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Speaker 1: I'd ever told your production of I Heart Radio. We'll

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Speaker 1: just happens. I don't know, we're laughing at the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: for me anyway. I guess I know some people will

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Speaker 1: scary story times and Samantha and I we've already gotten started, yes,

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Speaker 1: Every time I like turn slightly, I'm like, oh, and

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. We've had a lot of conversations about our

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if we've ever talked about are

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Speaker 1: so haunted houses. I find it hilarious to watch other

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Speaker 1: In particular, I was really scared of bungee me sounds

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Speaker 1: episode that we did about kind of all of this

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Speaker 1: is Annie. Hey, hey Samantha, and welcome to stuff on

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Speaker 1: over to to your protection of I hear India's has

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Speaker 1: to work. I have to switch it up. I do too.

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking about fear. Yes, because it is.

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Speaker 1: know you're stressed, to calm down right when confronted with

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Speaker 1: something that triggers a fear response, Both men and women

429
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Speaker 1: have similar reactions grease, heart rate, breathing, muscle tension, and

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Speaker 1: blood pressure. In other words, yes, that that biochemical response

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Speaker 1: we're talking about earlier, the fight or fight response. However,

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Speaker 1: according to researchers out of U c l A, women

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Speaker 1: have additional unique response called tend and befriends. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, didn't They also add freeze, fight, fight, fight,

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Speaker 1: flight and freeze as a part of the responses. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so, Yeah, which is could be the tend

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Speaker 1: and be friend? Oh God, what do I do if

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Speaker 1: I'm nice to you or we're gonna be Okay? Basically,

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00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: tending be friend is a need to protect um, the woman,

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Speaker 1: herself and any children she may have. Oxytocin and reprotective

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Speaker 1: hormones play a role in it. Um. It makes women

442
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Speaker 1: more likely to seek out others to help them. Men

443
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: have a more marked fight our flight response. And this

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00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: brings us to the media, because we did want to

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Speaker 1: come back and talk about the role of media plays

446
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: and all of this because fear betrayals and fearmongering, they

447
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Speaker 1: have major consequences. Let's talk about the news because exaggerating

448
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: the dangers we face in the news is something that

449
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: psychologists have looked a lot into and warned against. This

450
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Speaker 1: is frequently called if it bleeds, it leads, so you're

451
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Speaker 1: more violent stories. If you paint them particularly grizzly, people

452
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: are more likely to tune in again. Kind of going

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Speaker 1: back to that thing we said earlier, where your brain

454
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Speaker 1: is like if this happens to me, I can survive?

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Speaker 1: Or how what should I avoid to not survive? First,

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Speaker 1: the news, by nature is news. It's it's something that happened.

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Speaker 1: And generally bad news and good news happen um and

458
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Speaker 1: are reported on very differently UM. One example I've seen

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Speaker 1: is like good news is on a longer time frame,

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Speaker 1: so if life expectancy is going up, you might not

461
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: see that until enough research has been done or until

462
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: enough time has passed, whereas bad news is generally something

463
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: has happened and it is bad right um. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: something psychologists called the availability heuristic, people estimate how often

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Speaker 1: something happens based on how readily we think we can

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Speaker 1: think of something similar. So if we see more bad

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Speaker 1: news than good news, will think more bad things happen

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00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: as opposed to good things. Things like airplane crashes and

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Speaker 1: stark attacks make the news when compared to more boring

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Speaker 1: in quotes deaths, so we think they happen more than

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Speaker 1: they do and we fear them more than perhaps we

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Speaker 1: should write. And according to data, news in general has

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Speaker 1: gotten more negative since the nineteen nineties all over the world.

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Speaker 1: For people who consume a lot of news, this watched

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Speaker 1: their worldview. The most well known example is an increased

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Speaker 1: fee of crime, even the crime rights have still been dropping. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I know this sounds like we're coming out against

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Speaker 1: the news or not. I have somebody who I consume

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Speaker 1: a lot of news, but I do think there's value

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Speaker 1: in being, you know, taking a step back, right. I

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Speaker 1: won't watch the news. I yeah, it's it's rough. The

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Speaker 1: thing I like to do is go through some types

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Speaker 1: of headlines to pick and choose so I can read

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Speaker 1: it and then go on with it. Um. But I

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00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: know several people who just have Fox News on repeat,

486
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: and and my mother actually specifically said I have to

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Speaker 1: stop watching Fox News. She said that to me at

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Speaker 1: one point when we got into a really big argument,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, huh, so you know that it

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00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: is an acknowledgement and what you hear and just being

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00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: consumed by that completely makes a whole different perspective happen

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00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: or your world being very tainted by that perspective, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not tainted, or at least influence influence Yeah. I read

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Speaker 1: a piece recently on UM the rise of comedians kind

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Speaker 1: of being where people get the news because it's an

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Speaker 1: easier way to digest it. It's a less painful way.

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Speaker 1: Um in the rise of like satirical news shows. Some

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Speaker 1: journalists proposed that this whole increasing negativity of the news

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Speaker 1: in part has led to President Trump, not the usual subjects,

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Speaker 1: as you're probably thinking, but the more relentless blanket of

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Speaker 1: cynicism that makes people watching the news feel that incremental

502
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: systemic change is impossible, like if everything's bad, blow up

503
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: the system right. Essentially, Trump weaponizes fear all the time,

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00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: and his integration speech he repeated false claims about crime

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Speaker 1: rates and actually used the phrase American carnage. Studies and

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Speaker 1: surveys have found that this is incredibly effectively effective and

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Speaker 1: not remember he would use specific examples of, um, someone

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Speaker 1: who may be trying to get egal status, and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about any of the criminal records and specifically highlight

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Speaker 1: that and then play that repeatedly, saying this is what's

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Speaker 1: coming into our country. Even called them all rapists and

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Speaker 1: drug dealers if I remember correctly, Um, so absolutely, and

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Speaker 1: it works. I have I've had that excuse paraded back

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Speaker 1: to me as to why immigration is so important. Um.

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Speaker 1: But you can also be used to persuade us to

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Speaker 1: give up certain rights or privacy, which is what I

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00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: learned today as I was doing my little training that

518
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: I was telling you about that one of the things

519
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: that they do is tell you you're about to be

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00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: arrested for something, or you're going to get negative for something.

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Speaker 1: You better contact us immediately or you will be deemed

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Speaker 1: And this is essentially ransom ransomware, ransomware, ransomware or malware.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I've never clicked on those because I

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00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: don't pay attention. In the earliest days of the Internet,

525
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: I got a ransomware that turned out to be really

526
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: hilarious because it didn't work. But I got a message,

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Speaker 1: uh my MSN and it was like, you have twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours to get me all of this stuff. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna tell et everything from your computer, and I just

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Speaker 1: forgot about it. Not even that's even better, you just

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Speaker 1: forgot I totally forgot Um, hopefully that didn't have consequences

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Speaker 1: that I'm okay, you seem to be doing. Okay me

533
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: mentioning it is going to trigger something from the whole desktop. Um,

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00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, kind of going off of that of fear

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00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: being used to get us to give up certain rights

536
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: September eleven. After September eleven, two thousand one, fear fed

537
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Speaker 1: in part by the news media led to increased racism

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Speaker 1: and profiling of Muslim Americans. The overrepresentation of black men

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Speaker 1: as criminals and particularly violent criminals in our news um,

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Speaker 1: and the more intimidating language use around those crimes as

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Speaker 1: opposed to similar crimes committed by white men, contributes to

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Speaker 1: a society that racializes crime. What people think a criminal

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Speaker 1: quote looks like. As we've seen, this can be life,

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Speaker 1: her death when it comes to police shootings of black people.

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Speaker 1: And obviously the issue is bigger than that and involves

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Speaker 1: a lot of other pieces, but this is a part

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00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: of it, exactly. And I know there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of conversation about the pictures that are posted um of

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00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: victims versus uh, black victims versus white victims, or black

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00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: perpetrators versus white propetorians, and in the way that makes

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00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: them look as we know that. It definitely puts a

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Speaker 1: specific stereotype and an assumption of why they died or

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Speaker 1: how they died, which is unfortunate itself. So from four

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Speaker 1: one study found that sixties six percent of the low

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Speaker 1: amount of time allotted to the Latin XT folks involved

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Speaker 1: stories of crimes or immigration. Yeah, so we're not talking

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Speaker 1: about them often in the news issues around Latin X folks,

558
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Speaker 1: but when we are sixty six percent at the time,

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Speaker 1: it's a Grimer integration. One study from twelve found that

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Speaker 1: after being exposed to as little as one minute of

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Speaker 1: negative news about the Latino community, participants were much more

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00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: likely trade members of that community as stupid, even given

563
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: a general positive outlook on the community before watching the

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00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: news club right. This again can lead to real life

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00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: policies that are fear based, ineffective, and damaging, like zero

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Speaker 1: tolerance at the border. And then black offenders are three

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Speaker 1: point nine times likelier to receive the death penalty when

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Speaker 1: compared to the offenders of other races who committed similar crimes,

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Speaker 1: and in courtrooms, black defendants receive an average of nineteen

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Speaker 1: point one percent longer sentence than white defendants who committed

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Speaker 1: a comparable crime. Some researchers believe that a piece of

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Speaker 1: this is the racialized fearmongering and our news media. And

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Speaker 1: even just an example of um, what happened recently was

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Speaker 1: the young black man who went to jail from missing

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Speaker 1: joy duty for ten ten days. Yeah, and then we

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Speaker 1: have Felicia Hoffman of a wealthy white woman went to jail.

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Speaker 1: What twelve days for bribing and doing legal things to

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Speaker 1: get her child into a privileged college. Is just kind

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Speaker 1: of like what you have? You have one that is

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Speaker 1: obviously doing something illegal to her advantage and one who

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Speaker 1: did not understand and missed something, and therefore what Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Negative stereotypes of the mentally ill interrnews and pop culture

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Speaker 1: have also had negative outcomes on our view and treatment

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Speaker 1: of mental illness. UM. Probably returned to that in future episode,

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Speaker 1: because that's a big topic. UM. Several academic papers have

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Speaker 1: been written about how the news media has historically helped

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00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: conditioned women to be more fearful by capitalizing off of

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Speaker 1: detailed stories about violence against women. The stories chosen are

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Speaker 1: often that of a young, often white woman being raped

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Speaker 1: by a stranger, leading to a misconception that this is

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Speaker 1: how most rapes happen, and for many reasons that's dangerous.

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Speaker 1: We touched on that in our Trauma series and our

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Speaker 1: friend Justin also touched on that as why that can

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Speaker 1: be seriously dangerous. Yeah, and it impacts people in court

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Speaker 1: rooms because they think that's not what a rape looks like, right, Samantha,

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Speaker 1: our lawyer friend was talking about that was the biggest

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Speaker 1: problem that she faced was it wasn't bad enough to

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Speaker 1: be believed. I read a whole history of rape reporting

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00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: for this and it was fascinating, very sad, but fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Prior to the nineteen seventies, only three cases of raper

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Speaker 1: reported around women's anger in magazines, and they were viewed

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Speaker 1: as unusual in quotes cases. Two of them dealt with

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Speaker 1: Italian women who refused to marry their rapists and quote

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Speaker 1: redeem their honor, even though the rapist of one of

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Speaker 1: these women was quote so charming well, the rapist was

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Speaker 1: charming well. Starting in the nineteen seventies, articles began to

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Speaker 1: focus more on questions around the rapist motivations and the

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Speaker 1: mother's faults, whether or not the rapist and victims name

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Speaker 1: should be used. What she was weighing those type of

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Speaker 1: things and how it is a societal problem. Yeah. Famous

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Speaker 1: sensationalized cases rape have led to other EPE victims asking

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Speaker 1: their lawyers to withdraw their case fearful of similar attention.

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Speaker 1: I've also read reports on how we've become more okay

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Speaker 1: talking about sexual assault when it comes to women, men

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Speaker 1: taking away women's sexual agency. But we still can't talk

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Speaker 1: about women having sex for pleasure. That's so many other

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Speaker 1: things we could do episodes on. On On this episode, women

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00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: are definitely generally portrayed as more fearful in our media.

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Speaker 1: This is a more culturally acceptable and expected response from

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Speaker 1: women and girls, like we were talking about earlier. I

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Speaker 1: can personally think of so many trailers that have some

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Speaker 1: shots many shots of women screaming are cowering? Don't they

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Speaker 1: specifically seek out women who can scream? Yeah? We also

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Speaker 1: frequently see a dismissal of women's fears as silly and

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00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: horror movies. Male characters are more likely to confront the

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Speaker 1: monster head on, while women are more likely to run

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00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: and only fight when forced. Now, there has been some

628
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: opinions that that shows the how masculinity won't save you

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Speaker 1: and the usually die immediately. Yes, but still you're seeing

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Speaker 1: male characters in a much stronger kind of like I'm

631
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Speaker 1: going to go face this problem, and female characters kind

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Speaker 1: of running away. And um, there has been an essay

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Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about a second. The writer

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Speaker 1: of the essay compared like the remakes, the seventies version

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Speaker 1: and the remakes and you generally, the remakes have made

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Speaker 1: the running away into more of a problem solving, like

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a stronger thing than just fleeing screaming. Right, Um, yes,

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Speaker 1: female characters do spend more time screaming and caring as

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00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: compared to male characters. It's not just me that thought

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Speaker 1: that I don't scream, I get scared, you get silent. Yeah,

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00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm kind of the same. I might shout and surprise

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Speaker 1: the all know that's my screaming like an actual fear.

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Speaker 1: I very really screaming. In fact, I have um as

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Speaker 1: an actor, I have trouble streaming because it feels so like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I get like disingenuous, yeah or something. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's not a real response because I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be a freezing person that just as there's stairs

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Speaker 1: that you're like, oh, what just happened? Yeah? So from

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Speaker 1: Chad Brewers two thousand five paper which you're mentioning the

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Speaker 1: stereotypic portrayal of women in slash of films then versus now.

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Speaker 1: In the study of horror films and female stereotype behavior,

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Speaker 1: Zillman and Weaver from n established that girls and female

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Speaker 1: adolescents in horror films who are witnessed displaying fearfulness in

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Speaker 1: protective need in the face of terror on the screen

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Speaker 1: are more favorably evaluated by male and female peers and

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Speaker 1: non peers than their counterparts who are witness display no distress.

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Speaker 1: That me but no distress. The display of fear is

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Speaker 1: merely one example of feminine stereotyped in that viewers expect

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Speaker 1: the females will remain afraid and helpless. No no fear

660
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Speaker 1: um has long been used as a marketing tactic to

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Speaker 1: convince people, especially women. I would argue to buy stuff

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Speaker 1: that they don't need, so sort of this whole thing

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Speaker 1: of fostering fear and women and then saying you should

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Speaker 1: buy this, You should buy the pink the pink pepper

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Speaker 1: spray which someone has given me as a goody. It's

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Speaker 1: so cute. Wait, didn't you have that in your movie. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that was based on a real thing. Okay. Some studies

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Speaker 1: have found that people make decisions on birth based on

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Speaker 1: what they've learned from the media, which rarely depicts a normal,

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Speaker 1: healthy birth. It's something that our society has made very

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Speaker 1: mysterious that we've hidden from view unless highly dramatized for

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Speaker 1: our entertainment. Increasingly that is changing with folks going online

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Speaker 1: for more information, which comes with its own set of risk.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of us are familiar with those.

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Speaker 1: Um so there's a lot going on with fear. Fear

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Speaker 1: is a very complex thing to talk about and the

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Speaker 1: impacts that have are also very complex. But we do

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Speaker 1: have a little bit more for you and some solid

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Speaker 1: little tips on fear management. But first we have one

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Speaker 1: more quick break for a root from our sponsor and

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Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you sponsor. So fear management. If you're

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Speaker 1: looking to like go of some fears, experts recommend therapy

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Speaker 1: if that's an option for you, or otherwise finding coping mechanisms.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps if you find your fear is based on things

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Speaker 1: you're seeing in the news, step away or find a

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Speaker 1: different way to get that news. Gradual exposure is something

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Speaker 1: else that's recommended. This is how I got over my

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Speaker 1: fear of aliens and extraterrestrials. Um. This can be re

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Speaker 1: traumatizing though, if not handled carefully and all cognizant of

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Speaker 1: your mental health and learning to recognize emotions and where

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Speaker 1: they're coming from. Like if you can pinpoint why am

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Speaker 1: I so distressed right now? What is it? That's really

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Speaker 1: helpful and that's a tool that you have to work on. UM.

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Speaker 1: I know some places recommend under supervision doing the like exposure,

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Speaker 1: massive exposure right away. I personally have my dubts about that.

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Speaker 1: But if you've got a professional that you trust, do

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Speaker 1: your research. Okay, it's a whole Criminal Minds episode, by

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Speaker 1: the way, is it, Yeah, where the therapist does exposure therapy.

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Speaker 1: But like a lot of yeah, yeah, well yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: be careful. Yeah to me, it's gradual is key. Maybe

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Speaker 1: first start like just by talking about it, and then

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Speaker 1: go from looking at a picture representation to playing with

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Speaker 1: something related to it, things like that and so on.

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Speaker 1: Always be critical of the media. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: good one. And the news you consume, as we all

706
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Speaker 1: were already talked about how it is, can be very biased.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you should start thinking about and reasoning out

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Speaker 1: what this means and what it may be saying to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just if you find something is making you afraid, ask

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Speaker 1: why why? Then? Why what is the gender here? Um?

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Speaker 1: I for one have notes that say be brave all

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Speaker 1: around my apartment at my desk as a reminder, and

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Speaker 1: they actually do help for some weird I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I look at them and I'm like, here we go.

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Speaker 1: I have to take long, deep breaths for me sometimes

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Speaker 1: when I'm in a really bad situation and their fear

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Speaker 1: comes up or the anxiety comes up due to that fear. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that's a good one. If you know

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Speaker 1: what your physical responses are to fear, find ways to

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Speaker 1: physically Fear is powerful and political and useful. It influences

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Speaker 1: our lives on a global and national and personal way.

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Speaker 1: Knowing more about it and how people use it to

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Speaker 1: manipulate us and how it frames the way people view

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Speaker 1: us is really really useful. Because while haunted houses and

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00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: horror movies can be really fun for some, racism and

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00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: sexism are not. Obviously, I would hope that would be obvious.

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Speaker 1: I would hope so, but worth repeating, worth repeating, So

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's I have so much more we

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Speaker 1: could talk about. I mean, honestly, we could just take

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Speaker 1: down at decipher through some of these things and do

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Speaker 1: that individual small sentence as a bigger episode. Obviously we

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Speaker 1: could and if those, if anything that we've touched on

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Speaker 1: this episode really resonates with you listeners, right in and

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Speaker 1: let us know, because we take your suggestions seriously. Yes, UM,

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Speaker 1: And speaking of we did want to read some listener

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Speaker 1: mail slash shout outs. Valerie wrote, I'd like to suggest

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Speaker 1: a flash forward. This is a UM when we asked

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Speaker 1: for podcast suggestions UM. In each episode, the podcaster rose

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Speaker 1: Eve the I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly imagines a

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Speaker 1: scenario from the future where some particular thing has happen,

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Speaker 1: such as, for example, if all the honey bees were gone.

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Speaker 1: Actors act out the scenario and then rose it does

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Speaker 1: an in depth look at the science behind it. Highly recommended.

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Speaker 1: Oh that sounds funny, that sounds awesome, fantastic idea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I definitely want to check that out. Maggie wrote, I

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Speaker 1: was catching up on Smenty today. I wanted to thank

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Speaker 1: you both for the fantastic episode and women in podcasting. Oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I have a movie podcast with my best friend.

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Speaker 1: It's a hobby for us, definitely not a career, and

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Speaker 1: it was so refreshing to hear two talented kickasts women

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Speaker 1: in the industry open up about their experience and insecurities

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Speaker 1: with it. I definitely related to hating the sound of

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Speaker 1: your own voice. I had it all of our podcasts,

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Speaker 1: so I've gotten used to it, but I still often

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Speaker 1: catch myself editing out my arms and likes because of

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Speaker 1: the fear that I'll sound too young, or stupid, or

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Speaker 1: just not confident enough in my opinions and analysis. For

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Speaker 1: the longest time, I was very shy about even telling

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Speaker 1: people I had a podcast because I knew how critical

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Speaker 1: people could be, especially of female voices, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: feel like it was a real podcast since our listenership

762
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Speaker 1: is fairly small and we record sitting on the floor

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Speaker 1: of my closet because I will trade dignity for good

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Speaker 1: acoustics any day. It didn't help that a friend of

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Speaker 1: a friend wants asked me what what I thought gave

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Speaker 1: me the right to have a podcast when it came

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Speaker 1: up in casual conversation. I've gotten over that, partially from

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Speaker 1: support of my close friends and family and partially thinks

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Speaker 1: to great female podcasting role models, such as yourself. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's called I. I emailed her back and asked her

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Speaker 1: about the podcast because we need to know. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: it's called the Best Pictures Podcast, and we're watching and

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Speaker 1: reviewing every Academy Award Best Picture. The episodes on It

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Speaker 1: Happened One Night and An American in Paris are probably

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Speaker 1: my favorite. So yeah, my friend is watching the A

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Speaker 1: f I list of top movies. I think they may

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Speaker 1: be done now, but I know that was something. So

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Speaker 1: that's super cool because people want to know what is

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Speaker 1: this because I'm not going to watch every single one

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Speaker 1: of those movies. I have a friend who did that,

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Speaker 1: and she's actually been on the show before. Hello Katie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I seen maybe half, but yeah, I

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Speaker 1: go check out that podcast and then we have another one.

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Speaker 1: Jamie wrote, I just listen to your podcast about Lady Clowns,

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Speaker 1: and it immediately had thinking about my colleague. I'm one

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Speaker 1: of the Capital City Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence in Sacramento, California.

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Speaker 1: The Mother House in San Francisco starred in the seventies

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Speaker 1: and has spread all over the world, even in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: Are really pale drag queens. We also wear cornets and veils.

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Speaker 1: Like the nuns, we pattern ourselves after we do the

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Speaker 1: works of nuns in our communities, leading lives of service.

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Speaker 1: But like the clowns in your episode, we spread joy

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Speaker 1: and eliminate stigmatic guilt. Some of us referred to ourselves

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Speaker 1: We almost all have sister names. Mine is hav Akiki

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Speaker 1: gay men, women, non binary and transistors exist, but we

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Speaker 1: are a minority and can often suffer the judgment other

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Speaker 1: women in typically male dominated group's experience. It's much like

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Speaker 1: with the clowns you spoke to and of, and much

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Speaker 1: like what other pioneering women in our past have experienced.

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Speaker 1: I myself am a podcaster Orange Lounge Radio at vog

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Speaker 1: to our updated episode, whenever I have to deal slash

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Speaker 1: watch things that are emotionally hard, I get my favorite

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Speaker 1: really good advice. So I need someone to bring me

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Speaker 1: same context from hands in the Air emoji. I like that,

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Speaker 1: Hieni and Samantha. This is a couple of podcasts late.

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Speaker 1: But I'm wanting to write y'all about the herbal sleep

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Speaker 1: remedy I've been using that quite literally puts me to

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Speaker 1: tried cava cava root? Did a No? I'll usually mix

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Speaker 1: tea or just a ginger lemon honey for you any

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Speaker 1: I would look into that one. I think it consumes.

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Speaker 1: Like I said in that episode, trying to sleep consumes

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Speaker 1: so much of my life. Another day, I was reminded

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Speaker 1: of when I first moved into my old apartment, not

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Speaker 1: the one I'm currently in. I was filming a movie

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Speaker 1: bed and she was being tortured by ghost. And I

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Speaker 1: I was all day in bed being ghost. So my

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Speaker 1: put sheets on it. Well, I get sad, and I

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Speaker 1: It is okay me too. If you have a podcast

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Speaker 1: love to hear it. You can email us at Stuff

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Speaker 1: are on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. Thanks as always

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Speaker 1: to our super producer Andrew Howard Andrew, and thanks to

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Speaker 1: more podcast from my Heart Radio, visit the heart Radio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.