1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is the brilliant actress 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Claire Holt, who was best known for her iconic role 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: Rebecca Michaelson in The Vampire Diaries and the two spinoff series, 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: The Originals and Legacies. Now, The Vampire Diaries is the 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: longest running vampire series to ever exist, so it's no 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: surprise that those spinoffs were created, especially because Claire and 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: her fellow actors who played her siblings in the show, 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: they became instant fan favorites. I binged this entire series 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, and let me tell you, when I finished, 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: I still wanted more. And I just thought Claire's performance 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: was nothing short of brilliant. She plays such a fun character. 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: So aside from being a badass vampire, Claire is continually 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: expanding her horizons with fashion, design, finance, and investing, and 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, she launched a lifestyle website called 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: The Corner by Claire Halt, focusing on authenticity in the fashion, 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: the beauty, the wellness, and the parenting spaces. She is 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: proud to dive into intimate and relatable topics for young 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 1: females and new moms, and she really aims to create 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: a safe and fun corner of the Internet for her 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: incredible fans to connect, feel heard, and to share their 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: personal experiences. Listen, the social media and digital landscape is 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: a crazy world, so I am all for somebody creating 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: that safe place where people can connect. So let's see 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: if today we can get Claire to say something that 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: she's never said before. Claire, my friend, it is so 27 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: good to see you. How are you today? I am 28 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: so good? 29 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: You know. 30 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: I have to tell you I was thinking about you 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: last night before I went to bed. But that sounded. 32 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: Really like people thinking about me. 33 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: That sounded really creepy. Okay, well, anyway, and I was 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: thinking before we were like going to dive in. I'm like, 35 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: you know what, I have to tell you something I've 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: thought about consistently over the last few months, and it's 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: from everything that I see you posting on social media, 38 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: because you were somebody to me who gives zero fucks. Well, 39 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: it's really weird for me to say that because I 40 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: work in the daytime world, and if you say that. 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: You're like, if you say that, you're in trouble. 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: You're canceled. So wow, that was very liberating. But you 43 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: give zero you give zero fs. You talk about the good, 44 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: the bad, the ugly. At what point of your life 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: and career were you like, you know what, I'm just 46 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: going to put it all out there. 47 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. I'm still a work in 48 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: progress because I am usually a people pleaser, or at 49 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: least I was for many, many years, and then I 50 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: started to realize that you just can't win no matter 51 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: what you do, so you might as well just stay 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: true to yourself. So I just try and be honest 53 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: and authentic, and if I think something, I share it. Obviously, 54 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: I'm not going around like saying crazy controversial stuff all 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: the time, but if someone trolls me, I'll have it, 56 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: laugh about it. If someone asked me my opinion, I'll 57 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: tell the truth. And I think it's it's a pretty 58 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: liberating way to be. 59 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: That's kind of your default now, right Like you? Wow, 60 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm inspired by you. Well, I hope 61 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: by the end of our conversation I pick up some 62 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: of that today You're. 63 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: Going to drop some f bombs on Instagram today. 64 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: I know, it's so weird. I'm so not used to. 65 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: Look what you're doing to me already? 66 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: I love it? 67 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: Well, I want to I want to start back in 68 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: Australia for a second. So you were from Australia, born 69 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: out there, you obviously began a career out there, and 70 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: then you had some great success and then you worked, worked, worked, 71 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: And we're going to fast forward to The Vampire Diaries. 72 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: You book a show that is arguably one of the 73 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: most popular shows at the time and still is today. 74 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: I see people walking around New York City with like 75 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: merch on all the time. 76 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: I saw a girl with a tattoo at the grocery 77 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: store today always and forever, which was there, which is 78 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: the like saying of the original family. So it's really wild. 79 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: It's so crazy. So where were you in your life personally, 80 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: like when you were auditioning for that before you got that, 81 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Where were you in your journey I guess of your 82 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: career and also as Claire Holt, I. 83 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: Was not booking a lot of work, that's for sure. 84 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: When I auditioned for The Vampire Diaries, it was a 85 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: three episode guest star, so there was no world where 86 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: I imagined my character would become what she did. You know, 87 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: you never read a script. You don't know, so you're 88 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: going in with these fake audition scenes and you don't 89 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: really have too much of an understanding about what the 90 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 2: character is and you just have to kind of swing 91 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: and hope that you hit it. And I remember thinking 92 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: at the time it was just coming another job that 93 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: I don't get. But I went in and by the 94 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: grace of God luck. I don't know what you want 95 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: to say, but I got the job. And when I 96 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: got there, I hadn't really seen too much of the show. 97 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: I was aware that it was very popular, but it 98 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: wasn't as if I'd been watching the entire show leading 99 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: up to it, and I was this like super fan. 100 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 2: So I kind of came in with fresh eyes, which 101 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: took a little bit of the pressure off, I think, 102 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: because I didn't feel I didn't feel like I Well, 103 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: of course, I wanted to do a good job and 104 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: be professional and all the things that you want to 105 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: do when you're building your career, but I didn't realize 106 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 2: what I was getting myself into, to be honest. So 107 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: I showed up on set and my first day was 108 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: with Paul Wesley, who played Stefan, And you know, I 109 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: immediately thought he was just a legend. He's so funny, 110 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 2: he's got an amazing sense of humor, and we had 111 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: a really great time, and Joseph was there as well, 112 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: and I think I just had to connect with the 113 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: people and bond with them, and that kind of showed 114 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: on screen. And then Rebecca Michaelson continued and I got 115 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: to have many, many years of like amazing times playing 116 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: that character. So yeah, it was not something that was 117 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: ever on the cart I don't think. I'm sure they 118 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: had some idea about what they wanted to happen for 119 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: the character, but it was it was never sort of 120 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: made clear at the original or to show, that's for sure. 121 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure when they saw you performing the role, 122 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: they were like, all right, we got to keep this 123 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: gal around. She's so in it. But you said that 124 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: you were used to hearing no right, because he said 125 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: you were auditioning a lot. So you said you weren't 126 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: quite sure you were going to get this rule. 127 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: No, I was certain. I wasn't because that was the 128 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: status quo for me, you know. So my first job 129 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: in Australia was H two, which was incredible because I 130 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: had no idea what I was doing. I was very 131 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: lucky to book that job, and I'm pretty sure I 132 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: booked it because I was a good swimmer, not because 133 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: I was a good actor. It was to play a mermaid. 134 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: And then when I came to America, it was just 135 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: like a constant stream of notes. I got closed on 136 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: some jobs, so I felt like there was something there 137 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: that maybe I had a chance at some point, be 138 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: it in a year ten years. I didn't know. I 139 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: definitely wouldn't have stayed ten years if I didn't book 140 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: a job. But I think it was one hundred and 141 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: forty two auditions that I did before I got my 142 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: first job in America. 143 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: So many that you actually know the number. 144 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: My manager reminded me, and it's so funny because I 145 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: was I was not going to go to an audition 146 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,119 Speaker 2: one day. I think it was because it was shooting 147 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: in a location that I just didn't like, or that 148 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: there was something going on. She was like, thank god, 149 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: she changed my life by saying this to me, Shad Clay, 150 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: you've done one hundred and forty two editions. You need 151 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: to go. And I was like, wow, that is humbly 152 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: and you are right, And so I showed up and 153 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: I did the work, and you know, thankfully it paid off. Eventually. 154 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: You not only did the work, but you did the 155 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: work so well that you and your siblings in the 156 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: show were offered to spin off the original and oh 157 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: my god, and that show was equally as popular and 158 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: fun as The Vampire Diary. So when you realized you 159 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: were booking that, did you feel like the wheat and 160 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: the pressure to bring yet because you knew how popular 161 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: the original show was. 162 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: You know, that was a really interesting situation because I 163 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: had been living in Atlanta, I think for two years 164 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: at the time, and I was tremendously lonely and I 165 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: wasn't sure if I wanted to stay there because I 166 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: didn't you know, of course, I had my work friends, 167 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: but I didn't have family. My boyfriend at the time 168 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: wasn't there. My friends that i'd made, all my Australian 169 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: friends at the time who were living in LA were 170 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: not there. And I just felt sad a lot. And so, 171 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: you know, I think back now and I'm like, God, 172 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: I wish i'd just leaned in and stayed present and 173 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: enjoyed it. But you know, you can say that with 174 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: maturity and age, and it's hard to sort of be 175 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: that way at the time when you were having all 176 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: of these overwhelming feelings, and so the opportunity came up, 177 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: and of course I knew that it was an amazing 178 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: opportunity and I would be so lucky to have it, 179 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: but I also didn't think that it was right for 180 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: my mental health or where I was at at the time, 181 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: and so for a while, I said, thank you so much, 182 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: but I don't think this is for me. I don't 183 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 2: think I'm going to be the best version of myself 184 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: if I stay here. And so they were just amazing 185 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: to me, and they worked with me, and they said, Okay, 186 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 2: what would it look like for this to work, What 187 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 2: would you need or how could we be helpful so 188 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: that you can feel like you sort of have still 189 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: have your ties to the people that you care about, 190 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: you still a part of the show. And so over 191 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: the course of a number of years after that, they 192 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: just continued to work with me, and they're amazing. So 193 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: I was a series regular for the first season, and 194 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: then after that they were just really flexible and they 195 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 2: let me come back and forth depending on when it 196 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: worked for the show and when it worked for the 197 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: other jobs I was doing. And that I think say 198 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: to me mentally them allowing me to be flexible. And 199 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 2: you know, normally you sign a very very long contract 200 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: for television, which a lot of people are lucky to. 201 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: You know, you're lucky to sign right you've got job 202 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: security and it's consistent income, and you're working and you're 203 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: doing what you want. But I had had a few 204 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: experiences earlier in my life on jobs, films, whatever, where 205 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: I had felt myself slipping and like losing myself. I 206 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 2: didn't think, you know, I had always dealt with anxiety, 207 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: and I just didn't want to get to the point 208 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: where I didn't like who I was. It's interesting because 209 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: I don't I don't ever want to seem like I 210 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: wasn't grateful for the opportunity, because I absolutely was. But 211 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: I also knew that it was important to take into 212 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: account how I was feeling at the time, and I 213 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: needed to make the best decision for me. 214 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: I think that's something applicable to so many people in 215 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: any industry, you know, CEOs, people in director level positions. 216 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you can seem like you're being handed the 217 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: world and your dreams are coming true and everything's falling 218 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: into place, but it might not always click and the 219 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: way you thought it would, right, Yeah. 220 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 2: And for me that was just loneliness right, Like I 221 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: was living in the city, is so far away from 222 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: anyone that I loved and cared about, aside from of 223 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 2: course my castmates and the crew and the people on 224 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: the show. And I would go home at night and 225 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: I just felt sad and I felt alone. And you know, 226 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: you don't see all that on social media. You don't 227 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: see all that when you see the press and the 228 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: glamorous side of the job. And of course there is 229 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: a glamorous side, but there's also the side where you're 230 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: gone for months and months and months and you have 231 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: to ask for time to go and visit your family 232 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: and you don't know if you're going to be allowed to. 233 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: So that was really hard for me. 234 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of articles have come out 235 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: since send people debate like were you written off? What 236 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: was the drama? And the truth is, oh, you had 237 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: a contract, you finished your obligation, and you chose to 238 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: leave for your own mental health. 239 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: Right I did. And what was amazing was they always 240 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: allowed me the opportunity to come back, and I subsequently 241 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: did another show right afterwards, but shot in La I 242 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: was so happy that I was in LA with the 243 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: people that I cared about, and I was closer to 244 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: Australia and I got to go home. And then they 245 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: were super flexible with me both shows, actually, and they 246 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: let me go back and forth, and you know, I 247 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: would come to Atlanta for three or four days or 248 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 2: in shoot an episode, and then I would go back. 249 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 2: And it was just an amazing experience for me because 250 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: I got to do what I loved, which was play 251 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: Rebecca Michaelson. But it didn't come with the weight of 252 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: feeling so alone. 253 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: Sounds like you have no regrets with how it all kind. 254 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: Of Oh, I'm so grateful for that time in my life. 255 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: And the only thing I say now is I wish 256 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: that I had been more present, and I wish I 257 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: hadn't been looking at what was missing. Maybe that would 258 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: have changed my mind. I don't think it would have, 259 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: but I absolutely know that it was the best decision 260 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: for me, and it was a really you know, I 261 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: had an amazing time when I was there, and then 262 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: I knew it was the right time for me to go. 263 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: Well, and you've brought up your cast quite a bit 264 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: in our conversation, which shows me how much you love them, 265 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: and you must have sold me. Yeah, you must have 266 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: so many fond memories when you think about them in 267 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: your time on these shows, what just makes you smile. 268 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: Everyone's so funny, And that's what you don't really realize 269 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: when you're watching a drama. They have such amazing senses 270 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 2: of humor. Paul Wesley, Candae Phoebe Tomkin is one of 271 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: the funniest people I've ever met. You may not know 272 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: that she'd got to do comedy. She makes me cackle. 273 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: They're are just so, you know, Daniel and Joseph none 274 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: stop making me laugh. And that's what I really remember 275 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: when I think about that, Like it was fun. It 276 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: really was fun. You know, maybe not shooting it too 277 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: in the morning, covered in blood and freezing cold. That 278 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: part wasn't necessarily fun, But like getting to be with 279 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: people who are like, really like minded and have the 280 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: same sense of humor as you do. It's amazing. 281 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Do you ever come across your own shows either Vampire 282 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: DIYers early originals and like flicking on and check out 283 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: your order? 284 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: God, no, no, no, no, I can't do that. I'm 285 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: so critical of myself. I'll be like, oh, why did 286 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: I do it that way. Why did I choose that? 287 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: I learned very quickly actually to never watch anything that 288 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: I do. 289 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think always seeing yourself as weird. 290 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: But some people are really into it because they want 291 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: to study their performance. And I chiell yourself and you're like, no, 292 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm good. I don't want to. 293 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: I give myself the ick. I'm like, oh, why would 294 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 2: any hold me. I'm never going to get it on 295 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: the job, which is just not productive, so I just 296 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: stay away from it. 297 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: That's really cool, and good on you for knowing pretty 298 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: early on in your life what you do and don't want. 299 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: And here you are in a thriving career and you 300 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: appreciated it and we're grateful for it and made amazing 301 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: memories and built a character that is so iconic that 302 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: people are always quoting and making means of. But you 303 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: also realize there's other things you want out of your life. 304 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: So what was the real moment in your life where 305 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: you decided to take a step back from acting to 306 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: kind of go after some other things personally and professionally. 307 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: I think when I met my husband Andrew, I realized 308 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: this is the person I want to have a family with. 309 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: And this is the most important person in my life, 310 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: and nothing matters as much as nurturing this relationship. I 311 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: knew he was going to be an amazing father right 312 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: away when I met him, and it was obviously always 313 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: something that I had wanted to be a mother, and 314 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: so when we decided to have children, and then when 315 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: my son was born, it just it's this immense feeling 316 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: of this is it. This is what matters to me now. 317 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: And that's not to say that all of those other 318 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: dreams that I had or you know, aspirations just went away, 319 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: because that's absolutely not true. It just became a matter of, okay, 320 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: what matters more at each individual moment. And in the 321 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: past sort of four years, four and a half years 322 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: since he's been born, and my daughter, and then now 323 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: I'm pregnant with my third I've had amazing opportunities come up, 324 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: but they still allow me to stay at home and 325 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: they allow me to be with my family. So my 326 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: writing for my website i'd love to do or I 327 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: just did a scriptive podcasts that took you know, three 328 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: days to film instead of three months, and so I've 329 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: had the opportunity to sort of expand and expoor new areas, 330 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: but still stay true to that one commitment that I've 331 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: made for the time being, which is to be present 332 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: for my family. And you know, acting involves a lot 333 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: of travel, it really does. And if your family can 334 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: come with you, and your kids can come with you, 335 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: that's amazing. Just with how my husband's work is, that's 336 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: not always an option for us, and so you know, 337 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: both of us make sacrifices in order to give our 338 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: children what we think is the best life for them. 339 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: What I love about you is you seem to have 340 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: many interests and your career has pivoted in all these 341 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: different directions recently. Like you said, you have your new website, 342 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: you are an investor in beauty brands. You still keep 343 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: your feet wet and acting if it makes sense for you, 344 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: timing wise, you're doing You're doing these scripted podcasts. You're 345 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: doing so much that you weren't someone at a time 346 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: that said it's acting or nothing, Like I am nothing 347 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: without this. And I think a lot of us in 348 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: the arts especially, but in many different areas of different 349 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: careers and industries, identify so much with our job. 350 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: There were definitely moments of that one hundred percent when 351 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: I had my son. Immediately after that, I was like, 352 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: I'm a loser, I'm nothing. I was an actor and 353 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: now I'm not, and I don't know how to be 354 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: a mum and that's it for me. And then, you know, 355 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: over the course of time with therapy and sort of 356 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: relearning who I was and not attaching my identity to 357 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: whatever job I had booked at the time, which is 358 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: what I did. It was very much my identity. My 359 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: ego was so wrapped up in like did I get this, 360 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: did I book this? You know how many people watch 361 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: this show? Or you know, was my social media growing? 362 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: And that's honestly, that's all bullshit, all of that it 363 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: doesn't matter, and no one cares, like it really doesn't matter. 364 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: And so I started to go, Okay, what does my 365 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: life look like if I'm not an actor? What does 366 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: my life look like if I try other things that 367 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: I've always loved but never thought I was qualified to do. 368 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: What does it look like if no one ever reads 369 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: what I write? But I still put it out there 370 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: because it's a creative outlet for me, and so it's 371 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: taken so much time, it really has I don't want 372 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: to say that, like I'm there and I'm totally evolved, 373 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: and I'm absolutely working on myself every day. Some days 374 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: I feel great, some days I feel like I'm not 375 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: doing enough, or that my career is suffering, or that 376 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: my family is suffering. But it's just a process, right, 377 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: You constantly work towards what you think is like the 378 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: best version of yourself, and hopefully at some point you 379 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: get there. I don't know if you ever do, but 380 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 2: I'm trying. 381 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you're putting in the work, which is all 382 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: you can do. And I think that I would argue 383 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: in fact, that you have to live a true life 384 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: and be a human being no matter what industry you're 385 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: in or pursuing, to bring your full self to it. Like, 386 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: if you're not a real person having real experiences, how 387 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: can you be delivering your best work. 388 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: There's no way you can. And also, you're just not 389 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: that great to be around if you're not your best self. 390 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: And that was what I started to find in the 391 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: early days in Atlanta. It's like, God, I'm not this grumpy. 392 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: Why am I grumpy? I shouldn't be like this. I 393 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: have a job that I love, I've moved to America 394 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: to chase a dream, and here I am like, why 395 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: aren't I happy? And I realized there are so many 396 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: paths alive, so many things that you have to feel fulfilled, 397 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: so many areas feel fulfilled in, and that was just 398 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: one little pocket. And I was never going to be 399 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: a whole person if I only focused on one of those. 400 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: Areas making decisions for you. And that is so badass. 401 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: You're not doing what you think you should be doing 402 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: and what people are telling you to do, or what 403 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: other people might interpret your actions. That you're like, if 404 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: all of that, this is what I want to do, 405 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: and I'm going to go lean in and do it. 406 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I had to really work on the notion 407 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 2: of like not caring what other people think of me, 408 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: because I always have that's my default. And my mum 409 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: said to me, over the course of many years, what 410 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: other people think of you as any of your business, 411 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. You don't even know them. What does 412 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: it matter? And you know, social media has made it 413 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 2: a little more difficult, right because you've got your keyboard 414 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: warriors who can say whatever the hell they want to 415 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: you and there are no consequences, and they don't realize 416 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: that there's a real person on the end of their 417 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: vitriol or whatever they're saying. So that's definitely added something 418 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: to it that makes it a little more tough. But 419 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the only thing that matters. 420 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: It's what my husband thinks, what my family thinks, what 421 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 2: my children think, and what I think and everything else 422 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: is just like noise. 423 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to tell you something that I 424 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: haven't said yet to anyone publicly, So when this comes out, 425 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: I guess it's out there. But it's so relevant to 426 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: this conversation. And I'm thirty seven, I'm doing entertainment reporting 427 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: and you know, red carpets and all of that. For 428 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: a couple of years now, kind of pivoted to the 429 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: daytime world. Six years ago. My initial dream what I 430 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: went to school for was actually acting. Ah, and I 431 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: had some pretty horrific experiences in the business early on 432 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: that traumatized me. I talked a little bit about them 433 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: on actually Candice King's podcast for anyone listening who wants 434 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 1: to hear about some of them, but there's a lot 435 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: I didn't talk about. There was just a lot of 436 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: shit that went down that never should have happened. 437 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 438 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: So it drove me away and my dream was taken 439 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: away from me, and I said, if this is what 440 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: it's all about, I am out. I don't want to 441 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: do it. Peace out And I pivoted. And I love 442 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: entertainment of movie CV's film music, so I cover it 443 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: now for a living and I love and I love it. 444 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: But it would be dishonest to say that I never 445 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: was curious about it throughout the years, and I never 446 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: wondered what if, what if? What if? What if? So 447 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: as of three months ago, I'm back in class and 448 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: it's not to go be some Hollywood actor. It's for 449 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: me because I wanted to freaking do it and it's 450 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: a creative out what and I love it. And I 451 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to lead anywhere. I don't 452 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 1: care if it leads anywhere, But I'm studying with one 453 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: of the best coaches in LA who took me on virtually, 454 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: and it is the time of my life. I've never 455 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: felt more freed in three months than I do. 456 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: Now. That's the best case scenario when it doesn't matter 457 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: the outcome, just what you're doing is what you love. 458 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 2: And I think that I've learned that as well recently. 459 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Just do what you enjoy, just create something, 460 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 2: just show up for yourself, just don't doubt. Honestly, that's 461 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: when the magic happened. So I'm really excited for you. 462 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: That's awesome, Thank you, thank you. And you just reminded 463 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: me of that story because I got to a point 464 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: where I said, I want to do it, screw it, 465 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to do it for me. So I love 466 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: that you have that mentality as well. 467 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: No, that's honestly, it's amazing. It's the way you have 468 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 2: to live your life. And it's when things open up 469 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: for you. That's when doors open when you're not so 470 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 2: attached to the outcome. And I remember in the very 471 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: early days an actor, I used to be obsessed with 472 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 2: the outcome. Did I, you know, like get into the end, 473 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: and I would be devastated for weeks and weeks if I, 474 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: you know, tested for a job and didn't get it, 475 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: or if I was really if I came second, it 476 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 2: would crush me. And then I learned, go in the room, 477 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: do the audition, leave and let it go. Doesn't match 478 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: you did your best. Honestly, it's probably got nothing to 479 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: do with you. There are probably a million other reasons 480 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 2: why someone else got it or why I got it. 481 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: It's definitely not all about the best actor getting the job. 482 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 2: And so that was really freeing and I think that 483 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: that's when I started working more, when I stopped being 484 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: so desperate for this outcome. I don't want to put 485 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 2: this in a negative way, but I think people feel desperation. 486 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 2: They feel like when you need something from them, as 487 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: opposed to when you're like, this is who I am, 488 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: this is what I have to offer. You can take 489 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: it or do it, but this is where I'm at. 490 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I am so there with you right now. 491 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: That is my mentality. I am like all about releasing 492 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: and letting the universe doits. Think putting in the work 493 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: you got to put in the world, but letting the 494 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: universe do it. 495 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 2: Think. 496 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: Another thing I keep hearing you bring up is your children. 497 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: You have my kids, right and you're pregnant. You have 498 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: a third all the way, Yeah, I know motherhood is 499 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: so important to you. What is something for you that 500 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: is one of the biggest surprises of joy and pleasure 501 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: being a mom? And what has been one of the 502 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: most challenging things. 503 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: Okay, well I'll start with the challenging. I completely underestimated 504 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: how difficult. It is. I had no idea what I 505 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: was getting into when my son was born. And I'll 506 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: tell this story knowing that maybe some people are going 507 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: to judge, but it's the truth, and I now tell 508 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: people who are having babies or have recently had babies. 509 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 2: My husband and I looked at each other two weeks 510 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: after I was born and I said, remember when you 511 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: told me this would be the best thing to ever 512 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: happen out to us, And he looked at me and goes, 513 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: I was wrong. Okay, Like we were shells of ourselves. 514 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: We were exhausted, We didn't know what we were doing. 515 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 2: We didn't know how to feed him, get him to sleep, 516 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 2: like all the things. It was just this earth shattering change. 517 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: And I was like, what do you mean All of 518 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: these people say it's like they're greatest need to ever 519 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: happen to you. This is horrible. I'm a terrible mother. 520 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: And then I learned, through the support of so many 521 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 2: wonderful people, men, women from every walk of life. Yes, 522 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: it's hard, it definitely gets easier. You don't have to 523 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: be perfect. They just need to be loved. That's it. Loved, 524 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 2: their formula, breast milk, food, whatever you give them obviously 525 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 2: not food, but the tiny babies, not even flaming hot cheetos, 526 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 2: but they just need to be loved, love, shelter food. 527 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 2: They're good. And so when you take that pressure off, 528 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: you start to like go okay and relaxing into this 529 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: learning we're learning together. And then for me, toddlers are 530 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 2: like the world's greatest drug. I'm so obsessed with toddlers. 531 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 2: I when they like put their little hands on your 532 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: face and say I love you, mummy, the world stops, 533 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: like it is the greatest thing of all time. And 534 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 2: so for me, like the hardest thing is the learning process, 535 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 2: the transition from zero to one child, and it was 536 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 2: absolutely the hardest and relearning who you are and then 537 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: the most beautiful thing. I mean, there are so many 538 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 2: beautiful things, but I'm telling you, sometimes I look at 539 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: my kids and I cannot describe the feeling in my heart. 540 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: It's like the most love that you've ever felt. Time's infinity. 541 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 2: I feel as if my chest is going to explode. 542 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: And that's when I go Okay. All of those sleepless nights, 543 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: all the fears, all the worry, all the times where 544 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: I'm like I need a break, I'm so tired. I 545 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: just want to sleep. You know, all of that is 546 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: worth it for sure. 547 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 1: You're about to have three kids kids. Mm hmm, Well 548 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: you're going up to six football team. 549 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: You know, I'm one of four. Four is like a 550 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 2: pipe dream that may not be a reality because I 551 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 2: am this pregnancy is definitely harder than my last two. 552 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: And we'll say, I'll just see, you know whatever, I'm 553 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 2: blessed with, whatever the universe blesses me with, I'm going 554 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: to be grateful for. I Just two to me didn't 555 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 2: feel like enough. It didn't feel quite chaotic enough. In 556 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: the early days, it did because I was so close 557 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: in age. But now I'm like, okay, I'm ready, let's 558 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: let's just add another one in make it a little 559 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: more crazy. 560 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: Well, if I were a parent or a parent to be, 561 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: I would totally follow you, because, as I was saying 562 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: when we first started this conversation, I love that you 563 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: put out the realities of being a parent as well 564 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: on social It's not all like, oh my god, life 565 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: is beautiful and here I am in my three piece 566 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: gown feeding my baby. No, You're like, today was a 567 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: bit day. 568 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: It's horrible, And I think that you know, people are 569 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: afraid to tell the truth sometimes because there is flowback 570 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: and people are mean to you if you say something 571 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: that they don't agree with, and so oftentimes there's the 572 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: pressure to just be like, I'm just going to put 573 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 2: the good stuff out and I'm just gonna be politically 574 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: correct and sweet, and I'm never gonna say anything's hard, 575 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: and then that's gonna be that, and I'm not gonna 576 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: have to deal with anyone else's opinions. And I just think, like, 577 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: I can't live like that. It's not my reality. There 578 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: is so much about it that I find hard. There 579 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: are so many things that I struggle with, and I'm 580 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: gonna be honest about that. And you can tell me 581 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: I'm a shitty mum if that's what your opinion is. 582 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: But maybe there's another mum out there who's feeling the 583 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: same way and doesn't have a community around her, and 584 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: maybe that will help. 585 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: So what age will you show your kids your role 586 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: on the Vampire Diary. 587 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 2: I want to show my daughter h show first, because 588 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: I feel like that's going to secure me in the 589 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: favorite parent position. She's such a daddy's girl now, and 590 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, you just wait, girl, wait till you're six, 591 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: and I put that Mermaid show on for you. But 592 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: the Vampire Diaries, I don't know who've got eighteen. It's 593 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 2: a lot of blood and sex in. 594 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: There, especially with your character, Miss Thing. You were all sexy, 595 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: all over the. 596 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: Place, all up in everyone's business, wasn't it. They never 597 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 2: need to see that. 598 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: What do you think it would take to get the 599 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: whole gang back together for a TV special or a 600 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: film or something like? Do you genuinely think every person 601 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: in that og cast would do something? Eventually? 602 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: I think eventually everyone would do something because after enough 603 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: time has passed the reason, you know, maybe after eight 604 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: years on a show, you're like, Okay, I need a break. 605 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: I need a break from this character. I need a 606 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: break from this world. You know, you spend twelve to 607 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 2: sixteen hours every day with the people and you just 608 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: want some time. But when time passes, you realize, like, God, 609 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: we had it so good, it was amazing, and you 610 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: miss them and you want to get back together with them. So, 611 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to speak for everyone else, 612 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: but for me, for sure, no question. Any chance I 613 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: get to go back and play Rebecca or go back 614 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: and talk about Rebecca and the amazing times I had. 615 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's something we all are waiting for. 616 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: So fingers crossed one day on that Claire. I mean, 617 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: we've talked about so much today that I feel like 618 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: probably many of those things you haven't said before. But 619 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: I end every episode of my show by asking my guests, 620 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: what is one thing that you have never said before? 621 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: Okay, so I feel I have gone pretty deep on 622 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: everything else, so I'm going to go a little lighter 623 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: on this one. Most of the time, when someone asked 624 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: me if I've seen a movie, I'm going to say yes, 625 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about it as if I've seen it. 626 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: I have not seen it. I'm not going to admit 627 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: to you that I have not seen it. But you know, 628 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: like Star Wars, yep, we can talk all day long 629 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: about Luke Skywalker. I haven't seen it. 630 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: But how do you fake it if you haven't seen it? 631 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: Oh, it's very easy. It comes from acting. You kind 632 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: of like pick little tidbits of what they say and 633 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, yeah, that line gets and he said 634 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: that wasn't it funny? And most of the time they 635 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 2: don't catch them. 636 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: Okay, wait, why not? 637 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 2: Just crazy? Right? Because I'm so honest in every other 638 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: area of my life, but as an actor, I feel 639 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: like I should have seen every that's ever been. 640 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: Made, so you'll feel judged. 641 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: I feel judged if I haven't seen the latest Oscar film. 642 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: So I just say yes, oh my god, that's hysterical. 643 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: I would be too stressed. I'd be like, oh my god, 644 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get caught in a lie. I don't know 645 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. 646 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: Definitely, I've been caught out before for sure. Right, so. 647 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: I can't talk to you about movies ever now, I know. 648 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: Probably not. I'm not going to make a very good 649 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: entertainment reporter. I haven't seen it. 650 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 1: All right, Well, well we'll bond over other stuff. 651 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: I really made myself look like a lie, didn't I 652 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: podcast about authenticity? No? 653 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: I love that. I think it's we all have weird quirks. 654 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm actually, what's something I do? I feel like there's 655 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: something similar to that. 656 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: Oh something, you must have something I do? 657 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm guilty of? 658 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: What? 659 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: This is kind of embarrassing. 660 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 2: Come on, I just told you. 661 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: Oh god, I'll sometimes say that I've seen a concert 662 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: that I never saw. 663 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 2: Well, you probably stood on TikTok. So it'spically insane. 664 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I haven't seen Beyonce, but it seems like 665 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: have you seen Beyonce? I don't know. In the moment, 666 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, yeah, you see that move? 667 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 2: Do I be dancing? I've seen a concert, but I've 668 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 2: watched seven thousand videos of it. 669 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I feel like I've seen it. 670 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: I think that's about having foma mentality. That's technicality. 671 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it comes down to fomo. I don't 672 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: want to feel looked down swift yet, no, when I 673 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: want to. I love her. 674 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: I'm going with baby and Riley and Karina. 675 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you better post a lot. I'm going 676 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: to be living vicariously through you. 677 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: We're going to go to the titles with concept through me. 678 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: There we go. Have I been to tell it? Yes? 679 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: I have. 680 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: I have been to tell Clara. I adore you know. 681 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: I could talk to you for hours. Likewise, thank you 682 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: for coming on the show. I wish you a beautiful pregnancy, 683 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: nice and smooth very much. 684 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: And I do all the good acting, God's good vibes, 685 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: all the things. 686 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: I can't believe I said. I'm like sweating that I 687 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: said that. I'm like, oh right, I don't know. I 688 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: haven't put it on because I don't want to be judged. 689 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: You did you trained for it? Yeah? 690 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: I know, amazing, I know, I know. 691 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: We'll say it's funn you know what I say to 692 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: my friends sometimes when they have that imposts syndrome, and 693 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: I wish I could say to myself, if not you, 694 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: then who? Yeah? Why can't it be you? It's gonna 695 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: be someone good for you. 696 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: True, you never know. Maybe you and I will be 697 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: in something together. 698 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: We'll say that'd be nice. 699 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: Right my level, Thank you for joining, Thank you. 700 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: Awesome to talk to you all right man, Bye. 701 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Diderio. 702 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Publisi at iHeartRadio 703 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: and by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've 704 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: Never Said This Before. It is part of the Elvis 705 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 1: Duran podcast network on iHeart Podcasts. 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