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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wik f Daily with

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Speaker 1: me your girl, Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.

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Speaker 1: Today I get into a conversation with our friend or

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Speaker 1: in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, about how we reframe

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Speaker 1: the conversations around education being fundamental to our democracy. It

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Speaker 1: has always been clear since the battle for integration in

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Speaker 1: our schools that schools are where Republicans point their weapons.

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Speaker 1: Why because the more that people know, the more robust

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Speaker 1: education that people have, the less ability they have to

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Speaker 1: be controlled, the more questions that they ask. So if

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Speaker 1: you go to war on critical thought, if you ban books,

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Speaker 1: if you ban thinking, if you narrow curriculum to implement

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Speaker 1: your lies, you further the cause for white supremacy. When

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Speaker 1: you have generation after generation of students believing that slavery

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Speaker 1: was a good thing, that the owning of people, the raping,

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Speaker 1: the beating, the brutalization, the ripping of babies and breaking

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Speaker 1: apart of families, the lynchings, the torture, the domestic terrorism.

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Speaker 1: When you start to look for the bright side and

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Speaker 1: all of those things and say, wow, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: they were enslaved and shackled and beaten and weren't fed,

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Speaker 1: and you know, tortured for four hundred, five hundred years.

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Speaker 1: But at least they became a woodworker, least they learned

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Speaker 1: how to be a blacksmith. When the truth of the

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Speaker 1: matter is those very people were stolen from their countries,

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Speaker 1: from their communities with them skills that they came here with.

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Speaker 1: Those white slaveholders didn't teach them a fucking thing except

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Speaker 1: how depraved parts of humanity could actually be. So Jonathan

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Speaker 1: and I in today's conversation talk about the fact that

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Speaker 1: Democrats are late to the party with regard to education,

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Speaker 1: public education being on the front lines of the battle

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Speaker 1: to save our democracy, because if we are not fighting

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Speaker 1: for robust, genuine, fact based education, then our society has

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Speaker 1: no chance for survival because what we are creating then

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Speaker 1: is generation of generation of mindless which it workers, which

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Speaker 1: is sad because guess what, we ain't got no whichet's

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Speaker 1: to work in this country because we've outsourced factories. So

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Speaker 1: you tell me the jobs that people are going to

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Speaker 1: get that allow them to be globally competitive and also,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, competitive against artificial intelligence, which in the

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Speaker 1: next five to ten years is going to replace a

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Speaker 1: lot of fucking jobs. We are creating our own destruction.

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Speaker 1: And if we don't fight for education, if we don't

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Speaker 1: fight for books, if we just look at this as

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Speaker 1: siloed issues of oh well, they're talking about black people

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Speaker 1: today and Jewish people tomorrow and trans people the next day,

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Speaker 1: if we just take it piece by piece instead of

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Speaker 1: fighting for the whole, which is the right to think.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're fighting for. It is absolutely crazy that

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Speaker 2: we are watching day by day, decision by decision, policy

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Speaker 2: pass by policy, measured pass that are denying people free thought,

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Speaker 2: bodily autonomy. Folks, we got to wake the fuck up,

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Speaker 2: and we got to wake up everybody around us. And

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Speaker 2: I keep saying it does not matter if you have

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Speaker 2: kids in the school system, because having an educated workforce

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Speaker 2: matters to all of us. So I am encouraging people

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Speaker 2: to find out about your school board elections, find out

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Speaker 2: what the fuck is happening in your school speak out, donate,

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Speaker 2: run for office. We have got to mobilize because right

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Speaker 2: now they are winning. Coming up next, my conversation with

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Speaker 2: our friend Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever we

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Speaker 2: have the opportunity each week to sit down with our

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Speaker 2: in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzil. I am always thrilled

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Speaker 2: and the conversation is always stirring, and this week I'm

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Speaker 2: sure will be no different. Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: We are living in such a crazy time. I have

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Speaker 1: no better way to disclose that. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: find that every time we sit down, you will larnt

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Speaker 1: me to something that I'm like, no way, that couldn't

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Speaker 1: it truly is happening. So, folks, what we know is

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Speaker 1: that over the last couple of weeks or last, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, the state of Florida has

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Speaker 1: once again outdone itself with their pure, unadulterated fuckery to

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Speaker 1: which is already marginalized, and to criminalize women and everyone

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Speaker 1: essentially that is not white, that is not cis, that

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Speaker 1: just took great lengths to redesign the education curriculum that

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Speaker 1: learn and believe that slavery was somehow beneficial to black people,

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Speaker 1: which is It's what I did in a video the

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Speaker 1: other day, Jonathan, which was stating that it is not

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Speaker 1: enough to oppress, right, they actually want you to be

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Speaker 1: grateful for the oppression, Like that's the place that we're in,

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Speaker 1: which is to say, oh, well, slavery wasn't necessary evil,

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Speaker 1: empty minded animals that they brought here, domesticated and gave

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Speaker 1: all of these skills to left to their own devices. Right,

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Speaker 1: who would have known what would have happened to, you know,

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Speaker 1: enslaved Africans. That's the mentality of white supremacist slaveholders and

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Speaker 1: their ancestors aka the Desantises, the Abbots, the Trumps, and

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party of the world. Now, please tell the

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Speaker 1: people how far this ideology is now going. And what

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Speaker 3: Well, the logic, I think you're exactly right is it's

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Speaker 3: kind of a three step process, right, That is that

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Speaker 3: because people don't just fall out of bed in the

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Speaker 3: morning saying I'm ready to oppress people like you have

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Speaker 3: to kind of lead them up to it by this

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Speaker 3: kind of logical scaffolding, which is what we're seeing. And

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Speaker 3: so the first part that I think is really important

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Speaker 3: is you're not the oppressor or the aggressor. You're the victim, right,

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Speaker 3: And we're seeing that happen a lot. There was a

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Speaker 3: poll that came out, I think last week that showed

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Speaker 3: that over sixty percent of white Americans think that anti

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Speaker 3: white racism is the most parnicious form of racism in

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Speaker 3: this country. So increasingly white Americans are saying, it's not

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Speaker 3: anti black racism that is the problem, it's actually we're

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Speaker 3: the victims of racism, like kind of turning the turning

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Speaker 3: the tide. So number one is that there's this logical

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Speaker 3: that do, right, It get off get you don't have

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Speaker 3: to see your own complicity. It's not like, oh, I'm

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Speaker 3: part of a system that's oppressing other people. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I'm the victim of this system. I don't have to

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Speaker 3: see my own participation. So that's part number one. And

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Speaker 3: then part number two is I'm going to find some

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Speaker 3: strong man or strong person who protects me because I'm

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Speaker 3: the victim of all this kind of stuff, which is

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Speaker 3: we're seeing with the rise of Trump and DeSantis and

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Speaker 3: this logic of not like, let's make the country better

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Speaker 3: for everybody. And then the third is historical revision that

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Speaker 3: fill in the blank, historical atrocity wasn't so bad. Why

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Speaker 3: should we be hung up on studying black history. Slavery

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Speaker 3: wasn't so bad. In fact, slaves learned marketable skills that

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Speaker 3: they later losed in the job market. Now, of course,

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Speaker 3: it's never the people who themselves, their families, their groups

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Speaker 3: people who were in the aggressor group who were saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: have much more to say. I hope we talk about

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Speaker 3: it today about where that logic comes from about slavery

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Speaker 3: wasn't so bad. But once that gets to be your logic,

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Speaker 3: it gets to ridiculous endpoints, like what happened a couple

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Speaker 3: of days ago on Fox News where a Jewish Fox

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Speaker 3: the Fox News host said, I'm Jewish, Are you going

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Speaker 3: to tell me that the Holocaust wasn't so bad? And

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Speaker 3: the Fox News people all said, yeah, there were marketable

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Speaker 3: skills that Jews who survived the Holocaust got and people

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Speaker 3: who survived the Holocaust, and they were citing Victor Frankel,

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Speaker 3: so in a way, what they're doing is just using

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Speaker 3: this and the Holocaust thing for me was like, man,

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Speaker 3: it's just like mad lips, Like you can just fill

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Speaker 3: the point where, yes, the Holocaust taught Jews marketable skills

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Speaker 2: I am just like outdone. Do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Like I get to a point I find where this

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Speaker 1: would call this, Jonathan, like one the like the system

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Speaker 1: of slavery was the biggest crime against humanity in the world, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you're talking about millions of people being raped and

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Speaker 1: tortured and brutalized and terrorized and literally treated as animals,

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Speaker 1: to deny people their humanity for hundreds and hundreds of years.

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Speaker 1: The vileness of slavery that we are still feeling the

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Speaker 1: white people are benevolent, right, and that without the institution

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Speaker 1: I mean, you talk to these people. I don't know

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Speaker 1: I don't know what where the bridge is anymore, Jonathan, Like,

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Speaker 1: I just think that it's burned to the ground. You

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Speaker 1: tell me, because I don't see how you move forward.

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Speaker 1: If we don't have a foundation one of shared values

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Speaker 1: then I don't know how society functions.

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Speaker 3: I want to give like an answer to that, which

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Speaker 3: I do think that education is at the core of

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Speaker 3: a lot of this, honestly. I mean it's not lost

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Speaker 3: revisionist history, it's wrong history, right, Like what they said

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Speaker 3: on Fox News, for example, was that Jews survived concentration

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Speaker 3: camps by being the word they use was useful, and

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Speaker 3: so you would have to like know nothing about the

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Speaker 3: Holocaust to know to not know that the Jews who

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Speaker 3: survived the Holocaust, it was just totally capricious, like there

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Speaker 3: was no everybody died basically, but the ways that they

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Speaker 3: made deals with people is like if you help push

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Speaker 3: serving the needs of the murderers, right, And so in

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Speaker 3: a way, it's it's it's it's ignorant, but it's also

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Speaker 3: a really dangerous lie. And so part of the story

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that you are right.

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Speaker 1: I think that the reality is is that these battles

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Speaker 1: are not new, right, But we absolutely do have new technologies.

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Speaker 1: You know that we're not present in the nineteen fifties

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Speaker 1: and nineteen sixties when we were fighting for the integration

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Speaker 1: of you know, of schools, right, and like the enforcement

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Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court's decision in Brown versus the Board

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Speaker 1: of Education. And I think that like what is old

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Speaker 1: is new again, particularly if you're not going to teach it.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is is that there are multiple ways

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Speaker 1: to fight this battle. It has just to be decided

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Speaker 1: that it needs to be fought right, And I think

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Speaker 1: that you know, again, when we're just looking at these

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Speaker 1: communities as silos that are being initially affected and not

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Speaker 1: looking at the whole of how our democracy is being

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Speaker 1: destroyed and education being the cornerstone, public education being the

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Speaker 1: cornerstone of any democracy, like, we have to attack it

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Speaker 1: in that way and not just as community by community, right,

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Speaker 1: it needs to be the collective and that to me

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Speaker 1: is the place that we start.

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Speaker 2: Any last thoughts on this for this good.

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Speaker 3: Week, I would just say keep your feet on the

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Speaker 3: ground and keep reaching for the stars. Now, like it's

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Speaker 3: I always try to be optimistic at the end, but

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Speaker 3: I but I think that the that the lines are

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Speaker 3: drawn right in a way, the lines are drawn and

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Speaker 3: they're the same lines you're right, that we've been fighting

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Speaker 3: on that we thought, oh we're past this, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a post racial society, or gosh, education is so liberal.

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Speaker 3: I can be liberal and still read mcwerders woke racism

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Speaker 3: and think let's bring this back to the center. But

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Speaker 3: in a way, the agendas are so repetitive and obvious

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Speaker 3: and clear that I think that again, I think we're

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Speaker 3: right that the trick here, Like there was a moment

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Speaker 3: in Brown versus Board where like a majority of the

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Speaker 3: country and justices felt like, man, what we're doing is

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Speaker 3: bad for the country, And I think that's what we

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Speaker 3: need to get back to, and that is going to

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Speaker 3: be the trick is going to be like that, that'll

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Speaker 3: be the fight of this election, Like, how can we

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Speaker 3: frame this in a way that like, man, we're fighting

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Speaker 3: for the future of the country right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: As always, my friend, thank you so much for making

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Speaker 1: the time to join woke f I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Until next week.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on wokay

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Speaker 1: F as always, power to the people and to all

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Speaker 1: the people.

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Speaker 2: Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.