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Speaker 1: Mindy Lee disappeared the day after Thanksgiving in Woodland Park,

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Speaker 1: and Mindy called me at a quarter to six. She

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Speaker 1: was going. Mindy's friends called saying Mindy ran off without

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Speaker 1: shoes and a jacket. The red flag started coming. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Family and friends started searching. Immediately,

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Speaker 1: a police officer found her body here behind Wooden Park

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Speaker 1: High School, five days after Mindy disappeared. It's in the

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Speaker 1: exact same spot where friends and families say they served

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Speaker 1: several times. She was my only child, she was my world.

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Speaker 1: I want as so VICKI turned to a team of

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Speaker 1: private investigators from her homicide detective Bobby Brown, who was

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Speaker 1: not a vrowd in my mind, but there was a

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Speaker 1: serious problems case. What happened to Mindy Lee? How was

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Speaker 1: she killed? It remains a mystery. I Nancy Grace, this

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, with me.

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Speaker 1: A special guest to tell the story of cold case

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Speaker 1: Mindy Lee's murder in Colorado is our special guest, Bobby Brown.

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Speaker 1: No relation, as I'd like to say farm our homicide investigator,

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Speaker 1: detective and now cracker Jack p I. You may have

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Speaker 1: seen him on Dog the bounty hunter. He still gets

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Speaker 1: stopped on the street all the time for that. But

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Speaker 1: in my mind and from where I'm coming, you're more

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Speaker 1: famous to me for all the homicides you investigated and solved. Bobby,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Well, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me. It's a real honor to have you on

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Speaker 1: the MANA Springs mom's body was found, but autopsy couldn't

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Speaker 1: be performed for days because her body was comp lately

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Speaker 1: frozen after exposure to freezing temperatures in snow. She disappeared.

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Speaker 1: It was on a Friday night. She's just thirty three

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Speaker 1: years old. Friends say she was in their pickup and

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Speaker 1: just inexplicably jumped from the pickup near Woodland Park High School.

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Speaker 1: Now she's she less, She's got on a black shirt

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Speaker 1: and red pants. Something's not right. Let's go to Bobby Brown. Bobby,

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Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning. What happened. Well, it was

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Speaker 1: the night before Thanksgiving on November and it was strange

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Speaker 1: because Mendy Lee had made a phone call to her mother.

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Speaker 1: I was about six thirty pm and Mindy had placed

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Speaker 1: all she could hear Mendy say was mom, mom, mom,

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Speaker 1: like that she was whispering and that she was, you know,

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Speaker 1: sounded very, very distressed. Unfortunately, that was the last time

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Speaker 1: that her mom, Vicky White, that she hurt from Mindy Lee.

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Speaker 1: And then as it progressed, and I'll just kind of

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Speaker 1: fast forward and you can stop me. I know, Bobby,

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to fast forward because I'm just

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Speaker 1: antacting from a from a mother's point of view, hearing

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Speaker 1: And for the rest of your life, you wonder what

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Speaker 1: could I have done to help her, to save my

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Speaker 1: child exactly, and that haunts that haunts Vicky to this

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Speaker 1: very very day. They and and let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: Vicky and Mindy Lee were extremely close. She had two

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Speaker 1: to go into the FBI, and that's and so she's

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Speaker 1: doing all of the work because what this case has

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Speaker 1: done to her, and she has worked extremely close over

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Speaker 1: the last six plus years of coming to my office

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Speaker 1: to piece together what could have happened. Well that night

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Speaker 1: after after Vicky got the call mom, mom, just a whisper.

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Speaker 1: You know, she knew instantly wrong. That is really getting

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Speaker 1: to me to get that phone call mom mom. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay, go ahead, Bobby. Sorry. Well, it's amazing

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Speaker 1: because then they tried to people that she was in

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Speaker 1: Well after she didn't hear from Mindy for a few hours,

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Speaker 1: She ran out, ran out of the emergent Care. Well,

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Speaker 1: my investigation proved that because of the cameras and the

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Speaker 1: There was nobody that there was no there was absolutely

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Bobby Brown, it's Thanksgiving. You don't

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Speaker 1: The question is why why are they lying? So let's

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Speaker 1: So I'm about to square one. Why it's not are

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Speaker 1: tell Vicki her mom that they had went to a

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Speaker 1: isn't a chance on God's green earth that she would

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Speaker 1: he knows which direction she ran. Hold no, Bobby, she

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Speaker 1: You know, now she's ten eleven years old. Now at

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Speaker 1: any event, there's no way that Mindy ran away and

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Speaker 1: I understand Bobby, what you're saying that then four year

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Speaker 1: It was a very very poor investigation from the minute

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