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Speaker 1: Cowboys defense. Welcome back to another dish of the Around

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Speaker 1: the League Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling,

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Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. U boys, Hey Dan, that was not

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Speaker 1: a Chris Westling. Hey Dan, We're a little annoyed here

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Speaker 1: all the way across the room. I have the yellow

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Speaker 1: let's t D. We had We sat down last show

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Speaker 1: in our new studio and said this will be the

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Speaker 1: seating order and we'll get a photo out there. How

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Speaker 1: we'll sit from now until the end of days. But

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Speaker 1: within one show TD is blown the whole thing up. Wow, TD,

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Speaker 1: Now you're seeing what it's like for me. I know

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Speaker 1: a bunch of primad annas who cares very sick. Mark,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back from San Diego, Santiago. You were sent two

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Speaker 1: the southern California city, the coastal city to our Cowboys chargers.

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Speaker 1: You met a man and a McDonald's restaurant to get

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Speaker 1: your credential. You sat in a press box, was it,

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Speaker 1: Rob Ryan? You sat in a press box like like

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Speaker 1: a professional and that dump of a stadium, how was it?

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Speaker 1: It was good. I learned very quickly that they hand

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Speaker 1: out an inordinate amount of food. There was slices of pizza.

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Speaker 1: There was boxes of popcorn. Um. There was pie was

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Speaker 1: like peach cobbler pie, which I'm not I'm almost I

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Speaker 1: think they've ever eaten that, but I ate it last night.

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Speaker 1: Very good. And did you you know you're a real

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Speaker 1: reporter guy, did any of the other real reporters ask

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Speaker 1: put me smack dad like right in front of us

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Speaker 1: were six rows up. I'm not sure what they said.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't like a scene that where you're carrying a

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Speaker 1: but they're looking down because the cold reporters. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't meet again. Clarence Hill, a cowboys reporter that

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Speaker 1: West and I met at the Combine, had quite a

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Speaker 1: nice Yes we did, West, take your word for it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. I like to think

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Speaker 1: that you may be encountered a bully, maybe someone from

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Speaker 1: the San Diego Union Tribune that like spilled your pizza

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Speaker 1: There were like two or three hundred reporters there, so

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Speaker 1: it wasn't as if I mean there were rows and reporters.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't. It was like every head turned when you

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Speaker 1: walk in a dive bar in some weird town. By

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Speaker 1: the way, the way that TV set this up, I

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Speaker 1: gotta turn my head ninety degrees. We're working up the kinks, guys.

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Speaker 1: I almost missed the icebox right now. One of the

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Speaker 1: kinks you're working out is in Dan's neck now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly nailed it West of Fire this morning. All right,

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Speaker 1: So we got a great show today. We are going

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Speaker 1: to have we have a guest coming in. He is

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Speaker 1: a reporter, a writer, analysts, I should say, for Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Focus dot com, a website that West has seen

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Speaker 1: what seems to be a complicated relationship with. He is

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Speaker 1: Dama lattice, Pete damn a lattice of PFF. So he's

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Speaker 1: gonna come on later. We are going to uh stick

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Speaker 1: with first night of preseason action in Earnest on Thursday. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Six games and we're gonna go through all those games

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna do it, uh, you know, with a

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Speaker 1: awards for that. It's not just the football analysis. In

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Speaker 1: my mind, it's also the mirth. Oh if we we

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Speaker 1: know what? But before that, how are you doing TV?

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Speaker 1: Other other than some of the production issues. I'm very

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Speaker 1: It's good times. I was glad to be back in

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Speaker 1: last day of the week myself, you, Dan and Chris

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Speaker 1: Westling shot some hoops earlier this week. Good you know,

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Speaker 1: Chris Love the Rich Eues and podcast came out there

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Speaker 1: a good times, fun times, Chris Love the Rich Eyes

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Speaker 1: That is a large, powerful man. He's a he's a

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Speaker 1: large body and sweaty. Harry, Yes, he can play. Has

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Speaker 1: because that one it's like what it's describing him like,

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Speaker 1: Rottens in the old cartoons. Um, alright, so how are

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Speaker 1: of the preseason games. So how about this, Can we

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Speaker 1: now do some news? Your team now, your players now,

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Speaker 1: your NFL now? Shameless plug right there, Pats TV on

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Speaker 1: the hit NFL now our our new format or new platform,

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Speaker 1: of days ago, and uh, it's here now, guys. Well

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Speaker 1: we know we've been taping hits for it for weeks

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Speaker 1: I fear for people when they take a look at this.

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Speaker 1: I think that I was. I've already been plotting this.

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Speaker 1: How long to wait before we stage a friend's style

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Speaker 1: walk out over contract? Once we get on camera, I

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Speaker 1: was thinking, uh, twelve months, initially one year, but now

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Speaker 1: more thinking maybe three months. This sounds promising. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: we're doing our thing every day, and it seems like

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Speaker 1: we've got these guys locked in till at least after draft,

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Speaker 1: before we get down to talk about the future. Just

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Speaker 1: drop it Thanksgiving week can we're unhappy? We want more.

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Speaker 1: I had an old boss that once said, make yourself

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Speaker 1: essential once we dig into NFL. Now they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to pony up and Greg, you're gonna lead the charges.

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Speaker 1: The boss Chandler will lead the charges when I leave

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Speaker 1: now hits that. That's what I think. That was essential

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler will start with the Cowboys and Chargers, a

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Speaker 1: Came up with a list about what annoyed me most

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Speaker 1: I like this. Why don't we uh, why don't we

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Speaker 1: Hang with me. Here here we go, putrid shipwrecked dreaming

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Speaker 1: a scorched meadow, a dystopian waste land of the mind,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys not really an issue is today A tweet

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Speaker 1: from Dez Bryant actually and trying to prop himself up

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Speaker 1: in Michael Irving. He tweets out, hey, Dallas Cowboys nation

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Speaker 1: today is eight and eight August eight, who's gonna do

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Speaker 1: something great? At Michael ever hashtag eighty eight. I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, he just love this is this, This is

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Speaker 1: it would be a good season for them. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of problems with the Dallas Cowboys, but one of

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Speaker 1: and you can just keep them on top of the

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Speaker 1: a f C East for years. Can't can't say wait

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Speaker 1: to see the Patriots turn against Tom Brady like the

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Speaker 1: Packers did with four. No, we would never do that,

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Speaker 1: but just saying the guy is there. The future m

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Speaker 1: v P is in touchdown pass at the end of

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Speaker 1: the game. But I am not worried because you don't

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Speaker 1: You don't get lucky Greg all the time. An organization

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Speaker 1: is lucky to get to Tom Brady once every fifty years.

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Speaker 1: What about the Colt, Well, that's what you're not at

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Speaker 1: the cults. After the two best teams, you're going back

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Speaker 1: to the Patriots that you were for years and years,

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Speaker 1: and the a C s will be wide open again.

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Speaker 1: All jokes aside. Garoppolo as reportedly at a poor training

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Speaker 1: camp in practice, but he looked he had almost a

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Speaker 1: perfect half of football. There wasn't just one throw. He

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Speaker 1: had three or four great deep passes. He could have

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Speaker 1: had another long touchdown if they had challenged a play.

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Speaker 1: He had as good a hap as he could against

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Speaker 1: third and fourth teams. So we should know that it

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Speaker 1: was against people that will be, you know, working for

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Speaker 1: ups set like shop right. I understand, but Mark, does

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Speaker 1: it bother you at all? Or does it make you

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Speaker 1: happy at all? That maybe the quarterbacks that played the

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Speaker 1: best the two best quarterbacks on the field Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: Colt McCoy and Brandon weedon Colt McCoy eight for nine

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Speaker 1: and two yards. I would not put Weed into that category,

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Speaker 1: but Colt McCoy sizzled. And you know what, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: all for col McCoy keeping a job in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Is gonna make that he's gonna make the three quarterbacks? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It Reportedly has had a really good camp and I

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Speaker 1: think they like that he adds a little veteran even

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Speaker 1: though he's not much older than the other two guys.

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Speaker 1: That he's just a good guy to have around. Can't

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Speaker 1: you see him being a future coach? Like he's that

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Speaker 1: like Texas coach. It also helps your own son's legacy

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Speaker 1: if the guy that he was named after makes it

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Speaker 1: to your son's kindergarten here, Yeah, that would help. And uh,

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Speaker 1: Simona is a Niners fan and so she was sad

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Speaker 1: to see cult McCoy off that they could use him,

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Speaker 1: but she actually captured an image of our son called

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Speaker 1: watching Cult McCoy on television, which perfect marriage of reason

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Speaker 1: and result. And by the way, that final score was

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Speaker 1: Watchington Redskins twenty three New England Patriots six. Sessler's boy

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Speaker 1: Lake Sith drunk look great in that game. By the way,

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Speaker 1: rookie sleeper. I will need to watch that because I

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Speaker 1: don't know if this happened to you, but game rewind

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Speaker 1: or a game pass where I was was not functioning

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Speaker 1: to well last night, a little bit off the rails.

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Speaker 1: I believe the product is excellent and if there were

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Speaker 1: any technical issues I'm sure we'll be taken care of

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Speaker 1: immediately from the sky. It's all on the WiFi connection

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Speaker 1: at the Chargers. Oh wait, they work. We work for

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Speaker 1: them too, and all its properties are infallible. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: lollipop lollipop alright. Moving forward, Hey, rematch folks of the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Last night, the Broncos and the Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 1: squared off at Mile High Stadium in a game that

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Speaker 1: felt like it would never end. There were penalties in

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Speaker 1: the game, there was a lightning delay. What we did

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Speaker 1: see in terms of takeaways watched the game. DeMarcus ware

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Speaker 1: looks very very healthy and very effective, and he got

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback, sacked Russell Wilson, blew up a play

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Speaker 1: in the backfield, got some hurries. He looked like the

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Speaker 1: guy he was in Dallas when his arms and his

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Speaker 1: legs weren't bothering him. So that's something very positive for

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Speaker 1: denver Um and they Broncos also had a little bit

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Speaker 1: more running back issues. I know they lost Monte Ball

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Speaker 1: to an appendectomy last week. C J. Anderson, who's fighting

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Speaker 1: to get a role ahead of Ronnie Hillman, suffered a concussion,

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Speaker 1: so he we don't know how long he'll be out.

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Speaker 1: But those are the two big takeaways from me. Where's huge.

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Speaker 1: He ran down Russell Wilson on one play and forced

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Speaker 1: him to throw the ball away. I mean he was

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Speaker 1: on pace for about the best best game ever. Two hurries,

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Speaker 1: a sack of stuff at the line of scrimmage, and

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Speaker 1: that's what the preseason can be for it. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: veteran is back healthy again. Okay, this rookie quarterback looks Okay,

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Speaker 1: you can take that away. And teams like this operating

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Speaker 1: at this high level, you know, one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: subplots that anybody, any of the starters get injured. No,

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Speaker 1: everybody got out of it healthy. Manning and Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: both read lead touchdown drives. One kind of funny note

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Speaker 1: was right when the lightning delay hit and the Broncos

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Speaker 1: had gone up seven nothing, the local Denver announcer had

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Speaker 1: this quote that I had to tweet out and I'll

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Speaker 1: read it to you, guys. Now, as dominated as the

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Speaker 1: Broncos were in the Super Bowl and they're returning the

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Speaker 1: favor right now. Terrible by the way, it was seven

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Speaker 1: nothing at the times that he said, and and then

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Speaker 1: the Bronco anchorman move. The Broncos went on to win

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Speaker 1: twenty one sixteen, so I guess you know they got

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Speaker 1: revenge February two four. That wasn't the only Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: rematch last night. Oh, you're right, great transition, west west

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Speaker 1: I'm really proud of you there. The Baltimore Ravens in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners also played. This is a game

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Speaker 1: that Chris Westling watched, and that that explains why he was

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Speaker 1: so on point there, especially with the transition. And I

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Speaker 1: asked you, Chris Westling, what was your takeaway. I'm very

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Speaker 1: curious about the ray Rice Bernard purest dynamic. We've heard

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Speaker 1: both guys look good. Ray Rice maybe got his burst back.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? The first team offense was only on

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Speaker 1: the field for one drive with Flacco, and they looked

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Speaker 1: better than I can remember them looking in a long time.

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Speaker 1: I think the Kubiak offense suits Flacco well. Ray Rice

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Speaker 1: had burst. He looked closer to two thousand twelve Ray

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Speaker 1: Rice in two thousand thirteen, but with splitting snaps throughout

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Speaker 1: the first drive with Bernard Pierce who got the goal

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Speaker 1: line love. Uh. They both looked good. You know what

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Speaker 1: might suit this offense? And Gary Kubiak well being a coordinator,

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Speaker 1: like it just hit me like maybe he's nor of Turner.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's Wade Phillips, a guy that's one of the

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Speaker 1: very best coordinators in the league. Haven't you always thought that? Yeah? West,

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Speaker 1: you confident the snowsuit is off ray Rice? I am.

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Speaker 1: I thought he whereas Trent Rigerson looked exactly like last year,

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Speaker 1: Ray Rice did not look I thought he looks streamlined.

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Speaker 1: Did Steve Smith play? Steve Smith did and looks taller

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Speaker 1: in a Ravens uniforms? What does that even mean? Just

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Speaker 1: telling you what I saw? Always to hear. But all

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Speaker 1: I do, you guys know what I do. All I

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Speaker 1: do was watching the film and on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the other backfield here, Carlos Hide did some things.

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Speaker 1: He looked good. It's hard to separate him from the blocking,

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Speaker 1: which was excellent. Bruce Miller had a fantastic block that

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Speaker 1: got him to the edge. Stevie Johnson had a really

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Speaker 1: good block. But he looked good. And I thought, watching

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Hill for the Bengals and watching Hide for the

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Speaker 1: forty Niners, Bengals fans at some point this season are

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Speaker 1: gonna be wondering why they didn't take Carlos high. It

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Speaker 1: is a good sign for him in terms of vision

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Speaker 1: and just you know, understanding the play that he is

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Speaker 1: following the correct blocking. We don't always see, you know,

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Speaker 1: as watching some Browns games last year, I can tell

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Speaker 1: you that's not always the case. Yeah, West, is Blaine

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Speaker 1: Gabbert in the NFL on September one? That's a that's

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Speaker 1: a good question. I would say he'll still be in

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Speaker 1: the NFL because they don't really have another option, and

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Speaker 1: because I would think that Hardball is the stubborn type

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Speaker 1: who thinks he can turn him around. Why what happened yesterday.

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Speaker 1: He looked like probably worse than he looked in Jaguars uniforms.

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Speaker 1: He said, new standard for the Gabbard zone, which for

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Speaker 1: new listeners is, you know, a yards per attempt average

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the five is generally his yards per tempt

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Speaker 1: yesterday was one point seven. Finally, with a big interception,

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Speaker 1: that's spurge in wind zone. Finally, the Kansas City Chiefs

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Speaker 1: at Cincinnati Bengals offense. If you like offense, you should

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Speaker 1: have been there. Uh. Andy Dalton a fifty three yard

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Speaker 1: bombed a j Green in his only series. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: Chiefs Travis Kelsey really uh made a play that turned heads.

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Speaker 1: Caught a ball round sixty nine yards for a touchdown,

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Speaker 1: basically outran everyone. That was an interesting look. Not a

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Speaker 1: lot of defense played here, Greg uh. Well, when Jason

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Speaker 1: Campbell was in the game, the defense perked right up

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Speaker 1: for the for the Chiefs. I mean, Campbell packed more

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Speaker 1: into two quarters than you could possibly want. He had

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Speaker 1: two touchdown passes. He had two passes that were returned

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Speaker 1: for touchdowns. Andy was injured. Guy moves the needle. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, yeah, that's why we're diving deep in the cab.

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Speaker 1: He saw what happened when he doesn't check down. They

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Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback right now if he's hurt because

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Speaker 1: uh a J. McCarron hasn't been able to practice either

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback that is. How about black Mamba? They're gonna

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Speaker 1: play Who's black Mamba? Oh yeah, the Anthony? Come on,

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Speaker 1: snip the name before Kobe got it. The Anthony had

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Speaker 1: it in pop war Ball. The Anthony Thomas has reportedly

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Speaker 1: at a great camp and people everyone says he's too

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Speaker 1: small for the NFL. He bounced off Tackler's last night

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Speaker 1: on his way to a long punt return touchdown. Between

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Speaker 1: that and Travis Kelsey, those are the two most explosive

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Speaker 1: plays of the entire night in the NFL. Greg and

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Speaker 1: I we hate to throw any shade on Rhodo World,

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Speaker 1: but come on, you can't write off the Anthony Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Before his career over started, he looked like the NFL

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Speaker 1: game is not too fast for him, no, and not

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Speaker 1: too big for I love the fact that he kind

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Speaker 1: of got out of a jam. I mean that stuck

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Speaker 1: out to me that he could be a fun factor

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Speaker 1: on special teams. And Travis Kelsey one of the fastest

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Speaker 1: tight ends in the NFL. I have never seen a

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Speaker 1: tight end run like he did on his That's what

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00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: you said for Ladarius Green last year? Well that was

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Speaker 1: untill they keep getting faster. None of them are faster

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Speaker 1: than Vernon Davis two two sixty pounds, and it was

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Speaker 1: just yeah, he's fast. Hey, t d I know you've

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Speaker 1: been called young Kobe during your childhood as a basketball player.

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Speaker 1: Young Kobe nickname proceeds both the black mem nicknames. Did

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Speaker 1: you ever have any reptilian type name? No, no, se

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Speaker 1: Kobe nicknamed himself. That's not that's not allowed. That's not

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Speaker 1: that's not allowed at all. Alright, So though those are

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Speaker 1: the games. Oh that the final score, there was forty

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Speaker 1: one to get that score on that shoot out in

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati or was it it was in Kansas City. You know.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Eric Fisher was the number one draft

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Speaker 1: pick last year. I know we're trying to move on,

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Speaker 1: but there's been an overlooked story. The number one pick

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Speaker 1: in the whole draft move into left tackle. He immediately

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Speaker 1: got beat for a strip sack. Lost the worst draft

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Speaker 1: every Remember that draft is the most boring, mundane draft

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Speaker 1: with the least an amount of impact players, at least

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Speaker 1: in the early first round. All right, gentlemen, So, as

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Speaker 1: we spoke about earlier, we have a guest on the line.

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Speaker 1: He is a writer and analyst for the website pro

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Speaker 1: Football Focus dot com, a site that proudly claims its

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Speaker 1: now analyst, Pete Damna Lattice. What's up, Pete Lugily Radley Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for having me. Um, you know, I've I'm

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Speaker 1: a little shamed to say this, but I actually hand

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Speaker 1: started listening to your guys podcast until I think it

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Speaker 1: was back in May, around the time where Stettler was

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Speaker 1: um freaking out about drafting Johnny Manzell's. Uh. Since then, honestly,

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Speaker 1: you guys have kind of flown up my boards and

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Speaker 1: that we all uh use your website a lot when

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Speaker 1: we do our post and just doing research of the game. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, however, a man famous for his PF qualifier statements.

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Speaker 1: I'll give an example. Now, I don't take this as

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Speaker 1: gospel but p F says Brandon Marshall is the best

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Speaker 1: blocking wide receiver in football. So Chris Westling a man

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Speaker 1: that has had some issues at times with the metrics

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Speaker 1: Pete west Uh Pete. Pete is one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: followers on Twitter. A good guy. By the way, Pete's

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Speaker 1: Twitter handle at p F underscore Pete. I think I

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Speaker 1: believe every adult should think for themselves and not take

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Speaker 1: anything as gospel. That's why I always give the qualifier.

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Speaker 1: And it's clear the NFL teams don't always see players

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Speaker 1: the same way PF does, so that's one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I always want to prepare people for. But

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Speaker 1: without a doubt, one of the most valuable services out

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Speaker 1: there is provided by PF. I think I probably cite

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Speaker 1: their material as much as any writer out there over

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Speaker 1: the past few year years. So I appreciate things like

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Speaker 1: run after catch ability which they highlight, or quarterback pressures.

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Speaker 1: You don't get this stuff anywhere else. And their signatures

658
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Speaker 1: signature stats are are great too. So what so what

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Speaker 1: are your issues? Then? Uh? Well, I would just like

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Speaker 1: to ask Pete how he sleeps at night with Ben

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Speaker 1: Hart Sock is his number one ranked tight end. Oh

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Speaker 1: Man Um, I think if you look at it, you'll

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Speaker 1: see that ben Hart sock Is is their number rank one,

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Speaker 1: number one ranked blocking tight ends, so that actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's number one on grade above the other guys. He's

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Speaker 1: number one in your overall grades for tight ends. For

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Speaker 1: its true. This is true because you know, we we

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Speaker 1: we take blocking into account and and Ben was was

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Speaker 1: really great at that last season, so um, you know

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Speaker 1: we uh, you know, and west to your point, Um,

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, you don't take PF grades

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Speaker 1: as gospel. I don't think anyone should take PF grades

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Speaker 1: as gospel. And I think our our analysts themselves, I

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Speaker 1: don't take PF grades as gospel. You know, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, evaluate a player by saying, okay,

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Speaker 1: well this guy was second in our grades. This guy

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Speaker 1: was third, So this guy is clearly better than you know,

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Speaker 1: player is better than player B. And and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think you kind of have to put them in context.

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Speaker 1: So I think the p F grades are a data point,

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Speaker 1: and I think they're tremendously important one because I see

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Speaker 1: all the work that goes into it, and and all

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Speaker 1: the all the analysis and man hours that we put

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Speaker 1: into coming up with those grades, um. But I think

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Speaker 1: even even the people behind the scenes who are coming

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Speaker 1: up with those grades themselves and giving them out wouldn't

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Speaker 1: say that, you know, looking at guys, PF grade says,

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Speaker 1: you know, is the end all be all now for

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Speaker 1: a guy, you know, like a Ben hart Sock. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's I think that speaks to to one thing that

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Speaker 1: makes us a unique site is that we're looking at

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Speaker 1: things that go beyond um just your your surface stats.

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Speaker 1: So we're looking at blocking, We're looking at quarterback pressures,

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Speaker 1: um for defensive ends and also you know the offensive

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Speaker 1: linemen who are who are trying to block them, and

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Speaker 1: we're even we're even timing those those pass rushes to

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Speaker 1: tell you, you you know, how how great that was. Was

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Speaker 1: it the sack a you know, a sack where the

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Speaker 1: defensive end blew up the off and some tackle or

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Speaker 1: was it a kind of clean up muddy stack where

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Speaker 1: with the carback just right into his arms. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you can see some of the grades on

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Speaker 1: our site and and all the work that goes into it,

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Speaker 1: and and that's why you get some things that like

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Speaker 1: Ben hard Stock being the number one ranked tight end.

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Speaker 1: But really if if you look drilled down into it,

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Speaker 1: he's he's by far the best blocking tight end of

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Speaker 1: the league last season, but you know, not not so

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Speaker 1: great as a receiver. Right, So just out of curiosity,

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Speaker 1: that's all very well explained. But when you see something

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Speaker 1: like ben Hartstock is your number one ranked tight end

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Speaker 1: when he didn't catch a pass and played about one

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Speaker 1: fourth of the snaps. To Jimmy Graham, why are you

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Speaker 1: guys not going back to the drawing board and saying

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Speaker 1: maybe we should uh not count blocking is important because

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Speaker 1: blocking tight ends aren't even drafted in the first five

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Speaker 1: rounds in the NFL. Well, I think it's because when

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Speaker 1: you when you look at the grades that you know,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to evaluate performance, and and we're in many times,

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Speaker 1: you know, in many instances we're giving out the grades

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Speaker 1: as if there if there are any other player on

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Speaker 1: that on the team. So you know, if he's trying

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Speaker 1: to make a block and he he you know, does

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Speaker 1: a good block, it's kind of the same thing as

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Speaker 1: if as if an offensive guard is trying to trying

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Speaker 1: to do the same type of block. Now, the difference

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Speaker 1: is that we normalize it across the different positions, so

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Speaker 1: you know that's how you get some some instances where

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Speaker 1: where a you know, a one good block for a

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Speaker 1: tight end might matter, you know a little bit more

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Speaker 1: than a than a block for a guard who's kind

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Speaker 1: of you know, out there blocking for you know, sixty

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Speaker 1: seventy snaps the games. So um, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: I think there are differences, and you know, I see

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Speaker 1: your point West. You know, i'd say that, you know,

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Speaker 1: if we go back and we look at it, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe the we shouldn't have blocking grades

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Speaker 1: maybe as high, but you know those are grades. We

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Speaker 1: stand by them, and to be honest, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: why we say we don't take it as gospel either.

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Speaker 1: So you kind of have to take everything into context.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think you would even though ben Hartstock

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Speaker 1: is are number one great tight end, I don't think

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Speaker 1: anyone on the PFF team would tell you that ben

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Speaker 1: Hartstock was the best tight end of the league last year.

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Speaker 1: We're talking with Pete Demilettis of Pro Football Focus. Com Pete,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers, because the way you

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Speaker 1: guys study the games for them a lot of other people,

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious last season, was there a player that,

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Speaker 1: according to your data, completely transformed himself from an average

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Speaker 1: guy to a star player, or maybe the other way around.

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Speaker 1: Is there something that really when you studied the data

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Speaker 1: really kind of jumped out at you one way or

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Speaker 1: the other. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean there are there are

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Speaker 1: a couple of those younger players who have been the

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Speaker 1: league for a couple of seasons that took major leaps

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Speaker 1: last year. I mean, at the top of that list

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Speaker 1: is is Robert Quinn. He went from you in the past,

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Speaker 1: he'd he'd put up some good numbers and good grades

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Speaker 1: by us, but we saw a tendency of him to

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Speaker 1: beat up on on easier competition, specifically when he was

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Speaker 1: playing teams player Cardinals who kind of can have a

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Speaker 1: bit of a offensive line, um, some offensive line issues,

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Speaker 1: Robert Quinn just rack up stats against them, but then

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Speaker 1: against tougher competition he would sort of get shut down.

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Speaker 1: Last year he took a major leap and he was

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Speaker 1: dominating um, you know, very good competition on a consistent basis,

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Speaker 1: and he was actually are our number two defensive player

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Speaker 1: in the league. You know, he would have been, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, one our defensive Player of the Year ward

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the greatness of J. J. Watt Um.

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Speaker 1: So he's a guy who who made leaps and bounds.

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Speaker 1: I look at another guy like a like a Cameron

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Speaker 1: Jordan's who you know in the past had has saw

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Speaker 1: of the same thing that you know, he had flashed

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Speaker 1: some talent, but former first round pick, but he hadn't

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Speaker 1: kind of put together. And last year we really saw

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Speaker 1: him do that where he you know, he put everything together.

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Speaker 1: He was a force on the interior. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: great to see. I think it's also a bit of

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Speaker 1: a league wide trend when you see guys like J. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt and Geno Atkins and um, Cameron Jordan's who, guys

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Speaker 1: who are kind of bringing that pressure from the interior.

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Speaker 1: Guys like Gerald McCoy as well, who took another lead

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Speaker 1: last season. He was you know, we did our PFFUM

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Speaker 1: top one oh one for two thousand and thirteen. He

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Speaker 1: was our fourth graded player. So it's nice to see that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the game changing going towards the past, you're

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Speaker 1: seeing a lot of interior rushers disrupting offenses and in

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Speaker 1: a way that we haven't seen in the past. How

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Speaker 1: about somebody that went the other way, someone that went

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Speaker 1: the other way. I mean, you look at you look

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Speaker 1: at some veterans, um who and I one guy that

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Speaker 1: comes to mind is a Nike Taylor, who you know,

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Speaker 1: for years, the Steelers had him as a you know,

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Speaker 1: as a sort of a a island cornerback where they

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Speaker 1: asked him to do a lot of man follow the

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Speaker 1: number one receiver around the field. Um. And he did

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Speaker 1: pretty well in that role. And he never even got

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Speaker 1: the highest PF grades. But that's again in the instance

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Speaker 1: where you have to put our grades into context because

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Speaker 1: his job was a lot harder than than someone who

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Speaker 1: just had to you know, would line up on one

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Speaker 1: side of the field and zone coverage. Um. But last

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Speaker 1: year he kind of took a big step back. Um.

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Speaker 1: He towards the middle of the season, they weren't even

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Speaker 1: having him shadow receivers anymore. Um. He had one of

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Speaker 1: our worst grades as a cornerback. So he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that that kind of jumps to the top of my

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Speaker 1: head as as a guy who took a major step back.

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Speaker 1: So um, you know. And and of course you have

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Speaker 1: your obvious candidates, like like an Eli Manning, who was

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Speaker 1: consistently a top ten quarterback in our grading year after year,

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Speaker 1: and last season the wheels came off the offense. He

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Speaker 1: didn't have any chemistry with his receivers. And we all

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Speaker 1: know how that one. I think we'd agree with you

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Speaker 1: there with um when it comes to the process. Let's

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Speaker 1: say you know last night the Jets played the Cults

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Speaker 1: and they say, Pete, go up, break down this game? Gradeed,

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Speaker 1: I mean, nuts and bolts. How do you what's the

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Speaker 1: process for you to do that? So we have So

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Speaker 1: this is why I why I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: trust into in pro football focus in our system. It's

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Speaker 1: because we have so much we put so much work

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Speaker 1: into it, and we have such a flesh out process.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have a couple of guys who are doing

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Speaker 1: what you call player participation, where you're looking through and

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Speaker 1: you're marking where every player is on every play, and

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Speaker 1: you know who's blitzeeing, who's lining up, you know inside

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Speaker 1: the tackles, outside the tackles, what receivers are in the slot,

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Speaker 1: who's up on the line of scrimmage, UM, stuff like that, UM,

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Speaker 1: and and you're marking all that and that helps us

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Speaker 1: normalize those grades at the end of the game, because

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Speaker 1: it makes the difference if a guy has a sack

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Speaker 1: when he's only in the game for five snaps rather

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Speaker 1: than he has one sack and he was in the

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Speaker 1: game for seventy um. And and then we have another

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Speaker 1: couple of analysts who do the actual grading. So they're

839
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Speaker 1: going through and they're looking at, um, they're looking at

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Speaker 1: you know, what's exactly happening on the play, what was

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Speaker 1: supposed to happen. Um. If a running back had stopped

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Speaker 1: for a loss, Um was it because you know, he

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00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: took a bad angle, the hole was there and he

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Speaker 1: kind of bounced to the outside for some reason. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, like like say maybe a trend register or

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Speaker 1: Chris Johnson tended to do last year, or um, you know,

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Speaker 1: if if it was a blown block by a guy.

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Speaker 1: And and to be honest, for the most part, most

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Speaker 1: players on a on a specific plate don't even get

850
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Speaker 1: a great because you know, they they held a block well,

851
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: or you know, they got a piece of defender they

852
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: didn't like shoved him back and open up a wide hole.

853
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: But they didn't get pushed back either, And it sort

854
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: of you know, okay, that's a that's a null note.

855
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: But you know that you'll only have you know, a

856
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: couple of handful of guys that get great on every

857
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: play um. But then you know, we we are going

858
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: through where and putting that information into our database, and

859
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: at the end of the game you have a grade

860
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of shocking how And the reason

861
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: I like it is I like to call it almost

862
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: um quantify quantified scouting because if you can go through

863
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: a game and you can see a guy who has

864
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: a sack and a tackle for loss and you're saying, oh, well,

865
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: he had a good game, and then you see the

866
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: grade at the end of the game, you're like, actually,

867
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: you know was kind of average because you know, I

868
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: forgot that he kind of didn't hold the edge on

869
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: that one play and he got pushed back and then

870
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: he missed that other tackle, and then after all, you know,

871
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: once you add everything up, you see that his grade

872
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: was kind of not as great as you expect, or

873
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: sometimes a lot better than you expected. Ryan Tannehill ranked

874
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: last year in Pro Football Focuses rankings, ahead of Tom Brady,

875
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: ahead of Aaron Rodgers, way ahead of Andrew Luck. What

876
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: what did you think people saw on a game to

877
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: game basis that would put Ryan Tannehill in the top

878
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks in the league. Um, I think Tannehill, Um,

879
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: I think that honestly, he did his job. His commediate accuracy,

880
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: his deep ball, you know, he had a he had

881
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: some deep all issues that I think that that are

882
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: well documented. He tended to hold onto the ball a

883
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: little too long. I think the Miami offensive line got

884
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: got a lot of heat the amount of stacks they

885
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: gave up, But some of it was Tannehill's fault as well. Um.

886
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that he did a pretty

887
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: good job on his accuracy and also in general. You know,

888
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that his his mistakes were grossly more

889
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: than a lot of other quarterbacks out there. And it's

890
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: funny to see, you know, interception numbers and then to

891
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: see kind of our grades because you see a guy

892
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: like Andrew luck who has a little bit of a

893
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: worse PFF grade last year, then Matt Stafford and Ryan Tannehill,

894
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: and you kind of look back at the actually kind

895
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: of all we chart throws by. You know, we will

896
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: give negative grades for throws and you've got a really

897
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: bad grade if you have thrown an interception, like a

898
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: wildly erratic interception or a path that goes nowhere. Near

899
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: the receiver. And Andrew Luck had just as many of

900
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: those as as Ryan Tannehill and Matt Stafford did last year.

901
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: But for one reason or another. You know, we saw

902
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: a good amount dropping interceptions from Andrew Luck that he

903
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: got away with. You'll see, You'll see, you know, some

904
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: the staffs kind of don't even out. So even though

905
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: our grades are a little bit higher on one guy

906
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: over another, you might know. That's I think what makes

907
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: people all that's shocked by everything, because you'll see, O,

908
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill and Matt Stafford had so many interceptions, um,

909
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: but sometimes it was just unlucky plays as well on

910
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: their part. Yeah, that Tannehill grade is just crazy. UM.

911
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: So I guess knowing that the Tannehill grade is crazy,

912
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: and I know you guys grade like pizza, Like, why

913
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: am I on the show right now? Well, it's just

914
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: it's it's because the way you're explaining it, if this

915
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: level says that Tannehill played at an m v P level,

916
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: so I would sort of expect PFF to have a

917
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: big push like Tannehill is an Aaron Rodgers level. Guy.

918
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, I no, I guess I guess

919
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: the thing with Tannehill is. I don't think that he

920
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: should get the flat that he does where the coaches

921
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: are almost you know, calling him out of the off

922
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: season saying, well, this is you know, put up or

923
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: shut up time. And that's what I think. That's a

924
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: general sense that that people have around Tannehill right now. Um,

925
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. I think that he's

926
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: he's developed in his couple of years. I think he's

927
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: shown a pretty good amount of skill, um And I

928
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to build on there. So and

929
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: and frankly, I think Andrew Luck has a better season

930
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: if you asked me last year, just because that's that's

931
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: around him. I think he didn't have as many as

932
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: much to work with as as Ryan Tannehill did. And

933
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: I didn't think his offensive line was nearly as good. Um.

934
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: But honestly, I think that you know, Tannehill doesn't deserve

935
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: a lot of crisism that he gets. Um. So, So,

936
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: I what I was gonna ask was, I feel like

937
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: I learned that you guys give like a plus two

938
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: or a minus to the people who do the grading

939
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: on on each play. Um, what qualified? What are the

940
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: qualifications for the person doing this analysis, what qualifies them

941
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: to do that job. So a lot of it's just

942
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: you know that we just have a very stringent um

943
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: we have a very stringent application and training process. Um So,

944
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: so we have guys who have been doing grading for

945
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: a few years. But you know, to get to that level,

946
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: you have to do player participation for a season, a

947
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: couple of seasons grading. You know, we'll you'll, you'll spend

948
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: the entire offseason going through games, game after game, putting

949
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: in grades until you get both the accuracy and and

950
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: the the efficiency to to have a game graded you know,

951
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: by the next day. Um you know, for when when

952
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: the teams that use us need our grades by um so,

953
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: you know you will basically you know, the the qualifications.

954
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, we don't have former coaches, we don't have

955
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: former defensive coordinators or anything doing our grades. But you know,

956
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: we have a lot of knowledgeable guys out here, um

957
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, Steve Palazelo, Sam Munson, you know, I put

958
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: their football agument up with with anyone out there. Um

959
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: and and I think that you know, going through we

960
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: have this a stringe enough process and a strange enough

961
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: checks and balances, um where if if we see a

962
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: play and we see that, you know, two guys have

963
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: a different grade on it, we'll talk it out and

964
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: look through and say, okay, well this guy, you know,

965
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: why did you think you know it was on the cornerback?

966
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: Why do you think it was on the safety. And

967
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: another another important point to put out as we don't guess.

968
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: So if if we don't know you know, what happened

969
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: on the play and we think that you know, we

970
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: really there's really no way to tell. And and honestly,

971
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: most of the time you can tell you know who

972
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: is that fall. But most of the time, if there's

973
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: those few times where you can't tell, we're not going

974
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: to kill a guy with his grade um because we

975
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, what coverage they were supposed to

976
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: be in. And I think that's a I think that's

977
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: a good point that Pete makes. Sometimes you you get

978
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: the feeling when you follow sports and NFL specifically, that

979
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: you have to be a player, be a coach or

980
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: something to really understand the game. But these are guys

981
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: that do their homework and that's why we use Pete

982
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: side all the time Pro Football Focus dot Com. Pete,

983
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on one last question and I'm

984
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just curious. I like to ask other

985
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: human beings this question. Will west eat a softball pants? Um,

986
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm firly, I firmly, firmly believe that he will not.

987
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see now on the same tree together. Well,

988
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't buy the But you know we're

989
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: not going to start, man Zel. I think they're gonna start. Honestly,

990
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: I think we're also gonna see Blake portals up out

991
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: there starting by you know, a week two, week three.

992
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: You know it's UM. I think we're taking these guys

993
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: so high, and I think all the quarterbacks are more

994
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: NFL ready than they have been in the past. Sitting

995
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: a guy who you invested so much in UM for

996
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: for a year or however many weeks they're playing on

997
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: doing it. I just don't buy it. Well, Pete doesn't

998
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: think Chris will eat his softball pants. But I have

999
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: noticed a little change as we're heading to week one

1000
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: of the preseason that even Chris Westling seems to start

1001
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: being accepting his role that he will be eating some

1002
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: softball pants. They exist, and they will be eating That

1003
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: was said out of Chris Wesley. He was talking about

1004
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: a softball pants. They exist and they will be eating.

1005
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: That is taking way out of context. I now feel

1006
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: like how athletes feel when reporters take their quotes out

1007
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: of context. It's a quote, it's a fact, all right, Pete,

1008
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: thank you very very much for coming on. You could

1009
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: follow Pete that at PFF Underscore eat great follow and

1010
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: a great football site. Thanks man, thanks, thanks for having

1011
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: me pleasure. There you go. We s. I feel like

1012
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: you did, as ah TD remarked on I Am during that,

1013
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: you did not back down. You had points you were

1014
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: gonna make, and you can see why I'm conflicted. Though

1015
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: they give very valuable information. They it's based off film watching,

1016
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: and nobody watches more film than they do. But they

1017
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: do ridiculous stuff like like Ryan Ryan taylorhole ahead of

1018
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: Big Ben and Andrew Luck when it's just absolutely a force.

1019
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it ends up being a force of a grade. Well,

1020
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: there's so much value in them watching every single snap it.

1021
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: They have such good information from that. I really like

1022
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: the I think it's called the refocused. Every week they

1023
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: have just takeaways from watching. To me, that's the best

1024
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: value you have is in the written word the world,

1025
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: not the numbers. The world of football annalysis is a

1026
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: much more enlightened place because of pro football focus. I mean,

1027
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: I do want to make that point implicitly. Al Right, Well,

1028
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Speaker 1: that's it for Friday's edition of the Around the League

1029
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Speaker 1: Podcast US. We will be back next week with three

1030
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: more shows. Until then, this is Dan hans Is signing

1031
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Speaker 1: off for The Sizzler, The Male Man, The Boss and

1032
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Speaker 1: TV Behind the Glass and why don't we play it

1033
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: out with Sessler finishing up his list Dallas Cowboys defense commentary.

1034
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Speaker 1: It's fifty terms of why they now we are at

1035
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Speaker 1: here we go every horrible ex girlfriend embodied in a

1036
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Speaker 1: loose four three scheme, sterile, a waste land of ideas,

1037
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: the bottom of the food chain, the opposite of human attraction.

1038
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Speaker 1: Dead leaves, a corpse, a wreckage, scattered parts, fat faced,

1039
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Speaker 1: never sexy, intellectually suspect, untraveled, pock marked, soiled. I'm gonna

1040
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: go get them swirling into a pit level below human pistol.