1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're still on island time. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal in the Chris Westling podcast studio with 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: a pair of a surprising pair of guests, Jordan Rodrigue 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: of The Athletic and Ross Tucker of a Million Ross 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: Tucker named podcasts. 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Ross. 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is awesome. I'm out here for the They 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: used to call it the broadcast Bootcamp. 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: I thought they still did. 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: They don't know, that's the Broadcasting and Media Workshop. So 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 3: it's something bay change. I actually went. I went to 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: the first one they ever had, two thousand and seven 13 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 3: NFL films while I was still a player. I did 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 3: a million terrible things. Yet I still have a career 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: in the media, which is nice. And I'm a huge 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 3: fan of Jordan and the work that she does, so 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 3: it's very cool to be all with her. 18 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 4: So I think we made Greg feel really left out. 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: Ross. 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 4: We might have to apologize him because Ross and I 21 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 4: spent the first five minutes of studio time, as you were, 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 4: like busy trying to put a show together, fangirling over 23 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 4: each other. 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: So I love it, and I love I love like 25 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: the instant pressure that this podcast has because We're taping 26 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: this during broadcast boot camps lunch break, which like started 27 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: a little late, so we are on the clock here 28 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: that we have to finish this show quickly, and yet 29 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: we have three of the biggest honkers that I've ever 30 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: seen who just like like to talk a lot. I 31 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: know that because you know, Ross and I go way back. 32 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: I believe we were once on like a Yes Network 33 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: show together, like one or two that I that I 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: was on where I was a fantasy football guy. We 35 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: were definitely on some NBC Sports Channel shows together, and 36 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: that network doesn't even exist anymore. And Ross had such 37 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: a signature time at our friend Matt Casey's wedding that 38 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: whenever my wife Amica hears his voice doing a game 39 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: on TV, she's like, oh, I recognize that voice. 40 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: I recognize that voice from the wedding. That's awesome. 41 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: And Jordan, I appreciate that you looked happy to see 42 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: me when we said, jother, it's spend a couple weeks, 43 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: which is actually the longest I believe we haven't seen 44 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: each other since you've started here at NFL Daily. But 45 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: I have to be real with the audience and we're 46 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: going to get going. I took a vacation this week. 47 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: I was gone from Friday to Wednesday. We put up 48 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: some shows that were in the can. So to me, 49 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm such a news person, I feel weird about it. 50 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: So we are going to like try to catch up 51 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: on a little bit of news and then I'm going 52 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: to hear what we're calling your ideal draft where you 53 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: go first round, second round, third round, and we're going 54 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: to do this all in a quick amount of time. 55 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: Let's start. So he says, yeah, we don't have any options. 56 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: Ross literally has to teach like the future great broadcasters 57 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: of America. And I told Ross this separately, but broadcaster 58 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: like Ross has always been great and he fills a 59 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: lot of different roles. But I really love seeing like 60 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: his development as like a color guy on these big 61 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: games because I think he is better now. He's just 62 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: hitting his broadcasting prime right now. 63 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: Well, I'll just say every time they announced that, I'm 64 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: like getting a bump up at CBS or whatever I'm doing. 65 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 3: You always either text me or send a tweet. And 66 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: I know that you watch every game, So it means 67 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: a lot when people that I know that actually watch 68 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 3: the games appreciate what I do to it. It means 69 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: more than you know that someone that I know that. 70 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 3: It's not like my mom My, mom doesn't. 71 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: Even watch you were so good, Ross, Like. 72 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: Mom, you didn't even watch. You just watched the first 73 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 3: thirty seconds when I'm on camera and then he turned 74 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: to a Lifetime movie. You don't even watch me like 75 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: Greg at least watches. 76 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: Greg's like parsing your cadence and every breath that you take. 77 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: No I studies these I learned things from Ross and 78 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: that's the important thing. You can tell. He really does 79 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: the work. 80 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, you should check out the Ross Tucker football 81 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: program every day Ross Tucker Daily. He was first in 82 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: the Daily Game, essentially the podcast during the season. Let's 83 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: talk news, though, let's talk this is just I don't 84 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: even know if I want to call this news, but 85 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: it's the most recent thing that I saw pop up, 86 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: and it was TJ Watches throwing up a peace sign 87 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: on Instagram. And there's no reporting around it yet, but 88 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: it does show potentially to me, Ross, I don't even 89 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: know if you know about this one that like there's 90 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: something going on there between his contract situation with the Steelers. 91 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: I would be a little stunned if anything popped up. 92 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: But if you just took a step back, it actually 93 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't be that crazy to me for the Steelers to 94 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: entertain the idea of trading TJ. 95 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: Watt. 96 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: But we can't be given that good content, can't we? 97 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: All right, hold on a second, two things. Number one, 98 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: this is one of the issues when you elect to 99 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: trade for DK Metcalf and give him that much money, 100 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: and you're paying a guy that much that's never done 101 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: anything for your organization. Whereas TJ. Watt, he's been your 102 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 3: best player pretty much since day one, and he's done 103 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: the last year of his deal, and he is seeing 104 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 3: what Miles Garrett and these other guys are getting Max Crosby, 105 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: and he said, wait minute, Miles Garrett had a couple 106 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: of years left on his deal. Max Crosby had a 107 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: couple of years left. This is my last year. What 108 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: about me? So that's someone and Greg, I actually totally 109 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: agree with you there. It's not going to happen because 110 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: it's not the Steeler way. But there is a universe 111 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: where the Steelers recognize they're not really going anywhere unless 112 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: they have a legitimate quarterback, especially in the AFC, and 113 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: they trade TJ. Watt for something. I don't know if 114 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: that's a quarterback or picks or whatever, but they decide 115 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: we're not even if they get Aaron Rodgers this year, 116 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: like what's the upside one playoff win? Maybe like they 117 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 3: win a playoff game. There is a scenario where people realize, 118 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: let's not get Rogers, Let's go with Mason Rudolph or 119 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: a rookie. Let's trade TJ. Watt, and let's try to 120 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 3: rebuild this thing from the ground up. It's just not 121 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: the Steeler away. 122 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: But I think too the duality of these scenarios here, 123 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 4: we have to factor in the time. Right the time 124 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: of this post off season programming is starting for some 125 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 4: teams with new coaches, and we'll be starting for other 126 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 4: teams very soon. If you are going to say potentially 127 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 4: hold out of that programming, that's when you start posting 128 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 4: things to your social media accounts making it clear where 129 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 4: you stand. There are two scenarios here that I think 130 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 4: are very plausible that the Steelers probably are and should 131 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 4: be thinking about. If you bring in Rogers, you're like, okay, 132 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 4: maybe we adjust TJ. Watt's steal. You play on that 133 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five deal, we revisit the conversation after that, 134 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,239 Speaker 4: because we maybe get one good year out of Rogers 135 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: at it yet to be determined number. So then once 136 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 4: you have that number in your building, you know what 137 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 4: you can do with TJ. Watt to sort of say, like, 138 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 4: we're going to go all in for this season on 139 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 4: the last year of your contract. Revisit it after or 140 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 4: as you're saying, which I know is not the steal away, 141 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 4: but you don't get Rogers and now you're going to 142 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 4: go with a rookie or a Mason Rudolph And now 143 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: you think, okay, we got a clean house on some 144 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 4: of the older players on their defensive side. 145 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: It's not what they do. But he's he's thirty years old, 146 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: which kind of snuck up on me. There was like 147 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: a sort of a hipster tape watching group last year 148 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: that was like, well, if you think about it, like 149 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: by the numbers and maybe why what you see you 150 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: could argue that TJ. Watt was the fourth best pass 151 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: rusher on the Steelers last year. 152 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: That on a personap basis. 153 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: You did argue that Nick KRBCT well it was just like. 154 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: The I am the hipster Nick Herbig, who was awesome, 155 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: and Alex High Smith, who was awesome, and then obviously 156 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: Cam Hayward who plays a different position but well. 157 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,119 Speaker 3: Also, by the way, Cam had a contract situation last 158 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: year and he was vocal about it and he wasn't 159 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: happy and they ended up getting that done. 160 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: I think they get it done. 161 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: But it is interesting that he is at the point 162 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: of his career that you could you could get a 163 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: lot for him. And I don't know, They're an interesting 164 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: team to watch over draft weekend because we've been talking 165 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: about how George Pickens I still not totally convinced is 166 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: on this team in twenty twenty five, and so we 167 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: will see just just a situation to watch, and it 168 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of his brother, JJ Watt, 169 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: who was not above really was sort of an original 170 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: guy to use social media occasionally to send messages either 171 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: to teams or just about himself or whatever. And so 172 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: why not have TJ Watt act like a wide receiver. 173 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: Jack Jones cut by the Raiders. We're catching up, so, 174 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: like I said, we haven't done news on the show 175 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: each so we'll fly through the quick but I just 176 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: wanted to kind of mention that Jack Jones was cut 177 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: by the Raiders, who was a starting cornerback for them, 178 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: and then we did kind of close a circle on 179 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: the Geno contract, which people made a big deal out of, 180 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: really wasn't that much better over two years than Sam Darnold. 181 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: But the main thing is it guaranteed him fifty eight 182 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: million dollars. He makes forty million in year one, and 183 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: he's with Pete Carroll and he's with Pete Carroll eighteen 184 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: guarantees him eighteen million dollars in year tease, So that 185 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: was a difference between him and the Raiders and what 186 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: Seattle was going to do. But it is crazy ross 187 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: like in an era where money and all this stuff. 188 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: It really sounds like the personal connection between Gino and 189 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll is a big reason why they didn't really 190 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: negotiate much with the Seahawks. He said, Pete Carroll was 191 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: calling him on a weekly basis. They were talking during 192 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: last season and like coaching him up and like putting 193 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: him in a better headspace because he was all messed 194 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: up about his money and the lack of a contract 195 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: he was getting from Seattle, and like Pete Carroll was 196 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: essentially helping out the Seahawks getting his mind right to 197 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: play better for the Seahawks while he wasn't even the 198 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: Seahawks coach. 199 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: Are you sure about that? Because when I read that 200 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: story and when I heard Geno talking about how they 201 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: talk all the time and Pete Carroll was there for him, 202 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 3: Pete Carroll's not happy that the Seahawks moved on from him. 203 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 3: Pete Carroll wanted to continue to coach the Seahawks. So 204 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: I'm picturing Pete Carroll saying that is disrespectful, not knowing, 205 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 3: not knowing he was going to go to the Raiders, 206 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: but saying, how could they treat you like this? You're 207 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 3: the reason why they got to the playoffs. They're not. 208 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: They don't want to guarantee any money in the second year. 209 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: I wouldn't even negotiate because Gino said that the Seahawks 210 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: offered a contract and his agent didn't even counter. Yeah, 211 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: Like he wanted to go, He wanted to leave and 212 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 3: go somewhere else. 213 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 2: He wanted to go to Pete. He wanted to go 214 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: to Pete Carroll. 215 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: Tired of the year to year right, so at least 216 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 3: he feels about secure about his second year with the Raiders, 217 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: whereas the Seahawks very clearly want to do this one 218 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: year at a time at quarterback. 219 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, my colleague Michael Sean Jugar has a book coming 220 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 4: out about the Legion of Era Seattle Seahawks. Very excited 221 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: about that. But he's outlined some of this to me, 222 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 4: whether he was there seeing it firsthand or also just 223 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 4: talking to me about it over time. Pete Carroll is 224 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 4: the one that had the relationships in the building, not 225 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 4: John Schneider. And John Schneider has done some great things 226 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 4: as a GM and has done some questionable things, particularly 227 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 4: upfront as a GM, but also the players they connect 228 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 4: with Pete Carroll. If there are no ties left really 229 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: for you in that building, from the coaching staff to 230 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 4: the front office, and those ties exist somewhere else, absolutely, 231 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: I can see why this domino effect happens. 232 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: Right, And I mean there are ties with the players, 233 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: and he rebuilt his career there and he said he 234 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: enjoyed playing under Mike McDonald. I think just this everything 235 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: coming together with him having this opportunity with Pete Carroll 236 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: gives me a new team to root for. Tree McBride 237 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: got big money since we last like taped the live show. 238 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: That was like literally as we were walking out the 239 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: building last time, forty three million dollars guaranteed four years, 240 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: sixty seventy six million dollars overall. I still remember him 241 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: as this kind of lost sort of rookie on the 242 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: all or Nothing series that only I watched. I think 243 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: that was the last dollar nothing series of the Arizona Cardinal, 244 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: and he was just like this fish out of water 245 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: who really wasn't doing anything in his career at that 246 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: point and now one of the best tight ends in 247 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: the league. The Jaguars picked up the fifth year option 248 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: for Trayvon Walker. I thought that was interesting that they 249 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: did that, but they didn't do it for linebacker Devin Lloyd. 250 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: Give it. 251 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: I just want to test Ross here. What does your 252 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd take see with no preparation? Do you have 253 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: an opinion about Devin Lloyd? 254 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that he's probably been disappointing. I think 255 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: Trayvon Walker on some level has been I think I 256 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: think they've both been fine. But there's a reason why 257 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: the GM's not there anymore that you clearly have people 258 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: to compare them to, Like they could have taken Aiden 259 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: Hutchinson and they went Trayvon Walk. I'll I'll say this, 260 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: Trayvon quietly has been pretty good to lack gotten better 261 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 3: and better he's got and which is what the hope 262 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: was with his physical ability. I think linebacker's tough for 263 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: the fifth year option because of the number involved, and 264 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: I think they'd rather take their chance to see. My 265 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: favorite thing about it is I think the quote was 266 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,119 Speaker 3: because there's a new GM and head coach in Jacksonville, 267 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 3: we want to get to know him better, Like the 268 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: day after they do the fifth year option for Trayvon Walker, 269 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: the Devin Lloyd is we want to get to know him. Like, wait, 270 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 3: I don't understand, like the new GM and head coach 271 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: don't need to get to know Trayvon Walker better. 272 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: Also, you only have two more weeks to get to 273 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: know him before you have to make this fifth It's 274 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: a nice way of saying we're not going to do it. 275 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: See that's why if people that were attending the broadcast 276 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: boot camp should pay attention to Ross what he did 277 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: right there. I put him on the spot with a 278 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: tough question number one. He answered it, but then he 279 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: answered what would have been a better question, which is 280 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: about Trayvon Walker, a more interesting question, and then he 281 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: made a point about the linebacker money which is not 282 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: exactly answering that question, but it's more interesting than anything 283 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: I asked in the first place. 284 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: And that's why he's a pro. 285 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 4: Somehow, it still came back to you in the ES. 286 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: Well, they all do. 287 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: Let's talk about a couple of just quick retirements. Toron 288 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: Armstead retired from the Miami Dolphins. We thought this might 289 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: be coming. It puts them in a little bit of 290 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: a tough spot. They are an an organization. 291 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 4: You know what they are. They don't know what they are. 292 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: What do you think they are? 293 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 4: I think there are two people on the hot seat 294 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 4: entering this season who have to start drafting and identifying 295 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 4: talent that could potentially be an escape patch, a backup plan. 296 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 4: You have to show Stephen Ross that you have a 297 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 4: Plan B this time around if things go haywire with 298 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 4: your Plan A, as it has multiple seasons in a row, 299 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: and you. 300 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 3: Really can't say anything Stephen Ross because he gets eight 301 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: pluses across the board from the NFLPA report card, Like, 302 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: it's not meris career, it's you. 303 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: I always say something if you're a Dolphins fan, which 304 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: is that the Stephen Ross era has been largely disappointing. 305 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: It's been. 306 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: It's been a lot of seven and nine, seven and tens. 307 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: Now it hasn't been you know, including any playoff wins. 308 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: That's pretty disappointed. 309 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: I always have a theory about like the Dolphins and 310 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: the Chargers, especially when they were in San Diego. Those 311 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 3: teams are always like talented but they're oft injured. There's 312 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: something about being in these incredible weather locations. I don't 313 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: know what it is, but they always fall short of expectations. 314 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: They're always talented, but disappointing and oft injured. I don't 315 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: know San Diego Chargers and Miami Dolphins. Now it's the 316 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: LA Chargers. They're like the same team to me. 317 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: They that is a great point. 318 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: I do want to give some love to Toronto Armstead, 319 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: who surprisingly to me, actually didn't make as many like 320 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: all pro teams as I expected. But that was because 321 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: of the injuries throughout his career that he couldn't stay 322 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: on the field. But when he was on the field, 323 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, one of the best at what he did 324 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: change that Saints team for a long time and the 325 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: Dolphins team. You could see very clear ab testing when 326 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: Armstead was on the field the last handful of years, 327 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: they were a different offense than when he wasn't. So 328 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: he's a big guy to replace, but happy trails to him, 329 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: Happy trails to Julio Jones, who also officially retired your sign. 330 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 4: I have a great Hulu Jones story. He has changed 331 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 4: the way that a lot of young assistants who have 332 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 4: come through the Shanahan coaching tree actually coach receivers, like 333 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 4: his existence changed the way that they communicate their techniques, 334 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: the way that they communicate their offensive scripts, their offensive plans, 335 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 4: how they install things. Because he was so like cerebrally 336 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 4: elite at speaking this language that translated across the entire offense. 337 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 4: And so Micha Lafleur told me this story once where 338 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 4: he was coaching in Atlanta, and you know, he's trying 339 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 4: to explain this offense and like how many yards downfield 340 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: he wants the receivers to run before they break inward, 341 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: and he's explaining it in these terms that he had 342 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 4: come up with, that he had coached with before, that 343 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 4: were like the hard and fast methods that this is 344 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 4: how you say it, and this is you don't explain why, 345 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 4: and this is what you say. And Julio was sort 346 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 4: of in the mix being like not really doing the 347 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 4: thing that Mike was saying, very specifically in Mike's own mind, 348 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: and Mike was like, I'm I have to be wrong here, 349 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 4: Like I'm wrong because if this guy, this absolutely elite 350 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: player who is so gifted and actually could translate any 351 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 4: concept to either any side of the ball, to anybody, 352 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 4: if he's doing it this way, then I can't be 353 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: doing it this way. I have to do it a 354 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 4: completely different way, and I have to change the way 355 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 4: that I speak and the way that I think, and 356 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: that has a trickle out effect to a lot of 357 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: other people that were sort of in the orbit of 358 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 4: those buildings at the time. And I just think that's fast, 359 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 4: like the ripple effect that one person, one player can have, 360 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 4: not just in the league's history, but in the way 361 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 4: things are taught and explained within the league's history. 362 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: Real quick. I just love that you brought up those 363 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 3: two guys. A pet peeve of mine is like, I 364 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: don't know why Julio did it on something I've never 365 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: heard of on a Friday afternoon. 366 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: And Toronto Julio Jones, Yeah, and Toronto. 367 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: A Saturday night at a party. We just move on, 368 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: Like those guys had unbelievable careers, right, you played double 369 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: digit ears. They both made well over one hundred million dollars. 370 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: They both went to a bunch of Pro Bowls. Yet 371 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: the way we are is like, oh okay, and you 372 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 3: just move on, right, Like, I am glad even though 373 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 3: it's like a week later or whatever it is now, 374 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: I'm glad that we are giving those guys their due 375 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: because they deserve. 376 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things. 377 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Julio Jones one of the best wide receivers I've ever 378 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: seen at his peak, and he had a six year 379 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: run where he had at least fourteen hundred yards in 380 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: every one of those seas. They're actually the sixth year 381 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: he had thirteen hundred and ninety four, led the league 382 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: and receiving with eighteen hundred and seventy one yards one year, 383 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: and led the league with sixteen hundred yards another year, 384 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: like five straight where he's on an All Pro team. 385 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: He is an all timer. And that catch he made 386 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl to put them in field goal 387 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: range from Matt Ryan. As great a throw as it 388 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: was from Matt Ryan, it was an even better catch 389 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: and it should have been one of the all time 390 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: moments that any receiver has ever had in a Super Bowl. 391 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, then what happened. 392 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: It didn't work out. 393 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: But that's the thing, that's why it sucks being a 394 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: receiver because it has nothing to do with Julio Jones 395 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: like he did it. Forget David Tyree. I mean, you 396 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: couldn't do that again. Julio Jones was all skill like 397 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: that was the best player at his position, making the 398 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: biggest play in the biggest of moments, and because the 399 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: rest of the team couldn't finish it out, like, it 400 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: doesn't get remembered that way, but it gets remembered by 401 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: me who he was the man. So I'm glad you 402 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: pointed that out because I did want to mention that quickly. 403 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: Just a couple other items, then we're going to take 404 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: a break. The Chargers sign Trey Lance. Just thought that 405 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: was interesting. So he's not going to the UFL. I 406 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: can fix him, yes, but he'll be the third quarterback 407 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: there behind Taylor Heineke and Justin Herbert Allen Lazard is 408 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: staying with the Jets on less money. On Thursday, the 409 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: Colts released Matt Gay, who was the highest paid kicker 410 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: in the at one point. 411 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 4: World champion Matt Gay that's absolutely right. 412 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: My daughter's favorite player for a long time. That Gase 413 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: still drafts. 414 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 4: Sean McVay never actually knew his name. He just referred 415 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 4: to him as jacked kicker. 416 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: That's rude, h And you mentioned it. The off season 417 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: program has started around the league. Like there are players 418 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: lifting weights. I get football is back. 419 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: I used to love the off season program. Why because 420 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: after a couple months back living in my parents' house 421 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania. Okay, and as much as I love that, 422 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 3: you know, I'm twenty two to twenty eight, I go 423 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: back to Pennsylvania. I was ready to get to the city. 424 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: You could afford an apartment though I. 425 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: Could, but nobody stays around, like after those couple months 426 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: after the season, It's like the facility's a dead zone. Right, 427 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 3: So I'd go home. It was great. My mom would 428 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 3: make me meals and I'd go out and whatever. Right, 429 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 3: So then I'd go back. And first of all, you 430 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 3: get like one hundred and eighty bucks a day or 431 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 3: whatever it is. I know that sounds like nothing, but 432 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: when you're in your twenties, I would think about all 433 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: my buddies were paying fifty bucks to go to Gold's gym. 434 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 3: I'm getting one hundred and eighty dollars to do what 435 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: I have to do anyway, which is work out for 436 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 3: lifting for football. And I would go there and have breakfast, 437 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 3: I would have lunch. I would pack up whatever lunch 438 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: I didn't have, I would pack up something else. That 439 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 3: would be my dinner. So three delicious, three delicious healthy 440 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 3: meals getting for that. 441 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 2: I remember you were with the Cardinals and they would yes, 442 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: I remember. 443 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: So, Greg, You guys appreciate this real quick. When I 444 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: resigned with New England one year deal two thousand and six, Okay, 445 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 3: my wife and I had just gotten married, so we're 446 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 3: both like twenty six. So she moves up. They have 447 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: some apartment complex and Cumberland, Rhode Island. So my wife, 448 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: who's very much a working woman, for that year, she 449 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: says she was a real housewife of Cumberlin, Rhode Island. Right, 450 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 3: all you do is lyft weight, It's Mondays, your Thursday, 451 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: that's it every week. And Cape Cod Martha's Vineyard. Hell, yeah, Nantucket, Newport. 452 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: We're like, we're both in Pennsylvania. We're like we're never 453 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 3: living here again. It was unbelievable, like it was. It 454 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 3: was like the whole off season. It was one of 455 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 3: the greatest six months. Stretches of money, Lift Weights, Money 456 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 3: to Thursday and then have incredible weekends. We're on Martha's vineyard. 457 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 3: My sister had just had my niece Caroline. We're singing 458 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: Sweet Caroline karaoke. The place is going crazy. We had 459 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 3: no idea that was the Red Sox theme song. My 460 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: wife and I so we're looking at each other like 461 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 3: we are awesome. He love us, We're the greatest thing. 462 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: We had no idea it's the Red Sox like seventh 463 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: Inning stretch song or something. 464 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 4: I wonder if Ross ever voyage to your restaurant where 465 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 4: you the. 466 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: Cea shanty where I was a waiter and did in 467 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyards from like two thousands. 468 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 469 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: I don't like to repeat that story too often here, 470 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: but I yes, I did catch myself like staring out 471 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: into the boats on the water, and then another waiter 472 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: was like, dude, you've been staring at for like thirty seconds. 473 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 4: Maybe during that time Ross came in and ate and then. 474 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: Last you brought fire. 475 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 476 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: I was a little bit before Ross was there. I'm 477 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 1: a little I'm a little older than Ross's and it 478 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: was a choice. Ross, by the way, for you to 479 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: still be living at your parents. I don't cast any 480 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: aspersions on it, but you didn't have to do that. 481 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: No, So when I was twenty two with the Redskins 482 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: Washington Now, the week after the season ended, I went 483 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: into lift weights. I thought it was like college. The 484 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: lights were too off, no coaches were there. I didn't 485 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: I didn't know that you didn't stay. Nobody told me 486 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 3: that you leave until the off season program starts. I 487 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: couldn't even get anybody who spot me. I was like, Okay, 488 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: I guess I'm going back to Pennsylvania because I still 489 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: had the apartment in Virginia. But what am I going 490 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: to do by myself there? 491 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 2: I know it's absolutely fair. I don't really know what 492 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: what that's like. Lifting weights went. 493 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: And hell they're doing they're doing meetings and stuff now too. 494 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: So we got Ben Johnson in the room with Caleb Williams. 495 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: They're doing meetings. All right, we're gonna take a quick break. 496 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna come back, and we're gonna do a little 497 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: exercise to find out some of Ross and Jordan's favorite players. 498 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: Right after this. 499 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: All right back on NFL Daily here with a wild tandem, 500 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: Ross Tucker, Jordan Rod works. 501 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: It absolutely works. 502 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things about doing this show 503 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: is just seeing the different combinations and bringing together smart 504 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: football people. And that's why I had an exercise that 505 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: I gave you two, which is that we're gonna do 506 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: an ideal draft. So it's it's a mock draft. It's 507 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: really Jordan's idea. And I can see the look that 508 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: she's giving me now. 509 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 4: Just was trying to, like, say, the idea that Greg 510 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 4: opted out of. 511 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 2: I am opting out of this. 512 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: I didn't have I didn't feel like I had good 513 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: interest and I and there's not a lot of time here, 514 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: and so I thought I would just listen to you guys. 515 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 2: You explain it. 516 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 4: Then, Yeah, this is an ideal draft for a team 517 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 4: about whom you can describe the circumstances within which they 518 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 4: enter the draft. 519 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: Oh okay, I found Greig had told me it was 520 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: a generic team. 521 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: It could be just generic. 522 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, Okay, that's what I did. I did a generic, 523 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 4: a generic, anonymous team. I just put a couple of 524 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 4: different parameters around it because I wanted to highlight the 525 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 4: people that I most like. Yes, yeah, so truly a 526 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 4: selfish extra. Okay, so I'm learning very well from you, honestly. 527 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 4: But yes, and so we only wanted to go rounds 528 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 4: one through three. Yeah, so why don't we kick it 529 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 4: off with you Ross? 530 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah, I'm going cam Ward ab Dual Carter, Travis Hunter. 531 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 3: It's the best. Now, I was like that, people are shocked. 532 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 4: Lost the threat of communications. 533 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 3: People were shocked at ab Dul Carter was still there 534 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: in my mock draft. 535 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: And now it is tricky. You have to like think 536 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: where am I drafting round two round for you? But 537 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: just somewhat realist. 538 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 3: All right, So what I will say is the two 539 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 3: guys that jumped out to me in the first round 540 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 3: that I couldn't possibly be higher on, and I know 541 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 3: they already get talked about a lot, right, I still 542 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: don't think we talk about Travis Hunter as much as 543 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: we should, thank you. Okay, you know I had Fran Duffy, 544 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 3: who you know, Greg? He came on one of my 545 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: shows this week, the Rosstucker Podcast. He in his database 546 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: evaluated two different players, Travis Hunter offensive player, Travis Hunter 547 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: defensive player. Both of them were among his top five prospects. 548 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 3: If he was two different human beings. Okay, Todd McShay, 549 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: who came on Rosstucker Podcast this week, has him as 550 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: the number one receiver, number one corner. I just can't 551 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: emphasize enough how nuts that is. Okay, I did Colorado. 552 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 3: I called Colorado Colorado State this past year. 553 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 4: Fun game it was. 554 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: And you know, going to Boulder for his practice. You 555 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 3: ever see like a center fielder that when there's like 556 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 3: a line driver a fly ball, just the way, the 557 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 3: graceful way that they make the catch, or like an 558 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 3: NBA player that like when they get to the rim 559 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 3: for a layup or a finger roll, It just it 560 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: just looks beautiful floats. He might have done that four 561 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 3: or five times in one practice where he's like double 562 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: covered and jumps earlier than the two dbs or jump. 563 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 3: I just thought this guy's unbelievable. I do think he'll 564 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: play both ways in the NFL. I think he has 565 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 3: to be in every defensive back meeting. I would say, 566 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 3: after offensive line, communication is the second most important in 567 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 3: the secondary. You have to be in those meetings, right 568 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 3: he had, so he'd be a full time corner now. 569 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 3: Because it's interesting because I've heard people say, well, if 570 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 3: the Browns take him, maybe he'd be they need him 571 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 3: at receiver, or if the Patriots take him, they need 572 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 3: him at receiver. That's really interesting because then you can't 573 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 3: really put him on defense, but people think that he 574 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 3: might be more ready to contribute offense. My point is, 575 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: I know he gets talked about a lot. I know 576 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: I won the Heisman. The guy was playing like one 577 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty snaps a game. The guy can't possibly 578 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 3: be in every meeting. I don't even we've never seen 579 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 3: this before or even close to it. I would say 580 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 3: I grew up outside of Philadelphia. I live right near 581 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 3: Penn State. I think Abdul Carter's fantastic. In my mind, 582 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 3: you cannot take Abdul Carter over Travis Hunter. You cannot. 583 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,479 Speaker 3: You cannot do it because of his ability to affect 584 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: both sides of the ball. 585 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: It's I've never believed that he was somehow going to 586 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: get the four at the Patriots. 587 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: It's just no way. Just was never. 588 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a two person draft at that level, 589 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: and cam Ward is thrown in there because he's the core, 590 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: so they're picking forth in like a three person draft essentially, 591 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: But just never make any sense that he would fall 592 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: past multiple teams, and I still wouldn't be surprised if 593 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: the Browns took him at too. 594 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: My biggest fear for Travis Hunter has nothing to do 595 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 4: with the caliber quality of a prospector player. He is, 596 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 4: by the way, also half of those games at altitude, 597 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 4: which also people don't talk about conditioning all of those snaps, 598 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 4: and that's hard. The air is quite thin. 599 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: I never thought of that. I'm gonna steal that from 600 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: now on. 601 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 4: Yours. 602 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: It's yours. 603 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 4: But my biggest concern is that an NFL team, particularly 604 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 4: the ones that frequently pick in the top ten, top 605 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 4: twelve of the draft, that team, I worry, will fail 606 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 4: Travis Hunter because they will not have designed the appropriate 607 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 4: and correct infrastructure internally where he's going to spend his 608 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,239 Speaker 4: time and meetings, how he's going to onboard twice as 609 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 4: much information in half the time so that he can 610 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 4: go out and execute and play on the same cadence 611 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 4: and schedule as everybody else. I worry about the organizational 612 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 4: like clarity and infrastructure for a player of his quality 613 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 4: and caliber. I want him. I don't want him to drop. 614 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: I just selfishly want to see him go to a 615 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 4: place that's got it, stuff together it. 616 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: It needs to be with an organization that has a 617 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: multi year plan. So you're talking about and I've heard 618 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: this a lot, and it makes sense, like the amount 619 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: of meeting time that he is going to need to 620 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: truly master either position, but especially for cornerbacking. 621 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 4: About how you teach it in a different way, I'm 622 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 4: not saying go and set. 623 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: It also could be like here's our plan for year one. 624 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: We're going to have you focus on getting better and 625 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: better at this and you have the meeting. Year two, 626 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: you're not going to have all that experience, and you're 627 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: going to have a longer offseason because you're not preparing 628 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: for the draft to okay, and then we're going to 629 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: add this part to your game into year two and 630 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: like and convince him and have a multi and that 631 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: can only happen with an organization that has stability. 632 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: And to Jordan's point, whether it's the Browns at two 633 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: or the Giants at three, they don't care at all 634 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 3: about twenty twenty six. I can assure you those guys 635 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: need to win in twenty twenty f So Honorable mentioned 636 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: My other first round guy would have been Tyler Warren 637 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 3: from Penn State. I watched his high school video because 638 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 3: I was doing some Penn State media at the time, 639 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 3: to watch him at quarterback and then they would like 640 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: get near the red zone, they'd put the backup quarterback in. 641 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 3: They would put Tyler at receiver and throw them fade 642 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 3: balls like he wears Umber forty four because his dad 643 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: told him too, because of John Riggins, Like I couldn't 644 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 3: love Tyler Warren Moore like you had me at John Riggins, 645 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Okay, So it was my 646 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 3: first round pick. The two guys on in the second round, 647 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 3: believe it or not, DB's okay. Benjamin Morrison from Notre Dame. 648 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 3: I've had multiple people tell me he's the best corner 649 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 3: they've ever seen it. Nerdame best corner at least in 650 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 3: the last twenty five years. Nor Dame got hurt this 651 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 3: past year. Now he hasn't even worked out. He's you know, 652 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 3: work out like two days before the draft because of 653 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 3: the injury. But if you can get a guy mid 654 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: second round that people thought was a first pick and 655 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: is the best corner nerd name in twenty five years, 656 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: that says something to me. The other guy I liked 657 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 3: there would be the safety out of Texas Andrew mccooba. 658 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of guys that a take the 659 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 3: ball away like he did not do it, Clem, somebody 660 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 3: did do a Texas. But also the safety nickel versatility, 661 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 3: think Gardner Johnson. I've seen that first hand in Philly, 662 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: the value of having a guy that has corner like Nickel, 663 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 3: corner like skills but can play safety. So those are 664 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 3: my two second round guys. In the third round, I 665 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 3: like two Jacks. Okay, okay. The first guy, Jack Besh, 666 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 3: the receiver. I'm calling this right now. Okay, Jack Besh, 667 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 3: First of all, we all know his older brother, Tiger 668 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 3: Princeton football player like me, passed away tragically. I'm calling 669 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 3: my shot right now. The La Rams, Jordan rod Rieg's 670 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: La Ram are drafting Jack Besh and he's gonna win 671 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: the third Annual Cooper Cup. Puka Nikoua, how did he 672 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: fall to the third round and how did Sean McVeigh 673 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: get him? I watch him and I'm like, this guy 674 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: is gonna be like Poka ni cool, like he's gonna 675 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: go to the Rams. 676 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: I don't understand why he's gonna fall that far. And 677 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: you're right that that is sort of where he's getting 678 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: pre third round and I think the more people watch him, 679 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: the takeaway from the tape is all what you said, 680 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: and that's it's typical of this draft. And that's why 681 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: I think you can credibly say that's your ideal third 682 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: round pick, because he's a believable third round pick, because 683 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: that's where the strength of this receiver class is that 684 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: there's so many that some of them aren't gonna get 685 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: taken in the top fifty to fifty five picks even 686 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: though it seems like they deserve it. So that might 687 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: push the first round wide receivers down because teams are 688 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: just gonna wait until round two three. 689 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 3: The other Jacks are the other Jack is just Jack Sawyer. 690 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 3: Those guys make it in the NFL. And I know 691 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: the Sam Hubbard thing has gone a million times. He 692 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 3: reminds you of Sam Howard, but he does like guys 693 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 3: like that, He's going to find a way to be 694 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 3: an above average starter in the NFL. 695 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: Jack Sawyer a lot of disagreement on those. There are 696 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: some people that watch Jack Sawyer statement just say that 697 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: is not an NFL player. That is like a that 698 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: is a late Day three undrafted type of pick that's 699 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: getting this. 700 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 4: It's his ideal college, it's his ideal pick. 701 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 2: I'm just so interested on that out there. 702 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 3: He was like a top five high school project. 703 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, Well two years we have to 704 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: run out here. 705 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 4: We've got to let Ross go, I think. But I 706 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 4: want to make sure to rip through mine too. So 707 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 4: mine was for a team with a late career veteran 708 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 4: quarterback on the roster. Wow, who could that be? Picking 709 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 4: outside of the top ten Round one Matthew Golden from Texas. 710 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 4: He has been in a couple of different schemes which 711 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 4: I like. He also knows how to He's like the 712 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 4: perfect player to exploit horizontal and vertical space on the 713 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 4: field because he's used as a motion player. He often 714 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 4: was the Z but he can do a lot of 715 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 4: different things on the perimeter as well. And I know 716 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 4: the knock on him is his size, but I think 717 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 4: speed helps with size deficiencies in some ways. I think 718 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 4: if you are looking at potentially replacing your quarterback in 719 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 4: the next couple of years, which the team I'm talking 720 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 4: about is, then you want to make sure that you're 721 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 4: maximizing the veteran years of that quarterback while also building 722 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 4: a foundation for the younger player. So round two, I've 723 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 4: got Tyler Schuck from I think he's a really gifted. 724 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 3: Quote unquote younger player. 725 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 4: Well, so I don't care about the old thing. 726 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 727 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 4: That's the thing. I wrote this out so like, and 728 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 4: I was thinking about this. I was getting really fired 729 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 4: up when I was doing my notes on this, probably 730 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 4: because I've spent too much time with the RAM scouting department, 731 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 4: because they do not care about old players or short arms. 732 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 4: So he throws well on the move, and I know 733 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 4: he could be twenty six or twenty seven by the 734 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 4: time he starts. I don't care he I like he's 735 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 4: seen a ton of football. I like that he's only started, 736 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 4: you know, eight or less games until the final year 737 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 4: of his college career, which is not the same type 738 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 4: of wear and tear on the body. 739 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 2: That acordad right, because he's always hurt. 740 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 4: Playing a ton of a ton of time. I think 741 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 4: if you can get the medicals cleared and you can, 742 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 4: you have a player who's not going to take the 743 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 4: type of abuse that we sometimes do get worried about 744 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 4: with with older prospects. Like, I think that that's a fit. 745 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 4: I like that he's seen stuff. I like that he 746 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 4: understands multiple schemes and multiple things, and so I think 747 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 4: that the right team with a two year plan, maybe 748 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 4: with their current starter, is going to gravitate toward him. 749 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 4: And for that reason, also if you're looking at a 750 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 4: long term replacement, one of my draft crushes is in 751 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 4: the third round Boston College offensive tackle Ozzie Trapilo. Oh. 752 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 4: He's a gap scheme guy and his own scheme guy. 753 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 4: He's a fit, he's a starter. He also is super disciplined. 754 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 4: No penalties in his three years as a starter. I 755 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 4: know you gotta love that. I feel like you've got 756 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 4: and he's on the right right tackle. 757 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: You know what that reminds me of. That's like someone 758 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 3: that has a four point zero gpm, like you might 759 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: have been studying a little bit too much, Like do 760 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: you really want a four point zero gpa and college? 761 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 3: Do you really want to never have one penalty? Give 762 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 3: me one unnecessary run, like. 763 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: If anything, not getting enough fouls and like a youth 764 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: basketball game, you're doing it wrong. 765 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 4: That's why you got to get him and sit him 766 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 4: as a swing guy behind somebody who's already playing, and 767 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 4: you got to make him mean a little bit meaner. 768 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: You gotta a little bit, a little bit, I'm feeling 769 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: mean right now because we got to end this thing. 770 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: Ross has gotta go. We gotta get out of here. 771 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: That's it for this show. 772 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: I loved having you guys in and I love the 773 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 1: the intensity with which happened with just having a deadline 774 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: on here. 775 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: But they're saying, like, we gotta. 776 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: Get the important part people, Let's do it. That was 777 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: it for today's show. Just a little extra for you. 778 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: We will be back on Monday. We're going to be 779 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: talking defensive draft prospects with Ali Connelly. I think he 780 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: likes some of the same guys that Ross does, including 781 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: the Macouba. And yes, when teams are back in the 782 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: building lifting weights again, I believe that's the original football 783 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 1: is back.