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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri

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Speaker 1: with you now. Sabrina Scott is not your normal witch.

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Speaker 1: She's a PhD candidate in Science and Technology at York

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Speaker 1: University in Toronto, a master's degree in environmental studies, has

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Speaker 1: been reading tarot practicing witchcraft for eighteen plus years, an illustrator,

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Speaker 1: graphic novelist, academic and professional witch teaching workshops and reading

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Speaker 1: tarot as well. Sabrina, welcome to the program. Hi, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for having me. Looking forward to this. What

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Speaker 1: an interesting life you have. I do my best. How

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Speaker 1: did you begin a witch? Or to become interested in

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Speaker 1: witchcraft with your background in science and technology? Oh man,

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Speaker 1: it's quite a complicated, long, convoluted story, but then you're

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Speaker 1: on for two hours you get a lot of times.

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Speaker 1: Awesome one looking forward to it. But yeah, So I

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Speaker 1: grew up in something called modern American spiritualism. I'm not

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Speaker 1: too sure if you know too much about what that

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Speaker 1: is a little bit, so basically it's talking to dead people.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of the short version. So I went to

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Speaker 1: my first salance when I was eight years old, and

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Speaker 1: so I saw some stuff in that type of environment

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Speaker 1: that really changed my perception of reality from a really

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Speaker 1: really young age. Like I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: spend you know, their twenty thirties, forties, fifties kind of

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Speaker 1: trying to get in touch with their spirituality and see

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Speaker 1: what else is out there. But I was really really

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Speaker 1: lucky and that I got to have a lot of

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Speaker 1: those experiences when I was really young. A lot of people,

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Speaker 1: wrongly so think that witches and witchcraft are evil people

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Speaker 1: turning kids into gingerbread and stuff like that. That's not

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Speaker 1: the case, and I'm sure that's not with you either. No,

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Speaker 1: definitely not creating gingerbread from nothing sounds like a great skill.

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Speaker 1: What do you What are your colleagues in PIER say,

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Speaker 1: because I mean, you're working on a PhD, You've got

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Speaker 1: a degree in environmental studies, and then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden you're into tarot cards and astrology witchcraft. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do they know about that part of your life? Yeah? Actually,

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Speaker 1: I've been pretty straightforward about everything since I started my

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Speaker 1: masters and through my PhD, and so everyone just kind

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Speaker 1: of seems to know. This is a weird mix that

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Speaker 1: is everything that I am, And I'm really lucky that

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Speaker 1: a lot of my colleagues seem to be really supportive

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Speaker 1: and they totally get that witchcraft and magic and spirituality

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Speaker 1: is kind of a technology in and of itself. How

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Speaker 1: do you divide your time percentage wise between the witchcraft

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Speaker 1: and you know, the real work, you know, don't make

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Speaker 1: a living, you know what, Like a lot of my

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Speaker 1: income actually does come from reading cards. Really, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: believe it or not. Well, you know, we've got a

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Speaker 1: dear friend of ours. His name's Art rosing Gard. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know Art or not supremea,

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Speaker 1: but he's he's an expert in tarrot readings and terial

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Speaker 1: cards and that in books. That's his profession and he

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Speaker 1: keeps pretty busy doing that. That's fantastic. Yeah, and me too,

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Speaker 1: actually believe it or not, Like, I feel like there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people who are looking for that

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Speaker 1: exact thing that something like Taro or that kind of

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Speaker 1: spiritual consultation service can provide that more traditional forms of

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Speaker 1: let's say, just psychotherapy or something like that can't quite provide.

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Speaker 1: And so we're seeing this increase in an interest and

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Speaker 1: that's been working out pretty good for me. I have

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Speaker 1: to say, your book, Which Body, is about magic and witchcraft.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Did you do the illustrations? Yeah? I did.

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Speaker 1: I bet you did nice job. Thank you. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: writing for as long as I can remember. It's very

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Speaker 1: you printed it out right. Yeah, So everything is handwritten,

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Speaker 1: and that includes crossing out any spelling mistakes. So I

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Speaker 1: try to keep it pretty pretty real. And you live

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Speaker 1: in Toronto, I do. Yeah. Yeah, We've been in Toronto

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Speaker 1: a couple of times for some live shows. Gorgeous city. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely fantastic, a really really magical place too. Are

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Speaker 1: you part of a coven? I'm actually not, which I

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Speaker 1: realized might be surprising maybe to some listeners. But I

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Speaker 1: so I can't say that I always completely practice alone.

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Speaker 1: Do you do spells, Yeah, I do curses, curses. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I can count to the amount of

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't sound like somebody who would be

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Speaker 1: not over nothing like. I think one of the really

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Speaker 1: not afford you. So you know, when the court system

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Speaker 1: your family. I'm definitely not above defending myself, right, Will

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Speaker 1: you have to? Would you? Yeah? Exactly? Would you feel bad? Though? So, Brittany,

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Speaker 1: if you put a curse on somebody and somebody in

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Speaker 1: What kind of spells do you cast on people? Um? Oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I think it really varies. A lot of my spell

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Speaker 1: then you know, the more mundane stuff too, like, okay,

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Speaker 1: work connections can I make? You know, practical stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So to me, magic is, you know, it can be

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Speaker 1: kind of heavy and esoteric and very much about connecting

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Speaker 1: like attracting new clients and improving your dating life, whatever

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Speaker 1: kind of practical stuff you've got going on in your

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Speaker 1: life too. When somebody practices spells, is it a little

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Speaker 1: like a Christian would pray to an angel or a god.

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Speaker 1: That's a great question. I would say it's for me,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely quite similar. You've just got a little bit

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Speaker 1: in the awareness of our intention and then the petition

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Speaker 1: to other worldly spiritual collaborators to kind of help that

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Speaker 1: plants or crystals, or if it's you know, a Christian God.

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Speaker 1: Either way, you're asking for help from something somewhere. Well.

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Speaker 1: With Sabrita Scott, we're talking about astrology, witchcraft, the tarot

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Speaker 1: cards will take calls next hour with her. What do

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Speaker 1: you think Hollywood has done to people's perceptions of witches?

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Speaker 1: like a Hollywood witch at all. Good. Good, That's exactly

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Speaker 1: you know, big flowing cloaks and pointy hat. Do people

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Speaker 1: What do clients do when they come to you? What

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Speaker 1: do they want to know? Oh? Man, I really vary.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of my clientele just wants like it's

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Speaker 1: And if you can't do that stuff, then you really

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Speaker 1: And so that's really something that I try to teach

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Speaker 1: we when we take calls next hour? Can you do

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Speaker 1: tarot readings for callers? And if you do, how would

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Speaker 1: you want that to work? Oh? Man, yeah, we could.

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Speaker 1: We could do that, so you know, somebody would call,

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Speaker 1: it would have to be a really small amount of cards. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: if my readings usually are quite long winded, get them

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Speaker 1: ready you'll have a commercial birthday? Can do that out.

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Speaker 1: Since you've been doing witchcraft, you've also dealt with spirit

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Speaker 1: pay me too, right, I just I've got like other

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