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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: One of the topics that I want to get into

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Speaker 1: here is how bad advice can lead to problems in

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Speaker 1: your life, and sometimes the bad advice comes from our

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Speaker 1: own families. Parents aren't perfect. They're also influenced by the

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Speaker 1: wider society, and they can make mistakes in raising their children.

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Speaker 1: There was a Puse study from January. I refer to

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Speaker 1: this study a lot, just because it really blew my

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Speaker 1: mind that found parents would prefer by a lot that

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Speaker 1: their children prioritize financial independence and a good career over

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Speaker 1: family and children. Eighty eight percent of parents said it

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Speaker 1: was extremely or very important for their children to be

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Speaker 1: financially independent when they reached adulthood. I mean sure, like

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Speaker 1: who doesn't think that that's definitely a worthy goal. And

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Speaker 1: eighty eight percent also said the same of their children

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Speaker 1: having a job they enjoy. Okay, you know, I want

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Speaker 1: my kids to be financially independent. I want them to

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Speaker 1: have a job they enjoy. I'm with you. But then

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Speaker 1: only twenty one percent of parents said it was extremely

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Speaker 1: or very important for their child to get married, and

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Speaker 1: just twenty percent felt that strongly about their kids reproducing.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, just the idea that such a greater

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Speaker 1: number cared about their child's job versus having grandchildren is astonishing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that's civilization ending, and beyond that,

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Speaker 1: it's just bad advice for life. Like, if you're concerned

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Speaker 1: about your child making a good living them, getting married

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Speaker 1: goes a long way towards that, and living a stable

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Speaker 1: life in general goes a long way towards making more money.

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Speaker 1: I got into this a few episodes ago with Brad Wilcox.

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Speaker 1: But married people or simply richer I don't just mean

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Speaker 1: earning more money. They also save more money, which is

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Speaker 1: a really surprising stat since you know, married people often

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Speaker 1: have to take care of these really expensive little people

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Speaker 1: that live with them. They still end up saving more

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Speaker 1: money than single people. Putting money or career first doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: You can't have it all in that way. You can

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Speaker 1: have it most of it if you're in a stable relationship.

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Speaker 1: I mean, married people also pool their resources. You want

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Speaker 1: your kid to be financially secure, move marriage to the

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Speaker 1: top of his or her to do list. A study

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Speaker 1: I looked at found that twenty nine percent of single

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Speaker 1: adults consider themselves financially secure, whereas about half of married

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Speaker 1: couples say the same. I mean, that's a jump, you know,

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Speaker 1: but forget about the financial part of it. That's the

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Speaker 1: other thing I think like getting too wrapped up, and

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Speaker 1: I tend to do it myself. I tend to look

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Speaker 1: at these studies and say, like, it's so much better

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Speaker 1: for you financially to get married. But that's you know,

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Speaker 1: not romantic and all of that. So it's important to

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Speaker 1: look at marriage as being important for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: We hear a lot about people dying lonely deaths, deaths

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Speaker 1: of despair, and yet we're giving our kids this terrible

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Speaker 1: advice to pursue money over relationships, only to what have

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Speaker 1: them die alone at sixty? Who wants that life for

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Speaker 1: their children. What's worse is parents are specifically not passing

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Speaker 1: on their own values to their kids. It's baffling. A

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Speaker 1: pupil from a few months ago found that only about

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Speaker 1: a third of parents consider it important to pass their

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Speaker 1: religious values onto their children. Like, are you serious with this?

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Speaker 1: Someone sent me A study just came out on Friday. Actually, Communio,

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Speaker 1: a national nonprofit organization, conducted a nationwide survey of nineteen

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Speaker 1: thousand Sunday church attendees, and they did it during worship

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Speaker 1: in one hundred and twelve Evangelical, Protestant and Catholic con ggregations.

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Speaker 1: They found that only twenty two percent of church goers

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Speaker 1: in the general population. I mean, religion matters, the religious services.

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Speaker 1: Attending religious services. We know that this leads to, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you don't go. And you know, honestly, I I'm

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Speaker 1: sort of mixed on where our family is for religious services.

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Speaker 1: We don't really go to anything regularly, and I, you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like for my own kids, I have to

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Speaker 1: make that change. I'm trying. I've been trying, but I

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Speaker 1: get that it's important even if we don't do it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I understand that we need

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Speaker 1: to be motivating towards that. None of this is a coincidence.

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Speaker 1: Religion is good, marriage is good, community is good. These

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Speaker 1: to this stage where we're giving our kids such awful

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Speaker 1: life advice saying that those things don't really matter. I

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Speaker 1: really think that what happened is parents try to be

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Speaker 1: and what ends up happening is if anything goes attitude like,

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Speaker 1: need to go to religious services, you could do whatever

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Speaker 1: I mean, sure, kids will make their own choices no

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Speaker 1: matter what you say to them, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't lay down the markers in your own home.

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Speaker 1: This is what we believe, This is what we want

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Speaker 1: for you. This is what a successful life looks like.

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Speaker 1: You win nothing by pretending all choices are just as

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Speaker 1: good as all the other choices. Tell your kids the

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Speaker 1: truth and then let them go forge their own path.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next and interview with Andrew Claven. Join us

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Speaker 1: after the break and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz

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Speaker 1: Show on iHeartRadio. Our guest today is Andrew Claven. Andrew

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Speaker 1: is host of The Andrew Claven Show an author of

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Speaker 1: the new novel The House of Love and Death. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for coming on, Andrew, it's.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, Carol. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Really good to see you too. So The House of

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Speaker 1: Love and Death is the third in a trilogy. Tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit about the book and the series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a third in the series. I'm hoping it'll

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Speaker 2: go for ten books at least. Yeah. No. It's a long,

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Speaker 2: long story about a guy named Cameron Winter who has

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Speaker 2: been doing some very dirty work for the government in

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Speaker 2: his past and is now trying to recover and become

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Speaker 2: a sort of better person. He's taken a job as

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Speaker 2: a poetry professor in a Midwestern school, but he has

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Speaker 2: this what he calls a strange habit of mind where

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Speaker 2: every time he sees certain crimes that just don't make

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Speaker 2: sense to him, he's obsessively has to go out and

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Speaker 2: see if he can figure out what it is that

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Speaker 2: doesn't make sense about them. So he's a guy who's

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Speaker 2: kind of been an anti hero is trying to overcome

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Speaker 2: so the world is falling apart around him, And it's

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Speaker 2: basically exploring the idea of how can you be a

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Speaker 1: I like that. So some of your books have been

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Speaker 1: made into Hollywood movies before I know. You had True

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Speaker 1: Crime with Clint Eastwood, Don't Say a Word with Michael Douglas,

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Speaker 1: and this trilogy has been best selling. So has Hollywood

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. That is something you know. I've been a

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Speaker 2: In fact, when I sent the first book of the series,

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Speaker 2: When Christmas Comes to my very left wing film agent,

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Speaker 2: he loved it. He thought it was absolutely fantastic, and

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Speaker 2: And I kept saying, ah, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But he was never quite convinced. But he never got

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Speaker 2: anywhere with it. Eventually they'll be banned into movies, but

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Speaker 2: not for a while. Maybe I have to disappear before

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Speaker 1: So how do we turn around in industry that is

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Speaker 1: not that interested in making money? I mean, Disney continues

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Speaker 1: to lose money and they're like, they seem fine with

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Speaker 2: That's right, and people do not understand that. People always

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Speaker 2: saying Hollywood is all about the money, but it's not,

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Speaker 2: you know, And they make the money anyway. They make

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Speaker 2: it off Marvel movies, they make it off those big

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Speaker 2: tent pole pictures. But we don't turn it around. We

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Speaker 2: have to beat it. We have to make our own industry,

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Speaker 2: We have to build our own infrastructure. This is one

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Speaker 2: of the most important parts that conservatives don't understand. It's

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Speaker 2: not enough to make movies because you can make movies

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Speaker 2: off a credit card. Now they're absolutely beautiful looking. You

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Speaker 2: need distribution entities, and you need review entities. You need

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Speaker 2: to give awards to artists. I mean, artists live for love,

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Speaker 2: you know. And Yeah, when you want to know why

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Speaker 2: get all the things that they went into acting for, right,

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Speaker 2: and so they and the money will come. But we

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Speaker 2: don't have any of those things. So when I bring

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Speaker 2: before I became outspoken. I used to become get hundreds

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Speaker 2: which is amazing because because we're developing our own media,

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Speaker 2: but it's still very difficult, and we just haven't committed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think Daily Wire is obviously leading

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Speaker 1: a movie studio would only be step one, but what

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Speaker 1: really just we have to just build a parallel society

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Speaker 1: and kind of leave the left out of it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because we'll destroy them. Every thing they do is garbage.

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Speaker 2: Everything they touched turns to crap. Their stories are lies.

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Speaker 2: They're lecturing us. Everybody has to Nobody can be in

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Speaker 2: less whether people in mixed marriage I just don't want

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Speaker 2: to be lectured by the worst people in the country.

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Speaker 2: It's like fruit lying on the ground. It's not low

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Speaker 2: hanging fruit, it's fruit lying on the ground. They don't

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Speaker 2: make you know, A long time ago I made a

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Speaker 2: middle he should be given to the Jews. And when

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Speaker 2: an obvious joke. Someone must have made it. No, No,

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Speaker 2: field is open. We could devour them if people would

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Speaker 2: just start spending the money and the attention to do it.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, changing the culture is kind of a

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Speaker 1: my question is how do we do it without? You know,

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Speaker 1: I guess we can't not restart everything. How do we

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Speaker 2: Well, see, the thing is, conservatives by nature are kind

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Speaker 2: of backward looking, and you need to be forward looking

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Speaker 2: because the arts, the arts will only be saved by

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Speaker 2: people who love them. They won't be saved by people

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Speaker 2: who want to bludgeon other people into agreeing with you.

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Speaker 2: The arts are naturally countercultural, so we're actually in a

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Speaker 2: Things that are coming out that are going to be

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Speaker 1: What would you say is our largest cultural or sital

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Speaker 2: You only have to turn around and you know your

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Speaker 1: Do you think you have a nonfiction book on all

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Speaker 2: You know? I have. I've been writing nonfiction books too,

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Speaker 2: which has been a really exciting part of this part

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Speaker 2: in the arts and what that looks like. And yes,

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Speaker 2: I think this is something. You know. I wrote a

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Speaker 1: That I could, you know, I don't want our part two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't want to. I don't want

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Speaker 2: But I do. It has been a journey and it

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Speaker 2: has been one of the most remarkable times in my life.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I started at the Daily Wire. It was

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Speaker 2: Was actually making the change in the culture we all

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to read that. So my last question

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Speaker 1: is for you to end with your best tip for

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Speaker 1: our listeners on how they can improve their lives. Andrew

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Speaker 1: Clayvin advice.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear it the best well. I can tell you

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Speaker 2: that it's easy advice to give, it's hard advice to take.

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Speaker 2: But if I had to sum it up, it would

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Speaker 2: be living the truth. You know, everything in our culture

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Speaker 2: is urging you to lie, not just urging you to lie,

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Speaker 2: but silencing you if you tell the truth. If you

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Speaker 2: just say, well, a man can't become a woman. I

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Speaker 2: don't care how you live, but a man can't become

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Speaker 2: a woman, you will be demonetized and pushed off social

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Speaker 2: media and called names. If you point to you know,

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Speaker 2: things that are wrong in the culture, that maybe it

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Speaker 2: would be better if more black people got married before

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Speaker 2: they have family, Suddenly you're a racist for saying the

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Speaker 2: one thing that a friend would actually say to a friend,

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Speaker 2: which is the truth that they need to hear. And

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Speaker 2: it also means, and this is the hardest part, It

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Speaker 2: means accepting the shame for your own behavior and for

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Speaker 2: your own thoughts and for the ways in which you

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Speaker 2: fail yourself and fail. This is the one thing that's

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Speaker 2: true of every single person. Every single person knows he

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Speaker 2: is not who he's supposed to be, every single one

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Speaker 2: of us. And the way that you turn that around,

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Speaker 2: and the way that you turn that around is you

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Speaker 2: start to tell yourself the truth about yourself. And it

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Speaker 2: costs you shame. And it's something that people, if I

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Speaker 2: had to find you know, people say, ohtho, everybody's motivated

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Speaker 2: by sax. Everybody's motivated by money and all these things.

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Speaker 2: If I had to pick one thing, I would say,

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Speaker 2: everybody's motivated for by the need to feel virtuous. And

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Speaker 2: once you accept the fact that you're not virtuous, that

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Speaker 2: you are a coward, that you are corrupt, that you

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Speaker 2: would sheet if you were given the moment, the darkness

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Speaker 2: to do it. And once you accept that about yourself,

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Speaker 2: suddenly you see it's like a road, a magic road

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Speaker 2: appears in front of you where you don't have to

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Speaker 2: be that way anymore. And so that's the one thing

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Speaker 2: I would tell people. Make the effort to tell yourself

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Speaker 2: the truth, make the effort to speak the truth, pay

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Speaker 2: the price, and keep going because you will get to

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Speaker 2: a better place than you are right now. There's just

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Speaker 2: no question about it.

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Speaker 1: You should all listen to him. He is Andrew Clavin.

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Speaker 1: He is fantastic. His new book is The House of

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Speaker 1: Love and Death. Please pick it up and read it

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Speaker 1: and tell all your friends. Thank you so much, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Carl, great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show.

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