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Speaker 1: I'm Curtis Saint Jackson, and this is surviving our topo.

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Speaker 1: It's once you brought down the drug lie. I think

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Speaker 1: we've all experienced these situations in life, maybe not to

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Speaker 1: Peter and Jay's father was their mentor in life. He

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Speaker 1: taught him everything they knew about the drug trade. And

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Speaker 1: how not to get caught someone you're supposed to love.

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Speaker 1: Unconditioning now telling you that trying to do things the

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Speaker 1: right way is actually the wrong thing. For most kids,

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Speaker 1: But for the Flores twins, it was doing drug rounds

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Speaker 1: suspicious activities. After wrestling with it for twenty years, they

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Speaker 1: us at early right ten eleven the morning around there.

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, the US attorney wants to talk

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Speaker 1: like wow, reality just hit us. Huh what I remember

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Speaker 1: Then he gave you two hours nights And I said,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't the problem. We were like fucking like you know,

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Speaker 1: we were upset like that, we were not being told

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Speaker 1: are not going to do it. This has never been done.

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Speaker 1: They didn't even believe what they had. They didn't believe

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Speaker 1: I wasn't concerned about nothing else but about my well,

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Speaker 1: we are and novel Arrado, which is controlled by a

428
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: rival cartel, Settas, who are known to be the most

429
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: savage cartel in Mexico. They have committed some of the

430
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: most brutal acts of violence like torturing people, beheadings to capitating.

431
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: I remember just how terrifying it was, not knowing if

432
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: I was going to be able to get there. The

433
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: family were crammed into the cars val vv vv's dad

434
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: and brother, Jane, Pete's mom and dad, Margarito Sr. The

435
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: older sister, older brother, Almando, and his wife, plus three teenagers,

436
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: a two year old, and three babies who were only

437
00:32:40,440 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: a few months old. The eight car convoy began its journey. Yeah, yeah,

438
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: h I see the plane land. First of all, the

439
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: ages are like, I didn't think you guys arena show up.

440
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, thanks, man, you're not helping me, Like I'm

441
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: broken It on and then they're hiding us through the checkpoint.

442
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: The military check went into the private hangars for the plane.

443
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Where waiting for the plane to land, and my brother

444
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: and I heard that the plane was going towards Mexico City,

445
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: which is south of Gualajara. We're like, why let's go

446
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: that way. I know, for whatever reason, we had to

447
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: go to Mexico City first. I'm like, no, let's just

448
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: leave here, please, let's just I felt that parallel, like

449
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: I want to be out of Mexico, like we're not

450
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: safe here. And no, we had to go to Mexico

451
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: City and they had like a they had rented like

452
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: a hotel, and they had like the whole all the

453
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: whole hotel was like close up and there was like

454
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: a lot of agents, like I'm talking about like fifty

455
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 1: sixty agents. I remember landing and I was still able

456
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: to communicate with my wife, please please leave, and what

457
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: are you guys waiting for? I was so piste up

458
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: that Val was packing stuff, like what the fund is

459
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: wrong with this woman? And I remember like that martial

460
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: charge he seemed on the phone, that why is he

461
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: still his phone? They bring us into this hotel room

462
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: and they surround, wasn't there like again asking those questions

463
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: and it was so like hectic. I we just want

464
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: to leave, Like my stomach hurt, I got sick. I'm

465
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: throwing up all the way back. They're mad at me.

466
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: I'm on the plane. It's miserable they didn't take us.

467
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: The next morning, I'm just like, you know, just wanting

468
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: to leave, Like I just want to leave Mexico. You know,

469
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: the phones are blowing up, just like extended stay a

470
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: little hotel crazy for about this. We have a house,

471
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: a stash house two blocks from there where I have

472
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: like three of my workers. City No, and I'm like

473
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: the fuck. And I guess they got a whole floor

474
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: because I remember they kind of like covered us and

475
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: we went up to the elevator and on the second

476
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: from the ages were actually out. They have to like

477
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: right for in their hands. They have a part of

478
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: the whole floor hotel rooms and they put us in

479
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: this room and a bunch of Marshall's coming. There's like

480
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: four agents and Marshall's in there with us. So it's like,

481
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, they've got two beds and it's like they're

482
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: just sitting on the on the bed in different places

483
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: of me and my brother Peters are sitting on the

484
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: bed and we're kind of talking to each other like lane,

485
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, like what's going to remember He's showing me

486
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: that the top was cousin and and then here calling

487
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: like they don't stop calling, and you said, didn't answer,

488
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: checking up on ball. By the time we got to

489
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: the room back, I had said that she was on

490
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: the road, which it was like a big relief. I mean,

491
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: it was relief that she was on the road, but

492
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: it was like I think they were traveling like eight

493
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: year nine a Carol eight or nine cars, all Lusry

494
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: vehicles going to a enemy territory. That was scary to me,

495
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: and I couldn't even say it, like what was I

496
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: gonna do? It was like a risk anywhere, like any

497
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: turn we talk, it was risky. And I just kept

498
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: calling her. It was just like where are you because

499
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: she was not gonna have phone service, right, and please

500
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: call me every times you get please call me, I

501
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: would asked her the baby, right, I was exhausted, I

502
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: could have those off. It was late and I be

503
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: then I put those of them and I waking up

504
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: and I had no calls. That worried me. It worried me,

505
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: like it was like five six some money, no calls,

506
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: Like I remember beginning up in the Marshal was a

507
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of somewhere up so dozing off and I'm just

508
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna just wash up. I remember, like I'm

509
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: gonna shower, you know, complete my last free shower, right

510
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: and because I don't know what we're happening, was happening

511
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: right before that anything, they're not saying nothing, and the

512
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: bounds of colleague and she was like like more closer

513
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: to a border and that was like a sense of relief.

514
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: She like me, drove to the night. You know, I'm

515
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: so tired. What are we gonna do that? Listen, just

516
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: drive to a border. Just drive straight to a border.

517
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: Just when you get to just explained to you know

518
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: who we are. And I think we were making calls

519
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: like you know, my brother Mano, I wasn't born in

520
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: the US, so he can't just come across my father.

521
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: It's in the same situation. I hate the future. Oh

522
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: was trying to make cause and closed so like to

523
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: our journey to you know, trying to use the I

524
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: want going to do. We could do guys, like you know,

525
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: I feel like they're paying tingents that I understand that

526
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: they had like going out, but their main focused was

527
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: me and my brother as it's always been, right like

528
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: everyone else, just you know, their easy way out is

529
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: like they always have the easiest plan, like no feelings

530
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: too bad. And I get it right, I guess they're

531
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: not concerned about our family, concern about their owner, their

532
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: case or whatever the case is. And since they want

533
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: to think all we would say like this is for

534
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: our family, they have to be the center of you know.

535
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: I always thought that they would understand that, and now

536
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: just a bunch of cause and just cares. Once it

537
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: was like nineteen in the morning, we left the hotel

538
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: and they take us back to the hangar and now

539
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, like it's alive, right, people everywhere, workers,

540
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: you know. I guess it's like a cargo type of

541
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: airport in that sections, like just all kinds of people.

542
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: So they literally they needs in the truck. I'll take

543
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: you for like at least two hours. We're sitting there

544
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: in the truck, nervous, right, and we're still calls. We're

545
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: tired and and I know that valand I'm going to

546
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: all to a hotel almost too scared. It's just me

547
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: in the car with my two babies in the back.

548
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: It looked like this whole like entourage. And we had

549
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: to drive well the hours to get to the border.

550
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: I would drive to the border all the time, so

551
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: I knew the roads and you'll like the back of

552
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: my hand. But I'm like, they gotta passed all these towns.

553
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: He looks so fucking crazy, and it's the night, and

554
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: it just looked like we had flashing lights just like

555
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: the spotlight on us. And we drove to the whole night.

556
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: When he stopped. We stopped one time for gas, but

557
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: I was like, it's cool, let's cool, let's cool, let's gool.

558
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: It was freaking out. What everyone's freaking out, and everyone's

559
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: confused in what do we do? I kept saying, what

560
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: do we do? Like we go, we go, we go,

561
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: It's cool. When I've seen him scared scared me, I

562
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: think I was just more scared because I felt like,

563
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: h oh, what the fun going to? I I know

564
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: it just like everybody was like at me to figure

565
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: it out to be the strong one. I'm sitting there

566
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: like good, I know. I don't even have any interruption.

567
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: We had an old ful service. I couldn't call j

568
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't ask him what to do. And I just

569
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: kept going and my adrenaline was going. I wasn't even tired.

570
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: We didn't sleep, didn't care. Just let it get to

571
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: the border. I just wanted to get there. And then

572
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: my mother was like, we're gonna go to the hotel.

573
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: We knew exactly what hotel we're going to. It's the

574
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: same one we always go to. The hotel. It's right

575
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: there at the border. We could literally see the border

576
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: from the hotel. And he's like, we got to go

577
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: to the border, like my dad can't. We can't cross us.

578
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you mean. He's like, we

579
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: can't cross we have no papers. They're not gonna let us.

580
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: Then we can't go, Like I can't leave it here.

581
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: He's like, wow, we're gonna have to wait. We're gonna

582
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: have to stay. We're not gonna be able to get

583
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: across the border. And I'm like, then we're all going

584
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: to go to the hotel. And we went to the

585
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: hotel and I remember it was early morning, still dark

586
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: outside and maybe like five six of the more. And

587
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: we get there. We're like okay, and then mine was like,

588
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check in. I'm gonna get rooms. I'm like,

589
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna sit, we're gonna wait, and we're

590
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna make sure they're gonna let us cross. They're gonna

591
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: us into the into the US. And then he's like okay.

592
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: So we go to lay down, and then not too

593
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: long afterwards, my phone is ringing, ringing, ringing, and I

594
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: jump up and it's Mandol. He's like about my nephew

595
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: called his girlfriend and he told her that we were

596
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: at the border, and I'm like, how would he do that?

597
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: Why would he do that? He's making I'm nope, he's

598
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: talking to his girlfriend and he was telling her by

599
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: and he said that we're at the border and I'm like,

600
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna know, we're here. We gotta go. He's like,

601
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: I know, we all got up. I think we weren't

602
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: even there for a half hour. I'm like, we gotta go,

603
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: we gotta go. You can't be kicked in, no, we're here.

604
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: Kind of paranoid because my nephew's girlfriend, her family's in

605
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: the cartel. Yeah, I mean, he's like, we can't eat

606
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: mon though, Like they're gonna switch hotels. We've gotta get

607
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: out of here. I'm even switch hotels. So as we're

608
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: gonna leave, I'm so nervous and scared that I remember

609
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: that I hit the side of the it's safety sopiz,

610
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: which is kind of like slows you down. I hit

611
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: this tide. It was like a steel one and it

612
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: justesn't ripped my tire off the rim. And so we're

613
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of the street, on the busy street.

614
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: We could see the borders. They got the next stop right,

615
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, the fucking tire, the fucking tire. So

616
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: my nephews jumped out and their model jumped out and

617
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: they're trying to jack the car up and put the

618
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: spare tire on and O He's like, let's go, let's go,

619
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: let's go. And I was like, no, I can't eat

620
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: the car. Get this one's under my name. That car

621
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: was under my name. It can't beat the car. She's like,

622
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: look that car. Let's going. Like no, they're going, we're going,

623
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: And they're like hurrying up and it's dark but the

624
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: sun is starting to come up, and then they're like, no,

625
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: we got it. We got Le's goal. We got it.

626
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: So then we jumped back in the cars and mind you,

627
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: we're like in the middle of the street at this point,

628
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: and we just look so fucking crazy because there was

629
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: just so much commotion going up and so can we

630
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: drive up to the border and we get there and

631
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: they asked us for our papers and I'm giving them

632
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: my passport, I'm giving them kids papers. I was like

633
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: the first one ticket there. They're like hold on, hold on,

634
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: because I'm like, go, go, go, go go. And they

635
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: were like stop, Low, you can't come in. Stop what

636
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: are you doing now? And I'm like, no, you gotta

637
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: let us in. They're coming for coming out the office

638
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: and they're like stop and I'm like no, they're gonna

639
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: kill us. I jump out of the car and say baby,

640
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: and she's sitting in the car freaking out. And then

641
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: he's like, you can't come in. You can't come in,

642
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: and you gotta wait. Everyone gotta wait. I was like, no,

643
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: we can't wait. We gotta go in. He was like no.

644
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: Nobody moved the cars and at this point we're all

645
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: lined up and if the cars are stuck, and I'm like,

646
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna kill us. They're gonna fucking kill us. You've

647
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: gotta come. You called called Chicago, call the day, called

648
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: the U. S. Government, like, go us some when they're

649
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: gonna kill us. We gotta get out of here now.

650
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: And they were like what A pulled to the side,

651
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: so they allow the cars to come through. They pull

652
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: us aside and we're past the first light, but they're

653
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: just the second light that we can't come through. We're

654
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: just called to that side. And then I'm like listen,

655
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: I said, we have to get out of the country.

656
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: We have to get back to the US. Were US

657
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: citizens and they're like, well, where's o the papers to

658
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: make my kids they were born in Mexico. And they're like, well,

659
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: they can't come in because if you don't have the

660
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: right paperworker said, no, you don't understand. You don't understand

661
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: where U. S. Citizens My son is. He's a U.

662
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: S citizen. He's got dual citizenship just by me being

663
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: the U. S citizen. He's a US citizen. I just

664
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: don't have the paperworking yet. But they can come in.

665
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: And he was like, no, we have to make phone calls.

666
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: And we're calling. We're calling Milwaukee, we're calling lawyers, were

667
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: calling everyone that we could pass it call and I

668
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: remember my phone ringing. I don't know if Jake and

669
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: in contact with someone or what, but my phone rings

670
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: and I'm like hello. They're like, this says I think

671
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: his name is Matt. He's the one that was in

672
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: charge his use attorney from walking. He's like, listen, it's okay.

673
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: Can like, you know, we're stuck here and they don't

674
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: want to let us it and my kids don't have

675
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: papers and we don't know what to do. You have

676
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: to tell them that you have to let us come in.

677
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: And he's like, yes, don't worry. You need to calm down.

678
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: You need to calm down. Everyone has to calm down.

679
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: Just listen to me what I'm telling you. And I'm

680
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: like what. He was like, We're gonna take you into

681
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: the office and you're gonna show them all the paperwork

682
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: you have, and they're gonna let you come in. Making

683
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: phone calls, we're calling. Do you see we're calling? They're

684
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: trying to let you guys in. And I'm like okay,

685
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, but and you it's cuts right. He's like, yeah,

686
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: you guys are okay. You guys are gonna be fine,

687
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: I promise. And I'm like okay, So I hang up

688
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, baby, get out the cars. Come on,

689
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: let's get out the cars. We're going into the office

690
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: with the kids and it was like cold outside, I remember,

691
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: and we're taking the babies inside. We get in there

692
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, here's our papers, this is what we have.

693
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: And they're like, do you have any guns on you?

694
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: Do you have any money and you And I'm like what.

695
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm like no. They're like, okay, well we just have

696
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: to ask and we need all the keys of the

697
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: cars because we had to put the cars on the

698
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: X ray machines to make sure that you can guys

699
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: are not bringing anything back with you. I'm like, going,

700
00:50:53,800 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: fucking kidding me, Just let us in and they were like, oh,

701
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: we just have that. This is routine. I'm like, it's

702
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: not routines. What I called back the U. S. Attorney

703
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: from alwalking and I'm like this is bullshit, Like what's happening?

704
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: Why are they doing this? Was like, can they just medicine?

705
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: He was like, it's routine. They have to just they

706
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: have to search the car. They have to make sure

707
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: that nobody's bringing nothing back. I was like, I said,

708
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: you don't understand. My brother in law, my father in law,

709
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: my mother in law is still back at the border.

710
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: My nephew called girlfriend, that's a switch hotels, like they

711
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: know we're here. Thanks. He's just held them to medicine.

712
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: Don't worry, you're gonna be coming in. They just need

713
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: to like check everything first. And at that point I knew,

714
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: I just knew this was our life. It didn't matter

715
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: whatever Champagne didn't properated. I knew at that point that

716
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: we are always going to be treated that way. They

717
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: were going to always look at us like criminals. I

718
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: knew it, and I just I felt like we need

719
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: such a huge mistake. I just felt like, these are

720
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: the people are supposed to be helping us, These are

721
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: the people are supposed to be keeping us safe. You

722
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: felt like you've made a huge mistake by the corporation. Yeah,

723
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: because no matter what, they were never gonna never in mind,

724
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: you had a six week old baby in your arms

725
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: to the point I was two year old. I must

726
00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: have been really distressing. Yeah. I didn't understand why agents

727
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: didn't allow member them at all. My father in law,

728
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: I didn't understand why they didn't let them come in.

729
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: I didn't understand why I didn't make a cause. I

730
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: didn't understand why they didn't do anything to help us.

731
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand. My brother laws out there for two days,

732
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: three days before they could help him, and I remember

733
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: when they finally let us through, I was just like,

734
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, we fucking made it. H kind of

735
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: believing make the city. They put us on. They have

736
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: like a big private jet. We're on the plane with

737
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: a few agents, one than being the agent for the gym.

738
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: He tells me, he said, this is just so crazy.

739
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm like what he said, you know, my whole family

740
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: knows you. I said, huh. He said, you grew up

741
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: in twenty six straight and my family has a business

742
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: that you would go to. He didn't want to tell

743
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: me what business, Like I knew you as a kid,

744
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, like, you know, I spent the

745
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: time like just giving him different businesses that you know.

746
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: I think it was a hardware story. I just have

747
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: a feeling he was just asking me questions, you know.

748
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: But it's weird because he was asking us questions but

749
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: about about our life, but not because I was cooperating.

750
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: It was more like talk like curious to know things

751
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: growing up on twenty six ships. My neighbor next to

752
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: me who the owner construct it was a construction company

753
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: or like electrical company. He on. The house had burnt down.

754
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: They turned it into an office and it was like

755
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: the house right next to us on the north side.

756
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: My neighbor to the north and uh, the neighbor would

757
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: always be nice to me and my brother. He would

758
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: buy us like toxicles and always talked to us. And he,

759
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: you know, his truck will roll up and he would

760
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: leave it open and go in the office, you know.

761
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: And they had like a big window, and I see

762
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: him all the time. Man, I remember his family, not

763
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: quite like I remember he had a family. I just

764
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: don't remember like back then you know their faces. But

765
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: while I was cooperating, a new agent head came into

766
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: the the team that was like I guess was handed

767
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: in our case over the years. And I remember like

768
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: she came in to me, I felt like she looked familiar,

769
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: and I just kind of like look at her. But

770
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: I guess I was just used to seeing different agents.

771
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: And she said, you know my dad, And I said, huh,

772
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: like do you know my dad? Do you remember who

773
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: used to buy you popsicles? When when you were a kid.

774
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: And the minute she said that, I mean maybe because

775
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: I also knew her last name, I put it together,

776
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: he's your dad and she was like yeah, like oh

777
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: my god, Like I remember being a kid and sitting

778
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: down the stairs just waiting for him to show up,

779
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 1: like every day, you know, around that two o'clock, especially

780
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: in summertime, because she would always like, you know, crack

781
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: a joke and say hey, really nice man, you know,

782
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: and she's like, that's your dad. I grew up. But

783
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: while I live right now see you, And I'm like, wow,

784
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes you can't make this stuff up.

785
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: She's actually probably still in as part of the case,

786
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: part of that team. And it was around because that

787
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: she knows a lot of money childhood that her dad

788
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: definitely and you know, you know who my family was

789
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: and how we grew up and here we are, you know,

790
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: so there's a chance I do see that that here's

791
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: our neighbor, right, he's an agent and we're drug traffickers.

792
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: People do make it. People do good things. You always

793
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: are known for like the bad people, right, Like if

794
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: you think about Chicago, oh, the violence, you know, it

795
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: just seems like the negative always. It's going to be

796
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: what I would remember for how you're perceived was seing

797
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: that plane. I just remember like being tired, and we're

798
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: just like making small talk and we still have our phones,

799
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: wheels and stuff like that. The whole night in our

800
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: phones were just going off steadily, steadily. Everyone is calling

801
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: our workers from the States. We land in Dallas. I

802
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: remember we kind of taxi like close to another hangar.

803
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: Let me wait there for a little while, and I

804
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: see that, you know, Customs comes you know, to the

805
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: plane to bring the stairs and comes to the plane

806
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, let's get off. Weird to

807
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: feel relieved to land at Dallas Airport, To feel relieved

808
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: to land in Americas like in the USA. It was

809
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: so weird, like finally feel like, okay, we're not in Mexico,

810
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: but having that thought about where is my family. We

811
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: are walking down and I see he has our birth certificate,

812
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, an I D like I D picture in

813
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: his hand. And when we land, she it's a lady.

814
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: She checks the document. Okay, and she's okay, and uh,

815
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: I remember I took the last step and I just

816
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: like stretching out my legs a little bit and my

817
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: brother gets behind me, and he's like okay, and they're

818
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: like all right, turn around, it's excuse me, you can

819
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: turn around, put your hand, me on your back, and

820
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: they hit me live. Put the heck sis. That was weird,

821
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: like my brother, and then looking at us like this

822
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: is their life for now on. No that goes the shackles.

823
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: They read me my rights and it's like they took

824
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: the bone. They started searching us. That was like reality

825
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: just hit me all that as came to this in

826
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: a way, I was like, well, what they expect, right,

827
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: And again I'm supposed to know this. I'm supposed to

828
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to think about these things. And I can't

829
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: even tell you, like, yeah, you were thinking like prison,

830
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: But I didn't crossed my mind, not even that day,

831
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: not even me you know, landing. But it brought me

832
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: back to reality that no matter what, no matter what

833
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: I did, no matter how much a sacri prison, you know,

834
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: I was still gonna be, you know, a prisoner, right.

835
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: I was still I wanted person, and I was gonna

836
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: have to pay for my mistakes for sure. You know

837
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: that I'm having those ankles. I mean, they shackled me.

838
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I do you have to shack for me,

839
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: like yes, just keep telling herself that we're doing the

840
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: right thing, asking the ages over and over, bleakly, just

841
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: checking my family. It's weird to be like yeah, expressed

842
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: like a brand and GEF five, you know you as

843
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: Marshall's jet speaking towards just take a prison. It's not

844
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: just the steel on your on your legs in hand.

845
01:01:53,720 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: I think it's more like the meaning right that when

846
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: I think the guilt kind of started like coming and

847
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: like I have to pay right for everything I did.

848
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: So we sit there for a while, probably refield and

849
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: jump back down on the plane distempt shackled and handcuffed,

850
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: and it was just different now. The rider was different.

851
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: It's a little quieter, you know. Me and my brother,

852
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: I think we were just right that this is what

853
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: we signed up for. And we end up flying into

854
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: small airport right out north of Chicago that actually we

855
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: used before to transport money and landing the airport on

856
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: I remember when the plane landed, were looking out the

857
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: window and I just saw nothing but police lights and

858
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: lots of exacting. When the door opens, it's called like

859
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: it's it's really colder and the door opens and it's

860
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: like the ages walking. I remember tapping a foot outside

861
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: the airplane and standing there. I just see the sea

862
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: of like blue jackets like d E A U S

863
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: Marshals and I just started getting like pictures flashes, the

864
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: pictures being taken and when I saw the cards and

865
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: like all the agents in marsh was just like staring

866
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: at us. I think it was the first time I

867
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: ever felt like, holy ship, I'm not just the drug dealer, right.

868
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: I had no idea to me, I was just selling drugs.

869
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: I was just knowing what I did. It was like reality,

870
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: like why are we doing this? How a weet? Right

871
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of us recording this podcast. Yeah, okay,

872
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: so we're gonna start. Phones started to ring. Val and

873
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: Viviana rushed out of the room to take the calls,

874
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: and very quickly the mood changed. You could feel this

875
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: nervous energy as j and Pete realized something was wrong.

876
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: Fifty and I had left the house to give the

877
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: family some space. An hour later we returned to try

878
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: and continue recording. Things felt very heightened. Can you say

879
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: what is happening today? Or would you rather than not? Um?

880
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: I think I think that I think that our fear

881
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: of the revenge something else we that we don't touch

882
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: on as much as I think that we should. Charlie,

883
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: I think that we don't touch on them. The fear

884
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: of retaliation from the cartel for what Pete and Jay

885
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: did is a constant threat in the lives of the

886
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: Flora's family. But it's not just the cartel that they're

887
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: afraid of, you know. We pray for the best. I'llcome

888
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: for our family, you know, and whatever that that is.

889
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: We're trying to, you know, start fresh and starting new

890
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: life with so many things like demons, like chasing behind us,

891
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: like scoutary feet. I feel like we do live in fear.

892
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: I feel like we're always going to live in fear.

893
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: I feel like our life is never going to be normal.

894
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: Only a couple of months after the twins came out

895
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: of prison, Val and Viviana were arrested in their own homes.

896
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: I see thems around my house, and they came in

897
01:05:54,760 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: with the slat team and army garpens, she guilt and

898
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: helmets and a R fifteens. I couldn't believe that they

899
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: came and ready to knock the door down when I

900
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: seen them coming and look like a bunch of soldiers

901
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: in front of my house and they're marching up the

902
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: street to come to the house, and I remember running

903
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: to my son's room, my daughter's rooming and waking them

904
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: up and telling them the Feds are here, the Feds

905
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: are here. Both of them were released after a few days,

906
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: but they have pending charges against them for money laundering.

907
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 1: This all goes back to when Pete and Jay turned

908
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: themselves in back in two thousand and eight. Valen Viviana

909
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: collected drug money owed to their husband's Pete and Jay's

910
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: older brother, Armando, was also involved and is named on

911
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: the same indictment. The calls that Valen Viviana received whilst

912
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: we were recording this were to tell them that Armando

913
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: had turned and to save himself, had decided to cooperate

914
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: with the government against Vow and Viviana. Syvianna and I

915
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: are looking at up to ten years in prison, and

916
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: that's a real number. It's part of the reason why

917
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: we wanted I wanted to share the story. These decisions

918
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: we make, no matter how they are or whatever we

919
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: try to fix, is coming at a cost. To this day,

920
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: we're still trying to make things right. We're still trying

921
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: to correct our wrongs and and you know, we might

922
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: get something right on one end and and failing and

923
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Everything comes to the price. We're sharing the story,

924
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: not to glamorize. If anything, we think they'd be like, wow,

925
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: you know what, they're doing the right thing by sharing

926
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: their stories. You can see how much suffering is. I

927
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: guess no one really understands that now that our husband's

928
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: cooperation really made people upset. They had p I is

929
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: in front of our house, and nobody understands exactly what.

930
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: You know, what we've been through because of our husband's cooperation,

931
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: and I feel like we're still letting do it. There's

932
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: this morning yeah on the lad thinking that we were

933
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: seeing how four ls were sitting there discussing some issues,

934
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: and at that moment of the bathroom scenario came back

935
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: into our minds. You know what worry talking about coming

936
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: in and cooperating. I guess what we're actually staying at,

937
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:43,799
Speaker 1: like the bathrooms, like right there, and we were actually talking.

938
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: We did have a laugh about something that wasn't so

939
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: good to hear and battery point, Hey, it seems like

940
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: we're stilling that Washington, you know, the we're sitting on

941
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: the bad and we're talking and we're like talking about

942
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: today was court, and we're talking about mine and the

943
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: Vianna sentence and my brother in law and where it's

944
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: just like trying to wrap her head around it, and

945
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, this is exactly where we were Mexican two.

946
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: It feels like it's kind of where's you down a

947
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 1: lot to just keep continue going through things and do

948
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: not not only now, but throughout the whole sentence and

949
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: through everything. And I looked back sometimes and I look

950
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: at my brother. I think the other scenario was just

951
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: like this sentence wise back home, don't like live your

952
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 1: life and let me and my brother justus do what

953
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: we're doing and just whatever it happens happens. Becausepecially, I

954
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: don't know if that would have been any better. I'm

955
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: grateful for my family, but you know, that situation is

956
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: always like that question when we have been worse off

957
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: of when ye have been better. My attorney today, I

958
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: had a conversation with him this morning and he just

959
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: was trying to put everything into perspective, and he was

960
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 1: just saying that it's just really hard to understand what

961
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: me and Viv being mothers, being wives, and everything we've

962
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: been through, and our husband's basically have a life sentence

963
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: because of the way that we have to live our lives.

964
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: It's never gonna go away. And for us to be

965
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: facing the time that we're facing, he just can't understand it.

966
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 1: It's just hard for anyone to fathom, right. I definitely

967
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: feel like it's a life sentence for all of us

968
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: as far as um present time. I feel like that

969
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: hurts even more because the crazy thing is is I

970
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: think that at some points how we've always, like Jay said,

971
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: lived with fear, and it's almost like it's part of

972
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: our life. I feel like I don't have any regrets.

973
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: I feel like this is where I'm at, this is

974
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be, and I take responsibility. I

975
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: take accountability for all my wrongs, all my rights. I

976
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: think that it's made me into a stronger person. I

977
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: feel like it's made us all, you know, resilient and strong.

978
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: But I think that it's just us not being together

979
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: is the scariest part of it all. As things stunned

980
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: at the end of production on this season, the trial

981
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: for Viviana Evolve is set for mid Keep It Here

982
01:11:50,800 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: the epic next season has come. On the next season

983
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: of Surviving El Chapo, the twins who brought down a

984
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: drug lord. Here the next part of Pete and J's

985
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: story and find out what happens as the Florest family

986
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: continue to face the consequences of their decision. As soon

987
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: as I said to one of the door they lack it.

988
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: It's a special unit for cooperators. They take me there

989
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, excuse me, for how long am I

990
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: here for? And she said for good. Here I am

991
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: transferred to new prison and I get putting in style

992
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: and I was supposed to be alone, and then they

993
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: came like, oh, you're gonna have a selling make room.

994
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: He should be here any minute. When he gets here,

995
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: I look at like, oh my god, I know you.

996
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: I'm with Sammy the ball. It's the worst place. The

997
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: food is cooked by the inmates. So every time they

998
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: send the food trades up, they come with a little

999
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: special surprice. I'm talking about every time if it's going

1000
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: to be a dead rat, roaches, who knows what they

1001
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: do to the food. It was like that in terms

1002
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 1: of a week. I remember that she gets up to

1003
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: call the baby bottle. We're rinsing the bottle in the bathroom, right,

1004
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: so Peter, I'm gonna come in. I remember, just walk

1005
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: into the bathroom. I just missed her so much. Yeah,

1006
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: so we got busy in what happened to that man.

1007
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: He was taken to a tennant ranch. They found his

1008
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 1: vehicle and it's a threat. It was called I'm nervous.

1009
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't find my comfortable spot, I'm cold

1010
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: in my mouth is so dry. And I could see

1011
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: like the defense table off to the left, and here

1012
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: comes the juror and they walk in and then right

1013
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: away soon as they walk in there they're looking at

1014
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: the witnesses. They don't stop staring at you. I'm sitting

1015
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: there like nervous, and they're not looking I see that

1016
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 1: they're They're landing Choplin and my staringtist like he smiling,

1017
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: saying hello everybody. He calms and he turned around. He

1018
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: staring right at me. He's just staring him. M h.

1019
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: And we'll bring you all the latest with val and

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: Viviana's trial. There's only somebody can take. Make sure you

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01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,920
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