WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: Navigating Hollywood as a Conservative Christian with Andrew Klavan 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:06.000 Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:09.719 One of the topics that I want to get into 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.640 here is how bad advice can lead to problems in 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.200 your life, and sometimes the bad advice comes from our 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.919 own families. Parents aren't perfect. They're also influenced by the 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.720 wider society, and they can make mistakes in raising their children. 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.720 There was a Puse study from January. I refer to 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.360 this study a lot, just because it really blew my 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:36.920 mind that found parents would prefer by a lot that 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:41.680 their children prioritize financial independence and a good career over 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:46.120 family and children. Eighty eight percent of parents said it 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.199 was extremely or very important for their children to be 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.920 financially independent when they reached adulthood. I mean sure, like 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:57.279 who doesn't think that that's definitely a worthy goal. And 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.000 eighty eight percent also said the same of their children 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.760 having a job they enjoy. Okay, you know, I want 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.240 my kids to be financially independent. I want them to 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.080 have a job they enjoy. I'm with you. But then 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.839 only twenty one percent of parents said it was extremely 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.920 or very important for their child to get married, and 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:22.400 just twenty percent felt that strongly about their kids reproducing. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:27.000 So I mean, just the idea that such a greater 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:33.040 number cared about their child's job versus having grandchildren is astonishing. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.880 I mean, to me, that's civilization ending, and beyond that, 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:42.200 it's just bad advice for life. Like, if you're concerned 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.959 about your child making a good living them, getting married 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:51.600 goes a long way towards that, and living a stable 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.720 life in general goes a long way towards making more money. 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.640 I got into this a few episodes ago with Brad Wilcox. 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.480 But married people or simply richer I don't just mean 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.600 earning more money. They also save more money, which is 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:10.080 a really surprising stat since you know, married people often 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.480 have to take care of these really expensive little people 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.280 that live with them. They still end up saving more 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:20.280 money than single people. Putting money or career first doesn't work. 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.480 You can't have it all in that way. You can 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.200 have it most of it if you're in a stable relationship. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:30.399 I mean, married people also pool their resources. You want 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.560 your kid to be financially secure, move marriage to the 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.800 top of his or her to do list. A study 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.560 I looked at found that twenty nine percent of single 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.600 adults consider themselves financially secure, whereas about half of married 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.600 couples say the same. I mean, that's a jump, you know, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.120 but forget about the financial part of it. That's the 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.760 other thing I think like getting too wrapped up, and 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.799 I tend to do it myself. I tend to look 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.240 at these studies and say, like, it's so much better 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.640 for you financially to get married. But that's you know, 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.600 not romantic and all of that. So it's important to 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.160 look at marriage as being important for a lot of reasons. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.760 We hear a lot about people dying lonely deaths, deaths 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.640 of despair, and yet we're giving our kids this terrible 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.520 advice to pursue money over relationships, only to what have 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.880 them die alone at sixty? Who wants that life for 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:27.760 their children. What's worse is parents are specifically not passing 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.520 on their own values to their kids. It's baffling. A 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.720 pupil from a few months ago found that only about 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.680 a third of parents consider it important to pass their 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.960 religious values onto their children. Like, are you serious with this? 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:46.840 Someone sent me A study just came out on Friday. Actually, Communio, 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:52.760 a national nonprofit organization, conducted a nationwide survey of nineteen 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.480 thousand Sunday church attendees, and they did it during worship 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.720 in one hundred and twelve Evangelical, Protestant and Catholic con ggregations. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.920 They found that only twenty two percent of church goers 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.480 consider themselves lonely, while that number is about fifty percent 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:13.440 in the general population. I mean, religion matters, the religious services. 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:17.080 Attending religious services. We know that this leads to, you know, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.760 a sense of community that you just simply don't have 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.599 if you don't go. And you know, honestly, I I'm 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.640 sort of mixed on where our family is for religious services. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.640 We don't really go to anything regularly, and I, you know, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.000 I feel like for my own kids, I have to 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:39.080 make that change. I'm trying. I've been trying, but I 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.000 get that it's important even if we don't do it. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.360 You know, I feel like I understand that we need 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:48.839 to be motivating towards that. None of this is a coincidence. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.880 Religion is good, marriage is good, community is good. These 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.039 are things that we know. So how did we get 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.520 to this stage where we're giving our kids such awful 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.240 life advice saying that those things don't really matter. I 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.680 really think that what happened is parents try to be 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.400 cool or try to be a friend to their kid, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.000 and what ends up happening is if anything goes attitude like, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:14.719 oh you don't need to get married, Oh you don't 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.839 need to go to religious services, you could do whatever 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.440 you want, everything's fine. They don't want to be like 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.719 that uncool generation who raised them. They want to be 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.560 understanding and let their kids be free to make their choices. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.400 I mean, sure, kids will make their own choices no 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.919 matter what you say to them, but that doesn't mean 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.320 you shouldn't lay down the markers in your own home. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.600 This is what we believe, This is what we want 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.359 for you. This is what a successful life looks like. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.280 You win nothing by pretending all choices are just as 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.960 good as all the other choices. Tell your kids the 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.480 truth and then let them go forge their own path. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.920 Coming up next and interview with Andrew Claven. Join us 0:05:55.960 --> 0:06:01.919 after the break and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:06.040 Show on iHeartRadio. Our guest today is Andrew Claven. Andrew 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.400 is host of The Andrew Claven Show an author of 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.920 the new novel The House of Love and Death. Thank 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.960 you so much for coming on, Andrew, it's. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.240 Good to see you, Carol. Thanks for having me. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.280 Really good to see you too. So The House of 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.160 Love and Death is the third in a trilogy. Tell 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:21.880 us a little bit about the book and the series. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.159 Yeah, it's a third in the series. I'm hoping it'll 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:29.320 go for ten books at least. Yeah. No. It's a long, 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.440 long story about a guy named Cameron Winter who has 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.880 been doing some very dirty work for the government in 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.640 his past and is now trying to recover and become 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.640 a sort of better person. He's taken a job as 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.320 a poetry professor in a Midwestern school, but he has 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.920 this what he calls a strange habit of mind where 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.960 every time he sees certain crimes that just don't make 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.320 sense to him, he's obsessively has to go out and 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.359 see if he can figure out what it is that 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.960 doesn't make sense about them. So he's a guy who's 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.800 kind of been an anti hero is trying to overcome 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.320 that becomes something better in the world, and the world 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.919 is falling apart around him. He's living in modern America, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.520 so the world is falling apart around him, And it's 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.840 basically exploring the idea of how can you be a 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:10.960 good Man in a bad Time. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.160 I like that. So some of your books have been 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.040 made into Hollywood movies before I know. You had True 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.320 Crime with Clint Eastwood, Don't Say a Word with Michael Douglas, 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.440 and this trilogy has been best selling. So has Hollywood 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:25.240 come calling again? 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.440 Absolutely not. That is something you know. I've been a 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.440 very outspoken conservative and an outspoken Christian and is very doubtful. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.640 In fact, when I sent the first book of the series, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.280 When Christmas Comes to my very left wing film agent, 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.360 he loved it. He thought it was absolutely fantastic, and 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.320 he took it out to over one hundred people and 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:49.600 not even a single bite, not a little touch of 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.800 interest in it. And I kept saying to him, you know, 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.920 I am blacklisted, and he keeps saying, no, no, no, 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.560 they would never black Chust. It's all about the money. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.160 And I kept saying, ah, you know, I don't know. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.240 But he was never quite convinced. But he never got 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.000 anywhere with it. Eventually they'll be banned into movies, but 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.480 not for a while. Maybe I have to disappear before 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:06.960 that happened. 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.840 So how do we turn around in industry that is 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.040 not that interested in making money? I mean, Disney continues 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.080 to lose money and they're like, they seem fine with 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.240 it in the pursuit of their ideology. 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.400 That's right, and people do not understand that. People always 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.800 say they think they're being kind of cynical wise by 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.240 saying Hollywood is all about the money, but it's not, 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.360 you know, And they make the money anyway. They make 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.400 it off Marvel movies, they make it off those big 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.880 tent pole pictures. But we don't turn it around. We 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.880 have to beat it. We have to make our own industry, 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.840 We have to build our own infrastructure. This is one 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.800 of the most important parts that conservatives don't understand. It's 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.040 not enough to make movies because you can make movies 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.199 off a credit card. Now they're absolutely beautiful looking. You 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.960 need distribution entities, and you need review entities. You need 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.640 to give awards to artists. I mean, artists live for love, 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.760 you know. And Yeah, when you want to know why 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.520 actors don't care whether their movies make money, it's because 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.440 they get awards, they get prestige, they get girls, they 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.160 get all the things that they went into acting for, right, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.760 and so they and the money will come. But we 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.040 don't have any of those things. So when I bring 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.520 out a novel, for instance, this I used to get 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:20.160 before I became outspoken. I used to become get hundreds 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.880 of venues giving me absolutely great reviews. Now I'm lucky 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.760 if I get any kind of major review attention. And 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.000 still I've managed to put books on the bestseller list, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.720 which is amazing because because we're developing our own media, 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.960 but it's still very difficult, and we just haven't committed 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.000 to the culture the way we should not yet, but 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:39.240 we're starting. It's starting. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.160 Yeah, I mean, I think Daily Wire is obviously leading 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:43.960 the way on so much of that. But so what 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.679 do you think is like so you're saying, like building 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.360 a movie studio would only be step one, but what 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.160 are like the next steps? What you know, is it 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.079 really just we have to just build a parallel society 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.600 and kind of leave the left out of it. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.079 Yes, because we'll destroy them. Every thing they do is garbage. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.640 Everything they touched turns to crap. Their stories are lies. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.240 They're lecturing us. Everybody has to Nobody can be in 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.600 a marriage of two white people. Everybody has to be 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.760 in a mixed marriage, which, of course I could care 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:14.600 less whether people in mixed marriage I just don't want 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.840 to be lectured by the worst people in the country. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.079 It's like fruit lying on the ground. It's not low 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.160 hanging fruit, it's fruit lying on the ground. They don't 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.280 make you know, A long time ago I made a 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.000 video called the One State Solution about how the entire 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.559 middle he should be given to the Jews. And when 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.560 I came up with the idea, I thought, that's such 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.079 an obvious joke. Someone must have made it. No, No, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.520 they don't make any of those jokes, And so the 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.600 field is open. We could devour them if people would 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.959 just start spending the money and the attention to do it. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.240 So, I mean, changing the culture is kind of a 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.280 tough you know, ask like other than movies. I guess 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.200 my question is how do we do it without? You know, 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.800 I guess we can't not restart everything. How do we 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.120 start this process? 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.520 Well, see, the thing is, conservatives by nature are kind 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.480 of backward looking, and you need to be forward looking 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.640 because the arts, the arts will only be saved by 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.360 people who love them. They won't be saved by people 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.480 who want to bludgeon other people into agreeing with you. 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.960 The arts are naturally countercultural, so we're actually in a 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.680 good position because we are the counterculture. But look look ahead. 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:23.720 Things that are coming out that are going to be 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.360 the great new art form are things like the oculus 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.040 that the meta stuff where you have three dimensional art 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.160 going on, is going to be. You know, YouTube and 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.160 videos are a form of art that we've actually done 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.559 very well. In those small satirical videos. We're a lot 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.719 funnier than they are where you know, we're a lot 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.760 we're saying it's easier to be funny because we tell 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.800 the truth. So there's all kinds of ways for ordinary 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.680 creative people to make their mark, but you have to 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.280 do it, and you have to give up on the 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.040 big career in Hollywood. This was a benefit that I had. 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.679 I got blacklisted in Hollywood. I always say I didn't 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.640 care couldn't care less. It was painful, but I never 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.480 lost any sleep over it because I just thought, no, 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.760 I'm going to make things any way I can. If 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.200 I have to just go to people's houses and scratch 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.920 it on their door, I'll do that. And it's been great. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.120 It's worked out. You know, I'm good at what I do. 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.439 I've worked very hard to become good at what I do, 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.400 and so when people pick it up. I'm not a 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.760 conservative making art. I'm an artist who's a conservative. That's 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:24.000 that's what we're looking for. 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.880 That's great. Yeah, did you always want to be a 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.400 writer always? 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.040 I mean after I got over like wanting to be 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.440 a cowboy? Yeah, basically, you know. 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.120 But still be a cowboy. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.560 And maybe I could or right fielder for the Yankees 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.800 if just get out of my way. But yeah, no, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.280 I always wanted to. I loved I sort of found 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.560 myself in the books of the tough guy writers like 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:53.240 Ernest Hemingway and especially Raymond Chandler and his Philip Marlowe novels. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.840 And so I'm doing exactly kind of what I set 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.440 out to do. And I'm now at that stage, at 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.360 late stage in a career where you start to sum 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.720 up and think about what you're doing. So these new books, 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.960 the Camera and Winter books are really, I feel like, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.160 really rich with kind of the tradition that I've been 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:12.280 working in all this time. And it's a very moving 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.400 experience to kind of look at everything you've done and 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:16.720 try to bring it all together. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.880 So both of your children have also written books. You 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:20.960 have two children, right. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.440 I have two children, Yes, children. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.840 Yeah, So Spencer Claven and Faith More and I'm actually 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.480 having Faith on the show about her book later this week. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.800 Did you force them to follow. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.360 In your books? No? No, Oh my god, I would 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.160 have thrown my body over the door if I could 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.439 have stop them. I always feel that my family, somewhere, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.840 somewhere in the past, someone in my family burned a 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.280 witch and she was going up and flames. She said, 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.280 you'll never have a doctor and your family, you know, 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.559 only artists. But they're both incredibly First of all, they're 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.800 both so such different people with such different outlooks. But 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.400 not only are they loving toward one another, but they 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.560 actually have each one of them this voice that I 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.720 think is right rather remarkable. I've read Faith's new book 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:08.600 and it's charming and witty and just another kind of 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.000 thing you know, that I would do or Spencer would do, 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.680 and I think it's it's a wonderful thing to see. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.560 And again, because no one else is doing what we do, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.960 the field is kind of open, and it's it's kind 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.000 of nice to be able to offer things to people 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.120 who aren't getting entertained because they're always being attacked. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.480 Yeah, so you've written so many amazing books. You have 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.520 a great family. I just love your kids. Do you 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:33.440 feel like you've made it? 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:39.000 Well, that's a tough question. I'm not even sure what 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.600 it means. I feel that I have lived an extraordinarily 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:47.080 beautiful life. I mean, I cannot understand why this happened 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.600 to me. And I say that actually seriously, I've frequently 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.920 talked to God about this. I have a marriage that 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:56.960 is out of a fairy tale. I mean, you know, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:58.760 at least from my point of view. Maybe my wife 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:00.280 is trying to stake out the back when do as 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.440 I speak. But you know, the kids are so are 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.520 so wonderful. I love them and we're close, and it's 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.240 it's a beautiful thing. I do the work that I 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.160 set out to do, and I do it at as 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.480 high a level as I could have ever expected of myself, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:18.000 and sometimes higher. So yeah, you know, let's put it 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:19.880 this way. I have no complaints. I guess the reason 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.080 I hesitate to give you a yes or no answer 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.720 because there's always something ahead of you. There really something 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.520 more you want to achieve. And that's a beautiful thing too, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.760 because I wouldn't want to just kind of dust off 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.720 my hands and say, well that's that's it. Until the 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.200 boss calls time, you know. So so yeah, you know, 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.200 I feel it's just been an amazing life. And again, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.160 I'm not sure some I keep expecting someone to knock 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.080 on the door and say, sorry, you got the wrong life, 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.560 But yeah, I have no complaints. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.120 So I have two separate friends who don't know each other, 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.280 who both say that you are podcast. You know, your 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.800 show like feels like like a friend. You know, I 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.760 feel like that's really the highest compliment that anybody can get. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.640 Did you kind of start out your show thinking like 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.400 I'm going to be a friend to all these people? 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.800 No, sometime I know it's funny. One of the reasons 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:20.240 I write is because there is nothing more beautiful to 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.280 me than if I don't sleep much and I'll wake 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.400 up at three o'clock in the morning, and if you 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.760 go and reach out for a book, you feel like, oh, 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.280 there's somebody out there in the darkness, even if they're 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.240 long dead, there's somebody out there in the darkness who 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:36.640 saw the things that I see and feels felt the 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.160 things that I feel. And so hopefully that's come across 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.320 in the podcast. You know, I never expected to be 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.880 doing anything like this. I never expected to be in public, 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.000 certainly never expected to be in front of cameras, and 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.080 it took me a while to sort of warm up 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.480 and let go and open myself to what I was doing. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.520 At first, I felt very withdrawn and a little bit 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.080 performative in the since I'm not really a performer. It 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.240 took a while for me to kind of overcome that. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.320 But I'm really happy to hear that. I mean, it is. 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.160 I do give it everything I've got every week. And 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:11.760 one of the reasons it was I was doing it 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.200 four days a week and I said to Jeremy Barne, 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:15.840 who runs the Daily Wire, I said, you know, I 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.520 just can't get it at the quality I want it, 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.400 so I want to I asked if I could cut 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.240 it back. And it's been great. I mean, that has 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.560 been great. I feel it is up the quality, and 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:26.560 I'm thrilled to hear that. 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:31.520 Yeah. Are you optimistic in general on our culture or 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.080 where is Angel Clavin? You know, on what's going on 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.000 in the country and where we're heading, especially culturally. 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:43.760 Yeah, well, I feel that we've hit a bottom place. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.760 I feel that the thought of the last five hundred years, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.639 and I'm not joking about this, I feel that over 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.520 the course of five hundred years, the idea of faith 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.480 has been bleeding away. The greatest thinkers have been saying 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.680 it's bleeding away. They've been talking about what it was 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.720 going to be like when it bled away, and all 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.480 of that stuff has come true. And so the question, now, 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:07.080 you know, it's funny, but even people I know who 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.520 have no faith, who have no religion, are talking to 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:14.119 me now in religious terms. They're talking about demonic times. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.680 They're talking about the end of days and all those things. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.000 And so, either you know, we're going to look up 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:20.440 in the cloud and God is going to be coming 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.520 down with charriots and angels and all that stuff, or 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.800 it's time to make a turn. We're going through something 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.879 that I've never seen before. I've been I'm now one 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.720 hundred and seventy two years old, and I've never seen 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.320 I've never seen a pause in the culture like this. 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.959 Our movie stink, our books aren't that good, our music 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.080 is terrible. Everything has stopped. Even the New York Times. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.000 I have to say that one of their critics wrote 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.080 a long piece about this, why has this happened? And 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.560 of course everything after that was incorrect, but he was 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.120 at least asking the question that means that something new 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.760 is coming, and hopefully it's something new that remains human 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.800 and humane and starts to I moved back toward the 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:06.320 light of spiritual faith, because we're not just meat puppets 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.640 filled with chemistry sets. We're actually are something far more 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.240 than that. And I understand that we had to explore 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:16.800 this thought. Some thoughts are inevitably will be explored. But 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.280 it was wrong. There was thought was wrong, and the 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.560 thought that created modernism and postmodernism and all the things 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.879 that came afterwards was an incorrect thought. And now that 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.240 we've hit the bottom, I'm very hopeful that we will 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.960 turn around. I did, I mean my life. I was 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.960 baptized at the age of forty nine. I mean my 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.640 life has been a long journey in that regard. And 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.760 I only came to faith because it made sense when 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.200 nothing else did. And it not only made sense in itself, 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.240 it made sense of everything else. And so I cannot 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.520 help but believe and have faith in the idea that 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.760 people ultimately turn to what makes sense away from what 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.760 is destroying them and dragging them down. So many, especially 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.600 young people, I talk to them all the time. They're 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.080 so unhappy and it's like, you know, it's eventually you 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:02.639 start to think, well, maybe I don't have to be 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:04.600 this way, Maybe this is not what life is supposed 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:04.720 to be. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:07.119 So I don't think you look a day over one 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:12.080 hundred and seventy flatter me. We're going to take a 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.880 quick break and be right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.840 What would you say is our largest cultural or sital 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:23.600 problem and is it solvable? 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:30.360 Well, it's this, It's materialism, and it's so it diffuses 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.560 the society so completely that even the people who think 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.239 they have faith don't really act as if they have 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.439 faith a minute. They get depressed, they take a pill, 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.199