WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Gibtown: Sideshow Central

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh. There's Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the two of us again. We uh can

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<v Speaker 1>let it all hang out. Jerry's not around. Um, we're

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple of dudes hanging out in our bathrobes

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<v Speaker 1>talking about GiB Town, the town in Florida near Sarasota

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<v Speaker 1>and Tampa where the people who lived in the circus

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<v Speaker 1>where the Carnivals went to live when they weren't working.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go quick story. Since we've on a short stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll make it twenty seconds. I got out of the

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<v Speaker 1>shower today and I almost went and put on a

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<v Speaker 1>suit just to walk into the kitchen and make Emily laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't worth the effort. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I told her the joke and said to just imagine

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<v Speaker 1>I did that, right, that's good enough. Uh, so give Town. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we did a show, an episode on Circus Side Shows,

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<v Speaker 1>uh way back, and it's a really good one. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know that we'll talk about this a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode. But um, these things can very much

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<v Speaker 1>seem like exploitation of people with disabilities, and on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>they certainly were. But on the other hand, we found

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<v Speaker 1>out through research. A lot of these people it was

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<v Speaker 1>the only way they could make money. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them found love and community, and so it is very

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<v Speaker 1>much something that is is in the Gray area, uh

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<v Speaker 1>as far as you know when this was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just wanted to throw that out there. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was really good, Chuck, because I remember our

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<v Speaker 1>um what do we call him? Sideshow performers or did we?

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<v Speaker 1>Was freaks used in the title of that episode. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember. I don't think we did, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>a really good one. And I remember I just saw

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<v Speaker 1>Freaks the movie the other day and apparently, um a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people from GiB Town who hadn't settled there

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<v Speaker 1>quite yet but soon would. We're in that movie as well,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure. So, um, we're talking about Gibsonton, Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>which is near Tampa, and it is on the Alphia

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, the Alafia or the Alafia River? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know which one it is? No? I no, I hang

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<v Speaker 1>out on the east side when I'm down there, that's

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<v Speaker 1>west side. We don't. We don't get along very well. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I see flashing your west side sign. Yeah, you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even see me, and you you knew that I did

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<v Speaker 1>that when I said west Side, and it was all

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<v Speaker 1>jumbled to like it's just basically all fingers were splayed

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<v Speaker 1>on each hand, and then I put it up against

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<v Speaker 1>my chest as if I've been recording a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these skype things now with movie Crush, and I always

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<v Speaker 1>do video and they're always surprised when they ask about us,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, we don't do video, mainly because my

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<v Speaker 1>notes get in the way. But I was like, after

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<v Speaker 1>this long, all I need is that guy in my

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<v Speaker 1>ear holes. Sure a little bit of this right up

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<v Speaker 1>in your ear Yeah, So give Gibson toon. If you

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<v Speaker 1>went to that town in the nineteen fifties and walked

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<v Speaker 1>around a bit, you would think, what is going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>There are lions and tigers in that backyard. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant run by an eight foot tall man and

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<v Speaker 1>his wife, a woman with no legs, And there's Lobster Boy,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is uh monkey girl. And these are all

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the unfortunate names given to them on their

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<v Speaker 1>side show tours, yes, sometimes by their adopted parents, who

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<v Speaker 1>would be the promoters a side shower circus promoters who

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<v Speaker 1>basically literally had legally adopted them and in some cases

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<v Speaker 1>that was actually a step up for you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the kids. But um, yes, if you did walk

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<v Speaker 1>around what came to be called GiB Town, um it

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<v Speaker 1>did seem a little different. I mean just the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that people had like monkeys and elephants and lions and

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<v Speaker 1>tigers in their backyard. That's a pretty that's a that's

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<v Speaker 1>a different than most other towns. The side show rides

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<v Speaker 1>parked and people's driveways, it's a little different too. And

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<v Speaker 1>apparently this town was that way because it was first

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<v Speaker 1>settled by um, the the Giant and the half woman

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<v Speaker 1>they called themselves, but their names were Alan Genie Tomaini,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great Genie Tomaini. It just rolls off the tongue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's great. But they first showed up there in

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<v Speaker 1>the thirties, and I guess they just basically said, hey, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>this this place is kind of cool. We're not judged,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not treated differently in the town's actually kind of neat.

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually the town or the county, Hillsboro County, passed

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<v Speaker 1>an ordinance that said you can have things like carnival

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<v Speaker 1>rides in your driveway or elephants in your backyard. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>be if you are a carnival or circus performer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they got the notion that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sleepy little town, and in the nineteen sixties they

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<v Speaker 1>had about a hundred actual sideshow performers and about a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand carnies that would live there. When you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>just became a friendly place for them all to live

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<v Speaker 1>and they were all kind of like a big family.

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<v Speaker 1>So they congregated there, and I think the town was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, these are great residents. They pay their

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<v Speaker 1>uh state taxes. Wait a minute, it's Florida, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why they're living here. There are no state taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>although I don't know if that was the deal back then,

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<v Speaker 1>but or has it always been the deal. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know. I don't know. I know there's no state

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<v Speaker 1>income tax, but there's like the property taxes are much higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they make it up in other ways. For sure,

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<v Speaker 1>right they get they get you one away of the

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<v Speaker 1>other that elephant taxes really steep. But they realized, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we could use these residents. And they're only here part time,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know what I'm saying, So that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>great too. And so they made like you said, these

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<v Speaker 1>business ordinances that made it kind of a friendly place

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<v Speaker 1>for Carney's. So I say we take a break and

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<v Speaker 1>come back and talk a little more about give Town.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. What's the famous quote, Chuck, don't don't

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<v Speaker 1>try it, Jake, this is GiB Town. That's it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even think I got the first part, right, No

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't, Jake, Jake, stop stop, this is gid Town.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do it. I think it's uh a GiB town.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm walking here, that's it. That's from Midnight Cowboy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Midnight Cowboy. Yes, that is Dustin Hoffman. Right, nice work.

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<v Speaker 1>So back to GiB Town. This town by, like we said,

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<v Speaker 1>by the nineteen sixties was booming with carnival folk. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They loved living there. It was a kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>lovely community for them. And we mentioned earlier that they

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes found love. Uh. We we mentioned the tall man

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<v Speaker 1>and the short lady who traveled as the world's strangest

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<v Speaker 1>married couple. It's actually a very sweet story. Yeah. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>he was over eight feet tall, Chuck, and she, not

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<v Speaker 1>having any legs, was about two and a half feet tall,

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<v Speaker 1>and it am at the knees. Yeah, yeah, I guess so, um,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like mid Shin. Actually who knows it was a knee.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a picture. Okay, where there you go? So um,

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<v Speaker 1>the Tomaini's they toured as the world's strangest married couple

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<v Speaker 1>and they actually they had kids too, and their their

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<v Speaker 1>daughter remembered that they would, you know, leave for the

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<v Speaker 1>summer and go make some money and come back to

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<v Speaker 1>to Give Town and and run the Fish Camp Giants

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<v Speaker 1>Fish Camp, which is one of the places that that

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<v Speaker 1>they owned, which was very legendary but apparently isn't there anymore. No,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a memorial there. Now. I watched a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>short YouTube videos about Give Town, and you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are still remnants of uh and there are still some performers.

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<v Speaker 1>About two hundred carnival people still live there, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>little remnants of that past world. Every now and then

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see some broken down, old rusted rides in like

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<v Speaker 1>a vacant lot, or maybe a themed restaurant that's closed down.

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<v Speaker 1>So Get Towns about forty five miles from Sara Sota,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where the Wringling Brothers Barnman Bailey Circus winters.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it was, and we've talked about Florida

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<v Speaker 1>in general, having sort of circus stuff in general. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think it all just sort of made sense, right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I I don't know why GiB Town. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was just that the Tomainis happened to set up

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<v Speaker 1>shop there and found that the people were tallerant and friendly,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just kind of spread from there. So it

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<v Speaker 1>had the Heyday from I'd say the thirties till maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties or so. And um. This article from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works points out that there were side shows in

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<v Speaker 1>operation pre Lallapalooza, side shows like the Real Deal um

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<v Speaker 1>into the eighties and um, though they really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>started to decline by like the thirties and forties. People

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<v Speaker 1>were like, this seems exploitive, and people say, well, it

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<v Speaker 1>probably is, um, but let's not ask the performers. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just decide for them. But finally, in Americans with Disabilities

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<v Speaker 1>Act was past, and all of a sudden, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>working in a sideshow is not the only place you

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<v Speaker 1>could get a job if you had some sort of um,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the word I'm looking for. I don't know, physical malady, abnormality. Maybe, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure the right way to say that. These days,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not either, But if you were a sideshow performer,

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<v Speaker 1>you could now get a job anywhere thanks to the

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<v Speaker 1>A D A. That's right, which is great. Um. The

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<v Speaker 1>lobster boys, he was known greaty styles. He was known

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<v Speaker 1>as the lobster Boy because and here's the deal, and

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about this in the Side Show Performer podcast episode,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you got into these things because you were

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<v Speaker 1>born with a condition almost invariably, and they would view

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<v Speaker 1>a name like lobster boy, when in fact you had

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<v Speaker 1>a real life condition, which which one was that ectrodactically

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<v Speaker 1>right where it appears like you have two fingers only

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of looked like claws. It looks a lot

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<v Speaker 1>like lobster clause. Actually, yeah, and Justin Bieber's wife actually

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<v Speaker 1>has a form of this because she has a pinky

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<v Speaker 1>that is um sort of misshapen, and she has just

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<v Speaker 1>come out and said, all right, let's look and talk

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<v Speaker 1>look at it and talk about it, because here it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But he actually was a terrible person, so that he

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<v Speaker 1>was murdered. He was an abusive alcoholic. He killed his

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<v Speaker 1>first wife and was sentenced to home incarceration because there

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<v Speaker 1>was no prison that could care for him. Wait he

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<v Speaker 1>killed us? No, I think he killed Yeah that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, daughter's fiance home incarcerated, quit drinking, got married again,

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<v Speaker 1>started drinking again, and allegedly he was either knocked off

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<v Speaker 1>by Carney for bucks paid for by current wife or uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the neighbor just came over and took care of business

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<v Speaker 1>because they knew what a bad guy he was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think like he he was paid from what I

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<v Speaker 1>saw like that that amount of money. I didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>any other alternate theories. But he shot him twice in

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<v Speaker 1>the head and he died like sitting in his chair. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't a very good guy from what I saw either. No,

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<v Speaker 1>so not to you know, not to trash his name,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, but that was like the big scandal

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<v Speaker 1>in give Town. For the most part, it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a really peaceful, happy place where if you were a

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<v Speaker 1>side show performer, like you could go feel at home

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<v Speaker 1>and be yourself. And one of the cutest things that

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<v Speaker 1>I saw was that another couple that found love. Um

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<v Speaker 1>Priscilla the monkey girl who had hypertrichosis, which was um.

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<v Speaker 1>She had like a full head of hair, like a

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<v Speaker 1>hair do as an infant, and it just kept going

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<v Speaker 1>from there. She had a beard. Um, she was like,

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<v Speaker 1>just had tons of hair. Um. She married Emit the

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<v Speaker 1>alligator skin Man, who had a healthy case of ichthyosis,

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<v Speaker 1>which is thick, scaly skin all over your body. And

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<v Speaker 1>they were married for so long that they had their

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<v Speaker 1>fiftieth wedding anniversary at a local club, the Showman's Club.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fact that the cutest thing it is. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love the idea of GiB Town that these people came together,

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<v Speaker 1>um on the outskirts of society, and now hipsters are

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<v Speaker 1>moving there apparently. Yeah, that's the least surprising part of

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<v Speaker 1>this entire episode. That's right. One other thing, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to see something very cute, go look up a

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<v Speaker 1>baby photo of Priscilla the monkey Girl. She was adorable. Agreed. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to your favorite shows.