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Speaker 1: You've been talking about spring a whole lot. Everyone up

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Speaker 1: it going to exist in its classic form? Whatever the

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Speaker 1: idealistic spring used to be, that's long gone. The romantic

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Speaker 1: spring of college football is long gone. So what actually

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Speaker 1: makes sense in twenty twenty five for Nebraska?

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Speaker 2: You know, I think we're working through that. You know,

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Speaker 2: a couple of key things happened. I think last year

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Speaker 2: I saw some teams that were pretty successful, you know,

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Speaker 2: Ole Miss kind of go away from their spring game.

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Speaker 3: We had our spring game and it was highly televised.

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Speaker 2: It was played on repeat, over and over and over again.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the portal I had guys getting

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Speaker 2: wasn't based on what they had done in the fall.

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Speaker 2: And you know, so I said to myself, like, what's

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Speaker 2: what's the point of giving away information? I learned a

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Speaker 2: long time ago. Really, I learned from Al Golden when

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Speaker 2: I was as assistant for Emma Temple. You know, we're

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Speaker 2: information gathers. You know, we're not giving away information. And

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Speaker 2: so to put a game on TV while it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's fun While it's something that as a player at

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Speaker 2: Penn State I loved, I'm giving away a lot of

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Speaker 2: information that's proprietary and new coordinators, you know why.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know why I would do it.

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Speaker 2: And on the flip side, you know, we're paying these

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Speaker 2: be physical. But there's something additional about a spring game,

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Speaker 2: and so we've gone back and forth on it.

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Speaker 3: So we'll do something to celebrate.

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Speaker 2: The team will do something to celebrate, you know, the university,

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Speaker 2: something to bring people together, but it will not be

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Speaker 2: what it has been.

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Speaker 1: What's crazy about your job, among many things, is there's

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Speaker 1: really no redundancy to it. There's no formulaic check in,

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Speaker 1: that we did in February of nineteen ninety seven. And

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Speaker 1: certain jobs out there, people are blessed enough to just

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Speaker 1: be able to go by a rubric. Yours is evolving

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Speaker 1: like thirty percent every year. But yet you're also not

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Speaker 1: thirty six or forty eight months. How do you how

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Speaker 2: I think it's really two things. I think studying who's

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Speaker 2: most successful. You look at Nick Saban, how successful he

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Speaker 2: was over so many years, with the willingness to change,

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Speaker 2: And so I think that happened to me this year.

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Speaker 2: You know, we got to the end of the season.

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Speaker 2: You know, we accomplished some things that haven't been accomplished

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Speaker 2: Some guys left, some coaches left, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: And so we attacked and maybe in ways that three

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Speaker 2: But I think it's studying people like that. But also

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Speaker 2: you know what, this levels the playing field because everyone's

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Speaker 2: This is this is like, hey, who can figure out

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you said this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So there's this common talking point out there that

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Speaker 1: at both levels. You just said, it's not really like

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Speaker 2: Game night and day, and I mean, as you said,

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Speaker 2: then if everything gets leveled, it still comes down to recruiting.

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Speaker 2: It still comes down to the player saying, Hey, what's

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Speaker 2: You know the days of teams loading up and having

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Speaker 2: the best programs have the most depth, But now teams

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's not as good a program.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's not as good a league, but come be

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Speaker 2: not many kids. Some kids will, but not many kids

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Speaker 1: There's the betterment for the player individually, there's what's best

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Speaker 1: Then there's what's best for college football. I've found in

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Speaker 1: That's great for that player that you just got that money.

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Speaker 1: not good for me because I just lost my championship

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Speaker 1: caliber depth. But I think there's a person I like

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Speaker 4: And then there are two schools of thought.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think when it comes to the market, let

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Speaker 2: Like the desperate teams, they now have some resources maybe

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Speaker 2: be relevant in collegeoble I don't know that you can

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Speaker 3: I'll be quite honest.

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Speaker 2: at the end of the year I was proven right

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Speaker 2: because you know, we played a Big twelve team, a

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Speaker 2: excellent football team.

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Speaker 3: I watched a lot of other.

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Speaker 2: Teams that the SEC and the Big Ten are by

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Speaker 2: far the best leagues, I mean, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: not just hey, if you give me the money, I'll

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Speaker 3: They're from the ACC but wherever they are.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see those teams kind of all come

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Speaker 2: Hey, the American Athletic Commerce Chamber should get into the

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Speaker 2: Indiana played really tough, physical teams and they said, well,

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Close losses usually mean hey, we're just not as good

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Speaker 2: go to a bowl game in nine years, and actually

439
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,640
Speaker 2: then we're going on and winning it, having the first

440
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Speaker 2: winning record in a long time. We're not going to

441
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,960
Speaker 2: apologize for I mean, we beat Wisconsin and we won this.

442
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,720
Speaker 2: The statue, the trophy, and it's it's in our office

443
00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,160
Speaker 2: and it says for twelve straight years. It says Wisconsin

444
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,600
Speaker 2: there's not one time it's Nebraska, and so you know,

445
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,800
Speaker 2: we're not gonna apologize for what we did, but we

446
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,040
Speaker 2: also recognize that we've got to we've got to we've

447
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,320
Speaker 2: got to be in the commune. We had to come

448
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,639
Speaker 2: to Nebraska to not be in the playoff conversation. I

449
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 2: do hope that people recognize that there's some leagues where, like,

450
00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,439
Speaker 2: you know what, you have to beat one or two,

451
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 2: you have to be one or two teams, and you're

452
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 2: probably gonna be in the conversation, you know, in the

453
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,600
Speaker 2: Big Ten. I don't know, is Michigan gonna be in

454
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,200
Speaker 2: it next year, Probably gonna get the house, stay, gonna

455
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,960
Speaker 2: be in the conversation, probably with Penn Steake, gonna be

456
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 2: in it, probably Iowa, probably usc probably.

457
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:33,119
Speaker 3: Washington, Oregon.

458
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of teams you can make a

459
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,879
Speaker 2: case that they're going to be in the college football

460
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,439
Speaker 2: playoff race down the stretch. And so there's a lot

461
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 2: of work to do in our league. So yeah, we're

462
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,439
Speaker 2: proud of what we did. It's a good first step.

463
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,680
Speaker 2: You look in my history, it's always a year, three,

464
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 2: year four that we're successful.

465
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Speaker 3: So I'm not really you know, hey, come and win

466
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:50,919
Speaker 3: right away type of a guy.

467
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,360
Speaker 2: I'm kind of build it this way, and I think

468
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,640
Speaker 2: we were building it that way though.

469
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Speaker 1: Champions leave clues all the time. Winners leave clues all

470
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Speaker 1: the time. So we just watched Ohio State do something

471
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 1: thing they probably wouldn't even had the opportunity to do

472
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,400
Speaker 1: in previous iterations of the sport. Now you expand the playoff,

473
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 1: they lose a couple of games, but they get in

474
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 1: red hot, just play to their potential, really, and they

475
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 1: win the whole thing. It struck me as we entered

476
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 1: January and there were still twenty days to go in

477
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 1: the season, how long this thing was, how drawn out

478
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Speaker 1: it was. And I remember talking to a couple of

479
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Speaker 1: coaches who weren't in the playoff, and I kept saying,

480
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 1: are you prepared for how long this thing is? Because

481
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 1: mentally and physically it's like.

482
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 4: A whole second season.

483
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Speaker 1: And I've got to imagine, I mean that's not lost

484
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Speaker 1: on someone like you, but how do you get your

485
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 1: organization ready to know that if we get where we

486
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Speaker 1: want to go, you are adding another month and a

487
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,719
Speaker 1: half to two months basically mentally and physically on your body.

488
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 1: That's staff, that's players, that's everyone strength and conditioning and nutrition.

489
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Speaker 4: How do you get folks ready for that?

490
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I remember down the stretch in the playoffs,

491
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 2: like having someone on my staff every single day. Pull

492
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: practice clip from Instagram, Twitter YouTube of each team. Are

493
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 2: they in pads? Are they not in pats? You know

494
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: a lot of them were in pads. A lot of

495
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: them were still practicing like it was you know, like

496
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: it was, hey, we got to go win this week,

497
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 2: but trying to ascertain anything I could. You know, I

498
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 2: think a big part of this it was a double

499
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 2: by year two. You know, I worked with Ryan Day.

500
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: Him and I were assistant coaches under Al Golden years ago,

501
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: and I haven't talked to him about this or anything,

502
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: but you know, knowing Ryan, just watching you know, watching

503
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: what he went through this year. It's almost like the

504
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 2: loss to Michigan and the ensuing you know, whatever the

505
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: word would be, that came after all of them and

506
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 2: almost like it reinvigorated them and galvanized them. And so

507
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 2: maybe that's kind of what they needed, you know, maybe

508
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 2: that's what got them to hit a run. I think

509
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna need tremendous leadership by guys in the locker

510
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: room to just keep staying focused and finding a way

511
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 2: to get in the tournament. When I was in the NFL,

512
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: the veteran coach would always tell me, he just get

513
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: in the tournament. Once we get in the tournament, who

514
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 2: knows what can happen. I'll be interested to see next year.

515
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: You know, are they gonna are they gonna continue the

516
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 2: home games or are Theynna do two rounds of home games?

517
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 2: Like to think you get a vibe, but then you

518
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: don't get to play at home. I mean, that makes

519
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: no sense. You watch that, you watch the NFL playoffs,

520
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,959
Speaker 2: and and when we recruit kids from Texas and Georgia

521
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: and Florida and they come up and they enroll in

522
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 2: the for the first week of spring and it's twenty

523
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: two degrees. The best thing that always happens on that

524
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: Sunday is there's an NFL playoff game, and it's usually

525
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 2: the Chiefs of the Bills, and I say, hey, look

526
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: at that, guys, we're just getting ready for the league. Well,

527
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: but I want those playoff games to happen.

528
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 3: In that weather. I want the I want I want.

529
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Speaker 2: The benefit of of of you know, hey, you win

530
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: and the games down the stretch in the regular season

531
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 2: matter more if you're fighting for buys but also fighting

532
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 2: for home games and those home games are in the weather,

533
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: and then let the rounds after that be be the

534
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: bowl game. So I think it's a study of everything.

535
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: People are gonna try to say less is more, but

536
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to get into those It's hard to

537
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: get into those games, and so if you're a plays

538
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: like in Nebraska, we can't think about anything else other than, hey,

539
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 2: winning this week to get us one more week closer

540
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: to getting into the CFP. And so once we get there,

541
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: then we have to hopefully have a team that has

542
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: the leadership and the resiliency to galvanize the way Oh

543
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: how State did and go on a run, and then

544
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: you go back to win tough games and winning moments.

545
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean, Arizona State's one fourth and nine away from

546
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: you know, touchdown pass away from beating Texas, Texas's first

547
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: and goal away from you know that game. So, I mean,

548
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: there's so many little things that happened. I watched it

549
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: as a college football fan because I haven't done my

550
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 2: job well enough yet, But I plan on being there

551
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: soon with the guys that I have I believe in them.

552
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: What were some of the people, some of the things,

553
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: games programs that made you take special notice this past

554
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: year and made you go, oh wow, it made you

555
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: send some text out love what you did.

556
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 4: What was this big admirer of what you did?

557
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: Because you're kind of in the bunker, but you're a

558
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: big fan of the sport, so you also see a

559
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff.

560
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say number one Indiana, you know, and

561
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: I know coach Signetti obviously came out, was very outspoken,

562
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: but when you're around them, he's a very charismatic, excuse me,

563
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: a gregarious guy. And obviously I knew his father. I'm

564
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: a Pennsylvania guy, you know. Coaching nady at I up

565
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: and you know then obviously both Curt and Frank a

566
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: lot of respect for them. But his players played with belief.

567
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: His players play with confidence. His players played with you know, charisma,

568
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 2: and they had a defensive tackle number ninety nine, And

569
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: I remember we were undersized guy, high effort guy. He

570
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: come from James Madison And when we played them, I

571
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: was like getting ready for it. I kept talking about

572
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: him like this guy's what I love in a football player.

573
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: And then we played him he got after us, and

574
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: so you know, getting away from the well, this guy's

575
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: you got this potential, and you know, I want to

576
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 2: see professionalism and production, not just potential. I think I

577
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: respected the way that he did that, the way he

578
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 2: got the quarterback to play. I respected what watched a

579
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: lot of what Brent Key did at Georgia Tech this

580
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: year and Haines King, who's a kid I've known, you know,

581
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: offered him when I was a Baylor, you know, finding

582
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 2: a way to win each in every game. I don't

583
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: think you can talk about college football this year without

584
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: talking about Nny Dillingham and what they did at Arizona

585
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: State picked last win first, and when you listen to him,

586
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: I don't. I've never even met Kenny, but there's this

587
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: unique combination of like confidence and humility all in one

588
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: that I find really really cool.

589
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: I look forward to meeting them someday.

590
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: But I think it was probably those teams that that

591
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: I really watched and really really marred. I always have

592
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: to say Fran Brown, you know, friend was my assistant

593
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: for a long time, and Jeff Nixon was my OC

594
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: and what they did with Kyle McCord and then had

595
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: tough loss here and then overcame it. You know, I'm

596
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: really proud of them. So I think those are people

597
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: I really respected what they.

598
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: Did this year.

599
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Speaker 1: How quickly when you're putting the staff together, can you

600
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: tell that they are a guys sitting around the.

601
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: Table who are one day going to be head coaches?

602
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's when.

603
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of ads ask me that over

604
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: the years, and I always say, I feel like I

605
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: see them. I feel like other people don't, you know,

606
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: you think about it. There's two there's two assistant coaches

607
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 2: of mine, former assistant coaches of mine that are head

608
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: coaches in college football, Joey McGuire Texas Tech and Fran

609
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: Brown at Syracuse. And neither one of them ever was

610
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 2: a play calling coordinator. But they're leaders. They're leaders of men,

611
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: and they know how to put together a roster. I'd

612
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: say that in today's football, what's more important the ability

613
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: to put together a roster and develop talent or being

614
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: a great play caller. I can hire a great play caller. Yeah,

615
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: I want the guys out there making plays. And so,

616
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people would never consider I mean,

617
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: I remember pushing Fran for jobs at Temple and other places,

618
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: and you know people wouldn't really consider I remember pushing

619
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: Joey for some jobs, and I've had others like that.

620
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: You know, Elijah Robinson who's with Fran at Syracuse, always

621
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: thought great, Jeff Nixon who was with him at Syracuse,

622
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: and you know, I had Friz Jackson always thought would

623
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: be a great head coach. Phil snow was thought. So

624
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: I've had all these other guys I thought had that skill.

625
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: But I think sometimes we think that to be a

626
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: head coach you have to be a play caller.

627
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 3: I don't.

628
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: My day starts and ends with everything else other than hey,

629
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: what are we gonna call him third down? And I

630
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: have to be a leader in that area, have to

631
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: walk in and talk about it and people and talk

632
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: about how we're gonna win this game. And you know,

633
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: I have to be involved in the exs and o's

634
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: to a degree. But at my job is so much

635
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: more than that. It's putting together a program that's sustainable.

636
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: And so I always feel like I have guys I say, hey,

637
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: this guy could be this guy could be something really special.

638
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: There's a guy that there's a guy. That guy named

639
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: the offensive coordator.

640
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: Twenty eight years old, the Jacksonville Jaguars guy named Grant Udinsky.

641
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: Grant came out to visit us at Baylor, sleeping in

642
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: his car at the Walmart parking lot and visiting us

643
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: during the day. Phil Snow took him into his house.

644
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: We ended up just hiring him because we felt like, well,

645
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: if the guy's sleeping in his car, he must really

646
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: want to do it. Came with us to Carolina, Carolina,

647
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: you know. Eventually he went on to Minnesota work for

648
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell. Now he's the OC at Jacksonville. When he

649
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: was sleeping in his car, you know, that to me

650
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: was the same as me driving eleven hours with my wife,

651
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: with my wife and two dogs and a cat ask

652
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: al Golden to hire me at Temple.

653
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 3: There's something special about people who have that, and Grant

654
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 3: had that.

655
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: So I'm not surprised that he's the I'm not surprised

656
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 2: he's the OC in Jacksonville, and I won't be surprised

657
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: me he's the head coach. But none of them has

658
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 2: to do with play calling. It has to do with

659
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: that inner leadership and drive. So it's a long answer.

660
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I'm passionate about it because I think

661
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: that's where people get it wrong. Like when you watch

662
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: the teams that won this year, like that that Dellahouse

663
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: State team, they rallied around Ryan, they fought for him.

664
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: Last year's Michigan team rallied around Jim.

665
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 3: They fought for Jim.

666
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: And so to me, you know, that's my job, make

667
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: the team rally around me when they need to and

668
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: fight for me, and me to do the same for them.

669
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: Do you think sometimes people in hiring positions misunderstand the

670
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: respect factor in the building, Ie, they look at someone

671
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: who hasn't called plays before, and.

672
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 4: Even if they're convinced, I think he could be a

673
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 4: good head coach.

674
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: The follow up is, but I'm concerned the guys on

675
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: the staff, the guys in the building won't respect someone

676
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: who's never called plays before, which you're telling me is

677
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: a gross mischaracterization.

678
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 4: Of how a functional building actually operates.

679
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: But yet the folks in the hiring positions maybe don't

680
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: always see it that way.

681
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

682
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: I think it's also I think so much of football

683
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: we think is play calling, you know, like so, but

684
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: really when you get down in the weeds, right, especially

685
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: in the NFL, but in college too, which you know,

686
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: as rosters shift around, if my right guard can't block

687
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: that three technique, It's really not about what the best

688
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: play is on the whiteboard.

689
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: It's really about, hey, how are we going to manage

690
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: that three technique? You know, Josh?

691
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: When I walk in every week we're playing somebody, the

692
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: first thing I do is I put on their defense

693
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: and I just try to identify any.

694
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: Player that can wreck the game or anything that they

695
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: do that can wreck the.

696
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: Game, whether it's a special blitz they have, and then

697
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, we have to attack that. And then

698
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: I go over the offense and I look and see,

699
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 2: you know, a, is there a special player they have

700
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: that we have to take away in some regard or

701
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: as usually college football, is there a run game just

702
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: so tough we have to defend it. It's so much

703
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: more about the players, and it's so much more about

704
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: the matchups and who's successful who's not. That the play calling, Yeah,

705
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 2: when you have better players, you can call a lot

706
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: of really good plays.

707
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: To me, I want to know who finds a way

708
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 3: to win consistently.

709
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 2: And that that is an ability kind of going back

710
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: to what I said earlier about attacking, you know, the

711
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: New World of college football. Who's versatile, who's flexible with

712
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: their brain, who can who can adjust to the things

713
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: that have happened, who can adjust like played Chip Kelly

714
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: such a great you know, such a great offensive coordinator.

715
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, give him a quarter whatever quarterback you give.

716
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: Him, he's probably gonna find a way to score points,

717
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: right Like, I mean, he did it certain ways that

718
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: UCLA does it different ways in Ohio State. They grew

719
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: and morphed in Ohio State throughout the course of the year.

720
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: That's that's coaching. And so I just think we overemphasize

721
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: just the way it looks. I think we do that

722
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: with the playoff committee. You know, just show me a

723
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: team that wins, and show me a.

724
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: Coach who figures out how to win with whoever he has.

725
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: The scholarship numbers are changing in the sport, and there's

726
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: this interesting time coming up where you may have to

727
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: tell guys who you previously would have had room for,

728
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: we don't have a spot for you. Which is a

729
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: conversation I've listened to a number of coaches talk about,

730
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: it's not comfortable, it's not easy.

731
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 4: What is your philosophy on that is it?

732
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: Let me get as ahead of it as I possibly

733
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: can and let a guy know exactly where he stands

734
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: and then he can make the decision himself. Or do

735
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: you wait as late in the game as you can

736
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: and they just have the really difficult conversation.

737
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: No.

738
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: I did it after the Iowa game, before the when

739
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: the portal opened. The week before the portal opened, we

740
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 2: met with every player and told them, you know, if

741
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: we were play today, where you would be. I told

742
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: a lot of young men, hey, if we if we

743
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: played right now, you would not be in the one five.

744
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: I mean, if you know, went ahead to next year.

745
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: Then then with other guys, I said, hey, you're competing

746
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: to be in the one o five. Well, other guys,

747
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: I said, you know, hey, you're you're a backup.

748
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: You're compete.

749
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: You know.

750
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to be completely transparent with every player as possible.

751
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: It's one of the hardest things I've done.

752
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: And you know, we had a lot of guys going

753
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: the portal as a result, which I didn't want for

754
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: their sake. You know, they had been through all this

755
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: and they didn't even get a chance to go to

756
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: the Bull game. Let me enjoy the Bowl game. Not

757
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: because I said if you went to the you know,

758
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: they still could of gone the bowl game. But you know,

759
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: for so many of them, it's like, Coach, I gotta

760
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: find a spot, I gotta start going on visits, I

761
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: gotta do this.

762
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: So it was really, really hard.

763
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: And I heard some coaches say like, which as are

764
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: you know, other sayings the death of the walk ons.

765
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: Really they're just trying to take not at Nebraska. You know,

766
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: I was a walk on. My strength. Coach was a

767
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: walk on.

768
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: I believe in guys on the team who were on

769
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: the team for no other reason other than they love

770
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: the game or they love being a Husker. I had

771
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: young men who I said, hey, you're not gonna make

772
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: the one five, and they said, Coach, my whole life,

773
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: I've dreamed of be in on this football team. You know,

774
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: my dad was on this football team. I'll be here

775
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: until the last day you tell me, I gotta go.

776
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: And so.

777
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: But I believe in putting putting that back on the

778
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: player so they can make the best decision for themselves.

779
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: But I don't like it. I don't think it's right.

780
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: I think I think rev share is great, you know,

781
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: but on a team of one hundred and five guys.

782
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: How many guys areally gonna get money thirty forty, fifty sixty.

783
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: Every team will probably do it a little differently.

784
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: There are still gonna be a lot of young people

785
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: that are there for nothing else other than just to

786
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 2: play the game. And so in this world, I wouldn't

787
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: have been a Penn State football player. I wouldn't have

788
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: been able to say that I learn from Joe pattern know.

789
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been able to say that, Hey, you

790
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: know what, I went from not making a team my

791
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: first year to playing in pretty much every game. I

792
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: think maybe I missed one in my last two years

793
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: there that those are accomplishments in my life that have

794
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: put me in this chair. And so I don't like it.

795
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: I get it, but it wasn't something decided upon by administrators.

796
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: It was decided upon by lawyers to mitigate risk. And

797
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: so that's something I can't really speak on. But I

798
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: don't like it. But we did try to get ahead

799
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: of it, and we gave every player. And I've had

800
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: some guys who, you know, they left us and they

801
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: found a scholarship at a smaller level. They went down

802
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: and hey, maybe they're going to play more. But it

803
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: just didn't feel right to wait. But we'll still be

804
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: over one hundred and five and guys will compete and

805
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: we'll see how it plays out.

806
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: You talked a little while ago about some things you

807
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: do now or that you believe in now. Are you

808
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: put in practice now that you would never have thought

809
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: you would have been doing even three years ago? To

810
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: some extent, you're always evolving. I think this period of

811
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: time has maybe scaled that up a little.

812
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 4: Bit more rapidly than at any other point.

813
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: And a college football's career or college football coach's career,

814
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: what are some of the specifics that you have to

815
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: do or are a way you have to think now

816
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: that twenty twenty, twenty fifteen you would have seen a

817
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: glimpse into the future and said, there's no way that's real.

818
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: There's no way this is ever going to be me.

819
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: I'd say the biggest thing is the portal.

820
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: I I love the process of watching a young man

821
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: come in in eighteen, go through the highs and lows

822
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: the journey of their life, and leave at twenty two.

823
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: I love telling parents like when I return them to you,

824
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: he'll be the best version of an adult that he

825
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: can possibly be, and I think for you to be

826
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: the most successful in life, unique consistency, not the consistency

827
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: of playing, but like the same strength coach, the same nutritionist,

828
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: the same academic program.

829
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: That I believe in that.

830
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: And when I got fired in Carolina, you know, for

831
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: a lot of my former players at Temple and Baylor

832
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: was like I had died, Like they eulogized me, like

833
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: they took the time to send these texts to me.

834
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: That then a lot like, hey, coach, this is what

835
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: you've done in my life. And so I have a

836
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: mission to win games and win championships and all these things.

837
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: But I truly believe we have a purpose as coaches

838
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: that players will someday say, you know what, my life

839
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: is better because I played for coach rule because I

840
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: played for coach know, because I played for whomever you

841
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: played for. And that purpose, to me is what fulfills me.

842
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: So I never wanted to have a player come in

843
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: after two years but replace them with someone else. I

844
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: have is for one year. I never wanted to do that.

845
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 2: It's why it's always taking me three years. Because I've

846
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: played the young guys the second year they fight me

847
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 2: on everything. Why isn't this working? And then the third

848
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: year they kind of all buy in. We win the

849
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: fourth year and then it takes off. Well, this year's

850
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: some of those kids that second year players. Why don't

851
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: I have to go to class? You know my friends

852
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: selling so they don't really go to class. Why don't

853
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: we have to hit all the time. But then when

854
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 2: the year ended, they left because they can now leave,

855
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: and I wish they would have stuck around so they

856
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: could have seen, Hey, this is what happens in life

857
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: when you work. So I had to go replace them

858
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: in the portal, and I had to get aggressive in

859
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: the portal. But what I found there's always two sides

860
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: to everything. What I found is ei there were a

861
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: lot of guys who did stay and I can't wait

862
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: to coach them. But what I did found, too is

863
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys that came in from Georgia

864
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: Southern or from East Tennessee State and say, wait a minute,

865
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm coach.

866
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 3: I get twenty one meals a week.

867
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: In the cafeteria here, you mean to tell me I

868
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: can have a professional chef will make my food to order.

869
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: And instead of me having the guy who was complaining, like,

870
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: how coach, why do I have to eat meals all

871
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: the time, like my friend is sown and so they

872
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: only have to do meal five days a week.

873
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 3: I replaced that guy with this guy.

874
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: So I loved coaching these guys and watching them grow up.

875
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: So some day I can see Dion Dawkins as a

876
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 2: star in Buffalo and this amazing personality and remember about

877
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: the time I threw him out of this or threw

878
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: him out of that, And you know, I love that

879
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: part of it, but.

880
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: I did have to adapt.

881
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: And I think the second thing for me is, you know,

882
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: I've had conversations with parents this year and there's there's

883
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: sons a receiver and he's down on the depth chart,

884
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: and hey, coach, should I leave? And he goes to

885
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: thinking about taking him somewhere. And whereas before I say no,

886
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: he should stay, he should work through, you should fight,

887
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 2: you should battle. Now I'm like, you know what, maybe

888
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: it isn't your best interest to go to SCS school

889
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: and catch a hunter balls.

890
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: Maybe then someone will give you.

891
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: A hundred grand to come play for them, Like, you know,

892
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: getting on the field and playing might be the best

893
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: thing for your son. So you know, I didn't really

894
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: want to run people off I've never wanted to be

895
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: a catch and release football team.

896
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: I like the development portion.

897
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: But I've had to adapt to this new world what

898
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: it has allowed me to do. Though, Josh is look

899
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: at players and say, who am I allowing in this

900
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: locker room? And the best thing, that best compliment I

901
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: got this year from one of our players just this

902
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: past week, said he texted me, said, Coach, you did

903
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: a really good job. You guys did a really good

904
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: job of bringing in guys that fit into the locker room,

905
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: to which I then responded, now you have to do

906
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: a good job of making sure the locker room, make

907
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: sure that everyone fits into it too. But so that's

908
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: probably more it, right, just the non traditional model versus

909
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: this model.

910
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: The money, all those things, those things don't affect me.

911
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: They don't bother me.

912
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: You know, I pay my defensive coordinator a lot more

913
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: than my GA, yet they work the same amount of

914
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: hours to same standard. And so I tell our players that, hey,

915
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: you're all going to get different things. You know, comparison

916
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: is to the thief of joy while just work, worry

917
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: about being great, and.

918
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: The money will come. And I say that to my

919
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: coaches as well.

920
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 4: Have you changed the way you.

921
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, deal with media from a press conference

922
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: to how much it affects you or how much you

923
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: block it all out. Has that evolved because there's there's

924
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: more people who talk about Nebraska football today with how

925
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: the Internet has evolved and how YouTube and streaming has

926
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: evolved than ever before. So there's more noise than there's

927
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: ever been before. Yet you still got the same job

928
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: to do what you've always had to do.

929
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

930
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is, you know, the season hits.

931
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: I turn off Instagram, I turn off Twitter, I turn

932
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: off everything. I get rid of it because I've seen

933
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: over the years the impact that has on people as coaches.

934
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: I love my mom My mom sometimes she resolved it

935
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: like she'll say, I stop reading that.

936
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: Then she'll say, well, I don't listen to it.

937
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: I try to tell every parent hearing it is the

938
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: same as listening to it. It's it's toxic, and it's

939
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: it's the way people money. It's at the mona. You

940
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: don't make a lot of money. I mean you can,

941
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: you don't make a lot of money going on there

942
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: and just saying all the positive things, right, Yeah, you

943
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: need to take and so I get that It's like

944
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: me and the barbershop arguing about you know who's better,

945
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, Kobe or Lebron or you know what I mean.

946
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: Like that's just part of life, right, Like we're all

947
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: wired that way. But I I just after everything that

948
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: I went through in Carolina, I mean, I took heat

949
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: for things that like I didn't even do. I'm the

950
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: perfect person to come to Nebraska with this media market

951
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: because nothing can ever affect me. Like till you stood

952
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: in a field and had fifty five thousand people chant

953
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: to fire you in front of your wife.

954
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: And kids, you haven't lived. And I'll never forget my

955
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: son Bryant.

956
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: You know, he was young, he was in high school.

957
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: He's a sophomore, and all that's happened in junior and

958
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: he's kind of tearing up. Maybe one day he made

959
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: tearing up, but kind of emotional.

960
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: I'd to remind him.

961
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: I said, hey, you know, buddy, when you were little

962
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: and I was an assistant at Temple, I took you

963
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: to an Eagles game and we sat up in the

964
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: stands of Andy Read's last second to last year and

965
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: about the entire Citizens Bank Park or Egle, what do

966
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: they call Lincoln Financial Field was chanting to fire Andy,

967
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: and you started going fire. I said, no, no, no way

968
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: doing that. I said, now, look at coach reading now,

969
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: Like look at coach reading now. So I've been through

970
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: all these things in my life. I worry about my

971
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: players because when things are good, they retweet it, they

972
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: repost it, they like it, they post it.

973
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 3: And when things are bad, man, it affects them so much.

974
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: And so but that's the job, now, Like that's the job.

975
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: You have to realize.

976
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: I listened to Deon Sanders talk about it a lot,

977
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: like how forward he is with it because we're I'm

978
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: more of like a stoic. Hey don't listen to it all.

979
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: He kind of handles it differently. So I'm just always

980
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: trying to find the best way. But I love the

981
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: fact that people care about Nebraska. I will probably if

982
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: I do hear something I do get defensive of my coaches,

983
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: you know, because I know how hard they work, and

984
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 2: I think I think we live in a world now

985
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: where everything is always the coach's fault, and I think

986
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: sometimes our players like they need to take responsibility, like,

987
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: you know what, the players were good when the players

988
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: work good, And so I sometimes want our players, like, hey,

989
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: don't don't let all this criticism at this coach a

990
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: be a crutch for you, Like, let's all.

991
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 3: Come in this building and take responsibility together.

992
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of unique things there, especially in Nebraska,

993
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: because there's again so much coverage, so much former player coverage.

994
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: So you have all these guys that our players grew

995
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: up admiring and then all of a sudden they're crushing

996
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: them or they're cheering for them. And I talked to

997
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: those former players and they're always like, hey, coach, you know,

998
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: it's part of it.

999
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: And I say, I'm with you.

1000
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: But it wasn't quite like this when we were playing, right.

1001
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: It's a lot different now where your phone's blowing up

1002
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: where you get a PFF grade after a game and

1003
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: you don't even know, you know, someone's telling you how

1004
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: you play.

1005
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: And so but it's the new world and it's us,

1006
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: you know. And what if the money gets out? What

1007
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 3: if people start.

1008
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: Finding out your regis share number, Like wait, Josh Pate

1009
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: greg he graded out at a fifty three percent based

1010
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: upon this metric over here, but he's.

1011
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: Making five hundred grand. It'll get crazy.

1012
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: So I'm just always trying to be ahead of it

1013
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: as best I can. And I think the one thing

1014
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: for me as a head coach is I try to

1015
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: stand up there, and you know, I think a leader

1016
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: should take bullets, should take arrows, should stand in front

1017
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: of When I got fired in Carolina, I talked to

1018
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: the team afterwards and I told them, I said, I

1019
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: think if I guys, I know this hasn't worked out,

1020
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: but if there's one thing I hope that I've always done,

1021
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: I've tried to demonstrate what leadership is.

1022
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 3: I've always tried to demonstrate.

1023
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: That, Like you know, real leaders stand out front and

1024
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: they take bullets for the guys they care about. I said, So,

1025
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I couldn't do more, but I hope if

1026
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: I did anything, I did that. So when I came

1027
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: to Nebraska, I was like, you got to stand out front, man,

1028
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: and you got to be front and center. And I

1029
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: think we have a lot of people in our media

1030
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: market that are really, really fair and we haven't played

1031
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 2: good enough to get.

1032
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 3: A lot of accolade yet.

1033
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: But it's definitely like this is the job. Going back

1034
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: to I said earlier, like to play calling. That's a

1035
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: big part of the job, but so is helping the

1036
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: psyche of these eighteen to twenty two year old guys

1037
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: like I got money, I got this, I got that.

1038
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: It's a lot to it, all.

1039
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: Right, I'm want to pitch you a concept here. You

1040
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: don't have time to do what I'm about to say. Okay,

1041
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: so this is purely conceptual. But I always thought if

1042
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 1: I were a head coach, I'd block it all out.

1043
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 4: During the season. I'd get to February.

1044
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: Or maybe post spring, the week where I would normally

1045
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: go on vacation. I would love to have two chairs

1046
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: like we have right now, and I'm sitting in one

1047
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: of them, and I line about ten people up, just

1048
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: fans who trashed me publicly all year. They don't get

1049
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: to they don't get to have the group think, they

1050
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: don't get to sink back in anonymity. I'm going to

1051
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: be respectful of them. I'm going to walk them into

1052
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: the room one by one.

1053
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 4: They get to sit here.

1054
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: Greg turns the lights on, he turns three cameras on,

1055
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: and I just say, sir, air your grievances. And he

1056
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: probably becomes very cordial at that point because the lights

1057
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: are on. But even if he doesn't, I will just

1058
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: intellectually I'll be able to explain everything he's got a

1059
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: beef with. I'll be able to explain how play calling

1060
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: actually worked. I'll be able to explain what he didn't

1061
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: know that I knew about the opponent, or that I

1062
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: knew about the injury situation of my left guard when

1063
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: I didn't start him. So my point to you is,

1064
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: I know the concept to work. I don't know if

1065
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: you have time to do it, but I think we

1066
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: could sell this pretty easily.

1067
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: You know, it reminds me years ago.

1068
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: I was a second year head coach at Semple and

1069
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: so the first year we went to and ten and

1070
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: we had a like someone wrought an angry email, was

1071
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: canceling their tickets, and I was happy to be in

1072
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: with Mark Ingram, who's now at UAB is the AD

1073
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: and he was in charge of some things. I said,

1074
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: we'll call them, and I called them and I said, hey,

1075
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: this is Matt Rule. I know you're disappointed. I understand that.

1076
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 2: I said, we were disappointed that we're losing you. I said,

1077
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 2: things have been tough, so I think we're getting better.

1078
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: I think we'll make a jump this year. If anything ever,

1079
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: you know, if anything ever changes, we'd love to have

1080
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: you back. You know, please feel free to give a

1081
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: call back. I didn't get my number, but give the

1082
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: Mark's number. We'll never heard from him, but he ended

1083
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: up keeping his tickets. But I do think, you know,

1084
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: I do think that I think a part of this

1085
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: is is that when there's criticism, there's always a lot

1086
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: of validity to the criticism. I don't think I don't

1087
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: go home and my wife doesn't say, like, are you

1088
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: gonna start butzing? Or don't think after a decisions made,

1089
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: I'm not in the locker room, like I mean, that's

1090
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: half the reason why see head coach is yelling on

1091
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: the headset like so. But there's so much more to this.

1092
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 2: We've just gotten to a point where like we're letting

1093
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 2: like algorithms tell us what a coach should do or shouldn't,

1094
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: and we're taking away the you know, the genius of

1095
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, the genius of Nick Sirianni. Like it's not

1096
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: just the algorithm of like, hey, it's fourth and two

1097
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: because if you if you study that, which I believe

1098
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: in analytics a ton like fifty percent of the time,

1099
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: you know, or more than three percent of time, you'd win.

1100
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 2: You know, it's all based upon like a normal team,

1101
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: not those two specific teams all the time, and so

1102
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: I just think there's there's more to it.

1103
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: But I do think all all of it is valid.

1104
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: It's just not at the end of the day, like

1105
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: what what good is it to listen to outside people

1106
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: during that time. I would love sometimes to have some

1107
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: people like show me on tape what they're about, like

1108
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: walk me through it.

1109
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: But that's I think.

1110
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: You know, we have a lot of that, and now

1111
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: we have a lot of people that can go on

1112
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: and they'll put together an eight play cut up and

1113
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: they'll put it on YouTube to prove a point.

1114
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: But it's it's very like misleading.

1115
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: And I much prefer someone I much prefer someone like

1116
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: Dan Orloski did that to me when I was at Carolina.

1117
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: He did this thing about the back sets and it's

1118
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: given away everything.

1119
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: And I called Dan.

1120
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, Dan, I would at least wish she at

1121
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 2: least called me, because I'd just show you the play

1122
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: where we line them up deep but then threw a

1123
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: play action pass.

1124
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: It hit like a forty yard forty yard game.

1125
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: And so I think, you know, anytime anytime things are

1126
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: one sided where there's no discourse.

1127
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 3: I can I can prove everything right, I can prove

1128
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 3: everything wrong.

1129
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: I mean, look a look at the internet now, I

1130
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: don't even know what to prove sometimes based upon your agenda.

1131
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: So I think we have to be real careful about

1132
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: believing the things that believe in the things we read.

1133
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: Do you know this year, someone put out on the

1134
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: internet that my wife was pregnant, that Julie and I

1135
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: are respecting a fourth child. You know, it was like

1136
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: after four weeks of pregnancy they're proud to announce, which,

1137
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 2: as you know, no one do it after four weeks,

1138
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: and Julian I kind of laughed, is you know she's

1139
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: forty nine, I'm fifty. We're like, well, obviously no one

1140
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: will believe that. Do you know there probably hasn't been

1141
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: a day in the last five months that someone hasn't

1142
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 2: walked up and asked how.

1143
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: The baby is.

1144
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: Dang man, congrats.

1145
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 3: I actually had to go on a pro I hadn't

1146
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: go on a press converse.

1147
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, we are too old

1148
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: to be pregnant, and but I guess my point is

1149
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: is like that's out there.

1150
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: People care.

1151
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: But I think we always have to be so careful

1152
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: of of what we hear. And that's why I think

1153
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: this is so valuable because whether we agree disagree, the

1154
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: question is like you're hearing two sides of everything, And

1155
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: anytime you listen to something that's just one sided, it

1156
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: could be a reaction. But anytime you listen to something

1157
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: just one sided, then you're hearing one side, and I

1158
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: always like to hear the other. And I think when

1159
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: we make a decision in football, sometimes we say to ourselves,

1160
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: I wish we would have done something differently.

1161
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: It is hard. I will say this, it is hard.

1162
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: Well, the hardest thing is in football is to play

1163
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: a game, lose the game, win the game, walk off

1164
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: the field, shake someone's hand, walk off the field, walk

1165
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: in the locker room. Try to compose what you're gonna

1166
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: say to your team, and the most say after a

1167
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: loss in one of the most difficult times, right like,

1168
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: what you're gonna say to not hurt them, but set

1169
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: the tone for how we're gonna handle things. Get up,

1170
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: walk out, not shower, maybe shake the eighties hand and

1171
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: walk into a press conference and then tell people what happened.

1172
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard.

1173
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 2: And you know, even in Carolina, they'd say, hey, here's

1174
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: some thoughts say this, don't say this, and they walk

1175
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: in there and train professionals who've been waiting like an

1176
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: hour to ask you about what you did on third down.

1177
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: So you don't want to throw your teammates under the bus.

1178
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 2: You don't throw your coaches under the bus, your players

1179
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: on the bus. It's all really difficult. And so again,

1180
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 2: this is why being a head coach is not about

1181
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: who's the best play caller. It's I mean, think about

1182
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: what you say after a game to your team, how

1183
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: that can what that can do. I don't know what

1184
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: Ryan Day said to his team after they lost to Michigan.

1185
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 2: I don't know what he said the next week. I've

1186
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: read a couple of things about it. But whatever he did,

1187
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: it worked, and whatever he did, it probably came from here.

1188
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: And so I think that's the art of being a

1189
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: head coach. And that's why I come to things like this.

1190
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: This celebrates coaching in a world where we're sometimes always

1191
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: tearing down coaching, where we think the general manager is

1192
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: more important than the head coach. We think this is

1193
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: I really believe in the art of coaching, and so

1194
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: I love to celebrate coaches.

1195
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: The psychology of the game day is totally fascinating to me.

1196
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks about the pregame and pregame speech and everyone's

1197
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: really fascinated. It makes for good hype video content. The

1198
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: part I've always been more fascinated by is the postgame.

1199
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: Because the game's over, so you're on to next week.

1200
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: It starts in immediately when you walk off the field,

1201
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: and I see sometimes you'll have like footage of these

1202
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: postgame speeches and it's always shown in retrospect way down

1203
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: the road when the team's gone on a run, and

1204
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, the messaging there is this led to this.

1205
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like it's just anecdotal and that would

1206
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: have happened anyway. Other times, like you just said, there

1207
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: could be a trigger point. You never know when the

1208
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: trigger point. You never know when that mechanism is tilting.

1209
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: But you've got opportunities after every game, especially after a loss.

1210
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: I would imagine you've got a more cultivatable environment there

1211
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: because whatever they just did didn't work, so you're more

1212
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: apt to want to try something new. But the psychology

1213
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: of it's not normal because normally when people fail, they

1214
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: get to go home and hide, right and then they

1215
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: come out when they're ready and it's really a slow

1216
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: emergence from the cave, and you've got to go through

1217
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: all that. I mean, probably the most difficult portions of

1218
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: your job are losing the game and then you got

1219
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: to face a team, and then you got to face media.

1220
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: Those things happen within a thirty minute period, and then

1221
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: you got to go about game planning the next week.

1222
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: How much of that do you have to get yourself

1223
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: ready for before you're ever in the environment, you know,

1224
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: I think.

1225
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: You have to get yourself ready for it.

1226
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: You know, Troy Danon does a great job for me

1227
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: walking off the field win or loss. He always gives

1228
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: me like one thought, you know, he always gives me

1229
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: like one thought that maybe I can, like again not

1230
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: just walk in and say hey, like hey that you know,

1231
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: hey that game, you know, this just happened that day

1232
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like he always gives me something that maybe

1233
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: I can kind of hang my hat on with the team,

1234
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 2: you know. Again, go On, I saw like this old

1235
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 2: man railing against social media, which I'm not because this

1236
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: will probably be on some version of social media so way,

1237
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: and I'll watch it on social media. But you know,

1238
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: as I'm talking to the team, I can usually hear thing.

1239
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: I can hear everyone's phones.

1240
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 3: Kind of going off in the lockers or vibrating in

1241
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 3: the lockers.

1242
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: So the old days when I played, if you get

1243
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: on the bus, you you get back home, you kind

1244
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: of hide for the day. You go in on Sunday, Monday,

1245
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: you go in the meetings like they're getting feedback on

1246
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: the game right afterwards. And so what we say after

1247
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: the game is probably the most powerful thing. And you know,

1248
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: I always live by win or lose. You know, do

1249
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: no harm, like, don't don't do anything that can hurt

1250
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: them in an already hurt state even worse. But also

1251
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: tell the truth. You know, my last year at Temple,

1252
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: we were we were picked preseason top twenty five, and

1253
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: we lost the Army our first game and came back

1254
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: and we were three and two. We went to Memphis

1255
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: on a Thursday night and we lost. And I'll never

1256
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 2: forget me starting to say something. I'll say, you know, guys,

1257
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: I you know I didn't get you ready for this,

1258
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: and I was really upset about the decision we made. Offensively,

1259
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: we threw the ball fifty times, and I'll never forget you.

1260
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: Hot Thomas and a couple of guys.

1261
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: Just telling me to shut up and going off. And

1262
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: that's what I was like, Oh, we're about to go

1263
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 3: on a run. And we won seven straight. You know,

1264
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: for LA.

1265
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: Through the last two years at at Nebraska, sometimes I've

1266
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: given them the opportunity and I've never had anyone go

1267
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: off and say enough. And I started to feel that

1268
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: towards the bowl game. I started to feel like the

1269
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: guys in the locker room starting to be like, you know, hey,

1270
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: this is our team and we're gonna find a way

1271
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 2: to win. So I think those are amazing moments to

1272
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: to tell them what went wrong. I mean, sometimes it's

1273
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: sometimes it's hey, this is how it's gonna be. I

1274
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: I I think sometimes it's better on Monday, when you've

1275
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: really had a chance to think about it. Like I

1276
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: can tell you we lost to UCLA and I went

1277
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: in that Monday and I I was I was fire

1278
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: in Britainstone. I was back to twenty twenty twenty thirteen

1279
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 2: fourteen Temple Matt Ruhle.

1280
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 3: I was like, Hey, this is the way it's gonna be.

1281
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: But there's a lot to it, you know, And at

1282
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: the end of the day, when you go back to

1283
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: all the things I said earlier. You want a team

1284
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: that fights for their coach. You want to coach that

1285
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: fights for its players. You want players to fight for

1286
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: each other, and so in our darkest moments, we have

1287
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: to be honest. We also have to pull each other together.

1288
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: And again, that's why I always believe it's been three

1289
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: years for me to teach the team how to win.

1290
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: I've never taken over a team with a great, great roster,

1291
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: so I think that's part of it. You're developing the roster,

1292
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: but you're developing the mindset. You're developing the psyche. And

1293
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: when you go through tough losses or the ups and

1294
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: downs of a season like we did, the guys who

1295
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: stick together, they learned to trust each other. And we

1296
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: went out to that Bowl game. I mean it was

1297
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's reigning in New York. People are probably like,

1298
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: what's you know? That was one of the greatest days

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Speaker 2: because I stood there and I had a couple guys

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Speaker 2: in the silence say, coach, you know as we were winning,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's great about this.

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Speaker 3: Everybody that's out.

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Speaker 2: Here wants to be here, and you only get that

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Speaker 2: when you go through kind of what we went through.

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00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm so excited about what will happen,

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00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: But it is all those post games. It is all

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00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: those little talks that gets you to this point if

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Speaker 2: you want to do it the right way.

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Speaker 1: I kind of end on this concept. When you've got

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Speaker 1: a room full of people who have won championships, have

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00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: been part of championship teams. They know what it feels like.

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Speaker 1: They know when it is how it's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: when it's not how it's supposed to be, the level

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Speaker 1: of competition in practice, the intensity of practice they've been

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Speaker 1: around it, or either they know what it's supposed to

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00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: be about. When you've got players or coaches who haven't

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00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: necessarily been there, and you're trying to explain to them

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00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't look the way it should yet even though

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00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: you feel like you're on the right track, I'll know

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Speaker 1: when we get there, Like, what's that conversation?

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Speaker 2: Like, it's hard, man, it's hard to take the practice thing.

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00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: So so I had a player come up to me

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00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: at the end of this year, great young man on

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00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: our team and he's been there for a couple of years.

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00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: He's like, coach, you know you got here. We started

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00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: doing Matt drills and we started tackling in practice. We

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00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 2: started doing all these things and we were all like, wow,

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00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: this we never worked this hard.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna win. He's like, but you know, we're five

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00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 3: and seven and six and six. It's the same record.

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Speaker 3: You know, this was right after we lost to Iowa.

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Speaker 3: He goes, he goes, this is the same We're getting the.

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00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: Same result with a different thing. And I understand that

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00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: told us and I completely understand. I said, but the

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Speaker 2: only chance we have to get to a CFP team

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00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 2: is to do what CFP teams do. And what most

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00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: people do is they start trying to do it and

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00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 2: they look around. They're like, hey, it's not really working,

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00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: is it. It's not really working, and they quit and

1340
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: they give up on their dream. The dream never gives

1341
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: up on you. I don't care if you're an actor.

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00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're in sports media. I don't

1343
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: care if you're a football coach, football player. The dream

1344
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: never gives up on you. But most people give up

1345
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: on their dreams. And to me, it's just like when

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00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: you get to that moment where it feels like, hey,

1347
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: is this working or not, Like just after that Iowa

1348
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: game and then my decoordinator left, and my d line

1349
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: coach left and a bunch of guys went in to

1350
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: the portal and feels like, oh no, is this about

1351
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 2: to fall down? You do what theo Epstein said when

1352
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: he went to Chicago. You double down, You go all in,

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00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: You take all your chips and put them in the

1354
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: middle tar and you say, no, no, forget this. I'm not

1355
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm not a sheep. I'm not going out like this.

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00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: And you've got to get you can't make the players

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00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 2: do that. You know, I can't.

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00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 2: I have no problem explaining why to our players, but

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Speaker 2: I can't justify. I can't be like no, just drust

1361
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 2: to me, Like they've got to buy into it. And

1362
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: so you know, sometimes as the younger players come in,

1363
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: you know the Dylan Rayl has come in, and you

1364
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: know they're they're frustrated, we're losing, but they understand like

1365
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: as they go through it, they'll they'll make the they'll

1366
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: make the steps. But nothing nothing comes easy because you

1367
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: know what, Ohio State is working hard. So for us

1368
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: to be working as hard as Ohio State and they're

1369
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: already three levels ahead of us, we're gonna be chasing

1370
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: them for a long time. We've got to be willing

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Speaker 2: to do things that maybe they aren't. And I say

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Speaker 2: that with respect to them, because I know Ryan's gonna

1373
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: do everything, But like, you've got to do things that

1374
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: are so uncomfortable to just have a chance. And when

1375
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: you have your chance, you can't you can't blow it.

1376
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: So that's what we've been doing for two years and

1377
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: we haven't gotten it done yet. But but what else

1378
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: is there to do? Quit or just double down? Double down,

1379
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 2: double down. And so that's what we're doing in Nebraska.

1380
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: We're doubling down. And part of you know, don't listen

1381
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 2: outside people saying you should be doing this differently. That's

1382
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: that's the hardest part. Hey, well what if we did this?

1383
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 2: What if we did that? Well, that's like my fitness journey,

1384
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, you're a pretty fit looking guy,

1385
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: but you get up and you do the same things

1386
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 2: all the time. I go to my strength coach every morning.

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00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: You know, he's he's in there five o'clock, he's lifting

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00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: every day. You know, you know, I'm I sent him

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Speaker 2: something from Instagram.

1390
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: I read this. Hey, I read that.

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00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: You know that's me right, Maybe I should try this,

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00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: Maybe I should try that. He's always like, just get

1393
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 2: in here and lift some weights with me. And it's

1394
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: kind of like that with football. That's where my consistency

1395
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: in my life is in. It's in football. It's in

1396
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: do the same hard, tough things every single day, and

1397
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: when you don't get the results, you want double down

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00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: and then eventually, oh come.

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Speaker 1: What is the Matt Real fitness journey? By the way,

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Speaker 1: what's an update on the Matt Real fitness Oh?

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Speaker 3: Bro?

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Speaker 2: You know what for this time of year, like this

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Speaker 2: is like this is pretty good for me. Normally I'm

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Speaker 2: like terrible all the way and out of the spring.

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00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: But my strength coach, you know, he made me we

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00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: had a goal by the end of the season I

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00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: could do two twenty five five times, and so I

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Speaker 2: got to like six seven. So now I'm like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I think by the season, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: at the ten ten reps of two twenty five. So

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Speaker 2: I just stupid things like I'm not ever gonna be

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be on there where that T shirt

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Speaker 2: you're wearing. But you know, I'd like to be able

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Speaker 2: to walk in the weight room and actually move a

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Speaker 2: little bit of weight, not be on the not be

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Speaker 2: on the elliptical, and I like to be able to

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Speaker 2: go play a little pick up basketball with the guys pickleball.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm gonna find a way. Who some things.

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