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Speaker 1: You can't win if you don't defend. Welcome Bird Gang.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, Zach Gershman joins me. Part two of

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Speaker 1: the Draft Primer series, Defense takes center stage. Check the

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Speaker 1: archives by the way for a discussion on the offense

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Speaker 1: and defensively. There are two position groups that have our attention,

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Speaker 1: Edge and Cornerback, plus the latest mock Draft Tracker and

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Speaker 1: Zach's story on a couple of teammates participating in the

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Speaker 1: NFL USO Tour in Poland. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode

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Speaker 1: seven five and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome. It's a Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: POA Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's a the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 3: So more Urry Magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Grieler.

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Speaker 1: A lot to get into, especially with the draft first, though,

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Speaker 1: a tip of the cap to a non Cardinals draft

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Speaker 1: pick finished his career with the Cardinals, however, and that

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Speaker 1: is Carson Palmer. It was announced on Wednesday, part of

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four Senior Bowl Hall of Fame two

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Speaker 1: thousand and three Senior Bowl alum the former first round

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Speaker 1: Much deserved, and I for one, am very happy for

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite Cardinals players, even though it was

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Speaker 1: later in his career, certainly did a lot of good

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Speaker 3: Ring of Honor member. So when you're able to, you know,

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Speaker 3: this is the part of people's careers where you get

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Speaker 3: to see the fruits of your labor start coming to fruition.

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Speaker 3: You want to see it on the field, obviously, and

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Speaker 3: we were able to see all the accolades that Carson

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Speaker 3: Palmer was able to put together, but the awards that

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Speaker 3: towards the latter half. And you know, fortunately that's another

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Speaker 3: And with Carson, there was he had a reputation before

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Speaker 3: he arrived here in Arizona. There was the divorce, if

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Speaker 3: you will, with Cincinnati. Things didn't go well with the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: And I'll say this because I can only judge people

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Speaker 3: how they deal with me. Carson could not have been

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Speaker 3: a better person, a better pro starting quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 1: So cornerback a high need. The other high need defensively

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Speaker 3: believe that. We've seen that they've made roster moves throughout

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Speaker 3: I do think though, personally, that a presence on the edge,

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Speaker 1: A little bit, all right, So high four cornerback, high

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Speaker 3: can't even imagine that being, you know, coming through my

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Speaker 3: For me growing up, Luke Keighley was like the middle linebacker.

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Speaker 1: Could just depend on how the draft board falls as well,

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Speaker 1: inside linebacker becomes that position, all right, safety And you

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Speaker 1: certainly don't expect Buddha Baker or Jalen Thompson to miss anytime.

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Speaker 3: to do it all at Iowa. If you're able to

434
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Speaker 3: bring him in you're addressing the corner position more than

435
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Speaker 3: the safety position. And to think about it, Buddha Baker,

436
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 3: in an off year for him, still made it to

437
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Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl. Jalen Thompson had a Pro Bowl worthy

438
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 3: season four interceptions, seventy eight tackles. He also had a

439
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Speaker 3: really solid year. This is just in year one of

440
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Speaker 3: the Nick Rolis defensive scheme to see how they could

441
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Speaker 3: ultimately evolve and develop in year two, and both of

442
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Speaker 3: them missed time as well with injuries. So that's why

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Speaker 3: I have it as a low need because you already

444
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Speaker 3: have a lot of the pieces intact already in the room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're breaking down, Okay, these are the positions

446
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: we want to target and target early in the draft.

447
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: Safety certainly is not one of those positions. Now, it

448
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: might be a position that you're looking on Day three

449
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: and we go back to that kickoff rule. What do

450
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: you want who do you want out there? Do you

451
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: want more athleticism? Do you want more of that cornerback,

452
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: wide receiver body type athletics athleticism that might benefit whether

453
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Speaker 1: that's kickoff coverage or kickoff return. And then again, it's

454
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Speaker 1: not a number of plays or a number of kickoffs

455
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Speaker 1: in a game, but you're guaranteed too, and you want

456
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Speaker 1: to make sure you're ready. In this new rule, it

457
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Speaker 1: might be just one kickoff that you can break off

458
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Speaker 1: forty forty five yards or a touchdown because everything is

459
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Speaker 1: so compact. And we heard Jonathan Gannon talk about it

460
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Speaker 1: earlier this week when he met the media, that that

461
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Speaker 1: return man is on those other bodies real quick, and

462
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Speaker 1: maybe it's a shifty back out there that can make

463
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Speaker 1: one or two people miss, and all of a sudden,

464
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Speaker 1: it's a long game because there's no one playing free safety,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, outside of the kicker, of course.

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Speaker 3: And in terms of the returner, you potentially already have

467
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Speaker 3: that in a Greg Dortch and a DJ Dallas that

468
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Speaker 3: they brought in through a free agency. There's a lot

469
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Speaker 3: of speed on this Cardinals roster. And now with that rule, though,

470
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Speaker 3: speed could only mean so much when you're only a

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Speaker 3: handful of yards away from the returner. Now you need

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Speaker 3: the players that are gonna be able to tackle, and

473
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Speaker 3: they gotta want to get physical because you are right

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Speaker 3: there on it. If Jonathan Gannon could make a handful

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Speaker 3: of tackles himself, and just as the coaches were walking

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Speaker 3: through what it could potentially look like with this kickoff rule.

477
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Speaker 3: You need somebody else that's also going to be able

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Speaker 3: on the field on Sundays, able to come in and

479
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Speaker 3: make a stop because you do need that thumper that

480
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Speaker 3: is going to be able to consistently tackle, and whether

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Speaker 3: that is in that safety room or potentially on cornerback.

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Speaker 3: Talking about versatility, Cooper de Gene he's like the versatility

483
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Speaker 3: king of this draft because of all the different stuff

484
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Speaker 3: that he did at Iowa. I'm not sure if that

485
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Speaker 3: says more about Iowa than it does about Cooper dejen

486
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Speaker 3: but maybe that's some big ten slander on my end.

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Speaker 3: I do know though, he was a solid returner for

488
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Speaker 3: the Iowa Hawkeyes out there as a punt returner, kick returner.

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Speaker 3: He has a lot of speed and guys like Nate

490
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Speaker 3: Wiggins as well from Clemson, another cornerback, a little bit leaner,

491
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Speaker 3: not as physical, but he's able to break free and

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Speaker 3: he has the ability to also make those tackles.

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Speaker 1: By the way, every time we keep bringing up JG

494
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Speaker 1: and this kickoff return kickoff for coverage that they repped

495
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Speaker 1: it out on the field, I can't get that visual

496
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Speaker 1: out of my head on the number of different coaches

497
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Speaker 1: and maybe support staff out there going through the motions,

498
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Speaker 1: maybe going through it full speed, and Jeff Rodgers on

499
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Speaker 1: the sideline going, hey, I need to know what this

500
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Speaker 1: looks like. Stop messing around as far as hey breaking

501
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Speaker 1: a tackle or trying to get a long return. So

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to know what that looked like because I

503
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Speaker 1: can play it in my mind, and knowing how competitive

504
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Speaker 1: a lot of those coaches are because a lot of

505
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: them are former players. Doesn't matter if we need to

506
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Speaker 1: go half speed and rep this for you, Jeff, I'm

507
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Speaker 1: gonna make sure I don't get beat by somebody and

508
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Speaker 1: they have to hear about it later in the meeting room.

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Speaker 3: Two things come to my mind when I think about it.

510
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Speaker 3: I think about JG clapping over somebody. I'm not sure why,

511
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Speaker 3: but I could just see him just you know, just

512
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Speaker 3: talking that trash a little bit. And then I could

513
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Speaker 3: also I obviously they weren't there, but I could picture

514
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Speaker 3: just a player because like sitting down at the benching

515
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Speaker 3: just watching, just like I at parent watching, like the

516
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Speaker 3: kids go out to the yard and practice on like

517
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Speaker 3: flag football or something. Can you just imagine if like Kyler, Murray,

518
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: James Connor, Buddha Baker, or just sitting out a ledge

519
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Speaker 3: and just watching the coaches do exactly what they coach.

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Speaker 1: That's not a bad idea. Content Once OTAs begin and

521
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Speaker 1: you can have coaches and players on the field together

522
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Speaker 1: actually going through things and work, maybe they do a

523
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Speaker 1: little role reversal and put the coaches out there and

524
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Speaker 1: the players can be on the sideline acting like those

525
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Speaker 1: older parents and only at their kids.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how, I don't know who needs to

527
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Speaker 3: approve it or what needs to happen for it to happen.

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Speaker 3: But Craig Grili, we're onto something.

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Speaker 1: I'll be fascinating. All right, Let's get back to the

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Speaker 1: matter at hand. Draft primer that it was just a

531
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Speaker 1: little bit of a yes. Last position group on the

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Speaker 1: defense and that is defensive line. We know this was

533
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Speaker 1: a major focal point, a high priority in free agency.

534
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: Justin Jones, Plal Nichols, Kyrostanga, you resigned L J. Collier,

535
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Speaker 1: You've got Dante Stills, You've got Roy Lopez, Phil Hoskins,

536
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: Nakwon Jones, Ben Stilly. You look at that, you read that, Okay,

537
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: not a big need. I'm gonna beg to differ. I

538
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Speaker 1: don't know if it's a high need, certainly medium to

539
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Speaker 1: high defensive line based off what I think this coaching

540
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: staff wants to do on that front. Seven, it wouldn't

541
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Speaker 1: surprise me, especially late first round Day two, that there's

542
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: not a young defensive lineman ie defensive tackle that can

543
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: come in maybe learn a little bit, get a handful

544
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: of snaps, maybe more so really develop into something that

545
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: the Cardinals now draft, develop and pay as opposed to

546
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: having to go out under the market. You already have

547
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Speaker 1: someone in house.

548
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Speaker 3: Okay, so full transparency cover two listeners. I haven't written

549
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: this one out yet, so Craig Realer, we're going to

550
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: about a break through a draft primer right now. So

551
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 3: we have it in the different sections. The need we'll

552
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: get to at the end, Cardinals situation, the draft class,

553
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 3: and then the conclusion. So the situation you mentioned a

554
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: handful of those different names. They have added reinforcements to

555
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: the room, and there are a lot more names on

556
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: that list as opposed to last year the draft class. Yes,

557
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: there are a handful of players. A Byron Murphy that

558
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: really stands out as that defensive tackle truly, the Jerzon Newton's,

559
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: the Johnny Newton's of the world. They're potentially there at

560
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: twenty seven, potentially there at thirty five, whatever it might be.

561
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: Now the conclusion, because you added those those reinforcements into

562
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: the room, you made it a heavy emphasis to highlight

563
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: the trenches throughout this process. Now we know that Nick

564
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 3: Rulis loves to rotate between defensive tackles, defensive linemen. Make

565
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: sure that everybody stays fresh. You have Tonga, Justin Jones,

566
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: Blal Nichols, LJ. Collier. Those are four right there that

567
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: are going to be rotating in and out a handful

568
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: of different times.

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Speaker 1: Who else I would think this coaching staff saw enough

570
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: out of Dante Stills correct who played a lot more

571
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: than maybe everyone including himself expected to, and it was

572
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: because he had to because of injuries. I thought Roy

573
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: Lopez came in and gave them some solid work. Now

574
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Speaker 1: there's two more names, So that's six total, and we're.

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Speaker 3: Just thinking of this live. I'm thinking of this live,

576
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Speaker 3: Craig Cyes as the thoughts are sorrying to trickle into

577
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: my head.

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Speaker 1: So you're rotating probably six at least six linemen on

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Speaker 1: a game day. Is there someone that can crack that rotation. Look, again,

580
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Speaker 1: it depends on how the board falls. I'd put defensive

581
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Speaker 1: line as a medium need, especially when you compare it

582
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Speaker 1: to cornerback, edge, wide receiver. The other positions of need

583
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: are a little bit higher, but I would think defensive

584
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Speaker 1: line because it always comes back to what I believe

585
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: MANI really focuses on, and that's the line of scrimmage,

586
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about the offensive line or defensive.

587
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Speaker 3: So with it being the focal point of monti Astinport's

588
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: vision being the trenches at defensive tackle or a defensive line,

589
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: are any of the players that we would just listed off,

590
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: the six that we just listed off, are any of

591
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Speaker 3: them consistent starters? Or is it going to remain on

592
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: that rotating basis? Because if you bring a player like

593
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Speaker 3: a Byron Murphy, like a jerse On Newton, those are

594
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Speaker 3: players that potentially, just based off of skill and what

595
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: we saw from college and how you believe it could

596
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Speaker 3: translate to the NFL, that could slide into what maybe

597
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: number two on that list.

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00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: Jones plays a lot or has played a lot of snaps.

599
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: Nichols has played a lot of snaps. Talking about on

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Speaker 1: a particular Sunday. Is that what this coaching staff wants though?

601
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: Do they like the rotation? And that's just what they

602
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: believe in. So you're not going to be up to

603
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: that sixty five percent snap average for the season or

604
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: dare I even say on a game though, based on

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Speaker 1: what you pay Jones and Nichols, you would think that

606
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Speaker 1: they'd be out there a little bit more than maybe

607
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: even Euralis wants to or No one hit fifty percent

608
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: of the defensive snaps a year ago from that room. Now,

609
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Speaker 1: Jones was a lot higher than fifty percent last season.

610
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: Nichols was above fifty percent last season. Do those numbers

611
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: come down based off the defense? Do those numbers come

612
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: down because Cardinals aren't asking Jones to do as much

613
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Speaker 1: as he was asked to do previously.

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Speaker 3: And again, I know we're all speculating here, and I

615
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: mean the way I'm also thinking of it is, as

616
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: much as we saw the defensive line and the rotation

617
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: structure that we believe Nick Ralis wants to lean towards,

618
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: the Cardinals also got hit really hard in that on

619
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Speaker 3: the injury side of things, So you had to rotate

620
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Speaker 3: because a guy like Roy Lopez, as he said, earlier

621
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Speaker 3: on in this episode, he wasn't even on the roster

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Speaker 3: week one. He came in the middle of the season.

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Speaker 3: So well, okay, so I probably am gonna list as

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Speaker 3: a medium need is the way I'm thinking of it.

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Speaker 3: Glad we could talk it through this. We're talking this

626
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Speaker 3: through here on Cardinals Cover two. Probably gonna list as

627
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Speaker 3: a medium need with the idea that if you do

628
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Speaker 3: draft a defensive tackle or defensive line as a whole,

629
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Speaker 3: it's not the end of the world. While we would

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Speaker 3: mostly prioritize an edge or cornerback over that position, you're

631
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Speaker 3: still reinforcing what Mani Austin for truly believes in, and

632
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Speaker 3: that is the defensive line prime or complete.

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Speaker 1: Very good. Now, what you got to go back when

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Speaker 1: this gets posted, you go through it and what you

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Speaker 1: just said, transcribe it, and then post it on easy

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Speaker 1: Cardinals put the even.

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Speaker 3: Better cross promotion.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Azycardinals dot Com for the entire draft

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Speaker 1: primer again. This week is defense, last week was offense,

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Speaker 1: and of course Zach well, he's been real busy bird

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Speaker 1: game because in addition to the draft primers, he's been

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Speaker 1: following the mock drafts and mock draft Tracker four point

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Speaker 1: zero to be posted on Thursday of this week. I

644
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Speaker 1: haven't seen as many mock drafts. I think everyone really

645
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Speaker 1: piles on initially and then some of the bigger names

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Speaker 1: will do like a two point oh, three point oh,

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Speaker 1: four point oh. But there's not a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: out there that will do five different mock drafts. But

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Speaker 1: it's still it's very interesting to see now what people

650
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: are mocking, and it's more trades. Early in this process

651
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: January February March, it was more no trades. This is

652
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: how I see the board falling based off player availability,

653
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: team need. Now it's based off of oh well, there's

654
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: always trades in the first round. Where's the first one

655
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: gonna come? Is it gonna come at number three with

656
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Speaker 1: the Patriots? Is it gonna come with the Cardinals at

657
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: number four? Do they drop down to six with the Giants?

658
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: Or is it eleven, twelve or thirteen with the Vikings,

659
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: Broncos and or Raiders. That's what I'm seeing more so

660
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Speaker 1: than anything.

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Speaker 3: Every team obviously has their eye on this draft, but

662
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: really about four teams, and the Cardinals are one of

663
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Speaker 3: the four teams right now that you know the draft

664
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Speaker 3: is they're the center of the conversation. Right now, you

665
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: already know what one, two, and three is potentially going

666
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: to look like. It's all gonna be quarterbacks. The saying

667
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: that the draft starts when the Cardinals pick at number four,

668
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: it's within good reason because this is where things really

669
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: start to change in I was reading the Athletic article

670
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 3: that Darren Urbin alluded to on Cardinals Underground about the

671
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 3: right way quote unquote right way that gms are supposed

672
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: to and it's through the trade down process, and only

673
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: about three of them, you know, but only about three

674
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: picks are right on these mock drafts by experts. You

675
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: kind of already have your your top three because you

676
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 3: already know what it's going to be. But now it's

677
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 3: weally when it starts to get exciting for Cardinals fans,

678
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: for fans from other teams that are potentially looking to

679
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 3: trade up and try to trade into that top five

680
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: to draft their quarterback of the future. But I don't

681
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: think that it's nearly as much of terms of excitement

682
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: because we're still waiting. MANI said that he has the

683
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: open sign. It's right there, ready to go. Now all

684
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: we could do is speculate, and I think we're all

685
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: starting to that speculation is starting to reach that breaking

686
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: point a little bit, because nothing new is going to truly,

687
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: at least in my opinion, come out of this draft season.

688
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: If Drake May falls out of the top three, which

689
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: is potential, certainly a possibility, but he and Caleb Williams

690
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: were one and two at the start of the college

691
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: football season. Those were the two main quarterbacks. And Pro

692
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 3: Football Focus believe this was a week or two ago

693
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: was talking about by Sell draft rumors and they mentioned

694
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 3: Drake May becoming this year's overthought quarterback prospect I e. CJ.

695
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: Stroud And the more time passes, the more we dissect

696
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: these players and you find things or you look for things,

697
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Drake May is no longer

698
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Speaker 1: that number two. He's number three, number four, probably not

699
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: any lower than that. Is someone going to be enticed

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Speaker 1: to move up to number four if Drake May is available,

701
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: or are there teams that really like JJ McCarthy, who

702
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere this season, He was not being

703
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: discussed at the start of the college football season. Really

704
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: didn't have a great individual statistics season at Michigan. One games, though,

705
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks their job is to win you ballgames, no

706
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: matter what it takes. Is there going to be a

707
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Speaker 1: team if McCarthy is available at number four that entices,

708
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: say the Giants or the Vikings. Then what do you

709
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: do if you're money Austin.

710
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 3: And you got a head coach and Jim Harball, that's

711
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: you know, as advocating for JJ McCarthy to be the

712
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: number one draft pick for the next thirty years of

713
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: the NFL draft at this rate because of he just

714
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: obviously they have that that Michigan connection over there as

715
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: these quarterbacks are beginning to slide. And I'm sure if

716
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: you know when the initial topic was Cale Williams that

717
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: won Drake May a number two, I'm sure a lot

718
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: of teams would have been surprised to see, Oh, Drake

719
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 3: May might be available on number four. We never even

720
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: thought we'd have a chance to possibly get him. The

721
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: conversation has shifted a lot. Jaden Daniels has rose up

722
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: in draft boards. JJ McCarty has rose up. Winning games

723
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: should matter to coaches.

724
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 2: Now.

725
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: It's not to say Division one Double A programs because

726
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: they don't have the same resources. Not to say that

727
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: that shouldn't be taken into ac but being a quarterback

728
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: for a national championship winning team and it being at Michigan,

729
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: knowing the pressure that Michigan has every single year, that

730
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: is you know that that is important, and you could

731
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: translate that pressure towards playing in the NFL. Not saying

732
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 3: that they're on the same level, but quarterbacks and coaches.

733
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: I mean, think about the ties to the NFL. As

734
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 3: big of a community as it is, it's very small.

735
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: And you think about Drake May's connection to Josh McCown

736
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: from the Minnesota Vikings. There's all these different ties that

737
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 3: you try to connect the dots exactly. You try to

738
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 3: connect the dots, and everyone knows everybody at this rate.

739
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: So it's funny. While everyone knows everyone, nobody truly knows

740
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: what anybody is doing right now when it comes to

741
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: this draft season.

742
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Speaker 1: By the way, how did it feel to say national

743
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: championship winning quarterback out of Michigan. I'm paraphrasing because I

744
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: don't know exact I don't remember the exact wording, but

745
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: national championship in Michigan was all uttered in the same

746
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: sentence by you.

747
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: That happened, Yes it did.

748
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: How do you feel you all right? Lightheaded? Anything?

749
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: I need to one, no look.

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Speaker 1: Break.

751
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 3: I saw Penn State beat Michigan twice. I believe while

752
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: I was in school. Should have been three times, but

753
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: I saw him beat him twice. I was on the

754
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: sideline for that whiteout game. I was on Michigan sideline

755
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: for that white out game when Jim Carball called the

756
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: time out before the first snap of the game and

757
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: everyone went nuts when Mobimba was playing, I always say

758
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: when I was speaking on college tours at Penn State,

759
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: that's my favorite school memory is seeing Jim Harball freak

760
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: out and right away spamming for a time out before

761
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: the first snap of the game. So I've had my

762
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: fair shrif of seeing Michigan lose. You know, in Paris,

763
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: Johnson Junior and I we have our own you know,

764
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: beef of Penn State and Ohio State. We have our

765
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: own beef there. It's friendly beef. Though we haven't had

766
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 3: a Michigan guy in the room. Whether that changes this year,

767
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: who knows.

768
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 1: And if a Michigan guy goes a second year without

769
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: getting drafted or added and then a third, we might

770
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: have to wonder about your influence within this front office.

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00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 3: My influence Ohio State hasn't beat Michigan and Ohio State

772
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: guys in the building. I know fans would hope that

773
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: another Ohio State guy and Marvin Harrison juniors in the building.

774
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: That's two Ohio State Buckeys, Tyreek Smith another Ohio State

775
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 3: buck GUYE Craig. As much as it's a Penn State thing,

776
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: it really ain't a Penn State thing.

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Speaker 1: It's true, that is very true. It's also a Philly

778
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: thing in that locker room as well.

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00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: No comment.

780
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: So the mock draft Tracker four point zero posted on

781
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Speaker 1: Thursday last before we exit here on Cardinals cover two

782
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. And

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00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: I think this is a very cool story and something

784
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: that you're working on. You've already had a chance to

785
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: speak with Trey McBride about it. You hope to speak

786
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: with DJ Dallas about it as well. And that is

787
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: the NFL USO tour in Poland involving at the time

788
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Speaker 1: when they signed up Trey McBride with the Cardinals, DJ

789
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: Dallas with the Seahawks. But when the trip happened in

790
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: early April, now, all of a sudden you're talking about teammates,

791
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: and I think that's real cool because not only did

792
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: you get the experience of something that maybe you had

793
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: never thought you'd ever get to experience as far as

794
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: the USO Tours, but now you're bonding with someone who

795
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: just became your teammate but never thought was going to

796
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: be your teammate four or five months earlier when you said, yeah,

797
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: I'd like to go on that trip.

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Speaker 3: When I spoke to Trey, he said like, it was

799
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 3: very cool, you know, being able to look back and

800
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: be like, oh wait, I am going with the teammate.

801
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: Now it's no longer just DJ Dallas. They're running back

802
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 3: from the Seattle Seahawks and NFC West rival. Now it's

803
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: going to be somebody I share a locker room with

804
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: and I go through the dog days of the summer with.

805
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: So I haven't spoken to DJ yet, as you mentioned,

806
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 3: I'm excited to because I think for him, he's coming

807
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 3: into a situation where he doesn't know as many players

808
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: on the roster, so he gets that first taste of

809
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: it by going to a different country in Poland with

810
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: Trey McBride. They did a lot of cool stuff out there,

811
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: a lot of rewarding stuff. They were, you know, they

812
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: brought a lot of smiles. They got tours around the

813
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: army bases, they were able to play Madden tournaments against

814
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 3: some of the other some of the military members out there.

815
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Speaker 3: For GUILEI Tree McBride, who has familial ties to the military,

816
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: his brother was in the Navy, I believe it was.

817
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to mention it in the article to confirm.

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00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: This is just off the top of the off the

819
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: top of the head, but my cause my cleats were

820
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: military base. I see him all the time at community

821
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: service events just being out there. So this is it's

822
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: being able to connect with your community in the valley

823
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: is one thing. Be able to go global, to go

824
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: international and bring those smiles out there. Beautiful stuff from

825
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: those two guys.

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Speaker 1: And I think you'll see a player like McBride as

827
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: you get more comfortable in your surroundings, maybe you feel

828
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: like you've got your footing within the team, your spot

829
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: on the team to where you can branch out a

830
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: little bit and really have an impact in the community

831
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: and really have that name value on the field because

832
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: of what you've done and means something when you're talking

833
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: with these groups, whether it's individuals, kids, adults, and that

834
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: voice all of a sudden becomes a little bit more

835
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: impactful because of how successful you are on the football field.

836
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: And then if there's a connection or a background, your

837
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: voice matters because you have people and I'll put adults

838
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: in this category as well. They look up to someone

839
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: who is dealing with something or as similar backgrounds as

840
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: but then has overcome it or is dealing with it,

841
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: and it's a support system depending on what is the

842
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: particular thing that they are trying to represent or make.

843
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: More aware of.

844
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Speaker 1: So I applaud every single player that does these community

845
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: programs or even goes worldwide with this. So I do

846
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: think you'll see Trey McBride become like at Dennis Gardak

847
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: that And I'm sure there's players out there that do

848
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: it but just don't want the publicity or don't publicize

849
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: it themselves. But we know gard Dek is there almost

850
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: every single week doing something, and I think there's gonna

851
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: be You would don't be surprised to see see Trey McBride.

852
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: And then maybe in a year or two of Michael Wilson,

853
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: those younger players that come into the league and then

854
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: get familiar like the city, like the surroundings that are

855
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: in like the state, and they say, yeah, I like

856
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: to do more.

857
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Speaker 3: I think that a guy like Dennis Gardek became a

858
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: fan favorite because of what he was able to do

859
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: on the field, but the fact that he was also

860
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: he talked a big game of being able to say

861
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: stay involved in the community and now acts on it too.

862
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: A guy like Trey McBride was heavily involved in the

863
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: community last year. At the beginning half of the season,

864
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: maybe not as many players knew who Trey McBride was.

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Speaker 3: In terms of fans, not as many fans knew who

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Speaker 3: Trey McBride was on the football field. They might have

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Speaker 3: just seen him in the community. Now, seeing him emerge

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Speaker 3: into a top tight end in the league, you could

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Speaker 3: to see the step from year two to year three.

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Speaker 3: That excitement level he showed on Monday translate down into

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Speaker 3: action on the field and you are gonna see another

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Speaker 3: star in the making. And Trey McBride, you had to

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Speaker 3: see him in the community. And it's to show that

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Speaker 3: these are human beings too. They were raised with good values.

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Speaker 3: These are guys that are football guys, but they're also

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Speaker 3: good people. That's something that Monty and JG spoke heavily

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Speaker 3: about when they first came into this regime, is they

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Speaker 3: want good people. In the facility. You could talk a

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Speaker 3: big game, you could see him like a good guy,

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Speaker 3: but when you actually go out into the community and beyond,

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Speaker 3: that's impressive stuff from those two guys. So that story

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Speaker 3: upcoming on Azycardinals dot com. They were not teammates at

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Speaker 3: the time when they signed up. They became teammates before

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Speaker 3: the trip and then all of a sudden spending time

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Speaker 3: with our military members in Poland, So not only is

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Speaker 3: it something together, but it's out of the country as well.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's very cool. And again, story upcoming

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Speaker 3: on Azycardinals dot com. We have kept Zach real busy

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Speaker 3: over the last couple of weeks. I just I'm excited

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Speaker 3: for once the draft is over. It's no longer to

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Speaker 3: talk about speculation. Let's get some football go. When the

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Speaker 3: guys in the facility, you can feel that buzz just

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Speaker 3: in the air. We're not necessarily we don't see what's

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Speaker 3: going on, but you could feel it. And that's exciting stuff.

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Speaker 3: And you know before we know it draft's gonna come around.

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Speaker 3: The continuation of OTAs is gonna come around. We're gon

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Speaker 3: have a little break and then it's right back to

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Speaker 3: State Farm for training camp.

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Speaker 1: As of this recording, eight days until the draft. Eight days,

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Speaker 1: and I for one, am in an agreement with you can't

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Speaker 1: wait for to get here and have some new players

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Speaker 1: to talk about and to leave that speculation in the

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Speaker 1: rear view.

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Speaker 3: But think about the hundreds of players we've thought about.

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Speaker 3: Now we can actually talk about others we've thought about. Oh,

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Speaker 3: all these potential different options, especially if you do these

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Speaker 3: mock drafts in your own time and yours, start to

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Speaker 3: learn about the players or you see on the ticker

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Speaker 3: at NFL Network on the bottom all the different prospects

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Speaker 3: at defensive tackle, defensive line, like I'm looking at right now,

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Speaker 3: to and Andre Sweat, Darius Robinson. You'll get to have

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Speaker 3: those players actually get assigned to a team, and let's

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Speaker 3: talk some x's and o's after that.

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Speaker 1: A week from Thursday the twenty twenty four NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: and as we speak here on this Wednesday, Cardinals have

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Speaker 1: eleven picks, six in the first ninety two in the

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Speaker 1: first round. We'll see if that changes for GM Monty

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Speaker 1: Austin Ford, depending on what he decides to do or

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Speaker 1: doesn't decide to do when the Cardinals are on the clock.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, speaking of clocks, we will put

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Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by a Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Amandre, our associate

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Speaker 1: producer Cody Fincher. For Zach Kershman, I'm Greig Real Lou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.