1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, You're going to get 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: to meet one of the most amazing people I've ever 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: worked with, somebody I was a colleague with at the 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: American Enterprise Institute, and somebody for whom I have the 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: highest respect. My guest fled a traditional Muslim upbringing in Somalia. 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety two, at the age of twenty three, 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: she went to the Netherlands to escape a forced marriage. 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: From there, her life changed. She became elected as a 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: member of the Dutch Parliament and an outspoken advocate for 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: women's rights. Today, she is a research fellow at the 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: Hoover Institute, host of The Eye on her Sia Ali podcast, 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: and author of the new book Pray, Immigration, Islam and 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: the Erosion of Women's Rights, a follow up to her 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven New York Times bestseller Infidel. She 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: also recently authored an article and on heard entitled Europe's 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: Guilty Conscience. EU leaders willfully misunderstand the problems of Muslim inmigration, 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: which caught my attention and Hersili. Welcome and thank you 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: for joining me nude. Thank you very much for having me. 19 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: I thank you again for your kind words. It was 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: an honor to meet you and a privilege to be 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: your friend and colleague. You've done a lot of great things. 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: Our audience, they're going to be fascinated by your life's journey. 23 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: Would you mind sort of starting at the beginning, When 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: did you begin to realize that you wanted to do 25 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: something beyond the traditional and that you were prepared to 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: take the risks of actually leaving your home country. Well, 27 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: I left my home country where I was born with 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: my mother and siblings, and I was too young to 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: have made that decision myself. I was born in Somalia, 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: and my family moved to Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, and Kenya. 31 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: But when I was twenty two years old in nineteen 32 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: ninety two, my father decided that he was going to choose, 33 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: as is traditional in some Al culture, he was going 34 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: to choose my husband for me. And at the time 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: I was twenty two years old, I didn't like the 36 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: man that he chose for me, and instead of going 37 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: to Canada to join him and be his wife, I 38 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: fled to the Netherlands and asked for asylum. And I 39 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: never looked back. I mean, had you met this guy 40 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: or did you just reject the whole principle. I met him, 41 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: and as again required, I asked him about his interests 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: and what he thought of a future together, and he 43 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: made it very clear to me that I was to 44 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: be submissive to him and produced at least six boys 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: for him. And that turned me off beyond the fact 46 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: that I thought he wasn't intellectually curious, didn't read, and 47 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: I just imagined repeating my mother's life, and my mother 48 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: was a victim of her circumstances, and I thought, that's 49 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: exactly what I don't want, and that drove me away 50 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: from him and gave me as you know, people say 51 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: the carriage, but I'll tell you it's more of a 52 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: terror of having to lead a life where you have 53 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: absolutely no control over your own circumstances or destiny. So 54 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: how did your mother reacted? Was she sympathetic or was 55 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: this all a big shock? It was a big shock, 56 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: because obviously that was behavior beyond the bounds of what's allowed, 57 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: and she was very much saddened by that, angry, confused, resentful. 58 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: But I still talk to her today and I think 59 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: part of her may just have come to accept that 60 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: in hindsight, it wasn't such a bad decision. I don't know. 61 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: I just hope that that's what she thinks. When you 62 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: went to the Netherlands, you initially worked as a translator 63 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: for Somali immigrants. What did you learn while being a translator? 64 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: I learned a great deal. I think, probably of all 65 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: the life lessons, that was a very very important period 66 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: for me. First of all, I learned the difference in 67 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: the two different cultures. Translating for the Somali community meant 68 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: that I didn't only have to interpret their words into Dutch. 69 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: I also had to translate the culture, their background, the 70 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: things that were holding them back, and then do the 71 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: same thing from Dutch into Somali. So things that Dutch 72 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: take for granted, such as individual freedom, individual responsibility, the 73 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: whole notion of being equal before the law as men 74 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: and women, the concept of tolerance. I learned all of 75 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: these things actively as a translator interpreter. I remember one 76 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: incident this might make you laugh, but I was translating 77 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: for a mother and her six or seven year old 78 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: child was beating up out the childre and the mother 79 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: was called to school and she was colded for her 80 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: son's behavior, and she said, but I actually encouraged him 81 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: to beat the children up because he was called names 82 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: and that made seem something small. But I remember as 83 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: a child growing up in Somali and these other countries, 84 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: we were taught by the people who took care of 85 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: us to defend ourselves with violence. And you come to 86 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: countries and cultures that pretty much have banished violence out 87 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: of their lives. And these were for me not just 88 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: learning something new about new culture, but getting the opportunity 89 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: to compare these cultures and then make a decision and 90 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: reach the conclusion that in fact, the Dutch way of 91 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: life was superior to my Somali Islamic culture. And I 92 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: think that again not only shocked me, but it also 93 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: shocked and offended a lot of people who share a 94 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: background with me. You went through the sort of journey 95 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 1: of self awareness and ended up working with the writer 96 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: and director Theo van go on a short film called Submission, 97 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: which criticized the treatment of women in Islamic society that 98 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: aroused sufficient hostility that Van Gold was murdered. Who was he? 99 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: Because most Americans won't know the story and why did 100 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: this short film getting killed? So? Theo Fang was one 101 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: of the smartest, funniest and bravest people I had met 102 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: in the Netherlands. He was Vincent Fango, the famous painter 103 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: was his great uncle. He was a man of the 104 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: left and a man of the establishment, a filmmaker and 105 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: artist and author. He had some newspaper columns and he 106 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: took great pride in offending people. It was just his 107 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 1: way of testing the boundaries of what was acceptable in Holland. 108 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: And he had this reputation that he had offended pretty 109 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: much everyone. And then along came the Islamists. And when 110 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: he started to mark Islam just the way he would 111 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: mark Judaism and Christianity and other cultures and religions, he 112 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: was told by the people who cheered him on to 113 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: stop it. This time he was beating up on vulnerable people, 114 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: that he was wrong to engage in what he had 115 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: always engaged in. He defended himself by talking about the 116 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: freedom of speech. And when he approached me, I was 117 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: a member of parliament, and he said, well, you talk 118 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: all these things about women's rights, what can I do 119 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: to help? And at that point I had been looking 120 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: at using art basically as a form of expressing what 121 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: was done to women and what was supposed to be 122 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: done to women and was prescribed in the Quran. And 123 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: I had this idea that I was going to write 124 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: this on dolls, and he said, no, we can get 125 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: actresses and I can produce it. And so that is 126 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: how our collaboration came about. And Mohammed Buyeri, the man 127 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: who killed him, was a young man. I don't think 128 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: he was born in the Netherlands. I think he was 129 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: raised in the Netherlands, but radicalized in the Netherlands. And 130 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: he plotted to kill Theophank and did that, stabbed him 131 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: and tried to behead him and then left a long 132 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: rambling fatua on his body. For me, it's just a 133 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: terrible experience and a terrible loss for Theo's family, Theo's 134 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: son and the Netherlands. Frankly, it's tragic. I sort of 135 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: skipped over a remarkable achievement in your part. How do 136 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: you go from being a Somali Emma Gray to having 137 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: a Parliament seat? Well, this is I always have to 138 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: tell the story of ninety eleven, two thousand and one. 139 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: I was working for a think tank, social democratic think 140 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: tank in the Netherlands and that event was I would 141 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: say probably the most striking event in my lifetime. And 142 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: everybody was trying to explain what happened. And I took 143 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: the position within the think tank that the men who 144 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: committed the atrocities in New York and Washington were motivated 145 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: by their faith. That sort of puts me in the 146 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: category of infamy for many people. But my boss asked me, 147 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: did you please stop, you know, commenting on nine eleven 148 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: and help us understand how you assimilated into Dutch society 149 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: within just ten years. And I explained that I had 150 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: no constraints, and that if you emancipated Muslim women living 151 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: in the Netherlands, you could achieve integration at a faster 152 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: pace than what we were seeing. And that then prompted 153 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, which this is classical liberal, that's the 154 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: free market party in the Netherlands, to invite me to 155 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: come and run for office. And I did that, and 156 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: I thought that by articulating these problems we could get 157 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: to a place where policies of assimilation this is the 158 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: word we use in the US, would be fast tracked. 159 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: I was wrong. That's not exactly what happened. So now 160 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: you're in the Parliament and you've worked on this film, 161 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: and at that point you began receiving death threats and 162 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: they were very real and apparently you had to actually 163 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: move to secret locations just to survive. That's right. The 164 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: death threats against me by the Islamists started with my 165 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: public comments on nine eleven, two thousand and one and 166 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: beyond and the treatment of women within Islam. And the 167 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: reason why I'm alive is because I had accepted the 168 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: protection that was provided to me by the Dutch government, 169 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: and unfortunately theo Fanga had rejected that police protection. I 170 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: had in those years lived from safe house to safe 171 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: house and at times even was flown to the United 172 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: States in a military plane to hide as an active 173 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: member of parliament. That was a very strange time, and 174 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: they just get tired of protecting you because you end 175 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: up resigning from parliament. No. I resigned from parliament because 176 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: the Minister of Immigration and Integration took away my citizenship 177 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: and if you're not a citizen, you can't be a 178 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: member of parliament. So that's when I moved in two 179 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: thousand and six to United States and came to work 180 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: for the American Enterprise Institute. It didn't the Dutch government 181 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: actually come back and say that you were a citizen. Yes, 182 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: and the government fell and the minister had to resign. 183 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: There was a lot of drama about that, and she 184 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: had seized on the fact that when I came to 185 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: the Netherlands, I hadn't told the government about my story 186 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: of fleeing a first marriage, because it was made very 187 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: clear to me that you don't get asylum on those grounds, 188 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: and so I had tailored my story toward the rules 189 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: that help you get asylum. So she said that I 190 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: had led, and it's true I had led in nineteen 191 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: ninety two, but in two thousand and two, when I 192 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: was approached by this political party leadership, I did tell 193 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: them the truth about lying. But I think for her 194 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: it was politically expedient to take my citizenship away and 195 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: then created this huge media drama. There's a lot more 196 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: extremism in the Netherlands, or Belgium or a variety of places, 197 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: and people have any notion of Europe, and that sense 198 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: seems to be almost incapable of coming to grips with 199 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: the level of threat that is gradually infiltrating the society. 200 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: And the reason is because left wing parties and politicians 201 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: and commentators they have built fences of to do around 202 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: the issues of immigrant of Islam, the failure to assimilate 203 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: immigrants from Muslim societies, and because of these taboos, the 204 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: problems are now entrenched. And I don't see how France 205 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: or Germany, or Sweden or even the UK are going 206 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: to deal with these parallel societies that they've created, communities 207 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: that actively reject the values and the norms and the 208 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: laws of the host society they live in. So what's happening? 209 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: And you see this in France and some pretty horrifying ways, 210 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: with the teacher being beheaded for having said the wrong 211 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: things as measured by the more extreme Islamists. Are you 212 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: seeing not just Muslim women but also women in general, 213 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: and these European cities beginning to be more cautious about 214 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: exercising their rights and about appearing to be different. Absolutely. 215 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: That's the subject of my latest book, Pray, Immigration, Islam 216 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: and the Erosion of the Rights of Women. The book 217 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: is summarized in that subtitle it's now not only Muslim 218 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: women who have to fear Muslim men. It is just 219 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: women in general and in particular European women who fought 220 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: for their emancipation and took their freedoms and the sense 221 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: of equality to men, and especially their safety in a 222 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: public space. They took all of that for granted, and 223 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: now they have to find themselves making the same mental 224 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: calculations that most women outside of the West do, which is, 225 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: if I venture outdoors, I might get into trouble, So 226 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, considerations such as covering yourself, taking a different root. 227 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: Women exercise in public, they jog in the park. European women, 228 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: some of them are thinking, well, that might not be 229 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: safe anymore. And all of these changes are happening because 230 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: of that sudden influx and huge influx of immigrants from 231 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: coaches where women are not perspective, and the leadership continues 232 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: to place a taboo on these issues. There are some exceptions. 233 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: I found an exception in Denmark. I found exceptions in Austria. 234 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: I see that the conversation in the United Kingdom is 235 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: becoming more and more open. But again, you will find 236 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: neighborhoods in parts of Europe where you will not see 237 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: a single woman. And that is astonishing, and it's happened 238 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: in a very short period of time. And that's because 239 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: they are commerced into staying indoors well, because when they 240 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: go out of doors, they're assaulted, they're harassed, they're grouped, 241 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: they're objectified, and those institutions that are supposed to enforce 242 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: the law are doing very little about it. So these 243 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: women are left to themselves and they're making personal decisions 244 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: not to venture out or to move to safer neighborhoods. 245 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: And the more they move, you know, the more these 246 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: neighborhoods become. The proportion of the population in a given 247 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: neighborhood with a large Muslim immigrant community that is willing 248 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: to live there and take those threats and risks is 249 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: very minimal. So they have a phenomenon of what is 250 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: called in the Netherlands, we call it white flight. You know, 251 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: you go to your city council, you go to your 252 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: local politicians, you try to make changes, you fail, and 253 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: then you just make the decision to vote with your 254 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: feet and move to a different neighborhood. And so you 255 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: have neighborhoods now that are becoming almost entirely Muslim and 256 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: informally surreal lay is enforced. And your book that in Denmark, 257 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: an immigrant population of around six percent is in fact 258 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: providing thirty four percent of the convictions for rape. The 259 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: threats genuinely real is not necessarily somebody setting out to 260 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: offend you, but you're a risk by definition just by 261 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: being in public. That's true. And again that statistic is 262 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: only the tip of the iceberg because some of these 263 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: research data that I find was very hard to come by, 264 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: again because of the whole taboo, these topics have been 265 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: made so controversial it's very difficult to come by exact numbers. 266 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, that number is telling. And if you live 267 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: in a neighborhood where as a woman, you know the 268 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: risk of being raped or subjected to some kind of 269 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: sexual violence is real, and you know who the potential 270 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: perpetrators are, and your local politicians, the prosecutors, law enforcement, 271 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: they're doing very little about it or nothing. Then you know, 272 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: you make your own personal decision. We talk about this erosion, 273 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: that's what you see in these neighborhoods, that women are 274 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: self erasing. They're just not going there anymore except those 275 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: who can't afford to leave. And this again, this then 276 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: takes us to it's not just an issue of immigration 277 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: and the failure to integrate immigrants, but it's also a 278 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: class issue. So people with law incomes who can't afford 279 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: to get away from the unintended consequences of immigration. They're 280 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: the ones who are left to bear the baden of 281 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: the irresponsible decisions in my view of their political leadership. 282 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 1: HOWI has it been so hard for politicians and the 283 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: news media to acknowledge that the surge of migrant sex 284 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: crimes exists. They just keep on playing this misunderstanding game. 285 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: They insist unskilled labor is great for advanced economies. There's 286 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: this display of compassion. I think of it as a 287 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: fake compassion. I don't really think they care about immigrants 288 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: that much. I think it's the ideological fulfillment along with 289 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: the potential of winning elections by making immigrants citizens very quickly. 290 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: There's a cynical sense that those immigrants then vote left. 291 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: And then are these people who tell the stories and 292 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: usually they are the same people the stories of the 293 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: past misdeeds of European countries, either because of their colonial 294 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: history or because of the terrible events of the Second 295 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: World War, in particular the Holocaust. And so these are 296 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: the reasons that people throw out this postmodernist attitude, what 297 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: we now call woke in America, that is very much 298 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: applied to immigrants in European countries where trying to assimilate 299 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: them into the value system is rejected as being colonial, 300 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: ethmosphere entric, eurocentric, and xenophobic. And the people who are 301 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: pushing these ideas are not the ones who affected negatively 302 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: by immigration in the ivory towers when they're in academia 303 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: or they're you know, the politicians who are protected, and 304 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: so they don't seem to understand what it clearly means 305 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: when your neighborhood changes for the worst, then you can 306 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: do about it. I've been very struck by a parallel 307 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: phenomena here that if you're wealthy enough, you can talk 308 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: about defunding the police because you live in an enclave 309 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: very often with development with police. But the people who 310 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: really get crushed by those policies are the very poor 311 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: who are trapped in the violent neighborhoods. And I think 312 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: in that sense, a serious class analysis of who's being hurt, 313 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: particularly among women, by the rise of an Islamist extremism, 314 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: would be very sobering for people who claim they care 315 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: about the poor and newt I want to add to that, 316 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: they don't even necessarily have to be Islamic extremists, just 317 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: simply by coming from places where women are just not 318 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: respected and having these large numbers of people and then 319 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: dumping them in the neighborhoods that are already facing social 320 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: economic challenges. I think that class analysis that you just 321 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: spoke about it has to be done in general for 322 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: immigration and then maybe in particular how radical Islamists affect 323 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: the poor. But it's a story of class. Correct me 324 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, because I think I've heard you talk 325 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: about this before. It is the norm in much of 326 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: Islam to have women oppressed. It's not universally true, but 327 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: your point that it's not Islamic extremists who engage in 328 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: a great deal of activity, it's just people who are 329 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: following within the cultural framework that they see as normal. Absolutely. 330 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean it probably was a subject of debate twenty 331 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: years ago when people could claim that they were barely 332 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: acquainted with Islam, But now anybody who wants to do 333 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: any real research can see for themselves. For Islamic terrorism, 334 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: you could explain that as a radical or a radicalized 335 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: version or strained within Islam. But the treatment of women 336 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: is a commonplace. Now. That's not to say that every 337 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: single Muslim man is a misogynist, but in general, misogyny 338 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: is accepted and encouraged in Islam and at least in 339 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: Great Britain. There have been a whole series of stories 340 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: about the degree to which various gangs, sometimes Pakistani, room 341 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: young women of all backgrounds, not just Muslim and basically 342 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: moved them into the sex trade and in the human trafficking, 343 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: and that it occurs on sort of a stunning scale 344 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: and the police almost well only avoid noticing it. Yes, 345 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: in the UK they did that for a long time. 346 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: And these Pakistani gangs who are actually targeting white law class, 347 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: that's people with very low incomes. So they were targeting 348 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: white girls, many of them around the ages of twelve, thirteen, fourteen, 349 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: and then trafficking them. And this problem was in my view, 350 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: probably one of the biggest failures of subsequent British governments 351 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: on the local level and on the national level, where 352 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: these children were betrayed to no end because of political correctness. Yeah, 353 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: it's really interesting. My wife close to when she was 354 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: the ambassador to the Vatican got deeply involved both in 355 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: human trafficking, which has a huge surge coming out of 356 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: Africa into Italy but is also a worldwide problem, including 357 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: right here in their own states. And she also got 358 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: involved in the whole question of religious liberty, and the 359 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: way they interact the world is substantially more dangerous than 360 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: most of us in America understand, and danger at a 361 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: personal element. Eleven year old girls who suddenly disappear and 362 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: who have been sold into what is an effect slavery? 363 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: And I have to ask you. You talk about the 364 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: misunderstanding game that you play with your son, and that 365 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: this game relates to the issue of immigration. What is 366 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: the misunderstanding game? I have a nine year old son 367 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: who's very right, and he tries to get screen time 368 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: out of me when I don't want to give it 369 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: to him. And when he's asking for permission, he says, 370 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: can I play among us? It's one of the games 371 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: he likes to play. And I pretend that I don't 372 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: understand that, and I say, but you are among us? 373 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: What do you mean? And that game with my son 374 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: is it's fun. It gets him away from the screen 375 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: and it gives us time for banter. But the misunderstanding 376 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: game that European leaders and in particular those on the left, 377 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: play with their populations is not fun. When the European 378 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: populations say, please, let's reconsider this whole open borders thing 379 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: and out of control immigration and bringing unskilled people into Europe, 380 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: and then all the unintended consequences, negative consequences for women, 381 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: for gays, for Jews. These political leaders they throw out 382 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: reasons of compassion. They say they're great for the economy, 383 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: and you know all these things that we talked about. 384 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: They say, but immigrants, they're just human beings. We all 385 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: wanted the same thing. And that's what I described as 386 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: I misunderstanding game, this side stepping of the issue year 387 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: after year, decade after decade, as the problems get bigger 388 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: and more entrenched, and as in many countries such as France, 389 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: they're now going through a crisis in social cohesion. I 390 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: don't think Britain is that far behind or Germany is 391 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: that far behind. And interestingly news all of these leaders, 392 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: when they're doing their sidestepping and playing their misunderstanding game, 393 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: they say, we can't talk about these issues because we're 394 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: going to empower the far right. Now, what do you 395 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: see that in twenty twenty one, Because they ignored or 396 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: failed to address the issues of borders, of immigration, of integration. 397 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: The only movements and parties that are addressing these issues 398 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: and gaining the confidence of the voters are the far 399 00:26:53,840 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: right in Europe. So it's totally counterproductive, and in part 400 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: because the far right has broken through the moral quandary 401 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: of wringing your hands and being unable to articulate what's 402 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: going on because it would be so quote politically incorrect. 403 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: And once you cross that watershed and you start talking 404 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: about it, you become more militant because you're now looking 405 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: at a new and a different world than the one 406 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,719 Speaker 1: that the elites are allowed to think about. Absolutely. I 407 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: mean again, look at France. Some of the policies that 408 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: are being discussed now in the French Senate were unthinkable 409 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: five or ten years ago. And because of the rise 410 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: of Front Nationale, which again in the polls are doing 411 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: very well, I think that's what's pushed the French government 412 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: into considering these far reaching constraints on liberty. Remember when 413 00:27:52,920 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: they ignored attack after attack, the connection between terrorism and 414 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: the ideology that the terrorists use, and for a long 415 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: time they didn't want to do anything about the ideology. 416 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: But then they got these crazy attacks. The theater in Paris, 417 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: bet a clone, the guy who took a truck in 418 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: these and mode of over seventy people. It's after those 419 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: attacks that they started to put France in what they 420 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: call national emergency. That is, from one day to the next, 421 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: the national government saying that they're going to constrain the 422 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: liberty of every Frenchman. And this is how counterproductive it is, 423 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: and if it weren't so tragic, it would be comical. 424 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: Is for a long time they refused to do nothing 425 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: because they didn't want to constrain the liberties of the 426 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: individuals who are plotting these mass attacks. Now everybody's liberty 427 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: is constrained without any question. Maybe I'm too old fashioned, 428 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: but it does strike me that when you have teacher's 429 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: head cut off, that that's sort of a signal that 430 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: something has gone profoundly wrong. Yeah, but now they're at 431 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: a place where they have so many people within the 432 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: radicalized community who are very much prepared to cut off 433 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: the heads of teachers, and more than teachers. The thing 434 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm also seeing here in the United States is that 435 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: we're creating a radicalized community that isn't necessarily immigrants, but 436 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: it's people who think it's okay to shoot a policeman, 437 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: to wage war on the police, to go out and 438 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: arrogantly stand there in public destroying a police car, to 439 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 1: close down a building, or to threaten the life of somebody. 440 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: I mean, in a sense, we have our own domestic 441 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: radicalization underway that is very parallel to the radicalization being 442 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: produced in Europe from immigrant populations. I think maybe the 443 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: one in the US is in some ways worse because 444 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: it's affected academic institutions. It's now gone down all the 445 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: way to K to twelve, It's spread to the corporations, 446 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: it's spread into the administrative state. This notion of criminalizing 447 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: and demonizing the rule of law and the institutions that 448 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: uphold the rule of law. I think in many ways 449 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: this is actually worst in America. I think that's right. 450 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: And mcrown, the president of France, said this recently that 451 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: American radical ideas, many of which started in Paris, are 452 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: now so dangerous that they have to actively be militant 453 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: against the American wokeism if you will. Yeah, but it's amazing. Well, listen, 454 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: I want to just say, personally, having known you, I 455 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: think since you first came to the US at the 456 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: American Enterprise in State, I am really honored that you 457 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: would do this podcast. 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