Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wik f Daily with
Speaker 1: me your girl, Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.
Speaker 1: Today I get into a conversation with our friend or
Speaker 1: in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, about how we reframe
Speaker 1: the conversations around education being fundamental to our democracy. It
Speaker 1: has always been clear since the battle for integration in
Speaker 1: our schools that schools are where Republicans point their weapons.
Speaker 1: Why because the more that people know, the more robust
Speaker 1: education that people have, the less ability they have to
Speaker 1: be controlled, the more questions that they ask. So if
Speaker 1: you go to war on critical thought, if you ban books,
Speaker 1: if you ban thinking, if you narrow curriculum to implement
Speaker 1: your lies, you further the cause for white supremacy. When
Speaker 1: you have generation after generation of students believing that slavery
Speaker 1: was a good thing, that the owning of people, the raping,
Speaker 1: the beating, the brutalization, the ripping of babies and breaking
Speaker 1: apart of families, the lynchings, the torture, the domestic terrorism.
Speaker 1: When you start to look for the bright side and
Speaker 1: all of those things and say, wow, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they were enslaved and shackled and beaten and weren't fed,
Speaker 1: and you know, tortured for four hundred, five hundred years.
Speaker 1: But at least they became a woodworker, least they learned
Speaker 1: how to be a blacksmith. When the truth of the
Speaker 1: matter is those very people were stolen from their countries,
Speaker 1: from their communities with them skills that they came here with.
Speaker 1: Those white slaveholders didn't teach them a fucking thing except
Speaker 1: how depraved parts of humanity could actually be. So Jonathan
Speaker 1: and I in today's conversation talk about the fact that
Speaker 1: Democrats are late to the party with regard to education,
Speaker 1: public education being on the front lines of the battle
Speaker 1: to save our democracy, because if we are not fighting
Speaker 1: for robust, genuine, fact based education, then our society has
Speaker 1: no chance for survival because what we are creating then
Speaker 1: is generation of generation of mindless which it workers, which
Speaker 1: is sad because guess what, we ain't got no whichet's
Speaker 1: to work in this country because we've outsourced factories. So
Speaker 1: you tell me the jobs that people are going to
Speaker 1: get that allow them to be globally competitive and also,
Speaker 1: I don't know, competitive against artificial intelligence, which in the
Speaker 1: next five to ten years is going to replace a
Speaker 1: lot of fucking jobs. We are creating our own destruction.
Speaker 1: And if we don't fight for education, if we don't
Speaker 1: fight for books, if we just look at this as
Speaker 1: siloed issues of oh well, they're talking about black people
Speaker 1: today and Jewish people tomorrow and trans people the next day,
Speaker 1: if we just take it piece by piece instead of
Speaker 1: fighting for the whole, which is the right to think.
Speaker 2: That's what we're fighting for. It is absolutely crazy that
Speaker 2: we are watching day by day, decision by decision, policy
Speaker 2: pass by policy, measured pass that are denying people free thought,
Speaker 2: bodily autonomy. Folks, we got to wake the fuck up,
Speaker 2: and we got to wake up everybody around us. And
Speaker 2: I keep saying it does not matter if you have
Speaker 2: kids in the school system, because having an educated workforce
Speaker 2: matters to all of us. So I am encouraging people
Speaker 2: to find out about your school board elections, find out
Speaker 2: what the fuck is happening in your school speak out, donate,
Speaker 2: run for office. We have got to mobilize because right
Speaker 2: now they are winning. Coming up next, my conversation with
Speaker 2: our friend Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever we
Speaker 2: have the opportunity each week to sit down with our
Speaker 2: in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzil. I am always thrilled
Speaker 2: and the conversation is always stirring, and this week I'm
Speaker 2: sure will be no different. Jonathan.
Speaker 1: We are living in such a crazy time. I have
Speaker 1: no better way to disclose that. But you know, I
Speaker 1: find that every time we sit down, you will larnt
Speaker 1: me to something that I'm like, no way, that couldn't
Speaker 1: possibly be like a thing, and You're just like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it truly is happening. So, folks, what we know is
Speaker 1: that over the last couple of weeks or last, yeah,
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, the state of Florida has
Speaker 1: once again outdone itself with their pure, unadulterated fuckery to
Speaker 1: erase black people, black culture, to marginalized the trans community,
Speaker 1: which is already marginalized, and to criminalize women and everyone
Speaker 1: essentially that is not white, that is not cis, that
Speaker 1: is not hetero or male. And they really, I mean
Speaker 1: just took great lengths to redesign the education curriculum that
Speaker 1: would have young people in the State of Florida to
Speaker 1: learn and believe that slavery was somehow beneficial to black people,
Speaker 1: which is It's what I did in a video the
Speaker 1: other day, Jonathan, which was stating that it is not
Speaker 1: enough to oppress, right, they actually want you to be
Speaker 1: grateful for the oppression, Like that's the place that we're in,
Speaker 1: which is to say, oh, well, slavery wasn't necessary evil,
Speaker 1: and you should be grateful for the fact that you
Speaker 1: learn skills, because how they see black people were as
Speaker 1: empty minded animals that they brought here, domesticated and gave
Speaker 1: all of these skills to left to their own devices. Right,
Speaker 1: who would have known what would have happened to, you know,
Speaker 1: enslaved Africans. That's the mentality of white supremacist slaveholders and
Speaker 1: their ancestors aka the Desantises, the Abbots, the Trumps, and
Speaker 1: the Republican Party of the world. Now, please tell the
Speaker 1: people how far this ideology is now going. And what
Speaker 1: was just stated on Fox.
Speaker 3: Well, the logic, I think you're exactly right is it's
Speaker 3: kind of a three step process, right, That is that
Speaker 3: because people don't just fall out of bed in the
Speaker 3: morning saying I'm ready to oppress people like you have
Speaker 3: to kind of lead them up to it by this
Speaker 3: kind of logical scaffolding, which is what we're seeing. And
Speaker 3: so the first part that I think is really important
Speaker 3: is you're not the oppressor or the aggressor. You're the victim, right,
Speaker 3: And we're seeing that happen a lot. There was a
Speaker 3: poll that came out, I think last week that showed
Speaker 3: that over sixty percent of white Americans think that anti
Speaker 3: white racism is the most parnicious form of racism in
Speaker 3: this country. So increasingly white Americans are saying, it's not
Speaker 3: anti black racism that is the problem, it's actually we're
Speaker 3: the victims of racism, like kind of turning the turning
Speaker 3: the tide. So number one is that there's this logical
Speaker 3: twist in which people become the victims. And what does
Speaker 3: that do, right, It get off get you don't have
Speaker 3: to see your own complicity. It's not like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: part of a system that's oppressing other people. In fact,
Speaker 3: I'm the victim of this system. I don't have to
Speaker 3: see my own participation. So that's part number one. And
Speaker 3: then part number two is I'm going to find some
Speaker 3: strong man or strong person who protects me because I'm
Speaker 3: the victim of all this kind of stuff, which is
Speaker 3: we're seeing with the rise of Trump and DeSantis and
Speaker 3: this logic of not like, let's make the country better
Speaker 3: for everybody. And then the third is historical revision that
Speaker 3: fill in the blank, historical atrocity wasn't so bad. Why
Speaker 3: should we be hung up on studying black history. Slavery
Speaker 3: wasn't so bad. In fact, slaves learned marketable skills that
Speaker 3: they later losed in the job market. Now, of course,
Speaker 3: it's never the people who themselves, their families, their groups
Speaker 3: were the victims of that. It's more like people who
Speaker 3: are on the outside trying to justify. It's more often
Speaker 3: people who were in the aggressor group who were saying, oh,
Speaker 3: the system wasn't so bad. We help people, and we
Speaker 3: have much more to say. I hope we talk about
Speaker 3: it today about where that logic comes from about slavery
Speaker 3: wasn't so bad. But once that gets to be your logic,
Speaker 3: it gets to ridiculous endpoints, like what happened a couple
Speaker 3: of days ago on Fox News where a Jewish Fox
Speaker 3: News host was talking to another Fox News host and
Speaker 3: the Fox News host said, I'm Jewish, Are you going
Speaker 3: to tell me that the Holocaust wasn't so bad? And
Speaker 3: the Fox News people all said, yeah, there were marketable
Speaker 3: skills that Jews who survived the Holocaust got and people
Speaker 3: who survived the Holocaust, and they were citing Victor Frankel,
Speaker 3: whose brothers, parents, and pregnant wife were all murdered in
Speaker 3: concentration camps as saying because Victor Frankel survived the Holocaust,
Speaker 3: so in a way, what they're doing is just using
Speaker 3: this and the Holocaust thing for me was like, man,
Speaker 3: it's just like mad lips, Like you can just fill
Speaker 3: in the historical atrocity and then say it wasn't so
Speaker 3: bad for that kind of thing. But it's gotten to
Speaker 3: the point where, yes, the Holocaust taught Jews marketable skills
Speaker 3: that they could later use in the job market. That's
Speaker 3: a logic that is actually being said on the biggest
Speaker 3: news channel in the United States.
Speaker 2: I am just like outdone. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Like I get to a point I find where this
Speaker 1: is an even revisionist I don't even know what you
Speaker 1: would call this, Jonathan, like one the like the system
Speaker 1: of slavery was the biggest crime against humanity in the world, right,
Speaker 1: Like you're talking about millions of people being raped and
Speaker 1: tortured and brutalized and terrorized and literally treated as animals,
Speaker 1: going so far as to go through the court system
Speaker 1: to deny people their humanity for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Speaker 1: The vileness of slavery that we are still feeling the
Speaker 1: effects of and will until the end of days in
Speaker 1: this country and around the world. It is what anti
Speaker 1: blackness is perpetuated off of. It is what policies are
Speaker 1: created around, right, And so to have this Florida Board
Speaker 1: of Education decide that this is how they're going to
Speaker 1: teach slavery goes to show you the lengths that white
Speaker 1: supremacy has to go to in order to survive, the
Speaker 1: lengths of lies and the depths of deceit, in order
Speaker 1: to continue to indoctrinate generation after generation to believe that
Speaker 1: black people deserve the treatment that they've received because all
Speaker 1: white people are benevolent, right, and that without the institution
Speaker 1: of slavery, that black people would have never been able
Speaker 1: to thrive and survive in society. Again, and perpetuating lies
Speaker 1: and stereotypes about the humanity of black people, denying the
Speaker 1: depravity of white domestic terrorism, which is what founded this country.
Speaker 1: To then go to the other length to begin to
Speaker 1: erase the responsibility of people's roles in the Holocaust, including
Speaker 1: the United States that allowed and waited for millions of
Speaker 1: Jewish people to die before you actually to be murdered,
Speaker 1: before you engaged in war. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk to these people. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you talk to these people.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what where the bridge is anymore, Jonathan, Like,
Speaker 1: I just think that it's burned to the ground. You
Speaker 1: tell me, because I don't see how you move forward.
Speaker 1: If we don't have a foundation one of shared values
Speaker 1: and laws and like what we consider to be evil
Speaker 1: and wrong, Like, if we don't have a shared morality,
Speaker 1: then I don't know how society functions.
Speaker 3: I want to give like an answer to that, which
Speaker 3: is like, oh, yeah, here's how you turn it around.
Speaker 3: I do think that education is at the core of
Speaker 3: a lot of this, honestly. I mean it's not lost
Speaker 3: on anybody. I think that this it's not even just
Speaker 3: revisionist history, it's wrong history, right, Like what they said
Speaker 3: on Fox News, for example, was that Jews survived concentration
Speaker 3: camps by being the word they use was useful, and
Speaker 3: so you would have to like know nothing about the
Speaker 3: Holocaust to know to not know that the Jews who
Speaker 3: survived the Holocaust, it was just totally capricious, like there
Speaker 3: was no everybody died basically, but the ways that they
Speaker 3: made deals with people is like if you help push
Speaker 3: your aunt into the gas chamber, you you'll survive another
Speaker 3: week or something like that. Like what useful meant was
Speaker 3: serving the needs of the murderers, right, And so in
Speaker 3: a way, it's it's it's it's ignorant, but it's also
Speaker 3: a really dangerous lie. And so part of the story
Speaker 3: is that this is playing out in the context of
Speaker 3: all of these attacks on education for being too woke
Speaker 3: and redoing the standards and stuff like that they're trying
Speaker 3: to kind of and so I think we need a
Speaker 3: massive mobilization and defense of education. I think education is
Speaker 3: the terrain that this is obviously being fought on. And
Speaker 3: we were late to the game. Right a year ago
Speaker 3: we talked about it on this show. Right wingers were
Speaker 3: mobilizing at school boards and saying let's ban books and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and we were horrified. But every time
Speaker 3: there were five hundred parents saying we want these books banned,
Speaker 3: there should have been five thousand people showing up at
Speaker 3: the school board saying we're not going to stand for that,
Speaker 3: or running for school board elections or things like that.
Speaker 3: Like I think, I think we're seeing and I'm surprised
Speaker 3: that education is the terrain right. It's been right in
Speaker 3: front of us this entire time.
Speaker 1: But it's always been the terrain right, Jonathan, Like we're
Speaker 1: going back to Ruby Bridges and the integration of schools.
Speaker 1: Schools have always been on the front lines of the
Speaker 1: cultural wars. And I don't even want to call it
Speaker 1: the cultural wars, because the cultural war would be to
Speaker 1: presume that there are two sides that are fighting against
Speaker 1: each other when it is one white supremacist party that
Speaker 1: has always used education as there to as a weapon.
Speaker 3: But don't you think that a lot of this came
Speaker 3: out of when Trump said there are no facts I
Speaker 3: actually won the election. It kind of opened the doors
Speaker 3: for people to say, hey, wait, there are no facts.
Speaker 3: The story is whatever we tell it to And it's
Speaker 3: been going on a lot before the election. But when
Speaker 3: like even the narrative of our own democracy became kind
Speaker 3: of up for grabs, like it's it's it was so
Speaker 3: blatantly false that that Trump lost the election, but the
Speaker 3: term win the election. But if you convince enough people
Speaker 3: that the system was rigged or Trump actually won the election,
Speaker 3: and then you overturn the school boards and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: you can actually create your own reality. And so there's
Speaker 3: something about this that flows for me, at least out
Speaker 3: of Trump taking the most obvious fact in the world, like, dude,
Speaker 3: you lost the election and saying we don't have to
Speaker 3: stand for any fact that we don't agree with. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And that to me like opened the doors. And so
Speaker 3: in a way, obviously we're fighting back against that. But
Speaker 3: these things to me like kind of all seem they
Speaker 3: all seem connected, which is, there is no truth except
Speaker 3: for the one that makes you feel good or something
Speaker 3: something like that. And so in a way it just
Speaker 3: seems to me like education is is I just I'm
Speaker 3: thinking that any schools across the country have closed their
Speaker 3: dei offices after the Supreme Court ruling. And have you
Speaker 3: heard a lot of protests about that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a and and to you to your point,
Speaker 1: I actually, if we're if we're talking about the beginning
Speaker 1: of the ends of facts, I want to go all
Speaker 1: the way back to you know, the beginning of the
Speaker 1: climate change arguments. Right when science no longer became a
Speaker 1: black and white issue, right Like science and math are
Speaker 1: pretty clear, right, there's not room for debate there. One
Speaker 1: plus one equals two, right like water is wet, the
Speaker 1: sky is blue. We exist because of gravity, right, Like
Speaker 1: there are things that are factual. And once you had
Speaker 1: a group that decided that no, no, these scientists don't
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about, this isn't real, This isn't
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't actually happening. That was the beginning
Speaker 1: of the creation of their own reality, getting their own
Speaker 1: quote unquote scientists getting their own you know, doctors, and
Speaker 1: creating this alternative set of facts. And I think that
Speaker 1: when we look at this now and we go to
Speaker 1: Glenn Youngkin, right now we fast forward to Glenn Youngkin's
Speaker 1: campaign for governor on CRT and parental choice, right which
Speaker 1: all hearkens back to your kids, your white kids shouldn't
Speaker 1: have to go to school with these black kids. That
Speaker 1: should be your choice. There should be no mixing of
Speaker 1: the races. That should be your choice, right Like, it
Speaker 1: all hearkens back to those days, and to your point,
Speaker 1: DEI offices are being closed, people are being fired from
Speaker 1: those roles that were created really the aftermath of George
Speaker 1: Floyd and then boom, they're gone. So it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't education and the lack thereof have always been on
Speaker 1: the front lines of pushing against white supremacy because the
Speaker 1: more educated that people are, the more critical thought that
Speaker 1: you instill in them, right, the more the less likely
Speaker 1: they are to be duped, and that's what they want.
Speaker 1: And I just don't understand. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: break on through right past what it is that they are,
Speaker 1: the bullshit that they are feeding.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, right because education has been their unified front
Speaker 3: and I just always wonder, have we done enough to
Speaker 3: defend education? Right? Did we? Did we feel like? I
Speaker 3: mean a lot of people felt like, Okay, brown versus
Speaker 3: Board of Education is settled law of the land. It's
Speaker 3: it's the progress narrative where we're opening the doors of
Speaker 3: opportunity to everybody. And I do think that all those
Speaker 3: core asumptions are completely up for grabs. Like I think
Speaker 3: that if somebody like Trump or to Sant just wins,
Speaker 3: you might see something like brown versus Board of Education
Speaker 3: being thrown up for grabs. And so I just think
Speaker 3: people have been relatively late to the game of like
Speaker 3: seeing the centrality of education to all of this agenda,
Speaker 3: But what does it mean to defend education? Like what
Speaker 3: tools do we have to defend education? And I don't
Speaker 3: like ending desegregation was a unified agenda that people could
Speaker 3: agree upon, not everybody, but it became a kind of
Speaker 3: rallying cry for legal interventions for building infrastructure. What is
Speaker 3: our tool right now for defending education? When there are
Speaker 3: people all across.
Speaker 1: This I mean, in my humble opinion, and I've said this,
Speaker 1: and we've said this on this show so many times,
Speaker 1: it is people being activated at these school board hearings.
Speaker 1: It is people like understanding, regardless of whether or not
Speaker 1: you have children that may or may not be in
Speaker 1: the school system, that providing a robust and you know, critical, thoughtful, strategic,
Speaker 1: you know, innovative education benefits the whole of society, right
Speaker 1: like and creating an incompetent workforce that is not going
Speaker 1: to be globally competitive. That Rohndesson said, Oh, we need
Speaker 1: to go back to the basics, the basics of what
Speaker 1: we're battling against, fucking AI And you want to teach
Speaker 1: the basics, right, Like, the basics are not doing it
Speaker 1: because there are no basic jobs anymore because they've all
Speaker 1: been sent overseas. So I'm like, I'm confused about why
Speaker 1: people are not outraged, right, Like why there weren't thousands
Speaker 1: of people that were organized to fight back against their
Speaker 1: school boards when they were talking about, you know, reversing
Speaker 1: COVID restrictions. So you're just sending your kids into a
Speaker 1: fucking patriotish.
Speaker 3: I am like, how can we defend education? I think
Speaker 3: this is a really important question, and.
Speaker 1: You have to run for office. Yeah, yeah, how you
Speaker 1: can like parents have like parents. Parental control is the
Speaker 1: rallying point and measure for the right. Then parents who
Speaker 1: are progressive, parents who believe in freedom and liberty and
Speaker 1: justice and actually believe in democracy. Those people need to
Speaker 1: be rallied right by the school bye, by the teachers' unions,
Speaker 1: by you know, the city councils. Like that's what needs
Speaker 1: to happen. This is not like making up things out
Speaker 1: of thin air.
Speaker 3: No, No, you're exactly right, and we've been talking about
Speaker 3: it for so long. Right, we need to run for
Speaker 3: school boards. It's not just about expanding the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. It is a grassroots thing.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's possible that, like, cause I think
Speaker 3: people got we got, we got put back on our heels, right,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the debate was about pronouns and
Speaker 3: about land statements, and in a way like those became
Speaker 3: metonyms for all liberalism. All education has become too liberal
Speaker 3: because boys are dressing as girls and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And in a way we were. The fight was on,
Speaker 3: there was on their terrain. And so I guess the
Speaker 3: question it's it's a it's a question which is like,
Speaker 3: how do you reclaim education in a way that is
Speaker 3: mobilizing across the spectrum of Democrats independence, which isn't fighting
Speaker 3: about wokeism? Right. I think that what the right has
Speaker 3: been able to do is say all liberals are woke,
Speaker 3: and all everything woke is about fighting about pronouns, and
Speaker 3: it's very divisive for Democrats in a way, right, And
Speaker 3: so the issue is how can we defend education in
Speaker 3: a way that is completely unifying for Democrats? And I
Speaker 3: think the issue is, I think you're right, run for
Speaker 3: school boards, facts, truth, all that kind of stuff. We've
Speaker 3: just been put back on our heels and slow to
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 1: So I I mean the Vice President just spoke recently, right,
Speaker 1: and you know, at the dedication ceremony for Emma til
Speaker 1: and his mother, which happened recently, the President also remarked
Speaker 1: about education and learning our history and not denying it,
Speaker 1: that strong countries face all parts of their history, even
Speaker 1: the darkest ones, right, so as not to repeat them.
Speaker 1: The Vice President gave an impassioned speech and which you
Speaker 1: know had I forget who wrote it, but it's out
Speaker 1: right now, which was an article written by a Republican
Speaker 1: that said, I agree with the Vice President of the
Speaker 1: United States. Why are Republicans afraid of critical thought?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Why are they afraid of the truth? And that to
Speaker 1: me is the unifying message, right because it goes not
Speaker 1: just from the classroom, but it goes to Capitol Hill.
Speaker 1: And the denial of the election. You just had Rudy
Speaker 1: Giuliani just say finally in this deaf Nation suit that
Speaker 1: is being brought against him by by by by Shay
Speaker 1: Moss and her mother in Georgia, that oh, yes, I
Speaker 1: did lie about the election, right like that that there
Speaker 1: it is truth there, right, that I did lie and
Speaker 1: spread these lies about these women that destroyed their lives. Right,
Speaker 1: And so if we are to unify, the unified message
Speaker 1: needs to be about critical fighting for critical thought, and
Speaker 1: fighting for and fighting for truth right, and that goes
Speaker 1: that hits every single place, from climate change to the
Speaker 1: classroom to Capitol Hill in our elections.
Speaker 3: Right now, I could not agree more. And we're saying
Speaker 3: the same thing, and I'm I'm a little you know,
Speaker 3: I'm talking a little slowly. I've been up all night
Speaker 3: dealing with my own version of this, which we can
Speaker 3: talk about later, which is the NRA writing narratives about
Speaker 3: what's true about gun death and stuff like that. And
Speaker 3: so I've seen this happen in so many places, but
Speaker 3: I think it I guess the point I'm trying to
Speaker 3: make is that it's for too long. It's been like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry that those books are being banned about
Speaker 3: those people, but that doesn't really affect me, right, And
Speaker 3: I think what we need to do is, like we
Speaker 3: need a real big tent, like do this is about
Speaker 3: everybody in a certain kind of way, Like it's even
Speaker 3: for democrats and liberals. It's like, oh, those books about
Speaker 3: drants people are being taken out of our library. But
Speaker 3: you know, that's just a small subset of our thing.
Speaker 3: But in a way, what we're seeing now is that
Speaker 3: that's part of a much bigger agenda. And so how
Speaker 3: do you craft this in a way that people see,
Speaker 3: like Republicans see like, oh, I don't want like there
Speaker 3: are a lot of Jewish Republicans who don't want the
Speaker 3: narrative about the Holocaust to be the people who survived
Speaker 3: were the We're the ones who were the most resilient
Speaker 3: as opposed to just getting thrown into a gas chamber
Speaker 3: when you got off the train. And so, in a way,
Speaker 3: this is such a big national issue and it has
Speaker 3: to be framed that way, which I think the Democrats
Speaker 3: have been slow to wake up on and now are
Speaker 3: kind of realizing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that you are right.
Speaker 1: I think that the reality is is that these battles
Speaker 1: are not new, right, But we absolutely do have new technologies.
Speaker 1: You know that we're not present in the nineteen fifties
Speaker 1: and nineteen sixties when we were fighting for the integration
Speaker 1: of you know, of schools, right, and like the enforcement
Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court's decision in Brown versus the Board
Speaker 1: of Education. And I think that like what is old
Speaker 1: is new again, particularly if you're not going to teach it.
Speaker 1: But the fact is is that there are multiple ways
Speaker 1: to fight this battle. It has just to be decided
Speaker 1: that it needs to be fought right, And I think
Speaker 1: that you know, again, when we're just looking at these
Speaker 1: communities as silos that are being initially affected and not
Speaker 1: looking at the whole of how our democracy is being
Speaker 1: destroyed and education being the cornerstone, public education being the
Speaker 1: cornerstone of any democracy, like, we have to attack it
Speaker 1: in that way and not just as community by community, right,
Speaker 1: it needs to be the collective and that to me
Speaker 1: is the place that we start.
Speaker 2: Any last thoughts on this for this good.
Speaker 3: Week, I would just say keep your feet on the
Speaker 3: ground and keep reaching for the stars. Now, like it's
Speaker 3: I always try to be optimistic at the end, but
Speaker 3: I but I think that the that the lines are
Speaker 3: drawn right in a way, the lines are drawn and
Speaker 3: they're the same lines you're right, that we've been fighting
Speaker 3: on that we thought, oh we're past this, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a post racial society, or gosh, education is so liberal.
Speaker 3: I can be liberal and still read mcwerders woke racism
Speaker 3: and think let's bring this back to the center. But
Speaker 3: in a way, the agendas are so repetitive and obvious
Speaker 3: and clear that I think that again, I think we're
Speaker 3: right that the trick here, Like there was a moment
Speaker 3: in Brown versus Board where like a majority of the
Speaker 3: country and justices felt like, man, what we're doing is
Speaker 3: bad for the country, And I think that's what we
Speaker 3: need to get back to, and that is going to
Speaker 3: be the trick is going to be like that, that'll
Speaker 3: be the fight of this election, Like, how can we
Speaker 3: frame this in a way that like, man, we're fighting
Speaker 3: for the future of the country right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: As always, my friend, thank you so much for making
Speaker 1: the time to join woke f I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Until next week.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on wokay
Speaker 1: F as always, power to the people and to all
Speaker 1: the people.
Speaker 2: Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.