WEBVTT - Five Things About the 2025 PGA Championship with Johnson Wagner

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 1>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I find my ball in a brid egg

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<v Speaker 1>Friday egg, the dreaded Friday Friday, Frida Frida egg Bride

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<v Speaker 1>egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the hump.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Today I am joined by Johnson Wagner to break down

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<v Speaker 2>this year's PGA Championship. I can't believe it's here already,

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>We are.

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<v Speaker 2>We are in the heart of major championship season. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>last week we talked about Oakmont. This week we have

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<v Speaker 2>the pg Championship at Quail Hollow. Xanderschoffle is the defending champion,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously has a great track record at Quail Hollow through

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<v Speaker 2>the years. And you know, we've We've got a major

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<v Speaker 2>championship chock full of storylines. I think the amazing thing

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<v Speaker 2>about this year's PGA is just the run up what's

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<v Speaker 2>been happening in pro golf, and it's hard not to

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<v Speaker 2>be excited about the top players and their form coming in. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Scotti Scheffler is coming off of a win at the

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<v Speaker 2>CJ Cup, a dominant win at a golf course that

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<v Speaker 2>makes it very hard to be dominant at You have

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<v Speaker 2>Rory McRoy fresh off his Master's win, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>j T getting in the winner circle and Bryson getting

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<v Speaker 2>in the winner circle on live in South Korea, so

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<v Speaker 2>tons of stories. You know, the big players are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the dominant story. I think that that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a great situation for the PGA Championship is to

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<v Speaker 2>have kind of that player led story. So we are

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<v Speaker 2>joined by Johnson Wagner, a local Charlotte resident. Johnson is

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<v Speaker 2>a big become a big time superstar personality for the

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Channel. He's on live from he is. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a great guy, great golf mind. You know, he is

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<v Speaker 2>into golf course architecture, obviously very astute with the professional

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<v Speaker 2>game from his years playing on the PGA Tour and

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<v Speaker 2>covering it now for Golf Channel. So thrilled that Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>could join. I've been really a big fan of his

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<v Speaker 2>his career post playing. So excited to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>PGA and do our five Things about the PGA Championship

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<v Speaker 2>with Johnson Wagner. Before we get to that, let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get to Johnson Wagner. All right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>time for the twenty twenty five PGA Championship, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>super excited about about the guests. It's it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. I feel like we talked about you coming

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<v Speaker 2>on the pod like three years ago, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>been you know, it's just been misconnection after miss connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson Wagner, I'm happy I remembered I asked you at

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters. I'm not gonna lie. I. I was in

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<v Speaker 2>this stupor from my long trip and I was like scrambling.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, who am I having on for the PGA,

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<v Speaker 2>And then PJ reminded me what about Johnson? You said

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson was coming on. I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I completely forgot. So Johnson, thank you for joining me.

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<v Speaker 2>You are you're traveling across the country for your your

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<v Speaker 2>Tiger Tiger historic shot thing. How's it going.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going good, Just getting really going out here at

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<v Speaker 1>Pebble Beach. Was fortunate to play a practice round. At

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<v Speaker 1>practice round, I played around at Cypher's Point upon A

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<v Speaker 1>and man, I just love being out here and excited

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the trip. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a good time. Hopefully Tiger Woods. Hopefully I

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<v Speaker 1>can make him proud of some of these recreations.

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<v Speaker 2>I would if I'm Tiger, I'm worried that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to outdo them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is not going to happen. And if it does,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be met with a wild celebration.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, honestly, you've You've carved out quite a role

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<v Speaker 2>in golf media. It's been so fun to watch like

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<v Speaker 2>your your popularity rise. I'm not sure that your ardent

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<v Speaker 2>fans would like if you outdo Tiger.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's possible. I will give away a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. I know. I don't know when this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to air, but I will be hitting the shot

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<v Speaker 1>out of the fairway bunker at Glenn Abbey on Friday

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<v Speaker 1>for Golf Central. And I can tell you one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I will not be hitting the six iron to where

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<v Speaker 1>he did. If I hit six iron and probably go

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the lake, it's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>three iron for me. I'd be happy if I found

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<v Speaker 1>dry land.

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<v Speaker 2>The Tiger shots are astautic. So I was at Carnousti

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<v Speaker 2>last week and I walked over and looked at the

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at the bunker that remember on ten when

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<v Speaker 2>he hit that shot out of that bunker. I went

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<v Speaker 2>in and I pulled up the video and watched the

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<v Speaker 2>video and then put a ball down where it was

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just looking at it, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not possible. This is not a humanly possible

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<v Speaker 2>to hit this shot.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nobody that could hit the shots that he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to hit, especially I mean in his prime, the

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<v Speaker 1>shot he hit at Hazeltine when he hit that three iron,

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<v Speaker 1>cut it out of the bunker. I mean, like most

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<v Speaker 1>people are just pitching that back to the fairway and

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<v Speaker 1>Tiger Woods is like, no, I can hit this up

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<v Speaker 1>there close. It's it's remarkable the stuff he gets he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I sometimes, you know, with some of the chips you've

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<v Speaker 2>hit over the year, over the last year, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that sometimes it gets lost that like you were a

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<v Speaker 2>bonafide tour player, one of the best players in the

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<v Speaker 2>world for a very long time. I feel like people

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<v Speaker 2>are discounting the fact that you are a bona fide

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<v Speaker 2>tour pro.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I mean it's tough, man. I get out there, Andy,

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<v Speaker 1>I get out there, and I wait for about an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like I'm going to the range. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm practicing. I don't hit any warm up chips

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. And my short game sucks. It always has,

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<v Speaker 1>and so now I've got to do it at the

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<v Speaker 1>highest pressure moment without having made contact with the ball

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<v Speaker 1>yet for the day. So I don't expect much out

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<v Speaker 1>of myself and that's why sometimes when I hit a

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<v Speaker 1>good one, I'm like, Oh, I surprise myself. But usually

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<v Speaker 1>they're Usually they're pretty bad, which people I've found enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>watching me. I wish people had enjoyed watching me skull, Duff,

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<v Speaker 1>shank chunk chips back when I played, because I may

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<v Speaker 1>have had some galleries because that was kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>I did all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've got news for people. It's not out of

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<v Speaker 2>the question that you will be playing on tour in

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<v Speaker 2>an opposite field event this year. You've been getting close.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been getting close. I'm trying, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you walk me through before you're gonna get to

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<v Speaker 2>the PGA. But when you see your name creeping off

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<v Speaker 2>the alternate list, what are you are? You are you

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<v Speaker 2>texting your wife being like, hey, can you get my

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<v Speaker 2>clubs ready? You might have to ship them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I entered. I entered the field of both Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Rico and Dominican Republic because I wanted to get my

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<v Speaker 1>old Caddy a credential for the year, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>had to at least be like, yeah, I'm signed up

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple events I plan on going to play,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got really close to Puerto Rico and my

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<v Speaker 1>heart started beating really fast on Monday when I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh damn, I'm an ape alternate. I know how this works.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting in and I'm gonna go play. Right. My

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<v Speaker 1>son never got to caddy for me on tour. He's

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen now, so I was gonna go play, but it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been I mean, I've got the high rights

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<v Speaker 1>and the low lefts off the tee. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that I could finish around on the PGA Tour right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, I think I think you're entering in with the

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<v Speaker 2>best possible mindset. Low expectations typically yield great surprising results, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Go win, Go win one of them and get into

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<v Speaker 1>the PGA Championship, and the players like go and then

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<v Speaker 1>and then what do I do? Then?

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<v Speaker 2>Then you're in a pickle with your job. You'd be

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<v Speaker 2>one of one of it. You know, you wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>the only part time player, part time analysts the Golf

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<v Speaker 2>Channel's got, so you know that would be that would

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<v Speaker 2>be the position you get yourself in. Let's get to

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<v Speaker 2>the PGA. This is a big week, this is your

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<v Speaker 2>home course. What what are you most excited about with?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I always think like there's a level of

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<v Speaker 2>pride when you're covering the game of golf when the

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<v Speaker 2>road show hits your hometown in particularly a major championship.

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<v Speaker 2>As a chicagoan very prideful golf city, this is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that I'm most sad about that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no major championship in sight for one of the

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<v Speaker 2>great golf cities. But the big, the big show is

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<v Speaker 2>coming to Charlotte. What are you most excited about?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you guys have the President's Cup in Medina next year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming now.

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<v Speaker 2>Irrationally excited about the Peak Cup. This is the most

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<v Speaker 2>excited I've been about the Peak Cup. The golf course

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be great for that, and excited about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Ogilvie leading the Internationals to their to victory.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's gonna have a ton of great insights since

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<v Speaker 1>he did the rent restoration of that golf course too,

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that's gonna be awesome. But what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>most excited about, man, you know, the PGA Championship we

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<v Speaker 1>had in twenty seventeen, back in August, it was wet,

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<v Speaker 1>it was humid, it was just awful weather. Quail Hollow

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<v Speaker 1>plays so much better when it's overseeded. The next big

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<v Speaker 1>event we had was the President's Cup in twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Again it was Bermuda, and it played really well. It

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<v Speaker 1>played really nicely that week because we got some cool

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<v Speaker 1>weather and it kind of thinned out and it was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of this jumpy Bermuda rough. But I've always felt

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<v Speaker 1>like the Wells Fargo Championship, now the Truest Championship, is

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<v Speaker 1>the best time of year to be in Charlotte. It's May.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like we can have some cool mornings and some

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<v Speaker 1>warm days. And I'm excited for the golf course because

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<v Speaker 1>we've been shut down as members for three weeks leading

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<v Speaker 1>in and I'm telling you, there's not a blade of

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<v Speaker 1>grass out of place. The fairways are as firm and

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<v Speaker 1>as fast as I've ever seen them. The rough, while

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<v Speaker 1>it's not long, it's super thick, and it's been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of moan and drug back towards the tee, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to play gnarly. I'm excited because I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be the best Quail Hollow has ever

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<v Speaker 1>presented itself for a major championship or for any big event,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to be awesome as a member and

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<v Speaker 1>as someone who's covering it to watch the best players

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<v Speaker 1>in the world try to attack it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's in a hard position just because of

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<v Speaker 2>it being a annual host on the PGA Tour. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this, like Pebble is not immune to this. Like

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<v Speaker 2>the criticism of Pebble with the US Opens is like

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<v Speaker 2>we see it every year, and I think, like, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna run into something similar with Riviera in the Olympics,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we see this course all the time. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's one of the challenging things about about hosting it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that being said, one of the beneficial things is

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<v Speaker 2>that a major championship. And I'm such a firm believer

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<v Speaker 2>in this, Like major championships going to major cities is

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<v Speaker 2>a great thing because you get great crowd support, you

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<v Speaker 2>get like the local aspect of it. There's a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of like rather than it going you know, somewhere far

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<v Speaker 2>away from a city or an hour from a city,

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<v Speaker 2>like say like an Aaron Hills, this is not meant

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<v Speaker 2>to be a drive by of Aaron Hills where everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>getting like taking like a long shuttle to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>It is awesome to be in cities. And and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Quail Hollow is the club in Charlotte, right Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>the one everybody kind of talks about. Obviously, Charlotte Country Club,

0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Carolina golf clubs are great places, but but Quail is

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<v Speaker 2>the spot, and it's neat to go to the top

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<v Speaker 2>spot in a big town. I think, like, I'm not like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not the biggest Kuail Hollow fan. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>well know this. I will say one thing I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>about Kail Hollow is I think it has a nice

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<v Speaker 2>cadence of give and take where you kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>start out, you have a nice start, then it gets

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<v Speaker 2>a little tougher, then you have a run of scorable

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<v Speaker 2>holes where you can really get while you're while the

0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.320
<v Speaker 2>getting's good, and then you got to hold on for

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<v Speaker 2>dear life on the finish. And I think that that cadence,

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not you love the golf architecture being presented,

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<v Speaker 2>the cadence of the round works really really well for

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<v Speaker 2>championship golf and for exciting tournament golf.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't agree more. And I mean fourteen fifteen, where

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<v Speaker 1>they're located fourteen. I would argue fourteen is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best drivable holes in championship golf because it actually

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<v Speaker 1>allows you to get the ball close to the green.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Tenant Riviera, but you can't you can't hit

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<v Speaker 1>that green with off tea. I mean maybe if it's

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<v Speaker 1>soft you can keep it on the front left. But

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen at Quail, if you execute the right shot, you

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<v Speaker 1>can give yourself a makeable eagle putt. And then fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>the par five, is tremendous. Yes, of course there are

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<v Speaker 1>some issues. Seventeen can be pretty difficult to hold the

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<v Speaker 1>green the par three, but yeah, I agree with you

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<v Speaker 1>on the cadence it. It does deliver a true championship test.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think to your point about having a regular

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<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour event, I think it was the no laying

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<v Speaker 1>up guys called it Quail Hollow fatigue, Like we don't

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<v Speaker 1>get an opportunity to miss Quail Hollow because we host

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<v Speaker 1>something every single year, and I think that's where people's

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<v Speaker 1>opinions come from it. But we deliver really exciting, good

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<v Speaker 1>tournaments that, by the way, benefit Roy McElroy most of

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we do this five things. I was going to have.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured course was going to be one of your

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<v Speaker 2>five things, So I figured I just tee you up

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<v Speaker 2>with it. My first thing's Rory McElroy. And you say,

0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.880
<v Speaker 2>this course benefits Rory McElroy. You ready for his finishes

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<v Speaker 2>through the years at Quail Hollow.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring it on.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty ten, first place, twenty eleven, he missed the cut,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, T two, twenty thirteen, T ten, twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>T eight, twenty fifteen, first, twenty sixteen, T four, PGA

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<v Speaker 2>Championship of twenty seventeen, T twenty two, twenty eighteen, T sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, T eight, twenty twenty obviously no tournament, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, first, twenty twenty two, fifth, twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>T forty seven, and then twenty twenty four a win.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Call that a honey hole. That's Quail Hollow. Is his

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<v Speaker 1>is his? Is his annuity right there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he is obviously the big storyline of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that, like really, like you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>this this is you know, one of the less interesting

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<v Speaker 2>five things because I think like the way that the

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<v Speaker 2>world of golf is kind of positioned right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a extraordinary run up. The prime storylines of the

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<v Speaker 2>of the world of golf center around the prime players

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<v Speaker 2>right now in the in the world, and and I think, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's really cool is we have Rory Mackleroy, Scottie Scheffler,

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<v Speaker 2>Bryson de Shambo in peak form. And I think John Rohm,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he will tell you he hasn't finished us

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<v Speaker 2>at the top ten in forever. He is, he isn't

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<v Speaker 2>good for But you know, I think there needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be a little asterix there. I think Rory he's got

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<v Speaker 2>the he's got the monkey off the back, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to one of you know, winning the Major at UH,

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<v Speaker 2>at the Masters, and he's going to one of the

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<v Speaker 2>the great golf courses set up for him. Why does

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<v Speaker 2>Quail Hollow set up so well for Rory McElroy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so, I mean, I know he plays a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a fade now off the team when he wants,

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<v Speaker 1>but Quail Hollow has always been a drawers paradise. It's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the reason I love Bryson to play well

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<v Speaker 1>at quil Hollow UH. And I think when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the changes we've made over the years to the

0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.960
<v Speaker 1>sixteenth hole, which used to be such an incredible part four.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's down towards the pond. There's a bunker out

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<v Speaker 1>there that was used to be three to ten to cover.

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<v Speaker 1>We built a new tee for Rory for the twenty

0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty four Wells Fargo. Now it's three twenty five to carry,

0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and he's the only person or one of the only

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<v Speaker 1>people in the field that can carry that bunker. And

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<v Speaker 1>you look at what we did leading into the PGA.

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<v Speaker 1>We only made one change, which is a small amount

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<v Speaker 1>for us, and we put a new t box on

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<v Speaker 1>nine and it's back. It's now five hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five yards and it only benefits one player. It's Rory.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like when Augusta National tried to tiger proof

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<v Speaker 1>their golf course, all they did was make it more

0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of an advantage for that player. And so when you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the changes we've made to Quaile Hollow, it

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<v Speaker 1>only benefits Rory and the green complexes. We redo our

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<v Speaker 1>greens maybe once every seven or eight years, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is now going to be two years in. They're still

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<v Speaker 1>going to be firm even if we have weather. So

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<v Speaker 1>Rory's ability to spin the ball the way he does,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean just thinking about the shot he hit fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday Augusta, curving it around the trees like the

0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.000
<v Speaker 1>quil Hollow rewards someone who hits it long and can

0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.000
<v Speaker 1>spin their ball coming into the greens, and that just

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<v Speaker 1>fits into a te.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about something the other day, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you hit on Rory's You know he hits a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a fade off the team now, but he

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<v Speaker 2>is he is a natural drawer of the golf ball

0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.719
<v Speaker 2>as he grew up drawing a golf ball. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was watching actually a Grant Horvet YouTube video with Bryson

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<v Speaker 2>when this, with this thought enter my mind, I would

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<v Speaker 2>say that Bryson and Rory right now are the best

0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.760
<v Speaker 2>hard golf course players in the world. You could probably

0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.080
<v Speaker 2>throw Scottie in there also, But you know, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I find interesting is like it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of become like fade or bust in pro golf, and

0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:58.000
<v Speaker 2>arguably the two hardest golf course players, Rory and Bryson

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<v Speaker 2>are both drawers of the golf ball.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so much easier to control the fade right

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<v Speaker 1>if you can. I'm a I'm a hooker of the

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<v Speaker 1>golf ball. I wouldn't consider myself a drawer anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my favorite lives is hookers eat Hamburger. Faders eat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly right. And I mean these guys, they you

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<v Speaker 1>can just you can hit it harder with less worry

0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.040
<v Speaker 1>about it going offline if you can hit that fade.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's why with the modern drivers and

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<v Speaker 1>the ball and the fact that it's hard to curve it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's why Rory's going to that fade. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Cepstraka, Lucas Glover or maybe two of the

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<v Speaker 1>only other guys that I can think of that pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much exclusively hit that right to left T ball. They're

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<v Speaker 1>they're just it's a dying breed out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just I just found it interesting there. I

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<v Speaker 2>think if you were once were a drawer, it's then

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<v Speaker 2>easier to hit both ways. And I think that might

0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.199
<v Speaker 2>be one of the things is like, if you start

0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:59.520
<v Speaker 2>out drawing the ball, it's it's relative. It's not that

0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.879
<v Speaker 2>hard to become a fader. As this is as someone

0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:08.119
<v Speaker 2>who was a drawer, okay speak from personal experience, but

0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.400
<v Speaker 2>then it opens up the ability to hit bull shots

0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.720
<v Speaker 2>because you have done it. It's in your id right,

0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.680
<v Speaker 2>And if you think about like Rory winning that that Masters,

0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.320
<v Speaker 2>it really came down to him being able to row hook,

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But at the same time, like the way he

0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.520
<v Speaker 1>was able to hit the t shot on eighteen, both

0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.040
<v Speaker 1>in the playoff and in regulation, like you can't hit

0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.480
<v Speaker 1>a Roe hook off that tee. But the yes, like

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<v Speaker 1>put Max Homa in that position on fifteen, and I

0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.200
<v Speaker 1>love Max, but he is pretty much an exclusive fader

0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.560
<v Speaker 1>of the golf ball. Put him in that spot on fifteen,

0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.080
<v Speaker 1>he probably lays it up right, I mean he there

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.800
<v Speaker 1>aren't many guys that can just shut that face down

0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and hit that high swooping drawl like Rory was able

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think with Rory? Do you do you

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<v Speaker 2>see this as a floodgates or a you know what,

0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.679
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna see similar, you know, Like I think, like

0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the thing that's unique with Rory is, you know, he's

0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:06.040
<v Speaker 2>been in so many positions, He's been in the mix

0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.760
<v Speaker 2>so often, he's been the most consistent major player, has

0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.680
<v Speaker 2>like been the most consistent player without a win. Now

0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.399
<v Speaker 2>he has gotten the win, do you see it as

0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.159
<v Speaker 2>the Majors are going to be easier for him, or

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<v Speaker 2>do you think they're just going to be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a similar situation to what we've seen in the last

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<v Speaker 2>three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my hope is is that they're going to be easier.

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<v Speaker 1>And the amount of work he did leading up to

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<v Speaker 1>the Masters this year, changing his golf ball, being able

0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.600
<v Speaker 1>to hit the three quarter shot, the amount of work

0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.960
<v Speaker 1>he put into his mind, and the way he's able

0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.800
<v Speaker 1>to handle things differently and not have the highs and

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.040
<v Speaker 1>the lows, at least emotionally. Obviously Sunday Augusta he had

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the highes and lows all over that golf course. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think I'm going to do a walk and

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<v Speaker 1>talk with him either Tuesday or Wednesday at the PGA,

0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and one of my questions is going to be about motivation, right,

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.919
<v Speaker 1>Like if he's motivated the way he was to go

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<v Speaker 1>win that Masters. Yes, I think it's a floodgate situation,

0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think anybody would fault him for maybe

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.840
<v Speaker 1>taking a step back a little bit because of what

0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>he poured in, like because of I mean the emotions

0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that poured out of him when he won the Masters.

0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody would be like, ah, you know what, Rory,

0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:18.960
<v Speaker 1>you can take some time off, but I don't think

0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:20.919
<v Speaker 1>that's in his DNA. I think he's going to be

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 1>motivated and he knows. I mean, look at the setup

0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.120
<v Speaker 1>this year. He got the Masters out of the way

0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.840
<v Speaker 1>quil Hollow Is, He's won four times there, like everybody's

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:31.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna think he's going to have a great chance to win,

0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>which he probably will. Oakmont's a great fit. He can

0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 1>just hit it all around that place. And then going

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.479
<v Speaker 1>to Northern Ireland like this is his major year. So

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 1>I expect him to be motivated. I expect him. I

0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.200
<v Speaker 1>think he's going to win more majors in this second

0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.479
<v Speaker 1>act Postmasters than he did before, right, I think, you know,

0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the four Majors was great and it took eleven years

0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.719
<v Speaker 1>to get that fifth one. I expect him to go

0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 1>on to win ten plus personally, and I think it's

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 1>been important to him to be the best European player

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.800
<v Speaker 1>of all time. So I think looking at Sevy, looking

0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 1>at looking at Nick Faldo, I think he's still motivated

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:09.919
<v Speaker 1>to go get those get those wins.

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I think that's I think that's right. I think like

0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.400
<v Speaker 2>he cares about his legacy and I think he's been

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 2>good now for almost twenty years. There aren't many like

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think. I don't think that. I remember

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.440
<v Speaker 2>this used to be the discourse with DJ is like, oh,

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:31.359
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't care, he doesn't work hard, and it's like

0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like it's like, buddy, you don't get

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 2>to number one in the world without working hard. That

0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't happen. And you don't, you know, in Rory's case,

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 2>you don't stay. He hasn't been out of the top

0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.680
<v Speaker 2>sixteen in the world rankings. I think it was one

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 2>week outside the top fifteen in the world rankings since

0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 2>something like twenty ten. You just you don't spend fifteen

0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:01.159
<v Speaker 2>years in the top fifteen if you aren't motivated and

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 2>you don't like you are not a maniacal about your craft,

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.159
<v Speaker 2>because like we see it now, I mean, the second

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 2>somebody takes their foot off the gas a little, it's like, wait,

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:14.439
<v Speaker 2>how did they become the thirtieth rank player in the world.

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, I thought, you know, And I think that's

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.359
<v Speaker 2>like the thing with with Rory. I don't know how

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 2>long he's going to keep playing. I don't necessarily think

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 2>that like we're going to see him like grinding like

0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 2>crazy deep into his forties, he said as much. You know,

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 2>sadly for PJ, he says he's not going to play

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>the Champions Tour. I think PJ wants to ask some

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:40.959
<v Speaker 2>hard questions one day of rory about that. But the uh,

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 2>the the thing I think he's he is looking at

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 2>the next real five years as this is you know,

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 2>prime hunting season, and I think he's motivated, as you said,

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 2>to be the best European tour, the best European player

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 2>of all time. But then also you start to think

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 2>about like if he can add two three majors where

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 2>he gets career legacy will eyes as well, Like you know,

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 2>he's going to add three or three PGA Tour wins

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.959
<v Speaker 2>a year to his resume pretty much one one, you know,

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 2>one would be a bad year for him. So you're

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 2>you start to see like forty PGA Tour wins, maybe

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:23.120
<v Speaker 2>fifty PGA Tour wins if things go really well, and

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, if he gets to six, seven, eight majors,

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.159
<v Speaker 2>it's like a pretty crazy career.

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a crazy career. And I think in this time

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.199
<v Speaker 1>of golf when they're playing for so much money that

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>they these guys have three or four like Justin Thomas,

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>for example, wins two majors, has a nice career, He's

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 1>won fifteen sixteen times now, like he doesn't need to

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 1>do a thing the rest of his life. And I

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.440
<v Speaker 1>think to your point about the Champions Tour, I think

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>they're in a real pickle because you're not going to

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.119
<v Speaker 1>see these guys like I'm forty five now, you should be.

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 2>You should be getting out there, you should be getting

0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 2>stars out there.

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I will, maybe I will, But the Champions Tower

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 1>is not going to survive on Johnson Wagner's and I

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 1>know JJ, Henry's going out there, Charlie Hoffman, Ryan Palmer

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 1>are about to turn fifty like that tour needs Rory

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 1>to go want to play. But what golf does to

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>your body and these guys the way they swing it now,

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I just don't I don't see it. I don't see

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 1>it either. But yet, Rory's gonna get to eight majors.

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm confident in that. I think he's going to get

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 1>to ten. Personally, I think double digits is the goal.

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I think he's going to get there. I think he's

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna win at least one more this year and then

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 1>who knows.

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oakmont is a primo primo setup for him. After

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:36.640
<v Speaker 2>I was just there this week for the first time

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 2>and I was kind of like, I mean being you know,

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>it's him and Bryson to me just fit so well

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 2>at Oakmont.

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.199
<v Speaker 1>The way they can hit out of the rough and

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 1>be able to control their ball is so next level.

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I play the seven US Open and Oakmont, I couldn't

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 1>move the ball out of the rough, and these guys

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 1>they can hit it so far down there that maybe

0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>they're coming in with an eight iron or seven iron

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 1>into a par four out of that rough and they

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>can hit it high and soft and put it in

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 1>good positions. It's just it's ridiculous. And Bryson at Quail Hollow,

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 1>by the way, the way this ruff is, man, it

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 1>is thick. We did a different overseed this year to

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>ensure like a heavy stand even if we had a

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>warm spring. It is the thickest rye overseeded ruff I've

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 1>ever seen a Quail Hollow. And with Bryson's strength, man,

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>he's going to be a problem around that place.

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.959
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about I assume he's one of your five things.

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.120
<v Speaker 1>He absolutely is, and I picked him on my five

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>clubs podcast with Gary Williams earlier in the week. I

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously I'm a huge Jordan Speed fan, huge Rory McRoy fan.

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I would love for one of them to win. But

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I just I see Bryson to Shambeau being there till

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>the very end. He's motivated, he's all he's all been

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>out of shape that Roy didn't talk to him all

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>day Sunday at the Masters, and he's got something to

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>prove and he's gonna I mean, I don't know that

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna win, but he's gonna be right there on Sunday.

0:28:56.000 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think, like, obviously, the thing that's been amazing

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 2>is like the evolution of Bryson since he went to Live.

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I think he's obviously become it's become extremely popular one,

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 2>but he's also become a much more well rounded player.

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 2>And we see this at the Masters, like this that

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>was a golf course that gave him fit. He obviously

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 2>won at Pinehurst number two, a golf course that you

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 2>did not expect, you know, at the lead end of

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the week at the US Open at Pinehurst last year

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, I don't know how how this golf

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 2>course really fits with Bryson. He almost won Valhalla, a

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.719
<v Speaker 2>golf course that fit his game quite well. Now we

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 2>go to a golf course that, you know, we just

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 2>talked about how good of a fit is for Rory,

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>the other guy I think in the field that can

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 2>make all those bunkers obsolete, the guy that you know

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 2>when you talk about Rory proofing a golf course, that

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 2>if you Rory proof a golf course attempt too, you're

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>also playing directly into the hands of Bryson to Shambeau

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the control out of the rough. I think,

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 2>like I said this after the Masters, what goes under

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>under the radar? Everybody talks about the power with Bryson.

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>The guy just knows how to get the ball in

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 2>the hole. He has a he has a penchant for

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 2>hitting the hitting shots and making putts when he absolutely

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 2>has to. It's all, it's like a It's just everybody

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 2>knows the guy at their club that like just seems

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 2>to get it done when he needs to get done.

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I think what doesn't get talked about enough with Bryson

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 2>is he's just like he's just a natural scorer of

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 2>the golf ball.

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>His short game at Augusta was mind blowing and the

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>way he goes about his business and the way he

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 1>hits those shots like he he was a little rigid

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>for me in the short game before Augusta, and he

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>had this little like whip in his wrist sort of

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>at the top where he's throwing the club head under.

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>He hit some of the most remarkable shots. I mean,

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it was seven when he was missed it

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>way left of the green and hit this beautiful pitch

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>to the front center pin. Like he didn't have his

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 1>best iron play, he had to get it done with

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the short game with the putter. The putt he made

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>on eighteen on Saturday from the left edge of the

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>grand it's a fifty footer in front of the crowd.

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Like he does, he is a flair for the moment.

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>And when you think about Quail Hollow for him specifically

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the first hole there, it's a par five for member play.

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>It's not my favorite opening hole. I don't know if

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 1>you remember Quail Hollow before the opening hole was an

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>absolute gem. Bryson takes this thing over the stand of

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 1>pine trees when he plays it and hits this thirty

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>yard drawback to the fairway on number two. He can

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>take it over the trees, like he can cut corners

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and do things that only a couple people in the

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>field can do, and most of them can't do it

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>with any sort of control. To have the speed he

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>has and to be able to hit it as straight

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>as he does, He's going to be a force. Not

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>only a quail, but man, I mean Oakmont. The only

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>venue I don't really like him at is the Open Championship.

0:31:56.680 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>I think the one thing is him flying those long irons,

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Like he just hits the ball so high with so

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:05.960
<v Speaker 1>much spin that he really struggled at Troon last year.

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I see the Open Championship sort of being his achilles

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 1>heel when it comes to majors.

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>I think for him and Scotti, I think we've seen

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>this with we saw it with Phil. They have to

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>learn to love links golf. I think you it's starting

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 2>to be really clear to me, Like the type of

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 2>golf that Scotty likes is like it's the right in

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 2>front of you kind of fair police golf, where like

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I hit a good shot, I'm in good shape. He talked.

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>He complained about Pinehurst, about the the native areas Pinehurst,

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>how it was just pure luck. He had the worst

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 2>driving week I think he's ever has had in the

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 2>last two years there and then he you know, the

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Open has been his weakest major Scottie, but like Bryson

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 2>in a similar vein he's so calculated. I just came

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>back from playing, you know, basically two weeks and and

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, you play there in a heavy wind, with

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 2>firm conditions, and you know you're six seventy yards away

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>with like you know, you're just guessing where to you

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>have to feel where you hit the shot right. And

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>I think that's where the last piece of Bryson is

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 2>really getting that being able to play the feel. I

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 2>think he's look what the work he's done with the

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Masters of course, where he's struggling with uneven lies, struggling

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>around the greens, and he's become so good there. Like

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's the last thing with Bryson in

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 2>the Major championships is these guys need in there. You know,

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>they're kind of creatures of routine, especially Scotty. They need

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 2>to go out and just play, like two weeks of

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Links golf and just you know, enjoy the joy. Don't

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 2>bring your rangefinder, just hit shots, you know, understand like

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 2>you know how the ball is going to bounce in

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>and how you can hit different shots around the greens

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>and fall in love with that. But with Bryson, you

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 2>know these convention like I wouldn't say conventional, but American

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 2>major championships. So he's played last year, he goes T

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:19.280
<v Speaker 2>six at the Masters, which was a real surprise, second

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 2>place at the at the PGA, he wins the US Open,

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 2>and then he misses the cut it at Troon. He

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 2>then finishes T five at this year's Masters. I think

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 2>he's rounding into as good of a major championship player

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 2>as there is. You know, obviously four top sixes in

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 2>a win in the last five majors, and I would

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 2>argue he's one two US Opens. I would argue that

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>the PGA setup philosophy is probably the very best setup

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:52.240
<v Speaker 2>for Bryson to shamba.

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I would completely agree with that. And I also love

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>your points about going over in Scotland and playing golf

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 1>getting rid of the lay. Yes. Absolutely, Bryson's so mechanical.

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>He's got the three quarter swing. He calls a nine

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 1>o'clock at ten o'clock, eleven o'clock backswing. That doesn't work

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>when you're playing in thirty mini hour wins, right, that

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:16.720
<v Speaker 1>doesn't it's not Linkskoff is not science in his field.

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>You have to be an artist and he's got that

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 1>in him. But the PGA set up beer spot on there.

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>It is perfect for him because you don't generally have

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the pitch out us open rough like he won with

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.839
<v Speaker 1>at Wingfoot, just manhandling that golf course, hitting as far

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 1>as he could. Yeah, you're making my Bryson pick at

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 1>quil holliseem even smarter right now? Andy?

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I you know, one sneaky thing. I was

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:48.319
<v Speaker 2>looking one like thing we forget. I'm you know, I

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 2>think of it in one and done with picks. I

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 2>think I'm going to take Rory this week for my

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 2>one and done. I think it's just like such a

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 2>great bit. Obviously a great fit. We don't we went

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 2>through as results. I'm saving for Okmont. He was in

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 2>contention through three rounds in twenty sixteen. It's something he

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>was in the top ten. He had an outside shot

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 2>at winning that tournament. He had a bad Sunday and

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 2>that he tumbled down, But like that was that was

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 2>when the golf course didn't necessarily fit his game as

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 2>well as it does now like he's so much like

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:22.839
<v Speaker 2>talk about an evolution of a player, and I think

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 2>that's like a fascinating thing with Bryson is like we

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 2>see guys try try and chase stuff and fail at

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:34.320
<v Speaker 2>golf all the time. Look at Victor Hoveland right where,

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and look at what's happened with Jordan Speed through the

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 2>years through injuries and but also kind of trying to

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 2>rework his game. He's you know, Bryson has evolved like

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 2>twice now as a player, and he's I'd be interested.

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>A couple of years ago, I asked him at the

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Open Championship if he was playing the best golf. It

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 2>was at the old course of his career. You know,

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 2>he had he had, you know, won a major. He

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 2>still said that his best golf was twenty eighteen when

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:06.360
<v Speaker 2>he won those I would I would bet if you

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.720
<v Speaker 2>asked him now, he would say he's the best golfer

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:09.280
<v Speaker 2>he's ever.

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Been, completely agree with that. He's way more well rounded

0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the short game, the putting. He has reinvented himself with

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 1>that putter, and as uncomfortable as it looks and as

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>weird as it is that he goes and paces off

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the distance and has that yardstick that he practices with

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 1>and he knows how far to take it back for

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>a I mean, it's weird, right, but it works for him.

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 1>It is who he is and he's absolutely the best

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 1>player and he is whether it's real or it's fake.

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Like the engagement he has with the fans, like he's

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 1>got more support than he ever has. And who would

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>have thought Sunday at Augusta that it was even a

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 1>question in the last group with Roy McElroy that yeah,

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Bryson's going to have his fair share of fans out there,

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and he proved that he did. And it's just it's

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>of all the guys that went to Live, he is

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the one that he's the only one that has really

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.879
<v Speaker 1>benefited from that decision because it's allowed him to kind

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of be himself a little bit more and to express

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 1>himself in different ways. And good on him, man, He's

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 1>been great to me. Every time I've asked him to

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:11.560
<v Speaker 1>do anything, he does it. I know that a lot

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>of players still think he's completely full of it, but like,

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. He's got to figure it out.

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 2>He Yeah, he he's become He's just become a very

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 2>good player. I think the the fan support is going

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>to be very behind him. I think the Masters is

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>a unique situation with it with the fans. I think

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>that Bryson's going to be the most popular player at

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>at Quail and also at Oakmont.

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna push back on that one. It's

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna be Rory at Quail. I mean, he is a

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 1>He's an honorary member. The city of Charlotte loves him. Like.

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 1>There's no way Bryson's gonna have more support than Rory

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 1>A quill.

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Come on, Andy, I think he would more supportive Pinehurst

0:38:56.320 --> 0:39:00.399
<v Speaker 2>Bryson did. I just I think that when you get

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 2>that big, big audience, like the open ticket, you know

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.919
<v Speaker 2>the Sunday of the Masters is not an open ticket, right,

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 2>when you get that open ticket atmosphere, I think Bryson

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 2>de Shambo has got just such a big not maybe

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 2>not more fans, but louder fans.

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Is he a lot for you on the Ryder Cup

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>this year?

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I think he is? He has to be right.

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine how much support he'd have out there?

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>And what about a Rory Bryson Sunday singles where like

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 1>the Cup comes down to that match. Can you imagine

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the support he'd have there.

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I uh, I fear for the for what will be

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 2>happening in the crowds. Yeah, absolutely, it's gonna be a busy,

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 2>busy week for security possibly.

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Very that that brings up my next thing, Brooks Kopka

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and John Rahm and and a little bit of the

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Ryder Cup. I think John Rahm for the most part

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:05.280
<v Speaker 2>is probably a lock for the Ryder Cup. Brooks Keepka,

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:09.760
<v Speaker 2>he was invited to the Ryder Cup dinner this week

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 2>at Truest And I think, like a big question for

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 2>me is these guys have to do stuff in majors

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.799
<v Speaker 2>because of their decision go to the live like that's

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 2>the only their only path towards relevance. I think that

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 2>John ram is very sensitive about his status in the

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 2>game of golf right now. And I think with Brooks

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.479
<v Speaker 2>if he is going to be on this Ryder Cup team,

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 2>we need him. He has to contend very deep in

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 2>one or more of the next three majors. And I

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 2>don't I don't necessarily think we've seen a lot from

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Brooks Kepka since the Oak Hill win. And it's a

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 2>big question mark for me is like where are we

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 2>at with Brooks Kopka and are we starting to see

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe a decline in his performance at major championships.

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:10.280
<v Speaker 1>It's like we're talking about with Rory, it's the motivation

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.439
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just not seeing it out of Brooks right now.

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:14.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's got so much skills and he's got

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the mind. Obviously, the guy's won five major championship. He loves,

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.800
<v Speaker 1>he loves getting in that hunt, and the fact that

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.800
<v Speaker 1>we're not seeing it, I feel like is a testament

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to his lack of preparation. And when you're playing on

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 1>that tour and you're not getting the reps, you're not

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 1>getting the competitive sort of juices going like you would

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 1>at signature events or bigger events on the PGA Tour.

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I just think that he's showing up and he doesn't.

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>He just doesn't. He just doesn't have what it takes man.

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's always said that he what's different about

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>major championships is that he actually prepares for him. Well,

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>he's clearly not preparing right now. That's my take on Brooks.

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:54.359
<v Speaker 2>I think like one of the things with Brooks too

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:56.919
<v Speaker 2>is I feel like if you read between the lines

0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.399
<v Speaker 2>when he talks about his kids, a kid, he's did

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 2>father and I and I think that that is just

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 2>another aspect of of you know, life especially I mean

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 2>I think that just like parenting's changed a lot from

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years ago to now, and you know it,

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I think that is just another aspect of preparation. The

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 2>ability to only care about yourself. I imagine you went

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 2>through this as a pro golfer, like it, it is

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:33.240
<v Speaker 2>a selfish endeavor you have to put Like the nature

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 2>of the sport is you have to put yourself first.

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 2>And I think with with Brooks and you know, I

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know about Rom, but like Rom also seems like

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 2>he's invested as a father. It makes playing extremely high

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 2>level golf a little harder, and when you get to

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 2>major championships, it is a challenging Like the margins just

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 2>gets so small. And that's the difference between a T

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 2>eighteen and a I've got a chance to win a major.

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:03.319
<v Speaker 1>On a Sunday. I mean my from personal experience, my

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:05.399
<v Speaker 1>son was born in April of two thousand and nine,

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 1>and twenty and nine and ten were the worst two

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:10.360
<v Speaker 1>years of my golf career. I mean, like I wanted

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 1>to felt guilty when you leave and your wife's at

0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 1>home with a baby, and when you're home, you just

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>want to help out and do everything you can to

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 1>make her life easier, which takes away from your preparation

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 1>going out and practicing and stuff. So I think that's

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a very valid point. But I mean

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Jack Nicholas did it. You just have to have you

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:32.280
<v Speaker 1>have to have a wife that is understanding and supportive,

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and I think I think Ram and Brooks both have that.

0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 1>But they're also they have a lot more downtime than

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.359
<v Speaker 1>they used to. I mean they're only playing, they're only

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 1>playing twenty weeks twenty two weeks a year, and they

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.280
<v Speaker 1>have more time at home to be with the family.

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, you know what, this is pretty nice.

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm not going to go to the golf

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 1>course today. How about we take the family out on

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the boat and go fishing today instead. I mean, those

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 1>are easy decisions to make. Of course, you're going to

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:55.799
<v Speaker 1>choose that.

0:43:56.360 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I you know, Brooks is it's just a I also,

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 2>like my other thought with Brooks is one of the

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 2>things with his game is like the overwhelming power that

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 2>he had, and I just don't think it's as overwhelming anymore.

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 2>He's still a force, but he is not. I would

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 2>not put him in the like who are the preeminent

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 2>power players of right now in golf. I don't think

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 2>he's in that top echelon like he used to be

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 2>in you know, twenty nineteen.

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>The amount of effort it takes, and that's what makes

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 1>what Rory's done throughout his whole career so impressive. I mean,

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the guy's an animal in the gym. He does like

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.879
<v Speaker 1>an hour workout that would rock me to my core

0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:46.799
<v Speaker 1>before he goes and plays every day.

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 2>It's every day creatures of habit, right. Him and Scottie

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 2>are to me are like the two that just like

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 2>they know what they do.

0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.879
<v Speaker 1>So I've been thinking about this question a lot lately,

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 1>and I've asked a few friends. Rory McElroy and Scotti

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Schefler are both playing a games and they're together in

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the final round. Start Todd, who do you take at

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>their best? Do you take Rory or do you take

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Scotty at their absolute best? Who is the better player?

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I think it depends where where where they're playing. If

0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 2>it's Quail Hollow, I'm taking Rory because he can just

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 2>bypass so many of the hazards I do. I was

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:31.960
<v Speaker 2>thinking about this a couple of weeks ago. Is to

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:36.760
<v Speaker 2>me when they've been you know, paired on the weekend places.

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know this is just anecdotal memory stuff,

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 2>but like to me, it seems like Rory usually gets

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 2>the best. I think it's hard to play from forty

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:51.839
<v Speaker 2>yards behind someone, even for Scotty Scheffler. It's when they

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 2>play together. It is kind of mind boggling. How much

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 2>for their Rory hits it.

0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll throw this one at just Sunday of the

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Genesis is shy Year. Obviously at Torrey Pines, not Riviera.

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 1>They played, they were on the periphery of contending Scotti

0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Schffler went out and whooped him. Scotti Scheffler was making

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.320
<v Speaker 1>sort of an Olympic size comeback like you did in Paris,

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and sort of faltered there on sixteen and made bogie,

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 1>but Rory had no chance. AGE think that's the only

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 1>time I really remember them playing together on a Sunday

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 1>anywhere remotely in the hunt. Probably to your point that

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>they don't necessarily fit the same golf courses, so you

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:33.720
<v Speaker 1>don't see them pair together a lot late on a Sunday.

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking back to LACC twenty twenty three when

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 2>they played together on that Sunday and it was, you know,

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:46.440
<v Speaker 2>they get it done so different. Scotty was one of

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.640
<v Speaker 2>my things. Is on your list?

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:49.839
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Like to me, the thing that is impressive with Scotty

0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:56.800
<v Speaker 2>is just the he kind of tailor's his style for

0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:00.919
<v Speaker 2>the for the golf course. You can see you see

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:04.240
<v Speaker 2>him some weeks throttle back, take speed off the driver.

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:08.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, he has a lot of different he I

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 2>think he might be the premiere tactician of a tacticianer

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:17.359
<v Speaker 2>of a golf course, right Like he looks. I think

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.759
<v Speaker 2>he since thee since the sizes golf courses at an

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:27.000
<v Speaker 2>extraordinarily high level, understands like deeply where he needs to

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>get the ball to succeed. And I think, like, what's

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.760
<v Speaker 2>He's kind of a chameleon with how he plays where.

0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:39.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, Rory commented this week about Golden Age golf

0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 2>courses how he's just learned that he just hits driver,

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:45.280
<v Speaker 2>figures it out from there, right, And I like JT

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 2>corroborated the point. He's like, if I was Rory, I

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:52.720
<v Speaker 2>do that everywhere. I think Scotty, you see him play,

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.799
<v Speaker 2>particularly off the tee. He's got like change, he's got

0:47:56.840 --> 0:48:00.279
<v Speaker 2>he's got different stuff for different places in different holes, right,

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:07.759
<v Speaker 2>And I think Scotty is he's obviously Craig Ranch was

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:13.320
<v Speaker 2>like that was one of the most impressive performances because

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 2>of the golf course's inability to like create tension with

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 2>the best players in the world to just run away

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:25.600
<v Speaker 2>is actually like that was like a fifteen shot win

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:26.840
<v Speaker 2>at the Memorial.

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:32.279
<v Speaker 1>His performance at the Byron Nelson was unbelievable. And to

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:35.200
<v Speaker 1>your point about having another gear with the driver. The

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:37.800
<v Speaker 1>t shots he hit on Saturday and Sunday on fourteen

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:40.359
<v Speaker 1>the driverable hole, there was a different Scott. I mean

0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 1>on Sunday he's got a nine shot lead starts at

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 1>left of the left hole location and just pounds it

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:48.080
<v Speaker 1>up there. Like I didn't think he had that cover

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:49.600
<v Speaker 1>when it when it came off the club, I'm like,

0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:51.840
<v Speaker 1>oh man, he just rented it. This may get interesting,

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 1>but he does. He has that, he has that power.

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>One of my topics was about course knowledge a quail hollow,

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 1>and I think this is a perfect conversation to have

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>about Scotty because he's never played the Wells Fargo Championship,

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:07.040
<v Speaker 1>their truest championship. He's only played the President's Cup, and

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I think when I saw him Monday at Pinehurst he

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:15.400
<v Speaker 1>had never been to Pinehurst. Number two obviously was just

0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 1>completely mentally physically drained from that win of Memorial because

0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that was a major championship setup at Memorial that day

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 1>when he won, and what issue won over par to

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>get that victory like that was ridiculously trying test. So

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm a little bit concerned about him at Quail Hollow,

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 1>just because he does have the week off, so he'll

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>be able to come in and prepare. And I think

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Ted Scott has a lot to do with Scotty's preparation

0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 1>because Ted's been around these places with Bubba so many

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 1>different times and other players too, and I know Bubba

0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:47.600
<v Speaker 1>love Quail and so Ted knows that place really well.

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:51.240
<v Speaker 1>But you learn certain things about a golf course based

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 1>on competitive rounds, and I think Quail Hollow different whole

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>locations one day, obviously, I think any great golf course

0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:01.120
<v Speaker 1>is this way. But one day missus front left to

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:03.439
<v Speaker 1>a back right hole. The next day the Penn's front left,

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and you know you can't miss it, and sometimes it

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:07.760
<v Speaker 1>takes those reps of actually hitting it in that spot

0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 1>before you realize how bad it possibly is. But that

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:12.320
<v Speaker 1>is what makes him so great, and that's what I

0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:15.879
<v Speaker 1>think the team of Ted Scott and Scotti Scheffler are

0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 1>so great because they do they tactician themselves around. You

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 1>rarely see Scotty in a spot where he's got no

0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 1>chance to get it up and down. When he misses it,

0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:28.000
<v Speaker 1>it's usually in the proper spot, and that is one

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 1>of the greatest qualities you can have as a championship

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:30.840
<v Speaker 1>level golfer.

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:38.319
<v Speaker 2>We've seen Scotty obviously, he's won two Masters. He does

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:40.440
<v Speaker 2>not have, you know, I think one of the things

0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:44.920
<v Speaker 2>with when you he's had an incredible couple of years here,

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:50.399
<v Speaker 2>he's been bona fide best player in the world. And

0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 2>when you look at like weeks at career, number one

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 2>career all time, he's getting very high up there. I

0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 2>think he might be fourth in all time weeks at

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 2>number one in the world, but he has no majors

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:11.440
<v Speaker 2>outside of Augusta, Georgia, and that starts to become a

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:14.840
<v Speaker 2>bigger But he's still young, he's still early in his career.

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.880
<v Speaker 2>But I think this is One of my themes with

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:20.319
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of players in the field is that

0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 2>butt and that and we saw this with Rory. It

0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:29.200
<v Speaker 2>gets harder the longer it doesn't happen. And for Scotty,

0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at it and it feels like to really

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>cement his like all time, all time status, like there

0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 2>needs to be major championships outside of Augusta, Georgia.

0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm completely with you, and I'm down to start this narrative.

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 1>What's what's wrong with Scotty? He's one dimensional when it

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:51.760
<v Speaker 1>comes to majors. He can only win at Augusta National.

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:55.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not there, I've not He's contended a lot of places,

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:58.320
<v Speaker 2>He's had chances to would a lot of other places.

0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I think I think we have to weigh until he

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:03.400
<v Speaker 1>wins his third Green jacket before we can really start

0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:06.560
<v Speaker 1>that narrative. Because he's I mean, he's built for a

0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:08.480
<v Speaker 1>US Open in my mind, the way he drives the

0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:10.840
<v Speaker 1>golf ball, the way he thinks about the golf course.

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I think a US Open is coming really soon, in

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.160
<v Speaker 1>the next couple of years at least. I think he's

0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:17.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna he's gonna pick one of those off. And I

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:20.440
<v Speaker 1>would say the same thing about the PGA Championship, I do.

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I think Scotty, he's the way the way he goes

0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:27.840
<v Speaker 1>about his approach mentally, was there ever a doubt that

0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 1>he was going to win the Byron Nelson after that

0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 1>first round? He's such a great front runner, he's got

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:35.320
<v Speaker 1>such a great mind, like he doesn't he doesn't beat himself,

0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:39.000
<v Speaker 1>which I mean, look, Rory, that has been the knock Pinehurst.

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Rory kind of lost that US so not kind of

0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:43.840
<v Speaker 1>he did lose that US Open once he birdied thirteen.

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:46.080
<v Speaker 1>He lost his swing and started missing the left on

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 1>all the t shots. And Scotty, though, do you have

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.279
<v Speaker 1>more confidence in somebody if there's nine holes to go

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and he's got a two shot lead, Is there anybody

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in the game of golf you're more comfortable winning that

0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:59.400
<v Speaker 1>tournament than him? Like he's not going to beat himself.

0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Floor of a pro golfer. I think, like there are

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.400
<v Speaker 2>players that maybe have had I don't even know if

0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:11.279
<v Speaker 2>there are players that have had higher peak peaks, but

0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:14.239
<v Speaker 2>there's without a doubt since Tiger Woods, no player that's

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:19.120
<v Speaker 2>had a higher floor. Like you know what's coming every

0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:20.360
<v Speaker 2>week from Skyty Scheffler.

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:23.399
<v Speaker 1>I think Xander was daring close last year. I think

0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Xander's floor is pretty high, but I not like Scotty's.

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:29.360
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't finish outside the top ten, and if he does,

0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:32.319
<v Speaker 1>he's certainly not finishing outside the top twenty. When he

0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:34.360
<v Speaker 1>had won, finish last year outside the top twenty, and

0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:37.040
<v Speaker 1>that was at Pinehurst, which he didn't have his best

0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff still makes the cut. I mean it's it's remarkable

0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and he does it in such a way that people

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 1>are like, oh, Scotty's boring. He's not boring. Scotty's hilarious

0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:50.000
<v Speaker 1>watching him cut it up Thursday Friday with see Lukim

0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:52.400
<v Speaker 1>and Jordan Speed when they're waiting all day on this

0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:55.560
<v Speaker 1>golf course at TBC Craig Ranch, Like, the guy is awesome,

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.600
<v Speaker 1>he just doesn't. I think. I think it was starting

0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 1>at Valhalla last year when he got arrested and he

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:04.080
<v Speaker 1>was talking about the stretching in the prison cell, and

0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 1>that was a first. Like, I think he's starting to

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:09.160
<v Speaker 1>just show us little snippets of his personality because he

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:11.799
<v Speaker 1>is a man. He is a fun dude. I saw

0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:13.880
<v Speaker 1>him at the Hero World Challenge. I was invited to

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.480
<v Speaker 1>play the pro am and had this dinner and Scotty

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:18.000
<v Speaker 1>comes up to me and he's like, tell me a joke,

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Johnson in this like dry way. He's like, he's just

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 1>he's a guy you want to go play golf and

0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:25.399
<v Speaker 1>drink a couple of beers with after the round. That's

0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 1>who he is, and he does it in the most

0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 1>unassuming way. I just I love him. I think he's

0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:33.840
<v Speaker 1>a role model for the future generation of golfers you

0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:35.120
<v Speaker 1>want to be like Scotti chef.

0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 2>People call him a robot, and you know, it's like,

0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:41.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what a robot wouldn't have done is

0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.200
<v Speaker 2>after he won the Masters, stopped in at the local

0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:45.960
<v Speaker 2>dive bar on the way.

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, all right.

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:51.880
<v Speaker 2>He's played twenty one Majors. How many top fives do

0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:52.560
<v Speaker 2>you think he has?

0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Twelve?

0:54:56.000 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 2>No, seven, twelve seven was Z zero at the Open,

0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 2>so four of which at the Open. So if you

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:08.239
<v Speaker 2>take out the Open, he's got he's got seven top

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>fives and seventeen starts, so get almost fifty percent, which

0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:15.920
<v Speaker 2>is insane.

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.879
<v Speaker 1>It's insane. But it's the same way. It's the same

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 1>way he is on the PGA tour, I mean, and

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:24.440
<v Speaker 1>that's like he doesn't I don't think he puts majors

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 1>on this super high pedestal. I think he puts I

0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 1>think he puts all golf turnings he plays in on

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the same level. And that's what makes him so consistent.

0:55:32.400 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I think able to win, to be able to win

0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:38.439
<v Speaker 1>the Masters and the draining, the amount of mental drain

0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 1>that is, and to go win the RBC Heritage the

0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 1>very next week like he did last year like that,

0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:45.279
<v Speaker 1>that to me is one of the greatest things ever.

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Because you win a major, man, you want to take

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:50.560
<v Speaker 1>some time, you need to decompress, you need to celebrate,

0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:52.680
<v Speaker 1>let it settle in. But to go out and win

0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the very next week, man, that is that's that's tough

0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:56.359
<v Speaker 1>to do.

0:55:57.440 --> 0:56:02.359
<v Speaker 2>He I would I would handicap him third here, and

0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:06.320
<v Speaker 2>that's just because he cannot bypass the hazards the way

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:09.319
<v Speaker 2>that Bryceon and Rory can. Would you agree with.

0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:11.880
<v Speaker 1>That maybe even fourth? I mean you look at the

0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:14.560
<v Speaker 1>way Xander Schoffle has played Quail Hollo over the years.

0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:17.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean he was I was standing in the ninth farewell.

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:20.040
<v Speaker 1>It's the ninth hole, but for the President's Cup it

0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:22.640
<v Speaker 1>was the eighteenth hole. Because we rerouted the golf course

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.719
<v Speaker 1>and I was standing in the fairway when he hit

0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:27.360
<v Speaker 1>this little wedge end there and made the putt to

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:31.399
<v Speaker 1>clinch the President's Cup. He battled with Wyndham two years

0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:33.319
<v Speaker 1>ago there, he battled with Rory last year. I think

0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Xander Schaffle Sneaky is just ahead of Scotty's.

0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:40.799
<v Speaker 2>It's just, you know, form certain places you just go

0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:43.320
<v Speaker 2>and it feels like you can't shoot a bad score.

0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:47.720
<v Speaker 2>And it seems like for Xander and Rory that Quail

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Hollow is just that place where it's just you go

0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:53.239
<v Speaker 2>there and everything seems to work. Even if you're not.

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Everything's not working perfectly for.

0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:58.440
<v Speaker 1>You, right. But I think it'll be a testament to

0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Scotty's game when he's in contention on the weekend at

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Quail Hollow, because it's a tough it's a tough time

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:09.320
<v Speaker 1>in the schedule for guys from Texas that have loyalties

0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to both the Byron Nelson and Colonial because they've got

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.439
<v Speaker 1>to take a week off somewhere. Jordan'speth this year isn't

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 1>He's going to play five straight through the Memorial, which

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:21.200
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of golf. But for Scottie, I respect

0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he has not played Quail Hollow because

0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 1>he wants to support his hometown events. But man, it's

0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:30.200
<v Speaker 1>just it's not everybody's cup of tea. John Ram's talked

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:32.880
<v Speaker 1>about it. John rom hates Quail Hollow. I mean he

0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:34.800
<v Speaker 1>hates it. There's there's some holes out there that he

0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:37.240
<v Speaker 1>just can't he can't get over, like the fourth role

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 1>of the par three, which I don't disagree with him.

0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't particularly care for that hole either. When you

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 1>have a blank canvas to build a par three and

0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:46.960
<v Speaker 1>you build that hole, it's it's a bit frustrating. But

0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 1>other than other than four and maybe the Green Complex

0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:52.919
<v Speaker 1>on number eight, I think it's a I think it's

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the best place in the world.

0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:59.080
<v Speaker 2>What what else do you have on your list of

0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:01.280
<v Speaker 2>a big big things you're watching this week?

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think we have to talk about Jordan's

0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:08.720
<v Speaker 1>beef and I mean, what a great time that we

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>are our ages to be enjoying and covering the game

0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:14.440
<v Speaker 1>of golf we've had. You know, Phil Micholson obviously has

0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a chance to complete the career grands slaying at the

0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:18.640
<v Speaker 1>US Open, but Rory doing it has made it to

0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:22.720
<v Speaker 1>reality and I would not have said that Jordan's Beef

0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:25.360
<v Speaker 1>had a prayer to win at Quail Hollow. It was

0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 1>his first time trying to complete the Grand Career Grand

0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Slam back in twenty seventeen, and now it's his ninth

0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:35.320
<v Speaker 1>crack back at Quail Hollow. What he's done with his

0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:38.720
<v Speaker 1>driver the last couple of seasons is working for me

0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and watching him play the Byron Nelson he had. He

0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:45.240
<v Speaker 1>has more pop than I've ever seen. He's really committed

0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:48.520
<v Speaker 1>to that driver. He now is giving me some hope

0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 1>that he can get there on Sunday at Quel Hollow

0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:54.640
<v Speaker 1>because he's driving it long, he's driving it straight, and

0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:57.440
<v Speaker 1>as tough as Quail Hollow is around the greens, Jordan's

0:58:57.440 --> 0:58:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Beef can get it up and down from anywhere. And

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the problem with him has been like he

0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:05.400
<v Speaker 1>puts himself in too much trouble off the tee the

0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:08.440
<v Speaker 1>last few seasons. And now that he's driving it better,

0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:11.760
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna let his artistry work around these green complexes.

0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:14.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think he's got an outside chance. And two

0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:16.440
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago I would have said he had zero chance.

0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I I think like Jordan's one of the more

0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:28.000
<v Speaker 2>interesting golf stories just from from you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>we saw this with Sevy a little bit where maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Sevey played his best golf at a very young age.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think Jordan there's been just a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like he's a tinkerer, right, He's obsessed with chasing perfection,

0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:49.800
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with improvement. And I think if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>at a guy like Scotti Scheffler, it seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>like Scotty knows what works and he does what works,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like kind of diametrically opposite approaches to how

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, And I think there's like a real,

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<v Speaker 2>real aspect of like golf success if you are fine

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<v Speaker 2>with monotony, if you are fine with just rolling in

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<v Speaker 2>and doing what you do weekend, week out, day after day,

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<v Speaker 2>golf is a lot harder for those that are very curious.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, like I just wonder, like, in pursuing

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a great driver, did he lose what his superpower was,

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<v Speaker 2>which was approach play? And to me, like it's if

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<v Speaker 2>you start to look at like what the greatest major

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<v Speaker 2>championship players, what they typically have is stellar approach play.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where I've struggled with Jordan right now, is

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<v Speaker 2>like are we getting rock solid A plus short game

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<v Speaker 2>or approach play weekend week out.

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<v Speaker 1>No, clearly we're not. But I would also take it

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<v Speaker 1>a step further when he's win on all those majors

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, seventeen in contentional all the time, he made

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<v Speaker 1>more thirty footers than anybody ever could. And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a sustainable lifestyle. You cannot expect to make putts like

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<v Speaker 1>that all the time. But he did for a number

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<v Speaker 1>of years. And now you see a guy like Rory,

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<v Speaker 1>and you see a guy like Scotty. Scotty Scheffler had

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<v Speaker 1>an eight shot lead last week or whenever the Byron

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<v Speaker 1>Nelson was and he was seventeenth in Strokeskane putting for

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<v Speaker 1>the week. You're breaking all kinds of scoring records, building

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<v Speaker 1>this massive lead, and you're not the number one putter

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<v Speaker 1>in the field like that, And then you look at

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan and you're like, man, if he doesn't putt well,

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<v Speaker 1>he's probably not going to be around for the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think it's the iron play. I also

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<v Speaker 1>think it's the putter with him too, like he finally

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday he shot sixty two and finished solo fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, but too little, too late, and it takes

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<v Speaker 1>him making all these putts because he misses so many

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<v Speaker 1>short ones and he does so many bad things that

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<v Speaker 1>he has to make compensate and make up for it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not a mistake free, boring golfer like Scotty Scheffler.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're so removed now from from that run

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<v Speaker 2>that you begin to hear undertones of like people being

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<v Speaker 2>like we do that the model wasn't sustainable, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like while it was going on, nobody

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<v Speaker 2>was going to say that, but it is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you begin to hear, you know, it's like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't gonna put like that forever. Because I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we're going through people's head while it was happening,

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<v Speaker 2>is like, how how is how is this happening? How

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<v Speaker 2>does this guy make so many twenty footers? I think

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<v Speaker 2>like when you look at career Grand Slam opportunities for

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<v Speaker 2>for Jordan Speith, Aron Mink, PGA, Frisco Olympic Club, probably

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<v Speaker 2>better opportunities than Quail Hollow.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the rough and the approach game coming from

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<v Speaker 1>off the fairway, He's just got to do so many

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<v Speaker 1>great things that I think, you know, the the Bryson's

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<v Speaker 1>and the Rory's are just going to have such an

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<v Speaker 1>advantage over him. It's going to be it's definitely an

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<v Speaker 1>uphill battle. But I give him a I give him

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<v Speaker 1>a two percent chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, it's better than nothing. I think like two years

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<v Speaker 2>ago it felt like or you know, even last year

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<v Speaker 2>at Valhalla, it didn't feel like there was even a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's the career Grand Slam narrative with with him

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<v Speaker 2>has gotten pushed so far down the storylines going into it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that. I think that's you know, I golf

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<v Speaker 2>is a better place when Jordan Speed's playing great golf.

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<v Speaker 2>So hope, hope for great golf from him.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>My last thing is majors are only going to get

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<v Speaker 2>more difficult for and we see this is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rory situation. The longer it goes for Kalin Morkaua,

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<v Speaker 2>Victor Hovland and very I am not being impatient, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not this is very uh Ludvigger Obert and this is like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not worried about Ludvig, but this is a great

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<v Speaker 2>place for Lodvig. And I think I think everywhere is

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<v Speaker 2>a great place for love Vic. But this We've seen

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<v Speaker 2>this so often with players. It is so important to

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<v Speaker 2>pick off majors when you're young and early, because then

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes it becomes the best player that doesn't have major.

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<v Speaker 2>Ludwig is absolutely the best player in golf without a major.

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<v Speaker 2>Victor Hovelin's right there, I think, And.

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<v Speaker 1>But what about Patrick Can'tley. I mean, I'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Patrick Can'tley a world class player? Still?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you put him in your top ten players in

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<v Speaker 2>the world?

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<v Speaker 1>No, go ahead, continue.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyways, Morikawa is more like he hasn't won one

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<v Speaker 2>with fans.

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<v Speaker 1>There were were there were people out there at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair limited. He really hasn't one many tournaments with fans,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's been a long time and there's been a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of close calls, and it's getting to be like

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, it's a it's a storyline. And I think,

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<v Speaker 2>like the other thing is he's running into Scheffler on

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<v Speaker 2>Sundays and he's running into Rory on Sundays, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>is I think there's a clear top echelon in the

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<v Speaker 2>game right now and he is just a notch below it.

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<v Speaker 2>And winning one though it like getting his third puts

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<v Speaker 2>him back up into like this stratosphere of like supreme

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<v Speaker 2>young talent, like supreme young talent that could end up

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<v Speaker 2>being one of the all timers. And I still I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not like word, but he's such a great iron player.

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<v Speaker 2>But does he have the horsepower? And again, these things

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<v Speaker 2>just get more difficult the longer you go without winning

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<v Speaker 2>another one.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't have enough horsepower. But one thing I will

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<v Speaker 1>say is his the market improvement he's made on his

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<v Speaker 1>short game over the last season and a half. That's

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<v Speaker 1>going to compensate for the for the lack of power

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<v Speaker 1>off the team. You really have to have one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty mile an hour ball speed to win major

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<v Speaker 1>championships right now. I hate it that that's where the

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<v Speaker 1>game is. I think Morika is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that benefits from the golf ball roll back in

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years. And he's still so young when

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<v Speaker 1>we look at Jordan's Jordan's he's just thirty one. How

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<v Speaker 1>old is Calin Marcowa twenty seven eight? I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's still young. I think I don't know why he

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<v Speaker 1>got rid of JJ Jacobac by the way, and higher

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think Joe Grinder is a heck of

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<v Speaker 1>a caddy and I think he's awesome. But like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth ranked player in the world, you've been on

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible run. Do you have any insight into that

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<v Speaker 1>split at all, Andy, because I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>He's made some curious decisions what's a blackburn for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>then went back to his old coach. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>been I don't know. I think he's tried stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he just feels maybe he just feels like he

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<v Speaker 2>what was what they were doing? He wasn't getting across

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<v Speaker 2>the line. You know, relationships are weird like that, right, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, very much so. But still like he's just improving, improving, improving,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's getting there. You're right, he ran into Scheffler,

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<v Speaker 1>he ran, he runs in, he gets beat. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like he's beating himself. I mean you could say maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he Yeah, we definitely did there. And then the doubly

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<v Speaker 1>made on nine at the Masters last year on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>was catastrophic. That was sort of a self inflicted wound.

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<v Speaker 1>But he is getting beat by better players. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you look at Scotty, when you look at Rory, they

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<v Speaker 1>have a dynamic aspect of their game, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like Colin has that dynamic aspect to go

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<v Speaker 1>run away and high from fields. I don't think a

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<v Speaker 1>Caddy change is going to make that happen for him.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, he's been so consistent over the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of seasons, Like I think his time's coming, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not coming to Quail Hollow. He needs a he

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<v Speaker 1>needs a place that sort of mitigates distance a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>like a pebble beach maybe, yeah, you know, heard somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>where it's cold, the Olympic like that, Like he needs Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he needs that vibe. He doesn't need a bomber's paradise

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<v Speaker 1>like Quail Hollow where it's going to be warm and

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<v Speaker 1>the ball is going to go forever. He's just he

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<v Speaker 1>just can't do it. And he's pretty one dimensional off

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<v Speaker 1>the team as well. I'd love to see him be

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<v Speaker 1>able to shape the ball both directions that that that

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<v Speaker 1>one dimensional fade I think is nice, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to win major championships with that, especially an

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<v Speaker 1>open championship as well. You gotta be able to fluck

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<v Speaker 1>that ball down.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget I watched, I watched a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>players hit shots at Kiowa on seventeen. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>howling into it and I watched him just hit his

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<v Speaker 2>stock fade and it just floated. And it's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very surprised in this era where players have have had

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<v Speaker 2>real success adding speed incrementally. Look at Rory McElroy, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just he has added speed slowly. I am so

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<v Speaker 2>shocked that we haven't seen incremental gains in Colin Morricowo,

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<v Speaker 2>who seemingly has like a very strong fundamental base to

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<v Speaker 2>work off of right A really and I get like,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things you have to be precious with

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<v Speaker 2>with Colin morikow is like, do not rock the boat

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<v Speaker 2>with the irons, right because that is he the reason

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be a top five player for such

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<v Speaker 2>a long time is he is a generational iron player.

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<v Speaker 2>But getting get improving the driver distance to get more

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<v Speaker 2>short irons to amplify your generational skill seems like it

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<v Speaker 2>would be at the top of my list of things

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<v Speaker 2>to do if I was, you know, looking hard at

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<v Speaker 2>Colin Morikawa's game.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he hits it far enough, but he's a

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<v Speaker 1>little guy, like I don't want to like Xanderschoffle did

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<v Speaker 1>it beautifully and look what it's done for him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Xander can I mean he can pump it. He get

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<v Speaker 1>that ball speed up to one eighty five plus one

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven if he needs and.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden he came from close to

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<v Speaker 2>getting across the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. And it's just it's where the game's headed. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's it's more so now than it's ever been.

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<v Speaker 1>Length is a prerequisite to winning major championships. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to have it. Like Brian Campbell, who won the Mexico Open.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Campbell is never going to win a major championship.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got one hundred and sixty five one hour ball speed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to one of the greatest universities in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Kill that's right a line.

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<v Speaker 2>I so fill a caveat there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, you can have a nice career on

1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:04.559
<v Speaker 1>the PGA Tour. You can do your you can play well.

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<v Speaker 1>And like sept Straka, went the other way. Step made

1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:09.200
<v Speaker 1>it a point he wanted to play from the fairway.

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<v Speaker 1>More so, he took a couple miles an hour off

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<v Speaker 1>of his driver over the last four years, which Accep's

1:11:14.280 --> 1:11:17.559
<v Speaker 1>a massive dude. He could be sending out there. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think to be a top five player in the

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<v Speaker 1>world to contend in these major championships, you can't have

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<v Speaker 1>less than one hundred and seventy five hundred and eighty

1:11:25.400 --> 1:11:27.880
<v Speaker 1>mine hour swing speed. It's just Ira Klubetsby ball speed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not it's watching golf the way I watch

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<v Speaker 1>it now. It sucks because it's why I wasn't good

1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:38.120
<v Speaker 1>enough to play in more majors is because I didn't

1:11:38.160 --> 1:11:41.080
<v Speaker 1>hit the ball far enough. And it's just my son

1:11:41.120 --> 1:11:44.200
<v Speaker 1>who's sixteen. He can get it out there. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seventy seven mine hour ball speed right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, man, you gotta teach these kids as

1:11:49.479 --> 1:11:51.679
<v Speaker 1>they're going up, like if you want to be great,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to hit it far. It's just the way

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<v Speaker 1>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, you look at like Bona Fide, We

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<v Speaker 2>just who's going to play well major championship in and

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<v Speaker 2>major championship out right now? The list is like who

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<v Speaker 2>you expect it from, Like you expect to play well?

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<v Speaker 2>Is Scotty who he can hit one eighty? You know

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<v Speaker 2>you've got Xander, You've got Rory. You've got John Rahm

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<v Speaker 2>and Bryson, all of them, Like when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>their games, there are not discernible weaknesses. There's not like

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<v Speaker 2>a glaring like he can't do this. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>with Colin there's a glaring. And it used to be

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<v Speaker 2>a couple glaring things, but the iron play carried the

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<v Speaker 2>day so much. But now it's just like, well, could

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<v Speaker 2>I just get a few more easy wedges into greens?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what distance offers you.

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<v Speaker 1>And as these golf courses get longer and longer, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>quil Hollow can stretch out to seventy six fifty and

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<v Speaker 1>these places aren't getting shorter. And that's why I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>pebble or Olympic, these sort of pebble. I'm out of

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<v Speaker 1>pebble today. I was looking at the card. It's sixty

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred yards. It doesn't play that short. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>play that short. But I mean it's like me playing

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<v Speaker 1>on the PGA Tour. There are very few places that

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<v Speaker 1>I can win, that I could win, and I took

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of those few places. Colin Morikawa is like that

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<v Speaker 1>at major championship venues. Like I don't love Oakmont for

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<v Speaker 1>him I don't love qual Hollo for him, like and

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<v Speaker 1>you look at a Ludvig, even Ludwig has no there's

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<v Speaker 1>no golf course that doesn't fit him. As you said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he can get a little better with his wedges.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he can get a little better around the greens.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean he's still man. We're just like his

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<v Speaker 1>second halfway through his second full year on the PGA Tour,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to give him a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a break. But for Colin, you bring up some really

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<v Speaker 1>nice points and it is concerning. And what's more concerning

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<v Speaker 1>is that the caddy split right in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>major championship season. I didn't understand it. I saw him

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<v Speaker 1>at Zeri Classic. JJ's awesome. That was that was mind

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<v Speaker 1>blowing to me that he would make that switch leading

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<v Speaker 1>into the PGA.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, it's gonna be a great, great championship. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see you on Golf Channel. You'll be all

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<v Speaker 2>over it live from you know, hopefully replaying a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of iconic shots out there. Absolutely, I've really enjoyed your

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<v Speaker 2>your rise in the golf media world. It's been super

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<v Speaker 2>fun and look forward to seeing you more this year.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got Bryson for the record down as your winner.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got Rory looking forward to great PGA championship and

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<v Speaker 2>big thank you for coming on and joining us to

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<v Speaker 2>chat through it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you, Andy, let's wait until the fall. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you get some time, you need to come to Quail

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<v Speaker 1>Hollow and play with me and my friends. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it would give you a better understanding of how

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<v Speaker 1>special this place is.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know there, there are a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have been in my ear that

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<v Speaker 2>you know the quail. The quail distance needs to stop

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<v Speaker 2>till you set foot on ground, so you're not alone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll even bring into the Member ten next week. We

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<v Speaker 1>can we can have we can have a transfusion together.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna be there. I had to, I had

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<v Speaker 2>I listen. I got a young family, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>just away for basically two weeks and I was at

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters. I have I am on a on a

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<v Speaker 2>on a strict kind of limited travel for the next

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks. All right, Well that I'll see you at.

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<v Speaker 1>It's our loss. I'll see it. I'll see it. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to catch up there in person.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Andy, all right, Thanks Johnson all right, big

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