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Speaker 5: Would you look what the fucking cat dragged in? Today? Sunday,

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Speaker 5: December sixth, twoenty twenty, it's episode two seventy nine of

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Speaker 5: the Anakin Florian Podcast and we are leading the show

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Speaker 5: with Raymond Peter Longo. Today. I hesitate to say you're

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Speaker 5: filling in for Ken Flow because you don't fill in

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Speaker 5: for anybody. You deserve top Fillingestly regarded as the star

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Speaker 5: of the show. Ken Flow's got a conflict, and here

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Speaker 5: you are waking up for us early on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 5: Just a good fucking egg. One of the best things

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Speaker 4: So let me tell you something, John, even God took

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Speaker 4: a day off. You know what that day was, and

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Speaker 4: he took a day off. It was good enough. It

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Speaker 4: cat drigged. And that's an understatement.

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Speaker 5: You said to me in our little pre show meeting

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Speaker 5: there that maybe we should do this on Saturday night

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Speaker 5: because these have been some pretty quick turns for me.

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Speaker 5: I slept three hours. I had a little red wine

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Speaker 5: and beer with Paul Felder last night. Bruce Buffer was

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Speaker 5: involved as well. So I'm hurting for certain today. I mean,

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Speaker 5: there's no sugar coating that. And yesterday was a pretty

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Speaker 5: tough day from a love production standpoint. Obviously, going from

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Speaker 5: eleven to eight fights on show day. There's so many

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Speaker 5: ramifications when that happens. So but nonetheless another one's in

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Speaker 5: the can ray. I mean, these UFC fights keep on coming.

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Speaker 5: We're so conditioned now too, week by week that I

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Speaker 5: feel like as soon as there are a couple of

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Speaker 5: dark weeks here from December to January. When that show

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Speaker 5: hits January sixteenth, we're going to be jones in for

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Speaker 5: UFC fights because it will have been three months. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now I tell you why, Like a lot of people

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Speaker 4: waiting at seven o'clock. Man, they had they had their

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Speaker 4: game fights? Is what happened? Where's the fights? Did they

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Speaker 4: change the channel? You know? And I was like, oh

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Speaker 4: my god, eight o'clock, I gotta wait till now what man?

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Speaker 4: It opened up opened up with a good buddy, Geon Valante,

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Speaker 4: And I thought there were a couple of really really

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Speaker 4: good fights list night from guys that I was not

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Speaker 4: too familiar with. You know, you don't see a lot,

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Speaker 4: but I thought they were a couple of breakout performances

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Speaker 5: Yeah. We have a lot to get to stuff that

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Speaker 5: really look good, man. Yeah, a lot to get to

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Speaker 5: with Ray. And you will hear from Kenvillo later in

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Speaker 5: the program. He will be on to make his UFC

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Speaker 5: two fifty six picks opposite Ian Parker, and Ken full

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Speaker 5: has got some thoughts on hermanson inventory and everything that transpired.

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Speaker 5: I will also say too, before we get too deep

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Speaker 5: into these fights. For me, these eight fight cards versus

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Speaker 5: as many as fourteen It really brings a lot of

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Speaker 5: fun back into the live sporting event for me, because

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Speaker 5: when I'm sitting down in that seat, as I've said

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Speaker 5: But for me, an eight fight card is just so

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Speaker 5: And this is nothing I wouldn't say to my bosses,

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Speaker 5: but I just think it's interesting for the listeners to

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Speaker 5: hear just how different my night is when it's eight

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Speaker 5: fights first, and.

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Speaker 4: It's you know what's funny minutes. What we were accustomed

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Speaker 4: to is like we want like fourteen fights, but eight

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Speaker 4: But you know, they I'm sure with all the programming

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Speaker 5: But uh, I mean Cody Marra was born in the

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Speaker 5: Cody for me, I'm up six am Eastern I fall

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Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you the point that I was trying

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Speaker 6: think a ton of people missed out an amazing main event.

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Speaker 6: I mean twenty five minutes of just absolute barn burner.

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Speaker 6: Yet yeah, that some people probably went to bed for.

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Speaker 5: Right and you wake up the next morning, as I

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Speaker 5: The next day you're trying to get that in with

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Speaker 5: this main event very long ago, because statistically speaking, there

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Speaker 5: outstanding fight. I felt bad for some of the guys

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Speaker 5: But what did you make of the main event and

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Speaker 5: Marvin Vittori's breakout performance.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, we know Vittori could punch. I think it

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Speaker 4: to grow from that a lot. I think, even, you know,

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Speaker 4: and man did her mansion. Man. I give it up

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Speaker 4: tough as nails, and I think he proved it. And

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Speaker 4: uh man, just a was a great fight. Man. You

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Speaker 5: I did think it was interesting in round one after

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Speaker 5: was willing to get knocked the fuck out. And without

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Speaker 5: I just have so much respect for Jacker Manson. And

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Speaker 4: And Johnnah, it was a battle of wills really, because

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Speaker 4: Trevor was right. There was a shift, and I think

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Speaker 4: He came out ready to get knocked outs either I

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Speaker 4: knock you you knocked me out. He came out swinging.

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Speaker 4: He took that third round and then the other guy

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Speaker 4: I think, uh Cordero did a great job and motivating

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Speaker 4: It's only a matter of time to like catch him again. Man,

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Speaker 4: fight and you're losing, that's what you have to do. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 4: what Jack co Manson did. He didn't give a shit.

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Speaker 4: And that's where you go back to victoriing go because

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Speaker 4: that's a shitty position of being. Man, you knock a

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Speaker 4: you try to do it again. He's having a great time,

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Speaker 4: and then the third round, man, the guy takes the

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Speaker 4: he's not really known for his striking and you're getting outstruck.

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Speaker 4: That's mentally. I give him credit for in there and

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Speaker 4: then win in four or five. Man, it was a

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Speaker 4: great fight for that man.

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Speaker 5: I do believe I do believe Marvin Vittori needed to

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Speaker 5: but you're right, Jackermanson just biting down on the gum

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Speaker 6: Cody, what do you have with I thought a really

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Speaker 6: impressive part was for twenty five minutes, Jack went out

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Speaker 6: there and he gave him the business. He tried to

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Speaker 6: give his all, he tried to get the win. At

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Speaker 6: the twenty five oh one mark, the dude couldn't use

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Speaker 5: I know. That's a great point. Literally couldn't fucking walk. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they couldn't tell in a minute twenty four fifty.

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Speaker 4: Eight, Well there were you could. First off, that right

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Speaker 4: kick was vital to him and he wasn't using it,

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Speaker 4: and I would have I think that would have made

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Speaker 4: a little difference in the fight. But you saw shades

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Speaker 5: Again?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't. I mean, if you're asking me,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. Way this guy, this guy was

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Speaker 5: him go cross eye like right away? Bro?

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Speaker 4: That was that? That's what it was, good man. You know,

434
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Speaker 4: I don't know if it was my yeah, whatever it was,

435
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Speaker 4: that was big.

436
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Speaker 1: You know.

437
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you a funny story about wives way back when,

438
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Speaker 4: Like I remember, I don't know where which fight it

439
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 4: was with Sarah, but he tells a story that if

440
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Speaker 4: a GSP for uh Jay Horan, I believe it was.

441
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 4: And that was early on in the UFC, and I

442
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 4: guess Jay had his wife or his girlfriend there and

443
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Speaker 4: she was just crying and Matt saw that. He goes, man,

444
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Speaker 4: I'm not having an income to the fights, like he

445
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 4: just didn't want to put her through that in case

446
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 4: something bad happened to him. But that was the example.

447
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 4: Last night was Matt Wyman and your wife's stand, you know,

448
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 4: sitting there, and that's a that's a horrible thing when

449
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 4: you love somebody and you're watching them unconscious and you

450
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Speaker 4: don't know what the what the outcome is going to be.

451
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Speaker 4: We kind of all know it's the guys should be

452
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Speaker 4: all right, you know.

453
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Speaker 5: No long term value in that though, that's for sure.

454
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Speaker 5: But man, was she's stoic over there?

455
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

456
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Speaker 5: Out at all?

457
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Speaker 4: So oh yeah, I didn't see. I just know we

458
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Speaker 4: went over and you know, talk to her. I think

459
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Speaker 4: that whatever is h what's his name? Jordan Lovett?

460
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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, So when Gabriel Mowgli Benitez landed that body

461
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Speaker 5: shot on Justin James. Part of my inner monologue, and

462
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 5: I've said this on broadcast before, is like, what would

463
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Speaker 5: a body shot like that do to someone like me?

464
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 5: You know, and I do planks and I do fucking

465
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Speaker 5: sit ups all the time, right, But I feel pretty

466
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Speaker 5: convicted in saying that not only could I not take

467
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 5: a body shot like that, but that would put me

468
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Speaker 5: out for months probably. I mean perfectly timed and placed.

469
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Speaker 5: And uh, he's a real good dude and I was

470
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Speaker 5: happy to see him get the fifty k even though

471
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 5: there was a lot of competition for the bonuses. What'd

472
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Speaker 5: you make of that?

473
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Speaker 4: Man? Beautiful? I mean, that was a you know they say,

474
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 4: even when you're not a guy, you want that car krash.

475
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 4: That guy stepped in and he met that knee to

476
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Speaker 4: the ribs or the liver wherever it landed. Just a

477
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 4: bad shot, bid shot. You know, you got to watch

478
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 4: out too. When you break some of those high ribs,

479
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Speaker 4: you could puncture a lung. That's where the problem comes in.

480
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: So it's not just a broken rib. There is I

481
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 4: know there's been a a I mean I was told

482
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Speaker 4: that a while ago. A lot of deaths and tie

483
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Speaker 4: boxing because that upper rib is by by the heart

484
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 4: or the lungs, and that's where you have a problem.

485
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Speaker 4: You know, it's not even the lower ribs suck, but

486
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 4: those upper ribs is. There's a potential problem for death

487
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 4: up there. So no doubt experience beautifully timed, perfect knee

488
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Speaker 4: car crash mentality. When you go down like that, man,

489
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Speaker 4: that that pain is that looked like a cockra ish.

490
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Speaker 5: My late father in law actually passed away. You know.

491
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 5: It was the rib you know, he suffered a fall

492
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Speaker 5: and rib snaps punctures the long and that's it, you know.

493
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 4: So yeah, that didn't happen. I'm telling you that those

494
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: upper ribs are the problem.

495
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 5: So always nice to see that Ray Longo name pop

496
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 5: up in my cell phone on fight night. I like

497
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 5: the Cody Marrow text as well. But who do you

498
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 5: think Ray texted me about this weekend? Ilia Topuia twenty

499
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 5: three years of age, born in the same year I

500
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 5: graduated high school nineteen ninety seven, undefeated, and I know

501
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 5: you have a lot to say about Ilia Taporia, but

502
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 5: I just want to lead with this. So in our

503
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 5: fighter meeting, he just seemed stressed. He had a very

504
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 5: arduous training camp in the United States and he can't

505
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 5: wait to get home, and he said, I want to

506
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 5: go home, take some time off and see if the

507
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 5: hunger will return. So you may have noticed in our

508
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 5: post fight interview I asked him about that because it

509
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 5: was like, bro, like, you're twenty and clearly this wind

510
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 5: brought any needed hunger back. But this is going to

511
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 5: be an elite featherweight in my mind, I'm excited to

512
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 5: see what he can do in this division. What'd you

513
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 5: make of Iliatoporius certainly liked it enough to send me

514
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 5: a text message there after. He lawn shared, Damon Jackson, Yeah.

515
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 4: Let me tell you some awesome, awesome hands on this kid. Man. Wow,

516
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 4: he sits in the pocket beautifully. Those combos were very

517
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 4: well placed, very well timed. I thought he was. I

518
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 4: thought that was picture perfect. Man. I'm gonna rip that

519
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 4: fight apart with a couple of guys at the gym

520
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 4: that have like similar styles, because I said, wow, this

521
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 4: is this kid. Man he was throwing and he was

522
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 4: like again, sitting in the pocket beautifully, head just off

523
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 4: the line, man, laser focus. I thought. I thought it

524
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 4: was a great performance for a young kid who's undefeated

525
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 4: at twenty three.

526
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 5: What I done.

527
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 4: I like what I'm seeing with.

528
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 5: That all right, before I let you go. It's a Sunday.

529
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people go to church or

530
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 5: some religious obligation for lack of a better word. For

531
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 5: me and Cody and many others. Right there's I mean,

532
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 5: our Sundays are entirely devoted to the NFL. I know

533
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 5: you don't like this topic of conversation, So like, what

534
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 5: does your Sunday hold since for some reason the NFL's

535
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 5: is not a part of it.

536
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna head over to the gym, do

537
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 4: a couple of privates, and I'm going to get a

538
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 4: lifting with a couple of the guys from the too.

539
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 5: Man.

540
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 4: Man, well that's why I sit on the couch and

541
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 4: watch TV.

542
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 5: So here i am by the way in Las Vegas,

543
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 5: this stretch that we were supposed to be together for,

544
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 5: and I'm here for another eight nights, my man.

545
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 4: I mean, that's another that that man, my two weeks

546
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 4: with thrown, thrown and turmoil. Man, I really planned on

547
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: being there for Morob and al Joe and I know

548
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: I talk about up in the air. I just talked

549
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 4: to al Joe. I think it was yesterday, he just

550
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: hear or anything. Nothing, So I don't know, man, I

551
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: was so psyched from a Rob and al Joe, so

552
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 4: I'm just chilling, you know.

553
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 5: That's but hopefully, uh February or March gets done for

554
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 5: al Jo. Still don't have any word on what's going

555
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 5: on with Poldojan unless I missed a headline out there.

556
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 5: But hopefully it all works out. But you know, Morob

557
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 5: is going to make a run and be a busy bandon. Wait.

558
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 5: I think the issue he's going to have is uh

559
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 5: finding a whole bunch of guys that are willing to

560
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 5: fight him, because I do believe he, with respect to

561
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 5: al Jo, is one of the the worst matchups for

562
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 5: many many guys out there. You just don't want the

563
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 5: cardio guy. You don't want the takedown guy. You don't

564
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 5: Morob is one of the most offensive fighters.

565
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 4: Neither he that have to kill him or he keeps going.

566
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: I mean that line even like to him the other day,

567
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 4: go Rob, your name is still up as if you're fighting,

568
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: I'm ready.

569
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 5: They waited late in the game that.

570
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: If he up training for like two days, which is unusual,

571
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 4: like I mean like the last two days, that's it.

572
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 4: But I had that conversation with maybe three or four

573
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 4: days ago. Yeah, and I think could have called him

574
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: like Thursday night. I think he would have. He might

575
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: have dogged to Vegas right now. I think he would

576
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: have rode his bicycle to Vegas and taken the fight.

577
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm already you don't even care, Like

578
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: I don't know that he doesn't care. But he's just

579
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 4: got a matter of fact like just I want to fight,

580
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 4: like that's it, you know, it's not uh, it's nothing

581
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 4: more than that.

582
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 5: All right, man. Well, uh, get a good stretch and

583
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 5: enjoy those privates. So if I want a private with

584
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: Ray Longo, perhaps I would get some VIP treatment to

585
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 5: pretend I'm just some fucking schmuck and see for New

586
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 5: York and I want to come get a private with

587
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 5: Ray Longo. How do I go about doing that?

588
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're just some schmuck and see now,

589
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 4: if you were a schmuck in Wantur, that's a difference.

590
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 5: All right. So you're right. So if I'm a schmuck

591
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 5: from that town, how do I get a private with

592
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 5: Ray Longo? Do I go to a website? Do I

593
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 5: call the gym? I'm being serious. I mean, I don't

594
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 5: need to know what it would cost me.

595
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: That's still gonna be hot.

596
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, well, enjoy those privates, those very exclusive

597
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Speaker 5: VIP private training sessions, and we'll talk to you next Sunday.

598
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 5: My man, Hey, appreciate you stepping up and give me

599
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: the extra time. Off the top of the.

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Speaker 4: Show man, John, this is such a pleasure tot off

601
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 4: my Sunday morning, like this is unbelievable. Anyway, guys, have

602
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: a great time. Enjoy your NFL. Why the fuck you're

603
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: still watching that? I have no idea to enjoy it.

604
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 5: Enjoy it though, just so you know how much I

605
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 5: love you. One, two, three, four, five, six seven. I

606
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 5: have seven favorites in my cellular telephone. For some reason,

607
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 5: Cody's not in there yet, even though I communicate with

608
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 5: him more than most in my life. But I have

609
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 5: seven favorites in my fucking cellular telephone. You know who's

610
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 5: in there, Raymond Peter Longo. Ken Flow's out in there.

611
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: Hey, felken Flow. I say, wherever he is.

612
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 5: And whatever you well, he literally won't let us disclose it.

613
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 5: So I'm not joking. So yeah, he won't let us

614
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 5: disclose his location.

615
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 4: So that's it's easier to get a private with me

616
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: than to find with ken Flow.

617
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Speaker 5: Is is that we like, where's Waldo? Where's ken Flow?

618
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 5: Hopefully he doesn't watch the show back and come fucking

619
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Speaker 5: chick unconsciously, Hey have a great private. Okay, all right, guy,

620
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 5: he's taking her.

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Speaker 4: I take it all right.

622
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Speaker 5: had a conflict of course off the top of the show,

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Speaker 5: so we had a call long long ago. But ken

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Speaker 5: Flow is here. We have the dude for thirty minutes.

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Speaker 5: My man, the Duck is here as well. You can

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Speaker 5: find him at Ian Parker MMA. You can find his

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Speaker 5: tweets during UFC fight nights on ESPN Plus as well.

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Speaker 5: But ken Flow, it's great to see you. And I

688
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Speaker 5: have to begin with Jordan Levitt because you posted over

689
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Speaker 5: the weekend. I am intrigued by Jordan Levit. I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: tell you, with respect to you and Team Hall and Ryan,

691
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Speaker 5: I might be more intrigued by this guy than Ryan Hall.

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Speaker 5: And I say that somewhat tongue in cheek. But if

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Speaker 5: you missed his slam of Matt Wyman last night, I'm sure.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if it was on Sports

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Speaker 5: Center because of the violent nature of it, but he

696
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Speaker 5: framed him up beautifully, which you don't always see, and

697
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Speaker 5: knocked him out cold, cross eyed immediately. That says nothing

698
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Speaker 5: of his jiu jitsu acumen. What makes you so.

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Speaker 8: Intrigued, you know, I love the fact that he is

700
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Speaker 8: very unique, very authentic.

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Speaker 5: He's just being himself out there.

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Speaker 8: And he went out there and again, he's not a

703
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Speaker 8: guy who's gonna intimidate you. He's a little odd, right,

704
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Speaker 8: does things his way, and then goes out there and

705
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Speaker 8: does one of the most brutal knockouts we've ever seen.

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Speaker 8: And I thought it was just it was really smart

707
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Speaker 8: the way he did it. I mean, as brutal as

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Speaker 8: it was, right, it was a violent slam, but the

709
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Speaker 8: fact that he kind of picked him up, knew exactly

710
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Speaker 8: where he was going, walked towards the you know, walk

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Speaker 8: toward the edge of the mat, you know, put his

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Speaker 8: forearm on the front of that neck. So there was

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Speaker 8: no bouncing, there was no I mean, it was just

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Speaker 8: all of his weight on top of it.

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Speaker 5: And the whipping action of that slam was just brutal.

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Speaker 8: Matt Liman's been around the game for a long time

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Speaker 8: and Jordan Levitt just kind of took care of business

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Speaker 8: really really quickly.

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Speaker 5: Man, that's a guy to watch. Hey, Ian, It was

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Speaker 5: interesting to see the dynamic with Matt Wyman's wife in

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Speaker 5: his corner, and she seemed to handle this, frankly, much

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Speaker 5: better than I did. You know, I'm sitting there scared

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Speaker 5: for the man's life and no, I mean he was

724
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Speaker 5: moving pretty quickly. But when guys don't come too right away,

725
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Speaker 5: those are some of the scariest moments for us. And thankfully,

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Speaker 5: you know, by the time we came back from commercial break,

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Speaker 5: we could update the audience in a good way.

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Speaker 9: Glass half full. Maybe she was like, hey, he got

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Speaker 9: knocked out quicker sooner than later, and didn't want to

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Speaker 9: take a beating. I don't know.

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Speaker 10: When you when you have family around, as a fighter,

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Speaker 10: as a coach, anything, it's always hard. I listen the

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Speaker 10: fact that Levin went over to her and they kind

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Speaker 10: of embraced that moment.

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Speaker 9: And I'm hoping matt Oneman, you.

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Speaker 10: Know, takes a takes a real good look at his

737
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Speaker 10: MMA career, maybe decides, hey, look, if I'm being slammed

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Speaker 10: by a guy I'm not supposed to be getting slammed by,

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Speaker 10: maybe it's time to switch spots with Kenny. Come on

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Speaker 10: the show, let Kenny hop back in the cage, and uh,

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Speaker 10: let's fucking go Kenny.

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Speaker 5: We did not offer Matt Wyman Ken flow.

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Speaker 9: No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

744
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Speaker 10: We were looking to upgrade the looks on the show,

745
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Speaker 10: but we're not trying to get you back, you know

746
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Speaker 10: that way. I'm just saying, Kenny coming out of retirement.

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Speaker 10: I heard Jake Paldy dance partner. I'm voting for Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 10: Let's go Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. You know.

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Speaker 8: The fact that he calls himself the Monkey King two

751
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Speaker 8: is really interesting. It's kind of a it's a reference

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Speaker 8: to like a sixteenth century Chinese novel Sun Wukong, where

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Speaker 8: basically he was recognized as one of the best or

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Speaker 8: recognized as the best fighter ever. He had the ability

755
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Speaker 8: to transform into anything and everything.

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Speaker 5: So I like that.

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Speaker 8: He's just very nerdy and you know, really believes it,

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Speaker 8: you know, in that whole thing.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know, man, he really is very intriguing.

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Speaker 5: I wonder if the guy who gave him the nickname

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Speaker 5: knew all of that, because basically he was no way

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Speaker 5: we read that novel. Yeah, he had a quick win.

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Speaker 9: Watched The Jungle Book, and Kenny's just really smart.

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Speaker 5: Yeah that was hopefully was on this card as well.

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Speaker 5: All Right, in the nature of time. So Ian, you

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Speaker 5: switched your pick from Jack, from Marvin Vctori to Jack

767
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Speaker 5: Romancon largely because Jack was the underdog and you saw

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Speaker 5: a little bit of value there, and again you're playing

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Speaker 5: with a lead. But let's talk about this fight a

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Speaker 5: little bit, because ken Flow, we had such an intriguing

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Speaker 5: fighter meeting with Jackerman with Marvin Vatory. Excuse me, a

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Speaker 5: little underslept here, a little hungover, not gonna lie to you,

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Speaker 5: but I said to Marvin, I'm like, you know, you're

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Speaker 5: the betting favorite, and I mean that is a measure

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Speaker 5: of respect, even though it's not coming from maybe people

776
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Speaker 5: that you know, but there's a lot of respect in that.

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Speaker 5: And he's like, of course I'm the favorite.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: As humbly as Marvin could say that this is a

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Speaker 5: hell of a middleweight, I think he just needed a

781
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Speaker 5: chance to prove himself on a big stage, and at

782
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Speaker 5: least statistically, that was the busiest middleweight fight in UFC history.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's a great way to put it.

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Speaker 8: I mean, to be able to take advantage of something

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Speaker 8: like that in the main event spot against a tough

786
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Speaker 8: dude and Jack Hermanson, I thought really positioned him extremely well.

787
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Speaker 8: I think I misunderstand, you know, I really misinterpreted Victorian

788
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Speaker 8: kind of how he fights and what he's been doing lately.

789
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Speaker 8: I think he's a guy that is getting better. I

790
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 8: think he really performed extremely well. That left hand was

791
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Speaker 8: firing all night, My goodness, just brutal shots.

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Speaker 5: Her Manson is tough as hell, but Vittory just looked

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Speaker 5: on man.

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Speaker 8: I mean, there was nothing really where I thought he

795
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Speaker 8: was gonna be in trouble.

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Speaker 5: He didn't get overly emotional. I thought he managed that well.

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Speaker 8: I was a little concerned with his pacing in the

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Speaker 8: first round, but man, the kind of shape that he

799
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Speaker 8: has to be in to keep that pace and eat

800
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Speaker 8: those shots that he did against her Manson as well,

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Speaker 8: I thought was just amazing. And it was just an

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Speaker 8: unbelievable performance from Victory.

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Speaker 5: I and I have so much respect for Jack Harmanson

804
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Speaker 5: in defeat Marvin Vittoria is not the first fighter who

805
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Speaker 5: has to take a round off, so to speak, to

806
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Speaker 5: win a five round fight. What'd you make of the

807
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Speaker 5: main event over the weekend.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, but Tory. We get a lot of vibes

809
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Speaker 9: from certain fighters when they are up and coming. We

810
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 9: just say they're built different, you know.

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Speaker 10: And we've been saying this about Vitry for a while now,

812
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Speaker 10: going from Roberson to Hermanson and then Jackie the underdog.

813
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 10: I did see value that, but my breakdown really was

814
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Speaker 10: spot on with how Victory was gonna win this fight

815
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Speaker 10: before I switched.

816
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Speaker 9: I think Marvin Vittori is just different.

817
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 10: I think, and I said to you off camera with COVID,

818
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 10: it's either gonna make stars or break guys from the

819
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Speaker 10: top that are taking fights because of you know, they

820
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Speaker 10: won the fight. Jack had three different opponents, and out

821
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Speaker 10: of the three, this one had the least amount of

822
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Speaker 10: name and hype behind him, and Marvin took advantage. And

823
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Speaker 10: now we're gonna see him highly ranked. I think Victory's

824
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 10: got a lot of momentum going. I think he's gonna

825
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Speaker 10: be someone who's gonna be a problem.

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Speaker 9: I thought it was a little weird in the third round.

827
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Speaker 10: I saw his energy did but like you said, I

828
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Speaker 10: guess he just felt like he was up too. Oh.

829
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Speaker 9: That corner work on his side was phenomenal.

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Speaker 10: They let him know it like like you're up to

831
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Speaker 10: to Oh third round, you lost it good, you got

832
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Speaker 10: your energy, get back out there hopiol Gudero was perfect

833
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 10: with that. Yeah, I mean, and Trevor Whitman was spot

834
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Speaker 10: on calling out that corner work and literally Victory comes

835
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Speaker 10: out and does exactly what his coach says, unlike some

836
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Speaker 10: other guys that we watch where they don't listen to

837
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Speaker 10: their coach literally at all. We don't need to call

838
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 10: out names or weekend later. But the Tory's built different man.

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Speaker 9: He looked great. Jack Ramanton's so tough, but we all

840
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Speaker 9: knew once he.

841
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Speaker 10: Couldn't get that once he couldn't get that fight to

842
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Speaker 10: the ground and end up on top.

843
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Speaker 9: And it was a boxing match. He wasn't gonna win that.

844
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Speaker 5: Fight, Kenny. When a lot of handicappers are looking at

845
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Speaker 5: a fight, one of the conditions is hunger. Championship. Hunger

846
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 5: drive what motivates a fighter, and sometimes that can be

847
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: hard to quantify. But I think in these two particular athletes,

848
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 5: they might care about their girlfriends and certain things and

849
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 5: their families, right, but these guys, all they care about

850
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 5: is being UFC champion, and it is so clear. And

851
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Speaker 5: I do think there are huge discrepancies in the UFC.

852
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 5: You know, Jimmy Smith used to say the happy to

853
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 5: be here's you know, guys who are just trying to

854
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 5: sign that UFC contract to be a UFC fighter, Give

855
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Speaker 5: me my fight kit and all my gear, and there

856
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Speaker 5: aren't that many of those. But I don't know, Ken Flow.

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Speaker 5: I guess my biggest takeaway is that the cupboard is

858
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Speaker 5: not at all bare. Underneath Israel lot of Sondia. There

859
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Speaker 5: are a lot of good fighters and a lot of

860
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Speaker 5: guys who have championship metal and a burning desire to

861
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Speaker 5: be the best in the world. Absolutely, I mean that's

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Speaker 5: the way it should be, right.

863
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 8: I mean, for me, I was not going to be

864
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 8: in the UFC if I didn't want to be a champion.

865
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 8: There's no point. It's just too dangerous of a mindset.

866
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 8: And you could see both Jack Hermanson and Marvin Vittori

867
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 8: wanted to be there. Those guys clearly wanted it. They

868
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 8: were trying to take each other's heads off. We got

869
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 8: an absolute classic fight because of it. But yeah, I

870
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 8: think you could see that. Butry's not here to screw around.

871
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 8: He means it. He's the real deal, you know, and

872
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 8: he's not just a hammer, you know. And that's kind

873
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 8: of the test I think you look for. Also, is

874
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 8: that it's fine when you're the hammer. You're out there

875
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 8: kicking ass.

876
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 5: It's easy. It's easy to be a fighter.

877
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 8: But when you look at someone and how they respond

878
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 8: to adversity and what happens when they start to take shots,

879
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 8: I thought he proved that he's here to stay and

880
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 8: that he's not going to go away easy.

881
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 5: All right, let's get into some picks. You have see

882
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 5: two fifty six beckins this weekend figadetto versus Moreno, isn't

883
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 5: that crazy? Twenty one days between title defenses for Figuretto

884
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 5: If you saw the graphic last night, this blows Ronda

885
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 5: Rousey and Matthews out of the water with fifty six

886
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 5: days between defenses. But you guys tied four to four,

887
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 5: so the lead remains fourteen. Essentially, it's out of reach

888
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 5: now with a couple shows to go. But let's get

889
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 5: into it here. Ian will have you lead on the heavyweights.

890
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 5: This is going to be the main card opener live

891
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 5: on pay per view. Seed Ole Ghana minus four twenty,

892
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 5: Junior Dosanto's plus three p thirty five and JDS is

893
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 5: plus three thirty five in large part because he has

894
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 5: lost three straight fights. Ian Ghana three and oh when

895
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: he signed with the UFCEE a lot of unknowns, then

896
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 5: fewer now three and oh in the UFC six and

897
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 5: ohero overall and a big favorite here against JDS. Your

898
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 5: thoughts on.

899
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 10: A betting standpoint, minus four twenty's a little steep on

900
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 10: a guy who hasn't fought this level of competition. On

901
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 10: junior side, We're just seeing the same out of him.

902
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 10: He did look good against Rosen Strike early on, you know,

903
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 10: right right.

904
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 9: I just think that.

905
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 10: Ghana is another guy who's built different and we're gonna

906
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 10: and this is an opportunity for a guy to get

907
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 10: a big name on his resume early on. So I'm

908
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 10: gonna lean that way on a banning betting standpoint. So

909
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 10: I I understand why people may want to touch JDS here,

910
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 10: but I'm not going.

911
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 9: To for the show purpose. I'm gonna go Ghana.

912
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 5: Ken Floy your thoughts on the heavyweight Curtains Jerker. They

913
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 5: are on pay per view, kid.

914
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 8: You know, I have a little I am surprised by

915
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 8: that number as well, you know, But I do think

916
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 8: we have a fighter in junior Do Santos who perhaps

917
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 8: has lost that that mindset that you were talking about.

918
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 8: Maybe he is just happy to go out there and

919
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 8: collect a paycheck. And you know, he had his time

920
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 8: and he's just trying to stay busy and make some money.

921
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 8: And that's not the mindset you want to go in

922
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 8: there against someone like Ghana. I think that this is

923
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 8: a guy who is extremely dangerous. His height, his ability

924
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 8: to keep the proper range is going to make him

925
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 8: a problem for someone like Junior Do Santo's.

926
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 5: I think Dos Santos has a shot.

927
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 8: Of course, We're talking about a guy who has a

928
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 8: lot of speed, still has his speed, still has knockout power,

929
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 8: and I think he he'll probably have the faster hands.

930
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 5: But it's hard for me to pick against Ghana right now.

931
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 5: All right, both guys like sead Ol Ghana at heavyweight.

932
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 5: Next up, Ian, we will start with you on this one,

933
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 5: but don't worry, We'll have Ken Fli lead the main event.

934
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 5: Just chill. Kevin Holland minus won sixty five. Jakade So's

935
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 5: a plus one forty five. Here's hoping this fight stays together.

936
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 5: So crazy in this COVID climate right that, I'm looking

937
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 5: at a UFC two to fifty six card that says

938
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 5: Marvin victory versus JACKA day Sosa by the way, that

939
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 5: Kevin Holland couldn't fight in the main event last week,

940
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 5: but he'll be able to fight knock On Wood this weekend.

941
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 5: Plus one forty five for Jaka Day because Kevin Holland

942
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 5: has won four in a row and has a lot

943
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 5: of momentum and is the younger, seemingly more prime fighter. Ian,

944
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 5: what do you think about this one? At eighty five, I.

945
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 9: Would say COVID nineteen is a hell of a fucking matchmaker.

946
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 5: I'm telling you it's pretty wild.

947
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 10: I don't know if we've ever had an easier mix

948
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 10: and match and it makes sense overall. Again, another guy

949
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 10: in Kevin Holland, who was just built different, who's getting

950
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 10: an opportunity he wouldn't get under normal circumstances to fight

951
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 10: this far up the ladder really quick. I think Kenny's

952
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 10: gonna pick Jakra At a loyalty to the jiu jitsu

953
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 10: world and all that other good stuff, but I am

954
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 10: loyal to nobody on this show. I'm here to fucking win.

955
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 9: I like Kevin Holland here. I think the speed and

956
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 9: the athleticism.

957
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 10: I think he's going to be the faster striker, and

958
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 10: he's hard to take down. Since that Brendan Allen fight,

959
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 10: he's showed way better takedown defense, and again that mindset

960
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 10: of his just that level of confidence like he just

961
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 10: can't be beat, not on such a cockiness lettl but

962
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 10: just so so sure of himself and what he can do.

963
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 10: I think gets him past Jackray and I think we

964
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 10: see victory Kevin Holland fight really soon, which I would really.

965
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 5: Like to say, can fillop By the way, I'm changing

966
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 5: your pick to JDS just to give you a chance

967
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 5: to win the man I probably should have. Who do

968
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 5: you have, Kevin?

969
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 8: You know, Listen, it's clear that Kevin Holland has way

970
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 8: more momentum right now. I also think that he's a

971
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 8: guy who's going to be way more technical as a striker,

972
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 8: really coming into his own there. I do think Jock

973
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 8: Garray Soza can pose some problems both on the feet,

974
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 8: just based on his power, based on his experience, his

975
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 8: high level experience, I should say, and the fact that

976
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 8: this is a guy who if he takes you down,

977
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 8: he could submit anybody in that division. So I will

978
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 8: go with Jack Garray. You are correct there, Ian, Listen.

979
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 8: I think Kevin Holland is a favorite for a reason,

980
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 8: no doubt about it. But I kind of like that

981
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 8: underdog pick and Jock Garray Sosa. It's tough him coming

982
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 8: in here like this. I don't know how much time

983
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 8: he had to prepare and what kind of shape he's in,

984
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 8: But let's go with Sosa.

985
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see Jacqua Day climb those steps

986
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 5: like a fucking alligator right from a sixteens all right.

987
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 5: Next up on the main card in the lightweight division,

988
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 5: where Hanato Moi Kano now resides. He's a plus one

989
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 5: twenty underdog here against Kurzikstan's Raphael Fhazib, who is minus

990
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 5: one forty national champion in combat Sambo, lesser known quantity

991
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 5: here Ian, but obviously he has Vegas respect, he's the favorite.

992
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 5: What do you think about this one of fifty five?

993
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 10: This one's a very very interesting matchup. I have a

994
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 10: hard time picking either way. I just think between what

995
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 10: the there two fights, boy Kno ended it quickly in

996
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 10: a very weird conversation.

997
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 9: Why'd you beat me so fast?

998
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 4: Uh?

999
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 9: Because I wanted to right?

1000
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 10: And then if Azeve I just think he was so impressive,

1001
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 10: he showed so much improvement in his game, and if

1002
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 10: this fight stays standing. This guy, I'm pretty sure it

1003
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 10: came from the matrix, So I'm gonna go gazive.

1004
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 5: Listen.

1005
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 10: If Kno can get this fight to the floor, He's

1006
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 10: got the jiu jitsu advantage and no doubt, but I

1007
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 10: just don't see that happening. A lot of these guys

1008
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 10: when they get comfortable striking, they get that George Gergel syndrome.

1009
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 9: They wanted to show that they can strike. They're not

1010
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 9: just jiu jitsu guys.

1011
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 10: I swear I'm gonna use that phrase forever because so

1012
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 10: damn true. And he lost me a lot of money

1013
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 10: against what's his face? But anyway, I'm gonna go to Zeve.

1014
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 5: Raphael Fhazev born in Kazakhstan, fighting out of Kurzikstan, Kentflow

1015
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 5: coming off the Fight of the Night win over Mark

1016
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 5: Cha Casey that was on Fight Island, looked out standing,

1017
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 5: certainly has power, hand to hand combat credentials in addition

1018
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 5: to the combat sambo, and a huge opportunity for him

1019
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 5: at twenty seven to fight somebody in Moikano who's making

1020
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 5: his tenth UFC start here. Any thoughts on this one

1021
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 5: in your division? Kid? You know?

1022
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 8: FACEIV is a fantastic striker, very dynamic, very fast, very powerful.

1023
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 5: He moves very well, and I don't like that for Moikano.

1024
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 8: I do think that Moikano has some good experience, so

1025
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 8: he could maybe get it done. You know, Moikano is

1026
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 8: a presilla just to black belt. But there's two things

1027
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 8: that concern me. You know, I don't think he's that

1028
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 8: dangerous on the ground, you know, I think that if

1029
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 8: he does get him there, yeah, sure, he should definitely

1030
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 8: be the better guy in the ground. Is the best

1031
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 8: persilla to black belt in the world. Probably not. Does

1032
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 8: he have high level wrestling skills where I'm like he's

1033
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 8: definitely gonna take down for Zive?

1034
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 5: Probably not. So, you know, unfortunately I have to agree

1035
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 5: with Ian here. All right. I was most excited today

1036
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 5: to get your co main events selections to see if

1037
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 5: one of you would back Charles Olivera at plus one

1038
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 5: forty five. If you have bet on him in his

1039
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 5: last seven fights, you have been able to walk to

1040
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 5: the window and cash all of those seven tickets. He

1041
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 5: is the underdog here against del Kukui Tony ferguson minus

1042
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 5: one sixty five co main event here, Ian, we will

1043
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 5: need the round and the method of victory. There are

1044
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 5: some variables with Tony Ferguson, namely, how does he respond

1045
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 5: to the Geechee fight? That was absolutely brutal, But he

1046
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 5: is still Tony Ferguson, Olivera's the most decorated submission artists

1047
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 5: at UFC history. I mean, this is a main event.

1048
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 5: This is a huge, huge fight at fifty five. I

1049
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 5: wish it was twenty five minutes. It is fifteen. Ian

1050
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 5: who wits well.

1051
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 10: The fact that you just even mentioned the difference in

1052
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 10: how many rounds this goes plays a huge difference in

1053
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 10: who I pick here? Right, this was five rounds. I

1054
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 10: wouldn't even look at Charles Olivera. I look right at

1055
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 10: Tony fergus and say, don't be an asshole, okay, and

1056
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 10: just fight how you fight, how you've been fighting.

1057
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 9: Learn from Gechee.

1058
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 10: We haven't seen him losing god knows how long. Soin

1059
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 10: to your point, again, we don't know how he responds,

1060
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 10: especially to a guy in Olivera who just all of

1061
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 10: a sudden's knocking people out. Now, has Olivera fought this

1062
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 10: level of competition in.

1063
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 9: His entire career? No, he is not either.

1064
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 10: So these are the two I really balance on an

1065
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 10: underdog standpoint three rounds. I am going to take a

1066
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 10: shot on Charles Olivera here, all right. I do think

1067
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 10: that in these scrambles, this is not a guy that

1068
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 10: Tony Ferguson's gonna do a million tumble salts and cartwheels

1069
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 10: out and this guy will still stay on his back.

1070
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 10: Kenny smiling because I think Kenny wanted to go OLIVERI

1071
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 10: here too, and I one hundred percent know why. Striking wise,

1072
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 10: Tony's unconventional, but he's not the most technical striker. And

1073
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 10: I think if Olivera uses his range, uses that pushkick,

1074
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 10: this is.

1075
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 9: Gonna be a tough fight for Tony.

1076
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 10: He's finally fighting a guy who is gonna oblage on

1077
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 10: the ground and.

1078
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 9: Be the better ground guy all over the place.

1079
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 10: So again, any time for Olivera to step up and

1080
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 10: get a shot towards that title.

1081
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 9: He did it against Kevin Lee, and I said he

1082
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 9: had to do it. Then he has to do it now.

1083
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 10: He knows that Charles Olivera, Ah, I can't see anybody.

1084
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 9: Finishing Tony the way justin that.

1085
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 10: I'll save decision, but I don't like that pick, but

1086
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 10: I will go Olivera.

1087
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 5: So last fight for Charles Olivera can flow. You sometimes

1088
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 5: forget because it was right when COVID nineteen hit. It

1089
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 5: was that main event in Brazilia against Kevin Lee. I

1090
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 5: wouldn't knock the strength of schedule necessarily as much as

1091
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 5: Ian Parker would. Certainly it's not on a Tony Ferguson

1092
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 5: like level. But this man has been there, he has

1093
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 5: done that, he has certainly rounded into for him and

1094
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 5: he's still only thirty one. I certainly can understand why

1095
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 5: sharp minds like Ian would see value in Charles. I mean,

1096
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 5: what do you think about this matchup?

1097
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 8: Well, I also think there's something to be said for

1098
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 8: just gaining experience, and gaining the right experience, right I think,

1099
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 8: you know, getting all that momentum and having the ability

1100
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 8: to execute different fight strategies and fight different guys. You know,

1101
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 8: I think has made Charles Olivera who he is right now.

1102
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 8: I think that's why this guy is so good. I think,

1103
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 8: you know, you talk about a submission game. I couldn't

1104
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 8: agree more with Ian. I think he's absolutely going to

1105
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 8: be the better submission guy, and I think that's rare

1106
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 8: for Tony. Tony typically goes in there knowing he's the

1107
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 8: more dangerous submission, so he can kind of screw around and.

1108
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 5: Get a little bit crazy.

1109
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 8: I don't know if he can take that approach here

1110
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 8: against Charles Olivera.

1111
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 5: One mistake and it could be over.

1112
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 8: So I'm really curious to see that the kind of

1113
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 8: strategy he takes out there. I don't see Charles Olvera

1114
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 8: necessarily taking him down, but if Tony decides to take

1115
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 8: him down, Tony might be in trouble. So he's got

1116
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 8: to be careful there, especially in the transition. I do

1117
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 8: think Tony overall will be the more durable guy based

1118
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 8: on what we've seen. Again, we don't know what happened.

1119
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 8: We've seen fighters again. You see fighters get old overnight.

1120
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that's the case with Tony Ferguson, but

1121
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 8: after having a war and taking the kind of damage

1122
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 8: that he did against someone like Gaichie, it is concerning. However,

1123
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with old, faithful Tony Ferguson. I think

1124
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 8: he'll be able to get it done. I could see

1125
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 8: him getting a stoppage a little bit later in the fight.

1126
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 8: It usually takes him a little bit, a little bit

1127
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 8: to get warmed up. But let's go with Tony Ferguson.

1128
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 8: So let's go Ferguson. Third round TKO, third round TKO

1129
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 8: for El Kukui. Tony Ferguson, who deserves your respect for

1130
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 8: taking this fight. I mean he wanted to fight.

1131
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 5: But uh, Charles Olivera in a lot of respects as

1132
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 5: an avoided man at one hundred and fifty five pounds.

1133
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 5: All right, kem flow will lead with you on the

1134
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 5: main event. Both of these guys fought November twenty first

1135
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 5: at UFC two to fifty five. Davison FIGUDEDO minus two

1136
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 5: to ninety in as similar range as he was against

1137
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 5: Alex Perez Brandon Moreno plus two forty five. Will need

1138
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 5: the round and the method of victory. My reports from

1139
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 5: Las Vegas are that Davison figureto has been omnipresident at

1140
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 5: the UFCPI his weight is low. I think this is

1141
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 5: a huge benefit in terms of the weight management for Davison,

1142
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 5: and I do believe that that is a factor. Again,

1143
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 5: we were told it was going to be a real

1144
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 5: tough cut for two fifty five, and he was one

1145
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 5: of the first guys there. So sometimes I got to

1146
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 5: sift through the misinformation even on the ground. But I

1147
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 5: think it stands to reason that for Figuedo, given his

1148
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 5: frame and how hard this cut has been, I think

1149
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 5: that could potentially be a big factor with that backdrop

1150
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 5: flow who wins the Flyway title and how do they

1151
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 5: get it done well?

1152
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 8: Listen, I think that he will have a tough cut

1153
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 8: every single time, no matter what. But I do agree

1154
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 8: with you that, you know, having come off of a

1155
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 8: recent win, recent fight and staying in Vegas, I think

1156
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 8: he's gonna be feeling way better about that. And I

1157
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 8: think that he's a guy that has a lot of

1158
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 8: different weapons. He has the submission game, He clearly has

1159
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 8: the power. I mean, I don't think we'll see many

1160
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 8: guys that have that kind of power at one hundred

1161
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 8: and twenty five pounds. It's just extremely rare, and Davison

1162
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 8: definitely has that. I think that's the thing that really

1163
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 8: stands out for me is that he can change the

1164
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 8: fight in an instant. Moreno, can keep a certain pace

1165
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 8: and win rounds properly and do the right things. And

1166
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 8: I think he's well rounded and can cause some problems

1167
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 8: for Figaredo. Is he better than Figuredo on the ground?

1168
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 8: Is he better as a wrestler. Does he have have

1169
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 8: more power, does he have more tools on the feet.

1170
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 8: I don't know. I mean it's close. We're certainly gonna

1171
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 8: find out. It's just hard for me to bet against

1172
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 8: someone like Davison Figureda right now. I think Davison is

1173
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 8: is most likely going to have his shot at hurting

1174
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 8: Moreno at some point during that fight. I think we'll

1175
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 8: probably come in the third round, and I think it

1176
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 8: will probably be a knockout or tko Ian Parker.

1177
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 5: Any value on the Moraino side.

1178
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 10: I think Kenny just said that absolutely perfectly. I think

1179
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 10: this fight may look a lot like when Figureo fought Pantosia,

1180
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 10: another guy who's a technical striker, fast, high paced, strong

1181
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 10: jiu jitsu, and look what the champ did.

1182
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 9: It's just that power. You know, these guys.

1183
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 10: Want to when they get in those moments where they

1184
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 10: just throw it out, and Moreno will throw down with him.

1185
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1186
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 9: I think the one thing where Moreno, I think Moreno.

1187
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 10: May be just a he throws a lot of volume,

1188
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 10: is you know he will and Hero does not. So

1189
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 10: if Marino could stay away from that power, and if

1190
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 10: he could end up on top during the scrambles.

1191
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 9: I think he's smart enough to not get guillotine. I

1192
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 9: do think there is value and bringing Moreno.

1193
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 10: But to Kenny's point, how do you bet against the

1194
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 10: biggest villain, scariest guy in the in the UFC, you

1195
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 10: have like gone, you at heavyweight and this guy here

1196
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 10: at one twenty five, and like you see this guy

1197
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 10: and you're like, fuck, like how is he a one

1198
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 10: twenty five or how have you? Like if you walk

1199
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 10: into a bar and you see this little guy with

1200
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 10: that hair, you know, the minute he looks through your soul,

1201
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 10: You're like fuck. And then all of a sudden he

1202
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 10: like knocks you out or subs you really quick. You're like, wow,

1203
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 10: big fuck, Like this is this guy is the real deal.

1204
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 10: I think Moreno is gonna surprise some people here if

1205
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 10: he doesn't get.

1206
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 9: Knocked out quick.

1207
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I will go.

1208
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 10: I will go to the champ by decision. I don't

1209
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 10: think either guy is going to finish the other. I

1210
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 10: said that last time, and then the champ one round one.

1211
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 10: But this is the type of fight that brings one

1212
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 10: twenty five in the flyways back to life.

1213
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 9: This is gonna be a fight.

1214
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 10: I think people are gonna say I could watch this

1215
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 10: fight happen every few months because after this, I don't

1216
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 10: know who's next that people.

1217
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 9: Are gonna get as excited for unless the champ goes up.

1218
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 5: And wait, all right, we have a belt. Three more

1219
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 5: minutes with kem Flow. I'm gonna do two quick picks

1220
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 5: and then I want to get a final thought from

1221
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 5: the former three time UFC title challenger on the way out.

1222
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 5: Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt versus Brazilian jiu jitsu black

1223
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 5: belt Mackenzie Durn minus one seventy five Vina Jeni Doba

1224
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 5: plus one fifty five in Parker. Which way you going,

1225
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 5: Jenji Doba Ken Flow?

1226
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 4: What do you?

1227
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 5: What do you have here? Wow, Mackenzie Durn, if you're

1228
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 5: watching the video, I'm.

1229
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 8: Gonna yeah, I listen. I'm gonna go with drn I listen.

1230
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 8: I think that Vima is a beast. I think she's

1231
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 8: very dangerous. I just think she does her best work

1232
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 8: on the ground. You know, there's black belts and then

1233
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 8: there's Mackenzie Durn level black belts.

1234
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 5: I think Mackenzie gets it done by submission, all right,

1235
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 5: and that every other way. Yeah.

1236
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 10: The reason why it shows that pick is Mackenzie durn

1237
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 10: her last two fights. She did it off her back

1238
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 10: against people of way lesser credentials and BJJ Random Marcos

1239
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 10: and Hannah Czeipher's right, I think going against someone in Jandy,

1240
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 10: this is a different level. She's not gonna be able

1241
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 10: to do those legs, those arbos over her back.

1242
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 9: I don't even know what I just said, what I

1243
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 9: called her.

1244
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 5: I mean this chop at her last name in half.

1245
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 5: You drop the fucking gone you a moment ago and

1246
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 5: Ken flowing Cody, You're dying in the background.

1247
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 9: I say, Cody hasn't blanked in sixteen minutes.

1248
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 10: I didn't want to hear that. In one number two.

1249
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 10: That small coffee cup of yours have been lasting way

1250
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 10: too long for the way you look. It is bothering me.

1251
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 10: This large what is that a medium coffee cup? You

1252
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 10: look like you've been up for six days? Can't you

1253
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 10: a man?

1254
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 9: Coffee? Kenny help him Cody?

1255
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 10: For new shows, we need a coffee sponsor. So when

1256
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 10: John's in this situation, he does, Yeah, dude, you've been

1257
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 10: sipping on that take for thirty minutes. That smaller than

1258
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 10: right than a kid's cup.

1259
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 5: I'm just hurting today. I mean, I'm not going to

1260
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 5: mince words. We're taping this at seven o'clock in bigger coffee.

1261
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 9: I'm trying to get you a man coffee.

1262
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 5: No, I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm not so worried about

1263
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 5: the coffee. I'm just worried about not flubbing my every word.

1264
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 5: And it's funny. I posted a tweet like, oh, I'm

1265
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 5: going to bed taping Anta Chlorian podcast in like five hours,

1266
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 5: and people are like, dude, go to bed, and it's

1267
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 5: like FUCKO. I drink energy drinks in coffee all night

1268
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 5: so I can for eight hours, a little tired after

1269
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 5: the show, have a hard time turning it off. John,

1270
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 5: love you though.

1271
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 9: This night to record this show. I love you all right.

1272
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 5: So at featherweight, I'm fascinated by this betting line, by

1273
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 5: this fight. Daniel Panada minus one thirty five look like

1274
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 5: a wrecking machine ken Flow, and he came back to

1275
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 5: the UFC taking on Cup Swanson, who's plus one fifteen

1276
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 5: and coming off of torn acl ken Flow? Who do

1277
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 5: you have here? Quickly? Jeez?

1278
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 8: Uh, you know what I'll go with Paneda? He looked fantastic. Yeah, Ian,

1279
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 8: who do you have?

1280
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 5: My man?

1281
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 9: Love you Cup swantson and I'm taking Paneda as well.

1282
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 5: All right, and then Ken Flow we will get you

1283
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 5: out of here on this and Ian I'll get your

1284
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 5: thoughts after we we let ken Flow fly Roman Dalidze

1285
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 5: versus John Allen on the main card. We could certainly

1286
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 5: talk about Dealidse's performance and his career trajectory at light heavyweight,

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Speaker 5: but I think you have no choice but to talk

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Speaker 5: about the waywards scorecard that gave John Allen this fight eight.

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Speaker 5: It was Chris Lee. I will confront chrisly and have

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Speaker 5: it confronts probably the wrong verb. I will have a

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Speaker 5: conversation with this man about this specific scorecard when I

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Speaker 5: see him again, because I need clarity on this. Kenle,

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Speaker 5: You've talked ad nauseum about generally judges not having a

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Speaker 5: respect for the grappling game, and in this situation, I mean,

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Speaker 5: what am I missing? What am I missing? Three nil

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Speaker 5: dealds for me, very very.

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Speaker 8: Clearly, I'll tell you what I missed. I missed the

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Speaker 8: decision and my buddies here were watching. A buddy who

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Speaker 8: was watching the fight was like, yeah, he he lost it.

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Speaker 8: I said, what I thought they were joking? I walked away.

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Speaker 8: I thought it was as clear as day, Like, how

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01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 8: the hell does that happen?

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01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 5: How does that happen? It's insane?

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01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 8: Again, Uh, I don't know what chrisly is looking at.

1305
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 8: I don't know how he's judging these fights, but clearly

1306
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Speaker 8: something is off.

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Speaker 5: And again, I think I had a lot to do

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Speaker 5: with the ground game. You know.

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Speaker 8: Again, I think that there is just a complete ignorance

1310
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Speaker 8: and misunderstanding of what's going on during that fight. I mean,

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Speaker 8: I don't know. I thought it was pretty clear. Dude,

1312
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Speaker 8: what what's going on? How do you how do you

1313
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Speaker 8: score the other way? How do you trot him back out?

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Speaker 9: Chris Lee's betting the decision prop every week? We know

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Speaker 9: that it could be a fucking break.

1316
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Speaker 5: Hey, I mean I might. I don't know. It's crazy,

1317
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 5: pretty serious allegation, but no, it's uh. I just need

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Speaker 5: clarity on this one, right, because certainly his scorecard of

1319
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 5: Felder over Dosanjos was not a good scorecard, and he

1320
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Speaker 5: has been on the dissenting side of these split decisions

1321
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Speaker 5: time and time again. Right. I don't need to give

1322
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 5: you the math on it, but I just feel like,

1323
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Speaker 5: in this particular instance, I need to understand, Uh, why

1324
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 5: John Allen was awarded to imagine if we had opened

1325
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Speaker 5: scoring and they flashed that up there. If I'm deleted, say,

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01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 5: that'll wipe the smile off his face.

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Speaker 8: If he'sc sorry, toughness, is that what's right?

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Speaker 5: I like a man takes a good leg kick. I'm

1329
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 5: gonna give him a point for that. Yeah, yeah, Hey,

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Speaker 5: ken Flow, we appreciate you, Squeeze and U Sin. When

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Speaker 5: can people watch battle Bots on Discovery next? You have

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Speaker 5: that viewing information for us? I do I do that?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 8: The premiere happened on the third, right, so it will

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Speaker 8: be on the tenth at eight pm both on the

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Speaker 8: East Coast and on the West Coast eight pm on Discovery,

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Speaker 8: So thank you for giving.

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Speaker 5: Me that plug. All right, support your guy out there

1339
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 5: and a comploring podcast viewers us right if you like

1340
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Speaker 5: Robot fights or not. The show's outstanding and Ken Flow's

1341
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 5: got a hot mic, so support the guy, all right,

1342
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 5: get out of here. I'm gonna chop it up with

1343
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 5: Parker for a few but we appreciate you, Squeeze and

1344
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 5: a SIN and full show out of you next Sunday,

1345
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Speaker 5: and we know you'll bring it obviously after the pay

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Speaker 5: per view. Thanks Ma. Man, Thank you boys. So, Ian,

1347
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Speaker 5: would you ever be interested in going through the process

1348
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Speaker 5: of becoming an MMA judge? And let me let me

1349
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 5: add to that a little bit, right, you have two

1350
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 5: kids under the age of ten, so it's not realistic

1351
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 5: for what judges make for you to go out and

1352
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 5: do that, you know, But I do think that it

1353
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 5: would be somebody like you who knows the game acutely

1354
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 5: and intimately, who watches every show, who does have a

1355
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 5: wrestling background, you know. I think we got to open

1356
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 5: up the floodgates a little bit and really start to

1357
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 5: figure out a way to create some elite judges. Would

1358
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 5: that be something that you would be interested in doing

1359
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 5: selectively in your life or no.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm going to make this my parting shot because

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01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 10: I have to cut out also in a minute.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's right, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 9: No, you're good, so real quick.

1364
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Speaker 10: It's funny a lot of people were actually writing to

1365
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 10: me over the last few weeks, but they with Christy

1366
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 10: asking me, Hey.

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Speaker 9: You seem to know your stuff. Is this something you

1368
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 9: would do?

1369
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Speaker 10: And it's funny that you said that, And I'm not

1370
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Speaker 10: just saying that because you brought up I would one

1371
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Speaker 10: hundred percent and take that on. I really would. I

1372
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 10: feel like there needs to be a change. I feel

1373
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 10: like I'm someone that really understands the fight game. I

1374
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 10: understand the ground game, striking, you know, I understand, you know,

1375
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 10: the forward movement, all aspects of the game.

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Speaker 9: A guy and Chris Lee, I don't think he's watching

1377
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 9: the fight.

1378
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 10: I think Kenny jokes about taking damage, but I think

1379
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 10: this guy really is messing with people's lives here. You know,

1380
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 10: imagine if it went Allen's way, Imagine if it went

1381
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 10: Felder's way, and seven of the other fights he did

1382
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 10: all the way back to other organizations. It's kind of

1383
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 10: a dangerous thing playing with someone's careers like that. It's

1384
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 10: someone's career like that. You know, it's not a team

1385
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 10: sport where you're throwing a pass in appearance, you know,

1386
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 10: flag with one taking up the one yard line, your

1387
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 10: team will bounce back.

1388
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Speaker 9: That's never one person's fault.

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Speaker 5: You know.

1390
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Speaker 10: Other players of other sports are measured by their season

1391
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 10: long stats. Fighters are not. Because you can't control how

1392
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 10: many times you fight throughout the year based on injury,

1393
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 10: and Chris Lee is really taking that away from fighters

1394
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 10: boxers in general. So, John, if there is a way

1395
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 10: for me to step into it. I'm all years, I

1396
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 10: would one hundred percent take that out.

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01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 5: No, it's the issue is it's not like a step

1398
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 5: in thing. It's a.

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Speaker 10: No, I really really would. I love this sport. I

1400
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 10: breathe it, I bleed it, sleep and eat it. However

1401
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 10: you the saying goes, and I feel like I would

1402
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 10: be able to contribute some justice to the scoring system

1403
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 10: and to the way this thing goes.

1404
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 9: Because that fight with John Allen, he didn't win a

1405
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 9: he didn't win a single round.

1406
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 5: Well, right, yeah, Chris has been well I'm not going

1407
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 5: to start taking personal shots, but he has been an

1408
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 5: MMA judge for a long time, so it's not as

1409
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 5: though this is some boxing judge who is crossing over. So, uh,

1410
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Speaker 5: I don't know, man, you know, I mean we talked

1411
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 5: about it with long ago, obviously earlier, and uh it's

1412
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 5: a real issue. But if you want to affect change,

1413
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 5: we just need we need more volume of elite judges.

1414
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 5: And uh, I'm five five cards instead of three might

1415
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 5: help as well. All right, If you want Ian Parker's

1416
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 5: best bet for UFC two fifty six, you will only

1417
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 5: find it on his social media channels at Ian Parker Mma.

1418
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Speaker 5: So that's coming up later in the weekend. Uh, I

1419
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 5: gotta go to bed, buddy. We will talk to you

1420
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 5: next week. I appreciate it.

1421
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 9: You got it, man, Have a good one. Drink some

1422
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 9: real sized coffee, coding coffee.

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Speaker 5: Get that coffee sponsor. All right? That is if for

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Speaker 5: the main event challenge. Our final order of business will

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Speaker 5: be the pick to click. Let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: Time now for the pick to click, the pic to click.

1427
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Speaker 2: And Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 5: view week, we are now joined by the man the

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Speaker 5: tfo Z, my twin brother just refers to you as

1443
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Speaker 5: jtfo Z, Like that's what he calls you. He's been

1444
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Speaker 5: riding all your NFL teasers, so he feels like he

1445
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 5: owes you some sort of of fee. But we can

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01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 5: get to that later. On Instagram, it's paper Chaser Joe.

1447
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Speaker 5: So this whole I mean, you know, I love your

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01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 5: energy on Instagram with these videos. Yes, like turn to

1449
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 5: the camera. I mean, did that like originate organically? Because

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Speaker 5: I just fucking love it? Bro, I have to say

1451
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Speaker 5: that off the top.

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Speaker 11: Well, yeah, just like I always say, you know, some

1453
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 11: people forget that the sports stuff. It's, uh, there's an

1454
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 11: entertainment side to it, right, And you know, I grew

1455
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 11: up the big professional wrestling fan, and you see those

1456
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 11: crazy promos where you know, the guys are just losing

1457
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 11: their minds.

1458
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:34,919
Speaker 4: So I try to bring a little bit.

1459
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Speaker 11: Of fun to it because you know, I've always had

1460
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 11: the philosophy of you know, there's a thousand other guys

1461
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 11: out there covering the same stuff I do. A lot

1462
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 11: of these guys have a much bigger platform than I do.

1463
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 11: So you know, you got to stand out a little

1464
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 11: bit without being too obnoxious. I'm sure it's not everyone's

1465
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 11: cup of tea, but yeah, just like that one.

1466
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Speaker 5: With it right, And I have obviously a living, breathing

1467
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Speaker 5: human being that I shared DNA with and he's a

1468
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Speaker 5: fan as well, and great stuff on the teasers. We'll

1469
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Speaker 5: get to some NFL stuff on the back end. But

1470
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Speaker 5: I know you're invested in mixed martial arts and especially

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Speaker 5: these UFC the larger events where it gives you a

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Speaker 5: lot of time to immerse yourself in the card. So

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Speaker 5: Davison Figuretto fought twenty one days ago, making UFC history

1474
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Speaker 5: with this quick turnaround about a three to one favorite,

1475
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 5: similarly priced as he was against Alex Perez here against

1476
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 5: Brandon Moreno, who also makes the quick turn. I haven't

1477
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Speaker 5: found a lot of people thus far who are backing

1478
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Speaker 5: the Morenos side. How do you handicap this main events?

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Speaker 11: It's Figuretto, but it's just figuring out how you want

1480
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 11: to bet him and how you can get some actual

1481
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 11: value because you know, like a lot of people, I

1482
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,799
Speaker 11: have no interest in making a minus three hundred bets.

1483
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 11: So Figueroto, I truly believe you know, he is the

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01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 11: next great Brazilian mixed marcial artist. I think he has

1485
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 11: the ability to follow in the footsteps of Jose Aldo

1486
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 11: and Anderson Silva. Like we've never seen punching power like

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Speaker 11: this at the one hundred and twenty five pound weight class.

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01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 11: And when he gets in those grappling exchanges, he's just

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 11: so damn strong, isn't he So? Like I said, extremely

1490
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 11: well rounded, And this guy's marketable because he is a finisher.

1491
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 11: Twenty one wins, seventeen of those were inside the distance.

1492
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Speaker 11: So that's how I'm gonna look to bet this inside

1493
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 11: the distance, hopefully get it down closer to even money.

1494
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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 11: His last fight versus Perez, he was plus five hundred

1496
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 11: to win by submission.

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Speaker 9: And I thought that was the gift of the year.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, jumped all over and that was the easiest plus

1499
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 11: five hundred bet I ever won in my life. You know,

1500
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 11: it's two minutes in, just like boom, clockwork, it happened.

1501
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 11: So I will be looking for the inside the distance.

1502
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 11: I will be looking for you know, if he's being

1503
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 11: offered at plus three hundred plus three fifty to win

1504
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 11: by submission, I'm going to jump on that too.

1505
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 9: Of course, you know he's one, but he's won.

1506
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 11: By sub three of his last four. Both men definitely

1507
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 11: welcome those grappling exchanges, and like I said, just his

1508
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 11: strength when he gets tied up with another guy, it's unbelievable.

1509
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 11: So yeah, I'm a big supporter of his and I

1510
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,839
Speaker 11: don't think there's any way this fight goes twenty five minutes.

1511
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 5: You can find those propositions. I think there's a lot

1512
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 5: of good insight there from Joe Osborne so co main event.

1513
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 5: I don't know if you have anything for us on

1514
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 5: this but Tony Ferguson about minus one sixty five the

1515
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 5: comeback on Charles Olivera plus one forty five on this program.

1516
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 5: Olivera's success is well documented, seven straight wins, longest active

1517
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 5: winning streak in the lightweight division because cobibnrmago Metov has retired. Yes,

1518
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 5: hard to sort of handicap Ferguson, I would think, without

1519
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 5: thinking a lot about that gay chee result and the

1520
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 5: violent nature of that fight. What do you make of

1521
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 5: the co headliner this weekend?

1522
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 11: I like the underdog here Olivera plus one forty five.

1523
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 11: I don't know how he's going to win you know,

1524
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 11: he does have those seven straight wins, seven straight finishes

1525
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 11: finishing Tony Ferguson's a different story though than.

1526
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 4: The guys he's five.

1527
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 11: But you know, you take a look at Ferguson and

1528
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,560
Speaker 11: there were some red flags going into that Gates You

1529
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 11: fight that I completely ignored, and a lot of other

1530
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 11: people probably ignored them too. First of all, a little

1531
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 11: bit of a lot of inactivity based on the frequency

1532
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 11: of fighting that he has had in his UFC run

1533
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 11: leading up to that. I think he's only fought three

1534
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 11: times now since twenty eighteen. Olivera seven fights during that span,

1535
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 11: and I thought he didn't look so great. Ferguson a

1536
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 11: few of the exchanges he had in the fights leading

1537
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 11: up to that one with that Pettis and Seroni. You know,

1538
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 11: those guys got off some pretty good shots. Of course,

1539
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 11: Ferguson won those fights inside the distance, but I think

1540
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 11: it's fair to say that both Pettis and Serone well

1541
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 11: passer prime at the time that Ferguson fought them. Now

1542
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 11: we take a look at Olivera and this guy, he

1543
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 11: is at the perfect intersection of experience and ability. Right,

1544
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 11: we talked about those seven straight wins, all by finish,

1545
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 11: thirty one years old, twenty fights in the UFC, Right, Like,

1546
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 11: this guy has been around forever, and you know, he

1547
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 11: made a lot of mistakes early on, right, been on

1548
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 11: the wrong end of some ugly finishes. But I think

1549
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 11: he's proven during the seven fight win streak that he's

1550
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 11: learned from some of those mistakes. He's not putting himself

1551
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 11: in a whole lot of danger, So I do like him.

1552
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 11: I might look for this one to go to decision

1553
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 11: as well, with it only being a three round fight,

1554
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 11: but I like the underdog and Tony Ferguson. You know,

1555
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 11: like I said, he's only fought three times since twenty eighteen.

1556
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 11: I think there was some contract disputes maybe that kept

1557
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 11: him on the shelf a little bit longer than he

1558
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 11: and a lot of the fans would have liked. And

1559
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 11: obviously a lot of bad luck, right Like, how many

1560
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 11: times were him and Habib matched up?

1561
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 4: Right?

1562
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:53,480
Speaker 5: And I get depressed when we go down that storyline.

1563
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 5: You know that that fight seem is not going to happen.

1564
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 11: So the timing for this guy, you know, he's just

1565
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 11: had an awful, awful run of timing, and I think

1566
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 11: it's Oliveria's time. You know, like I said, the perfect

1567
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 11: intersection of ability and experience, So I'll go with the

1568
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,879
Speaker 11: underdog there. I love the value plus one forty five.

1569
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 6: Well, and man, you got to love the way that

1570
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 6: you put that, Joe. I mean, I've been sitting here

1571
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 6: listening to MMA talk about this event for the last

1572
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 6: two hours and I still pick up something new from

1573
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 6: you on that. So much appreciated. We love having you

1574
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 6: on the program. But I need your help because we're

1575
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 6: doing against the spread challenge here against John and I've

1576
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 6: just been getting hose. I've been getting bad beats all

1577
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 6: over the place. I'm losing bets by half a point

1578
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 6: here and there every time, and I just would love

1579
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 6: a professional's opinion. You know, what's one thing that I

1580
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 6: really should be keen in on that you know, maybe

1581
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 6: I'm overlooking or that's leading to my poor record here.

1582
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 11: One thing that I'm doing right now focusing a lot

1583
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 11: more on the end result of the game. Like you

1584
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 11: can look at a lot of stats and all the

1585
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 11: stats can point to one side, but hey, they're not

1586
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 11: really covering the spread that much or not winning games

1587
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 11: by that much. So a lot of this comes down

1588
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 11: to how a team closes out, you know, how did

1589
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 11: their fourth quarters look as opposed to their first quarters?

1590
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 11: So you can look at stuff as simple as you know,

1591
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 11: point margin, you know, or are they winning these games big?

1592
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 11: You take a look at a team like the New

1593
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 11: York Giants, and people caught onto this they were an

1594
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 11: excellent underdog bet, or they have been an excellent underdog

1595
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 11: bet all season because they're generally not getting their ass

1596
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 11: kicked very much, right. I think they have six losses

1597
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 11: all inside of ten points now, and they've been a

1598
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 11: pretty big underdog and a lot of these games as

1599
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 11: they are versus the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday. Now, I'm

1600
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 11: not betting on Colt McCoy versus Russell Wilson, but I

1601
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 11: wouldn't be surprised if they lost this game by seven, eight,

1602
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 11: nine points and covered that ten and a half spread.

1603
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 11: So yeah, it sounds simple, but it's something I've been

1604
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 11: trying to focus on a lot more and it's working

1605
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 11: out all right for me.

1606
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 6: Hey, well, you know what they say, kiss, keep it simple, stupid.

1607
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 6: Sometimes you get to make the obvious decision and not over.

1608
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 6: But is there anything you got for us today? Can

1609
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 6: I can I beg you for an NFL play for Sunday.

1610
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, well I'll give you guys one for Monday. So

1611
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 11: my hot spot, yeah, absolutely. And I've been hot and

1612
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 11: cold on sides and totals all season, but one incredible

1613
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 11: hot spot for me has been these six point teasers

1614
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 11: fourteen and two and six point teasers this season. It's

1615
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 11: you know, I've had some runs like I'm doing pretty good,

1616
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,480
Speaker 11: like UFC main events this year, for example, but specific

1617
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 11: like that type six point teasers, just following a couple

1618
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 11: simple rules, you know, crossing key numbers, things of that nature.

1619
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 11: And I've been liking these same game teasers lately, right

1620
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 11: on these primetime games. And I think we've got a

1621
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 11: pretty good spot for one here with the Steelers versus

1622
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,839
Speaker 11: the football team, and so you can tease the football

1623
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 11: team up to plus thirteen and the under up to

1624
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 11: forty nine and a half. So I think it's going

1625
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 11: to be a low scoring game, and I think Pittsburgh wins,

1626
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 11: but I don't think they're gonna win by that much.

1627
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 11: So to support the under on this one, like I said,

1628
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 11: two great defenses third and fourth in yards per play allowed.

1629
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 11: Both are excellent at getting to the quarterback, racking up

1630
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 11: a ton of sacks in both top ten and third

1631
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 11: down defense and red zone defense, meaning you're probably going

1632
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 11: to see more field goal attempts as opposed to touchdowns. And

1633
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 11: then the case for the football team.

1634
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 5: Right.

1635
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 11: I say that kind of sarcastically just because of how

1636
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 11: stupid that is as.

1637
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 9: A football team called the football team.

1638
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 11: But you know, Alex Smith, he's bringing some real stability

1639
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 11: to this offense. They won the yards per play battle

1640
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 11: in three of his four starts. They haven't lost by

1641
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 11: more than three points in any of his starts so

1642
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 11: far this season. And you take a look at Pittsburgh

1643
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 11: and you're starting to hear whispers of it this week. Right,

1644
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 11: they're undefeated, but people are starting to point out with

1645
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 11: their flaws. They can't run the football. They're way too

1646
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 11: dependent on the pass. And if you look at how

1647
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 11: the football team matches up with them offensively, they're not

1648
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 11: connect with them and a lot of key offensive categories,

1649
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 11: and I think that would surprise a lot of people.

1650
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 11: They're playing very disciplined football. They're not making a lot

1651
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 11: of backbreaking, idiotic penalties that you see a lot of

1652
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 11: teams do. And injuries are also really starting to add

1653
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 11: up for the Steelers here, Bud due pre he's out now,

1654
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 11: so that linebacker corps been hit hard by injuries, but

1655
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,839
Speaker 11: they already lost Devin Bush, so you know, I wouldn't

1656
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 11: be surprised at the football team, you know, hands the

1657
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 11: Steelers their first l but I would, yeah, absolutely a

1658
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 11: little bit of sprinkle on that money line. But I'm

1659
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 11: much more comfortable get them all the way up to

1660
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 11: plus thirteen the under all the way up to forty

1661
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 11: nine and a half and hopefully we have a low

1662
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 11: scoring game where the football team either wins or doesn't

1663
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 11: lose by very much.

1664
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 5: I love it. And I will also say intangibly as

1665
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 5: somebody who watched the Patriots go sixteen and oh, I

1666
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 5: know they didn't finish the job in the Super Bowl,

1667
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 5: but it is just so hard down the stretch. And

1668
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 5: I do think that the Steelers soft schedule or otherwise

1669
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 5: eventually are going to meet their match all right. On Twitter,

1670
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 5: you can find them at jtfoz. You got to check

1671
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 5: out pay Perchaser Joe on Instagram and just see the

1672
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 5: energy bursting through the fucking screen. Joey, Love you buddy.

1673
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 5: Have a great football Sunday. And we'll talk to you.

1674
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 5: I guess we will talk to you next year in

1675
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,799
Speaker 5: advance of Connor McGregor and Dustin Poorier, if not sooner.

1676
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 11: Yeah, I can't wait. We'll have to have you on

1677
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 11: the odd Chart program there, John, to break down that

1678
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 11: big one with us. I'm sure it's going to be

1679
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 11: a massive card. But as always, guys, thank you so

1680
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 11: much for having me on. Good luck and good luck

1681
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 11: to all your listeners as well.

1682
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. My man. There he is Joe

1683
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 5: Osborne with us for the pick to click today. You

1684
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 5: can also check out the cappercup at oddshark dot com

1685
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 5: as I try somehow to represent the UFC with a

1686
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 5: bunch of handicappers that are just much better at this

1687
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 5: than I am. Although despite three straight losses, I'm still

1688
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 5: above five hundred here picking against my Cody Merrow. I'm

1689
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 5: seven and six, you're three nine and one. I guess, so,

1690
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 5: which pick of yours are the listeners most likely to

1691
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:10,799
Speaker 5: fade today?

1692
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 6: Well, that's exactly right, John, I mean I'm becoming the

1693
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 6: auto fade. I'm trying to give away money here. I

1694
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 6: think the bills are going to come into neutral site

1695
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 6: against the forty nine ers and come away with the

1696
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 6: win or pick them at most books. So I'm gonna

1697
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 6: ride with the Bills here.

1698
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 5: I do too. I am in the Circus Sports contest.

1699
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 5: I'm not doing all that well. We're above five hundred,

1700
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 5: but I love Buffalo. They are in my five this week.

1701
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 5: But my pick to click for you today, I'll make

1702
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 5: it quick. So I kind of like the Patriots against

1703
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 5: the Chargers because with respect to the LA Chargers, I

1704
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 5: do think this is the best coach in the NFL,

1705
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 5: b Bill Belichick versus the worst coach in the NFL,

1706
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 5: Anthony Lynn. And we know we got our guy wide

1707
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 5: receivers coach for the Chargers. Phil mcgagan, Anakin Floring podcast listener,

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01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 5: absolutely love the guy and I think it's a good

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 5: stat overall. But I just don't have any confidence in

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01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 5: Anthony Lynn. Game management, situational stuff absolutely terrible. But you know,

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Speaker 5: I don't bet on the Patriots out of principle. So

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Speaker 5: Tennessee Titans minus four home to Cleveland. I just think

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01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 5: the Browns are not as good as the record indicates. Sorry,

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01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 5: step Ay, and I think you're getting a good number here.

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Speaker 5: Titans were minus five and a half most of the week,

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01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 5: it's down to four. So the Tennessee Titans picked a

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Speaker 5: click for me for Week thirteen of the National Football League.

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Speaker 5: All right, thanks to our producer, the Maestro Cody Merrow,

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Speaker 5: our guest Ian Parker Ray Longo, Joe Osborne Kenfell actually

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Speaker 5: with a guest appearance today. We'll be right back with

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Speaker 5: you next Sunday night, in advance of another UFC offering

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Speaker 5: on December nineteenth, and a lot of stuff coming up

1723
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Speaker 5: at the end of the year, the Anak and Florian

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Speaker 5: Podcast Awards, the AFT puzz our annual awards show is

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01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,480
Speaker 5: coming up, so that'll either be final show of twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty or more likely first show of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 5: But we'll get the nominees out there, get you guys

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Speaker 5: involved as well, and you can certainly start that process

1729
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 5: firing us suggestions for maybe some of the fights are

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Speaker 5: we will have forgotten when it comes to the APPA nominations.

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Speaker 5: With that, thank you all for listening for watching. Kindly

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Speaker 5: subscribe on YouTube. We appreciate that. Don't forget. Remember the

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Speaker 5: show is live on Thursday nights on this very channel

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01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 5: with Balah Muhammad and my twin bro Jason anik No

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01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 5: audio version of that on iTunes, so you do have

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Speaker 5: to ingest the video, but it is live and I

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01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 5: promise it is worth your time. We will talk to

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Speaker 5: you next Sunday. Until then, have a great week, enjoy

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Speaker 5: the rest of it. Yo, fucking