Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: One of the topics that I want to get into
Speaker 1: here is how bad advice can lead to problems in
Speaker 1: your life, and sometimes the bad advice comes from our
Speaker 1: own families. Parents aren't perfect. They're also influenced by the
Speaker 1: wider society, and they can make mistakes in raising their children.
Speaker 1: There was a Puse study from January. I refer to
Speaker 1: this study a lot, just because it really blew my
Speaker 1: mind that found parents would prefer by a lot that
Speaker 1: their children prioritize financial independence and a good career over
Speaker 1: family and children. Eighty eight percent of parents said it
Speaker 1: was extremely or very important for their children to be
Speaker 1: financially independent when they reached adulthood. I mean sure, like
Speaker 1: who doesn't think that that's definitely a worthy goal. And
Speaker 1: eighty eight percent also said the same of their children
Speaker 1: having a job they enjoy. Okay, you know, I want
Speaker 1: my kids to be financially independent. I want them to
Speaker 1: have a job they enjoy. I'm with you. But then
Speaker 1: only twenty one percent of parents said it was extremely
Speaker 1: or very important for their child to get married, and
Speaker 1: just twenty percent felt that strongly about their kids reproducing.
Speaker 1: So I mean, just the idea that such a greater
Speaker 1: number cared about their child's job versus having grandchildren is astonishing.
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that's civilization ending, and beyond that,
Speaker 1: it's just bad advice for life. Like, if you're concerned
Speaker 1: about your child making a good living them, getting married
Speaker 1: goes a long way towards that, and living a stable
Speaker 1: life in general goes a long way towards making more money.
Speaker 1: I got into this a few episodes ago with Brad Wilcox.
Speaker 1: But married people or simply richer I don't just mean
Speaker 1: earning more money. They also save more money, which is
Speaker 1: a really surprising stat since you know, married people often
Speaker 1: have to take care of these really expensive little people
Speaker 1: that live with them. They still end up saving more
Speaker 1: money than single people. Putting money or career first doesn't work.
Speaker 1: You can't have it all in that way. You can
Speaker 1: have it most of it if you're in a stable relationship.
Speaker 1: I mean, married people also pool their resources. You want
Speaker 1: your kid to be financially secure, move marriage to the
Speaker 1: top of his or her to do list. A study
Speaker 1: I looked at found that twenty nine percent of single
Speaker 1: adults consider themselves financially secure, whereas about half of married
Speaker 1: couples say the same. I mean, that's a jump, you know,
Speaker 1: but forget about the financial part of it. That's the
Speaker 1: other thing I think like getting too wrapped up, and
Speaker 1: I tend to do it myself. I tend to look
Speaker 1: at these studies and say, like, it's so much better
Speaker 1: for you financially to get married. But that's you know,
Speaker 1: not romantic and all of that. So it's important to
Speaker 1: look at marriage as being important for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: We hear a lot about people dying lonely deaths, deaths
Speaker 1: of despair, and yet we're giving our kids this terrible
Speaker 1: advice to pursue money over relationships, only to what have
Speaker 1: them die alone at sixty? Who wants that life for
Speaker 1: their children. What's worse is parents are specifically not passing
Speaker 1: on their own values to their kids. It's baffling. A
Speaker 1: pupil from a few months ago found that only about
Speaker 1: a third of parents consider it important to pass their
Speaker 1: religious values onto their children. Like, are you serious with this?
Speaker 1: Someone sent me A study just came out on Friday. Actually, Communio,
Speaker 1: a national nonprofit organization, conducted a nationwide survey of nineteen
Speaker 1: thousand Sunday church attendees, and they did it during worship
Speaker 1: in one hundred and twelve Evangelical, Protestant and Catholic con ggregations.
Speaker 1: They found that only twenty two percent of church goers
Speaker 1: consider themselves lonely, while that number is about fifty percent
Speaker 1: in the general population. I mean, religion matters, the religious services.
Speaker 1: Attending religious services. We know that this leads to, you know,
Speaker 1: a sense of community that you just simply don't have
Speaker 1: if you don't go. And you know, honestly, I I'm
Speaker 1: sort of mixed on where our family is for religious services.
Speaker 1: We don't really go to anything regularly, and I, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like for my own kids, I have to
Speaker 1: make that change. I'm trying. I've been trying, but I
Speaker 1: get that it's important even if we don't do it.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I understand that we need
Speaker 1: to be motivating towards that. None of this is a coincidence.
Speaker 1: Religion is good, marriage is good, community is good. These
Speaker 1: are things that we know. So how did we get
Speaker 1: to this stage where we're giving our kids such awful
Speaker 1: life advice saying that those things don't really matter. I
Speaker 1: really think that what happened is parents try to be
Speaker 1: cool or try to be a friend to their kid,
Speaker 1: and what ends up happening is if anything goes attitude like,
Speaker 1: oh you don't need to get married, Oh you don't
Speaker 1: need to go to religious services, you could do whatever
Speaker 1: you want, everything's fine. They don't want to be like
Speaker 1: that uncool generation who raised them. They want to be
Speaker 1: understanding and let their kids be free to make their choices.
Speaker 1: I mean, sure, kids will make their own choices no
Speaker 1: matter what you say to them, but that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you shouldn't lay down the markers in your own home.
Speaker 1: This is what we believe, This is what we want
Speaker 1: for you. This is what a successful life looks like.
Speaker 1: You win nothing by pretending all choices are just as
Speaker 1: good as all the other choices. Tell your kids the
Speaker 1: truth and then let them go forge their own path.
Speaker 1: Coming up next and interview with Andrew Claven. Join us
Speaker 1: after the break and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz
Speaker 1: Show on iHeartRadio. Our guest today is Andrew Claven. Andrew
Speaker 1: is host of The Andrew Claven Show an author of
Speaker 1: the new novel The House of Love and Death. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on, Andrew, it's.
Speaker 2: Good to see you, Carol. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Really good to see you too. So The House of
Speaker 1: Love and Death is the third in a trilogy. Tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about the book and the series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a third in the series. I'm hoping it'll
Speaker 2: go for ten books at least. Yeah. No. It's a long,
Speaker 2: long story about a guy named Cameron Winter who has
Speaker 2: been doing some very dirty work for the government in
Speaker 2: his past and is now trying to recover and become
Speaker 2: a sort of better person. He's taken a job as
Speaker 2: a poetry professor in a Midwestern school, but he has
Speaker 2: this what he calls a strange habit of mind where
Speaker 2: every time he sees certain crimes that just don't make
Speaker 2: sense to him, he's obsessively has to go out and
Speaker 2: see if he can figure out what it is that
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense about them. So he's a guy who's
Speaker 2: kind of been an anti hero is trying to overcome
Speaker 2: that becomes something better in the world, and the world
Speaker 2: is falling apart around him. He's living in modern America,
Speaker 2: so the world is falling apart around him, And it's
Speaker 2: basically exploring the idea of how can you be a
Speaker 2: good Man in a bad Time.
Speaker 1: I like that. So some of your books have been
Speaker 1: made into Hollywood movies before I know. You had True
Speaker 1: Crime with Clint Eastwood, Don't Say a Word with Michael Douglas,
Speaker 1: and this trilogy has been best selling. So has Hollywood
Speaker 1: come calling again?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. That is something you know. I've been a
Speaker 2: very outspoken conservative and an outspoken Christian and is very doubtful.
Speaker 2: In fact, when I sent the first book of the series,
Speaker 2: When Christmas Comes to my very left wing film agent,
Speaker 2: he loved it. He thought it was absolutely fantastic, and
Speaker 2: he took it out to over one hundred people and
Speaker 2: not even a single bite, not a little touch of
Speaker 2: interest in it. And I kept saying to him, you know,
Speaker 2: I am blacklisted, and he keeps saying, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: they would never black Chust. It's all about the money.
Speaker 2: And I kept saying, ah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But he was never quite convinced. But he never got
Speaker 2: anywhere with it. Eventually they'll be banned into movies, but
Speaker 2: not for a while. Maybe I have to disappear before
Speaker 2: that happened.
Speaker 1: So how do we turn around in industry that is
Speaker 1: not that interested in making money? I mean, Disney continues
Speaker 1: to lose money and they're like, they seem fine with
Speaker 1: it in the pursuit of their ideology.
Speaker 2: That's right, and people do not understand that. People always
Speaker 2: say they think they're being kind of cynical wise by
Speaker 2: saying Hollywood is all about the money, but it's not,
Speaker 2: you know, And they make the money anyway. They make
Speaker 2: it off Marvel movies, they make it off those big
Speaker 2: tent pole pictures. But we don't turn it around. We
Speaker 2: have to beat it. We have to make our own industry,
Speaker 2: We have to build our own infrastructure. This is one
Speaker 2: of the most important parts that conservatives don't understand. It's
Speaker 2: not enough to make movies because you can make movies
Speaker 2: off a credit card. Now they're absolutely beautiful looking. You
Speaker 2: need distribution entities, and you need review entities. You need
Speaker 2: to give awards to artists. I mean, artists live for love,
Speaker 2: you know. And Yeah, when you want to know why
Speaker 2: actors don't care whether their movies make money, it's because
Speaker 2: they get awards, they get prestige, they get girls, they
Speaker 2: get all the things that they went into acting for, right,
Speaker 2: and so they and the money will come. But we
Speaker 2: don't have any of those things. So when I bring
Speaker 2: out a novel, for instance, this I used to get
Speaker 2: before I became outspoken. I used to become get hundreds
Speaker 2: of venues giving me absolutely great reviews. Now I'm lucky
Speaker 2: if I get any kind of major review attention. And
Speaker 2: still I've managed to put books on the bestseller list,
Speaker 2: which is amazing because because we're developing our own media,
Speaker 2: but it's still very difficult, and we just haven't committed
Speaker 2: to the culture the way we should not yet, but
Speaker 2: we're starting. It's starting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think Daily Wire is obviously leading
Speaker 1: the way on so much of that. But so what
Speaker 1: do you think is like so you're saying, like building
Speaker 1: a movie studio would only be step one, but what
Speaker 1: are like the next steps? What you know, is it
Speaker 1: really just we have to just build a parallel society
Speaker 1: and kind of leave the left out of it.
Speaker 2: Yes, because we'll destroy them. Every thing they do is garbage.
Speaker 2: Everything they touched turns to crap. Their stories are lies.
Speaker 2: They're lecturing us. Everybody has to Nobody can be in
Speaker 2: a marriage of two white people. Everybody has to be
Speaker 2: in a mixed marriage, which, of course I could care
Speaker 2: less whether people in mixed marriage I just don't want
Speaker 2: to be lectured by the worst people in the country.
Speaker 2: It's like fruit lying on the ground. It's not low
Speaker 2: hanging fruit, it's fruit lying on the ground. They don't
Speaker 2: make you know, A long time ago I made a
Speaker 2: video called the One State Solution about how the entire
Speaker 2: middle he should be given to the Jews. And when
Speaker 2: I came up with the idea, I thought, that's such
Speaker 2: an obvious joke. Someone must have made it. No, No,
Speaker 2: they don't make any of those jokes, And so the
Speaker 2: field is open. We could devour them if people would
Speaker 2: just start spending the money and the attention to do it.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, changing the culture is kind of a
Speaker 1: tough you know, ask like other than movies. I guess
Speaker 1: my question is how do we do it without? You know,
Speaker 1: I guess we can't not restart everything. How do we
Speaker 1: start this process?
Speaker 2: Well, see, the thing is, conservatives by nature are kind
Speaker 2: of backward looking, and you need to be forward looking
Speaker 2: because the arts, the arts will only be saved by
Speaker 2: people who love them. They won't be saved by people
Speaker 2: who want to bludgeon other people into agreeing with you.
Speaker 2: The arts are naturally countercultural, so we're actually in a
Speaker 2: good position because we are the counterculture. But look look ahead.
Speaker 2: Things that are coming out that are going to be
Speaker 2: the great new art form are things like the oculus
Speaker 2: that the meta stuff where you have three dimensional art
Speaker 2: going on, is going to be. You know, YouTube and
Speaker 2: videos are a form of art that we've actually done
Speaker 2: very well. In those small satirical videos. We're a lot
Speaker 2: funnier than they are where you know, we're a lot
Speaker 2: we're saying it's easier to be funny because we tell
Speaker 2: the truth. So there's all kinds of ways for ordinary
Speaker 2: creative people to make their mark, but you have to
Speaker 2: do it, and you have to give up on the
Speaker 2: big career in Hollywood. This was a benefit that I had.
Speaker 2: I got blacklisted in Hollywood. I always say I didn't
Speaker 2: care couldn't care less. It was painful, but I never
Speaker 2: lost any sleep over it because I just thought, no,
Speaker 2: I'm going to make things any way I can. If
Speaker 2: I have to just go to people's houses and scratch
Speaker 2: it on their door, I'll do that. And it's been great.
Speaker 2: It's worked out. You know, I'm good at what I do.
Speaker 2: I've worked very hard to become good at what I do,
Speaker 2: and so when people pick it up. I'm not a
Speaker 2: conservative making art. I'm an artist who's a conservative. That's
Speaker 2: that's what we're looking for.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, did you always want to be a
Speaker 1: writer always?
Speaker 2: I mean after I got over like wanting to be
Speaker 2: a cowboy? Yeah, basically, you know.
Speaker 1: But still be a cowboy.
Speaker 2: And maybe I could or right fielder for the Yankees
Speaker 2: if just get out of my way. But yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I always wanted to. I loved I sort of found
Speaker 2: myself in the books of the tough guy writers like
Speaker 2: Ernest Hemingway and especially Raymond Chandler and his Philip Marlowe novels.
Speaker 2: And so I'm doing exactly kind of what I set
Speaker 2: out to do. And I'm now at that stage, at
Speaker 2: late stage in a career where you start to sum
Speaker 2: up and think about what you're doing. So these new books,
Speaker 2: the Camera and Winter books are really, I feel like,
Speaker 2: really rich with kind of the tradition that I've been
Speaker 2: working in all this time. And it's a very moving
Speaker 2: experience to kind of look at everything you've done and
Speaker 2: try to bring it all together.
Speaker 1: So both of your children have also written books. You
Speaker 1: have two children, right.
Speaker 2: I have two children, Yes, children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Spencer Claven and Faith More and I'm actually
Speaker 1: having Faith on the show about her book later this week.
Speaker 1: Did you force them to follow.
Speaker 2: In your books? No? No, Oh my god, I would
Speaker 2: have thrown my body over the door if I could
Speaker 2: have stop them. I always feel that my family, somewhere,
Speaker 2: somewhere in the past, someone in my family burned a
Speaker 2: witch and she was going up and flames. She said,
Speaker 2: you'll never have a doctor and your family, you know,
Speaker 2: only artists. But they're both incredibly First of all, they're
Speaker 2: both so such different people with such different outlooks. But
Speaker 2: not only are they loving toward one another, but they
Speaker 2: actually have each one of them this voice that I
Speaker 2: think is right rather remarkable. I've read Faith's new book
Speaker 2: and it's charming and witty and just another kind of
Speaker 2: thing you know, that I would do or Spencer would do,
Speaker 2: and I think it's it's a wonderful thing to see.
Speaker 2: And again, because no one else is doing what we do,
Speaker 2: the field is kind of open, and it's it's kind
Speaker 2: of nice to be able to offer things to people
Speaker 2: who aren't getting entertained because they're always being attacked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've written so many amazing books. You have
Speaker 1: a great family. I just love your kids. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like you've made it?
Speaker 2: Well, that's a tough question. I'm not even sure what
Speaker 2: it means. I feel that I have lived an extraordinarily
Speaker 2: beautiful life. I mean, I cannot understand why this happened
Speaker 2: to me. And I say that actually seriously, I've frequently
Speaker 2: talked to God about this. I have a marriage that
Speaker 2: is out of a fairy tale. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: at least from my point of view. Maybe my wife
Speaker 2: is trying to stake out the back when do as
Speaker 2: I speak. But you know, the kids are so are
Speaker 2: so wonderful. I love them and we're close, and it's
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful thing. I do the work that I
Speaker 2: set out to do, and I do it at as
Speaker 2: high a level as I could have ever expected of myself,
Speaker 2: and sometimes higher. So yeah, you know, let's put it
Speaker 2: this way. I have no complaints. I guess the reason
Speaker 2: I hesitate to give you a yes or no answer
Speaker 2: because there's always something ahead of you. There really something
Speaker 2: more you want to achieve. And that's a beautiful thing too,
Speaker 2: because I wouldn't want to just kind of dust off
Speaker 2: my hands and say, well that's that's it. Until the
Speaker 2: boss calls time, you know. So so yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I feel it's just been an amazing life. And again,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure some I keep expecting someone to knock
Speaker 2: on the door and say, sorry, you got the wrong life,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I have no complaints.
Speaker 1: So I have two separate friends who don't know each other,
Speaker 1: who both say that you are podcast. You know, your
Speaker 1: show like feels like like a friend. You know, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's really the highest compliment that anybody can get.
Speaker 1: Did you kind of start out your show thinking like
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a friend to all these people?
Speaker 2: No, sometime I know it's funny. One of the reasons
Speaker 2: I write is because there is nothing more beautiful to
Speaker 2: me than if I don't sleep much and I'll wake
Speaker 2: up at three o'clock in the morning, and if you
Speaker 2: go and reach out for a book, you feel like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's somebody out there in the darkness, even if they're
Speaker 2: long dead, there's somebody out there in the darkness who
Speaker 2: saw the things that I see and feels felt the
Speaker 2: things that I feel. And so hopefully that's come across
Speaker 2: in the podcast. You know, I never expected to be
Speaker 2: doing anything like this. I never expected to be in public,
Speaker 2: certainly never expected to be in front of cameras, and
Speaker 2: it took me a while to sort of warm up
Speaker 2: and let go and open myself to what I was doing.
Speaker 2: At first, I felt very withdrawn and a little bit
Speaker 2: performative in the since I'm not really a performer. It
Speaker 2: took a while for me to kind of overcome that.
Speaker 2: But I'm really happy to hear that. I mean, it is.
Speaker 2: I do give it everything I've got every week. And
Speaker 2: one of the reasons it was I was doing it
Speaker 2: four days a week and I said to Jeremy Barne,
Speaker 2: who runs the Daily Wire, I said, you know, I
Speaker 2: just can't get it at the quality I want it,
Speaker 2: so I want to I asked if I could cut
Speaker 2: it back. And it's been great. I mean, that has
Speaker 2: been great. I feel it is up the quality, and
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to hear that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you optimistic in general on our culture or
Speaker 1: where is Angel Clavin? You know, on what's going on
Speaker 1: in the country and where we're heading, especially culturally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I feel that we've hit a bottom place.
Speaker 2: I feel that the thought of the last five hundred years,
Speaker 2: and I'm not joking about this, I feel that over
Speaker 2: the course of five hundred years, the idea of faith
Speaker 2: has been bleeding away. The greatest thinkers have been saying
Speaker 2: it's bleeding away. They've been talking about what it was
Speaker 2: going to be like when it bled away, and all
Speaker 2: of that stuff has come true. And so the question, now,
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny, but even people I know who
Speaker 2: have no faith, who have no religion, are talking to
Speaker 2: me now in religious terms. They're talking about demonic times.
Speaker 2: They're talking about the end of days and all those things.
Speaker 2: And so, either you know, we're going to look up
Speaker 2: in the cloud and God is going to be coming
Speaker 2: down with charriots and angels and all that stuff, or
Speaker 2: it's time to make a turn. We're going through something
Speaker 2: that I've never seen before. I've been I'm now one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy two years old, and I've never seen
Speaker 2: I've never seen a pause in the culture like this.
Speaker 2: Our movie stink, our books aren't that good, our music
Speaker 2: is terrible. Everything has stopped. Even the New York Times.
Speaker 2: I have to say that one of their critics wrote
Speaker 2: a long piece about this, why has this happened? And
Speaker 2: of course everything after that was incorrect, but he was
Speaker 2: at least asking the question that means that something new
Speaker 2: is coming, and hopefully it's something new that remains human
Speaker 2: and humane and starts to I moved back toward the
Speaker 2: light of spiritual faith, because we're not just meat puppets
Speaker 2: filled with chemistry sets. We're actually are something far more
Speaker 2: than that. And I understand that we had to explore
Speaker 2: this thought. Some thoughts are inevitably will be explored. But
Speaker 2: it was wrong. There was thought was wrong, and the
Speaker 2: thought that created modernism and postmodernism and all the things
Speaker 2: that came afterwards was an incorrect thought. And now that
Speaker 2: we've hit the bottom, I'm very hopeful that we will
Speaker 2: turn around. I did, I mean my life. I was
Speaker 2: baptized at the age of forty nine. I mean my
Speaker 2: life has been a long journey in that regard. And
Speaker 2: I only came to faith because it made sense when
Speaker 2: nothing else did. And it not only made sense in itself,
Speaker 2: it made sense of everything else. And so I cannot
Speaker 2: help but believe and have faith in the idea that
Speaker 2: people ultimately turn to what makes sense away from what
Speaker 2: is destroying them and dragging them down. So many, especially
Speaker 2: young people, I talk to them all the time. They're
Speaker 2: so unhappy and it's like, you know, it's eventually you
Speaker 2: start to think, well, maybe I don't have to be
Speaker 2: this way, Maybe this is not what life is supposed
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: So I don't think you look a day over one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy flatter me. We're going to take a
Speaker 1: quick break and be right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 1: What would you say is our largest cultural or sital
Speaker 1: problem and is it solvable?
Speaker 2: Well, it's this, It's materialism, and it's so it diffuses
Speaker 2: the society so completely that even the people who think
Speaker 2: they have faith don't really act as if they have
Speaker 2: faith a minute. They get depressed, they take a pill,
Speaker 2: they talk about they'll say, well, I'm having a you know,
Speaker 2: an adrenaline rush, instead of saying I'm excited. They talk
Speaker 2: about themselves as if there were a chemistry set and
Speaker 2: that's not what we are. The obvious truth is that
Speaker 2: the chemicals in our bodies, or our bodies or physical
Speaker 2: machines are reflecting something that's happening that you know, just
Speaker 2: like a word reflects a meaning, our bodies reflect a self.
Speaker 2: And I think that's where we're going to have to
Speaker 2: come back to. And yes, of course it's solvable because
Speaker 2: the funny thing, the weirdest thing about life, and the
Speaker 2: most hopeful thing about life, is you only have to
Speaker 2: turn the ship around. It's like the minute you turn
Speaker 2: in another direction. This is in the New Testament. There's
Speaker 2: a story of the prodigal son who goes off and
Speaker 2: wastes everything. He has everything, and he comes back and
Speaker 2: the minute he comes over the hill, thinking I'll beg
Speaker 2: my father to take me back, And the minute he
Speaker 2: comes over the hill, his father runs to greet him.
Speaker 2: And that is something I've seen before. To give an example,
Speaker 2: the seventies were very much like this time, not quite
Speaker 2: as bad. There were things that were better about them,
Speaker 2: but the economy was bad, the culture was bad, and
Speaker 2: all that had to happen was Ronald Reagan had to
Speaker 2: just say we're going to go in a different direction,
Speaker 2: and within a year everything was better. Rudy Giuliani took
Speaker 2: over a city that was just as bad as San
Speaker 2: Francisco is today and somehow worse, and all he need
Speaker 2: to do is turn the culture well. The New York
Speaker 2: Times called them names and a racism every day, but
Speaker 2: the whole city turned around almost instantaneously. It was really
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing, and that's true of individual lives too.
Speaker 2: You only have to turn around and you know your
Speaker 2: father comes running to meet you. And so I'm really
Speaker 2: always optimistic, even though I do know that everything that's
Speaker 2: mortal dies and everything built by mortal fans collapses. I
Speaker 2: don't think we're there yet. I don't think this is
Speaker 2: that time yet, and so I'm hopeful it can turn
Speaker 2: around and quicker than we think.
Speaker 1: Do you think you have a nonfiction book on all
Speaker 1: of this in you?
Speaker 2: You know? I have. I've been writing nonfiction books too,
Speaker 2: which has been a really exciting part of this part
Speaker 2: of my career. I'm working on one now about evil
Speaker 2: in the arts and what that looks like. And yes,
Speaker 2: I think this is something. You know. I wrote a
Speaker 2: memoir which was about my coming to faith, but so
Speaker 2: much to me since then.
Speaker 1: That I could, you know, I don't want our part two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 2: to be like Barack Obama just writing memoirs about myself.
Speaker 2: But I do. It has been a journey and it
Speaker 2: has been one of the most remarkable times in my life.
Speaker 2: I mean, I started at the Daily Wire. It was
Speaker 2: me and Ben Shapiro and Jeremy and Jeremy's poolhouse on
Speaker 2: a card table, and now it's a billion dollar company.
Speaker 2: Was actually making the change in the culture we all
Speaker 2: talked about it to be. So that's a journey. It's
Speaker 2: pretty exciting and I would like to write about that too.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to read that. So my last question
Speaker 1: is for you to end with your best tip for
Speaker 1: our listeners on how they can improve their lives. Andrew
Speaker 1: Clayvin advice.
Speaker 2: Let's hear it the best well. I can tell you
Speaker 2: that it's easy advice to give, it's hard advice to take.
Speaker 2: But if I had to sum it up, it would
Speaker 2: be living the truth. You know, everything in our culture
Speaker 2: is urging you to lie, not just urging you to lie,
Speaker 2: but silencing you if you tell the truth. If you
Speaker 2: just say, well, a man can't become a woman. I
Speaker 2: don't care how you live, but a man can't become
Speaker 2: a woman, you will be demonetized and pushed off social
Speaker 2: media and called names. If you point to you know,
Speaker 2: things that are wrong in the culture, that maybe it
Speaker 2: would be better if more black people got married before
Speaker 2: they have family, Suddenly you're a racist for saying the
Speaker 2: one thing that a friend would actually say to a friend,
Speaker 2: which is the truth that they need to hear. And
Speaker 2: it also means, and this is the hardest part, It
Speaker 2: means accepting the shame for your own behavior and for
Speaker 2: your own thoughts and for the ways in which you
Speaker 2: fail yourself and fail. This is the one thing that's
Speaker 2: true of every single person. Every single person knows he
Speaker 2: is not who he's supposed to be, every single one
Speaker 2: of us. And the way that you turn that around,
Speaker 2: and the way that you turn that around is you
Speaker 2: start to tell yourself the truth about yourself. And it
Speaker 2: costs you shame. And it's something that people, if I
Speaker 2: had to find you know, people say, ohtho, everybody's motivated
Speaker 2: by sax. Everybody's motivated by money and all these things.
Speaker 2: If I had to pick one thing, I would say,
Speaker 2: everybody's motivated for by the need to feel virtuous. And
Speaker 2: once you accept the fact that you're not virtuous, that
Speaker 2: you are a coward, that you are corrupt, that you
Speaker 2: would sheet if you were given the moment, the darkness
Speaker 2: to do it. And once you accept that about yourself,
Speaker 2: suddenly you see it's like a road, a magic road
Speaker 2: appears in front of you where you don't have to
Speaker 2: be that way anymore. And so that's the one thing
Speaker 2: I would tell people. Make the effort to tell yourself
Speaker 2: the truth, make the effort to speak the truth, pay
Speaker 2: the price, and keep going because you will get to
Speaker 2: a better place than you are right now. There's just
Speaker 2: no question about it.
Speaker 1: You should all listen to him. He is Andrew Clavin.
Speaker 1: He is fantastic. His new book is The House of
Speaker 1: Love and Death. Please pick it up and read it
Speaker 1: and tell all your friends. Thank you so much, Andrew.
Speaker 2: Thanks Carl, great to see you.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show.
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