Right, I think that I was like, I think the 397 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: people who were crazy on the subway, who were like. 398 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to used to work crazy, the people 399 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 2: who are on the subway like talking to themselves and 400 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 2: like clearly not on this planet with us. Fully, I'm like, 401 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: I think that they're brain are like processing all that 402 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: is happening, or at least more of what is happening 403 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: than we are. Because if my brain allowed me to process, 404 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: first of all. 405 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: The past. Forget about how were you even here? 406 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: My brain camp process, How we have sharks on the 407 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 2: East coast, it should be in Africa, right, plankton and 408 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: seaweed and fish, like there were so many people that 409 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 2: were thrown overboard. It's like we have a whole literally 410 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: marine ecosystem that has changed because of the transnational both 411 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: we also, you know, like thinking about white people used 412 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,239 Speaker 2: to use black children as bait when they would you 413 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: know out here, don't like all these things. George Washington 414 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: ripping the teeth out of his enslaved Africans, you know, 415 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: wearing them as the teeth. 416 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: But we're taught it's wooden teeth, like just lies, lies, lies, lies, right, 417 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: the incessant rape, people liking this shit in their enslaved Africans' mouths. 418 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: Like just horrid, horrid stuff like brain camp process. But 419 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: then I bring it to the twenty first century, and 420 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: it's like after Sandy Hook is, you know, when you 421 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: start off talking about like what are these inflection points 422 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 2: where it's like we lose you know, we've lost democracy. 423 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 2: Sandy Hook is on that list, right, because the middle 424 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: class white children, And I said and I mean, this 425 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: isn't you. 426 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: Know, profound? Everyone said it, who cares about these issues? 427 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: But we all said, if they let this slide white children, yep, 428 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: beautiful little middle class white children. If they're gonna let 429 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: these babies get murdered in school and do nothing about it, 430 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: we're done. 431 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 2: Were done where none of us are safe, and white 432 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: people will soon find out that they're not safe either. 433 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: Right. But I was like, but blood people, damn sure, 434 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: it's it. 435 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 2: And then what happened Obama hired crisis actors. That's when 436 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 2: also it was like, oh, we've just jumped the shark. 437 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: We I mean, this is where's the bonds in his 438 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: leather jacket? We have fully jumped the shark right now. 439 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: So there's that. 440 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: I think O. J. 441 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 2: Simpson's an inflection point like that, do you realize if 442 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 2: you talk to it, if you listen to like white 443 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: people talk on podcast, TV shows, like scripted TV shows, whatever, 444 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: in conversation, the number of times that OJ Simpson is 445 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: brought up is fascinating to me. Folks are still feeling it, 446 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: like that is the first time where they're like this 447 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 2: negro got off Scott free, like the way they're accustomed 448 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: to getting off Scott free. But we we that was 449 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: the first time it was like class trumped money, and 450 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: and it was a white woman and she was blonde, 451 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: Like just a whole bunch of stuff. If you start 452 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 2: paying attention, you'll realize the number of shows where it's 453 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: like oj Simpsons still comes up like this thing happened 454 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: last year. Obama's another inflection point. It's like educated black man, 455 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 2: his black family, like all these highly successful, smart black 456 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: people that he hired, where all of a sudden, it's like, wait, 457 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: that one black kid in the class that nobody talked to. 458 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's a gaggle of us, Like you 459 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: put us. 460 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: All together, right, It's like so then all of a sudden, 461 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: it's like they started realizing it's like, well that one 462 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: black give you'm your class, one black kid from his class, 463 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: and that one black from our class. He's like, right 464 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: now we're a whole cohort and low key we know 465 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: each other. 466 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: So like, you also can't get away with some of 467 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 2: your bad behavior because we do know each other, and 468 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: now we no longer suffer in silence. We actually talk 469 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: to each other about your bad behavior. So and we're 470 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 2: your boss. So that's a whole other thing because most 471 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 2: most white people have never First of all, they don't 472 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: have white friends or black friends, but they don't have 473 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 2: black bosses. Like this is why I think it's so 474 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 2: important to have black teachers. You know, a friend of mine, 475 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: Misha Mosley, doctor Misha Mosley, started the Black Teacher Project 476 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: because it's like most black people have never most white 477 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: people have never had a black person in a position 478 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: of power over them, black boss, black teacher, black principal. 479 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: And you see the constraints and the struggles that black 480 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: teachers go through with their administrators and you know, sort 481 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: of their colleagues who don't respect them in the same ways. 482 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 2: You know, I see it as a black professor, the 483 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: charals and tribulations of not just getting the PhD, but 484 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: also getting tenure. 485 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: You know, like all these things. It's like, it's still America. 486 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 2: So just because we're in one profession, it's not like 487 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 2: racism doesn't exist in the profession, but it is. You know, 488 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 2: journalists talk about it, doctor's talk about it, nurses talking 489 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: about it, everybody. 490 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: It's just I guess also where I find myself is 491 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: that in the listing of accomplishments and achievements right of 492 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: black people. Despite every purposeful, racist, systemic obstacle that is 493 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: placed in our way, there's more than one cohort of successful, intelligent, 494 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: all you know black folks, right, and this challenges the 495 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: white worldview. And so here we find ourselves. Now, what 496 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: are we fit? Twelve years removed from Obama's first term, 497 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: and we find ourselves experiencing white lash to the ninth degree, 498 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: right that. I don't think I knew that there would be. 499 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: I didn't think that the backlash. I didn't think that 500 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: the white lash that is occurring would take us back 501 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: to the eighteen hundreds, right, Like I didn't think it 502 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: would go back there, right, Yeah, But if we'd look, 503 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean, who came after David Dinkins a series of 504 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: life mass Rudi Giuliani right, specifically right everything like what 505 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: happened to Rundiguland was like nothing. He was always this way. 506 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: He's the one who led the riot on City Hall 507 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: property with a whole bunch of drunken belize and fire 508 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: employees of New York City threatening to hang David Dinkins 509 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: when he was mayor, calling him a shoeshine boy and 510 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: the N word while he's in City Hall, and had 511 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: they broken through the barriers, lord knows what they would 512 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: have done, throwing cans and bottles at city Hall led 513 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: by Rudy Giuliani with a bullhorn. So like history doesn't 514 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: how to wait, how do we remember him America's mayor? 515 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: Until of course, fast forward to Donald Trump with the 516 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: die dripping down it and everyone's like, what happened to him? 517 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: It's like, nothing happened to him. He's the same guy. 518 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: You guys just decided to choose five minutes in time 519 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: with this, with this racist ignoramus and here we are, 520 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: right And so it's like America has all these data points. 521 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: It's just people don't like to connect the docks. 522 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: And I do this before, you know, when it comes 523 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: to like white allies, we're always just like what can 524 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: I do? And you remember when you were growing up 525 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: and you have you know, companies coming over Thanksgiving, Christmas 526 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 2: or whatever. It's time to get the house together, right, 527 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: like all hands on deck, you know, moms in the kitchen, 528 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: we got things popping, and it's like people are coming, like, 529 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: we got to get this house together. And I swear 530 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: to you if my mom heard me ask the question, 531 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: what do you should to do? 532 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: Point? 533 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 2: She was like, look around, look around, like I will 534 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: not sit here and go through an itemized list when 535 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: we have two hours. 536 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: Before everyone gets here. 537 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, vacuming needs to be done and 538 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: trash cans and beds made. The house needs to look 539 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: a certain way. You know what the house needs to 540 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: look like, So. 541 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: Get to it. Stop acting like you don't know what 542 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: it means to entertain and have the house prepared right. 543 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: Set this table, smait this floor, like, get yourself together, 544 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: get your buying right. 545 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: So it's like that's why I feel about white people 546 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,719 Speaker 1: were like excuse me, chrissy, Like what should I be doing? Girl? 547 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: If we're in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty 548 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: three and you were looking around at this disheveled house 549 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: and you were asking be what you what needs to 550 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 1: be picked up and taking upstairs? Like stop passing all 551 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: the things old you know the bottom of the stairs 552 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: that need to be taken upstairs. Stop passing it by, 553 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: pick it up, pick it up and do the work. 554 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, we know that your grandpa and 555 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: your uncle are going and. 556 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: Your aunt right because we keep saying uncles and your aunt, 557 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 2: they're not gonna listen to doctor CHRISI. 558 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: Degreer, right, So it's like, do the work. Have those 559 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: hard conversations, but people don't want to have them. So 560 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's like, well what should 561 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: I do. 562 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: It's like, well, you don't feel like working, so I don't. 563 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: I don't know what to say, Like you want me 564 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: to tell you to do something that's real soft and 565 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: easy so you don't have to do the work, And 566 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 2: then you could just be like, hey, I did something. 567 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, go knit a pink hat. Then that's 568 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: what I tell you. Shit, that's you know, Christine. That 569 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: the last question that I'll ask you just for this conversation, 570 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: because God, I love our conversation so much. You know, 571 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm still I know, I'm sorry. That's all the things 572 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: would need to be crown the valve. You're like, I'm 573 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: gonna go knit, okay, okay, how do you? And you? 574 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: You mentioned therapy and I mentioned therapy, and I talk 575 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,239 Speaker 1: about it a lot on woke Off. I talk a 576 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: lot about mental health and care, and I have tweeted 577 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: out that I'm at a stage of this week where 578 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm at the stage pretty much at the 579 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: end of every week of this of this year thus far, 580 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: where I'm like, I just want to call out black 581 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: like I am tired. My heart is heavy, my spirit 582 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: is heavy, my body hurts, and so how is it? That? 583 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: Is it that not processing sometimes that allows you to 584 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: move forward? What are you doing to not run out 585 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: of your home? Yes and scream in primal rage or 586 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: just like throw the computer against the wall, just like 587 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: be like you know what, just fuck it, just fuck it. 588 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm done. Well, I recognize that this is not a sprint. 589 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: This this is a marathon. Our life is a marathon 590 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: as black people, and so rest is resistance. 591 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: I do go on vacations, this work will be okay, okay, 592 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: Like I go to an undisclosed location for two weeks 593 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: the second the semester ends, once the grades are in, 594 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: go to graduation, put on my little fainting down and 595 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 2: then about two weeks in the Caribbean, drinking beer for breakfast. 596 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: Walking around in my swimsuit all day, sitting there looking 597 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: at bird drama and iguanadrama. That's what I do. And 598 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: then throughout like I have to go someplace hot. 599 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 2: You see, I'm like dan in right, now right, it's 600 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: like I have to have sunshine and I can't fully 601 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: check out because it is during the semester. But like 602 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 2: I'll go away for a few days and yeah, I 603 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 2: still have to check in with email and things like that, 604 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: and you know, I teach my classes, but like I 605 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 2: have to leave this country. 606 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way. I feel closter. 607 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: But that's that was the hardest thing for me to movement, 608 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: being stuck in this country. That was the longest I'd 609 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: been in the United States as an adult. Just like 610 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 2: without leaving, I have to leave this country like literally minimum, 611 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: like every three to six months. 612 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd mean easy to start that plan and just 613 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: to like. 614 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 2: Just to be away from her because she can be 615 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: a lot, she can be lovely. I mean, there's a 616 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 2: lot of beauty in this country, in a lot of nature. 617 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 2: And if you I can't leave the country. Like I 618 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: was in New Mexico for a meeting, I felt like 619 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: I was in a different country. Like so just going 620 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 2: to different parts of the United States where it feels 621 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 2: foreign to me because I don't know much about New 622 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 2: Mexico and I don't mean listen, that's the only majority people 623 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 2: of color state that we've got the state Charter, Spanish 624 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 2: is equal to English. 625 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: I mean it was. So it's not like going to 626 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: Miami where it's like, oh, everyone speak Spanish except for. 627 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 2: Me, but it's like no, no, no. In the State 628 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 2: Charter we speak Spanish. So like one of my meetings 629 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 2: I had the little translator a year on because it's 630 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: like we don't speak English here. Yeah, it's America, it's 631 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 2: New Mexico. So I have to get out of New 632 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 2: York City. New York City is wonderful, but like she 633 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 2: can be a lot. So I take breaks and I 634 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: take rest. 635 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: And you know, like I do. You know, I'm a 636 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: big theater person, so like I have to go see 637 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: like make believe worlds. Mmm, like theaters make believe. So 638 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm not a movies person. Couldn't tell you last time 639 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: I went to the movie theater around COVID time. But 640 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: like that's just not my that's not the thing that 641 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: is my escape. I know a lot of people love 642 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: movies as an escape, Like they go to the movie theater, 643 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: they get their popcorn, like they save up and it's 644 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: like it's an experience. I've never really enjoyed it like that. 645 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: I love going to the theater. So that for me 646 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: is like that's a few hours of just feeling feeling good. 647 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: I also get massages and facials on a regular basis. Yeah, 648 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: because no matter how much I get a massage, They're like, 649 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: what are you holding from our body? And I'm like 650 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: I know, They're like your a little old body, and 651 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: it's like and I'm riddled with fyboids, like I know 652 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: that stress, Like you know, it's all the scientists. We 653 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: don't know why. Look, black women have ninety percent of 654 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: all the viboards, you don't you know how I like, 655 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: we could tell you we don't have you know, I 656 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: don't have a medical degree, but I could tower it out. 657 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 2: So yeah, I do try and take care of myself, 658 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 2: you know, Like I mean when I say take care 659 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 2: of myself, like treat myself to things that like realistically, 660 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: if we were a different kind of country, these things 661 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 2: would be paid for. You know, we would be like 662 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 2: right right right, bath houses where you can go and 663 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: steam and soak and you know, But because we don't, 664 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 2: then I build that into the budget. So like I 665 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 2: don't have you know, designer handbags because it's like, well 666 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 2: that means I can't go to the spot so, you know, 667 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 2: because I'm not a corporate lawyer. So it's like one 668 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 2: or the other, and I'm choosing spot time. I don't 669 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 2: begrudge people who you know, have Gucci sandals and all 670 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 2: this other stuff. It's like I can't afford both. And yeah, 671 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 2: I'm thoroughly disinterested in proud of bags if that means 672 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 2: I can't. 673 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: Not if I can't vacation inside of it exactly because 674 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: I need sunshine. So like right now, I'm like researching. 675 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: I gotta finish this book project that has been hanging 676 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: over my head like a man both two years. I 677 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: just haven't like looked at it, and. 678 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 2: I was like, I need to leave clodly writing here 679 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 2: isn't helping. So like I'm looking at random cities in 680 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 2: Europe to like go sit down and like barely speak. 681 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: The language so I won't be chippy chatman with people. 682 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 2: Like go there and get work done period, someplace gorgeous 683 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 2: and like find that beauty. 684 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: I think that that is the most important lesson, is 685 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: to find the beauty and a consistent reminder for myself 686 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: and everybody listening that rest is resistance. It is especially 687 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: for black women, particularly for black women that rest is resistance. 688 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: And so with sleep, yeah, which I don't get much 689 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: of these days. Oh I'm I'm like, I go to 690 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: sleep now. I have this bad habit now waking up 691 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 1: at three o'clock in the morning and like checking Twitter 692 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: and Instagram. So I got to get out of that. 693 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 2: But like I have like not like a bedtime, but 694 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 2: like you know, go to sleep. It's out for sleep, 695 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 2: like the gems are on teeth or brush face is washed. 696 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: IM mind that, but that's me, is that the I 697 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,439 Speaker 1: go through these phases where I'm really really good, but 698 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: my mind won't stop these days. So I need to 699 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: figure out ways to stop it. But I will say 700 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: I have a whole sleep, yeah, I will say. Friends 701 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: listening to remember to engage with as much horror as 702 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: we're seeing on a regular basis that to balance that 703 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: with as much beauty as possible. Doctor Christina Greer, my friend, 704 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time for joining. OK, appreciate, appreciate, appreciate, 705 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: appreciate our conversations. 706 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 2: I absolutely love being here and hopefully not like a 707 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 2: you know, clueless ray of sunshine. I'm just trying to balance. 708 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: No, it's balanced. What this country is and what we 709 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: can do. We can only do what we can do. Amen, 710 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: and I sent you my sleep bridgement. You're the best. 711 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on wok 712 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: f as always, Power to the people and to all 713 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.