1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: The control group contains scenes of realistic violence and graphic sexuality. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: It is intended for mature listeners. This episode specifically contains 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: depictions of sexual abuse that may act as a trigger. 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: Audience discretion is advised. If I am ever to get 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: better again, I must cooperate with doctor Hayes. I can 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: trust Doctor Hayes. In the field of psychiatric medicine. It 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: was an exciting time, a time of innovation and discovery 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: with doctor Hayes, a time when mental health institutions struggled 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: to redefine themselves, to become something more than repositories of 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: the sick. Unorthodox methods and aggressive therapies were not only permitted, 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: but encouraged. I can trust Dr Hayes. This is a 12 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: record of that time when I am absolutely this is 13 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: the controlled and only by fully cooperating with Dr Hayes, 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: can I ever hope to become well again. I have 15 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: no sceners. Yeah, morning, Dr Hayes. I'm wondering if you'd 16 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: be interested in signing this card along with everyone else. 17 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: It's been three days since Charlotte was transported back to 18 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: her home. Debbie, the patients and I thought it might 19 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: give Charlotte a little encouragement to send her a greeting card. 20 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I'm sorry. Remind her that she spent two 21 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: fruitless years on the ward. That's going to cheer her up. 22 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: It would be best if she just forgot she was 23 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: ever here and just started to live her old life again. 24 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: Don't you think, Oh, come on, not again, Charlotte, Charlotte, 25 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: come on, breath, You just you're just you're having another 26 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: You gotta snap out of it. Three weeks now? What? What? Enough? Yeah, 27 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna talk today or you're just gonna do huh? 28 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: Say it? What? Why am Why can't why can't look 29 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: at me what I'm talking to you? Listen to me, Charlotte. 30 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: You gotta get out of this bed. You've got to 31 00:02:53,040 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: get out of the house. Go somewhere, do something. No, no, 32 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sending you back to that madhouse. So that 33 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: lunatic doctor he fried your brain. Okay, he's made a 34 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: goddamn zombie out of you. And the scary thing is, 35 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: the really scary thing is that he's got you wanting 36 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: to go back for more. I'm not going to allow that. 37 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: You don't understand. The Central State Hospital at New Canaan 38 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: is the source of my health and my happiness. I 39 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: depend on Dr Hayes from my well, like living with 40 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: a broken phonograph. He sees things in me, Bird, that 41 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: no one else sees. He listens to me. Without his care, 42 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: I could not survive. You're never going back to that place, Charlotte. Never. 43 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: You're home. Now, you're my wife, I'm your husband. Things 44 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: were broken, but we're going to fix it. We're gonna 45 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: try again. Okay, No, no, I can't. I can't go 46 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: through that pain again. Bird, I can't. You can't. You 47 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: don't know. It was my child too. Remember, you seem 48 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: to forget that. It wasn't an it she was she 49 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: she had a name. I'm going to work, gonna be 50 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: late again. It's almost nine. I don't want to go out. 51 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: Don't go out. Stay locked up in this tomb if 52 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: you want to. But I'll be goddamn if I'm if. 53 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you back into that madhouse. Do you 54 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: hear me? Yeah, I hear you. You're so far away. 55 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: I'll see you this evening. It's it's almost nine. It's 56 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: almost nine, it's almost nine. Might at the Showcase Cinema. 57 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: I witness news at noon six and eleven weekdays on 58 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: w e A L t V Channel twelve. You know, ladies, now, 59 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: wife's just chock full of surprises, isn't it. We all 60 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: know the bad ones that den then your fender when 61 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: you come out of the supermarket. Hate that one, the 62 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: phone call from the principal's office because little Johnny has 63 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: broken a window. Now, when those things happen, it's important 64 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: to remind yourself of the other surprises, the good ones. 65 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: Flowers on your birthday from your sweetie, a postcard from 66 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: an old friend. Well, today we'll be talking about surprises, 67 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: and you know what, we may have a surprise or 68 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: two for you as well. This is Woman's World. It's 69 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: time for a Woman's World with Helen Puckley, brought to 70 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: you by Ultra Tlensing Cream. When clean enough isn't clean enough, 71 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: trust Ultra Clensing Cream to give your world the sparkle 72 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: it deserves Ultra Flensing Cream. And now here's our hostness, 73 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: Ms Helen Huckley. It's Thursday, and you know what that means. 74 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: It's time to open the mail bag here on Woman's 75 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: World and we're gonna see what's on the minds of 76 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: our viewers out there and who knows. Maybe today will 77 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: be the day that Charlotte gets a message from an 78 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: old friend, maybe an old flame, and suddenly the day 79 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: will look just a little bit brighter. Now, our first 80 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: letter here comes from uh Lena here in New Canaan, 81 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: and she writes as a housewife and mom. I've often 82 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: wondered why it is that today is the day Dr 83 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: Hayes is going to come for you, when some of 84 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: my friends secretarial jobs don't get that same satisfaction. What 85 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: about talking? It's kind of like that old anage about 86 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,119 Speaker 1: walking a mile and another person's moccasins. If you wish 87 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: to become well, you you really must obey his every 88 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: instruction and comply with his every wish. Kids homesick from school, 89 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: or or making a second trip to the market right 90 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: before your husband's you might want to get dressed because 91 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: he will come for you today. And really, with ladies, 92 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: without his care, he simply could not survive. In fact, 93 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: before we went on the air today, my producer showed 94 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: me your phone was going to ring newspaper and it's amazing. 95 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: In five seconds, just about every person who interviews said 96 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: that three believed they would be happier to had more time, 97 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: more money won. But they ask you ladies like, h 98 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: let's let's just hold it for just a second. That 99 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't quickly? Is someone going to answer that? Charlotte, M hmm. 100 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: Don't you think you should answer? What if? What if 101 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: it isn't him? Why don't you pick it up and 102 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: find out? Hello? Hello, Charlotte. Dr Hayes. Is it really you? 103 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: It really is? How have you been getting it along? 104 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: Not so good? That's so good. I was worried about that. 105 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: I mean Central State Hospital and Canan is the source 106 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: of my health and happiness. That's right, Charlotte. You're exactly right. 107 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: And I depend on you, Dr Hayes for my well 108 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: being as well. You should, you know, Charlotte. To remain well, 109 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: you must obey my ever reinstruction and comply with my 110 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: every wish. That's right. Without my care, Charlotte, you cannot survive. 111 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: I understand that. Now, Dr to Hayes, is it true? 112 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: Dr Hayes? My mother and what she said? What's that Charlotte? 113 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: Helen Huntley, Oh, Helen Huntley said something to you. Can 114 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: you believe it? What she said? That you're coming for me? 115 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: She was right? In fact, I was going to see 116 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: if you could be ready and take five minutes. How'd 117 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: that be? That would that would be wonderful. Dr Hayes, great, 118 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: it will be so good to see you again, Charlotte. 119 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: It'll be nice to see you again. To dry, I'm 120 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: sorry about about what happened when I was leaving, When 121 00:10:54,640 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: I was trying to leave. That matters now now who 122 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: you well? Was he a ten thirty then? And Charlotte, 123 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: under the circumstances, I think it'd be best if you 124 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: don't mention Mr Birke. We don't want to upset him. No, 125 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: of course, not our little secret. Yes, yes, anything you 126 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: said doors see it a bit. Goodbye, Dr Mao. The 127 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: rain stacked, the clouds part and a door opens just 128 00:11:35,440 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: for you. Sorry for the way you're holding for Marcus Stevenson. Hello, Hi, 129 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: Dr Stevenson. This is Videri Wilburn. You probably don't remember me, 130 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: but I was a student of yours class of forty nine. 131 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: Sorry I don't there was a d that's me, yes, 132 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: my maiden name. Sorry? Fine, fine, how are you Mrs Wilburn? Now? Yes, 133 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm fine. Thank you for asking. I'm calling because I'm 134 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: hoping you can give me some information about something, sure 135 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: if I can. I'm award head nurse at the Central 136 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: State Hospital in New Canaan. Congratulations, I knew you'd landed 137 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: in a good spot. Thank you. And um, we've begun 138 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: to do some research with a group. May I speak candidly? 139 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: Dr Stevenson. Of course, I'll try to do the same. 140 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Good Thank you. The group is the Society for the 141 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: Investigation of Human Ecology. I think they've also supported some 142 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: research work there. Are you familiar with it? Very familiar. 143 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: They've underwritten some of my research. What's the name of 144 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: the director there at New Canaan, Ryan Walter Hayes hay 145 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: don't know him, but he's in good company. The Human 146 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: Ecology program supports skitting June just Kinna. Even Margaret need 147 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: is on the pay roll. Okay, okay, okay, um just 148 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: m hmm. What's on your mind? Since we started working 149 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: with them? Okay, we've begun to focus less on long 150 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: term care and more on experimental therapies that, at least 151 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: in my view, are questionable ethically speaking. And you blame 152 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: the s I G Or do you blame the head 153 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: of your department? I don't know where it's coming from. 154 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do about it. If you 155 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: feel a patient's life or mental well being or in danger, 156 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: hang up, phone them and request an inquiry. Is that 157 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: the case, No, not exactly tell me. Then we no 158 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: longer seem to be concerned with improving our patient's quality 159 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: of life. All of a sudden, we're using them as 160 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: guinea pigs. I understand now, you do. Absolutely. The route 161 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: of the problem is not what the doctor is doing 162 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: or the society is doing. It's how you're looking at him. 163 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm the problem in a sense. You're the ward nurse, 164 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: head nurse. Yes, caretaker, you use that word yourself. I 165 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: did I care for my patients. There's no shame in that. 166 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: Never said there was. But that's not research. Look, I'm 167 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: not trying to condescend, but just listen for a moment 168 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: and try to understand. There are two ways, basically to 169 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: approach research and experimentation. One, you have a goal, a target, 170 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: and you're trying to find the best means of achieving it. Yes, 171 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: when you medicate a patient or perform some other therapy, 172 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: it is to achieve a specific aim. Yes, that's right. 173 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: The other method is to explore something, find out what 174 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: its properties are. Its effects, its potential, it's dangers, and 175 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: once you really understand it, then you decide how it 176 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: can be applied. But you can't minister a treatment for 177 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: a specific goal until you fully understand it. Are you 178 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: with me so far? Yes? This is what the society is. 179 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: This is what they encourage. Summer Hill always said, have 180 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: you met Mr summer Hill yet? Yes? I used to 181 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: say this was like taking the tiger out of its cage, 182 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: taking off its leash, letting it run around, see if 183 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: it can be trained. Excuse me, sorry, but when you 184 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: say the tiger, what are you referring to? What? You're 185 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: still looking at this through people expand your vision. The 186 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: tiger is the thing whose potential you want to understand 187 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: so you can figure out how to use it to 188 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: your advantage. Got it? No, you don't. I can tell 189 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: you don't explain it to me. The tiger can be 190 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: many things. Everything is a potential tiger. Right now, my 191 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: primary focus is lysurgic acid diathylamide. To me, that's the tiger. 192 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: For me to understand its properties, I have to study 193 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: its effects on a broad sampling of people in various doses, 194 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: under various conditions. What will it be good for I 195 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: don't know yet, but eventually its usefulness will become apparent 196 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: in someone else's study. The tiger might be anthrax or botulism. 197 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: Now here's what you need to know to reorient your thinking. 198 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: To the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology. I'm 199 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 1: a tiger. They provide me with the resources and freedom 200 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: to study what I want. They don't require me to 201 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: hand over specific results that would be shortsighted science through 202 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: a people. They were to let me off the lease 203 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: to see what I'm capable of. Everyone everything is a 204 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 1: potential tiger. What the s i h E does is organized, cultivate, 205 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: collect data, analyze the data, connect the strands that might 206 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: emerge between all the different subprojects they're supporting, and determine 207 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: how this knowledge can be most effectively applied. Dr Stevenson, 208 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: who is the s I I just told you, No, 209 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: you didn't. Who are they? You know the question? I'm 210 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: asking doctor? If you know the question? The new must 211 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: suspect an answer. I want to hear you say it. 212 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: I want to know. The Society for the Investigation of 213 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: Human Ecology is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the advancement 214 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: of psychiatric study through the financial and logistical support of 215 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: independent research. I began working with him way back when 216 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: they were the Sick Fund. They liked what we were doing, 217 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: and we're always strong orders. So when the s i 218 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: h e. Was established, we came to them highly recommended. 219 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: They don't steer my research. They provide forty dollars a 220 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: year and financial assistance to my department. That's really are 221 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: I need to know about the society. We have a 222 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: sort of gentleman's agreement that I don't inquire into their 223 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: other areas of operation, and they allow me to pursue 224 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: the work I want to pursue wherever that path may lead. 225 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: And I'm afraid that's all the time I'm willing to 226 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: share with you. Hold, please, if I could just ask 227 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: you one you were always a bright woman, verdery, what happened? 228 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: Excuse me? You seriously mean you haven't figured this out already? 229 00:19:44,400 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: Or do you just not want to know? M hm? 230 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: And this looks good right here? Charlotte, All right, this 231 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: is Charlotte that this is a motel? Dry? Yes, what 232 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: why are you bringing? Bringing me to a motel? Don't 233 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: get the wrong idea, Charlotte. There's a reason for this 234 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: for our session to occur here in this place. I 235 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: don't understand. No, you don't understand, and you won't understand 236 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: until you come inside, until we begin the session. You've 237 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: always expressed an interest in aiding my research, have you not? 238 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: I have that moment is now. There's nothing worse than 239 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: a doctor who thinks him knows everything. He was happy 240 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: to rest on his accomplishments. But you know I'm not 241 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: that kind of doctor, don't you, Charlotte. I've always admired 242 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: you for that. I don't know everything. I'm always searching 243 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: for answers, a better understanding of the human mind. In 244 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: order to do that, I have to be adventurous. When 245 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: a man of science discovers a threshold to understanding, he 246 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: has an obligation to step through it. However strange you're 247 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: intimidating it may seem. Does that makes sense? Absolutely? And 248 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: there's something I've been curious about, and I think the 249 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: only place I can gain that knowledge is up there 250 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: in that room. Which true? Are you gonna help me, Charlotte? 251 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: Or am I going to drive you back to Bert's house? 252 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: You know I'll help you. You know I'll do anything. 253 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: It's funny all these months, I've just been waiting for 254 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: you to trust me enough. I just need to get 255 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: my cases from the back. Hello, uh, I help you. 256 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: I'd like to see a room, alrighty double the queen? Um. 257 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: Would it be possible to look at a particular room? 258 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: How do you mean look at? I'd like to rent 259 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: a room for the night, but i'd like to I'd 260 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: like to get a specific room if that's possible, Room 261 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: five twelve? Is that available? Room five? It's a single 262 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: for the same price. I could give you a double, 263 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: it's fine. How much that eight fifty? Cash? Or charge? Cash? 264 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: Care to sign in? Uh m hm, any name of dude. 265 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: But I need something, of course, not at twenty dollar fifty? 266 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: Is your change? Thanks? Check out as noon. If you 267 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: end up staying that long? Mm hmm. Can I help 268 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: you with your bags? And that won't be necessary? Thank you? 269 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: Can I carry one of those free phone? I got it? 270 00:23:48,720 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: Just push the button? So this is it? Not the 271 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: way I would have decorated, but Charlotte, yes, First off, 272 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you something to help you relax. 273 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: Give me your your left arm. Fine, okay, little prick, 274 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: there we go. I feel all right? Yes, good now, 275 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: take this valise. I want you to go into the 276 00:24:54,480 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: bathroom and put these things on. Okay, everything you find 277 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: in the bag I want you to wear, and I 278 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: don't want you to come out until I tell you 279 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: all right, all right, I'll just need a minute to 280 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: set up anything you say, Drys m h h. Hi, 281 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: this is ken you said I should call if anyone 282 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: ever and a man and a woman asked for room 283 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: five twelve, yes specifically, M No, No they didn't. He's 284 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: signing under the name Asa Kimball. No, no idea, not 285 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: five minutes ago. Yes, sir, we'll do all right in there, Charlotte. Yes, 286 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: come closer to the door. I want to tell you 287 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: what to do. I'm here. Good. Are you wearing clothes? 288 00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: I am? How do they make you feel? Sholotte? M M, 289 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. These aren't my clothes. And you would 290 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: never wear clothes like these, would you? No? You know 291 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: who would wear clothes like these, Charlotte. A prostitute would 292 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: wear clothes like these. These are these are clothes for 293 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: a whore, Charlotte. You know who wear clothes like these? 294 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: Karen does Karen Myers? Remember Karen? Yes? Good? Good, Because 295 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: when you open the door and come out here. I 296 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: want you to be Karen Myers. You don't want me 297 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: to be Karen, that's all right. I want you to 298 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: just look like her or act like her. I want 299 00:27:54,560 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: you to be Karen. Be Karen, that's it, yeah, and 300 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: not need correct. I want you to step out here, 301 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: and I want you to be Karen Myers. Why do 302 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: you want me to be caring? Because that's what I 303 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: want and because it's what I'm telling you to do. 304 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: And that's all the reason there needs to be, Charlotte. 305 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: To remain well, you must obey my every instruction. You 306 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: must comply with my every wish without my care. You 307 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: don't have to do that, doctors. If you'd rather be 308 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: Karen and not myself, if that's what you want it, 309 00:28:48,960 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: I'll do it all right. Then here we go. If 310 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: I am ever to get better again, I must come up. Please, Charlotte, 311 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: I can trust. Is this what do you want to do? Absolutely? Yes? 312 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: Step into the white Let me see you. Doctor. You 313 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: look wonderful, Karen, exactly as I imagine you, cheap toddaries sexy. 314 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: This is how you look that night when you brought 315 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: Ronald Grant into this room. If I ever tell me, Karen, 316 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: did you undress for him? Or did he address you 317 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: on absolutely healthy? Undress me? I'll show you're right. What 318 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: did he pay? Ten dollars? Twenty dollars? Twenty dollars? Here 319 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: you go, Garrett, great, Well that buy me what I want? Yes? No, Charlotte, 320 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: what is it you're wearing your wedding rings? I'm sorry, 321 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: I didn't even think I take them off. They're my 322 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: wedding rings. Karen doesn't have wedding rings. You shouldn't have them. 323 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: Take them off when I'm absolutely healthy? What should I 324 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: do with that? But them on the night stands? Better? Now? 325 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: I have hold still? How does that feel, Karen? To 326 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: get better? This is what Ronald Grant felt like? I 327 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: can trust dr that night? Was Ronald Grant the kind 328 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: of man that needed encouragement? Karen? How did he take 329 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: control of you? Karen? I can trust drs only when 330 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: I absolutely I don't want to do I'm showing you 331 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: just let me do this the way I want to 332 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: do it, and don't ask questions. I know exactly what 333 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: I want. You put the money on the dresses. Then 334 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: that I loved you to temporary ownership, Ronnie, you belong 335 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: to me, Karen mothers, that's right, and I can do 336 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: whatever I want with you without any moral or ethical obstruction. Professor, 337 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: you really know how to talk to a one command 338 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: and control. Karen. That's what I want? What heavenly man? 339 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: What underneath it all? Hello? Ken? They still upstairs? Yes, sir? 340 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: All h Are they many calls? Outside? Calls or front desk? Nothing? 341 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: They're quiet, all right. If anyone up there tries to 342 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: make a call, don't let it out. If you hear 343 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: any unusual noise in the next ten minutes or so, 344 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: just ignore it. You never saw me come in here today, okay, 345 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: never saw you before in my life. What do you? Yeah? 346 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: What are you going to do there in my room? 347 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: It's only fitting that I go on up and introduce myself. 348 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: No trouble please. M The Control Group is a production 349 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: of How Stuff Works, written and directed by Brett Wood, 350 00:33:36,160 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: recorded and mixed by Rob gal m m hmmm two